Explanation / Rant about AMD X870 and X870E Motherboards

[@UzairW]

I'd pay good money to NOT having idiotic AI branding on my PC parts, thank you very much!!

[@tourist6290]

AI and GAMING are the worst. And these huge letters such as ROG or TUF can leave too.

[@high-captain-BaLrog]

it has become the new RGB gawdy marketing catch-all term!

[@Jzwiz]

@@tourist6290its how they separate their tiers, thatll never vanish. Every company does it. Like x and x3d on amd or k etc on intel, cars, houses, sizing formats etc all have a name that makes them different

[@stephenjones8928]

My sister wants to marry you. I want to be the best man.

[@ChrisZukowski88]

"AI" in the AI motherboards means autism infused.

[@Enju23]

Remember when motherboards used to only cost like $200 usd for the best of the best? Pepperidge farm remembers

[@xBINARYGODx]

since you specified "best of the best", then you are reaching so far back, you might as well not bother.

[@Rushil69420]

I was literally just at Micro Center and saw X870 boards [starting] at $229. It still had 5Gbe, 2x USB4 ports, Gen 5 PCIE, and WiFi built in. It’s really not bad given that the “worst” X870 is still on the higher end of things.

[@boogy-f8j]

Back when you paired it with a single core cpu without HT and not even usb 2.0. It cost less then for a reason.

[@HardCold-Alquan]

I don't...

[@Chuyuck]

I got an evga z97 classified for $400. I still use it and works great

[@phantomtec]

11:20 CORRECTION: Internal HDMI port, usually used nowadays for people who would like to utilise an internal panel in their case peeps, Overclockers don't give a stiff pertaining to this. Its internal so as to bypass routing a cable out back into the motherboard or GPU. Thanks Paul and Peace!❤❤☮☮

[@CGInferno]

Thanks for this. Was debating on getting an X870 or X670 and i saw the price difference which made the X670 a no brainer. Saved over £200

[@satokotsu]

im waiting for the day they make 10gb a standard for consumer boards without using another add in card

[@ericshutter5305]

yeah ... me also ... anything less is just LAZY

[@paulshardware]

True, I feel like they've dialed back on the 10Gb offerings in motherboards since 2.5Gb and 5Gb became a thing though

[@satokotsu]

@@paulshardware asus still has their x670e proart with built in 10gb, and add in cards can fit on the bottom pcie 4x slot. msi has 10gb but they would charge $800

[@JP-iq7pu]

Why?

[@W0ND3RB0Y1]

Why even use 5 Gbit when 10 Gbit is so well established in the industry?? Most common NICs like the Intel X540 only support 1 or 10 Gbit, but are super available for consumers.. So by having 2.5 or 5 Gbit, you might run into stability issues on the network. Which is why i upgraded to the X550 on my NAS, but 5 Gbit devices are rare and doesn't make sense! Just give us 10 Gbit LAN and make it the norm instead.. Or ditch the 40 Gbit USB-C ports which I'll NEVER use anyway..

[@Jzwiz]

If you want an overbuilt board, the last gen asrock x670e taichi is plenty and already had usb 4. Only appeal of the new ones for me is stuff like quick release and moving around some buttons/leds

[@KiltedCritic]

Though worth mentioning that's an E-ATX sized board.

[@Jzwiz]

@@KiltedCritic almost forgot since it really doesnt feel that big compared to say a godlike or whatever asus version is since e-atx isnt a real standard

[@Meton2526]

The one meaningful reason I can think of to not use that x670e taichi is that it only has 1 M.2 slot with gen 5 NVMe. Some other manufacturers allow for up to 3 slots, although they require you to downgrade your GPU slot to only 8x lanes, and the second x16 physical slot is usually routed through the chipset instead of CPU.

[@bagerklestyne]

Or the B650E variant. I've been told that thee usb4 chip only provides up to 32 gigabit though, not the full 40.

[@Quast]

The board that is still selling for 480€ gee, just say....

[@JeremyArchie]

I'm happy with B650E performance as it is. HUB already stated that the gaming performance of X870 is virtually identical to X670 (and most likely B650 as well).

[@SpicyEvo]

Wish I could be if they every produce 7800x3d again

[@kerotomas1]

Well X670(E) and X870(E) are the exact same chip so it's obviously identical in performance. And i don't even know where people are still getting this nonsense that somehow chipset affects performance to begin with. Ever since the memory controller got moved to the CPU the only thing that motherboards can affect is signal strength through the quality of the PCB (but this is entirely separate thing from the chipset and only depends on the manufacturer and it's market segmentiation) and what the PCIe/M2 layout is.

