Goku VS Superman Was Never Close

[@danielendless]

"Let's look at the WORST Robin, Tim Drake" Aight bro, those strays didn't need to happen😭

[@omnipresentl1316]

He is the most forgettable of the Robins besides that girl one who existed for like one comic then died.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

DEATH BATTLE DEBUNKING. LOL 😂

[@porobotboyxxx]

Tim Drake trained Bart Allen in combat *(The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive (2006-2007) Vol 1 13)* and he even tagged Bart when he tried to push him into the water; making him one of the few Batfamily members to actually tag Speed Force users *(Young Justice (1998) Vol 1 Issue 11).*

[@azuresaiyan9005]

@@omnipresentl1316 "Forgettable" because they never use him.

[@Papa_Burton]

Tim is the best Robin, bro is crazy.

[@ChristmasBoy897]

the first 5 seconds had me thinking my wifi was being garbage

[@HelenaSan425]

Superman: Stand proud son goku, you're strong! Goku: What is this... 😭

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

Goku can kill Superman with ease, kid.

[@EternalExplorerX]

​@@RobinTheMetaGod no he can't

[@spawn229]

​@@RobinTheMetaGod superman wins no diff cry about it

[@jxlennn]

@@RobinTheMetaGodwatch the video lol you’re in denial

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

@@jxlennn There is no such thing as denial. Such a term is too American to be valid.

[@Generalmituna8079]

I’m so glad that we live in the year where people can finally acknowledge that not a single version of Goku can beat Superman.

[@JadoBouhzam]

Jump force goku says hello lol

[@doriankamanzi6874]

Milkman Superman says otherwise jump force Goku is only as powerful as showing anime milkman just surpasses everything​@@JadoBouhzam

[@luh_marc3202]

Exactly cause diehard delusional goku fans would downplay him😂😂😂

[@JadoBouhzam]

@@doriankamanzi6874 does milk man affect the real world well goku faced someome who was gonna merge all of anime and shonen anime that includes heroes ofcourse with the real worle and goku scales to him this is some fictional transcendence type shit also god fusion goku also says helloo

[@Corazon444-]

⁠@@JadoBouhzamreal world scales nowhere, Even if it did Superman already fought the KKK in real life lol

[@l0sts0ul89]

Bad or Not Goku Vs Superman 3 was legendary imo

[@AbyssalSerpent]

@@l0sts0ul89 legendary fanmade trash

[@itapproaches3484]

10:50 correction, moving in a place where time doesn't exist is inaccessible, however, here Superman is moving above space, time and dimensionality as concepts, where a being with inaccessible speed still needs to travel a finite or infinite distance in 0 time, Superman doesn't, the concepts of time and distance are absolutely irrelevant to him meaning this is irrelevant speed, so Superman is much, much more impressive than one would realize

[@Elementaldude954]

Goku never stood a chance against main canon Superman

[@siei3i37]

He always did

[@asdasd-dm1hd]

@@siei3i37nah its not even clouse goku is done for

[@siei3i37]

@@asdasd-dm1hd It's very close Learn how to spell first lol

[@wxkrz1]

@@asdasd-dm1hdGoku solos

[@NoahT-c3r]

@@wxkrz1 Pfp explains it not even debating without you pulling up some B-But G-Gokus B-B-Boundless🤓🤓Type arguments my guy

[@ishan61]

Obviously, Sups wins. He is Faster, Stronger and Smarter

[@Namefounded]

hes ibetter HES IS BETTER !!!

[@omarewais]

I feel like this scaling is retarded especially the Tim drake part like how does that relate to Superman or goku. But it doesn’t matter cuz the Superman we know and love which is in his most recent animated shows and non animated movies or shows is hella weak compared to any of this

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@omarewaisthat was skill scaling

[@nerdtom4513]

But I like Goku better🗿

[@Jake_the_lad]

Goku is soo much faster and his strength is comparable. He's also a much better fighter

[@MultiMario2306]

8:32 “Complains at the fact that Death Battle doesn't go into how strong the world forger feat was.” Popup: “Mxyzptlk (5th Dimensional) can destroy infinite timelines, all numbered dimensions, the Bleed, the Sphere of the Gods, and the 5th Dimension. The World Forger (6th Dimensional) is Mxyzptlk's superior and forged Hypertime. Dragon Ball Heroes' infinite timelines and the Crack of Time don't meet this scope” From the actual episode, as noted during the post-analysis

[@edwinsolis5710]

It’s supposed to be Capsule Corp Goku, not Xeno Goku. They said this in the beginning.

[@eduardopantoja9115]

To be fair they should have used Xeno Goku to fight Infinite Frontier Superman for some degree of a fair fight

[@christianreid5711]

Yeah, but ​CC Goku has beaten Xeno Goku in a close fight, so at worst they are equals 🤷​@@eduardopantoja9115

[@Gamer-wo1st]

​@@eduardopantoja9115 Xeno Goku completely destroys that Superman

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

@@eduardopantoja9115 It's hilarious that You think that would be a fair fight in the slightest. Even new 52 Superman or rebirth Superman would stomp Xeno Goku into the dirt. Infinite frontier Superman is beyond overkill.

[@jadenissogreat9879]

@@HelperKaiGlennsame Xeno goku who can’t transform past base or his timeline would be destroyed from his aura alone? Same xeno who surpassed time itself in his BASE form? Same xeno goku who is shitting on demigra who also surpassed time in again his BASE form? Please do research before spouting your wrong beliefs

[@supreme_doge_yt7509]

The question is can he beat batman with prep time

[@yarc9]

Yes

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

Batman has said if Superman was bloodlusted and really wanted to kill him. He'd be dead. Batman admitted that in the comics.

[@Papa_Burton]

Hell no, this is the same dude who boxed Darkseid and won🤣

[@Chillersnowman]

No Batman is irrelevant layers above boundless.

[@nathanfrench6268]

@@HelperKaiGlennyes therefore he beats Supes due to him being a good guy and holding back while Batman is not. Carry on.

