Gojo vs Makima is so unfair...

[@sixfromtokyo]

To be clear since a lot of people seem to be missing it even though I said it in the video. I do NOT think Gojo is planetary and was simply saying the argument since I've never talked about it before & I know there are people who agree w/ it.

[@gamingtoast7974]

I swear it's like people dont even watch the video, lol.

[@BookBros-k2c]

Bro, people are here for your opinions. Don't spread misinformation. If you know an argument is bad/wrong and you really want to talk about it, take the opportunity to explain why it's wrong. Don't act like it's valid.

[@jubbreen]

​@@BookBros-k2cyou can't call it opinion and the be upset when he expresses it💀

[@sixfromtokyo]

@@BookBros-k2c If you're hear for my opinion that is already in here in the AP section. It's also right there when I say "I do not believe this but here is the argument" I already know no one else really believes it either so I didn't feel the need to explain.

[@Alphaj0r]

How do people even think jjk gets to planetary?, lmao

[@julianlastname5730]

I love the idea that Gojo would learn about Makimas ability to do with citizens of Japan, then the fight would turn into an extended legal battle of Gojo trying to get rid of his Japanese citizenship, and Makima trying to prevent him from doing so

[@paulallen2914]

gojo brings Saul Goodman. "Your honour, my client is legally allowed to change his citizenship. While this redhead here is trying to stop him from doing so, this is a clear constitutional violation of my client."

[@theheadbandguy8921]

If you ask me, I’m subscribed to the idea that as soon as Gojo learns about Makimas ability with the citizens of Japan, cannon Gojo would immediately switch from trying to kill Makima to trying to seal/imprison her at all costs until a way is found to kill her for good. A scenario like this would actually be extremely interesting and I would love to see it play out in like a fan fic or what if video.

[@_Sloppyham]

@@theheadbandguy8921infinite information being sent to her head for a prolonged period of time might make her a vegetable

[@monarhosrs1378]

@@_Sloppyham That would just make one brainless japanese citizen it wouldn't work.

[@monarhosrs1378]

@@theheadbandguy8921 You know what its funny that Gojo is playing ultimate gamble, because there is a chance that once the very first time she dies Gojo gets all the damage from that, but also there is a chance that once that happens and Gojo survived with Reversed cursed techinque it's possible he wouldn't be targeted again by the contract :P

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Jujutsu Kaisen fans: We want Gojo to win. Chainswa Man fans: We want Gojo to win.

[@jschannel6319]

Gege: I want Gojo to lose.

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

@@jschannel6319me lol

[@hb1167]

Sukuna Fans : We want Gojo to lose

[@doublebbastard7514]

I’m desperate for a Makima dub she seems to lose every cross verse fight she is apart of.

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

@@doublebbastard7514 eh they’re all debatable most just think she loses lol

[@epicmemelord2258]

Nah, I’d win

[@lazairance]

Nah I would

[@icbtv8207]

@@lazairancenah i’m pretty sure i’d win

[@rikudo282]

Nah, I'd win

[@sukunadawafflemaker]

Nah, I'd win

[@BurntoOblivion]

Too Late the Victory is mine.

[@jschannel6319]

Stand proud, Makima, you are strong.

[@animexanimes6223]

strong, but not strong enough

[@MightyCole1]

if she was in jjk, she would easily be top 15 tbh

[@_nobody_865]

"were"

[@FirstLast-hd4oe]

​@@MightyCole1top 2. only Sukuna's Mahoraga stands a chance everyo e else Including Gojo gets Neg diffed

[@abubakarmohamedsoderportgy9327]

She easily wins against him too. Death battle and other videos misunderstand her abilities, and completely altered them. here's a more in-depth explanation. I'll start off with the Unlimited Void. Death battle mentioned how it would be an effective attack towards Makima. But, that isn't the case, and she can easily counter Unlimited void. For this to make sense, I'd like to first mention how they gravely misunderstood Makimas Prime Minister's contract. The Prime Minister Contract does not "transfer" the attack inflicted upon her to a citizen. She instead automatically (as seen during thr Katana man arc) *nullifies* the attack/effect dealt to her and changes them to *"appropriate illnesses and accidents among the Japanese citizens"*. So, for instance, if Gojo manages to ever hit Unlimited Void, then it will not "transfer" the information from UV among the Japanese Citizens. It will, instead nullify the damages/effects received, and then make a random citizen get appropriate illnesses/accidents. This means that when Gojo manages to kill her 126.1 million times and is the sole remaining citizen in Japan, which is also very unlikely, then he will be getting severe illnesses ranging from cancer, heart attacks, brain damage, etc and also partake in dangerous accidents. The important detail here however is that it essentially makes her immune to death since he has to die first for her to die, and this will go on until Gojo dies from one of her attacks. Note: I saw others claim thag UV was infinite information', but that's false. 0.2 Second domain proved this since it produces 36 months' worth of information instead of infinite. (Makima can also control how long she stays dead thx to the contract, making it harder for her to be eliminated). Also, Death Battle forgot to take Spider Devils' abilities into consideration. Makima has full control over Spider Devil, and it grants her the ability to teleport over dimensions, which she will use to escape UV. Btw, Makima doesn't have to be conscious to activate Spider Devil's ability since her puppets still retain sentience, as shown in the manga. Spider devil will simply notice that Makima is in danger (Makima not responding back to Spiders questions, is the queue here), and then decides to teleport her out. It's not like she need to instantly teleport Makima either, bcs Makima can stay in the domain for pretty much however long she wishes, [limited to +126.1 million lives], until Gojo eventually starts to be affected by the PM contracts (illnesses/accidents). Also, Spider Devil won't be easily killed too since she can phase through walls, which we saw when she was in hell. Makima knows the value of this devil, so she always has her hide whenever she can (especially when Makima has Future sight, which she'll use to position Spider perfectly and in a safe position: 1000+ meters away or a different continent. Anything works. Anywhere on the planet). Realistically, though, Gojo wouldn't even care about it if he ever managed to find this Devil since he wouldn't know how valuable its abilities are (not a priority target). Aside from that, it's pretty unlikely that Makima gets hit by the domain, bcs she has the busted ability to see years into the future (future devil). With this she'll fight him from a distance without needing to ever confront him (this is why I believe that the setting of the battle is very odd). The ability to see into the future is also the reason why Gojo's speed is somewhat irrelevant, even though she's fast herself. This is because she'd foresee everything that he will ever do years into the future and come up with countermeasures. (One of them being that she can just use her second teleportion ability the moment the battle begins and then teleport to the otherside of the planet where she'll not only be safe, but also be able to eliminate him from that distance). I'll reply to myself and delve deeply into her other abilities that bypass infinity since it's relevant to the discussion anyway (not all of them are effective against Gojo, but I'll list them anyhow). [1/2]

[@aran.m977]

Gojo would probably always win in a battle if both just met and founght but if these two were in the same universe and Makima would want to eliminate Gojo for some reason then I'm sure she would hatch some plan to kill or seal him like Kenjaku did

[@IAmNonCreative]

She wouldn't even need to plan. All she would need is his name, then she would turn him into a huge bloodstain due to her ritual. That's the reason why I find it idiotic that Gojo fans say Makima has no chance of winning, though I do think Gojo would win more times than Makima if it was a random 1v1 with Makima's contracts and servants included. But I even find that debatable at points.

[@pspsmallz]

She stomps with prep, shes pretty much kenjaku on crack

[@Rdc_Dom]

Yeah Makima with prep time would probably neg

[@thegloriousryan8981]

@@IAmNonCreative The only thing about the ritual is it works off of a contract of exchange, where the people are more or less equal. That's why she wasn't able to crush either of the people with major devil contracts, and why she didn't just do the same to the gun devil or something.

[@IAmNonCreative]

@@thegloriousryan8981 possibly. I always thought that she just couldn't use her ritual on devils or people more associated with devils (like fiends, hybrids, or Akane possibly having a different type of relationship with her snake devil cuz of her eyes or Aki having the future devil in jis eye), but your theory about Makima trading a death row's life for Makima to internally crush another's is pretty strong to me. I still think that the rituals limitations might have something to do with the devil's presence (or she just decided to keep Akane and katana alive) and that she could still kill Gojo with it, but it's all speculation with all of Makima's other abilities. Thx for your thoughts on it.

[@victorkaranja1420]

( before I watch the vid) I'll be honest at this point Im just coming to these makima v gojo vids to see if anyone can go without messing up basic plot points in csm or able t go through all the relevant abilities or scaling that could apply to her cus christ is it insane how consistent it is for people to screw up basic stuff like the graveyard scene with pochita

[@MM-fw3wr]

It’s hilarious bro every Makima vs video I see in my recommended is just her getting downplayed and her opponent getting wanked. I constantly see people bring up her control being resisted, or her contract being bypassed, even though they were both very specific plot points that wouldn’t magically happen during the course of a fight to the death. It makes even more sense when I realize that the average csm fan isn’t even a powerscaler, as its not the best manga for that since alot is left vague, so the people who are doing the powerscaling are people who haven’t read csm and are only looking to get a topic for a new video.

[@maku3857]

@@MM-fw3wr yea I’ve seen like one were she wins

[@awoooga5857]

I have never seen a character get downplayed so much the way makima does. Even in the death battle, she got downplayed like hell. It's honestly depressing how much people just get her abilities wrong.

[@dc7981]

@@awoooga5857 based scalers dabbing on csm

[@Mania_TBH]

I genuinely don't understand how people think gojo would win against all the contracts lol

[@alfatunes5993]

You missed the most important win condition for makima which is summoning a spear that completely bypasses space and would kill gojo if it hit him

[@scyzmo8741]

There’s 0 chance that hit lands. The speed difference is there.

[@brycelinnarz9387]

@@scyzmo8741makima is comparable to the darkness devil who is stronger than the gun who killed millions in 5 minutes when it took gojo 5 minutes to kill 1000 people who were all standing still so makima is far faster

[@kartikeyaj-2797]

@@brycelinnarz9387gojo was obviously holding back….he was literally running around throwing hands he couldn’t even use a blue as he didn’t want to kill the innocent civilians

[@Cipher_Paul]

​@@brycelinnarz9387 if you're talking about his attack on Makima, then the Gun Devil didn't kill millions in 5 minutes, it was 7 seconds as the attack lasted from 3h 18min 21sec to 3h 18min 28 sec. And it wasn't millions but more like thousands of living things because (thanks to nukemap) we can estimated that there were around 30,426 people targeted and killed in this area. And that's not even including the fact that it activated an ability to fire a bullet through *EVERY living thing* in a 1 km radius. But yeah, if you scale this up to 5 minutes it would make for 1.3 million dead people. But, speaking of the Gun Devil, he shot 19 bullets at Makima from a distance of 500 km away in less than a second. That's around Mach 1,619 and Makima should scale above him.

[@vclxpyn9939]

@@brycelinnarz9387quantify that

[@dreamlinervirus]

Hey six, great vid. Something I miss from the old collab videos is, considering different versions of the fighters. E.g. teen Gojou, before unlocking purple, vs just after, etc. That was a bad example, as there is not enough info to scale him effectively, but extrapolate to other characters. Thanks!

[@Telarius]

I misss this too

[@Julian.noa21]

you are talking about the old videos such as hanami vs nanami and toji vs yuta where six did sections like for hanami vs nanami video constrained hanami vs base nanami and full power hanami vs overtime nanami and for toji vs yuta current yuta vs hidden inventory toji and Shibuya toji vs jjk 0 yuta right?

[@maku3857]

That’s some crazy disgusting downplay on the chainsaw man scaling

[@SkeetWeet4368]

the only thing that's lowballed is pochita's ap which you can scale to small city level but apart from that csm has mediocre scaling

[@ahmadkazan5473]

Only inpressive thing about chainsawman is that the relevant characters already had good attack potency and durability without much development

[@animewolf7921]

​@@SkeetWeet4368a small city level ??? Pochita literally wipes the floors Of hell..... He probably even wooped the asses of gojo grandparents in hell ...lol

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@SkeetWeet4368 straight up scaled denji to his chainsaws, the bang to pochitas light kick and heck, even their combat speed was downscaled considering quanxi in human form straight up blocked a bullet after it was fired in human form and pochita practically neged her during his graveyard fight

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@ahmadkazan5473 main thing that matters is mostly the hax anyways, that's usually how I use it against other verses

[@lucstra]

bro is cassually ignoring the fact that bang shot pochita into orbit within a timeframe where pochita only had a short time to react even though his reaction speed is easily hypersonic, also saying that gojo's attacks couldn't be ignored by makima's contract is bs because such a thing is never stated in chainsaw man and there are devil hunters that can kill in such unconventional ways, like the angel devil, doll devil, spider devil, and future devil, you'd think their ability to "kill makima" would at least be mentioned given the fact that at some point they were all enemies of makima. Also the chainsaw devil's special ability can delete makima from existence (being space AND time) Gojo can not do this and the only character in the JJK verse than may survive this is Mahoraga who was also able to adapt to infinity which people claim to be so strong that it can solo whole verses (which is bs because if you coventionally starved, drowned or choked Gojo, he would die, after all he is human. Infinite void is hard to talk about because devils have proven to work differently to biological organisms and it is hard to say if makima would even take in all of the universes information or if she would be killed because of it ( for example normal humans could resist it for around 5 seconds, stated to have felt like around half a lifetime for them but they survived, makima is a devil which "naturally" would be as old as the human fear of control or more specifically being controlled making her as the control devil 100,000+ years old, and as shown she's not in a mentally overwhelmed state (so this depends on the speed of his domains knowledge application), even more than the humans resisting it, Jogo resisted it, and for a much longer time and came out completely unscathed.)

[@omeganeox]

Lmfao cap 💀

[@lucstra]

@@omeganeox what’s cap?

[@omeganeox]

@@lucstra all you said, you cant choke or drown gojo, he can legit teleport

[@omeganeox]

@@lucstra and about jogo he legit got stunned for a long time from a 0.2 second infinite void

[@lucstra]

@@omeganeox then why didn’t he just teleport into sukuna’s body to kill him from the inside like ant man vs thanon ts, or is that not how his “teleport” ability works?

[@someguy4405]

Gege: Hakari cannot evade Kashimo's lightning. JJK scalers: LOOK HAKARI EVADED KASHIMO'S LIGHTNING BECAUSE I MISINTERPRETED A PANEL IN WHICH HE DOESNT MOVE AS HIM REDIRECTING IT TO HIS SHOULDER The reading comprehension curse strikes again.

[@thestrangegoat4511]

When did Gege say Hakari Cannot evade Kashimo's lightning again? lmao

[@someguy4405]

@@thestrangegoat4511 It's stated to be a guaranteed hit similar to a domain's effect in 184. It also wouldn't really make sense if you could dodge it because of the way lightning works, bridging the gap between positive and negative charge areas. Kashimo's lightning works like real lightning, and it's not like a projectile you can avoid, it's more like an exchange of energy.

[@nobodycares99]

​@@someguy4405so you think his lightning is infinite speed?🤡

[@nobodycares99]

​@@someguy4405how fast is a domain? Did you accidentally just upscale hakari?

[@nobodycares99]

​@@someguy4405is it as fast as a domain or not bruh?

[@crusiver8453]

As stated by Kishibe, contracts rely on perception. Denji himself did not wajt to harm Makima so she ended up dying and making her contract null. Gojo's infinite void is an attack. He uses it like one and he acts as though it is one. He isnt doing a denji situation and using love. He is one hundred percent trying to harm her with infinite void. If she gets hit, one poor civilian across the country will experience the full brunt instead of her.

[@iAmSevere]

Thats not how her ability works and did u not listen to his counter argument at all?? You didnt refute his actual argument 💀

[@iitsstd]

Dog it’s infinite INFORMATION. There ISNT AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

[@ChefMonke07]

So what you're saying is Infinite Void would kill all of Japan along with Makima instead of just Makima.

[@iitsstd]

@@ChefMonke07 basically. And it literally wouldn’t harm gojo. He could use it for 0.2 seconds aswell and finish her off so the normal human can just be put in a coma

[@TomasBregman]

@@iitsstdIt isn't an infinite attack though? Its one attack that gives infinite knowledge.