[@ae86409888]

​@@kerotomas1 i got almost 20usb device and hubs are not reliable... So i have to go for x870(e) 🥺

[@kerotomas1]

@@ae86409888 well bro GG 😂 20 that’s insane

[@ajtay9534]

Your first +2 minutes was so spot on.. this, coincidentally was when I started my build and thought the exact same thing. Still trying to complete this build in finding just msrp pricing.

[@mikek5631]

I can appreciate wanting to save as much as possible. But there are also a lot of quality of life improvements with spending just a bit more cash on a motherboard. Take the MSI Tomahawk x870 for example. On that board you get screwless heatsinks, GPU lock, Error code reader.. etc. Plus, gen 2 boards almost always iron out the bugs from gen 1 boards. I would never pay retail, and anyone who currently uses a b650 or x670 board has little reason to upgrade. But for new system builders looking to finally get on AM5 I think these new X870 and the inevitable b850 boards will be the better buys. Especially when they inevitably fall in prices.

[@DankHobbs]

You need to shame these manufacturers for not including debug leds, etc in these expensive ass motherboards.

[@karlstenator]

I absolutely can't wait to get it on with my Aorus AI snatch. Nothing sells computers like digital fanny named features.

[@FredTheLard]

I wonder how they tier their branding? Which is faster, the clunge, the chuff, the axe wound, or the foo foo

[@MrJohannson]

@@FredTheLard The Minge-Tier

[@Omega_Mark]

Are you sure you want your PC to smell like fish?

[@ffwast]

Fake words are my favorite bri'ish prank. "We totally say 'fanny' in real life like it's the actual word" haha,good one

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

AI snatch is tight, to steal Ryan's catchphrase.

[@RighteousBruce]

thanks paul nice to see a non news video from you and more of you int he week we do notice and appreciate :)

[@dj4aces]

X870/X870E is too bloody expensive for what you get versus the X670E counterparts.

[@adamtajhassam9188]

im still wondering if its really worth it - it was as expected small upgrades. the biggest uplift is usb 4.

[@BTD3Fan]

or x370 for that matter

[@michaelwestmoore7129]

@@BTD3Fanstill rocking mine 👌

[@dolpoof2335]

​@@adamtajhassam9188 I think the only thing noteworthy abt these boards is the wifi-7 support but I heard they still run at wifi 6e speeds, so then the extendable antenna maybe.

[@Quast]

No X870 is not can only speak for my pricing region but if I'd want a 670E I'd still have to pay a minimum of 345€ for the cheapest board 670E (and in part 650E) are still bloody expensive

[@nleippe]

That MSI Tomahawk board is unique. It's the only X870(E) board available that allows M.2_2 to run at full 5.0x4 by disabling USB4 instead of making M.2_2 share bandwidth from the PCIe x16 slot lanes.

[@aspyde]

lol tomahawk is a x870 only

[@nleippe]

@@aspyde your point?

[@HeadBassVTEC]

yeah tomahawk is the only x870/x870e board that is not terrible in this regard the x670e boards are much better the video completely misses to mention that which is the biggest issue of the x870 mandatory usb4 feature....no idea why it's called explanation/rant, it's just a dumb product showcase with no added value

[@nleippe]

@@HeadBassVTEC Update: turns out the MSI MEG X870E Godlike also has the same design--you can fully disable USB4 and get full 5.0x4 speed on M2_2 without losing PCIe x16 lanes from the GPU.

[@HeadBassVTEC]

@@nleippe I can't even find the godlike for sale in any local shop but pretty sure it will be about $600 if not $700 so the msi tomahawk and godlike are the only x870e boards I would want to have (with the tomahawk the only reasonably priced I would actually buy)...the carbon wifi also has that stupid lane sharing between m2_2 and primary pcie....what a crappy am5 generation I am not really in need to upgrade to AM5 anyway, just that I was a little sad that I did not upgrade my 5600x to 5800x3d before they axed it so was looking at the current AM5 boards, but really in most games I am gpu limited even with 4080, in only few games the 5800x3d would give me more fps as I play in 3440x1440@144Hz currently the best value mobo is the ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI, it has pcie5 for gpu, for two m.2s and external bclk overclocking....if I was buying 7800x3d today that is the best board to have from all 670/870 boards in b670e almost no boards have the eclk, only aorus master and extreme and according to buildzoid it doesn't work well on GB boards and then taichi/taichi lite taichi lite is the best board for the money but I can't stand their designs, taichi boards are always the ugliest....dunno why they make the taichis that ugly, the tomahawks are usally cool looking, currently on b550 tomahawk max wifi and the only thing that sucks is lack on usb-a ports but memory support is much better than x470 crosshair hero I had even though that board was twice as expensive the 9800x3d might actually have unlocked multiplier, but that will probably only allow fixed all-core OC while the eclk allows for overclocking while keeping the nice boosting algorithm for higher since core freq

