Gojo Vs Makima | The Complete Breakdown

Gojo Vs Makima. With Death Battle's take on this finally coming out today. I felt like it was high time to give everyone a complete recap- on Makima Vs Gojo. And give you Death Battle Reaction of sorts, on my part.
So? Even if you know nothing about these two characters. I'm going to catch everyone up to speed- on everything from the Chainsaw man Manga, to the shocking Gojo Death.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:03 Gojo's Lore
2:50 Gojo's Many Abilities
12:20 Gojo's Strength & Speed
15:06 Makima's Lore
18:47 Makima's Strength & Speed
21:55 Makima's Many Abilities
27:03 The Battle Begins
28:39 Gojo's Win Cons
31:54 Makima's Win Cons
34:21 Conclusion
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[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Sorry to everyone for how late this video was! Technical Issues stopped this from dropping on Sunday, but it was still a blast to make. So? I hope you all enjoyed it! Also, I've seen the Death Battle now. And? Other than a few things, I thought it was pretty good. With the result, being as obvious as we all predicted.

[@Replied_ByMeatr1der5]

Gojo wins= For the more straightforward people but also the most simple minded Makima wins= For the more hax oriented people, who tends to do more mental gymnastics

[@TomasBregman]

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[@bignoob2726]

Actually, it's really just about who you want to win. A Makima fan will tell you that she perceives up to the end of our atmosphere and that's her telekinetic range and her eyes keep up with hypersonic speeds. So combined with teleportation she can zone Gojo like it's an NRS game. Gojo fan will tell you that hollow purple its existence erasure that's ftl. This just isn't true. But u get the point It's really up to who you want to win

[@TomasBregman]

@@bignoob2726 Yeah it depends on how you interpret both of these characters abilities which usually holds some kind of bias.

[@CK-wv5hg]

Doesn't take much gymnastics though. Makima wins by simply controlling.

[@TheDevilDeVille]

I think that, honestly, the bit about Unlimited Void not working is a misjudged. While Makima being able to remember things that were erased from existence shows a hefty amount of mental resilience, it only does so for things that might change or alter her memories, it doesn't suggest she would be able to resist and infinite amount of information infinitely entering her brain all at once, which is what Unlimited Void does. In fact, without genuine pure omniscience, you almost certainly couldn't just resist Unlimited Void if it managed to be activated on you. If we assume that the damage transfer effect applies to Makima, it still has to take time to trigger, and since Unlimited Void is continuously transferring this infinite information to her brain, she will still get frozen by it, even as the actual brain-damage is moved to random citizens. After all, in the 0.2 seconds that he cast Unlimited Void in Shibuya, everyone inside the domain had 6 months worth of information jammed into their brains. Addtionally, due to Unlimited Void, the time that it will take Gojo to actually run out Makima's lives in the brute force solution drops significantly. Those 299 seconds were only from Gojo's pov, the real world time that passed was actually only 0.2 seconds, because of Unlimited Void. This reduces the amount of real world time that Gojo spends killing Makima down to about 7 hours, during which Makima will be frozen from the infinite information. Even if we assume he takes breaks to rest from physical exhaustion, Gojo has effectively infinite cursed energy and could keep Unlimited Void active perpetually, as he is unaffected by it, and there's no statement in the manga that suggest Gojo couldn't keep his domain up for as long as he wanted. With that said, even if we assume Makima can avoid being made braindead due to the prime minister contract and that hollow purple can't oneshot her, Gojo can still completely kill her within a single real world day using Unlimited Void, while she would be unable to do anything in response. That said, its not like any of this matters to the conclusion of the video.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Honestly, I only really disagree with three things about your assessment here? But otherwise- you pretty much seem to be on the money. The first thing is pretty simple, we know Unlimited void doesn’t actually give infinite information instantly. (Since we have an exact measure of timeframe, to information- that you pointed out yourself being 6 months of info every 1/5 second) So? If Makima has mental resistance- you could argue she MIGHT be able to handle that level of information- since it’s not actually infinite in number (just infinite in terms of never running out) The second thing is Gojo’s PoV since? It’s not ever made very clear if the 299 seconds was in Gojo time, or real time. With the .2 second measure- being for the domain (not the killing) as far as I’m aware. The only other thing I disagree with- is how long Gojo can activate Domains- since? After activating it 5+ Times in the Sukuna fight, his brain was starting to rot (implying overuse could kill him) But? Other than those three things- I pretty much agree. And regardless, I’m glad you watched through the whole video, with such a well thought out comment! Always love replying to these. Hope you enjoy some more of our stuff while you’re here.

[@H4kuii]

just to add onto this Makima can delay her regen to up to basically like 5 minutes meaning she can slower the amount lives taken in an instance, although this would just make it harder to attack him it would allow her to devise plans effectively which includes using her spy network to allow her use an advantage based off environment.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is actually pretty likely. But adding it into the calculations is a bit tricky, since we don’t know how long she can “stay dead” in a sense. But, yes. If Gojo can’t delete her with purple or exorcise her with cursed energy. Then she could likely use the spare invincibility time, to make some more elaborate strategies.

[@TomasBregman]

This is a really good point that I've never thought about. This could definitely work, especially if she uses the spider devil or her animal teleportation to get away and devise a plan to defeat Gojo,

[@josephvaccariello4181]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Or like you kinda forget makima is smart and has used space related abilities before all the time she can likely figure out how infinity works easily and she would likely assume gojo healing works similar to a devil and just keep using bang on him. A single one of them hitting the head which is a place people commonly aim for in fights may give gojo brain dmg destroy one of his 6 eyes thus leading to him loosing one or more parts of his kit.

[@Mr_Dwip]

An instant wincon is literally rupturing his insides, which will undoubtedly affect his brain and is something she does as the first move, then a bang to the head, thats literally just a standard makima way to fight. Gojo doesnt start fights with UV or HP, and makima goes for the kill immediately every time. Gojo cant rejen with no brain. Makima can. GG.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I haven’t had a lot of time to reply to every comment yet. But since this one is on the shorter end. I’ll say, that I don’t think this is super likely. Since we’ve never seen Makima target someone’s organs for large scale damage. The closest thing we’ve seen- is her ritual technique, and the glare. The first? Requires people, and likely a weak target. Where as the glare, does not show the AP to accomplish that. If you believe Denji > Gojo in durability though. A Bang to his head could do the trick, if she landed it. But because it would have to fully destroy his head (and because many would argue Gojo >= Denji Dura.) Then? I would say- because Gojo had infinite healing (minus full brain destruction) that he’d last long enough to find a win.

[@Mr_Dwip]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY she did this to the darkness devil, who undoubtedly has better durability than probably everyone shown so far, by pointing at him. It wasnt a "bang" projectile, she pointed at him, who also has an invisible barrier, and blood spewed out of all of his orifices. It was her first attack too. She has future sight too.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

She does injure the darkness Devil, but not in any way that would incap Gojo. We see it begin to bleed- as if it was hit with a Bang in its organs. But otherwise? It’s fine. I also mention the barrier & future sight in the video. Makima could definitely hurt Gojo. But considering we saw Gojo regen from something similar (or more severe) during his fight with Sukuna, where he healed from multiple Slashes at insane speed (one of which nearly beheaded him, and others which went through him.) I think it’s pretty likely RCT covers most of Makima’s TK. And anything that it doesn’t? Gojo may neg with his own spacial control. Or end it immediately after recovering, which he would do in character (via toji fight & Shibuya fight) with his Domain/Purple if you think either works to end it.

[@Mr_Dwip]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY No. Gojo has not regen'd from a move that would scramble his brains. Makima injured the insides of the darkness devil to the point where MASSIVE amounts of blood spewed out of every hole and it hunched over in what I assume is pain. Makima doing that to gojo's brain for even a second, even if it doesnt destroy his brain, rct wouldnt happen on his brain right away, and in that short time limitless will most definitely be deactivated. Then a bang to the face, which was strong enough to literally send pochita to space, will without a doubt obliterate his skull and turn it into a paste. And if not? Multiple bangs to the skull, which is also somethIng she does. All she needs is to stop limitless for a second. Scrambling his brains is more than enough for that.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Gojo hasn't directly, but Hakari (who is weaker than Gojo) has. Makima did harm the Darkness Devil, and cause it to bleed all over, but there's no indication that something like that smashed the Darkness Devil's brain or internals (as opposed to just inflicting damage of them.) And? Again- If Bang was so ineffective against Pochita- that it could launch him all the way to space (without Killing him.) Then IMO? With Domain amplification/cursed energy defenses- she would have even less luck blowing up Gojo's skull. Not saying it cant happen, I just find it much less likely than Gojo getting one of his win cons.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

