Going on the Offensive Against the Democrats (w/ Kshama Sawant)

[@carpediem44]

Yes, I voted for Jill Stein, but I have no illusions.

[@patricialongo5870]

Growing the base might be good.

[@SingerPhillips]

I too voted for Jill Stein of Green Party and do hope it’s a vote that is counted and not discarded for some failure of whatever rules they are given as counters. I know all too well like a court room judge, facts can be disregarded according to whatever rules are applied to court room.

[@MutualistSoc]

Jill getting 5% would be a November surprise

[@janusroland]

yes.

[@urrywest]

It would be great but I really hate the democratic party.

[@SirEddieRoss]

Building movements; yes!!!

[@DLFfitness1]

You can’t help people that are ok with the status quo. That is what most people are voting for when they vote for either of the two major parties.

[@greenvelvet]

Martin Luther King warned us. Liberal simply want a negative peace that is built on the absence of tension. They're more concerned about preserving order than pursuing Justice. I'm paraphrasing his letters to Loretta Scott King in letters from A Birmingham jail

[@Don.M.]

I’m voting my principles and common sense. Jill Stein earned my vote because she has a platform that works best for me and my community. A platform adversarial to an evil empire.

[@ctkategman]

A vote for Jill stein is a vote Jill stein something is earned is not entitled I would write somebody in if she wasn’t on the ballot

[@Captain-Obvious]

I agree _however_ I ask you to consider the point I am about to make as we all go into the post election. The point is how do we respond to the libs, Dems, and lesser evil crowd IF Harris loses? Obviously they 100% are going to blame us more than any other group. It sounds like you plan to say what you stated here right? I believe a much, much more productive reply that is assertive rather than defensive is to say "YES. Yes we did cause your Dem candidate to lose and we are going to do it again & again from here on out _deliberately."_ This is a better answer but it expresses serious determination for one and for two if we pull off doing exactly that (spoiling more elections for Dems in the future) it gives us raw leverage. Either the Dem party can then change or it won't (and it won't). But even if it doesn't (because it won't) if we make it so that the Dems can't win elections their voters will ultimately have to face the reality that they either join us or live under GOP rule forever. Basically if we come to see the spoiler effect as the way to gain leverage we have a very possible path to destroying & replacing the corrupt corporate "party" of the Dems.

[@StateOfPurgatory]

Thanks!

[@StateOfPurgatory]

On my car window with a marker I write I vote for jill Stein Many of my students parents asked me who is she and I explained and they said maybe gfeu vote for her

[@SavePlanetPlease]

Ty for interview

[@DoloresAvitia]

Ms. Sawant, you have the energy, knowledge to run for president yourself. I am hopeful for your future.

[@lacha608]

What's sad, tragic really, is that if 1) if the Green Party or other parties with similar platforms had the ability to effectively publicize their existence and 2) the masses had the courage to vote their conscience and values, we would have had the Green Party or a Party with a similar platform in government long ago. The masses are easily deprived of information about alternate parties and are easily variously shepherded or disenfranchised into either actively supporting a power structure that is profoundly destructive of their own lives and the health of the nation and planet, or into standing aside and passively allowing the power structure to remain in power. In light of the increasingly entrenched global capitalist oligarchy and its many forms of control and the consequences of climate change beginning to take hold, I feel that humanity's and the planet's future is utterly lost.

[@carpediem44]

@@lacha608 If you actually believed that, you wouldn't even waste your time posting it. Sounds like you are just interested in inducing apathy and despair.

[@catkin-z8g]

You can't vote for a party. I suppose you can but a party can't be a president and you end up thinking you need another party and wondering how you could get enough publicity without a billion $.

[@vivalaleta]

"But you told us we could win!" 😡 Jesus Christ, are we all four years old??

[@danthemansmail]

Apparently yes.

[@AmianteTarvoke]

I see people saying that a lot on twitter, but I know they are just Dem party propagandists lying to smear the Greens.

[@anonuser6867]

Comments getting astroturfed by fascists. Obviously you are hitting the target. Keep up the good work.

[@rbauer1632]

All I can say is where is everybody? If the mass of voters, who by the way live paycheck to paycheck, can't see that neither major party shares their interest, then mentally/intellectually where are they?