[@DigitalDemonicDavros]

The prices are out of control in Australia, the Msi Carbon wifi x870e comes in at $920aud

[@Jzwiz]

Always wild to me how much more expensive computer parts are when you don’t live in America. Its not like we manufacture them here either.

[@paulshardware]

eek that is terrible 😫

[@Cobinja]

Here in germany it's around 450 € (incl. 19% VAT) which is around $720 aud or $500 US.

[@W0ND3RB0Y1]

We don't have the MSI boards yet, but the Aorus master is 618 USD or 898 AUD.. (We pay 25% VAT in Denmark)

[@johngrammaticus5296]

It's the same price as a x570 meg ace was in 2019 here in uk at launch 420-450with 20% VAT included while expensive its not that bad

[@DJ-fw7mi]

My B450 Tomahawk handled my R7 1700 to my R7 5700x3d with bios updates since 2017 for 130$. Look at the longevity and performance increase over 7/8 years. Still strong as hell and AM4 is the GOAT.

[@carlkidd752]

I've got an ASUS Prime X670E-Pro WiFi running a 7800X3D. I "should" be good for another 5 or 6 years so whatever Intel or AMD drops in the meantime will just be a "fun to watch" video/information. Sorry PC makers and Auto Industry, but I certainly do not need a new "thing" every year, advertising to the contrary.

[@MikeDawson1]

i saw der8aur saying he was having sleep/wakeup problems with 9800X3D in a 600-series chipset even after BIOS updates, so that's why I would consider the 800-series platform since they were all validated for 9000-series before release

[@jarjarbinks3360]

I love these videos. Although, I always forget how much slower the M.2 slots go when you have a video card in the PCIE slot on top.

[@AshtonCoolman]

There will be differences in UEFI features and RAM support. The 800 series chipsets will likely all support CUDIMM DDR5 with the Ryzen 8000 and 9000 CPUs. They also supposedly made changes to improve the memory traces on 800 series boards. The chipset itself is the same, but other features may make these worth it for 9000 series CPU owners. I have a 7800X3D on a ROG Crosshair X670E Hero so I can only hope that I'll get UEFI updates that add things like CUDIMM support with newer CPUs.

[@Dracossaint]

Ok but far as dimms go. How fast before ya go past the suggested ratio for the infinity clock?

[@rangersmith4652]

Yes, you should be able to run faster RAM that you bought for more money and get almost zero performance benefit from doing so. What a great deal.

[@fredEVOIX]

as long as they keep the 2 useless dimm slots/antennas it's no use DDR5 never worked and never will work properly with 4 dimms they need to stop the lie and remove those slots that nobody can use at proper speeds buildzoid explained x times leaving empty slots was bad and oc dedicated boards only have 2 there's a reason why

[@rustler08]

@@rangersmith4652 Except, you know: we've already seen the performance benefits of faster RAM. You can get upwards of 5-10% uplifts in performance.

[@ThePawel36]

@@rangersmith4652 Not necessarily. For running Local Al faster ram may be beneficial. I hope sooner or later we will not need Vram for this purpose just fast Ram, lot or it. Still cheaper than buying 3 or 4 graphic cards.

[@dciskey]

Really appreciate your thoughts, a lot of channels are going hard with the hype without considering the value proposition at all.

[@hanswichmann5047]

Thankx Paul! Perfect timing. I have never had an issue with my MSI Unify boards so it's X670 now for me..

[@porforyticbasalt]

Snatch seems appropriate for gigglebyte, the guy that got that name through must be proud.

[@x1625]

Nice touch MSI for the Drivers on USB.

[@Thuddster]

This was an excellent overview and dive into the AM5 chipsets available. Super useful and accessible information & advice, and timely to boot (heh). Thank you Paul!