I bet this fight will change drastically when Part 2 of chainsaw man ends, despite both characters no longer being in the story. That is because of Nayuta, other characters coming back and the up scaling for god tiers being clarified. Nayuta is going to make a Gigantic impact on part 2 narratively and literally when considering the source material of the same name that she is based off. The whole thing revolving around her being destined to destroy the world, so any similar scaling Nayuta could have later on as the control Devil could be applied to Makima as well. Many characters from part 1 are reappearing either due to immortality or reincarnation, meaning their vague limits can be elaborated on in the upcoming future, like with angel and what he can do. I can see FTL or at least relativistic chainsaw man being very blatant by the end of the series since the gun devil already had relativistic scaling with it being massively up scaled by the primordial who the horsemen show relativity or in Kiga's example, superiority to. Though it may not allow for a blitz of infinity using Gojo's highest end speed scales, it would make his already impractical win con that much more impractical without something like domain. And probably blitz the infinity of his mid-tier scaling of mach 300+. Some other win-cons I would like to mention are: Portal BFR. Angel's portals have shown to have the range of deep space and at the very least hundreds of kilometres, shown in the fight with the gun devil. In the scenario she crippled his hands and or reduce/impair his Regen, she could throw him into space and leave him there before he can recover. Depending on the actual range, he might not be able to get back even with his teleportation and eventually suffocate! Another power she should have access to is power's blood manipulation, since she has control of her body, as shown when she walked Denji through her corridor. This, when amped with blood or the strength of a strong devil, something she has easy access to (herself), can allow her to control the blood of others from the inside ignoring his infinity and his regen like it did to her. The only problem is a statement from Gege explaining why Hanami didn't create roots inside of people due to the innate domain protecting them and needing to be pieced from the outside. I'm not too sure how this Would affect blood manip because it doesn't create but control what is already there. We might get confirmation depending on the abilities the other death paintings possess. If she can use blood manip, the fight would drastically change and, undoubtedly, be low diff by ignoring his infinity Dura and regen. Hey, what can you expect from the almighty POWA! Other win-cons are mentionable but long plentiful and hypothetical, so to make it simple, she potentially has or would have access to any devil public safety can grant her as a result of her position, so any argument you can think of for devils they can give her is another potential win con. Say mould as a type of poison/being created from within or stone not being considered a threat just based on its tangible properties, thereby ignoring infinity and petrifying him etc. This can even be extended outside public safety to people she has killed or even just died in Japan thanks to her using lower lifeforms akin to Mei Mei allowing her to see and hear anything all over the country and gain access to it. (Kurose and their partner being an example of that) Lastly, I'll like to mention that I doubt Gojo wouldn't be greatly fatigued using blue or red for what is essentially all the time for over a year. Though they aren't on the level of domain, the fact that domain's use a day's worth of CE and five of them in a few or so hours can greatly reduce his RCT output along with his other attacks is quite telling to what constant year long blues and reds would do to him. I can see this going against him without a considerable break which Makima could choose not to let him have the fight, eventually ending from his exhaustion. As a Gojo hater, Makima negs.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

Bruh just skimming mine makes it looks like the antithesis to Limbo's comment lol 🤣

[@limbo9993]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 Fr, that’s pretty much what it is lol. But nice analysis, and while I disagree with some of it, I can get where your coming from. As a Gojo fan, he gives her back shots because we _both_ know that Makima hasn’t prayed today 💀

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@@limbo9993Lucky bastard 🤬 🤣 'It should've been me not him!'

[@limbo9993]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 Bro is gonna make her bark 😭

[@chiaki.hayakawa18]

This debate was already over, when Fujimoto make Nayuta, a new control devil, instantly control War Devil without fighting This is consistent with Makima power about her can control you, based on her perception. Also over for Gojo, once he made Falling Devil reverse Earth Gravitational force with her mere appearance. Which scales to Makima. Also over for Gojo, once GEGE gave Gojo a time limit of 5 DE per day. he got brain damages towards the shot, That activate his CT. Also over for Gojo once GEGE placed that Barrier Domain Expansion rule of ppl with no CR can freely move in and out of them domain, sure hit mechanism won't touch them. Also over for Gojo once GEGE made Sukuna cut Gojo in half with space ability

[@TomasBregman]

This battle completely depends on what devils and contracts Makima is given and how you interpret these abilities. Makima if given the blood devil could simply have all of Gojo's blood turn into swords impaling him from every angle, killing him instantly. (chapter 90 of CSM) Makima is given the stone devil, she could simply have Gojo turn to stone, if given the opportunity to draw the circle which is unlikely but not impossible. (Chapter 59 of Csm) Makima may not be able to kill Gojo outright with the mold devil it could definitely slow him down, if it is constantly being placed in his brain, lungs and heart causing internal bleeding (Chapter 46 of csm) This one is a lot more hypothetical than the others but it still isn't outside the realm of possibility. You could argue that the Angel devil's weapons would be capable of bypassing infinity due to their special properties. Such as harming intangible objects such as ghosts and cutting down enemies without leaving any cut wounds. Is it also much more likely that the usage 1000 year spear that Makima used against Pochita would work against Gojo due warping and distorting space before being fired at a weakened Pochita. (chapter 89 of csm) Makima if she is given the hell devil could have Gojo casted into hell where he would either be killed by a primordial fear, or he would die of starvation/old age. (chapter 63 of csm) Its the same case for the eternity devil if Gojo is trapped inside the eternity devil. He'll likely die of starvation due to being trapped for all eternity. This one is also quite ambiguous and somewhat improbable, but Makima COULD permanently incapacitate Gojo via the cosmos fiend and her ability 'Halloween' stuffing someone with knowledge of the entire universe, overloading your brain until you can only think of and say the word 'Halloween'. These are likely the only devils Makima would have easy contact with that could bypass infinity or outright defeat Gojo. Makima could perform her weird combustion ritual with an unknown devil contract on Gojo and escape via the spider devil/animal teleportation while Gojo is busy fighting off hordes of zombies and the weapon hybrids. This ritual would likely work and bypass infinity, all Makima would need is Gojo's name. However even without these devils Makima has her own win cons by herself. These mainly involve the assumption that telekinesis abilities would work. Makima's iconic bang is the first of three other forms of her telekinetic powers. Or maybe they're just command attacks, her commanding damage onto someone. Anyway, bang was capable of easily killing human beings in one shot and if we assume it bypasses infinity, would likely one shot Gojo, due to how large the holes that are created in people's body are, especially with her spammable it is. Two Makima's ability to cause anyone she glares at to internally bleed and die. Like bang it's questionable whether or not this would bypass infinity, but it has a much better chance of doing so. If this is the case, it's likely it would one shot Gojo, I don't really see a way Gojo could effectively regenerate his brain manufacturing and his body bleeding internally. Her third telekinetic ability was when she pointed at the darkness devil and caused this transcendent devil to start bleeding severely. Which would likely be stopped by RCT however it would still hurt like hell. There is also her domination ability. Which is almost guaranteed to work against Gojo as there is nothing to suggest Makima wouldn't feel inferiority to someone she deems as a lower form of life. Makima deems ALL humans as beneath her, regardless of their strength, authority or status. Meaning she could theoretically control Gojo instantly leading to an immediate win for her. Edit: Oh yeah, I almost forgot. If their verses are equalised it would mean that Gojo could succumb to Makima's contract with the prime minister of Japan. As Gojo is likely a japanese citizen and the contract made between her and the prime minister is as follows "Per contract with the prime minister, attacks made on me will be changed into appropriate illnesses and accidents among Japanese citizens." Which would include Gojo. It would take a few million times but if Gojo kills Makima too many times, then Gojo will be killed essentially by his own attack. So if you give Makima the benefit of the doubt or give her any sort of preparation time against Gojo, it's likely her win against him is inevitable, I may Makima walks into fights against significantly stronger Devils, yet still defeats them take the Gun, Darkness or Chainsaw Devil. These are all fights against some of the most powerful in the CSM universe yet she engineered a plan to escape or defeat all of these devils. Makima defeated 20% of the gun devil with a combination of her contracts, one shotting it. Makima escaped the darkness devil via controlling a doll with a contract with the hell devil after severely injuring the darkness devil with a simple point of her finger. She even defeated Pochita with her forward thinking. By having Denji kill the Gun fiend that had taken the body of Aki, it had both made the entire world love chainsaws instead of fearing them AND was the stepping stone to finally breaking Denji's contract with Pochita, in order to fight and defeat him. Fast forward to their fight and Makima eventually overcomes Pochita by weakening him via making humanity love chainsaws and then throwing a usage 1000 year spear at Kobeni in order have Pochita take the hit and become mortally wounded which lead to even his defeat. So even if Makima is weaker and comes into this fight as the under dog. It doesn't mean she would definitely lose. Im convinced that if she believed Gojo was truly a threat then she would defeat him via preparation and forward thinking.

[@youness7975]

COOK!! also i think the sword that makima used to decapitate quanxi and her fiends could straight up oneshot gojo, because its not an actual sword swing, but straight up removing their heads from their bodies by existing