[@catkin-z8g]

they have the Stockholm syndrome or have become abusers themselves.

[@AmianteTarvoke]

They're deluded by all the propaganda on the TV. They don't want to think about it; it's so depressing. Easier to live in denial and just follow the herd over the cliff.

[@franciswarnock8977]

I am just swept by Kshama. What a stellar advocate and activist. She goes straight for their throat and I love her for it.

[@StateOfPurgatory]

Absolutely I am voting for her just because to stop the war

[@leonpse]

This show the weakness of the trendy left vote. There is a huge platform of issues - healthcare, jobs, education, housing, mass incarceration. Opioid crisis, inflation, imperialism. Corporatism, etc.

[@TangledUpInBlue631]

​@@leonpse For some people it's a moral choice. Remaining true to one's principles isn't easy this year. But the genocide will continue under Kamala or Trump. As such Jill Stein is the only candidate we can live with.

[@AmianteTarvoke]

@@leonpse And the Dems fail on all those issues too. The main problem is not just genocide or endless wars in general, it's the fact that the Dem party is a scam that works with the GOP to maintain the status quo so they can keep fundraising off issues that never get resolved. It has nothing to do with being trendy, your stupid insults are dishonest and we can tell that you're just a Dem party propagandist who came here to fling mud on the Green party because they're calling out your corrupt party's bullshit.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

​@@leonpseyep, these guys are going crazy At a local level sure, at a national level? No, it's psychotic

[@AshleyGraetz]

"History of war is that the banker always wins." (unknown) A decentralised ledger of losses in a war and civil tribunal for reparations would. 1 expose the neo colonialist genocidal ideology and 2. make the military fiscally responsible in a court of law for every single loss.

[@thelosalamosvoice8215]

Nice discussion.

[@greggasiorowski1326]

Exactly, this is my issue with many Greens, it's delusional to think Stein has a chance of winning let alone get 5% at this point, my only issue is the focus on party building which I think is ultimately futile in this system.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

Movement building- a party is only a shell. Look at the democratic and republican parties. They have morphed significantly over time...

[@CarlosPena-pf5zi]

I Unapologetically Voted For Jill Stein / Butch Ware 2024

[@DivineRight66]

Wrote-in Jill Stein, as she wasn't on the ballot unlike 2016. Unsure, why she wasn't. Absolutely no mention of it on their site - maybe not enough signatures - I was never solicited, nor saw a petition.

[@AmianteTarvoke]

The Dem party sued to get her off the ballot in many states. Greens overturned some, but Dems always file injunctions, anything to bleed Greens dry of the little funds they have. It's despicable sabotage, very undemocratic.

[@CstleTW]

If the party establishments aren't attacking you then you aren't making a difference. Kshama has always been an extraordinary pro-worker force. There are very few people, if any, as impressive as she is in this country, in terms of being a positive force for the American worker. If Trump wasn't the Republican candidate, I think there would be an even more massive uptick of people who would be fully on board with her and the green party. I'm not sure how anyone would be able to provide any real criticism of her plan in that case. As we get closer to election day, the Trump campaign has become more and more unhinged. The best argument in favor of the Dems is the GOP. At this point that's just about the only argument in favor of the Dems. This system is not sustainable, that's obvious. After the election, regardless of who wins, we need to put down some serious pressure on Dems, Republicans, and the international community to take positive action. Pro-worker, pro-Palestine, pro-climate, pro-peace action. People have far more power than they think, but there needs to be unity. Solidarity between workers, the media, unions, even religions, is crucial. All progress minded people need to get serious after this election. The next few years will be crucial for the entire future of the world. Everyone should listen to people like Kshama very closely. Serious allies of the working class like her are incredibly valuable.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

This ^ Parties are just shells- the movements and hierarchies behind them are what matter

[@CarlosPena-pf5zi]

Kshama Sawant ❤

[@Prayforpeace1109]

Thankyou Chris. Voted for Jill Stein.

[@StateOfPurgatory]

I am for Claudia

[@DC-wg1cr]

It's about sending a message.