[@jimtalor7971]

New sub here. I've been building my own Pc since the days of the 486 but thru out the years tech has really jump to the point that I can't keep up so I appreciate your channel in helping us old guys keep in touch with whats going on. Since my am4 is due for an upgrade should I look at these "Ai capable" Am5 mobo preferably at the entry level, my ol lady would freak if I spent more than 300 on just a motherboard! Im not into gaming more into video/audio editing instead. Thanks.

[@thetruestar6348]

This and last gen motherboard have been too damn expensive

[@rbitrossome]

I remember my first super expensive MB and it was the Crosshair VII Hero and I thought $220 was a lot for a MB. Lol

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

I could understand last gens since it was a new chipset and also using DDR5 Ram, but this gen doesn't have the same excuse, it should realistically be cheaper than last gens launch price.

[@akmarksman]

I think the HDMI port on the Gigabyte X870E Aorus Master board is for the little mini displays people like to put in their computer case and have it display temps and speeds. EDIT: I do like the heatsink size on the Aorus Master board compared to the other 2 brands, apparently PCI 5.0 NVMe drives can get toasty.

[@albundy7718]

The extra HDMI on one the Boards can probably be used for displays inside the case or on the front of the case.

[@MadmanLink]

Gigabyte was really hoping that everyone will Snatch up their AI motherboard. How the hell does the naming "Snatch" make it without somebody laughing and saying that might not be a good idea!

[@Bob_Smith19]

Because it has a definition outside of Urban Dictionary.

[@Gimpy17]

@@Bob_Smith19 hardly, slang exists and has for some time.

[@katzicael]

you'd have to sell your snatch to afford one...

[@krjal3038]

No way I'm touching Gigabyte's AI Snatch. I have seen USB condoms though that disable the data pins and only allow power through...

[@mikfhan]

"Don't go to England!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3LKemhnhtuKrtU

[@Brenryz]

ty Paul i ordered tomahawk 9800x3d combo deal from you on newegg i havent bought from you in years only amazon. thanks again

[@afarce]

Don't know much about motherboards, but long time snatch fan. Hope that helps!

[@ishimuro]

For me Wifi 7 is a huge reason to go with the new boards. Will upgrade my Home Setup next year to wifi 7 and don't want to add a seperate Wifi card. Very informative Video! Thanks

[@Workaholic42]

For some people, USB 4 and WiFi 7 for a moderate premium may actually be not a bad deal.

[@TheSjuris]

My board has 4.0 already and I don’t own a WiFi modem with 7.0 support.

[@HamsterHearthstone]

No mention of ASRock X870E NOVA? Hands down the best value for the buck out there this generation.

[@Valthalin]

Looking for budget options in a brand new product lineup at launch? You are going to need more than a pair of glasses to find such a rare bird in the fields of online shopping. Maybe something like this could be found in a Microcenter Bundle that you have to buy in store if you are extremely lucky. Really these boards seem to be requiring forward-looking options like pcie gen 5, looking at the next gen GFX cards there obviously. Nobody wants to release a board that is not going to be able to handle a new card within a few months of launch. Much better speeds on connections, moving from 6 to 7 on wi-fi, dropping gen 2 USB in some cases, more nice to have buttons, LED readouts are all general improvements. Let the initial price frenzy subside and buy on sale, as everyone really should be doing imo. For me the out of the box RAM compatibility is a sweet addition considering the platforms problems in this regard previously. Most buyers really want those working out of the box and to not have a need to fiddle with timings or updates to the Bios to get running I feel. And really if you are in the B series market to start with, stay there and leave the X series alone. Everyone should know which side of the board (heh heh...) they are on with the extras by now.

[@peterwstacey]

@@Valthalin are these motherboards without rear USB 2.0 support still providing internal headers for it? Cases often have front panel USB 2.0, and there are some devices that don't play nice with USB3 due to shielding of the power delivery (some Elgato devices, GPS receivers etc)

[@dunastrig1889]

Thanks for the realistic realworld explanation of the new chipsets vs the existing.

[@Jay_the_Caffeinator]

Awesomesauce video Paul and Joe! Paul looks for the kind of board that I look for. The lowest/cheaper version with the newest technologies. 😊 Caffeinator out.

[@Beonid]

You mention in passing that 'recent' boards have WiFi 7 support - this is actually the other differentiator for X870(E) that you didn't mention. It's been a real hassle finding WiFi 7 cards that are reliably compatible with earlier X670(E) boards, which all have WiFi 6E; having this built in saves the hassle down the line.