[@andrewsemerel5946]

Tbf scaling manga is more annoying, u gotta watch out tor things like mistranslation

[@faith4657]

Comics also has that problem of misinterpreting as well

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@faith4657that’s with every media but manga has the additional annoyance of people using mistranslations just to support a specific narrative they have

[@faith4657]

@kawakiuzumaki5934 true but at least manga is consistent with the powers, and somethings can justify why they are so strong. Up tell now I don't know why a mortal alien can tango with gods and comics, and people just give me "it's cause his meant to win, or his holding back" crap.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

​@@faith4657but Goku and Superman are both Mortal aliens and have both tangled with and beaten Universe destroying Gods and Monsters.

[@bruurb786]

Yeah but comics has stuff like darkseid getting robbed by like a few guys with clubs and then a second later him destroying the fabric of space and time. Then he obv gets beaten by batman with 0 prep time cuz fuck it why not

[@thehonoredone2361]

Doesn't matter who "Wins" this debate will go on till the end of time. Especially if dbz or Superman still continues.

[@andymk8951]

Dbz ended a long time ago. DBS is something different. I know nobody outside the fandome cares but there is a huge difference

[@billybob4532]

​@@andymk8951Yeah, because DBZ is one of the greatest stories out there, and DBS is dogwater, and ass cheeks

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

Goku can kill Superman with ease, kid.

[@vn9574]

@@RobinTheMetaGod keep coping

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

@@vn9574 There is no such thing as cope you alt right manchild.

[@kanewilson8624]

Well even Death Battle admitted that Goku could potentially beat ANY Superman, except the main one

[@I4dtx]

They only said that so goku fanboys won't go crazy... So no... goku CAN'T beat ANY superman , cosmology make it worse for my boy goku here...

[@Felipe90s]

@@I4dtx the did not say "any" they say "most" with s fair superman has so many versions in outwolrd comic, animated series and movies some of then go as low as sity lvl (like the one from the animated series who block lases with rocks to not get hurt) but guys not just the main one there is several versions of superman tha can beat composed goku

[@siei3i37]

@Copeharderretard No they didn't

[@Dontdoit-mm1bw]

He can beat some versions. Not much and most versions of superman would one tap him

[@siei3i37]

@Dontdoit-mm1bw No, they wouldn't

[@noluthandomzolo6129]

Kazi been real quiet 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@masonmcfadden4886]

Sorry but superman solos almost every anime verse in all seriousness lol

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

No he doesn't

[@masonmcfadden4886]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7r I said most not all

[@animeboy200p2]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7r he does

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7rhe does, most anime don’t get as crazy with with their cosmology like dc or marvel for that matter. This is just a comics thing in general

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

@@kawakiuzumaki5934 yeah I guess your right I just don't want the anime fans to come and attack me

[@CompStellar_]

This is genuinely unfair, I can see the amount of coping from 7 year old dbs powerscalers that already proves our point of how bad goku scaling actually is. Being scaled by literally 7 year olds who can’t tell what dc actually is and probably can’t comprehend it. Superman casually destroyed dimensions that expands infinitely with a single punch.

[@coltermasson8124]

Dc is gay 😂

[@Nothingtoseriousfr]

​@coltermasson8124 you're proving his point.

[@CarlosVasquez-fn1sy]

Superman slams goku dbz fans can cope

[@denisn8336]

No

[@lclark6091]

@@denisn8336 you heard the man now cope .

[@denisn8336]

@@lclark6091 stop the supe glaze

[@Meepie_Playz]

@@denisn8336 Superman solos cope dragon ball meatrider

[@denisn8336]

@@Meepie_Playz super man gets outboxed by a vegetable. Hold that super slopper.

[@WaveForceful]

I’d argue Timothy drakes feat is better. Hits time leap was only 0.5 seconds faster, but Timothy was dealing with a whole 5 seconds, an eternity in a fight.

[@thequestbro]

Clark lifts eternity, bro. ETERNITY. There is no shot Goku can beat him. Goku can NOT nor will he EVER beat Superman. Superman has him beat on speed, deadlifts, and technique. The only character in all of anime that even has a SHOT of beating Superman is Sailor Moon or Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann.

[@redhood2574]

Goku is 7d: Superman is infinite D at this point it doesn’t really matter

[@Shorts-wb4hq]

And yet. The writer will somehow find a way to make Superman barely lift a car to defeat darkseid for the millionth time

[@Keith_Norman]

Also last time I'm going to mention this but xeno Goku powering up destroying the timelines wasn't actually correct you see they were on a station that was in control of the timelines and if he destroyed that then the timelines would be destroyed so no. Also we have to understand that death battle is progressively upgrading their ways of calculating things so sometimes death pedals in the past aren't going to be up to snuff with how they are now it's called being human

[@Bat-Gos]

1:00 I would like to address that specific complaint. For scaling, there are blackboxes on the side where they scale Goku to 5D an Superman to higher dimensional levels of power (higher than Goku). A lot of their juicy scaling and fight breakdowns can be found in second hand material such as their blogs, as opposed to the episode itself.

[@jasondobbins9735]

Thank you why does no one seem to get that?!!

[@cosmic_martin6584]

yeah, Ultraguy (researcher for Death Battle) did SEVERAL blogs on Goku vs Superman He even researched Legends and Dokkan Battle for Goku, no one does that His blog is very complete, it includes pretty much all DBZ media where Goku is in, and pretty much every single official comic that has Superman in it, the blogs even include separate sections for the calcs of each character, Ultraguy put his heart and soul into that blog

[@Bat-Gos]

@@cosmic_martin6584 Yes, he consumed every piece of media for both of the characters. I really hate how "debunkers" refuse to acknowledge that hard work.

[@cosmic_martin6584]

@@Bat-Gos i hate those guys "Yeah Death Battle doesn't researc-" READ FFS, READ

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

Guess most people only know of the episodes. :shrug:

[@zaynpro2809]

As a dragon ball fan, ik that superman is stronger than goku but both of them are legends💪

[@TheChadChamp]

Wish True would upload more, especially now he sounds even more natural on the mic.

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

Tbf to Death Battle, they actually did put Superman at Outerversal, but they did so in one of the black boxes, they also mentioned OHKO-ing the World Forger and tanking Source Wall explosions for what it's worth.