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

The biggest thing I disagree with here, is giving Makima all these powers/traits/abilities she isn't ever shown to have or use. But I know that there is some contention about what powers she has, so? I'll try to break these down. Blood Devil: Not very clear that she can do this, since power couldn't (as far as I remember) without injecting her own blood. She also very much so doesn't have this power- as this was the Devil power that beat her (which she could have negged, if she had her own blood control.) Stone Devil: This one is tricky, but it's specifically shown not to work on the Darkness Devil (likely due to the overwhelming strength gap, between the Darkness and Stone Devils.) So? I believe Gojo would likely neg this. But? Maybe not? She's never been shown to use this against anyone relevant, so there is no way to say this. Mold Devil: This would most likely work to deal very insignificant damage, but RCT would just negate (reverse) the damage, and poisonous effects. Making it mostly null. Angel Devil: We talked about this at length in the video, and I agree. Hell Devil: She doesn't have any evidence of possessing this devil, but if she did? Then it just comes down to if she could keep Gojo there without Gojo avoiding/negating/escaping it. Or just beating her before she pulls it. Eternity Devil: I'm pretty sure this Devil was dead last time we checked. So Makima probably hasn't had any time/reason to make a contract with it. But? Even if she did, start of CSM Denji forced the thing to commit "unalive" on it's self, from just pain. Which Gojo would just do but better. It's also not clear if Gojo even needs to eat. Cosmos Devil: This is literally just Gojo's own power basically- and? I don't think it's unreasonable to argue that if Gojo can already process- and provide similar cosmological data to people via Domain expansion, that he could process negate it himself. This is also again- as not a devil Makima is confirmed to have. Ritual: This only works if you believe Makima could use it anyone regardless of power (not confirmed or supported) As well as believing Gojo is dumb enough to let her take his name- find a sacrifice- do the hand movements- all of that? Before Gojo just kills the Sacrifice himself, or Makima. Hyrbids/Zombie Devil: These guys literally can't touch Gojo. So? I don't imagine they distract him much. Makima TK: Yes, her telekinesis would work on Gojo. But Gojo isn't a frail squishy human. And as we've seen with the Darkness Devil, and Nerfed Chainsaw Devil. You can 100% tank the damage of a "Bang". So with Gojo's durability enhancing cursed energy or Domain Amplification. I think she mostly just gets blocked. With stuff like the glare/bang only doing minor damage- that doesn't bypass RCT. Control Devil: Maybe. But you have to keep in mind, she didn't immediately dominate the Hybrid devils- even though she clearly see's them as humans as well. And? She didn't do this- because she could sense/detect their devil power (maybe by scent?) So. If Gojo either did something cool- or had a unique scent (with his magic energy, cursed eye balls, etc...) then Makima likely would be confused enough not to dominate him. Prime Minister Contract: If you want to be really pedantic about it, then yes? Gojo is a Japanese citizen from another reality? But they aren't the same Japan- or set in the same time period? So I see no reason to equalize this. But if you do, this turns into an epic legal battle-- where? I imagine Makima likely wins by rigging the courts. In terms of an overall breakdown? I do think Makima and her planning skills are mad underrated here. And? In a battle to the death- I do think their are ways she could win feasibly. However, as you already brought up- when Makima fights anyone strong- she needs a huge plan, tons of prep, and insight into her opponent to keep up. And even in THOSE situations? She only managed to win- 1 out of 3 times. She beat the 20% Gun. She ran away from the Darkness. And she lost to Pochita, even after nerfing him. Which IMO? Suggests Gojo- who has more experience fighting people who can deal with is hax. As well as more simply- 1v1 oriented abilities. Probably just takes it- because Makima would struggle too much, to ever get the advantage long term- with her limited resources. She could definitely escape like she did VS the Darkness Devil, but that's not really a "win" for Makima, as much as her quitting the fight. So? I'd say like- 80% of the time? Gojo probably wins, if I was guessing.

[@TomasBregman]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY This was mainly a hypothetical scenario where Makima is given all the devils capable of harming/killing Gojo. Makima would have easy access to all of these specific devils too due to them all being owned by public safety with the only exception being the eternity devil. However Makima is easily capable of controlling devils that have been killed. Even if she couldn't Makima could simply go and find devils and force them into a contract if she is given preparation time. The Blood Devil can very clearly do this, unlike Power. The blood devil is NOT limited to their own blood and can turn the blood of ANY person into a weapon impaling them. This would also bypass infinity as it attacking Gojo within. The stone devil, I agree likely wouldn't work but it isn't an impossibility as we simply do not know enough about the nature of how the stone devil operates. For the record, the darkness devil seemingly just killed the stone devil by summoning it via some unknown power or ability he has. It wasn't due to some power gap. The Mold Devil like you said wouldn't actually kill Gojo, it would at best be an annoyance but it would definitely bypass infinity. Which could lead to him spamming RCT which would essentially build up as even though he has enough CE to power all of the US for a year it still means he has a finite amount of energy. The Angel Devil would mainly cause an issue for Gojo if the usage 1000 year spear is used otherwise the chance of it working is 50/50. If it does work however, Makima could have the angel devil give weapons to her army which leads to it actually being a distraction. Hell Devil: May not be specifically owned by Makima but Makima definitely has access to it via her position in public safety + having all the necessary resources to summon it. And it would most definitely work on Gojo, the only question is whether or not he could escape (which is EXTREMELY unlikely) even with teleportation. Eternity Devil: Being dead doesn't prevent Makima from using this devil as she controlled the Zombie Devil after it was killed by Denji. Not only that but Makima could also just find and control the next eternity devil as they're concepts and cannot die in the truest sense. In part 2 the eternity devil when under the control of Fami (The Famine Devil, Makima's sister.) was no where to be seen and was completely hiding itself from being attacked, which is how Denji and gang escaped the last time. So essentially under Makima's control the eternity devil would simply have no reason to attack and Gojo would therefore have no ability to escape it. Eventually dying of starvation. The Cosmos Fiend is a tricky one (We don't know the abilities of the cosmos devil, which would likely be incredibly more busted.) However we don't how Cosmos' 'Halloween' ability would affect Gojo. There's one side where he isn't affected by his own UV and therefore wouldn't be affected by halloween due to being similar abilities and the other side being, that the two abilities are not similar enough to give Gojo to both abilities. Cosmos simply gives information of the entire universe, until you can only think of halloween. Gojo does not have the knowledge of the entire universe so it's not guaranteed it wouldn't work. Its more 70% chance it doesn't and 30% chance it does. Ultimately it comes down to how you personally interpret both of these abilities. The Ritual's only problem is as you said, finding out Gojo's name. Which could either be extremely easy or difficult. Gojo could cockily give it to her, or she could find out via her intelligence organisation and essentially knowing the names of random Japanese citizens could lead to her just knowing it with some unknown ability of hers. However if Makima cannot find out the name of Gojo then this technique is useless. Makima could easily use any devil hunters under her to be used as a sacrifice for the ritual. While her army of zombies and weapon devils distract Gojo via attacking random civilians, bypassing Gojo's infinity using Angel's weapon creations or having devil hunters under her control, slow Gojo down using the mold devil so she can perform her ritual in peace. Escaping the battle quickly using the spider devil or her animal teleportation ability. Makima's bang may be reduced but I doubt her weird glare would if it can just cause internal bleeding and extreme damage to the brain. Which is how RCT works, using the brain, if it is significantly damaged it becomes more and more difficult to use RCT. Makima had complete dominance over Quanxi and Reze in their interactions. Reze was terrified of Makima and attacked her, only to be killed by the Angel Devil. Quanxi immediately surrendered, if that isn't a sign of submission then I don't know what is. Makima could make characters like Angel fall immediately under her control which should apply to almost every character in csm with the only seeming exception being Pochita, which is her idol. Unless you can convince me Makima would somehow smell Gojo and think that he is above Pochita or equal to her then he is getting immediately controlled, even if he is more powerful. Nayuta the new control devil in part 2 of chainsaw man was capable of controlling Yoru the WAR Devil even though Yoru would annihilate her in a fight. Which shows it isn't about power. If we equalise the verse by making devils = to curses and their japans and time periods are the same. Then this is a strong argument for why Makima would win, especially if Gojo's hollow purple wouldn't work. If Gojo eventually found out how Makima's ability worked and decided to denounce his Japanese citizenship that would honestly be hilarious and I would pay to watch it, Makima would likely prevent this as she seemingly had control of all of Japan but seeing Gojo try this would be just another reason why Gojo is a loveable goat. In a straight up street fight, I'm pretty sure Makima would lose simply because she doesn't have all of her devils with her at once and the ones she does likely wouldn't be of much help. However give Makima preparation time and Im convinced her win is inevitable (which isn't really fair on Gojo but oh well.) Makima is crazy underrated, she essentially orchestrated and controlled almost every action in part 1. The only things she didn't predict in the entirety of chainsaw man part 1 was one Power coming back via having Denji drink her blood out of love as she cannot understand human emotions and Denji getting the jump on her, as she never once noticed Denji, she only ever saw Pochita giving him an opportunity to attack her as Denji was essentially invisible to Makima. Which is crazy to think since so many events took place in this short period of time. Makima escaped the Darkness Devil, as she gained never from killing him and came to hell solely to bring the cast back to earth which she succeeded in doing. Makima one shot the Gun Devil with great ease via combining contracts, but her ultimate goal was to break Denji which she again succeeded in. She even defeated Pochita. If not for power in her true devil form coming back she would of won after weakening the chainsaw devil and firing a powerful weapon capable of distorting space itself at him. She essentially lost because she could not understand love and caring for others, which is ultimately her greatest flaw and what caused her demise. She essentially won 3 times out of 4. Based on her goals and plans. She never wanted to defeat the darkness devil, so she didn't. She wanted to break Denji and weaken Pochita. So she defeated the gun devil and had it force its way into Aki. So Denji would effectively kill Aki and the Gun Fiend. Destroying Denji mentally and making Chainsaw a beloved super hero around the world, making him significantly weaker. Which she succeeded in. She ultimately defeated Pochita twice via the usage 1000 years spear and hand to hand combat. Which she succeeded in. But failed to enact her final plan which was to control the whole world with Pochita as she was stopped twice. Once by Power and second by Denji, who defeated and killed her. In a random interaction Makima would likely immediately control him giving her the win as she deems everyone including Gojo as inferior to her, the only exception being Pochita. Make them just randomly fight each other would lead to Gojo winning as Makima simply wouldn't have enough of her arsenal to win. Even a battle with most of Makima's known contracts and devils would have at best a 30% chance of winning, 20% chance if Makima can land a usage 1000 year spear on Gojo as her other devils and contracts would likely be useless against Gojo due to infinity and RCT. A 5% chance her bang working, only if she aims for Gojo's head which is unlikely as she never aims for the head and 5% chance Makima pulls off her weird combustion ritual, as one Makima would need to know Gojo's name, two would have to think that it is necessary in a fight (very unlikely due to her egoistical nature) and would need a distraction long enough to pull it off (which she could likely get if she uses the weapon hybrids and zombies to kill civilians. While giving them both preparation time and Makima's win is almost guaranteed.