[@wrap239]

Paul, love your videos! If I wasn’t into PCs I’d still watch your channel for your unique delivery and wonderful sense of humor 😂. Looking at the specs of these motherboards, the core PCIx5 and M.2 slots share bandwidth and you have to sacrifice performance (or M.2 functionality completely) if you have certain combinations of devices. Researching the Asrock 870e Tiachi, it doesn’t suffer from any of this (with a 9000 or 7000 cpu) according to the specs. I’m a flight simmer and need numerous monitors to create a virtual cockpit. Therefore I want a smaller 2nd GPU. I also want to utilize all available M.2 slots. Can you please shed some light on this aspect of the motherboards. I think it would make an informative video. Thank you and thanks for the great channel!

[@RavTokomi]

It sucks that even more new motherboards are dropping the 5.1 analog for just 2.0 + Mic. I guess they just assume everyone uses headphones?

[@BrooksBrooksBro]

These mb still have 5.1 (or even 7.1) by utilizing the case audio jacks and mb jacks. Look at any of these mb manuals for more info

[@Gofr5]

Got the B650 Aorus Elite AX motherboard for my build last year and it has been plenty good enough. I originally wanted a MB that had the USB 4, but they were all much more expensive at the time and didn't want to spend that much more for a port that, when I really thought hard about it, wasn't going to use anytime soon, if ever. I actually considered that ASRock board in addition to a couple others of theirs, but I liked the features on the Gigabyte a bit more. Planning to carry this MB all the way through to the end of AM5. I'm not missing wifi 7 or USB 4.

[@TheLastDistress]

I’m still on a 12700k with ddr4 and even watching reviews it’s super hard justifying upgrading my system yet for 2 reasons. One mainly when the hell did mobos get this expensive? Also mainly when looking into the 13,14th gen intel and ryzen 9000 cpus they all seem to have either really bad instability issues or there isn’t much of performance gain from the pervious gen 7000 series. This amd refresh seems like a panic move lol.

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

If I had a 12700k I wouldn't even start watching tech videos again until at least the end of 2025.

[@blakecasimir]

Anyone on higher end AM4 are in the same boat IMHO. Maybe get a GPU upgrade before thinking about a platform upgrade...

[@TheLastDistress]

@@blakecasimir I have a 3080ti my issue is that I video edit and sometimes I like to over complicate my editing with masking stuff soo premier Pro likes to shit itself and I can never tell if it’s the cpu or ram (32gb currently). I upgraded from a 3700x to my current cpu because having 2 different obs footage playing side by side chugs it. I can only really see the gpu going to 100% and it only using one part of it. It’s very annoying issue if you like comparing things with video footage

[@TheLastDistress]

@@DingleBerryschnapps I like staying in the loop to know if it’s worth it ya know! My pc runs fine but since editing with adobe software sometimes you can never know what upgrade may fix it or u spend $600 and it not fix the issue 😭

[@Omega_Mark]

@@TheLastDistress Premiere Pro sucks and it likes to crash, so your PC is most likely fine.

[@BridgemansBigBeautifulLife]

As usual another great video!

[@4lphz]

my x870 pro rs wifi only cost like $30 over another b650 board I wanted, not a huge price increase so idc the x870 boards will probably fall further in price as well so unless b650s fall in suit, the x870 will be the clear choice imo

[@jonathanmason6100]

thanks for talking about the smart money aspects of board picking.

[@WestVlaamskeGruffalo]

Got a B650 msi tomahawk for my future 9800X3D upgrade. I think im good. Dont need 1000 usb ports in the back.

[@mettana7448]

It would be a mistake to assume that there's no difference between any given X670E board and its re-released X870E counterpart, even if the former did already have USB4 chips. Take the case of the Asus X670E/X870E Proart boards. Superficially they look practically identical, but significant alterations have been made to PCI-E lane distribution, and either one of the boards could be superior depending on the user's requirements. The X670E board has the USB4 controllers routed to the chipset, while the X870E revision has those controllers connected to CPU lanes instead. This has positive consequences for USB4 performance and congestion on the chipset, but potential negative consequences for M.2 expandability (populating the second M.2 5.0 slot will reduce the primary PCI-E slot to 8x). It's likely that similar differences exist in other boards now that it's mandatory to have USB4 controllers on CPU lanes for X870E.