[@thespectaculargrando8168]

This is probably the craziest downplaying of Makima and Gojo glazing I’ve ever seen. If you don’t understand, her contract means that Gojo would have kill Makima millions of times before he can permanently put her down. That’s her full potential. You didn’t portray Makima at her full potential.

[@Namesbemadannoying]

purple literally erases makima to a point where she cant come back

[@thespectaculargrando8168]

@@Namesbemadannoying proof?

[@Namesbemadannoying]

@@thespectaculargrando8168 it’s imaginary mass interacting with the world, should probably have said its more erasure at the atomic level. Basically physics say that virtual mass coliding with real world mass causes it to be erased or something like that im not a scientist

[@lilcomerag]

@@Namesbemadannoying *"it’s imaginary mass interacting with the world"* It has been proven false for a very long time. The assertion that HP has real impacts on the JJK world and the fact that it interacts with buildings like a destructive blast defies the basic idea of imaginary mass, which is ironically why this statement debunks the imaginary mass interpretation of HP. HP cannot be a method of erasing existence because EE is a hax, which means it can overcome a statistical advantage. However, in the manga, Gojo needs to utilize Utahime's CT to amp up his hollow purple to 200% output and it is later shown to be blocked by Sukuna using CE reinforcement, which is contradictory to HP's supposed status as a hax as opposed to merely being AP based. *"should probably have said its more erasure at the atomic level."* You would need to prove that Gojo's attacks are erasure-based and operate at the atomic level, as he was only stated to be capable of manipulating CE at that level. *"Basically physics say that virtual mass coliding with real world mass causes it to be erased or something like that im not a scientist"* To the best of my knowledge, This is accurate, and it also has nothing to do with Hollow Purple. The perception of HP as an imaginary mass stems from a mistranslation; in reality, HP is explained as a virtual mass.

[@nicerock5506]

@@Namesbemadannoyingfull body erasure wouldn’t work, it’d just get deflected to someone else and she’d pop back up. the only reason denji was able to eat her out of existence is because his attack of eating her isn’t an attack, otherwise she’d regenerate anyways

[@unendingvoid]

Tbh it's getting somewhat tiresome to see titles like these when it's actually not as one-sided as these videos wanna make it seem. There are many arguments for both sides winning and Gojo doesn't scale worlds higher than Makima lol. She has a lot of hax that'll cause problems for him and some that debatably nullify all his offensive abilities. Then there's also the inverse where Gojo might be able to survive or nullify anything she can do

[@whoizray_]

new six for the new year let’s go you been killin it fr 💯

[@Cipher_Paul]

Why would you compare the Chainsaw Man that fights Makima at the end of Part 1 to Denji at the beginning of the story? If you've read the manga at all, you would know that they aren't the same character *at ALL.* The one who fights Makima is Pochita himself, the Chainsaw Devil himself. Not to mention that he destroys Quanxi along with all the other Weapon Humans by himself, and yet Makima still beats him. So this is what should be used as scaling, the Weapon Humans and not Denji.

[@MM-fw3wr]

Alot of powerscaling channels don’t really follow csm, so they misinterpret a lot of the story leading to her getting downplayed in videos like this.

[@awoooga5857]

​@MM-fw3wr it's honestly such a shame. She's so broken but people just screw up her abilities and feats

[@inumakisenpai]

​@@MM-fw3wrI'm just getting worn out by the amount of misinformation regarding Makima and her powers that it's just tiring at this rate.

[@notabot5000]

@@inumakisenpai blame deaht battle for it and the writter of the episode (He hated Makima to the bones and was talking about this episode one year before it was even made it) you could have a fun battle of both smart characters planning and analizing each other move and using her whole kit but they make her go full melee on him without a second tought, that was making Gojo rushing her with a fucking assault rifle.

[@esteban8471]

Gojo vs Makima is a pretty divisive matchup to debate from my personal experience, not only due to how many absurd powers they have at their disposal, but also due to the vagueness that is inherent to Makima's abilities. It makes for an interesting debate, but it does get more complicated the deeper you go since some of her powers are left to interpretation in what they can or can't do. Its a weird rabbit hole where no matter how many people give their answers, there will be always someone with a question to ask. However, I think that should highlight subjectivity in the vs community, and that's fine. That being said, it was interesting seeing your take on it. The editing was also pretty nice.

[@Heavy_Tf2]

Sorry, Jogo solo even at this point.

[@unendingvoid]

@@Heavy_Tf2 Ignorance is an illness

[@bullettime1116]

@@Heavy_Tf2 makima sends his ass into space

[@Replied_ByMeatr1der5]

One of the things the video shows is how Fujimoto didn't write Chainsaw man as a battle shonen. Things like AP not coinciding with durability, character who can get pummeled through multiple buildings being damaged by bullets in the same way a normal person would be, or simply characters not reaching to their highest potential not because of a mentality problem like how it is disclosed in JJK, but simply because of the lack of writing and thoughtfulness put into them. Many say Gojo is a Gege victim but you gotta address how trambled Makima's potential was by Fujimoto's writing style despite having a mix of Curse/Sorcerer manipulation and Copy CTs

[@SkeetWeet4368]

i agree with a lot of what you're saying but chainsaw man is a battle shonen by pretty much every meaning of the word .the only character who we see have semi-consistent durability is denji while everyone else in the verse is a glass cannon . glass cannon characters [like most of the csm verse] are pretty common in fiction

[@fernandolemus5965]

Kinda the reason why I don't really enjoy Power scaling discussions regarding CSM, the abilities/ capabilities are left pretty vague and up to interpretation to how characters abilities could work, it gets wacky

[@wswann34]

Most of the other authors would place stuff for shock value (Yuki using black hole) but will cause inconsistencies in its power level whereas Fuji has a lot of breathing room. If Yuki can destroy a planet , how the hell does kenjaku barrier stop that if he can't even place a barrier over the earth. Now u made kenjaku black hole level but got blitz by yuta?????? Lol 😂

[@victorkaranja1420]

Dawg that bullet thing is still applicable in jjk, the durability aspect in alot of shonen is inconsistent af and pretty much exists on spiderman logic ( just look at shinra in ff)

[@neferpitou.]

its good that he wrote his story not caring about how his character scales to others i personally think makima wins but thats just me

[@lascients2112]

Gojo said he didn’t want help unless HE got weaker than them, not if sukuna got weaker than the jjk heavy hitters

[@ri_c_e]

Ohh so thats why Yuta was getting ready to go before Gojo used hollow purple.

[@lascients2112]

@@ri_c_e yuta wanted to go because he didn’t want gojo to get overwhelmed in a 3 vs 1, and yuta has rika so he counts as 2 entities, and yuta was right too

[@ri_c_e]

@@lascients2112 gotcha

[@victorkaranja1420]

And lastly, makimas contract specifically states that attacks are what are affected by it, which infinite void and it's information literally are, so it should be thrown off her. She should also just be able to send any damage gojo throws at her back at him directly as shown in her fight with csm where thedevil hunters she was carrying took the direct damage from the hits she took

[@Dylannister]

I agree with you that Six is wrong about how her contract works and about Unlimited Void, but Makima's contract doesn't "transfer the attack itself" it just undoes any damage or death she suffers at an attack. We know it doesn't literally transfer the attack itself as when her contract worked to heal her from the Power Blood Chainsaw, the blood still remained in Makima's body to perpetuatally damage Makima and keep her from properly reviving.

[@Dylannister]

The chained up people getting hit with the contract might show that she can direct who gets affected by the contract, but it's more likely Fujimoto drew it because it looked cool rather than an actual display of how the contract works since it's not accurate to Makima's description of it before, as those guys aren't dying from illnesses or accidents like it's implied to work. And as I said before, if she could literally transfer the attack itself than she wouldn't had been affected by Powers blood like she was.

[@scyzmo8741]

The technicality’s don’t matter. Hollow purple with still reduce her to nothingness therefore she cannot revive. Additionally, infinite void floods her with infinite information that cannot be avoided.

[@Dylannister]

@@scyzmo8741 Idk how JJK fans always take the most clear cut explanations of how abilities work in both series and always twists it to either nerf one side while glazing the hell out of Gojo. For starters, Six is just blantly wrong about Gojo's technique being "Imaginary Mass". That was a mistranslation and since then has been corrected to the proper translation being "Virtual Mass" which is entirely different from Imaginary. This change has came up in the Sukuna fight where they correctly stated that Hollow Purple is a Virtual Mass, and even on the page he shows with Yuki it literally says "Virtual Mass" and not "Imaginary" right there on the panel. Yet for some reason he still continues to conflate the two when it has long been corrected. Secondly, this means that Hollow Purple or other limitless techniques don't have concept erasure. We even know this to be the case since Sukuna can tank a 200% powered version, Hanami was able to recover from having half his body disintegrated by it and Toji's entire body was able to revive completely despite a huge chunk of it supposedly being erased from existence. Not to mention that Six's logic of why it would bypass the contract is very flimsy as it just boils down to "well we never see Makima get killed by this sort of attack, so we don't know if it wouldn't work". We never see someone try to drown or poison Makima as well, but that doesn't mean that just bypasses the contract because we never seen it done. You need a much better argument than that. Also not to mention he's just wrong on how Blue and Red works. Blue and Red are just concentrated forms of attractive and reflective force, the "-1 apple" is not a factor of the attack itself, rather an explanation of why the technique works the way it does. The technique creates a situation where -1 is born and space around it will either pull towards it to fill in the space, or be pushed away if it's reversed. Gojo isn't literally hitting people with "-1 apples", the force is the effect that is created in the world from doing that and what he's hitting them with, which isn't concept erasure. Like think about it, if Blue or Red can literally hit you with "-1 Apples" and erase your existence, then where is that at all demonstrated in the series? We've never seen a single character have parts of themselves erased from existence from a red or blue attack, it always just does what I've explained being just a concentrated Gravity attack going either way. Finally, the concept erasure in CSM is on an entire different sphere than it is in JJK. In CSM, if Pochita consumes you than the concept of your being and everything you represent is literally erased from history and the world is altered around the change itself. In JJK, the "concept erasure" is just a very precise level of destruction that's never shown to literally erase concepts like it does in CSM. To say that Gojo's abilities will work to the same degree as it is shown to work in CSM just because they're both "concept erasure" when it has never shown to be at all similar is just being completely disingenuous. Thirdly, Makima's contract works as clearly as it is stated, that if she's hit with anything that's conceptually an attack it is undone in replace of some Japanese citizen dying for her in the form of illness or disease. That's all the explanation we get, and any other stipulation like "well she's never revived from ____ kind of attack before, so that would work" is just straight up headcanon and conjecture. The only way Makima had died in the series was because the thing that killed her was not considered an attack by the person who did it, but rather a way he thought he could "become one" with her. No other loophole or way around the contract is even hinted or alluded to, even in the context of the series where by that point the entire world has mostly given up in even trying to stop Makima because no one had any means to. Lastly, Unlimited Void doesn't literally upload infinite amount of information at once, and it's never shown to work that way in the series. JJK fans need to learn the definition of what infinite actually entails, because I swear none of them can even fathom what it's actually like. Also UV is perceived as an attack by Gojo, ergo the contract will automatically work itself to revive and heal Makima as it does so without even Makima having to know of the attack itself. Six saying it's more of an "experience and not damage" is just blantly incorrect and not at all how it's described or stated, as we see what happens to Sukuna who got hit with 10 seconds of it and he was profusely bleeding out of his eyes from the overload. Not to mention Cosmos can inject a literal infinite amount of information into someone by saying "Halloween" Infront of them, which she does to Makima and it did nothing. Which is all the more reason why Makima wouldn't be affected by it. And since the barriers of domains view things with no curse energy as just structures, she can literally just walk out of it.

[@Nigga2155]

@@Dylannister Unlimited void fills up with never ending information put it that way because when gojo was fighting the disaster curse he said that the humans could only take 0.2 seconds of it hence 0.2 second domain and Gojo's DE makes him practically immortal to every non DE user and DE users whos domains are less refined The technique basically fills u with infinite knowledge while ur paralyzed and die slowly And the reason why sukuna was bleeding was do to UI frying his brain with to much knowledge which basically isn't an attack it just gives u knowledge that u cant handle And Makima has no way of getting thru infinity because gojo really isn't a Japanese citizen in CSM because he doesn't exist in that verse Makima really cant kill gojo but Gojo can kill her And u cant really dismiss Yuki creating a black hole

[@noway6133]

3:20 that's not denji. That is just popchita faking

[@inumakisenpai]

Saying Unlimited Void is not an attack is blasphemous. I don't know how Gojo fans seem to go through all these insane mental gymnastics and not admit that it's an attack. It gives you brain damage, it is his final move, it's his trump card. Gojo would want you to dead if he were to use it.

[@dtheanomaly3686]

It can basically be summed up as a type of psychic attack that uses cursed energy to flood the target's brain with infinite sets of information. He doesn't really use it as a trump card he uses it situationally I'd consider Hollow Purple to be his trump card. He unlimited void as a flex in season 1 and season 2 he used it to mentally stun everyone in the subway tunnel so he could physically kill 100 transfigured human in 2 secs.

[@yoshier6969]

so its just information. its an infinite amount, but it's information. so if you said "me not like you" to makima you would explode? even so gojo is immune to his own domain, and the way domains work is a sure hit. it bypasses any hax you may have and hits you. so gojo's infinity gets broken by that. if you were to treat contracts as binding vows, then yes, unlimited void would bypass the contract with the prime minister, no matter how.

[@shepardice3775]

Putting Gojo's AP at planetary because Yuki, while dying, removed the cap on bom ba ye to give herself the density of a black hole is completely absurd. We've literally seen a 200% output Hollow Purple from Gojo, so by putting him at planetary we're saying that an already boosted version of his most powerful technique is just a tiny fraction of how strong he is... but he never shows it to us for some reason. Also FTL in JJK does not make sense regardless of the feats shown for one simple narrative reason: nobody can use black flash at will. If characters could truly move and react massively hypersonic or even relativistic speeds, having every single attack be a black flash would be the easiest thing in the world for them. The window of 1 microsecond between an attack and the application of cursed energy, if they're that fast, would be impossible for them to miss.

[@Replied_ByMeatr1der5]

The fact Yuki can put out more AP than Gojo should not mean she's stronger. Powerscaling lacks basic logic that should be applied in combat

[@richardnixon2587]

​@goldexperiencerequiem1089 yall get it

[@shepardice3775]

​@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5Especially when Yuki would never do that in a normal context. There's a limit to how much mass she can add without destroying her body and it's far, far below planetary. Not only does Gojo not seem to have a final release su*c*de attack like that, we simply can't say that a feat that one character is only capable of at the cost of their life is something that another character can simply do because they're stronger.

[@wswann34]

That's why power scaling is tricky because authors do these things for shock factor, not to say she is planetary. That black hole was definitely not going to destroy the world, gege jus wanted to glaze Yuki cause he killed her off too quick. Kenjaku ,one of the best at barriers cant even place a barrier over the planet yet these guys are planetary?lol

[@wswann34]

Also unlimited hollow purple only destroyed a city block at best, whereas the falling devil basically turn one upside down

[@TheGATG0bBlin]

Never really liked Makima in VS matchups period since she NEVER fights fair in her own series, every single fight she wins she went in with prep and usually had multiple other devils jumping her opponent. Not to mention the nature of her abilities is to this day still so unkown you can't argue how they'd work in a fight, liker her "BANG" attack the "ask their name and she squashes you" attack her controlling abilities, etc. She's got too much going for her to say Gojo could really do anything about it.

[@TomasBregman]

And the amount of ways Makima could escape the battlefield with her weird rat teleportation or the amount of time it would take to kill Makima 120 million+ times would honestly give Makima so much time to find a counter to Gojo.

[@scyzmo8741]

Are you saying that Makima beats Gojo because she can run away from him? ._. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

[@TheGATG0bBlin]

@@scyzmo8741 Not even close 🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m saying she beats him because she’s invincible and he’s not, if she can’t win the first round she’ll sure as hell win the second one dude THINK

[@TomasBregman]

@@scyzmo8741 No? I'm saying "running" away will give Makima time to prepare for a second encounter

[@nobodys_here07]

​​@@TheGATG0bBlinA strategic retreat before coming back with more research, better planning, and bigger guns is the smartest thing to do. Especially when you can perform a ritual that could crush your opponent instantly.