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@@TUCKALMIGHTY Rereading this has made me realise that Makima never really had many consistent devils and contracts under her throughout chainsaw man. It changes and evolves from arc to arc. At the beginning of chainsaw man, we're aware of only one of her contracts, with a mysterious devil allowing her to kill anyone by simply knowing their name and having a sacrifice. Makima is then given full control over everyone in the special division which includes the Angel devil, Violence fiend, Spider Devil, Shark Fiend, Denji who is essentially contracted with the chainsaw devil, Aki who is contracted with the future and curse devil, Kobeni who is contracted with an unknown devil (theorised to be the monkey devil) and the blood fiend Power. After the bomb girl arc, Makima has gained control over Reze who is now part of her arsenal. Makima was able to contract with the hell devil, be it brief in order to send herself and the cast back to Earth. Makima forced Quanxi into submission, adding another weapon hybrid into her arsenal. It is then revealed that Makima has control of Kurose and tendo giving her the punishment devil and Aki's future devil, Sawatari's snake devil + the Spider and Angel devil. It is only towards the end that we find out the contract giving Makima almost complete immortality. The prime minister contract. In her battle with the full power Pochita she is shown having control of Reze the bomb hybrid, the spear Hybrid, Quanxi the bow hybrid, Katana Man, Sword Man, flamethrower hybrid and the whip hybrid. She is later seen using the zombie devil and has control of a devil hunter who is contracted with the mantis devil. Which is the last devil/contract that we are aware that she has. It is also very likely that Makima's true arsenal is MUCH bigger than we think it is. Which is just another problem with the Makima vs Gojo debate, we DO NOT know all of Makima's contracts, devils that are under her control and her full potential. Making it more difficult to justify Makima winning as we simply do not know her limitations.

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Sukuna only tanked the purples cause he himself said that he use DA (which is power nullification in the jjk verse)

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DA is power nullification. But it specifically nullified cursed techniques, not specifically implied to be the effects of cursed techniques. DA however IS explained to amp durability & physicals as well. So? Considering purple still removed his arms- it’s pretty likely DA just amped his durability to the point of tanking purple. (As opposed to fully negating the attack.) But it can be erasure if you think it is. It’s never confirmed one way or the other.

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​@@TUCKALMIGHTYI respect how respectful you are. Comment section could get wild and disrespectful, especially with things like this, but it's good to see you clearly agree or disagree with opinions without being unnecessary. I'm mostly thinking Makima has more win conditions, but I agree that things are misconstrued or unknown about both powers. Plus, we're still getting feats for both characters, so we just don't know yet.

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@@TUCKALMIGHTYwe know it actually is able to neutralize cursed techniques in general cause sukuna is able to partially nullify red and blue with DA

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literally the best video I've seen, you did such a good job explaining it.

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Thanks, we always appreciate it! Hopefully you'll enjoy some of our other content as well!

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12:58 Ngl, Gojo wouldn't scales to Jogo Metroid damages on couple buildings in Shibuya city. Due to Sukuna stated he would have get hurt by it, if he didn't dodge it. Gojo also would scales to Sukuna DE slashes, the same DE that destroyed 180 metres of Shibuya city, Because one slash of Sukuna Domain, sliced through his neck, would've completely sliced off his neck & kill him, if Gojo didn't use RCT quick, heal the damage & counter it. This is the same thing that Gojo did, when Sukuna DE sliced him up multiple times. And Makima attacks are faster than Gojo subconscious, so he would die before he can even use RCT. I think Gojo is Town lvl to Large Town lvl. Maybe Small City lvl, if you can calc the statement of Gojo CE can fuel the entire USA with electricity for a period of time, without Gojo bringing back all his CE through sleeping or RCT. 14:21 Nah, Hakari didn't dodged/reacted to Lightning multiple times. He got blitz by every time and even when he got faster due to his Domain, he still couldn't dodge Kashimo lightning at close range. So the best feat to use right now is Mach 3 statement. Gojo - Mach 3+ speed. 14:40 Can't really scale Gojo to FTL/+ speed with those scenes, Because Yuki black hole is stated to be surpassed by Tengen barrier and the black hole didn't reach it full capacity in size and strength. Sukuna didn't dodged Kashimo CT, Kashimo didn't use it yet, until Sukuna dodge it. This is shown in the manga panels. Sukuna move out of the way. We can't use the definition of real imaginary mass, to scale Gojo imaginary mass speed. Since fodder Hanami reacted to it at a good distance and she's around Subsonic/+ speed. Sukuna can react to it, while it was sent to him from Shibuya city to Shinjuku city. 4000+ metres. And he should be slightly above Mach 3. Toji didn't dodged/reacted to it at close range. But the thing is that Toji wasn't at his prime, so he wouldn't be Mach 3. And he can't sense CE, unlike the rest of cast, so he wouldn't prepare himself to dodge it. Just like how Sukuna & Hanami did. Doesn't have the enough speed to do it & him not having the ability to sense CE and it's activation. 20:42 Nah, the Mach 6 calc of Quanxi is very outdated and it's not calc properly. It's higher than that. The low ball of speed feat calc is in the High Hypersonic tier. And there's a update version where it's Mach 200, a very popular and valid anime content creator did it, he also said that it's likely higher. Very consistent with the MHS+ speed for Gun Devil and Quanxi was stated many times to be the strongest "humanity" have to offer in popularity poll and would win against every humans on Earth in a knuckle fight, if put into a tournament, This was stated by Kishibe. The guy that knows Quanxi for a long time and have the status of strongest Public Safety Hunter. (Not including Quanxi, because Quanxi resigned from it to before this statement was announced in the manga and she turned into an assassin & went to China to work for them) Makima wasn't showing her full power at that time, so she wouldn't get acknowledge & also laying low. and many public safety hunters have better feats than him in the manga. 20:55 Why are ppl using that Gun Devil speed feat to scales high tier characters of CSM, When we have more speed feats of Gun Devil in Gun Devil Arc. (Combat, Reaction & Attack Speed) and Makima reacted to his bullets and one shot him with an attack. Mach 1458+ (low ball) to Mach 4000+ of activing her ability, when GD already fired his bullets and already hit Angel Devil & Aki before 1 second pass, 500 kilometers away from each other. Mach 1458 using her an attack to kill Gun Devil, and this Gun Devil is at 20% power & was amps by USA PRESIDENT using Contract, reacted to this. Nah, Makima blitz Gojo and his verse as of right. 21:26 Makima would blitz him with raw strength. 21:33 Since you said if Gojo can't sense things at a subconscious level, Gojo will get blitz, since infinity being automatically, relies on Gojo subconscious perception. 22:30 Snake Devil should work, since he will faster than Gojo subconsciously. Makima used him, blitz and one shot Gun Devil. Weapons Hybrids should work since all of them are faster than Gojo. 23:32 Makima didn't die 28 times by the Gun Devil. She died one time, you can see the head shot. And 28 times Makima died is overall time she died in the story and lore. This is consistent since Makima stated the Pochita before the start of the series, killed her 20+ times and she don't understand why he's not eating her body to erase her. 28:08 Didn't Makima Telekinesis power hurt Darkness Devil and he had a barrier around him and Makima know about it, since she see what was going on in Hell. And lore between her & Darkness Devil, when she stated that DD is really trying to bring her to hell, by using her Division 4 members that was in hell. So I don't think Makima will care about infinity aka a Barrier + her power nevertheless bypass infinity and hurt him from the inside. 31:24 When was it stated that Gojo spiritual energy can purified things? And I also don't recall JJK characters having spiritual energy, they only have a soul that's it & CE is their power system. So that reasoning wouldn't work on Makima. Since Makima don't have a soul, she's a Concept and things like Santa Claus soul ability that changed normal humans in dolls, couldn't work on Devil Hybrids & Fiends. So logically, it wouldn't work on Devils in Devil Form. 32:29 Nah, it's literally stated that Makima was trying to break Denji contract with Pochita, by giving him things... Then when he's finally attach to them, she will destroyed them and make Denji have no purpose to live and will break the contract. She also didn't control Denji with her ability, she was using different methods of Manipulation. Nothing related to Pochita scary appearance. 32:47 Nah, technically Reze didn't fight Makima, since Makima the entire time mind set was talking about City and Country mouse & her friend that live somewhere else to Reze. She didn't attempt to fight Reze, the one that attempt to fight Reze was Angel Devil and Reze didn't know that Angel Devil was on a building, if I recall. Quanxi is different too. Since Quanxi already surrendered herself, and Kishibe & Yoshida were wearing cloth on their eyes, this means Makima was using her powers on Quanxi. Either by controlling her subconsciously and make Quanxi surrendered and say that she will leak her foot and be a dog, so her fiends can live. Either way again, we have seen Makima control Angel Devil instantly and acknowledge that his power is very powerful, in his backstory. Controlled Aki, Santa Claus favorite minion instantly and Nayuta aka a new control devil, controlled War Devil & Justice Devil taste instantly without fighting them So Makima control abilitiy is consistent with her saying She will control anyone she's feel superior to. She will insanely control Gojo. 34:54 Because their verse is weak, and Gojo isn't and wasn't the strongest in his verse. He giving himself a title that of him being the strongest in his verse doesn't matter. When Devils in CSM are embodiment of real concepts and ppl like Falling Devil can reverse Earth Gravitational force with her being on Earth surface. This is better than anything JJK cast done in their series. Chainsaw Man verse just scale higher than JJK verse and have better hax. Even every First Class countries presidents had to surrendered to Makima and the USA PRESIDENT stated that Makima is the embodiment of control, she knows every knowledge the Earth have + her remembering erased CONCEPTS & she will make mankind suffer the worst, if Makima still have Chainsaw Man at her side.