[@ferrumregit4252]

Thank you for the summary! Good to know I can probably skip X870.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

I'll be honest, I have had a hard time getting my hands on a 9800x3d without scalpers. My orders keep getting cancelled from amazon, but it looks like it's going to stick this time. This of course made me look at the chipset feature, and I'm glad I found this video. The prices for the 870/870e boards are astronomical. And seeing what they they did with the PROM21, makes me want to avoid the 870 entirely. I was going with one, but I see now the deficiency is pretty vast. For the same money I can get a higher tier 670e board, which has most, if not all off the features of 870 PLUS all the additional ports. Just... WOW! Who made these decisions...

[@BrianLongoria]

Great explanations! Thank you!

[@TheOneCleanHippy]

I want more Paul's Rants.

[@devonjames9]

Thx for this it was very informative

[@mikeoleksa]

The Gigabyte X870E AORUS Pro Ice is sooooooooo pretty though! 😂 FYI The "internal" HDMI port on the Gigabyte boards is supposed to be for supporting a stat display.

[@SevenBlades]

I just bought it but now I’m wondering if I’m screwed trying to throw two nvme drives into it lol

[@mikeoleksa]

@@SevenBlades, X870E should be fine. I currently run 2 gen 4 NVMe drives (Samsung 990 Pro) in a B650 board (no E) without any loss of read/write performance.

[@chrcoluk]

Good you mentioned the nerf on X870 as I can see a lot of people getting caught out by that.

[@tim3172]

100000000000000000%, I know that I *always* blindly assume that a product will meet some arbitrary spec without spending 15 seconds looking up what it supports. I'm so happy Paul is looking out for people like me who are incapable of learning, reading, etc..

[@demiankeaough4616]

AMD shot themselves in the foot yet again. How do they not learn? Universities probably use them as examples of how not to properly launch a product.

[@SasquatchsCousin33]

If x870 is so close in design, why couldn't they have aligned this with the 9000 launch (either advancing the boards, or delaying the CPU's)

[@rododendron85]

10 years ago a Mobo that cost 200 USD had debug display, on and reset button on them. Now you need to pay almost 500 for these "features".

[@hystorix9031]

Sound like fast food pricing 200 something percent too

[@BrooksBrooksBro]

10 years ago a lot was different

[@SirChristoferus]

In addition to the MAG Tomahawk, the MPG Carbon is looking pretty good in terms of compatibility with alternative operating systems like Ubuntu and its various derivatives.

[@RobloxianX]

The ASRock X870 Pro RS at $190 looks like a good deal for a possible 9600X + RX 8600 build when RDNA 4 releases.

[@Grievous-]

Even though I have never had a problem with any Asus motherboards, I regret getting the Asus Tuf B650-Plus Wifi over the ASrock B650 PG Lightning.

[@wilga80]

Nice one Paul!

[@CherishLocasio]

Thanks for the info. I was looking at the specs and was wondering if I was missing something because the extra money doesn't seem worth it for some token 'upgrades'.

[@AmeliaTesterman-g5v]

This was an excellent explanation!

[@NonLegitNation2]

I decided to upgrade from AM4 to AM5 last week. I already purchased a 7900x (not x3d, because I'm not a gamer) for $340 and I ordered my B650 mobo an hour ago. I'll be buying RAM this weekend. I bought the cpu used on ebay and the mobo (MSI B650M Mortar WiFi) used-ish on Amazon (listed as used excellent like new condition).

[@nicholasreceveur8082]

I got the B650 Mortar WiFi + 7900 XTX + 7800X3D + 32GB DDR5 RAM during Black Friday 2023 - very happy with this setup for 1440p gaming so far. My only regret is the NZXT H5 Flow case (too noisy and cheap tooling).

[@BTD3Fan]

where are all the dual ethernet boards? where 5.1 optical audio? where many usbc connectors? i thought im in the future

[@KindredIndust]

You failed to mention on several of the 870 motherboards, that if u use more than 1 gen 5 nvme, it drops the x16 slot to a x8. Might want to mention that to people before they buy.

[@bonito957]

I am between MSI's 1. x870 Tomahawk wifi 2. x870 Pro Wifi 3. x670e Tomahawk wifi I am an advanced mixed use user, willing to get a 12 core cpu in the final zen5 series to extend its mobo life.

[@profosist]

I too like the PG Lightning the X670E was the only board with actual PCI-E expansion available.

[@maverick9708]

i think someone at gigabyte got addicted to some AI snatch somewhere and it whispered that branding idea into his ear at gunpoint

[@MrChomiq]

Back when I was building my X570 system Tomahawk and Mortar boards used to cost around $100. My X570 Aorus Elite was something around $200

[@DavidinDetroit8157]

I'm building an all-white rig currently, because I like being stressed out while hunting for parts. But I picked up the Gigabyte X870 AORUS Elite WiFi7 Ice MoBo for $279 with a $15 rebate. At Micro Ctr.