[@100-People]

I kinda disagree with a lot of this video, and I feel that a lot of the lore given in CSM is not considered Makima being able to hurt Darkness is such a huge feat, considered it’s literally called transcendent among Devils representing the Light of a Star, Nuclear Weapons, Prime Gun, and the Eruption of a mountain. Capping at Town Level feels like huge downplay. The Horseman being stronger than the Primals isn’t even that inconsistent, since Famine bosses around Falling. She should at least be considered on par, considering the lore of CSM. Her ability to directly attack his organs with his death stare is one of the biggest things, since Gojo only has a limited amount of times he can RCT his vital organs like his brain. Even discounting the Finger Gun, she really only has to look at him a few times to get this off, it also seemingly is able to affect even Darkness. I feel that Makima being unable to control Gojo is debatable. Gojo’s existence changed the balance of the world sure, but she’s strong enough to stare down Darkness who represents the shared subconscious fear of every living thing that can perceive its concept. Her being a devil makes it even worse as the devils aware of Hell literally all folded at its distant presence, and Makima wasn’t even scared of going up against its power in the Doll Devil either. And she only needed to prove superiority to Pochita for a pretty specific reason. The speed scaling though I must admit is where she falls flat, I do not believe she is consistent enough to deal with it, but it’s not an end all be all, due to Future Devil’s precog. The Unlimited Void argument is something I massively disagree with as well, Makima can definitely take in massive amounts of information dumping, as Cosmo uses a mini Halloween on her right before she dies, and she just ignores it. Cosmo’s Halloween dumping ALL the information of the universe onto her is such a greater scale than UV, that it’s barely comparable. The brain damage wouldn’t even really matter since we see not only her, but lesser devils like Reze being able to fight without their heads even connected to their bodies, so brain damage is not taking her out. I definitely think this matchup is far closer than you presented in this video.

[@cnpanimationstudios3224]

makima is also galaxy level and has immeasurable speeds, she can even beat ultra instinct goku in a 1v1

[@malekith33]

So true. I wanna ask, what r the calcs for Quan xi when she literally blitze murdered 100s of people? I feel like it's really underrated and jjk characters r mostly in single digit Mach.

[@l.lawliet2222]

@@malekith33 jjk top tiers can definitely get past mach 100

[@l.lawliet2222]

I don't think bang has the ability to cross an infinite distance. We really need a guide book or a databook to understand some of makimas abilities. From what we seen bang has both the requirements to get stuck by infinity. It has mass and it travels as seen when she killed power. Gojo's cursed energy supply is not an issue. He has insane amounts of cursed energy and has far faster recovery than any jjk character. His output is the issue. If makima has more stamina than gojo and can somehow bypass the neutral form of limitless, I can definitely see gojo losing. But I can also see makima lose via the massive speed gap

[@100-People]

@@l.lawliet2222I definitely agree the speed gap is like the main argument counter for Makima, cause unless you think the spear of Longinus she used is Light Speed, you’d be hard pressed to argue her speed matching up But I do think she has a couple of win cons, cause all she needs to do is outlast his RCT limits, and given she has a lot of ways to enforce such serious damage and has like 125 million lives, I def think there’s an argument to be had if you don’t think he can just hollow purple her immediately She has a couple of ways to damage him, her death glare can cause fatal organ damage and her telekinesis that was able to bypass the Darkness Devil’s barrier. And the finger gun ofc, but that’s up in the air for now On more hypothetical stuff, she has stuff like the mold Devil, to make mold grow on his body. She has Power’s corpse, which she could command to make blood weapons inside his body. And she has access to the Hell Devil which is shown to have spatial manipulation.

[@MM-fw3wr]

Oh boy, I wonder what the JJK centric channel is gonna believe…

[@sixfromtokyo]

Well this is disingenous considering I said Gojo would lose to Goku and Toji could lose to the Sasuke Retrieval Team

[@kongxu4582]

​@@sixfromtokyo You wanked Toji a bit that video tbf, you not a biased scaler tho even if you are a snake

[@MM-fw3wr]

@@sixfromtokyo Those outcomes have nothing to do with the Makima v Gojo debate (plus are extremely obvious for anyone who’s actually read Naruto and DB, and not just JJK alone.) If anything the large number of videos on your channel containing JJK characters just proves my point.

[@Nefata]

What are you blabbering on about? Six has been a. Mostly naruto channel until like 5 months ago

[@MM-fw3wr]

@@Nefata Naruto for 2 years then JJK the last 8 months how does that debunk my point in any way.

[@aqualazuli1876]

A channel focused on JJk giving the battle to JJK's character? who could have imagined?

[@sixfromtokyo]

@@aqualazuli1876 I didn't give Gojo a win vs Goku, I didn't give Toji the win vs Lee, I said Naruto would solo all special grade sorcerers, & Sasuke would solo all special grade curses. Don't try to imply I'm bias before you do a lick of research and just glance at my channel.

[@aqualazuli1876]

@@sixfromtokyo Two characters that the entire anime fandom already knows the powers of, there is no disguising their favoritism. But Makima? It hasn't even entered combat to this day. Gundevil (20%) who killed millions of people around the globe in 5 minutes was defeated by makima contracts, and his speed and firepower were stupidly superior to any feat of Gojo or sukuna to date No one in the JJK verse is that fast. The highest speed in JJk is mach 3 But of course you ignored that

[@aqualazuli1876]

Quaxi who is at least hypersonic+ (He was able to protect Makima from colliding with CSM during his speed blitz attempt) took a Blitz from the Darkness Devil who in turn was surpassed for a moment by Makima, before destroying her due to the difference in power Cosmo and Darkness devil both have HAX similar to Gojo, Cosmo didn't even try to confront Makima, it was certain defeat Darkness HAX, which is identical to Gojo, was the only one that Makima managed to overcome without any problems.

[@aqualazuli1876]

Darkness Devil >> Fall Devil >>> abyss >>> Makima >>> Gojo >>> Gun Devil (20%) >> Sukuna

[@zaimhoque8418]

Biggest csm tard detected🤡☠️​@@aqualazuli1876

[@victorkaranja1420]

Goddamn it I was right😭 bro fumbled the graveyard scene, that was pochita. Also denji does not scale to his chainsaws, it's like scaling a sword to the weilder

[@ri_c_e]

what did he fuck up 💀

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@ri_c_e the graveyard fight with the hybrids and makima, that's not denji fighting, it's pochita. Also he scaled the chainsaws to denji which makes no sense and it's clearly shown in-series that they scale way above his own durability, it's like scaling a guys punch to what he can cut with a knife

[@ri_c_e]

@@victorkaranja1420 well yeah i got the durability part, shouldve made that more clear. Pochita and Denji funne

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@ri_c_e nah srry, this was basically live commentary as Im watching the vid

[@ri_c_e]

@@victorkaranja1420 Lmao, looking forward to more live commentaries if i see your comments.

[@hunterkage2842]

I don't really buy JJK characters being planetary, like I know Yuki makes a black hole but that's just by manipulating the natural laws of physics. It wasn't her actual cursed technique that directly made it. Kenjaku and Tenjen are able to counter the black hole but that's with domains which override normal reality with a pocket dimension. If the black hole wasn't natural and was made of cursed energy it probably would had killed them both but i doubt Yuki is strong enough to create a cursed energy black hole.

[@itzbevlas]

you dont have to buy anything lol also it was a black hole straight up said that it was youre wrong

[@fw._chart]

Have you read yuki’s ct? Do you know what her cursed spirit garuda can do? Her whole concept is infinite mass. And what does compact mass that deforms space do? I’ll tell you, it creates a black hole. She’s technically not the only person in the show that can do this btw.😹😹

[@hunterkage2842]

@@itzbevlas yes, the black hole itself is beyond planetary. I wasn't talking about the black hole

[@hunterkage2842]

@@fw._chart yuki has the potential to destroy a planet thought haxs but that doesn't mean other characters that are stronger can. It's like how White beard from one piece has a ability that can destroy the planet but characters stronger than him can't

[@fw._chart]

@@hunterkage2842 Not the case. I just said she technically isn’t the only one who can create something like a black hole.

[@chakyitsmydog4298]

I disagree with the notion that Gojo scales close or above a literal black hole from yuki

[@royalobasi1938]

Why bruh

[@evancool1555]

Love the consistency six!

[@brycelinnarz9387]

It took gojo 5 minutes to kill 1000 curses and it took the gun the same amount of time to kill 1.2 million and makima is stronger than the gun

[@colinbrooks2049]

Didn't take into consideration and went right into the point. Gojo had to only use his hands to kill them because there was to many civilians in the train station it would've been a waaay shorter time span I'd he could use blue,red and other techniques. The feet alone being able to cast DE in 0.2 seconds just on INSTINCT alone is better than most csm speed feats and gojo was able to cast it quicker ever time than 0.1 seconds in the sukuna fight.

[@inumakisenpai]

​@@colinbrooks2049That doesn't change the fact that it took Gojo 5 minutes to kill 1000 of those transfigured humans who weren't even moving.

[@colinbrooks2049]

@@inumakisenpai with just his hands. Having to into consideration that he to do it in 0.2 seconds without any of the civilians to be brain poop. If he used blue, red or hollow purple the would've been dead shorter than a second

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

​@@inumakisenpaiwith hands

[@222cristobal]

That is so out of context bro, he had to kill the 1k curses with straight hands after putting a 0.2 domain expansion which puts cursed techniques con cooldown , that without hitting the civilians that were in the way. Gojo could match the 1.2 million kills in a high densitiy population center by spaming hollow purple with his near unlimited cursed energy. He could have destroy the 1k cursed with a single blue if the civilians were not there, which was the entire point of that fight.

[@TheRealJesaynt]

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see Makima's "Shrine Sacrifice Assassination" ability mentioned. That said, while I'm definitely a Gojo fan, this isn't a one sided fight. 1. Makima is simply a devil with the appearance of a human. Meaning that she doesn't totally have the same physiology/brain as your standard human. Because of this it's unclear just how or even if Gojo's domain would have the same effect. 2. If Makima knew of Gojo before Gojo knew of her, it is possible that she would just prepare her shrine, and have one of her would-be sacrifices utter the name of Gojo - instant TKO... maybe, since we don't exactly know how the technique kills the target.

[@Dylannister]

He doesn't even mention the ability. Nor her ability to point at someone and rupture their internal organs. 1. It is stated by Gege that UV works differently for curses as it does humans, so there's a case to be made there. 2. I don't think Makima needs to have prep before the fight in order to know Gojo's name as we see she has the means to find it out if she wanted to. In the arc while she was in Kyoto, right after being "killed", she goes straight to the shrine and performs the ritual naming all the goons in Tokyo and squishing them. Which implies that she figured out their names between the train scene and getting to the shrine, meaning she must have some sort of ability of means of information gathering to acquire a person's name that she can perform on the fly.

[@TheRealJesaynt]

Prep here refers to more than just learning the name of the target. It also means putting the ritual site together, blind folding the sacrifices, instructing the sacrifices to utter Gojo's name... etc. The fact that the ritual isn't some instant attack Makima can pull from her ass at will means it's situational. Much like the fictional fight between Makima vs Sukuna, all bets are off once the fight begins. If Makima's opponent didn't deliberately interrupt the ritual from completing, then it's perfectly possible that one of Gojo building/city busting Limitless attacks would "disrupt" it, if only accidentally. :P The only way for Makima to "guarantee" the ritual completes is to make sure it's not interrupted - ie: before the fight actually begins. It's like that old comic book battle trope: Batman can kill anyone if he gets prep time. Whoever learns of the other first is most likely going to win. @@Dylannister

[@Dylannister]

@@TheRealJesaynt It's actually much easier for Makima to pull this off than you would think. As I've already said she has a means to learn Gojo's name. She also has the Future Devil that'll let her see months ahead if she wanted to, as Makima can use the abilities of Devils she controls to whatever extent she wishes with no side effect to herself, and can even amp their power with pieces of the Gun Devil that she owns if she wanted to. Which gives her an understanding of the entire fight, at the least what Gojo would do in retaliation and how to avoid him. She has two forms of teleportation to get her to any shrines or high places she needs via Spider Devil or just teleporting using other animals. And once she's there she can just use her Control Powers to summon a random goon or any civilian nearby to say Gojo's name, and then he's squished. And as far as we know she can do this from a vast distance away as she does it in Kyoto to people in Tokyo. So she can do it much further than any range that Sukuna or Gojo has shown to be capable of. And as soon as she teleports away, there's nothing to imply that Gojo will be able to even know where she went. Then what could he do to prevent her from using the ability? I don't like the idea of Vs Battles where we give characters an arbitrary amount of "prep" time to learn their opponents, because it always full of people's headcanon and it always brings the Batman effect of people just saying their side wins because they'll always find the counter to whatever abilities the other person have, with no explanation to how they even figure it out or how they will do it. It's just lame imo. I only bring the idea of info scouting up with Makima as it seems she does have an ability to do so "on the fly" if she needed to. Gojo however doesn't seem to have an ability that lets him do that other than something like Six Eyes which just allows him to see the flow of Curse Energy precisely and can figure out what a technique can do that way, which doesn't exactly apply to Makima as Devil Contracts don't work via energy.

[@TheRealJesaynt]

You mentioned a bunch of stuff that just demonstrates my ignorance on Makima's details. The following thoughts may or may not be worthy arguments but two things come to mind when reading what you wrote: 1. Could Gojo seal away Makima like Kenjaku sealed Gojo using the Prison Realm? Further, does being trapped in an extra-dimensional space prevent her from exercising her powers normally? ...the classic "If we can't beat them, we'll just tuck them away in another reality with no way back"... trick. 2. This next thought has direct implications on the former: About the future devil... I decided to do some reading into Makima being able to use the Future Devil. First was to understand what level of precog the Future Devil is and is there any examples of Makima making use of the Devil either by contract or 'control'? First, there doesn't seem to be any examples of Makima using the Future Devil to any degree. A Redditor asked why that was as that kind of power would be undoubtedly useful. Sure there were theories as to why no such examples existed, namely Makima may not perceive Future Devil to be inferior to her. Another theory was more interesting and definitely has an impact: Because she knew it wouldn't be useful to her. Why?.... because allegedly the future the Future Devil can see or allows you to see is the type that can't be avoided. This invokes actual real life discussions on world lines and time lines. After all, These precognitions at the time they're seen supposedly take into consideration that the viewer has foreknowledge of what would happen with all of the changes in behaviors that knowledge would deterministically cause. All of this plays into the Future Devil's playful but sadistic nature by leading people to think they can escape their fate by supposedly knowing it. This seeming reality is why some people say that the Future Devil's visions contain fates that can't be changed... which makes sense in light of the aforementioned. All that said, I'm not sure the use of the Future Devil lends any actual advantages to Makima in this fight. @@Dylannister

[@Dylannister]

@@TheRealJesaynt 1. Most likely not. As we see in the International Assassin Arc, Makima can communicate with Princi when she's in hell while she's on Earth, which is an entire separate dimension and can even use her to teleport there, meaning sealing even if removed to a different dimension, would not work on her, as the Spider Devil allows her to teleport between Dimensions. We also see that her contract still works when she was in Hell fighting the Darkness Devil, though it's not exactly stated that it is her contract working as Makima should also have very high level of regeneration just with her own powers since she's a very high tier Devil and they have shown to have very good regeneration. But given the fact that we have an explanation for her regeneration being the contract and not her own powers, the former seems more likely. 2. We see Makima use the Future Devil specifically through Aki when she was fighting the Gun Devil. If you look at Ch76 Pg 11, you'll see a full spread of all the abilities she's activating at once and one of them is the Future Devil's powers. So we know for a fact that Makima can use the devil's powers at her whim, and Future is one of the devils that the Public Safety Division keeps in their basement to make contracts with whenever they want, so there's no reason to think Makima who was a high ranking member of said organisation, wouldn't have access to or superiority over that as well. As for the abilities of the Future Devil itself, the way it works is entirely dependent on Future and it'll give you some of its power depending on what you give in exchange, but in Aki's case because his future was so horrific it opted to give him 4-5 second Pre-Cog on the condition it'll live in his eyes so it can see his grim fate directly. And we have a case in Part 2 where Convicts asked when they were going to die and the date given was months ahead. Ergo, we know the Future Devil has the ability to see up to months ahead if it wanted to. Now how this applies to Makima is that we know that the personality of the devil and the sacrifice you need to activate their powers becomes irrelevant, as through her Control ability she can make the Devil's want to use their abilities for her or she can use them with no cost to herself as opposed to the average Devil Hunter. We see this through devils such as Spider, Angel, Future, Hell, Snake, etc. As to why Makima never seemly used the ability more often is for a few reasons but stems mainly from Makima having a superiority complex, which is written as a character flaw for her. Makima is a very powerful Devil. As such her physical abilities should be pretty high as the hierarchy of Devils is power based, and that power comes from fear. Makima being a Horseman, she is one of the highest tiers of Devils, so she should be capable of being as strong as other high tier devils such as Gun, Darkness, Falling, etc. But we see Makima all the time get killed by regular bullets or by regular humans, which isn't really fitting for her stature, right? Well those things happen because Makima never tried to dodge or block any attacks that come her way, because of her contract she sees herself as literally immortal and nothing that ever tried to harm her will ever work, so why bother trying to avoid an attack where you can take it and instantly heal back? As such there's hardly a moment where she has to go all out or we ever see her stressed. Even against Gun, Darkness or Pochita she fought them seemly unnerved and even sometimes smiling throughout. TLDR: Makima never used the Future Devil more often then she could had because she didn't feel the need to, as she is over confident in her own superiority over everyone to a fault.