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12:58 This is pretty much just false. All of Gojo’s attacks should be far above Maximum Meteor both Narratively (since Jogo was literally so afraid of Gojo that he ran away from him on sight after Hanami’s death.) But also by feats. As Maximum meteor could only effect 15 Finger Sukuna. This Sukuna is highly implied to be on par with Yuta. (Since Yuji says Yuta could/should kill him if he goes rogue again.) Gojo is stronger than Yuta, and could tank attacks from 19 Finger Sukuna (who is exponentially stronger.) So, City Level is a minimum. 14:21 This also isn’t super accurate. As Hakari reacts to (literally looks at the lightning with his eyes) multiple times. And even manages to create a binding vow- after lightning had already connected with his face. As long as the contradictions with Mach 3 statement don’t matter? (Which Gojo upscales from) then? Yes, lightning timing is consistent. 14:40 The FTL scales are more contentious, and doesn’t really matter if Gojo scales to them. However? I will say- Kenjaku reacted to/stopped an object, stated to be an actual FTL Black Hole. And unless you think Kashimo is an idiot, who waits for his enemy to dodge his hand, before using FTL EM waves. Then his feat could at least be scaled to 1% SoL? Or some other Arbitrary Sub-Rel speed. I also see very little issue with using purple as SoL if you use this Meta. Since Kenjaku reacts to that Black hole, and is in a similar speed tier to the disasters (including Hanami) which would upscale all four of them as well. I personally think lightning timing is the most consistent meta in JJk. But, it’s up to interpretation. 20:42 This Quanxi calc is highly up to interpretation. I used Mach 6. Because some people incorrectly calc it, as Quanxi literally blitzing like? A building full of people. As opposed to her just blitzing a few public safety Devil hunters- then going on to handle the other people while they are off guard. Again? This doesn’t really matter, since Mach 200 is lower than the Mach 300 - 500 baseline for Makima. But for a lowball- Mach 6 is probably the safest (least charitable) valid speed scale for CSM speed, to compare with Mach 3 statement. 20:55 I don’t know why you bring this up. When I literally mention the exact scale you use here, in the video. I mention that Makima reacted to Mach 1500 as a “highball” for her speed. As it’s the highest calc she has. (If you want to call it Mach 4000 you can highball the JJK calcs as well.) 21:33 Yes, if Makima was a lot faster. I believe she could blitz. But I do not think she is. 22:30 Refer to point above, these Devils don’t blitz. 23:32 This? Might be true? The panel literally says “Makima’s 29th recorded death” so? It’s either talking about lore- or Makima getting killed over and over. (Which is exactly how her power works? So? Take it however you like.) 28:08 I agree with this, and bring it up as a win con. Her AP just isn’t high enough to beat Gojo’s RCT IMO. 31:24 I don’t remember if it’s made clear. But the devils may just resist it due to their power (not soul null) However? Yes, cursed energy exorcises curses- sorcerers killed without cursed literally turn into cursed spirits, so? Yes, it can attack the soul (as a potential win con.) 32:29 This is silly. Makima was afraid of Chainsaw Man’s power. Hence why she broke Denji’s spirit, to bring Pochita out, and battle him. (Because she wasn’t confident in her ability to beat him, aka? Scared of him- despite his weak human vessel.) 32:47 I agree with this. It’s very consistent that she can control anyone who she BELIEVES is weaker than her. But she has to BELIEVE it. Which is why she- or someone else weaker than her? Almost always fights (or challenges) the Devil hybrids for her control. If she could detect Gojo’s power level (or was just confused because it was different than a Devil.) Then she would not believe in her own superiority. 34:54 The verse isn’t exactly weak. And Gojo both was & is, the strongest sorcerer of his era. Literally number 2 in the whole verse as of now. And while Devils may be the embodiment of real concepts. Cursed spirits embody fear as well (Jogo is volcanoes, Mahito is fear of man, Hanami is fear forests, etc…) While you can definitely argue Makima and Gojo are close in terms of stats. You can’t highball Makima stats more than Gojo. As Gojo can be absolutely over hyped to Planet+ from Blackhole scaling. Where as Falling Devil (who is stronger than Makima) has a debatably multi-continental feat? Maybe? And while Makima intelligence may counter domain expansion. I don’t think her few advantages are enough to beat out Gojo’s insane Hax, Infinity, regen, and spacial manip. Those are just my thoughts though, thanks for the well thought out comment. And I hope this cleared up any misconceptions!

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@@TUCKALMIGHTY 1. What I meant to say is that Gojo overall strength/durability wouldn't scales to Jogo Metroid damages. Gojo direct abilities will counter the Metroid. Mostly Hollow Purple I'm talking about. (Attack Potency) & Infinity. Jogo was afraid of 15 Fingers Sukuna too. He only fought Sukuna to land a hit on him and make Sukuna join his team. Even Jogo himself doesn't scale to his Meteriod. This is similar to Yuki black hole. 2. All the lightnings hit Hakari, before him reacted to them. Example of Binding vow feat: I can see a car coming towards me at insane speed, I couldn't react to it and got hit by it, but somehow survive it & can move later, due to it not giving me enough damage to kill me. Hakari used binding vow using his own speed. Which isn't close to lightning speed. Isn't faster than Mach 3. 3. I ain't saying Kashimo is an idoit. I'm saying that Sukuna move faster than Kashimo regular speed, and then Kashimo attacked the spot, where Sukuna was previously at using his CT. Edit: I fixed this sentence 👆 Kashimo wouldn't see Sukuna in his perception, due to Kashimo is slower than him, even with Sukuna being weakened. This is similar to Angel Devil, he have an attack that can blitz slightly weakened Pochita, who scales above Makima in speed. But Angel Devil regular speed isn't on their lvl and he would get blitz by Pochita, before he can activate the attack and make it travel to Pochita. Makima stalled Pochita and took advantage of Kobeni being aside to him... used Angel Devil attack on Kobeni, Pochita had enough speed to block the attack & got one shot. The stalling Makima used on Pochita, didn't make Pochita blitz her before Makima attacked him. 4. The thing for Quanxi feat is that she blitz regular humans and dolls, going at long distances, (Travelled to a different district, entire in a building, travelled to the next floor & stopped) and made time stopped for the dolls. Then we go back to the public safety hunters talking and didn't even realize that there face were already sliced & they were death. This is why Pingsti stated a corpse is talking towards them, before Quanxi attack & blitz them. The calc is made by Manifestedvor. Gojo does have a similar feat like Quanxi, but the difference is that he took 5 minutes to kill 1000 Curses inside a small train station. Which is calc at Subsonic/+ due to the him taking 5 minutes to blitz them. This further back to Aki saw the future 5 seconds before Quanxi attacked and could react to her, same with Angel Devil, but they got knocked out. This will bump up both of them near Quanxi speed. 5. I'm not highballing Makima speed to Mach 4000+ She is Mach 4000+. Fujimoto gave us timeframe, distance of them away from each other and what time they active their abilities. So I used that and made a calc of her speed. 500 km away from each other. Gun Devil active his ability and fired it towards them & before 1 second pass, he hit & killed Angel Devil and Aki. During this period, Makima never got shot yet, and in the panel you see it stated that Makima actived her ability the same time Angel Devil & Aki was killed and shift her body + her head slightly to the other side. We got 3 panels in the 1 second timeframe. 0.33 second for each panel will add up to one second. Using that, we can find how fast those bullets that hit Angel & Aki and also find Makima speed. 500km/0.33 second = Mach 4000+) (Gun Devil bullets that killed Angel & Aki) (Makima active her ability & shift her head) 500km/1 second = Mach 1458 (One bullet head shot Makima) 6. Snake Devil & Punishment Devil moved at Mach 1458 speed & kill Gun Devil. Timeframe & distance are in the Gun Devil Arc. Weapons Hybrids are around Pochita level of speed. Spear Devil spear blitz him in mid air. Whip Devil hit him with her whip. Quanxi is similar in speed to Weakened Denji, who is relative to Makima speed. Flamethrower Devil hit Pochita with his flamethrower flames. Reze caught Pochita, by using her explosion blast to increase her speed. Katana Man & Sword Man are the only ones that are not around his speed. But Sword Man in Base, could active his hybrid starter, while Base Quanxi is blitz him, Whip Devil & Spear Devil (Base) 7. You don't need AP to destroyed a person brain indirectly. Brain is a soft tissue in durability and heavy in mass. Makima Telekinesis will one shot Gojo. 8. Ok, CSM Devils are resistance to soul based hax, even tho they don't have a soul. which means JJK soul based abilities are useless on CSM DEVILS. 9. When was it stated that Makima is afraid of Chainsaw Man? Every other devils fear his ability/hax, because they don't want to get erase from EXISTENCE. Makima on the other hand, didn't fear his power. She's a simp for him, and wouldn't mind if Pochita eats her, become one with him & erased her. She just acknowledge his power, just like Angel Devil. But she doesn't actually fear Angel Devil, not even Pochita. When she's fighting him, she was happy. (First encounter) When she command them, and said whoever kill Pochita will go on a date with her, she was happy in this moment. when Pochita killed Quanxi, Sword Man and Katana Man, she smiles while saying this is unwinnable. When she was blasting him to space, she had a happy face. When Pochita took out his heart in space, she had a happy face. When Pochita captured her with chains and about to kill her in mid air, she had a happy face. When she on top of the building, she one shot him with Angel Devil hax, and then she was disappointed. When she captured his heart, she was happy & was cuddling with him. She's is a simp for him and if she wins against him, she will use him & erased certain devils in the timeline and create a new world for humans. 10. Inverse, Gojo is one of the top tier characters in terms of who is strongest. But when your comparing him & the verse to other verses that are scale higher than JJK. He would be weak among them. CSM verse scales higher than JJK verse. Falling Devil is Planetary lvl, she reverse Earth Gravitational force with her mere appearance on Earth alone. Basically had enough force to stop Earth rotation. Primal Devils are in same tier as Falling Devil. Makima could go toe to toe with one. Fami can use Falling Devil in fights. Fami acknowledge that War Devil at her strength can go toe to toe with Death Devil. And she stated that Chainsaw Man is too weak in current time, due to Makima plans of making him a hero & stop humans from fear him & her too was making Chainsaw Man power weaker due to her CHAINSAW MAN CULT, is no match for Death Devil, the king of Terror that rules the entire Hell. Death Devil is also automatically on the same tier as Primal Devils, if not higher than them. Remember, Pochita at his Prime could go toe to toe with Death Devil, Makima, Fami & War Devil FP, Nuclear Devil and Weapons Hybrids. Killed Makima 20+ times in Lore, defeat War Devil and erase things that is related to her. Got hurt so badly, he had to go to a death form & changed his appearance & travel to Earth. Which scales him to Death Devil at prime. 11. No, you can't scale Gojo to Planetary lvl. Kenjaku one of top tier characters would've got one shot by the Black Hole, that is surpressed by Tengen barrier. Gojo doesn't scale to it, either by physical strength, AP or hax. Infinity won't block a black hole, since Gojo got one shot by a technique that tears space. Black Hole tears space too.