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

Tanking source wall explosions is enough to put Superman above comp Dragonball very easily.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@HelperKaiGlenndb fans will never understand nor accept that

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

​@@kawakiuzumaki5934I'm a massive DB fan and have been since I was like 6, I even learnt how to draw by copying pictures of Goku from the computer in school. But Xeno Goku or CC Goku at best scale to Hyperversal to Low Outerversal at the very best while just using base Pre Crisis Superman alone gives him Outerversal to High Outerversal feats and scaling. I may be a fan but I'm also a much bigger fan of D.C. and not dense or ignorant. Rebirth Superman hard violates the Composite DB verses no effort, only fanfiction even comes close to ranking in the top 1,000 characters of D.C. Composite Superman is High Transfinite Outerversal. Milk-Man Man is Trans High Infinite Outerversal. Story Of Superman is Extraversal.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I congratulate you for understanding base main universe superman slams comp db

[@Reesemike]

Love me some Superman vs Goku I always like to see a battle end in one punch because that’s all Superman would need

[@youngfish1370]

He’d break his hand trying to punch Goku then get 1 tapped

[@Reesemike]

@@youngfish1370 mhmm

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

Goku can kill Superman with ease, kid.

[@alpha4935]

​@@RobinTheMetaGodNot without some green space rock

[@Chillersnowman]

​@@youngfish1370DC cosmology is high outerverse which Supes threatened multiple times, dont ask me, read the dam source material.😂😂😂

[@ZackSNetwork]

People will never understand how to properly power scale. Cosmology scaling is needed for characters that reach Universal or higher in power. Because character’s from a stronger cosmology that are Universal scales much higher than a character from a weaker cosmology that is Multiversal.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Yeah like Goku is capable of destroying Millions of Finite Universes which is indeed very powerful but then you get to something like Lovecraft where each Universe is stated to be completely Infinite and extends beyond Space and Time and Physicality, even the Dreamlands which exist beyond Concepts, Imagination, Distance and Dimensions still reside inside the Universe and something like a single Nightgaunt can threaten the entire Universe which would make them High Outerversal bare minimum.

[@ndvct6087]

That's probably because most scaling is pure fanfiction and probably shouldn't be done at all. Cosmology is mostly pointless speculation.

[@theyounggodlobo]

​@CerealExperimentsMizuki uh no universe 7 has an incalculable number of infinite universe size realms within it

[@MelloCello7]

What I have a problem with is dimensional power scaling. Talking about 4D 5D 7D, when they dont even know what dimensions is. Its an idiot measurement system.

[@FreshFalcon]

I feel like Goku and Supes would be good friends. Both are powerful in their own ways and just seem like they might get along.

[@wtfesyo2831]

If they ever team up nobody stopping them

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

Goku can kill Superman with ease, kid.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@wtfesyo2831superman carries tho (not to be that one guy)

[@petroshalkos3453]

Superman: I BEAT GOKU Godzilla: laughing in the background*

[@lclark6091]

The writer of that comic made it clear the story was not canon to the main timeline.

[@Joe-uk4vu]

@@lclark6091Yeah but he did say that version of Superman was on par with Prime Superman. But then again, Author statements are complete and utter trash, which doesn't make sense at all lmao.

[@mel-el5862]

Godzilla laughs, aquaman laughs: after trapping godzilla underwater 😊

[@ElderBaguette]

@@Joe-uk4vuThe power of comics, literally any character with a comic version is gonna be overly powerful compared to their main counterparts, probably why Godzilla got so damn powerful.

[@enumaelish9193]

​@@mel-el5862 So he trapped an amphibian under water?

[@James73059]

Power levels are bullshit for a long time in DB, fuck... Goku isn't even the strongest non fused character. Maybe if we were talking about Vegito, but they fucked it up with 1 hour limit, while prior to DBS, it was supposed to last forever, only to be separated by magic(with the shiled down). And then in DBZ, trading blows with god of destruction can shattered multiverse or some shit, and later on with super saiyan stacking, it never shattered shit.

[@TojiBackWithTheMilk]

11:00 I think you mean irrelevant speed, inaccessible is still bound by the concept of speed and is actually slower than immeasurable speed

[@randomreactionstv2721]

Tim drake is my favorite robin.

[@crichton397]

You guys make me genuinely not want to read comic books or manga.

[@l0sts0ul89]

Why? It's a scaling video, this isn't about thier stories or characters.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Who guys??

[@Espurr.8]

It most likely because people can't agree on who strong people say one character is way weaker then the other one

[@MelloCello7]

The mock death battle and do an even worse job at accuracy lmaoo

[@godspeedninja4286]

We going all the way back to December with this one. I’ve been waiting for you to react to another DB!

[@redhood2574]

There are some items that Goku could use against Superman, like the awaken key sword or the universal tree but Superman constructed the miracle machine that has the power to rewrite the entire dc cosmology

[@Joe-uk4vu]

We use Sword of Superman then.

[@redhood2574]

Or the phantom zone projector

[@Hellblazer-ds1bn]

Or tourqasm vo

[@redhood2574]

@@Hellblazer-ds1bn that’s a martial art not an item

[@Hellblazer-ds1bn]

@@redhood2574 ik but i just wanna be a nerd

[@Baloo-tw4wc]

Drip sause will get a panic attack from watching this video

[@drip_sauce7967]

Ill actually just get payed to debunk it , I couldn’t care less

[@Baloo-tw4wc]

@@drip_sauce7967 so you just do it for the money, even though you know what you're saying is false. Deep inside you know Superman annihilates Goku

[@redhood2574]

@@drip_sauce7967 death battle. Lumos theromax. Sir splash > you and divine

[@Pettam713]

@@drip_sauce7967 I'm hoping you debunk this, since this video doesnt explain anything other than glossing over shit

[@hardcoore_gyt9254]

@@Baloo-tw4wcnigga did you expect him to do it for free? Like are you sped?

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

Tylearnd thank u for bringing a good dc powerscaler and not drip sauce

[@lukejones7164]

Canon Superman = Mid to High Outerversal Xeno Goku = Hyperversal to Very Low Outerversal Canon Goku = High Multiversal Superman Stomps 😂

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Cannon Goku is actually Low Multiversal as he's far below Zeno who's not above Time and Goku also can only destroy a finite number of Universes.

[@Lazywzy]

Goku is outerversal

[@gamingwithtamzid4732]

Xeno goku is beyond tiering☠️ Canon goku is complex multiversal

[@WaveForceful]

Canon Goku is more low multiversal.

[@عبداللهالعشاوي-ط2ر]

​@@Lazywzywhat is your proof

[@chuxkp7512]

Here for the Robin feat 🙋🏾‍♂️ ..also “Robin # the worst” has me in tears 😭

[@Gem-xc6rv]

Weren't they using CC Goku tho? But anyway, great debunk.