[@anpalpalski]

I just saw Clyde’s Video on this 😭

[@austenpowers9940]

I can take them both (not in a fight)

[@sixfromtokyo]

excuse me???

[@arkdoesstuff7362]

@@sixfromtokyo you heard him

[@xebec995]

Bruhhhh

[@limbo9993]

me too

[@imagineteaming4324]

bro didnt stutter, priorities

[@mi4lh]

this makima downplay in this vid is so insane i have to believe you've never read csm. regardless of thinkin if gojo wins or not u did not represent her or her abilities well in this vid Six

[@victorkaranja1420]

Dawg that is the worst explanation I have seen for justifying the gojo/ yuki Comparison, holy cow

[@sixfromtokyo]

Well I don't agree with it, as I said in the video. I just wanted to include it for the people that do.

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@sixfromtokyo yeh I get that but the argument just collapses on itself with the stretch so I don't see any reason to include it. It's too much for me.

[@jeanchardenoux7991]

I mean, if you wank Gojo while lowballing Makima sure, it's not a fair matchup. Gojo doesn't scale to Yuki's black hole at all. Him being the strongest sorcerer doesn't matter, that black hole was made through hax, not raw AP (It's stated that Yuki's body can only handle her CT up to a certain mass, but that she doesn't have a limit outside of that restraint. The black hole was a suicide move). Kenjaku not only had a hard counter to it, the black hole was also held back by Tengen's barrier and Yuki herself, and even then he had to use SD and *still* almost died. Gojo doesn't even have the highest CE output among modern sorcerers, Yuta does. Makima scales to a 20% Gun Devil, which could level several cities with ease and has calcs up to mountain lvl from his movement speed/ kinetic energy alone. If you want to wank, she'd also scale to Falling reversing the entire planet's gravitational pull, severely damaging every country in the process. Same for speed. Not only was the Sukuna reaction feat pretty blatantly aimdodge, it's a huge outlier due to previous feats and statements. For example Black Flash's speed statement would cap the verse at around mach 600 (which would apply to Gojo and Sukuna since they also use it), and legit scaling Sukuna to ftl would make him thousands of times faster than Hakari, *while weakened*. That's generous, to say the least For abilities, you straight up skipped like 95% of Makima's arsenal. She has Bang (that would work regardless of it traveling a distance, it harmed Darkness which has its own spatial barrier), can cause internal damage with a glance (she kills a yakuza like this), has an army of devils and hybrids, the Angel contract which lets her create weapons that lower the target's lifespan fast enough to kill in one slash, the Hell Devil which can bfr, the Zombie Devil which allows her to resurrect the dead, etc etc She's also able to make people blow up from afar by having someone say their name, and has Princi to teleport herself. Regarding Gojo's DE, it wouldn't work. Halloween does the exact same thing but better, since Gojo only sends a finite amount of information (and a generally lower one, half a year's worth in 0,2 seconds, and it takes a while to kill). Makima resisted the weaker version, and Quanxi straight up surrendered without even trying to have Halloween use the max output. Even if it did work, Makima can fight and regen while having brain damage, and it'd take far too long to kill her even once let alone millions of times (Gojo would also lose his CT temporarely, making him vulnerable to Angel's instakill) Regarding Control, Makima sees every human as inferior, no real reason for Gojo to be an exeption. He never shown to be immune to mind control either

[@MM-fw3wr]

Every powerscaling channel that touches on this debate seemingly only watched JJK and skimped through CSM’s wiki it’s so obvious. It’s always a video of downplaying Makima’s abilities and highballing the fuck outta Gojo (Hollow Purple is reality erasure💀) It makes me wish they just stuck to powerscaling shows like Naruto JJK DB Bleach etc because they look biased as hell whenever they put any CSM powerscaling vids out.

[@hypyu1458]

@@MM-fw3wror because yknow… csm has HELLA unclear ability explanations, like it’s not explained HOW these contracts work or what the conditions are properly

[@CJ-qv4sd]

Gojo is blitzing her before she can even register him as inferior

[@MM-fw3wr]

@@hypyu1458 Well no, even with certain powers left vague, we still see her kill a Yakuza member simply looking at them and we see her attack bypass Darkness Devil’s physical barrier in chapter 66 (after Denji’s attack doesn’t reach in chapter 65) We even see that her contract will continue to work regardless of the attack, as in chapter 96 Kishibe states the contract was still being activated as they were preparing “meals”. (Meaning ANY attack is registered and transferred so Hollow Purple wouldn’t bypass the contract). There’s definitely enough information there to see that the fight is a lot closer than gojo fans love to make it, but they wouldn’t know that since all they do is read the csm wiki instead of the manga itself.

[@hypyu1458]

@@MM-fw3wr ok even in that explanation do you not see what I mean? Like why is causing said yakuza member to die? Like is she idk summoning a disease upon him just by looking, is she using chakra from Naruto and implanting it into his brain 💀 like it’s not clear if it’s an instant death with no drawback, downside, or requirement, etc

[@GofRofTheRevolver]

Man I should do wonder what the opinion of channel mostly based on JJK content thinks about a hypothetically match up between Makima and Gojo I sure do hope he doesn't heavily downplay Chainsaw scaling and make bad points I sure do hope he could take the literal few seconds to go into the video and edit in the fact that Gojo isn't planetary instead of pinning it in the comments I sure do hope he takes time to probably argue points with the audience in the comments instead of back peddling I sure do hope he doesn't heart every comment slightly agreeing with him that way it isn't obvious how he wants the reception to be

[@maniac7302]

He barely downplayed csm

[@x.e_a.n]

@@maniac7302he ain’t gon like your comment buddy stop glazing

[@GunshyFever]

13:02 Makima doesn't gets blitz by the gun devils gun shots, she activates her ability right between the one second gap where he shoots her Makimas durability should scale to her striking strength simple

[@itapproaches3484]

Which it doesn't, as things that scale below her can kill her, we see that a lot of the most powerful devils are more Haxy than durable, the falling devil, and the darkness devil are big examples of this, there's 0 reason to believe that Makima is all that much of a tank as she really doesn't show that she is. Pochita Denji is different because he actually shows impressive durability feats in the ground of his verse, Makima doesn't.

[@Optclzr]

it just blatantly doesnt. She gets ripped apart by menial things

[@GunshyFever]

@@itapproaches3484 I get the fact that things which scale below makima can harm her, Chainsaw Man verse durability is very inconsistent and contradicting therefore to scale makimas durability accuratley who can just scale it to her striking strength as for newtons third law Let me explain the concept Newton's Third Law of Motion dictates that any contact force done by one entity on another will be met with a force on the latter entity on the former that is equal in magnitude, but opposite in direction. This can be summarized with the phrase: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." When durability is being discussed, this is especially relevant. If a character can physically attack with a certain level of Attack Potency, showing no sign of pain from said physical attack should be cause for their Durability scaling to their Attack Potency. This is because the character would be forced to withstand a force equal in magnitude to it, and withstanding such a force means the two would be comparable to one another. Makima was able to land strikes on the Chainsaw Devil (weakened), we see she is easily able to withstand the force of her punches on this version of Denji (which in the video they state is Large Building level albiet it was recalced to Multi-CityBlock level but we will ignore that) Makimas punches would be equal to a force of Large Building level+ or 7.452 Tons of force, since she is able to withstand such a force her durability would scale to this level of AP Common debunks to this will be saying she was easily one shot by this weakened version of Pochita but the case is this version would be stronger than makima, proof of this is that he was able to one shot all the other weapon hybrids who scale above the bat devils feats, albiet the only thing that really saved makima was her ressurection and her remarkable strength abliet it was below this version of Pochita Makimas durability (According tho the calc in this video) should be Large Building level+ around that category Regarding the falling Devil and Darkness devil, the falling devil possessed a human vessel corpse which is the reason why it was easily penetrated, and the darkness devil was only ever harmed via Durability Negation of makimas HAX The best way we can scale these inconsistent durability feats is basing it off raw physical attack potency

[@scyzmo8741]

It doesn’t rlly matter since as stated in the video, gojos striking strength FAR OUTCLASSED the striking strength feats that makima had. So even if you give her that durability a simple punch from Gojo obliterates her.

[@GunshyFever]

@@oddeyesabsolutefailure1487 Yes it can, we use real life physics and apply it to anime to get results of their attack potency, If we didn't there is no way we would know how to accurately scale a character in its category

[@manemane1ful]

She thinks everyone is inferior unless you are chainsaw man but everyone likes to move the goal post. For some abilities but not others.

[@ri_c_e]

go in depth.

[@manemane1ful]

@InTheKitchenWristStirFry when they want a certain character to lose they will always downplay the ability Makima does not care who you are she she deems everyone inferior except Chainsaw man when can erase her from existence. She would simply tell him to turn off infinity and game over but that's no fun for a video so.

[@ri_c_e]

@@manemane1ful Why is Pochita the exception?

[@ri_c_e]

@@manemane1ful and is there any reason she considers "everyone" weaker/inferior.?

[@wswann34]

​@@ri_c_eshe's basically in love with pochita due to his powers (to erase someone from existence once eaten)

[@hmmmmmm6901]

7:26 NO. We literally saw a prime no fatigue Gojo output his strongest attack that was amped to 200% and it was City block level 😂😂 what manga are y’all reading? Cause it’s not jjk

[@cringemeat9430]

The blast radius isn’t planetary but the attack potency is so dense rhag it could blow up the planet if it was big enough

[@Alphaj0r]

​@@cringemeat9430No, yuki herself died to the blackhole and it was done overtime...

[@jasperking442]

Are you stupid? Hollow purple erases things from reality so range of his attack doesn’t matter

[@xebec995]

​@@cringemeat9430nah bro

[@inumakisenpai]

​@@jasperking442No it doesn't😂

[@khal.el.]

Love your videos man, wish you would discuss more battles that would actually be equal and not one sided; but i appreciate how straightforward you are in both your titles and the intros to your videos. 🔥

[@sixfromtokyo]

Gimme an example of a battle you think isn't so one sided. I'll try to do it.

[@Replied_ByMeatr1der5]

​@@sixfromtokyo Baki verse VS Chainsaw man verse?

[@ri_c_e]

one-sided.@@Replied_ByMeatr1der5

[@khal.el.]

@@sixfromtokyo Talking with some friends in a vc as I'm not super good with feats. Others can comment their suggestions as well to assist. Chihiro (Kagurabachi) Vs. Yuji Killua Vs. Kurama (YuYu Hakusho) Sakamoto (Prime) Vs. Tanjiro Appreciate you for viewing my comment.

[@khal.el.]

@@sixfromtokyo also that one jjk stream you did with the tournament ballet, I'd have to rewatch it but there was one with mechamaru that would've been a nice jjk verse matchup.

[@spookkums]

Just bc Gojo shook the balance of the world wouldn't automatically mean Makima would think Gojo isn't inferior than her since that's exactly what Jogo thought. I don't like jjk being lightning timers since the fastest Sorcerer (other than Gojo) isnt close to mhs and Gojo just doesn't have a quantifiable amount of him being faster than the other cast members. Choso's blood can't be faster than sound as Yuji could react point blank and yet Yuji and Choso can't react to Naoya without stacking his speed which is stated to be faster than mach 1 and it has to be mach 2 since he literally gets stronger and becomes mach 3. Maki did need precog to react to mach 3 so Gojo is at best unquantifiable above mach 3. Also Gojo doesnt have imaginary mass. Purple doesnt erase things as multiple characters have tanked it and when Gojo fires it the rubble doesn't get erased. The fight is close but I believe Makima only wins bc she has better hax.

[@spookkums]

Oh and Sukuna's domain is definitely not Small City considering he didn't even destroy all of Shibuya which isn't even 1% of Tokyo

[@jasperking442]

Mach JJK has been debunked for a long time from the author himself stating it doesn’t make sense

[@coffin_sinu6869]

​@@jasperking442 so what's stopping him to recorrect it? A lot of mangaka do redraws and change statements. Moroever if characters are ftl or sol they would easily perform black flash at will which happens when a character put curse energy within 1 microsecond of a physical hit(high hypersonic characters can easily do this at will). Till this day no sorcerer is able to do black flash at will(why? - because they are slow)

[@jasperking442]

@@coffin_sinu6869 what you mean recorrecting it what’s he point of him doing that and your second point is just dumb your using logic in fiction

[@coffin_sinu6869]

@@jasperking442 why won't he recorrect it if he disagrees with his previous work. It's common in mangaka community to change statements and do redrwas. Instead of saying my second argument is dumb and dodging my argument why don't u explain that what's the main reason not a single sorcerer can't perform black flash at will.

[@denilsonvalenzuela5858]

Everytime i come across a jjk vs makima video, makima gets downplayed to extreme levels

[@vincenzocyan]

CSM scales above JJK

[@djt3332]

I really don't understand the FTL scaling in JJk mainly because it is extremely inconsistent arguable only two attacks where FTL but the bigger implication is that if you state sukuna is relative to FTL so gojo is FTL because sukuna vs gojo but then you would have to make the argument that everyone who watched the sukuna vs gojo can pressive FTL. and on the hikari feat one hikari didn't doge the attack he saw the attack, secondly that attack isn't really kashimo attack speed if anything the fight supports that base kashimo is relative if not a bit faster when fighting jackpot hikari and in fact base kashimo is presented as relative to that post gojo sukuna and kashimo's amber beast is faster. also again in the kashimo vs sukuna fight base kashimo gets hit by lighting more if you use the anime then toji in shibuya is also not fast enough to doge lighting. so I actually it is more likely that gojo is likely a lighting timer with teleportation powers. any way good video, thank you for reading and sorry about speeling

[@aaronbrown125]

very good points. would you say that gojo's speed is at least hypersonic? I would say he is somewhere around mach31 when he uses Blue ofc

[@RedLights9000-f3l]

Tbf everyone was watching the fight thanks to mei mei recording everything and she stated that she's selling the fight to everyone so she probably gave them a slow motion version of the fight

[@gamingtoast7974]

Wdym toji literally dodged the lightning in shibuya in the anime. Bro had enough time to turn, look at the lightning, and still had enough time to dodge it. And gojo and sukuna should both be way faster than this. As it has been made clear, Gojo and sukuna are on completely different levels than everyone else.