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1.) This just isn’t true? And or, doesn’t make much sense. Jogo can/did summon the Maximum meteor with his own power. And while yes? His punches don’t scale to it. His AP does? Because it’s literally his own attack lol. The reason why Gojo out scales it though. Is because Sukuna (15F) implies it would only “hurt” him. Not kill him. Where as Gojo is equal to a much stronger Sukuna. Implying at least City Level physicals. Or? In the Yuki case. Planet level, because Kenjaku briefly tanked the force of this hole before negating it. And Gojo should- be all accounts, have stronger techniques than Yuki (as Yuki is never implied to have any “Gojo level” traits.) 2.) This just literally isn’t how the scenes played out. The binding vow, is most significant. Because Kashimo says/implies many times, that a single bolt to the head will 100% kill jackpot Hakari. And when this bolt connects- it is literally in the process of killing Hakari (by exploding his head) but he is able to use a binding vow (before the lightning fried his brain, which would negate his cursed techniques) which? Saved his life- and backs up lightning timing reactions. This is also true for other feats- such as Hakari literally looking at the lightning when it’s first used- and dodging out of the way (so it tags his arm, instead of his face.) Gojo is much faster than this Hakari, so? His Lightning timing meta is pretty solid IMO. 3.) What I’m saying here, is the Kashimo wouldn’t just constantly be letting Sukuna aim dodge (and the technique wouldn’t be hyped up as it is) if Sukuna is just dodging his hand, before the move is ever released. And even if he was? Unless you think Kashimo literally just stands around- not firing his technique, after we already see him clearly trying to use it on Sukuna. Then Sukuna even scaling to 1%? 0.1%? Of a SoL feat. Is still better than- or similar to what Makima has shown us. With Gojo’s eyes likely making him even faster (in terms of perception.) 4.) This is just sort of irrelevant. I was using it as an easy low ball for Makima’s speed. This feat being Mach 200+ doesn’t really matter, since Makima has better. The reason I think it’s more like Mach 6 or so? Is purely because her “blitz” on the dolls and others- is preformed from behind (besides those four public safety officers.) So? Calcing the blitz on the officers (not the off guard dolls.) You get Mach 6-10 ish. 5.) Mach 4000+ is an extreme highball. Because you’re conflating cinematic timing with the actual amount of manga panels. The fight takes place in 1 second. Makima gets shot (which is reasonably calced to about Mach 1500) and then it’s over. Mach 4000+ makes weird assumptions like that every panel is .33 seconds- just because they all must be equal?? It’s silly. Mach 1500 is a fine highball for Makima, there’s no reason/need to try and go higher with it. 6.) Makima Devils can scale to her. That’s fine? We see the Angel devil’s powers work substantially better under Makima’s control- so? It’s likely she amps them (as you suggested earlier, with how Angel can tag Pochita.) 7.) Not true. This is fiction we’re talking about. Characters can have a variety of defenses for things like that. And JJK characters are no exception. Gojo can protect his brain with cursed energy/domain amplification. Even ignoring, that he can heal it with RCT. 8.) It’s fine if you believe this. I bring it up in the video, as a potential option for Gojo. Since? I was obviously being thorough Lol. 9.) This is sort of weird? But basically. When I say she’s “afraid” of chainsaw man. I mean she is literally incapable of viewing herself, on his level due to his power. She’s a “fan” of his. As Makima put it. So while it’s not “fear” in the traditional sense. She clearly wanted Pochita’s power. And couldn’t take it from Denji, without first beating Chainsaw man in a fight- because she was literally 100% confident that Pochita could kick her teeth in. 10.) Gojo lore obviously doesn’t apply to Chainsaw man. But? Why I bring it up- is because Gojo often upscales from weaker feats. Where as Makima is often left to downscale, or scale similar to feats. And while you could argue CSM > JJK as a verse? You’d have to prove it- which I don’t feel like is backed up by the feats. With Makima & Gojo having similar showings- but Gojo’s portrayal. Of scaling directly above those city (or planet) level feats, like Jogo Meteor & 15 F Sukuna Domain. As opposed to Makima- who can still be killed/harmed by Gun/Darkness/Chainsaw Devil. And? Debatably is weaker than all of them at max power. (Besides maybe the Gun) So all of her city level feats- come from her being sort of close to characters? Like nerfed Pochita- (who we both obviously agree, is not equal to prime Pochita or the Primals in any way.) As opposed to massively power cliffing them- like Gojo does in his series. 11.) Yes? You can scale Gojo to planet level. Is it a bit of a reach? Yeah. But? No more so than the Falling Devil calcs (which I also brought up in this video.) Kenjaku- who is so much weaker than Gojo that he and five equally strong characters didn’t want to try and stall him for even a few minutes. Tanked the initial effects of a Blackhole- and NEGATED it with his Gravity technique. (Meaning he could overwhelm it- and withstand it to some extent.) As for the nerfs? Tengen’s barrier was only keeping the Black Hole contained. Where as Yuki was actually the one nerfing it (to try and avoid killing literally everyone.) But? Kenjaku is as I said- MUCH weaker than Gojo. And? So is Yuki. The girl who preformed the feat. So there’s no reason to assume- Gojo’s strongest techniques don’t possess a similar level of AP (because no one rivals Gojo in JJK besides Sukuna.) The Black hole might work on Gojo obviously if Yuki tried it. But considering Gojo has his own spacial manip? And weaker gravity could neg that Black Hole. I think Blue/Purple/Red overwhelm it as well. These are again- Just my thoughts. But I believe Makima has too large of a hurdle to overcome with stats + Infinity. To actually beat Gojo. Where as Gojo? Just has to punch her- a lot of times? Ignoring all his other options. Gojo could feasibly just Box Makima to death. Where as Makima would have to breakdown, and dissect Gojo’s abilities- to try and find any counter in her arsenal. (With Bang being the only thing she tries early in character- that might actually harm Gojo.) But while she does have a few other methods? They aren’t any where near guaranteed W’s IMO? (Angel Weapons, Control Powers, Etc…) So, yeah. I’d still give it to Gojo.

[@tylerbeauchamp2949]

I maybe crazy but it said 0.2 seconds for Gojos domain expansion killing 1,000. Which for the entire Japan population in 1997 is 2.9 days. I could be wrong but 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Gojo didn't use his 0.2 second domain to kill the 1,000 transfigured humans. He used his domain to freeze them, then physically ripped them apart over the course of 299 seconds. But yes, technically speaking. If Gojo was allowed to attack the citizens of Japan (and not just Makima) then he could use 0.2 second domains to speed things up. Although? He can only use them so many times per day, so? The exact amount it would shorten is unquantifiable. Hope that answers your question!

[@tylerbeauchamp2949]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY it did thank you!

[@markesquire6470]

He said gojo has fought many characters who can bypass his infinity at 34:43. Apart from Toji, which other characters has he beat that can bypass infinity?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Most people tend to forget, since it’s only really explained in chapters 7 & 8. But basically, anyone with domain expansion or it’s condensed version domain amplification. Can hit Gojo. This includes all the disaster curses & special grade sorcerers. And of course? Any character with a special cursed technique/tool, can bypass Infinity as well. This includes Sukuna, Mahoraga, Miguel, and Toji like you mentioned. So yeah, Gojo has some decent experience fighting other characters who can hit him. Especially with weapons. Hope that answers your question!

[@DasnotHIM]

And there my dumbass that still doesn't understand how Denji could even kill Makima in the manga

[@stricknit]

Denji loved her, despite everything she did he still loved her, what he did wasn't an attack, was love. Even Pochita feel pity for her since he never wanted to erase her.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Pretty much this ^^^ Denji ate Makima after negating her healing with Power’s Blood. But because he loved her, and had forgiveness for her- even after everything. Makima was able to give up and reincarnate into Nayuta. If the Chainsaw Devil by itself ate her, she would’ve been erased. So? It’s actually quite a bit better for the story- in this case. Showing how Denji & Pochita help each other out.