[@abdeljalalrachdimali350]

Cc goku > xeno goku

[@Edolph_6m]

Darkseid is a being that resudes out if the multiverse and he exists in every universe via taking weaker forms of himself and scattering them in every universe. So the darkseid that superman fights is usually a lesser version of darkseid(I'm not saying goku is stronger than sups or anything,just wanted to point that out)

[@KingGlo300]

Superman has also fought him on Apokolips multiple times it doesn’t really matter

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

Superman has went to his homeworld and still beat his ass, apples and oranges

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

​@@KingGlo300yes he has, using Boom Tubes.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

​@@kawakiuzumaki5934using Boom Tubes.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki no superman can straight up fly to the sphere of the gods and to the source wall without a boom tube lmfao

[@nuclearwaste2062]

Debunking deathbattle is a pretty easy feat to do. On either side of this debate deathbattle is one of the worst scalers in the community. 😂 That being said i would be a hypocrite if i didnt debunk your own misinformation. Scale the characters however you want them, i legit believe your scaling is 1,000 x better than deathbattle's. And i actually like it. Dont necessarily agree with it, but its generally fair. _____ Misinformation: True form darkseid final crisis vs superman: Did superman beat true form darkseid? Yes, but did he have a lot of help? Yes. During that fight darkseid was beaten by Orion and nearly died. Batman then preceeds to kill darkseid again. Then the flash and death racer beat darkseid again. And after all of that superman still had to create 2 miracle machines, which is basically DC's infinity gauntlet to beat true form darkseid. So superman does not scale to true form darkseid, not in that fight. World forger: Again you leave out context. Its been stated multiple times that world forger is weaker when he is on the 3D planes. World forger already beat superman while weakened. So he already cant scale to him. The only way superman was able to get a hit off of a weakened world forger was when he wasnt fighting and caught off guard. Superman also had to have batman's help to fly through a galaxy's worth of suns just to get off a cheap shot. And you may be asking he was still able to damage a 6D being and destroy a multiverse wasnt he? Well no actually. The world forger describes his power as being able to create a universe with each strike of his hammer while in his weakened state. And as for his mutliverse he created? It was incomplete and collasped before it was finished. And we dont know how complete it was, but the author sure does. And the author said only a planet has been completed at the time. 🤷‍♂️ take that as you will. _____ As for skill this is an ambiguous stat. But i dont really care where you have superman in comparison to goku. You want to claim tim drake robin is more skilled than goku, than go for it.😂 But to scale superman in skill to wonderwoman is simply wrong. Its as wrong as scaling superman in speed to flash, or in intelligence to batman. Wonderwoman in virtually every instance and mutliverse has always been protrayed as more skillful than superman. Its not up for debate. She and batman and virtually every justice league member has stated that wonderwoman has more skill than superman. So does batman for that matter. In a fair fight of equal stats batman beats superman hands down and so does Wonderwoman on skill alone. And thats backed by decades of comics.

[@dechis007]

"But to scale Superman in skill to Wonder Woman is simply wrong. It as wrong as scaling Superman in speed to Flash, or in intelligence to Batman. Not really. You are very underestimating Superman's intelligence, he IS smarter than Batman in many ways. The technology on Fortress of Solitude is far beyond anything created by Batman's, Superman has proven himself smarter than Lex Luthor (who is on pair with Batman in intelligence and possibly superior), thanks to his powers the cognitive abilities and brain power of Superman are naturally higher than Batman's.

[@nuclearwaste2062]

@@dechis007 superman may have higher brain functions, but that does not mean he's smarter than batman or lex. In modern comics he's not portrayed that way. Intelligence can be defined in many different ways. But in terms of pattern recognition and solving crimes as well as making and creating technology batman and lex have always been smarter. Superman may be able to store more information and remember more information clearly, like a computer, but batman and lex are more creative and intuitive, if that makes sense. He's called the greatest detective for a reason.

[@dechis007]

@@nuclearwaste2062 Superman is still comparable if not superior to Batman in creating technology. If you don't know, Superman has invented and built many crazy shit on the Fortress of Solitude and even the ones that he doesn't created he could replicate because he carries on himself all the scientific knowledge left by Krypton. So no, you can't say that Batman or Lex are actually more creative than Superman because the latter has his own feats to keep up and even surpass they.

[@nuclearwaste2062]

@@dechis007 most writers don't portray superman that way. And he certainly doesn't share such tech with humanity and when it comes to funding, hacking, and support tech that he uses, it comes from batman and others like steel. Only in elseworld stories does he solely rely on himself to solve his own issues. And in these worlds the justice league usually isn't formed or doesn't exist.

[@dechis007]

@@nuclearwaste2062 I don't mean what you say with "most writters" since the Fortress of Solitude and a lot of shit Superman built there are canon to his status quo and mainstream and Batman also doesn't share his tech with humanity. No, Superman has his own technology on the Fortress of Solitude and almost never use any shit created by Batman on his adventures. Batman only does does the "nerd" role on JLA because it's literally the only thing he can do, but this doesn't necessarily make other geniuses from the team dumber. And Superman is not only a genius on elseworlds. Inventions like the Superman Robots, Anti-Kryptonite Suit, The Fortress Key and The Fortress of Solitude itself were created by him and are obviously canon in most Superman media.