[@Off_tomuch]

​@gamingtoast7974 it hit him blew up then he jumped out the building rewatch the scene

[@gamingtoast7974]

@Off_tomuch this is going to be hard to explain, but to me, it looks like he does dodge it and jumps out of a different building. When toji jumps out, he has to break the window, even though the explosion broke all the windows from where it happened. Also, toji and his clothes show no sign of damage at all. And finally we see megumi running from the explosion on the top of a building, presumably the explosion happening in a taller building behind it, and he just jumped down on the building from that taller building, because why would he climb on top of the building just to jump off when an explosion is about to happen? When toji jumps, he lands right where megumi landed. So he jumped from the same building, megumi jumped down from not the previous building he was in, you know the one that exploded. So, to me, toji did dodge it, went into the other building following megumi, and jumped down from that different building. Because again all the windows were fine in that building that he jumped from, because he literally had to break the window. I hope this makes sense. It's kind of hard to message what im trying to say.

[@josephvaccariello4181]

Honestly a lot of these vids that keep popping up are like super stupid. We dont know makima full abilities and we wont likely know them till nayuta shows them off and explains them eventually. I have not watched the vid yet but underneath is how i see a lot of this going. We know Gojo potency of his cursed techniques go down the more he uses them. We know same goes for his RCT unless he hits a black flash to help restore it. He doesnt have actual infinite stamina if he did the output would have never lowered vs sukuna. This means gojo simply lacks the output based stamina and we know he lacks the physical stamina as well when he was winded a bit after killing a buncha fodder not fighting back due to Infinite void transfigured humans. Makima is a lot more powerful then any and no way gojo output or physical stamina lasts to kill her enough. This means physical attacks like red and blue or punches are useless in this fight. Makima brain will regen from infinite void acting more like a cursed spirit then a human since thats how devil regen work and its implied her contract even works on soul dmg caused by the darkness devil (it would not make all of japan braindead it would make 1 person at a time) Combine this with her not really being caring about the cosmo devil infinite info dump and their ability to remember erased concepts sorta infers their mind is at a higher level then gojo technique is. This is slightly conjecture tho. This simply only leaves hollow purple as a possible win con. If you believe physical disintegration from hollow purple would prevent her from coming back then yeah gojo can win (even tho with the ability of the future devil future sight she would really never get caught fully in that thus allowing her to just come back) Makima can depending on what you believe bypass the infinity with a few ways. We know the darkness devil can form an invisible shield capable of casually blocking denji attacks and we know that her chains can phase through solid objects as well as bang appearing to simply instantly hit like a domain sure hit. We also know they have space manipulation from all the portals they use to summon devils around. We also know that light bypasses infinity likely due to light particles being smaller than the atomic scale and makima has the angel devil light spear attack. If you dont think any of these things work then well gojo would legit expand his domain at some point and have it broken fromthe outside by her minions and then they jump gojo and turn him to paste. For gojo to win this you have to believe he completly outstats makima and that purple is enough to kill even tho ya seem to need a non attack to kill her such as what denji did.Tho tbh theirs a chance that makima just like chose to die since it was her dream to be eaten by chainsaw man since we know that even as cubes of meat people were dying from her contract.

[@kungawogcelu9898]

Although i agree that Gojo gets most of the categories, i don't agree that he wins in a fight, because he has absolutely no way of killing Makima or getting around her contract. People like saying that Gojo's purple would work because its imaginary mass and it erases things from reality which is not true since after Gojo hit Hanami's arm with purple she was able to regenerate it using reverse cursed technique ( there's been more instances like this further proving my argument)debunking the whole imaginary mass and reality erasure argument. Cuz if y'all didn't know reality or existence erasure is the abilty to erase something or someone from everyones memories, from every timeline, every dimension and it's impossible to bring it back into existence unless you're a very powerful reality warper but we know that this is not the case for Hanami and she used reverse cursed technique to bring her arm back and no reverse cursed technique cannot bring things that have been erased from reality back to reality, if u even try to argue that ur dumb. People also like to argue that Gojo's domain would work on Makima which is also not true since makima has 0 cursed energy and a domain's sure hit affect cannot target people with no cursed energy as seen with maki unless that domain's sure hit affect can target inanimate objects like sukuna's, Dagon's and Jogo's, but unfortunately for Gojo that is not the case since his domain targets someone's brain and cannot effect any inanimate objects, so it won't even work on makima. And no you cannot argue Gojo can kill makima over 126million times cuz he just doesn't have the stamina for that, in shibuya it took gojo abt 5 minutes to kill plus/minus 1000 tranfigured humans who were paralyzed and couldn't even fight back, after that he's shown standing there huffing and puffing indicating he was exhausted, so idk why ppl like to say he has limitless stamina cuz he absolutely doesn't so he won't be even be able to kill less than a quarter of makima's lives before completely running out of stamina. Gojo absolutely has no win cons in this fight, ppl just think that cuz he's overrated and no one wants him to lose to a woman. Now onto makima's win cons: 1. She can damage gojo internally by attcking his brain, Gojo has no way of defending himself against this. 2. She can use her shrine ritual abilty again Gojo's infinity cannot block this since it does not travel a distance 3. Her bang abilty could also work on Gojo since it worked on the darkness devil who had a shield around him and makima was still able to bypass it Makima wins with no concept of diff.

[@zach8107]

I have an extremely hard time believing Domain Expansion ends Makima. It literally hasn't ended anybody in it's own series, and chainsawman has a character with basically the same ability that didn't even attempt to use it when she was about to be killed

[@bamby7766]

And also at the end of the day Domain Expansion just basically cause brain damage. It's not like it's trapping the targets soul or some shit, it's just an attack that targets the brain. Makima would simply redirect it like she did when she got shot in the head.

[@zach8107]

@@bamby7766 that, and the fact that she has no cursed energy and wouldn't be affected by it in the first place

[@effortless4588]

Makima has no way to damage gojo​ man @zach8107

[@victorkaranja1420]

​@@effortless4588angel could possibly do it depending on interpretation

[@animewolf7921]

​@@effortless4588 remember episode 11 how she killed the yakuza dudes without sacrificing others ....just by looking into their eyes. ..... That would be enough.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Pretty much agree with everything my only question is what about quanxi's fiend of cosmos? Cosmo could use an ability similar to gojo forcing a target to understand everything in the universe frying their brain and quanxi despite having her gave up immediately. Also makima resurrected Cosmo along with quanxi iirc so Cosmo would be in her arsenal and her ability can be triggered just by looking at her. Not saying this gives makima the win just curious.

[@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur]

She speed blitz the Cosmo devil. Can't happen with Gojo.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur I mean in character Gojo let's his opponents attack him to flex infinity and I doubt he'll prepared for a random girl just shouting Halloween at him which triggers the attack. Also makima seems to have done a ritual to kill Cosmo since kishibe and someone else put on blindfolds before makima arrived.

[@isac5head-248]

@@darktigersharkmax4432Gojo is immune to his own UV and Gojo states his brain refreshes itself constantly. Gojo also has 6 eyes and limitless that can comprehend math at an insane level

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@isac5head-248 He's most likely immune since he's the one that created the domain. But yeah I did forget about the brain refreshing thing.

[@Dylannister]

Makima's AP should absolutely not be scaled to just her feats. Not only is the Pochita kicking that hybrid into a building not the best feat to used since there are much better feats that Pochita scales to. But this is the exact same problem I had with DBs interpretation where they picked the most impressive looking feat and only scale Makima to that, while ignoring context that suggests Makima should me much, much higher. Like how for instance DB scaled Makima to just the City LVL Tornado Devil, but we know Makima can damage the Darkness Devil who's considered a Transcendent being compared to someone like a potential full powered Gun Devil that was destroying multiple cities around the world at the same time, or to the Falling Devil who was causing gravity fluctuations around the globe creating natural disasters with just their appearance alone in Japan. Makima getting one shot every slash by Denji or Fake Denji or by basic bullets is so irrelevant. She never tries to dodge or block attacks that she reasonably could because she doesn't need to cause she knows every attack to her are inconsequential as she can just revive instantly with no repercussions. We know for a fact that Makima should be much more durable and powerful physically if she wanted to because the fear of Devils gives them an overall power boost with the most feared devils also being the most powerful ones too, and we see this blantly with Yoru getting a massive boost in overall power and speed in the recent chapters. So there's no way a Horseman who's one of the strongest Devils in the series that scales to Primal fears is weaker than and would had died to normal bullets if she didn't have her contract, like c'mon man. Again the massive lowball to Makima's scaling. The likes of Angel and Denji all reacted to bullets, Quanxi would had purely blitzed and killed Angel if it weren't for Pre-Cog and even then Angel barely reacted in time and Makima slashes Quanxi's head off before she could even react. And we just see the Nail Fiend blitz out of the way of a wall of machine gun fire many times. All these characters Makima scales way above and should be as fast as them bare minimum if she wanted to. Makima likely did not get "blitzed" by a bullet from the Gun Devil, by that point she had the Future Devil's ability activated so she would had saw it coming and she just chose not to move because again, why would she? The attacks are inconsequential to her. We also know the bullets were have to be moving at mach 1457, since as soon as the Gun Devil started firing we see the bullets appear at Makima's location a second later which is at least 500km away so 500km/s. And to reiterate, this is a Gun Devil at just 20% of its power, and a potential full powered version is considered merely "some devil" compared to the Primal fears that Makima scales to. Which is consistent scaling because Makima absolutely wiped the fall with this version of Gun within seconds. And again, Makima getting tagged by characters or things much slower than that is not an anti-feat for Makima since she always allows herself to get hit. I don't subscribe that Sukuna dodges Kashimo's attack, to me it was clearly more of an aim dodge than an actual dodging of the attack. We even see Kashimo use a similar attack just before this from even further away, and Sukuna wasn't able to dodge that despite it should've been an easier time than this feat. You forgot the Hell Devil for Makima which can BFR him to hell. You're also severaly downplaying the Future Devil and Makima's capabilities with using devils via her contract, which allows her to use the power of Devils without any limit or negative connotation to herself. Meaning if she wanted to she can use the Future Devil to see up to months into the future at a time and not just seconds. Meaning she could perceive the entire fight with Gojo in an instant. It's irrelevant if Gojo does destroy Makima's "goons" since Makima can revive them and still use their abilities. Makima can have Princi be available a long distance away and just spam her teleportation whenever she needed to. Bang being able to travel or not is contentious, but there's plenty of argument to suggest that it could because most of Makima's arsenal works via attacking the target directly (her squish ability which you didn't even mention) or internally (finger pointing) like she did to the Darkness Devil which you also didn't even mention. Also "Gojo could just stay out the range of Makima's bang if he wanted to", you do realise that Makima was literally shooting Pochita from the ground while he was literally in orbit, right? How the hell is Gojo staying out of range? There's absolutely no reason why Makima wouldn't see Gojo as inferior to herself. It's in character for Makima to perceive someone by the smell of what species they are first and foremost, and since there's nothing to imply Makima could smell energy. Makima would just see Gojo as a human and control him since she views all humans like pets. Even in the context of JJK, characters who have heightened senses and no Curse Energy didn't view Gojo as anything special, specifically Toji who "didn't know what the big deal was" about Gojo, which is why he went and scouted him out and was only nerved when Gojo noticed he was behind him, which was the first and only time that has ever happened in Toji's life. It's crazy how so many youtubers who does this matchup just blantly misunderstood the relationship between Makima and Pochita and why she couldn't just instantly control him. Makima didn't refer Pochita just because he was strong, it has everything to do because he was her idol who was known as the "Hero of Hell" for getting up every time he was killed and has the ability to erase concepts which is what she needed for her plan to change the world. This admiration didn't come instantly but over a long period of time of fighting against him with the other Horseman. These factors just simply could never be replicated by Gojo. And just being stronger than her or even killing her wouldn't make Makima respect you either, as I've said multiple times Makima lets just anyone kill her from Denji to even random regular people with a gun. Makima's contract works by undoing the effect of an attack on her by having a japanese citizen die in her place via accident or illness. As long as what hits her is considered an attack conceptually even outside of Makima's knowledge, the contract will work itself to revive or heal her. As we see Makima could have her brains blown out and her life instantly ended, or even be minced meat and her contract is still actively working to revive her. So there's nothing to suggest that Gojo's attacks which were retconned to virtual mass fyi not imaginary, would work around the contract as they would be considered as an attack first and foremost. Unlimited Void is also considered an attack thus her contract would work itself to heal her, and we do know it does deal damage if use long enough as Sukuna bleeds profusely from it. Regardless the idea that information from UV is more like "experience" that sits there is just blantly unfounded, not how it's even described and doesn't work as you explained. Since we know UV isn't pure information loading like knowledge that stays there, it's perception and thought overload in the form of information that slowly goes away once UV is turned off and the victim's perception has returned to normal. And the example you gave as to why Makima's contract doesn't heal the information doesn't even make logical sense and purely based on the assumption that Makima must had knew who killed her before she died, and not that she figured it out afterwards because they were all just standing there alone with guns in their hands the moment she resurrected. Not to mention CSM has Cosmo, who can inject the entire understanding of everything in the universe (which is basically just a fancier way of saying an infinite amount of information) into someone just by saying "Halloween" at them, and not only could Makima use this character as apart of her arsenal, but there was an instance where Cosmo tried it on Makima and she was unaffected. There's less of a reason to think that Cosmo didn't try to use it here since her and her partners life were literally being threatened and were about to be killed by Makima. Pochita's erase ability would work, but again that's only because of Makima worshipping Pochita that she would be okay with letting him eat her. Plus the concept erasure of CSM and JJK are just on entirely different levels with in CSM erasing the entire concept from history and by extension literally altering the entire world around the change, but the JJK "conceptual erase" doesn't nearly do as much and just works more like a very precise level of destruction.

[@maniac7302]

I love how you couldn’t even put a tier for ap because all of it is unquantifiable

[@The_Omnipotent_Lurk]

⁠@@maniac7302Ah a Jujutsu Kaisen stan who can’t even debunk anything of the commenters points above but with one meaningless poor sentence. Lol do you even realise that you just proofed his point, when you don’t even try to respond to her statements? lmao

[@chiaki.hayakawa18]

​@@maniac7302Planetary lvl, since Makima is relative to Falling Devil, who reverse Earth gravitational force, just by being on CSM Earth. Even if you wanna low ball Makima, she should be above Nuclear Devil, who is stronger than Normal Nukes. Normal nukes is Mountain lvl, Likely Higher, since our world reduce it fire power on the internet. High ball CSM top tier characters are Small Star at minimum, since Hero of Hell defeated a star that light is dangerous to children in a different dimension. Hero of Hell Chainsaw Man erased it, and in CSM Earth dimension aka Milky Way galaxy, that Star was also erased

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

​@@chiaki.hayakawa18 that's hax

[@Sir_Arsene]