[@limbo9993]

LESSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOO Anyway, amazing video! This is a really cool fight that I always love seeing analyzed, so I loved seeing your interpretation - and honestly, my own is pretty similar. But I'll explain my own main thoughts anyway. Stats: Yeah, Gojo takes this. Even on the low end, he scales above City - Mountain Level feats which surpass everything in CSM that aren't the absolute high ends. And if you give Gojo his own high ends, then he's just straight up Planetary - Large Planetary. I, for one, do buy Planet Level Gojo and Sukuna, but it really isn't super important as you said. However, it will be something that could be useful later so do keep in in mind. Speed is similarly in Gojo's favor. Gojo scales above the Mach 3 and Mach 384 (which I've seen be calced anywhere from 500 - 4270) values so his FTL scaling isn't really refuted by them That combined with the numerous FTL arguments for him like the Black Hole, EM Waves, and Hollow Purple, make me buy it as a solid speed scale. Makima doesn't really have that, and even if we grant her the Mach 1,500 arguments, she would still be over 580 times slower than Gojo. So onto their important abilities, and I'll start with Gojo like you did. Infinity: Yeah, this makes most of Makima's abilities useless. All of her physical attacks fail, so she has to rely on other abilities. I'd also like to note that the argument of the control chains being intangible doesn't work as Infinity can block out Cursed Spirits, some of which can become intangible. The telekinesis should work as it doesn't travel, but Gojo's Durability is wayyyy higher than Makima's AP so it wouldn't do much anyway. Infinity being determined by his speed is also a bit contentious imo but he's faster anyway so it isn't really an issue. Hollow Purple: This might work depending on how you look at it, as Hollow Purple is... weird. From my understanding, the imaginary mass is created from infinite convergence and divergence, basically like if Pain from Naruto hit you with Almighty Push and Universal Pull at the same time, but with infinite power output for each (and if both affected you from all angels). Gojo's abilities are impossibilities, such as negative space and overlapping space, and so the only way to solve opposite mathematical impossibilities is with an imaginary solution that simply removes the impossibility and turns it to 0 via using the opposite infinities. You can describe it as existence erasure, but imo it's more aptly spatial and spiritual erasure (as it works on spirits). Sukuna tanking it just shows that he can resist said affects, which isn't contradicted by anything. Thus, Makima, who can't resist these abilities, would have her physical form reduced to 0. Makima's contract transfers her wounds to people, but what if there is no wound? We don't know, so it's kind of a 50/50 imo. Immeasurable Void (yes this name is the coolest translation): This also has a possibility of doing something, though idk to what extent. It floods the brain with infinite information, and while Makima can remember things that can't exist, those things are still finite, so she should be affected. The contract kind of makes this not matter though, as the mental damage should just transfer. However, Makima can't get out of the Domain Expansion imo as it has Power Null so I don't think she can summon any devils or have one do her bidding while in there. So she would just keep dying over and over. However, if we use the 0.2 second timeframe for killtime - Gojo would need to keep his Domain up for 291 days which he can't do. So it really wouldn't amount to much in the end. Exorcism: Yeah this is interesting, and it comes down to how much you equalize the verses. If you think that Gojo's Excorism would work, then he stomps. If you don't, then it's irrelevant. AP: This isn't an ability but more of just a win-con, but if Gojo is above Country Level (which he is imo) he could just blow up Japan. He would have to figure out the contract first, but if Gojo sees people start dying he may suspect something. This isn't very likely but it's funny nonetheless. Onto Makima Control: This isn't working tbh. Because first of all, Makima may not recognize Gojo or sense his abilities, but people in JJK have been able to tell that he's special just from his presence and general vibe. Even if that doesn't apply and she controls him, RCT would just refresh his brain and he'd break out. Makima would notice this, and this mysterious ability would make her not immediately think of herself as superior and it stops working. Or Gojo realizes what she is doing and shows off his power by blowing her up and it stops working. Angel Devil: While it's possible that it could recreate the Cursed Weapons, there really isn't a basis for this. None of the Angel Devil weapons have Power-Null so idk if they could work, and assuming that it could make something like that is kind of eh? Though the spear thing can warp space, Sukuna's Slash is a bit more complex than that so you can't completely equate the two imo. It's possible, but I don't think it's super likely, at least from an objective standpoint. Spider Devil: There is actually another win-con in this, that being she could try to BFR Gojo into hell via a portal, however I don't think it would ever reach him so it probably wouldn't work anyway, and Gojo could probably just fly out as he's falling into it via his speed advantage. Just thought I would mention it though. Telekinesis: While yes, it is very possible that it would bypass Infinity, she just doesn't have the AP to really damage him that much. Anything she can do to him gets healed by RCT. I don't really see anything she could do to him on to really put him down, as even organ damage can be healed by RCT. And with his nigh-infinite stamina, he'll put her down eventually. Eternity Devil: This thing can control the space and time of an area that it turns into its own dimension. If this could affect Gojo, then it's a serious problem. It would target the space around Gojo so it could potentially trap him in the dimension. However, Domain Expansion has power-nullification so Gojo could likely use it to get out of the space, or he could maybe teleport out. He could also just kill the Eternity Devil if he really needs to, so I think he can get around it. Ritual: This has really only been shown to work on weaker foes, and it requires a bit of prep which Gojo can stop by just blitzing her. It might work on Gojo, but I don't think it would via Makima just never bothering to use it on anyone significant. Verdict: While a crafty and super haxed fighter, Limitless, Stats, Six Eyes, RCT, and Hollow Purple give Gojo the kit he needs to put Makima down for good. It would likely take a while, but Gojo's got everything he needs to see this through to the bitter end more often than not. Throughout heaven and earth, and now even hell, Gojo Satoru alone is The Honored One.

[@josephvaccariello4181]

already a big mistake at the 5 min mark. It was stated that gojo doesnt actually have infinite ct or RCT if he is injured 2 much or he uses 2 many big moves he will run out it just makes it a lot harder to run out. This is shown in the sukuna fight as noted cause the black flashes actually rejuvenate him a bit. I also love how when you use that calc to see how many lives gojo could take in x amount of time and upscaling it you legit show the scene of gojo out of breath and fatigued proving that he has nowhere near infinite stamina. Combine this with gojo likely using his domain to see if it works after he kills makima a few times and then makima just tp away via spider+future devil wasting it and thus making gojo able to be attacked physically (which i am pretty sure makima and her devil army could beat gojo into the ground like a true jujukiasen jumping) or like even if she is caught in it she sees it coming and gives her devils orders to break it from the outside. We also know for a 100% fact that cursed energy unless you have special spirit based abilities cannot hit the soul directly and even then souls have durability even when against soul manip so that win con is useless. His first win con is useless cause he doesnt have infinite stamina and her contracts prevent his third win con from being possible. I have no idea how you disproved most of gojo win cons in the vid yet also side with him. All thats likely going to happen is gojo gets cocky or makima just figures out the ability after a bit (portal making abilites tp ect are in her wheelhouse so gojo infinity is not gonna be hard to figure out) Then she may be able to after a few of her shots are healed off and gojo instinctively blocks an attack aimed at his head via putting his arm in the way she just now knows to go for the head and eventually finishes him off.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

So? This is a bit of a misinterpretation of the things I was saying here. While I agree with a few of the points you make here (which I mention in the video) The idea of Gojo having "infinite" stamina, is not what I suggested. With my claim at the 5-ish minute mark, being that Gojo specifically can't run out of cursed energy. Which? If you read the panel at around the 4-ish minute mark his student Yuta literally says- and I quote. "I can run out of cursed energy, but he doesn't." So yes, his quantity of cursed energy is less than a 1/4 of Sukuna's-- not in any way infinite? However- besides the use of Spam Domain expansion (more than 5 in a day) we have NEVER seen anything that caused Gojo to run out of CE, or RCT. (With him being cut in half, stopping the production of his cursed energy, as all cursed energy is made in the naval area. This wouldn't be him running out, just having his technique negated.) The Black Flashes restore Gojo's stamina, because he had already overworked himself with Domain Expansion (which as we see, is over working his brain). As it's stated that Black Flashes increase cursed energy output to 120% for a period, after the initial 2.5x multiplier. Gojo is also never shown to be like- super exhausted in the Manga? Just in the anime version. But, again- stamina and cursed energy are not the same- as Gojo can restore stamina, with CE (through RCT) which as far as we know? He won't run out of. Also? As for the win cons-- I believe all of them have their own mini-debate's within for sure For example, Yuji can punch Mahito's soul with CE, highly implying that Gojo can damage the soul as well. Despite some characters lacking this ability. Or the Idea of Domain expansion not working (which I agree, probably won't work despite the counter argument) being refuted by things like the cosmo-fiend working on Santa Claus. As I said in the video though, I lean with Gojo- due to slightly better stat scaling? An ability that won't ever run out of stamina? And a far more straight forward win con (beating up makima) as opposed to Makima's only option? Which is to understand, Counter, and defeat infinity-- before even getting a chance to fight Gojo (who is still very strong, without the ability) Hope that answered your questions though, thanks for the comments.

[@josephvaccariello4181]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY we do know he will run out of it tho. Even if it's a small cost it's still a cost and eventually likely way before he can kill makima. It's the neutral infinity that is the only negligent ct usage in his kit. If blue or red was the same he would just spam them like a machine gun. His rct is also limited as shown when its stated he was going to run out this means he would 100% run out of ct and rct way before the wildly generous times scaling of kills you gave since they are relative atleast in speed and gojo feat you scaled him to was vs fodder. How can you think makima wont just land a few bangs on gojo head or just point and turn his brain to mush in the many years such a fight would take for gojo to win. You are kinda basing his infinite stamina on a no limits fallacy and it's been disproved by the sukuna fight (yes ik that ct and rct output is different then stamina but it may as well be since if he burns his output down via spamming of his moves he dies from strain on the brain or just makima)

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

We know yuta says that Gojo's usage of Cursed energy (perpetually) is infinitesimally small. Meaning? That it won't ever amount to anything no matter how much of it he uses (at least in teams of raw CE) Neutral Infinity was a low CE cost ability before as well, that put a lot of stress on the brain. But after it was made automatic? We basically hear nothing about It's cost- or the other limitless costs, short of red being twice as much as blue? And blue's output- likely being infinitely small- since? Why wouldn't Yuta have been mentioning? Gojo's main cursed technique in his statement, about Gojo's stamina. As for running out of RCT. This happened because of damage to his brain? Which, as we learned- is where the RCT stems from. So to use the power-- (healing) your brain can't be fried like it was for Gojo against Sukuna (due to the spam domains.) When it comes to the battle though? Assuming Makima is allowed to use the Japanese citizens, Gojo should also be allowed to target them (which he can deal with faster than the transfigured super humans) OR you can just say, that every little scratch Makima takes equals one death? Since one punch of damage from Gojo, would kill any human. Considering that the calc I had (for a Gojo who was trying to protect civilians, and avoid collateral) , suggested the fight wouldn't last any longer than 14-ish months? I believe Makima would struggle to have any clear counters for infinity, where as Gojo can avoid- or block her best projectiles quite easily (since they're the only things that can hurt him, without a contract) And? Any "Bangs" that hit, will be healed up quickly- since Makima could barely hurt Denji with multiple spams of this move. When it comes to a no limits fallacy though? I'm not saying Gojo can't run out of RCT, Stamina, or Life force. But, I am saying, Makima (unlike Sukuna) doesn't have the tools to pressure that kind of stamina depletion out of Gojo. Sukuna had 4x the cursed energy of Gojo, Two cursed techniques, and a Domain expansion- that basically served as a spam insta KO button, forcing Gojo to spam Domains & RCT for most of the fight. Makima on the other hand? Basically just has TK & Angel Devils weapons, alongside maybe some BFR stuff. And without Domain Amplification? She can't do anything hand to hand, unarmed. Couple all that, with the fact that Makima can also run out of her own win cons (her devils can be destroyed/Angel runs out of life span/runs out of citizens.) Then? I'd say the most consistent option, is to vote for the guy- who's more consistently "limitless" in terms of defense/resources, as well as all the slight edges he has- in terms of AP or potential skill.