[@timtheenchanter69]

This boils down to messaging. I've watched dozens of interviews from Jill and Butch and they always frame their chances in a reasonable sense of optimism not just for this cycle but beyond. You are not going to stir people to action with sober cynicism. And if you think people need this level of coddling over this complete non issue than you are simply barking up the wrong tree. We know we cannot outright win this cycle, but insisting that no hopeful language be used is ridiculous. There are way way way more serious fissures that will have to be filled in the expanding coalition building moving forward, spending another second on whatever this is, is a complete waste of energy.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

There is a sizeable chunk of the American population that is plain out stupid. That is not going away anytime soon, so you need galvanization, controversy and charisma (to target their nonsensical emotions and twisted culture) to get them to vote for you. At the same time, you need intellectualism so you can actually do things effectively.

[@liz-sy2lj]

Kshama's argument matches Sami Hamdi. I appreciate her and her ability to strategize. I voted for Stein and she's right. I've voted for Stein before, but this time, I had a very coherent viable strategy in mind--to break the chains of zionism.

[@kentsmith6723]

As much as I support Kshama here in Seattle, and I do, I'm also aware that much of the Seattle accomplishments she speaks of did not last. Kshama's issue movements pushed the ball up out of the problem cup but at the same time a lack of preparing a new cup for it to tip into allowed opposition to scuddle the work or just the lack of strategic analysis left some issue accomplishments with nowhere to settle. On the latter, e.g., the ethical city banking initiative failed to find a bank other than Wells Fargo who could handle the city's needs. Kshama can make a tweet and the next day 100+ people show up ready to loudly protest; but in the case of the ethical banking move, it was splashy and intuitive to get public support to divest the city from Dakota Access Pipeline, yet the better strategic move would have been to put support into existing work for local-regional public banking, creating the proper solution to ethical city banking once the will to change had pushed the matter far enough. See what I mean? And that's characteristic of Kshama's apparent vision on matters. The so-called 'Amazon tax' was quickly reversed, $15/hr was inadequate at the point it was enacted - she leads the movements offensively while failing to nurture simultaneously the proper structures and systems to transform the problems.

[@HarrmGrotto]

VOTE GREEN PARTY!!

[@robertziawinski6554]

Right On Kshama!

[@Lyra0966]

Gill Stein is the progressive Sanders wishes he could have been.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

Jill Stein outwardly supported Trump Howie Hawkins was a better green party candidate than the spoiler.

[@Lyra0966]

@GalacticNovaOverlord Nonsense. Stein has never outwardly supported Trump. But if she has ever denounced the unscrupulous lawfare and other attacks used by the dems to undermine her own and Trump's campaigns, she was right to do so.

[@michaellovullo7363]

Why do the people that "care about the environment " fight for more of what is killing it?

[@AmianteTarvoke]

Are you saying that the Green party is fighting for corporate hegemony? Please clarify your question.

[@matthewingerson]

Anyone not advocating for a decrease in GDPs and Consumption is just a RWer, whether they realize they are or not. The Green Party is NOT advocating for a decrease in decrease in GDPs and Consumption, because it's a RW-shill operation. The Green party is just like the Libertarian Party, the Tea Party, and the Freedom Caucus. They are ALL bought, owned, bribed, & controlled by the corrupt, wealthy-class authoritarians & their corrupt RW-politics. Just like the RW-extremist Repub party and the moderate-RW Dem party. Working-class people need to stop voting for, and stop striving to be like, wealthy-RWers.

[@michaellovullo7363]

@AmianteTarvoke why do the people that claim to care about the environment fly all over the world? Why do they want more people and more health care in the first world? Why is living and dieing naturally not part of their platform? Why aren't they fighting against global trade?

[@matthewingerson]

RWers, like @Amiante, don't care about the environment. They care about their own material-possessions, vacation-trips, & easy standard of living. Most people are RWers, whether they're smart enough to comprehend it or not. You can tell that @Amiante is a RWer, based on their question. The Green Party is NOT fighting FOR corporate hegemony -- that is NOT what the wealthy-class has designed the Green Party to do. The Green Party is PRETENDING to fight AGAINST corporate hegemony -- that is what the wealthy-class has designed the Green Party to do. RWers control the Green Party, and all of the other political-parties in the US, and most of the world.

[@AmianteTarvoke]

@@michaellovullo7363 You're right about air travel. The others are dumb questions.

[@ElkoJohn]

I support Kshama, but she needs to learn how to shorten her answers. She will turn-off blue collar workers by running on, and on, with her answers.