This fight is super unfair. for Gojo that is. Here's why Makima destroys the honored one and my reasoning. Ill also address your points Gojo ap: Yeah i agree with Gojo having multi city level ap. It makes sense in series and has plenty of proof backing it up. Makima ap: alright let's do this, ahem. First let's bring up other characters in chainsaw man. The gun devil is able to completely eviserate cities with his gun. Statements and pixel mearusementd in the series show how the gun devil attacks at a range of over 500km and a width of 105 meters. For those unaware of how massive that is, it's large enough to be considered a very small country. But since it was done over the span of 26 seconds, it's only about Island Ap. Then we have Pochita who defeated the living embodiment of nuclear weaponry, and survived attacks from the death devil who is the strongest in the verse. Next we have the Falling devil who's precense generated enough energy to cause global landslides, tsunamis, and Earthquakes. Such power is estimated to be in the country ap range. And of course the Darkness Devil who is stronger than the characters i mentioned before. Now that we have that context, recall how Makima's bangs were strong enough to not only draw blood from Pochita, but send him all the way into outer space. And, the 1k year spear fatally wounded him. Additionally, she eviscerated half of the darkness devil's body with just the snap of her finger. Let me repeat that. With the snap of her fingers, half the body of a country level threat, was completely eviscerated. Makima's telekinetic blast are mountain-country level, depending on attack. Which is definitely enough to kill gojo. Gojo durability: Again, i agree with Gojo being multi city block. No arguments here. Just don't forget that sorcerers can be killed by normal means like guns if they're not reinforced with cursed energy. Makima durability: Makima's durability is... Just building level. Honestly, it's probably lower since bullets go through her completely. Gojo definitely has higher durability, no argument there. Gojo speed: Gojo is at most like mach 400. This is because of the Sukuna's speed feat in shibuya, and i just rounded it up to 400 cause that was just 15 fingers. Now as to your additional speed feats... Hakari clearly didn't dodge the attack. He was merely just stammering back. This is backed up by 3 reasons. Firstly, Hakari's lightning works like real lightning, so it needs a conduit. If not it's accuracy is inconsistent. The angle of the attack was weird, which was done for dramatic effect, so it could of easily just hit his shoulder. Dramatic effects like these are something that the author himself said aren't indicative of their true speed, such as Maki catching the bullet. Secondly, this speed feat would Hakari over the likes of Toji and Maki. Which is clearly not true whatsoever, and serves proof that this isn't meant to be taken seriously. So him simply recoily fits with other feats and makes logical sense. And as for your sukuna dodging lightning feat... Yeah, he didn't really dodge the lightning itself. The attack has a delay before firing, and he avoided it during said time. Which fits with his feats, since he was getting absolutely blitzed by Hakari before fully transforming. Seriously, re-read that chapter, Hakari was putting in the work. Anyways my claim is clearly choreographed in the manga, as he avoided it before it fired. Moving out of the way before it's even fire, isn't lightspeed, it's just stepping away. Once again, this claim fits the speed feats already shown, and since he doesn't dodge lightning after it being fired at any point, it fits. So yeah, in a nutshell, not lightspeed. Gojo is just mach 400. Oh and he can move slightly faster with the use of Blue's attraction. Makima speed: Even if Makima was warned beforehand of the gun devil's arrival with the future devil... It still doesn't change her speed feats shown. Foresight doesn't change the fact that she was able to follow the gun devil while it was moving at massively hypersonic speeds. Foresight doesn't change the fact that she actived her counter ability after the gun devil's mach 1400 bullet fired, and before it hit her. Foresight doesn't change the fact that she landed a hit on gun devil from 500km away. Simply warning someone of an attack, doesn't mean that they can avoid it no matter what. You still have to be fast enough to react to it. And this isn't even an outlier feat for the higher tiers in Chainsaw man. As the falling devil attacks with gravity waves, the light speed 1k year spear, and how pochita defeated the living embodiment of a sun's ray, as well as being able to react to 1k year spear. So you can't even argue that the gun devil is an outlier. Conclusion, Makima is massively hypersonic-massively hypersonic+ speed wise Here's how Makima counters gojo's ability: firstly, don't forget that she has foresight with future devil and can see all his abilities with Pingtzi. Alright, firstly, Gojo's red and blue would still trigger her contract. Simply put, he considers it an attack. Additionally, it's that fact that she's been shredded apart that kills her. Which could very easily get transferred. As to Unlimited Void, it doesn't matter if it harms Makima or not. The contract is purely based on perception of the attacker. Gojo would definitely consider domain expansions as a form of attack. And the attack itself isn't transferred. It's the closest equivalent, no matter how vague or random. The attack could just give a random Japanese citizen just a headache or something. It makes sense why Cosmos didn't bother using Halloween against Makima, when you put this into consideration. Also that point of Makima recalling Infinite void freezing her is just objectively wrong. The memory won't freeze her just like how it didn't freeze Jogo or Sukuna. And don't forget that with Princi, makima could just leave the domain after transferring it. After all of she can travel between two different realms, than she could definitely leave a domain expansion. And as for Purple, ill throw you a bone. If Makima's body is completely destroyed by it without trace, then the contract won't have the time to activate. Even if the contract has been shown to be near instant. Too bad Purple takes a bit before firing. Also i'd like to point out how makima can survive without her head, so with foresight she can blast it off before the domain. There's no point to it, since unlimited void would just be transferred, but just putting that out there. Here's how Makima can bypass infinity: There's bang which needs no explanation. There's her unavoidable finger snap attack which hits you instantly. There's ghost devil who exists on another plain of existence, so they wouldn't be interfered by Gojo or his infinity. There's her ability to cause fatal hemorrhages by just looking at her target. There's Halloween which is a mental attack which would target the frontal lobe (which gojo doesn't refresh). There's her chains which don't actually physically exist, but are still able to tug and pull. Makima can't detect cursed energy so she would just think Gojo is human, meaning she can control him. She could also just teleport far away and kill him with the sacrifice ability. And she isn't afraid to go for the kill right away. Makima destroys Gojo no question about it. Makima has more ap, speed, experience, abilities, and hax. Gojo may be more durable with cursed energy and arguably have higher battle iq, but that's about it. If anyone disagrees feel free to reply in the comments

[@inumakisenpai]

Also, her control powers would automatically end the fight. Makima views all humans as dogs, and Gojo's RCT is completely useless as Reze, who constantly blows up her head and regrows a new one, still gets controlled by Makima so refreshing your brain wouldn't do a thing essentially. EDIT: another point, Kashimo's lightning is stated to be sure-hit so it was always going to hit Hakari's shoulder. A chapter later Hakari failed to dodge a lighting aimed at his head which disapproves him reacting to lightning. I do believe you're confusing Hakari and Kashimo btw.

[@and8091]

Doesn't matter. Goku wins.

[@Zero-hr3gg]

-even bang can pass through infinity, is arguable to damage gojo's body. Gojo CE reinforcement is too way higher than other people.Gojo literally can tank cleve& dismantle that can slash any physical object easily. Also chainsaw devil can tank bank and accelerate him to space, so is didn't powerful enough (and also prove bang is travel distance attack) -ghost devil can be tracking bye six eyes, because curse spirit is also something that normal people can't see. And how tf curse devil can cursing and atta k gojo with hard requirements and jjk is already curse energy concept in story. -for all almost battle statistics gojo is better. Tbh gojo doesn't even need to use purple,domain,and red. Just use blue to crush makima's hand& body instantly like he did against juzo. Speed?gojo is way better.attack?gojo.defence?gojo.dura?gojo. Makima only can win if he has a lot preparation and it not the part of power scaling like you can say light yagami is stronger than gojo because he just write gojo's name. Even Makima re awaken again, just kill her again. Special grade sorcerer is proved to can destroy a while country alone, even gojo and sukuna above special grade so no matter about contract or not (if gojo has evil personality)

[@tinydicksenpai449]

@@Zero-hr3gg special can only destroy a countries army, not an entire country😂

[@Sir_Arsene]

@@Zero-hr3gg - Bang can definitely kill Gojo and here is why. The strongest attack that Gojo has ever tanked is a two way tie between malevolent shrine and Purple (reduced damage) which had an AP approximately around multi city block level. This means that his durability is multi city block. Bang was able to draw blood and seriously hurt Pochita. Pochita defeated stronger devils than the living incarnation of nuclear weaponry. The Tsar bomb is mountain level Ap wise. So that means that Pochita is minimum mountain level durability. Mountain level is higher than Gojo's multi city block durability. So if Makima can hurt Pochita, it can definitely hurt Gojo. And the bang didn't travel distance. It landed on Pochita instantly. - You're right, Gojo can see the ghost devil. But he still can't touch it. It exists on a different plain, so it would still grab him and he wouldn't be able to stop it. As for the curse devil, it wouldn't be able to hurt Gojo because the needle couldn't pass infinity. - I explained the feats and gojo only surpasses makima in durability. Jjk has a speed cap of mach 400 while makima is reacting to mach 1400+ bullets. And I already explained how being able to damage Pochita and Darkness puts Makima at Large mountain. Gojo's strongest attack can maybe reach mountain level if it's a point black purple, but even then it's weaker. - The country statement is only talking about how much energy gojo has. Remember? Kenjaku was telling the military that Gojo has enough energy to fuel Japan for a whole year. Not that his attacks are able to wipe out countries. Also, he isn't able to output that energy all at once anyways. Cause no one has a perfect cursed energy output. However, if you have any feats or statements that disprove me. Please feel free to share.

[@cringemeat9430]

I’m pretty sure makings gun attack travels bc there’s a manga panel where she “shoots” someone in the subway station and a crater appears on wall behind him.

[@The_Omnipotent_Lurk]

So you’re implying that Makima’s Finger gun wouldn’t work on Gojo since it travels and therefore can be repelled by Gojo’s barrier but you seem to forget that, Gojo’s barrier, is still of physical nature since it pressed Hanami back at the Shibuya incident arc against a wall leaving an indentation clearly showing that it made physical contact with the wall and physical attacks won’t work on Makima because her contract with the prime minister redirects any physical attack on to a random japanese citizen. Also Gojo’s Hollow purple isn’t imaginary but Virtual mass it’s a mistranslation, since it exists in the jjk world and physically erases everything in the vicinity, like shown, when he first launched hollow purple it made first physical contact with the landscape within its path in order to erase it, that means it exists in the real jjk world and is hereby an physical attack that also wouldn’t work on makima. Makima on the other hand, doesn’t even need here finger gun, she also has a sacrificial power that affects the target instantly (her crushing the guys who are with the snake girl) funfact: she was able to locate the gun devil from a distance of 500 kilometres. Gojo hasn’t shown such a feat yet.

[@cringemeat9430]

@@The_Omnipotent_Lurk I ain’t readin that whole all bro. Space out your paragraphs and stop putting run on sentences in there like we learned in 8th grade.

[@The_Omnipotent_Lurk]

@@cringemeat9430 Bro you can’t even write Makima’s name correctly, you should be very quiet lmfao

[@cringemeat9430]

@@The_Omnipotent_Lurk it’s autocorrect bruh. This convo ain’t worth the effort of tapping through and fixing all the shit my phone corrects

[@The_Omnipotent_Lurk]

@@cringemeat9430 well then i guess have a good day, if this convo ends here.

[@Ryy_Ricch]

Makima boutta make a contract with the mahoraga devil😭

[@hxlydied]

i dont think Makima would win but i feel like you're making it wayyy too easy for Gojo. saying he's planetary is a crazy level of glazing

[@sixfromtokyo]

I said I DONT think Gojo is planetary and simply gave the argument.

[@itapproaches3484]

Here we have the obligatory "I didn't watch the video at all" argument, Six literally says he doesn't think the argument is true but he's just mentioning it for fun.

[@virtue_be_balling]

I mean... it's not really 'glazing'. It's finnicky, but believable. Gojo is said to be 'The Strongest', and Yuki can create literal black holes. Like I said, *very* finicky, but it's true.

[@quacker2212]

Are you the strongest because you’re Makima? Or are you Makima because you’re the strongest?

[@xebec995]

She aint the strongest at all.

[@Blazegti]

@@xebec995bro took the joke seriously

[@dragondrakage2402]

Im not sure gojos domain would work as gojo uses it as an atk

[@Boteditssx]

Please make a Gojo vs the wonder of you stand (jojolions) I think that would be a super interesting fight to watch and be scaled!

[@aran.m977]

We're ending this year with a banger video on this channel

[@SaberEBW]

Coming in with the heat!!!

[@indrainspace2601]

The issue i see with Gojo's birth changing the world making makima not see him as inferior is that it would bring too much attention to Gojo as a baby to makima. Makima is not a fool and if she is aware of his birth she would more than likely just kill him while he's a baby. This isn't completely out of the question for her since she is willing to deal with beings who would threaten the life of the chainsaw man such as the gun and darkness devil and if Gojo is perceived as that much of a threat then she'd definitely tried to have him killed as a baby. But then again if she doesn't know about the world changing aspect then she would just take control of gojo without question. Another issue with the argument is that it isn't as simple as gojo making things stronger and changing the landscape of the jujutsu world. Makima quite literally looks up to chainsaw man, it isnt just because he's just strong it's mainly due to the work that he's done and the tales of the devils and concepts he's erased. Gojo just making curses stronger for being born and beating up jobbers wouldn't really put that level of admiration into Makima's mind that she has for chainsaw man. It's a pretty night and day difference, one is known (in jujutsu society i might add) as the guy who beats things up and calls himself the strongest while the other has literal war stories of them deleting the concept of nazis, WWII, aids, and nuclear weapons. Not to mention gojo is not exactly known in any other circle outside of jujutsu society as ordinary people just think he's some random guy. The only real way for makima to hear of gojo's reputation is if she was tapped in with jujutsu society. I think Makima would see gojo as inferior to her mainly due to just not knowing anything about him or she would come and kill him as a baby if she really felt that threatened by his birth to where she had to prove to herself she had to beat him in order to feel superior which I don't think would even be the case in the first place. Makima is used to world changing events happening due to being aware of the concepts chainsaw man erases and gojo's birth may just be considered to be somewhat of a strange blip that she would send someone to investigate on rather than getting to that fan girl status she has for chainsaw man. There is another argument to be made that Makima would unironically have no knowledge of the change that gojo had made on the world due to it only affecting jujutsu society and of course you would have to say Makima would have to be tapped into the jujutsu world for her to notice this. Another thing about Gojo changing the world, the cursed users speaking of it compares Gojo changing the balance of the jujutsu world to when an unbeatable track record gets beaten or when a figure skater adds another spin to their jump... I'm not gonna lie if those are the comparisons to gojo's changes to the world from people he would completely obliterate in a fight then Makima really isn't going to care. This is the same person who witnessed and remembers the erasure of a world war, deadly diseases, and nuclear weapons. If gojo's birth is being compared to breaking athletic records in universe then that's not exactly going to really go onto Makima's radar. Other than that hollow purple ggs unless you say Makima has higher durability than Hanami who was able to just barely survive getting hit with one.

[@someguy4405]

Gojo scaling above Yuki does not mean he can achieve a level of attack power only accessible by hax exclusive to her.

[@victorkaranja1420]

Also I don't really understand thr small town level scaling when it's clear he wasn't trying on the feinds, whereas makima does clear damage to him with her bang, like, we don't actually know how much poshita can exert from that attack alone

[@Dylannister]

Picking this one feat to use to scale the series is really weird considering there's much better feats in the series that Makima definitely scales to. It's like when Death Battle used the tornado devil as the ceiling for CSM characters when we know in context that whatever Tornado would do is fodder to Makima who is much, much higher on the pecking order of devils

[@maniac7302]

It’s literally the second highest scaling calc the verse has take it or leave it

[@Dylannister]

@@maniac7302 we literally have feats and statements with Gun and Falling that are far more impressive than being kicked into a few buildings, and Makima in context scales above these characters. No I will not just take it lmfao shut up

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@maniac7302 naaaah it's hall of fame terrible scaling, I request a retrial

[@victorkaranja1420]

@@Dylannister falling did everything she did by just putting a emanation of herself in a weak humans body presumably like darkness did with santa lol, literally made earthquakes with around the world and with no effort was flinging all those buildings around lol

[@thestrongdecide]

Lol I love how out of all the possible arena’s you cud give these characters, it just happened to be where I live😂

[@enderthevirtualstation1996]

i don't think makima would be erased by hollow purple, chainsawman's erase works diferent from it. it was showed that hollow purple doesn't literally erase things, and if it does, it doesn't affect everything, because gojo used it on sukuna with 200%, and instead of being erased, he was standing up with just some burns, it should erase not only him, but even the cursed technique that he probably used to defend himself, if it didn't erased that, why it would cancel makima's contract? when chainsaw devil eats an devil, not only they gets erased, but they entirely existence in time and memory is erased, that's why even if the makima's contract works, there would have no makima to revive, there never was one. and yet, the contract works whenever she's killed by someone with the intention of killing her, let's say that using hollow purple really erases things, it would erase her body, but erasing her body doesn't mean that she has been killed? i don't think in a scenario where makima has all her contracts gojo could definetely kill makima, even if her starts without seeing him as inferior, which for me is impossible for her not to, he's a human, she's a devil, she could just think he has some type of contract that isn't any of the most powerful demons that exists in hell. her contract's could counter gojo's domain (halloween), her contract doesn't let her die, throwing her to space wouldn't work (teleportation), and she has 4 simple ways to kill him: using control, space manipulation, he kills her too much or using angel, and if that wasn't enough, makima is clearly faster than gun devil, who is according to some calculations, is mach 407. the only chance for gojo to "win" is if halloween doesn't work on time and the domain gets her, but even so, she just gets paralized for an certain time and he can't do anything to kill her. the only thing that i agree on this video is that this isn't really a close fight, in the end, it's just a timer for gojo's death.