[@FBIsDistSer]

11:20 a handy internal hdmi port for those cases with displays

[@daveg4417]

I was waiting for the 9000 12-Core and X870E, I was underwhelmed and totally put off by the high prices in Canada. $700 just for the CPU. So I bought a new Intel 12700K 12-Core instead for $200 and built a system around that. It is to replace my old i7-6950X X99 64GB RTX-2060 system. 12700K is 200% the performance of the 6950X, plus I went with 192GB DDR5.

[@jasonkustra5671]

This is the video I needed to see! I've been stressing on which 870E to get but I think I'm gonna go with the Asrock 670E Nova?

[@NotAFanMan88]

There's some big caveats with the extra gen 5 m.2 slots below the top x16 g5 slot, that seems to be present on all the Aorus boards (and probably other 870 boards). It shares bandwidth with the m.2 slots, and will downgrade to a pcie x8 connection if they are used. And that's for the *primary* GPU slot. This isn't nearly as much of an issue on a lot of x670(e) boards since most opt for g4 x4 slots for the m.2 drives. Definitely pay attention to the tech specs when it comes to the "sharing" of slot bandwidth and if that will be an issue for you for your planned configuration.

[@thomaskruse5371]

Irony is what we need. Thanks for just throwing that out there. Greetings from Germany. (sorry, first post was in german)

[@VolcanoPenguin]

Why did AMD skip from 600 series boards to 800? Where's X770 and B750?

[@dharmabummed9923]

Just got a Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite. Came with a free 32gb 6000 DDR 5 kit. At least brought the total upgrade cost down a little.

[@GameTechReviews]

ASRock X870E Nova pretty much has everything except 10g but that can be added to the bottom slot.

[@genixia]

x870e Nova is overrated IMO. The 2nd and 3d PCIE slots are Gen3 x1 and x2 respectively so won't keep up with a 10g NIC (PCI Gen 3 is 1Gbps per lane). The 3rd slot shares its lanes with the 5th nmve m.2 slot too, so it's either one or the other...

[@hizacaine]

My complaint is similar. going up in series from 670 to 870 there is no increase in the quantity of PCIE lanes directly accessing the cpu, both versions give the customer just 24 channels to allocate for their own choices.

[@hamstergt1869]

Glad to see SPDiF is making a return.

[@tim3172]

10000%, compressed 5.1 sounds so much better than the lossless 7.1 on HDMI.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

You had me at AI Snatch feature

[@jackgamble6120]

Gigabyte Aorus Master...NO LONGER HAS THAT METAL BACKPLATE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MB! Game changer for me...loved the heft and sturdiness and protection it provided. :/

[@poocruncha3266]

Good job on pointing out the critical differences between the 670 870 e and non e boards.I picked up an open box x670e Aorus Pro x mobo for 200bucks from micro center and there is really no difference between the x870e and x670e, other than faster ram support and the led debug and push release for the graphics card on the Gigabyte boards. But yea, a X870 is literally a b650 sad...Watched other videos and no one pointed that out about the x870 boards.

[@SpaceMyName]

I'm a big fan of Gigabyte's AI Snatch.

[@K05H]

11:20 The HDMI port that's off to the side is for the sensor panel.

[@laszlosarkozi1385]

About the "AI Snatch" name: In Hungary the name of the movie "Snatch" is actually "Bluff" because it better describes what happens in the movie.(The company owning the movie rights in Hungary decides always on the name) So for Hungarian people "AI Snatch" means "AI Bluff" which actually much better describes this feature on Gigabyte' MoBo.

[@fourwheelerjock]

Got my AMD 9950x and my MSI X870E Carbon Wifi and it is absolutely sick. Cant wait to build it. Only gripe is if yoy use both Gen5 m.2 itll make your GPU PCIE 8x instead of 16x

[@Mithat01]

Is this a big problem? I want to know

[@fourwheelerjock]

@mithatgam Not really. Apparently even the newest 4090s can't use all 16 lanes on the PCIE slot to begin with and running a GPU in 8x you'll see no difference or very very little. I actually Rane min eine 8x for years and didn't even know it. Put it in 16x and daw no difference

[@Mithat01]

Thanks for the help @fourwheelerjock

[@genixia]

@@fourwheelerjock This. It's my understanding that GPU cards run at x8 with virtually no detectable performance hit, but at x4 you'll see about a 10-15% hit. The problem is that a PCI5x4 slot won't allow a Gen3x16 or Gen4x16 GPU (i.e. 99% of GPUS out there) run at x8. This is problematic for anyone wanting to do multiple GPU setups (eg. for VM passthrough). All the motherboards that can do x8/x8 are at the top end of pricing. All the affordable boards are x16/x4.