[@ironspider2867]

In the beginning they very clearly state that the goku they use is cc goku not xeno (i understand they somewhat scale to eachother but thought it was important to mention) also them using goku fighting future wasn't an ap feqt it was a feat for imeasurable speed

[@brettdavis3012]

They actually don't, check again and they simply bring up that CC has a similar history to main continuity They even list xeno Goku forms in the run down

[@ironspider2867]

@@brettdavis3012 they bring up that he's specifically cc goku and give him cc feats and by extentsion xeno feats cuz in a corner box they mention cc goku once beat xeno goku (putting shit in the corner is common mistake even db fans agree is kind of annoying) also don't know why they included ssj4 in the transformation list pretty sure that was just an error

[@brettdavis3012]

@@ironspider2867 it was a grammar thing on there part and trying to not make the video like 2+ hours lol, on there podcast they talk about how it's composite Goku (except for the jump force game)

[@uzookafor8721]

I agree with the victor some how. I want to make something clear in terms of skill goku is above super man period.goku did not struggle with predicting hits time skip,if any thing what Goku did was more impressive than that of tim drake did,goku was not even sure how hit attacks work at the time. So thats all folks. No offense bro, don't compare fighting skill of super man to that of gokus, the skill gap increases when you factor ultra instinct which is arguably the pinnacle of martial arts.because you can react and adapt to your opponents fighting styles and combos

[@Mikaact4]

Gon vs aang

[@Thepatheticone718]

Gon gets one shot💀💀

[@joegun4259]

Gon is now Gone

[@Thepatheticone718]

@@joegun4259 Facts

[@Dronk.D.Scales]

Gon one taps that glass canon

[@Dronk.D.Scales]

@@Thepatheticone718lmao cap Low building level AP and attacks are enough to one tap Aang due to his trash durability and speed

[@jahmoymignott4081]

Superman is Broken he shouldn't even be that strong bro out here fighting gods but next minute getting his ass handed to him by plane owl normal Humans

[@linkeastwood3283]

Death Battle still needs to gear itself towards a casual audience so they won't go into great detail about concepts like outerversal to confuse them. Also they did not use Xeno goku but capsule corpe goku.

[@ndvct6087]

Outerversal is a fan concept created and defined by fans aka it's literally fanfiction with no legitimate credibility. So it's actually more accurate that they didn't use it.

[@NekosAnime]

And bro didn't even included c.a.s and prime 100 million Superman 🤣 SUPERMAN COOKS ANIME VERSES

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

Super man is high outerversal he stomps some op anime verse but he can't solo anime there has got to be a some anime character that no diff super man

[@NekosAnime]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7r if you're about canon then theirs featherine and hajun who can fight toe to toe with him and maybe defeat him (anos and rimuru are also close in their ln but not quite) and akuto Sai got debunked so it's understandable

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

@@NekosAnime the debunk on akuto sai are just people downplay him

[@NekosAnime]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7r even after undebunk he's weaker then ln rimuru featherine and hajun and barely comparable to anos

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

@@NekosAnime I don't think he is weaker than anos

[@African-AmericanGoose]

Goku vs superman , one of the only accurate death battle outcome 😂

[@siei3i37]

It was inaccurate like always

[@n1ice140]

pretty good scaling and breakdown of both sides and the death battle, tho i would say you meant that superman speed is actually irrelevant, i woud love if goku becomes stronger to rival him in the future.

[@Keith_Norman]

And while Darth Vader vs Obito was God awfully wrong Goku versus Superman they had the right outcome

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

Hulk vs Broly: 👁️👄👁️

[@Keith_Norman]

@@HelperKaiGlenn that too

[@Mrmanboi-m1d]

This was always a close matchup

[@asdasd-dm1hd]

no

[@CompStellar_]

Not even close

[@lclark6091]

Dont know if you take request's but please do Godzilla vs Superman cause these Monsterverse fans are brain dead.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Post Crisis Superman beats Monsterverse low difficulty.

[@lclark6091]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki fax

[@astro-ko3cu]

13:58 he learned a couple of martial arts from batman and different fighting styles from wonder woman as well as ancient Kryptonian fighting styles

[@MLamar0612]

And not to mentioned he literally fought on War World for 1000 years (iirc)

[@siei3i37]

You're right it was never close it's actually very close

[@Tylearned]

The video is called never close moron

[@redhood2574]

@@siei3i37 how is this battle close

[@saiyajin6969]

I mean, DC cosmology is just so wacky to the point that their terms feel like someone made these feats for Superman and all like they were under the influence of LSD. Every day, we see a new variant of Superman. I also accepted the fact that Goku cannot beat someone like Superman cause he's just so fucking broken because of the writing.Goku cannot beat someone like Superman

[@Thepatheticone718]

Can you do Yujiro vs Uvogin next?

[@predatorhunter3169]

Him vs hayato farunji from kenichi is a better match up

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Yujiro Violates.

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@CerealExperimentsMizukiuvogain beats yujiro

[@sptflcrw8583]

​@@CerealExperimentsMizukiabsolutely not

[@Batman-rq7cj]

Is it possible for you to do a debunk on the Ryu vs Jin death battle?

[@mustardwithglasses6508]

Goku has like a thousand years + of experience since even dbz because of king's kai statement. Also, goku have actual martial arts adaptations and is consider the greatest martial artist on earth along side Roshi which includes 100+ different types of martial arts.

[@predatorhunter3169]

And he gets destroyed by superman every time.

[@mustardwithglasses6508]

​@@predatorhunter3169he doesn't. Lmao if you wanna debate sure. I've already done this over and over again. Outerversal Goku is very much a thing and Goku does not lose to most versions of supes.

[@predatorhunter3169]

@@mustardwithglasses6508 as much as you wanna cope, deathbattle exists buddy…

[@Meepie_Playz]

@@mustardwithglasses6508 Superman solos cope dragon ball meatrider

[@mustardwithglasses6508]

@@predatorhunter3169 death battle is now an official source? Tf?

[@alucard5623]

Looked at the video and took the biggest breath of my life😂

[@lclark6091]

TRUE

[@juhaeerjayran4246]

the problem with scaling superman to darkseid is how inconsistent darkseid is. darkseids falling feat was his true form. superman fights his avatars

[@MelloCello7]

No one wants to hear the truth

[@muirick9924]

CC & Xeno goku neggs. & jump force Goku

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

Yk you lost when you mention non canon shit and still lose

[@doctorsam5771]

Base Superman one shot the world forger like be fr for a second, he'd neg diff Goku

[@siei3i37]

No he wouldn't

[@asdasd-dm1hd]

@@siei3i37 he would

[@siei3i37]

@@asdasd-dm1hd No he wouldn't

[@Fins-Up-74]

I find it strange that xeno goku is used over cc goku, who is stronger than xeno since... he beat him

[@danield.d.d.daniels7292]

Death Battle DID use CC Goku..... They literally said so.