[@colinbrooks2049]

You're terrible at explaining hollow purple. It is a matter erasure but not to the point where the concept of it doesn't exist for example when sukuna DODGE hollow purple bit it burnt his whole face and took his arm and he couldn't use rce on it because he erased it from existence. Maxima contract wouldn't be gone but her existence would be no more. Also taking into consideration that gojos iv isn't quite the same thing as cosmo. Gojos DE is more complex. For example if I said the word dog but I kept saying it repeatedly to the point where you can hear each individual letter and even to the point of breaking down the letter and to the point where the word dog doesn't even sound like a word anymore. Cosmo at the other hand just happens and when you perceive it. It never will happen again. But for gojo it happens infinitely

[@inumakisenpai]

​@@colinbrooks20491.Hollow Purple essentially is push (red) and pull (blue) into affect and thus shreds things. It's not matter deletion nor existence erasure as Hanami, who got hit by HP, healed from it. Sukuna, who got hit by an amped up HP, tanked it entirely and healed from it. And it sure as hell isn't soul erasure as well (I've been seeing this around) as Toji, who also got hit by Hollow Purple, came back in Shibuya. Hollow Purple is a virtual mass, not imaginary. 2. Gojo's UV is a finite of information repeated infinity. This is the correct definition. Gojo's UV itself isn't infinite as in Shibuya he used .2 second of activation that would result to 6 months worth of information. It's clearly not infinte. If it were infinite, then everyone he used UV wouldn't have survived nor come back to reality but stay permanently braindead (like Cosmo's power).

[@enderthevirtualstation1996]

@@colinbrooks2049 you have no proof on how cosmo power works, the only thing known is how it is activated on other people, and even if cosmo doesn't make any difference, there's no way hollow purple would erase makima forever, as i said, even if makima is erased, the contract is something hollow purple couldn't affect, it has ben shown so much times that hollow purple was nerfed and works now just like a super strong attack, even i tought that it was like destruction energy from dbs but i was wrong, and besides, makima is much faster than it, mentaly and fisicaly, even if gojo's domain affects makima, she will recover a lot faster than it, and will just dodge

[@colinbrooks2049]

@@enderthevirtualstation1996 there is bi way you just said there's no proof on how cosmo works they literally stated that to more people that fear the concept of having knowledge of everything it gets stronger. And when has it been shown where hollow purple got nerfed he only uses it like 3 times throughout the whole Manga

[@colinbrooks2049]

@@enderthevirtualstation1996 she is not much faster than hollow purple. Sukuna can bearly dodge his hollow purple and sukuna can dodge electromagnetic waves that are faster than light, used by kashimos amber. She barely has any speed and durability feats at all.

[@ItsShowtime1924]

This video aged like milk

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Thank you for the awesome animated fight at the end of the video. Please keep it up. Happy early New Years, everyone.

[@redman10]

W vid and w animation at the end

[@cosmicx9628]

Massive downplay of the chainsaw man verse makima should atleast have country level ap and massively Hypersonic speed and she doesn’t need to amp herself because she can just regenerate

[@maniac7302]

Small city at best No where near mhs

[@cosmicx9628]

@@maniac7302 makima bang >= chainsaw man > nuclear bomb devil= country The gun devil is mhs and chainsaw man scales above it and makima can tag chainsaw man with her attacks

[@GunshyFever]

@@maniac7302 Makimas attack speed and reaction speed is easily Massively Hypersonic+ The creator only uses current calcs in the VSBW fandom which is fine Albeit he used calcs on the JJK side which here rejected so it does indicate some type of bias

[@haunbeuii1635]

​@@cosmicx9628Makima's bang was shown to only slightly damage Pochita, the only thing that actually hurt him was the 1000 year spear

[@TsuchiRolll]

Gojo wouldn't let all of japan die just to kill her either

[@locosword3985]

"I think this is how the battle would go if Gojo was really just trying to just get it done: Infinite void, and boom, destroys her completely with a hollow purple."

[@johnss9114]

just going to say this makima wins. for some reason gojo is planetary. no he's not. hollow purple is also not existence erasure, it's just a really strong attack. gojo ap does not scale to yyuki black hole. the entire ftl argument is bs, mach 3 statement, get hit by sound attack, not blitzing yuji, higurama, characters who we know aren't mach 1, gets tagged by mach 1 piercing blood in the latest chapter. makima no diffs him simply by thinking he's lower than her. no reason for that to be different. if that doesn't work, summons hell devil and cast him to hell where he dies.

[@dtdc7209]

I think the planetary argument was just highballing gojo (which I think he says). Six has mentioned previous that he does not agree with the yuki argument.

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

Mach 3 was naoya who maki blitzed 🥱

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

MAKIMA got hit by normal dude

[@Blazegti]

@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFANMakima is faster than the gun devil who low balled is 100+ faster than sound as well…

[@IqbalEvolusi]

​@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFANmakima don't care bullet hit hershe can spamm transfer death😂

[@yexttv]

i love how most of the comments didint read csm. six, i bet you didint think of the fact that makima would never believe a born human to be greater that her. please do better analysis and dont just say that your favourite character will win.

[@brenreyes3703]

Gojo isn't just a human. He's the strongest sorcerer. His birth changed the balance of the world. Made adults fear him when he was a kid. Born with 2 super rare and op abilities. That's more impressive than anything makima has ever done. Pls think before saying your waifu wins.

[@mellar5864]

Makima reacts to the darkness devil, which is faster than the gun devil, making her faster than gojo. Comparing a cut to an explosion is also a horrible comparison, a cut is obviously much easier to heal, since the tissue is still intact but only disconnected, an explosion would completely destroy the tissue and spread it far apart. makima easily wins, the gojo glazing is crazy. Gojo can obviously not do anything close to a black hole.

[@brenreyes3703]

Cope "Makima easily wins the Gojo glazing is crazy" the makima barking is crazy

[@mellar5864]

@@brenreyes3703 I'm not a makima fan lol. i know know more about gojo than makima, i don't even read csm manga, i just did my research. Gojo's kit is just way overrated, he wins most match ups due to speed and his infinity, both won't help him in this fight. Makima could literally just teleport away and perform the ritual to one shot him from somewhere.

[@brenreyes3703]

@@mellar5864 explain

[@mellar5864]

@@brenreyes3703 makima can just teleport away and set up a ritual to one shot him. She is also faster than him, bc she could keep up with the darkness devil, which is faster than the gun devil. Her telekenesis abilities can bypass infinity and she can see into the future. The only thing gojo is better at is raw power and domain counters her. She has no reason to fight him in close combat, which is the only chance gojo would have and even then he would run out of cursed energy before he could burn through all of her lives. Gojo's only way to win is an instant domain expansion, which could kill her and every other japanese citizen.

[@brenreyes3703]

@@mellar5864 "Makima can just teleport away and set up a ritual to one shot him" it needs prep time in order to set up and gojo can also teleport. "Her telekinetic abilities can bypass Infinity" If you mean Bang can bypass its wrong. We clearly see it's an actual projectile that travels. This was proven when she killed power. If you mean makima killing gojo by staring at him which sounds like a good argument but when you realize it's a part of her control abilities and she needs to find him lesser than herself. It was never explained that is it or if it's not but it just makes way too much sense. Gojo can heal from it even if it doesn't work like that "Gojo can only win with domain expansion" Can makima come back from a hollow purple if there is nothing of her left? Yeah I thought so

[@taityler1]

Why didn't you use the gun devil feats if makima is over him

[@moisesmartinezmorales5885]

I think it can be proved Makimas "bang" ability does travel and this is with Power's death...when Makina used the ability on her it not only killed power but it also kept traveling through Power's body until it hit the wall behind Power which for me it's evidence that "bang" does travel making it useless against Gojo

[@Dylannister]

Just because it travelled past Power and into the wall, it doesn't mean that the attack originates from Makima's fingers and travels from there. Most of Makima's kit works by attacking the person directly with her squish ability or internally by just pointing her finger or staring at her target. So there's nothing to imply that Bang wouldn't also work by starting from the body or internally if Makima wanted to. And it's even consistent in context with Pochita who should be faster than Makima, but he isn't able to react and stop the Bangs from hitting him into space, and is only when Makima stops is when he pulls his heart out and comes back via throwing it.

[@moisesmartinezmorales5885]

@@Dylannister but Pochita not being able to react doesn't means the attack's instantaneous either because 1. They are invisible(or at least implied) meaning it could be Pochita not being able to see them 2. They are faster than Makimas and Pochitas own travel speed Anyways I was bringing that up because it's weird that the attack kept moving until it hit the wall behind Power but it could be like you said the attack simply appeared instantaneously on power and then moved but honestly it's hard to say maybe they'll explain how it truly works on a data book

[@Dylannister]

@@moisesmartinezmorales5885 even if Pochita couldn't perceive the attacks coming, he could had still done literally anything about it rather than just letting himself get ragged dolled into space, like attempting to block it or anything that would help him move out of the way. But he doesn't and he isn't able to do anything until Makima stops. And there's also the fact that the bang continues to hit Pochita seemly instantly after every bang, despite the fact that Pochita is getting much, much further away with every hit and he is still unable to do anything despite the bang coming from a further distance with every attack. So either Makima is for some reason amping the speed everytime she uses it and not just using it to the fullest potential everytime or it is hitting him instantaneously, which is why Pochita can't do anything no matter how far away he was.

[@unendingvoid]

@@Dylannister What ur saying is exactly why I don't think it travels. So many assumptions or hypotheticals u can come up with if it does in fact travel like why it keeps seeming instantaneous even though Pochita gets further and further away. Plus this invisible force that high tier devils like Makima or Darkness use seem to work internally too like their stares and when Makima caused him to haemorrhage profusely just by pointing (it seemed a bit different than Bang)

[@PaoloCavestro-ey9bb]

Every knee in the Multiverse will bow down before Makima Our Goddess, eternally!!!!

[@AsuraSwiper]

The only people that believe Gojo wins this are people who don't understand Makima's contract with the prime minister (like the guy that made this video).

[@AsuraSwiper]

Makima also wasn't fighting Denji at 3:15, that's Pochita

[@dc7981]

He was talking about pochita tho

[@AsuraSwiper]

​@@dc7981 He quite literally says "beating a hybrid Denji and ripping his heart out". That's not Denji, it's Pochita.

[@brenreyes3703]

​​@@AsuraSwiperThe only people who believe makima wins did not do research on jjk (like you)

[@AsuraSwiper]

@@brenreyes3703 you tell me how he kills her without killing himself in the process

[@noahskinner4452]

I need you or another power scaler to PLEASE do a series pitting Hunter Hunter characters vs Jjk characters (notably Toji vs Hisoka Morrow)

[@hbk2221]

I like how JJK fans always act they speak absolute facts when it's hilariously wrong. Yall always underscale Makima, Reading Comprehension Devil much? Hollow Purple actually does NOT have any erasing properties, that was a mistranslation. Secondly, Unlimited Void isn't an attack + she negated an attack similar to UV in Cosmo Devil. Makima scales above a Primal Fear who caused an earthquake across the entire planet Earth, 100M+ Japanese PPL which Gojo cannot get pass + can't use DE more than a few times due to self brain frying. So yeah this is VERY unfair... In favor of Makima. She unironically claps Gojo & his verse.

[@lockinggone7862]

Since when Makima scales above primal devils?

[@hbk2221]

@@lockinggone7862 She stalemated Darkness & even had him leaning at one point. Darkness is the strongest Primal so far due to the fear of the Dark being a more planted phobia in us as children than fear of Falling.

[@lockinggone7862]

@@hbk2221 That doesnt scale her above darkness devil

[@hbk2221]

@@lockinggone7862 Did I say she did? They fought on even grounds. When I said "scales above a Primal" I meant Falling.

[@lockinggone7862]

@@hbk2221 Yes you did. She was only able to barely damage darkness devil once while he left her without a hand and pierced her with a sword.

[@xvoidxhunter2129]

Ik this is random asf, but you and Swag should hop on a call and Discuss Hashirama or Kurama vs Godzilla

[@Hyac1nth]

Gojo is a Japanese citizen, gg ez 😎

[@whatmate3978]

on this point im a bit confused on the whole gojo vs makima battle. Im am a slut when it comes down to characters fighting ripping their own dicks off but i feel like gojo vs makima battle information perceived by all people are very different. one of the main battles im speaking about is "ojo VS Makima (Jujutsu Kaisen VS Chainsaw Man) | DEATH BATTLE!" I should clarify the person i think would win. I feel like makima would take the Double in the battle agasnt gojo If her telekinesis actual does work, this dont soley imply to bang but that one time where she stared someone down from touching her making him bleed from his nose. Before you guys start getting in a hoot and a hanny i have my reasoning. Ill just be copy pasting my view on the other battles what they said copy paste it here. 4 One thing i dont understand here is what if makima obliterated Gojos Brain completely. I haven't fully finished the tv show or even read the comics so idk there's even a moment where that does happen where his brain or head gets destroyed or injured but when a brain does lets say get shot or sustained damage in human biology the brain tends to Shut down full coconsciousness, fully shutting off. In this scenario we have seen makima fully eradicating power in that one scene in the comic meaning she couldve easily shot off gojos entire head. If that did happen would he even be fast enough to restore his brain, and lets say that he could regenerate his brain it shows that he cant do it instantly, and i doubte he can fight well if his brain was generating back so makima would just casually spam bang over and over. That kinda makes me do a complaint on this whole battle because we seen makima "bang" being able to travel and hit the chainsaw devil mid air in miles upon miles in the sky and how the size and damage of the bang is not small being depicted here in this little battle. Right now we see the bang power being instant so gojo wouldnt be able to dodge. Either way i want to conclude that i pretty sure makima can win and defeat gojo if she could obliterates his head off. You might say well all gojo had to do is do domain expansion but its clear that you need to say some cool words and it takes a hot second but in the video it says that makima is faster. So if it was a quick draw between makima blasting gojos head off and gojo using domain expansion wouldn't makima win. This is just my view in what i see maybe im completely wrong but i like to say makima would win for the reason of her bang can break through gojos barrier if that part is real why couldn't she just blast his brain off since she is faster and since her senses are strong enough i doubte she would have a issue aiming. I could really start nerding out here saying the time differnces but imma just say gojo needs to say Domain expansion: Infinite void thats 4 words right there. While makima needs to say bang (idk if she does but maybe thats the way for her to activiate it) So i feel like in a sense who can be the fastest it would be makima saying bang over and over and over. but im done analyzing ill let you guys argue if im right or im a stupid . if anyone even reads any of this or gets this far in reading this. on moments like these we need to combine all our nerdy brains as one to make a final statement because ill be open minded. It be nice if both creators actually had a internal debate with each other saying their side on who would win, whos faster, which one has a higher intelligence in each certain area of thinking, to fluid intelligence, creative intelligent , ect , which one has the bigger dick and other shit, I guess this all solely base on if makima bang can hit gojo, and if it can i dont see why she wouldnt be able easily hit a head. To talk about this video a bit i believe that gojo wouldnt be able to easily casual dodge it, or lets say that neither of them know about either of each others abilities gojo just standing laughing then boom next second his whole body is shot off. I dont want repeat myself to much but thats how i feel, for gojo is still human, while makima is a devil both have the same biology of a human but logically a devil would have the abnormally high abelites being able to make a shot. on a side note i feel like the validity is a bit off too and people are just siding with gojo because of his personality and how cool he is. I mean dont get me wrong here, makima is a pedophile, well in American standards and a kinky bitch, we seen how she put denji on a leash in chainsaw man and a lot of other fuckery. Thats how i feel because everyone wants a good person who fights agasnt evil , then root for a evil person. Not only that but lot of people use confirmation bias, this does go for both sides. in the end great video got my cock all worked up again. tried to ask chatgpt some question but it was giving me bullshit saying Ultimately, the "winner" in such discussions can depend on individual perspectives and interpretations. while it is right i wish it would give a educated guess or win rate of who most likely would win but the little cunt wouldnt give me any shit at all on either side.