[@AllBladesCut]

Makimas bang isn’t telekinesis. We don’t know what it really is but there isn’t enough information to conclude it would be telekinesis.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

It’s never said right out- but it operates almost exactly like what we would call Telekinesis. It would be like if someone had a black object, with a trigger, amo, and explosions came out of the end. But they never called it a gun. I mean? Sure- it could be different. But it’s really unlikely that it operate super differently, from what we’ve already seen.

[@bignoob2726]

Bang is a troll move. Just to remind everyone

[@AllBladesCut]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY actually there's enough evidence to conclude it isn't. The hold made behind power after she was shoot, and move continuously more denji upwards when fired the the direct her blood spit when after she used it on her hand.

[@AllBladesCut]

Also usually in debates like this there has to be substantial evidence to prove something is instantaneous otherwise its a no limit fallacy so even without the proof I gave there would still need to be a statement or feat to back up that it is Indeed instantaneous. Just wanted to bring this up cause I've seen the misinformation floating around for quite sometime.

[@helpimbeingstalksbythequee8998]

I think the second outcome of the de win con isnt valid because of how it works its a infinite repeat of of finite information seen when gege explained it not all the information in the world

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is true, I don’t explain it super well in the video. But yes, if you believe Makima has an amped brain, that can take multiple years of info quickly- then she’d be able to survive it.

[@bignoob2726]

Makima's brain is resistant to concept erasure and receives deity levels in processing ability. It's not even a human brain on top of all that.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I don't disagree, hence why I mentioned it in the domain expansion section.

[@devilfruitenjoyer2930]

People are ignoring recent information regarding how Gojo’s “spam” works. Even though his cursed energy can’t run out it’s directly explained that his brain will become fried or damaged and he won’t be able to go forever. Especially not 120,000,000 times

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This really isn’t entirely true. Gojo’s brain is only fried by very niche, very specific ability. Mostly, just domain expansion from what we actually know. Gojo can get tired, and his brain can become over worked. But only if Makima could pressure him- a lot (or force him to use domain 5+ times a day, which? Is unlikely.) Atleast IMO.

[@AllBladesCut]

No gojos brain only fired cause he give himself brain damage via destroying the frontal cortex of his brain over and over again to get his domain back. Otherwise he does have infinite energy.

[@revtheyoutuber1327]

Wasn't gojo breathing heavily after defeating the 5000 unarmed, slow and weak creatures

[@revtheyoutuber1327]

Pretty sure makima would have found a way to beat him after a week

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is debatable? Since it’s not made super clear in the manga. But yeah Gojo, at least in the anime? Was a little bit fatigued by killing the transfigured humans (who keep in mind, are still as strong as regular, weak curses) As for Makima coming up with a plan? It really depends on how many abilities you think she has that would work on Gojo. And how close you believe the stats to be.

[@OtakuB.Jordan]

So let’s think here for a second if gojo is considered a Japanese citizen out of all those millions of lives Makima transfers pain too wouldn’t gojo basically end up killing himself eventually……..

[@arminkir9389]

Based on the contracts MAKIMA has agreed I’d say she wins people say Gojo is immune to mind manipulation which he kinda is but just like his de I don’t think Gojo could keep refreshing his brain from a literal infinite amount of information the manga says Gojo keeps refreshing his mind theirfore he’s invulnerable to mind attacks cause the attack would just yk leave his brain but with infinite amount of info his brain would just keep processing information then freshing the information again and again and again So here’s my fight it the battle started off cannonicly wise MAKIMA would go for the kill just like she did against power quanxi and denji She would use the cosmo devil to infiltrate gojos brain forcing him to say Halloween we’ll forever and if you think makimas bang can’t hurt Gojo when I think it can then he’ll just die from that old age If you think it does MAKIMA aims at his head and Gojo is dead I think pochita has more durability then Gojo because the war devil is said to have the potiental to stop the prophecy which means defeat the death devil aka the strongest devil in chainsaw man above falling devil who has continental feats and pochita was able to fight onpar with all the four horsemen Compared to Gojo who only has like mountain to city level ap and ap=durability Theirfore to me MAKIMA simply wins

[@mrcannibalhunter526]

23:53 You said she couldn't come back if she was erased from existence. Would you count getting atomized by Hollow Purple as her getting erased from existence?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Like I sort of mentioned. This is debatable, since we never see her get atomized. But? It's not at all impossible to suggest, that Makima can't heal- without a part of her body left. (But you could also argue she regens from the soul, which? Would imply she can regen from it, so take it with a grain of salt.)

[@Replied_ByMeatr1der5]

That isn't what being erased means buddy 💀. Even tho your physical form would be destroyed, the matter you held would continue to exist

[@chiaki.hayakawa18]

​​Yeah HP killed Toji, but it didn't erased his soul. This was shown in Shibuya arc, where old granny collect Toji DNA if I recall and turned her grandson into Toji. Toji spirit took control of his body and wonders why this happened. This is why GEGE wrote the dialogue of the body and soul are different/same through Kenjaku and Mahito This contradicts the things JJK Fandom made about HP being existence eraser/matter existence whenever @@Replied_ByMeatr1der5

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is actually not true (or more accurately, not backed up by anything) if you actually read the manga. Purple at a minimum, works by destroying mass on an atomic level (perhaps through physically erasing the atoms it destroys.) However, when the Granny revives Toji. She specifically makes a point to say. That she DOESNT channel the soul. With Toji saying his body is “special” and basically hyjacked the other persons soul. So this doesn’t necessarily contradict anything in JJK lore. Even if I don’t believe it myself. If you do believe it though- Makima may have her existence erased by purple (on high end) Or just have all her atoms erased (on the low end, which may still stop her- if she has no mass to regen from.)

[@ramen4laifu33]

@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5 Tell that to Hanami, she noticed HP and escaped with half of her body obliterated but was able to regenerate later. If HP really erased, she would not be able to regenerate. Makima should be able to see it coming as well she has the future devil contract which was never present in DB. Toji was dealt the same half of his body was obliterated but "came back" so he was not ERASED. No one remembers nazi, ww2, aids, nuclear weapons, the hio mountain erruption that's what it means to be ERASED.

[@Gang_Life.]

Makima wins

[@imevilsodealwithit069]

slay

[@akirakurusu4309]

Gojo winning the DB was complete cap.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

How so?

[@darkestasian6921]

How?

[@Bluestorm25834]

Your just in denial

[@darkevent4875]

He's not in denial, he's straight up spitting FACTS

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

He only stated his opinion. Which? Is fine obviously. But I don’t think that means it’s just automatically Fax Lol.

[@landenmoudy5749]

Gojo obviously wins. He cant exhaust his cursed energy and can regenerate any and all injuries and mental fatigue. Not only that, but she cant touch him. Not once. Even if she can teleport gojo at some point would catch her with infinite void and the battle is done. If he keeps his domain up lets say for 2 hours makima will literally just sit there absorbimg the information that accumulates for thousands or tens of thousands of years with her just sitting still in the same spot. He could obviously take his time and take all of her 100 million lives.

[@TomasBregman]

Pov: Biased. One 1000 usage spear would be capable of bypassing infinity due to it distorting space itself, which was how Sukuna defeated Gojo in the first place and two would one shot as it would take away 1000 years of Gojo's life span away, killing him instantly. So the only question is whether or not Gojo would dodge it. Which he likely wouldn't as he usually assumes infinity will protect him from all incoming attacks. There are a lot of other win cons for Makima but this is probably the easiest to argue since Makima pretty much alway had access to the Angel Devil.

[@ghoullyman]

ik this is off topic but who wins gojo or kidd buu

[@landenmoudy5749]

@@ghoullyman probably kid Buu if Gojo doesn't kill him fast enough. Kid Buu would just get frustrated and destroy the entire planet. So if Gojo one shots him fast Gojo wins. If he fucks around buu wins.

[@landenmoudy5749]

@@TomasBregman well Gojo can move faster and think faster by a pretty big gap compared to makima. Gojo can literally manipulate spacetime down to the atomic level so I'm not sure if it would work, but if it did work I think Gojo is capable of dodging it. If Gojo instantly hits his domain he would win. If he lets makima take away his life span she wins. However I doubt Gojo would fuck around and find out. I personally think Gojo would cut the sugar coating and go straight for a domain expansion, therefore instantly winning the battle.

[@TomasBregman]

@@landenmoudy5749 How would Gojo have even a slight chance of winning when Kid Buu is ridiculously faster than Gojo. Gojo isn't even light speed. Kid buu is billions of times faster than light and with how hollow purple works I doubt it would even kill Kid Buu