[@sptflcrw8583]

They did

[@funnyvalentine6512]

Although the scaling doesn't change much, but they used Heroes Goku which is not really xeno Goku

[@dsm2417]

Tyler they were using CC Goku not xeno Goku, they just upscaled cc as he’s stronger than Xeno Goku and his feats. Also stop downplaying Goku bro, you say translation are wrong but you should prove their wrong. Scans such as the other world being beyond dimensions, dimensionality, or dimensionally transcendental to the living world which is infinite 4D stated more than 8 times in guides approved by Akira toriyama. As well as the super dimensions and realms like the subspace which has no concept of time and space all which exist in dragon ball heroes. You say demigra destroying infinite timelines is not impressive when these contain realms beyond dimensionality, and concepts? Literally the crack of time is beyond that, beats world is above that and then theres the charisma world, the editors world and toribots world. We can easily apply God fusion goku beyond fictional feat with God Broly threatening the audience in our real world whos also existing in Heroes and you know what? Mechikabura was stronger than him. The same character weaker than Fuu whos weakere than both CC Goku and Xeno Goku easily making them high outer to boundless and irrelevant speed. Next time just have better research and stop downplaying db

[@coptartarcade1315]

As a true dragon ball fan, I aint reading allat

[@someguynamedsteve3753]

It has never been stated to be beyond dimensions, and the guide that states dimensional transcendental is talking other world to the universe meaning it transcends those dimensions in the universe which is 3D. Also a super dimension is the same thing as extra dimensional meaning 4D or more. Also there are plenty of guides that say otherworld is the next dimensional layer. It has never been stated that it is infinite 4D which wouldn’t be beyond 5D btw lol. Also Demigra did not destroy realms beyond dimensions and it has been state Demigra is from higher dimensions. This is some Drip Sauce scaling if I’ve ever seen it, you do realize the guy is seen as a meme? He has even stated he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and just says things to piss people off. Don’t use his scaling for dragon ball and then tell people to do research because you said a lot of things that aren’t a thing lol.

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

​@@coptartarcade1315Good. I lost 99.9 percent of my braincells reading that.

[@mrsketchysketch680]

I Will Probably Get Cancer From Reading All Of This.

[@jussaiyanz6275]

Very tru I approve as a DBZ fan👏🏾🙌🏾🤌🏾

[@christianrapper5]

They didn’t mention all of Xeno Goku’s feats because they didn’t want a 40 minute pre-fight explanation that no one would listen to.

[@warangelcloud]

I grew up with Superman and watched the Christopher Reaves version as a kid. The animated versions of Superman do not do Superman justice. So when DBZ first showed the speed feats for animation made Goku appear faster and stronger. Thanks for explaining DC cosmology so I get why Superman beats Goku. 90% of the time. For Superman to approach the Source Wal means he blitzes immeasurable speed while Goku has just reached immeasurable speeds. By he way, Tim drake was predicting when his opponent would appear(an intelligence feat) Goku at first did this with Hit, but later was going fast enough to out speed hit despite the time skip ability or destroyed the Hit's Time skip dimension with his strength without moving depending on if you're watching/reading the Anime/Manga.

[@ngosongjr1908]

The downplay of Goku is just mad insane.

[@debater452]

He highballed Goku

[@ngosongjr1908]

he didn't

[@headlander7119]

​@@ngosongjr1908 He did. Superman one-shots.

[@Oreo_166]

10:52 That tier’s actually called “irrelevant” speed - which is way higher than what we’d usually call “inaccessible”.

[@ndvct6087]

That tier is entirely fanmade and itself is irrelevant in determining speed or who is faster.

[@superlery5828]

For the World Forger/multi sundip feat, it occurred in Justice League #25 (2018) and is part of an ongoing story, going up to Justice League #39 (2018) and then Death Metal finishes the story, meaning they are mostly from the same writers and all following feats should be used to reassess the World Forger punch, as follows. It was mentioned in Justice League #35 (2018) that Perpetua (who is above World Forger) used most of her restored power to destroy one universe at a time and will need time to recharge before she can do it again, which was too much for the Justice League. Perpetua: 'All but a fraction of my power has returned to me. There is much work to do.' And then on the same page: Perpetua: 'It will take me some time to gather enough energy to destroy another universe. But there is work to do in the meantime.' Superman stated in Justice League #30 (2018) that they cannot win against Perpetua and her team (led by Lex Luthor) alone, and this is before Perpetua regained her power to destroy a universe. 6th Dimensional beings are also not as powerful as presumed, as laid out below: Justice League (2018) #36: (Batman) "We need Shayne (Son of Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl) and Hawkgirl back here now. The boy has the power of the sixth dimension inside of him." Justice League (2018) #38: (Apex Predator Lex Luthor) "Sense this, boy!" He knocked out Shayne with a single punch. Luthor was hurt by Batman, cut in half by Wonder Woman and stabbed Hawkgirl with a random object, defeating her. Superman’s full power has been shown, as below: Dark Nights: Death Metal #5: (Superman and some of the most powerful characters in DC, including Superboy Prime, try to destroy Earth 0) “Everyone, get to max speed! Hit it with everything you got in three…two…one” And even after this, they did not destroy the planet. Full disclaimer, Superman was affected by the Anti Life Equation at this point, but he was still able to match the Last Son in power in a heat vision Clash. The Last Son is a nightmare version of Prime/Rebirth/Infinite Frontier Superman who was exposed by a million suns and then corrupted. He also became a living star with a very different appearance. This proves Superman was less exposed to solar radiation than the Last Son because he was neither corrupted or had the appearance that the Last Son had. Finally, The Last Son was killed in Dark Nights: Death Metal #7 by being thrown into a black hole by Lex Luthor. There was a moment in Justice League #23 (2018) where Superman destroyed a planet of unknown size by leaping away from it, but based on the above, it is reasonable to assume that the planet is smaller than earth. All this would be enough proof to suggest that Superman’s punch to the World Forger is possibly not even earth planet level. A lot of people have misinterpreted Superman’s feats. All the points above were cited so that people can verify for themselves. Also, Superman did not destroy the multiverse if anyone mentions. Andrew Marino (the DC Editor) confirmed this. And the 5th and 6th dimensions were not spatial dimensions. It is mentioned in Imaginary Axis’s video with Scott Snyder (the writer) at 28:27 of his video (sorry, can’t post links).

[@faith4657]

Where do you scale Superman? Cause I can not for the life of me believe a base superman is even close to these high levels of power cause then what's the point of the different incarnations and forms.