[@LunarEntity]

This fight is very boring when done by scalers. It's literally Hax vs. AP, which is lame. This is the kind of fight that needs a good thriller story behind it akin to JoJo Part4 or Part8.

[@libbyiousmaximus7553]

Ive never seen kne of these gojo vs makima videos bring up what happens if makima gets a headshot with "bang" personally i think its a sweep but it could be a sweep in either direction, if you think gojo is fast enough to dodge "bang" to the head (which would stop RCT) then he wins as long as he keeps moving and plays it smart and chips away at her lives, if makima is able to land that once its a one shot kill and she wins, weve seen her get through the darkness devil whos ability is very similar to infinity and wasnt worried in the face of the cosmo devil which leads me to assume shed have some sort of resistance to that kind of attack i.e. unlimited void

[@Alphaj0r]

Long comment about how the video is inacurrate in speed and AP Cursed energy amps speed: Yuta after gaining better control over his cursed energy got an amp on his speed, nearly blitzing Geto, who was previously keeping up with both him and Rika(Jujutsu Kaisen Volume 0 Chapter 4) Megumi states that Toji is = to Sukuna in speed despite not having any cursed energy. Him noting that he is this fast without CE implies that having CE influences ones speed(Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 113) Jogo was stated to be above three finger Sukuna(Jujutsu Kaisen chapter 13), yet got blitzed by 15 finger Sukuna(Chapter 113) Why does this matter?, because hakari's feat its in his pre Jackpot mode, but in chapter 188(pag 10) we see him being unable to dodge one of kashimo's lightning, making that feat an outlier Maki feat:this one is easy to understand, in chapter 197 pag 12 and 13 we see how maki can use the "facets"(difference in air's temperature and density) to her advantage and she even clarifies that only *she* can see this, implying this is purely a precognitive ability. Sukuna's "speed": Yes, the feat is valid but not really that much since we clearly see in chapter 215 sukuna is hard pressed by yuji and maki "But sukuna was nerfed" in the Page 4 sukuna says it only affects his Cursed Energy output and he also says that megumi doesnt have any control over his muscles "Sukuna's FTL brooo" You have to prove those are real electromagnetic waves, remember that Kashimo's whole lightning thing despite having the exact same process as a real lightning, its created by cursed energy and thus, it may not move at that much speed, neither his EM waves would. AP: Yuki stuff aint planetary, she died to it and if kenjaku scaled to it(which he should based on how geto's CT works) he should have oneshotted yuki or tanked the pulling effect of the black hole I agree with the rest, but gojo physicals

[@victorkaranja1420]

It's a bad vid tbh overall lol

[@Alphaj0r]

​@@victorkaranja1420Yeah

[@Alphaj0r]

Ong​@@victorkaranja1420

[@CausticSalsa]

That ending animation was fire.

[@richardnixon2587]

Imo Makima wins but good vid ngl

[@FrancisL4D]

"Stand Shamed makima, You are weak" -Gojo Probably idk.

[@animewolf7921]

You know nothing of CSM right .... I won't spoil you happiness

[@FrancisL4D]

@@animewolf7921 bro its a joke.

[@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN]

Fodder verse sukuna slams ​@@animewolf7921

[@TomasBregman]

Makima is more ambiguous and therefore it's harder to argue that she wins, especially since we don't know all her contracts or how her abilities would work against Gojo. Depending on the contracts given to Makima, she could genuinely win. Give Makima the blood devil and every blood within Gojo's body could turn into a weapon that impales him from the inside out, likely killing him instantly. If given the hell or eternity devil. Makima could simply trap Gojo in either hell to fight the primordial fears or eternity trapping him forever. With the mold devil, she could restrict Gojo's regeneration via mold placed in his heart, intestines, lungs and brain. With the Angel devil there is a possibility it bypasses infinity like the inverted spear of heaven as it possesses special properties, such as hitting intangible objects. There is also always a 1/120 million chance that Gojo dies simply from attacking Makima. As the contract with the Japanese prime minister is projecting any attack made against Makima inti accidents and illnesses among Japanese citizens. Which could have attacks like Hollow purple rendered useless as every time its used, it doesn't actually completely erase people. And if it waa truly existence erasure how could Gojo make it stronger with 200%? Even in the manga it has always been stated to be a "virtual mass" anything more than a highly destructive move is head canon. And unless you see unlimited void's sure hit as simply one attack, then it also wouldn't work against Makima. So simply depending on interpretation Gojo can have 2 win cons to 0 win cons. However Makima also has a few abilities of her own. Makima's telekinetic attacks can cause serve internal bleeding (with a stare she caused a Yakuza member to internally bleed killing them instantly) with a point she was capable of causing extreme severe bleeding and with bang she is able to enforce an instant attack that can send people to space with a couple of shots. All of these abilities would likely work against Gojo as infinity wouldn't be able to perceive it and stop it. Makima also possesses her domination ability. Which is borderline controlling anyone Makima deems inferior to her. Which includes the entire human species. Unless you say Makima has CE she wouldn't see anything special about Gojo and would likely instantly control him. When it comes to stats. Gojo likely has Makima beat here. But Makima isn't necessarily weak. She was capable of seeing the gun devil from 500KM away, react to bullets that were fired at that distance which had instantly covered that 500KM distance. Which should be hypersonic interns of speed. In terms of strength Makima should be relative to the falling devil that was able to manipulate the entire worlds gravity passively which should be continental. EDIT: This battle is HIGHLY subjective as it heavily relies on the interpretation of both characters. Leading to the outcome being based on which character you want to win. Since you'll likely subconsciously or consciously downplay the other character.

[@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-like]

Why you reaching

[@TomasBregman]

@@Mypic-isnot-what-it-looks-like Wdym by that. Makima is a highly ambiguous and relatively unknown character. We don't know her upper limits like we do with Gojo. Which leads to people underestimating Makima's capabilities. Depending on the interpretation of these characters you could make an argument for why either character would win. I'm simply giving ways Makima could win as people seem to forgot or ignore all of her capabilities.

[@bignoob2726]

I thought you would make a proper video, but this was VERY disappointing. Then again I'm sure you have a big percentage of jjk subscribers. Obviously, u have to prioritize keeping the subscribers happy

[@victorkaranja1420]

Also, makima controlling gojo is entirely viable in a fight as not only should gojos "act of birth" not phase her as she is literally just him for her universe but arguably better, but he has a mountain of mental and emotional issues that she can exploit or just use to see herself as avove him, for christ sake, for all hes accomplished, the man perceives himself as a failure, whereas she's more concerned with actual eldrich beings whose thinking is just alien to humans

[@jubbreen]

I wouldn't say better but they are each respective verses equal

[@Dylannister]

Not only what you said, but we literally have a case of someone who has heighten senses but no curse energy within JJK who didn't think Gojo was a big deal at first, being Toji. And was only fazed by him when Gojo noticed he was following him, which was the first and only time that has ever happened to Toji. So even canonically within JJK, if you don't have curse energy you're not perceiving Gojo as a big deal off rip. Not to mention it's in character for Makima to perceive people first and foremost by their scent of whatever species they are. So Makima would just perceive Gojo as a human since she can't smell energy, and Makima views all humans as potential pets to her.

[@itapproaches3484]

​@@Dylannister Toji literally hated and beefed with Gojo the first time he saw him, the only reason Toji didn't care that much after the fact was bc he was changed by his wife, he was actually happy in those moments. Gojo had a massive hit on his head, of Toji didn't have a Mrs. Fushiguro in his life then he'd kill Gojo.

[@Dylannister]

@@itapproaches3484 reread the manga my guy. Toji's first meeting with Gojo happened way before Hidden Inventory Arc.

[@itapproaches3484]

@@Dylannister yes, that's what I'm talking about

[@amdelta4964]

Six would you consider doing a video going over jjk characters that can solo all 4 disaster curses at the same time? (Obviously excluding Gojo and sukuna)

[@animewolf7921]

Those are just the stuff we know about makima just for now. We never knew how far makima could go with her powers. Control devil isnt dead so every new power nayuta brings up ... gets added to makimas arsenal. Makima has got the brain that gojo doesnt have .... Hes still a 13 old egoistic kid in man's body

[@ri_c_e]

Nah makima definitely has seriously strong abilities and im sure we have some we didn't see. But why not afford Gojo said charatability. Especially his insane growth he's always getting new things with abilities. an egotist? yeah but a 13 year old? no. We get to see his thought process all the time. His view on how the kids he trains should be treated, the anger at the assassination of Yuji, the way the higher ups treats Yuta and how he said he'd fight back. His conversations with geto. Mind you why wouldn't he be snarky? hes so much stronger than anyone else in his verse that they needed to revive a dead demon god and even then that demon god had to evolve to get past his abilities Lol. hopin for a reply

[@animewolf7921]

@@ri_c_e bruh everything you just said is how a normal person behaves .... That doesn't make him smarter. And when it comes to intelligence....Megumi is smarter than him. But anyways, the way he behaves ... becuz he thinks he's better than everyone has cost him several time ...with toji and sukuna ...even when kenjaku sealed him. And were talking about makima whose literal defination of control ... She even has control over the others even after her death (latest chapter). We were never told gojo has a stronger brain or willpower because he's the honoured, he's brain is just as same as a normal human and makima can control every human being. But let's just say makima can't control his mind, and gojo is being gojo ....carefree all the time ...makima can kill gojo the instant gojo looks her way. Remember ep 11..... Makima killed the yakuza just by looking at their eyes ... No sacrifice needed (sure the infinity can't defend it ). And about that 13 year old thing, I didn't really mean it, it just that these youtuber get on my nerves with half ass info. But, the respect the way you reacted and agreed with my point 😅. Pretty long comment.

[@ri_c_e]

@@animewolf7921 yes its how a normal person behaves, so how is he a 12 year old lmfao. Megumi is smart, thats how whole thing, no disagreement there. Yea dude, hes so powerful a world renowed assassin, clan slayer and SORCEROR KILLER had to PLAN against a teenage version of him. Kenjaku a 1000 year old mage body hoping and colleting power and techniques had to SEAL HIM AWAY and when he got out started sweating. You seem to think i think Makima is weaker and i never said that nor do i care. i simply asked why you only considered her evolution and not his. Gojo inherently has a stronger brain because of the six eyes, so yeah? and he is smart too especially with his intricate knowledge on curses and cursed energy. Did she kill them by looking at her? it just cutaway from the sceen afterwards. If shes able to kill anybody in the series like that why hasn't she used it more. Those were also normal people and Gojos simply not normal. Try to keep the comment concise because i probably missed something you said and so its faster for both of us, and stop using elipses so much they make people sound weird.

[@animewolf7921]

@@ri_c_e remember how quanxi and her friends died when makima looked at them.... Need anymore proof ?? And a renowned killer almost killed him because he was careless ... Kenjaku...a 1000 year old sorcerer wsa able outwit him because he was smater. And as for six eyes, it was never said his literal brain was stronger than others ...it just that his six eyes allows him to use RCT constantly.....

[@ri_c_e]

​@@animewolf7921 Makimas whole ability is control. Quanxi and them gave themself up to her. Again you didn't answer my question why doesn't makima use this eye ability always. I just told you Toji and Kenjaku had to plan for long periods of time, toji a grown man against a little boy gojo and kenjaku for 100s of years against six eye users, Even if they were smarter than gojo they were not stronger. Six Eyes helps his brain process cursed energy, the soul and everything around him, perception is apart of sensory and sensory comes from the brain. is english not your native language because you aren't really understanding what i'm saying. Six Eyes is so powerful on the brain that you need rct to constantly fix it.

[@__lifeline__]

I think the reason why people argue that Yuki's black hole ability isn't a good metric for scaling other characters is because it's only used once, and depending on the source of the claims that "Gojo is the strongest" and thus stronger than Yuki, this feat (or rather the possibility of this feat) might not have been considered. If the source is an omniscient narrator, and the definition of "strongest" is in fact who can deal the most damage to a neutral object (say a city or a random special grade curse) then yes, it is a good metric. However, this statement comes from other sorcerers, with the narration specifying that Gojo is the "strongest sorcerer *of the modern era*." As such these statements are biased towards the experiences of these sorcerers, which would diminish Yuki's feats since she is largely a mysterious figure to lots of people in Jujutsu Society. Even Kenjaku and the higher ups didn't have much information about her. Additionally, the definition of "strongest" could ultimately mean a variety of things. It could mean that Gojo can output the most damage to a given object, or it could mean that in a free for all against every other sorcerer Gojo would win (which seems more likely considering that Kashimo is also labeled as one of the strongest and at least imo he's not dishing out the same destruction as Sukuna, Gojo, or Yuki). To be clear, I just want to clarify why comparing Gojo to Yuki's black hole feat might not be the best metric.

[@stevefelix4997]

I mean even the narrator says that Gojo is the strongest sorcerer of the modern era.

[@Seven_DB]

The thing is that the narrator says Gojo is the strongest of the modern era and the statement is made post Yuki vs Kenjaku as if to reaffirm it. Modern era just means any sorcerer who was born in, well the modern era which includes Yuki

[@Thatonepan-Fluid]

This fight is actually fairly contentious in my opinion I personally agree with the Notion Of Gojo Defeating Makima but to be entirely honest you downplayed Makima here Makima Has traded Blows with the Darkness Devil and Boxxed the Chainsaw man into fuckin outer space Both the Darkness Devil and Chainsaw Man scale over and are directly stated superior to The Gun devil who can absolutely Decimate City's from literally across the planet so scaling Makima to The Town level tier and stating there's a massive Gap between the two in stats seems unfair And I know you don't Scale Gojo to planetary or light speed off of the Yuki and Kashimo shit that's honestly disingenuous and you've discreted these feats on streams before Makima has Massively Hypersonic+ To nearly lightning timing Combat speeds and even faster Reaction and attacking speeds that can launch people to space in seconds and seem nearly instantaneous You also held off Makimas Wider Arsenal and didn't give HOW CRAZY her Hax really are enough justice although I do agree Gojo is superior with the limitless and Six Eyes Amazing video as always homie I js feel you could've done Makima more justice

[@keys5595]

Did she actually box him into space? I thought she just shot him and used bang into space? lol.

[@Thatonepan-Fluid]

@keys5595 nah she did shoot him into space it wasn't with straight hands. He scaled Makimas physical strength pretty damn well and in hand 2 hand she's getting Boxxed Up by Mr Honored one for sure 💀. I was just saying she dished out an attack that was powerful enough to knock Chainsaw Man's ass into space,and since CSM scales over the Gun Devil who can decimate city's from Dozens of Miles away at the least its unfair to place Makima at Town level

[@keys5595]

@@Thatonepan-Fluid ahh okay I figured you were joking/just using it as a metaphor and didn’t literally mean she did that 🤣

[@bamby7766]

Honestly just wait until all of Chainsaw Man get animated at this point. They are always going to nerf Makima's manga feats because her best isn't shown. You have people who haven't even touched the CSM manga misunderstanding her abilities and how she died to argue for Gojo.

[@animewolf7921]

​@bamby7766 I totally agree .... Most of the people don't even understand makimas power and downplay her abilities. For instance, in episode 11 we saw makima making eye contact with some yauza dude and they simply died .... She didn't even need to squeeze them. If makima uses this ability then gojo would be dead in seconds as brain activates reverse curse technique. It's a shame every youtuber simps for gojo

[@CJExtreme98]

An animation at the end?!? Six what have y’all been cook’n???? 😮

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

1:12 There's a small city calc from the gun devil that she would at least scale to a fifth of for negging the shit outta 20% of the gun devil. This would already scale her at large town or just likely also at small city for being that superior, along with considering this portion of the gun devil should be considerably stronger than an equivalent percentage from twelve years ago. This is because of the world learning what caused the deaths of over a million people, that being the gun devil which would amp it via fear from that attack and other nations using guns to make it even stronger. The gun devil is considered fodder to primal fear tier and above characters (another reason for her AP vastly upscaling from the gun) and since she's shown to hurt Pochita, who being disingenuous, should at least scale to them for being 'The devil that devils fear most' amongst other things. In conclusion, Makima's AP is at bare minimum large town and on the higher end far above city to an unknown extent.

[@vwolf4615]

I love this channel.