[@DownwithDoug]

Hardly and upgrade at this point. I looked at them but the cost to performance wasn't with the upgrade.

[@heretic124]

At least we're finally getting more white boards to choose from and they're on cheaper side too. I'm waiting for new X3D processors to build a new PC and I want it white.

[@fanofentropy2280]

I just want debug LEDs on an affordable low to mid range board.

[@Gofr5]

Really is no reason to not have an 8 segment display on every motherboard. They cost nothing.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

I saw the LED debug things on amazon for pretty cheap and yet manufacturers only put them on high end stuff

[@ffwast]

Sorry buddy it's too late,the corporations realized they could take away features and sell them back to you at a premium. The shareholders need a new yacht you know,won't you think of the shareholders?

[@BusterFortnite]

I've had my x870e aorus elite since it came out over a month ago for my 4080 super + r7 9800x3d rig, except the 9800x3d still hasn't arrived because it's still on pre-order and scan delays are crazy... I paid for it with my own money at 15 for around £2-3k so hopefully it'll be a great build (It's fully built, I just left the AIO hanging off the rardiator and the cpu socket is closed, once the 9800x3d arrives in hopefully a week, and I'll put it in the motherboard, replace the stock socket and add the aio)

[@W0ND3RB0Y1]

From what I can see on the Gigabyte marketing, the fan isn't for the chipset but for placement above the RAM.. Pretty interesting idea and option imo..

[@Hagop64]

I always like the feature set of TUF products, lots of bells and whistles but not top dollar/super high end. The aesthetics though, always leave something to be desired.

[@rangersmith4652]

ASRock has been my go-to motherboard maker lately, and I'm about to build my new gaming PC on a B650E Taichi Lite. (I bought my 7800X3D for $360 right after the dismal Zen5 release day reviews.) Consensus is that the PG Lightning and PG Riptide are also great boards. The X870 boards are silly overkill compared to the 6-series boards and should be avoided by 99% of PC builders.

[@Tithulta1]

I am so glad I bought the Asrock Taichi Lite B650E a few weeks ago as i collected parts for building my new AM5 setup. I'd bought the others parts first since I KNEW I wanted 4gb nvme 4.0 x4, 64gb ddr5 6000 cl30, 1000x psu. Once i decided on the MB, I bought the MagniumGear NEO Qube 2 IM, and then CPU must be decided upon, wanted to wait and get the 9600x and eventually buy the 9800x3d, but with those going down in flames, I bought the 7800x3d just in time. It was the last one on the shelf in my local walmart as they were out of stock every place at $400 or less.

[@lukefisher2113]

I just snagged an asus x870 board from newegg that was $309 retail then $70 off and came with 32gb of corsair 6400 ddr5 ram when paired with the 7700x purchase. So all bundled together for just under $500. Dont think it was a steal but I think it was a solid enough buy to get my build off the ground.

[@ElliotWrightUK]

Something really shoddy with these X870E boards (maybe also X870?) is how many of them share PCIe lanes between the M.2 slots and the main PCIe x16 slot, where if you insert an M.2 drive you're dropping to x8 times for your GPU. Honestly it just blows my mind that this is on the flagship, top of the line chipset. It's such a common use-case too. You buy a high-end rig, you expect to be able to have super fast storage, and use your GPU to it's fullest. And it's something that's really not obvious when you're purchasing these motherboards too, you have to go diving around in the manual to find this information, which means looking in quite a lot of manuals to pick your motherboard. ASRock once again proving to be very sensible here, and their M.2 slots can all be used without affecting the PCIe lanes available to your GPU. On the board I'm now getting, the ASRock X870E Nova Wireless, if I put an M.2 drive in the final M.2 slot, it will disable the final PCIe slot. Not something that most people, myself included, would really be bothered by.

[@justinbroniszewski]

My X670E board is all I need. Sure USB4 is nice, but I only use USB to plug in my mouse and keyboard and maybe an SD card reader now and then. Wifi7 is a mess right now so I don't even consider that a feature. 😂

[@insu_na]

man I really love no longer having any usable PCIe slots