[@superlery5828]

@@faith4657 Hi. I would believe Rebirth/Infinite Frontier Superman to be Planet to Solar System level, if I am being generous, based on my first post. Interestingly, Brian Bendis, who did his run of Rebirth Superman was asked if Superman can destroy a planet, his answer was 'Nope!' A lot of Superman's feats are never direct but through assumptions and inference, such as the above with World Forger who can create the multiverse and reside in the 6th Dimension, so people believe that when Superman struck him, this would also make Superman 6th Dimensional, even though World Forger doesn't really have any durability feats. The only direct showing Superman made during this story was when he had to gather some of the strongest members of DC villains to help him destroy Earth, which seems about right. Lots of Superman's other feats are also taken out of context.

[@superlery5828]

@@faith4657I forgot to add, don't listen to me, Death Battle or anyone. As others have said before me, read the comics for yourself and you will know the truth.

[@faith4657]

@@superlery5828 Cause they way they are described if we were to tell the authors if they were this powerful they wouldn't understand or believe him to be. Most gods in DC despite being all powerful have trash durability feats, this is why i find this level of superman's powers a farce and base superman being that strong. It's it lacks a lot of communication of story.

[@faith4657]

@@superlery5828 guess that true but people always want a universal answer or solution to an answer.

[@Toddles]

no matter what feats u pull-up superman slams and it’s not even close

[@siei3i37]

You're right it's really close

[@Toddles]

@@siei3i37it’s not

[@Chillersnowman]

Night wing solos🗿.

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

No he doesn't

[@Chillersnowman]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7r night wing does

[@infiniteWorlds24]

@@ChillersnowmanHonestly, with how long Dick has been around, I wouldnt be suprised if someone could somehow scale dick higher than goku

[@christianrapper5]

I mean everyone already knows that.

[@DrnoobzHermida]

@@christianrapper5nope nightwing fodder

[@WebbedManiac]

"The Superman from today, and the Superman from 20 years ago, are nowhere close in terms of power" Thank God somebody finally said it. It gives me brain damage when people unironically use the older Superman feats to downplay Superman, saying that he cannot even bust a planet/galaxy/universe, and I'm here like "Y'know he got stronger, right? Shounen characters aren't the only ones receiving a power boost as they progress" Edit (this is gonna be a long one): I would also like to point out that this page here at 11:24 is from a comic book called *DK3: The Master Race.* Now, why is this important? Because DK3 is a sequel comic to The Dark Knight Returns, the comic which is famous for having the most popular Batman vs Superman fight, which ends in Batman "beating" Superman, with the whole big speech and everything. Everyone knows this. It even has an animated movie adaptation. Now, why do I bring this up? Because in DK3, Earth is taken hostage by a bunch of Kryptonian cultists which leads Batman into mobilizing a defence for Earth. He is also dumped into a Lazarus pit which restores him to prime condition, so he's no longer a dying old man. The cultists are also younger and much more powerful than Superman. Naturally Bruce grabs some Kryptonite, body armour and prepares to fight because Clark would get stomped by these Kryptonians since he thinks Clark is not only weaker, but he's also a big dumb brawler who doesn't have any fighting skills. Clark stops Bruce, goes into the battlefield alone, and proceeds to solo all the Kryptonians with such surgical precision that even Batman is left in awe. His monologue goes: *_Dear God... That sonofabitch.... He's been holding back. All these years. He moves... he's already striking when he's avoiding a punch. There's a certain geometry to physical violence. I like to think I've mastered it. Turns out I'm still a student._* So... here we have the most popular version of a Batman beating Superman, and still when Superman actually starts trying and shows his skills, Batman (master of 100+ fighting styles) feels so inferior that he likens himself to a student in presence of a master. Just goes to show how skilled Superman actually is when trying.

[@Keith_Norman]

correction they didn't include xeno Goku into his thing they barely even mentioned him they said CC Goku

[@lclark6091]

GREEN LANTERN BEATS BEN 10 STAY MAD

[@Keith_Norman]

@@lclark6091 I mean we're not talking about that right now we're talking about Goku getting stomped by Superman but I'm just going to assume that you have no life in high school without anything else to do

[@l0sts0ul89]

​@@lclark6091 are you schizophrenic

[@Keith_Norman]

@@lclark6091 you have no life my guy

[@lclark6091]

@@Keith_Norman You should not talk about yourself like that.

[@maku3857]

This feels like a lot of downplay without any real evidence. Definitely feels like divine handled it better and I’m a little bit more convinced now since you seem like a pretty good scaler and this was the most you have for the debunk

[@Meepie_Playz]

His video was biased lil bro

[@maku3857]

@@Meepie_Playz o yes and the people who agree with you aren’t. If you actually read my comment I never said I agree with him but this video that’s done by someone I would consider pretty decent doesn’t do a good job at making the opposite argument.

[@Kermitttt-z2t]

​@@maku3857you 🤡

[@sas6384]

Superman solos this mid verse

[@ndi7365]

Goku hasn’t fought anything like Darkseid Superman fights Darksied every weekend and lives to tell it That evil Zeno character “Omincron” or whatever his name was that MasterMedia created in anime war, the Final boss that merged zeno fought, that guy is near Darkseid

[@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv]

No one in dbz is universal besides vegito and super buu

[@seb6220]

How is ultra instinct goku less universal than super buu??

[@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv]

@@seb6220 dbz not dbs learn to read

[@lucionjones8685]

​@@jonathanbenoit-mj9cvtrue dbz goku is high multi galaxy to low universal

[@jonathanbenoit-mj9cv]

@@lucionjones8685 fax

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Nobody in DBZ is Universal except for Berrus, Whis, Goku, Vegeta and Freeza. Since both of those movies were counted as DBZ movies. But using the original Z series, then nobody is Universal at all, Vegito is Multi Galaxy+ for being able to easily beat down Ultimate Gohan Buu who was going to destroy the Universe over time by ripping holes in it and pulling in other Universes. Buu shortly after being stopped by Vegito used that same power to attack Vegito and he still got demolished.

[@jadynfelix]

Superman been the GOAT

[@Mr.Noble711]

Please make a video on Comics Thor vs Vegeta.

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

Another massacre. Poor Vegeta.

[@Chillersnowman]

I have Current Thor at the low outerverse range with inaccessible speed, feel free to read my scaling, Yes its promotion but my Quora pfp Mr.D knight at my Thor section of answers is his scaling.