[@usazar]

Ha ha try going on offensive against Trump now.

[@paconner27]

It's about the judiciary. If Trump wins again the Federal court system will be over for a generation.

[@MedusaWithoutTheBaggage]

Can I ask who this “activist” is and why so many podcasts have her on? How does she have anything unique to add to a conversation that any other “activist” doesn’t? Am I missing something? I’m always suspect of repetitive faces…

[@Bovice..YT-handles-are-fn-dumb]

She was part of Seattle' City Council, and the main reason Seattle has $15 min wage. She's a big part of the reason raising min wage & weed legalization became popular a decade ago. She's one of the veeeery few US politicians to actually help improve workers live in the past 2 generations.

[@nickolasthefrog]

Her name is in the title of the video and wikipedia (for starters) has an article on her.

[@matthewingerson]

FFS, I don't mean to be discouraging, but do you know what a "search engine" is, and don't you know how to use them? How can you be a unique individual if you're incapable of learning? You don't feel like you're missing something? I'm always suspicious of such blatant ignorance. 🙄 I know that might seem discouraging, but don't let yourself be. Instead, be encouraged to try harder to be better.

[@catkin-z8g]

It is kind of half honest that Jill Stein will probably get 1.2%. She is running for the green party so it would be 1.2% for the green party not Jill Stein. If Shiva get's 1.2% then it would be accurate to say he did since he is running as an independent candidate.

[@lvincents]

I love and respect Chris Hedges, our greatest living public intellectual. But why would he and/or his team post this excerpt with this title, the very day before the election? Does he want to give people a reason NOT to vote for the Green Party?

[@marshallbjohnson]

No genocide is real DNC is for arming genocide

[@chris4973]

Stein got my vote. Just finished Stephen Markley’s The Deluge. I am of the same opinion as the character Ash in that work; Trump’s election might be the push that trips the social tipping point. As with junkies and alcoholics… sometimes you gotta hit bottom before you can begin the long crawl back to health. Trump will certainly help us hit bottom

[@urrywest]

Remember: A vote for Stein is a vote for Harris.

[@lvincents]

Kshama Sawant is one of my heroes. All the same, since stepping down from local politics in Seattle and starting Workers Strike Back, she has become too much of a complainer, in my opinion. She complained and complained about Sean Fain, but he accomplished a great result. Perhaps Kshama simply needs to learn that different people are going to have different strategies, even if she doesn't always agree with them. We need major unity right now on the left, but Kshama is becoming perhaps too much of a complainer. It may be better for her to voice these differences of strategy outside of the public eye. I'm beginning to grow tired of her complaining against co-fighters doing their very best to oppose this horrific system we live in. We love you Kshama. But this bickering with others on our side is not your best effort.

[@wm3138]

There needs to be some accountability for what has been done to many people by the Democrats.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

So you allowed the foolish populace to vote in the worst incarnation of the capitalist and imperialist policies that made the democrats bad, wonderful 👏

[@stanm4601]

..yes anti war BUT in this election…you will help trump to return to office..then wait to see what you have wrought!

[@AmianteTarvoke]

Blame the Dems who would rather lose to Trump than to stop supporting genocide. Trump is just a symptom of the corrupt duopoly anyway. Dems count on fear of the boogieman so they don't have to be genuine in any way. The duopoly is a scam.

[@walterlippmann4361]

A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.

[@rlud304]

Read twice please. Stein voters would not have voted for Harris no matter what!

[@lacha608]

No. A vote for Stein is a vote for Stein and a vote against both Harris, Trump, and the "Democratic" and Republican parties which have been betraying them and their needs and demands for decades.

[@MedusaWithoutTheBaggage]

So?

[@walterlippmann4361]

@@MedusaWithoutTheBaggage So Jill is a spoiler. Republicans love her. She should drop out and endorse Harris.

[@nickolasthefrog]

@@walterlippmann4361 The Democratic Party has the option of including these views in their platform (and actual governing) but prefers donations over votes. Half of Americans don’t vote, not because the parties are too polarized but because they’re too similar.

[@darrenfonzseau5832]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJPWf2iLg8iilcUsi=optMB9yf6MB-wSZN HEAR FROM WORKERS not just DRS and RICH FOLKS.