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

@@Chillersnowman What a low-ball for Thor lmfao.

[@Chillersnowman]

@@HelperKaiGlenn Thats not a lowball though, But he can go outerverse if you factor more of the cosmology.

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

@@Chillersnowman Thor is easily high outerversal+ and irrelevant speed. Especially current Thor. I'm not sure what scaling You're doing to downplay Thor to only inaccessible speed. Yikes. That's even below immeasurable. You're putting Thor slower than Goku that's absolutely ridiculous and Anyone that liked your comment has no idea how to scale. Because putting Thor there is absolutely ludicrous. Base Thor would absolutely molly wop composite Dragonball into the dirt. Anyone who thinks or says otherwise has no idea how to scale in the slightest. This has to be the worst scaling for Thor I have seen. Especially the speed scaling.

[@YapRageBaiter123]

Superman: round four? Goku: yeah.

[@damankymuse650]

Goku says while coughing up blood 💀💀

[@asdasd-dm1hd]

@@damankymuse650 goku says after being instantly lobotomised

[@nighfinite]

Yeah I also noticed that the Xeno scaling wasn’t there. Thank you for finally making this video, I needed this.

[@debater452]

It was researched, but wasn't directly stated in the episode for the casual audience. It was bought up in the corner boxes

[@nighfinite]

@@debater452 I see it, oh wait I don’t it left out many Xeno feats not that it matters anyway

[@Joe-uk4vu]

Xeno Goku is relative to SV Superman. CAS outscales tho

[@nighfinite]

@@Joe-uk4vu Maybe

[@HelperKaiGlenn]

​@@Joe-uk4vu Xeno Goku is a new 52 Superman victim.

[@Jechielwesterweele250]

At the end of the day superman’s scaling and feats don’t matter, it’s all about combat. We’ve seen superman get clapped in his strongest forms by weak opponents despite his crazy feats meanwhile Goku has been cheesing opponents far stronger and with millions of years of experience.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

Goku as an adults get harmed by a bullet, almost died to laser and in his opp angel absorbed moro could only destroy a galaxy with his absolute full power.

[@Jechielwesterweele250]

@@kawakiuzumaki5934 and supes hasn’t? He literally got bodied by a bunch of wizards in his strongest form prime, he got knocked tf out by wonder woman and got his ass beat by alfred with a baseball bat, he even got clapped by a lazer and there’s way more. just face it my guy superman is hella overrated and gets bodied by his opps more than Goku does.d

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@Jechielwesterweele250 the seven deeadly sins solos the db verse plus sp1m was mentally nerfed in that fight because he was getting ptsd from remembering doomsday. Wonder Woman has only fought supes holding back and she has admitted she wouldn’t win in a straight up fight against supes. (Plus she solos the db verse too) That’s injustice universe supes plus Alfred took a super powered pill that gave him superman strength. Clapped by a laser?? Context?

[@Jechielwesterweele250]

@@kawakiuzumaki5934 you’re smoking crack if u think supes and wonderwoman can solo the whole db verse, Arale is enough to erase supes out of his own existence including his whole verse and seven deadly sins?? Nah im pretty sure u on that pipe🤡

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@Jechielwesterweele250 supes is immune to existence erasure and yes they do solo the verse

[@VergilEdits]

Spawn Vs JJK verse please make it, i wanna see jjk fans cry in the comments

[@lclark6091]

Supe's is just better NGL

[@JadoBouhzam]

Let me guess goku is low multiversal lol super goku is outerversa+to high outerversal let alone xeno or cc goku since the afterlife is stated to have no concepts of space and time and there is also the subspace which the realm that goku uses for instant transmission is stated to have no concepts of space and time and there existing superdimension in dragon ball shown in the dbs broly movie being destroyed by gogeta and broly and goku scales above that feat by the time of the granola arc also there is arale who unironically transcends her own fiction in dragon ball as she is cannon to dragon ball and guess what she did in a manga panel she cuts of a page from her manga panel amd in the second panel it is litrally showing her holding the same manga panel she cut which is actually the manga panel showing her holding said same manga panel looped to infinity meaning she transcended her own manga panel infinitly implying an infinite loop of transcanding her own fiction and she also ran and time traveled and guess what that is immeasuruble speed and goku during the goku pre tournamen of power arc is relative to hern and since in dragon ball power and speed are relative to each other this gives goku immeasruble speed and yes goku does have immeasruble speed in dragon ball since he scales above jiren who litrally stated his power transcends time when fighting hit and powee and speed correlate to each other also shakimg an infinite realm known as the world void that has been also stated to have no concepts of space and time and there battle was called superdimensionla in said episode between goku and jiren yeah sorry superman get destroyed watch ssjryu1 dragon ball cosmology video for more information the dragon ball cosmology get heavily downplayed among the vs community it is much more busted than people realize if u actually do the proper research and dont lowball goku

[@yeikelamores6085]

Exactly, people do so much massive downplay to Goku, which is absurd, people really don't know anything about the scale of Goku and DB in general or the cosmology

[@denisn8336]

@@yeikelamores6085I honestly believe it’s out of a hate boner for the verse that they go through hoops just to downplay

[@debater452]

​@@denisn8336Just going to ignore how Dragon ball had a massive win streak, constantly gets praised and hyped up and the fact that the crew are massive Dragon ball fans

[@debater452]

This is what happens when you consume to much meth

[@denisn8336]

@@debater452 na those win streaks where obviously one sided. Even people who dislike dragon ball would agree. But the big names however yeah it’s downplay galore

[@MultiMario2306]

Bruh, I used Tim Drake scaling as an example. I'm done. I believe in infinite-speed Superman, but there are a million different ways to show Clark has infinite speed. Never cook again

[@Dragonbreathereditz]

Finally the goku glazing is over🗿🗿🗿🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@yeikelamores6085]

You mean Goku's massive downplay has started

[@denisn8336]

You mean supe tards downplaying tf out of goku is still continuing? Wow

[@lclark6091]

@@yeikelamores6085 Goku has been glazed in power scaling for the past 9 to 10 year's its only recently that people started to realize the fact that superman wins. Back in 2016 nobody would say that Supes wins but ever since 2021 with those vs short's now its diffrent.

[@yeikelamores6085]

@@lclark6091 You clearly weren't on the internet if you think that, since Goku has been massively downplayed by people since the early 2000s.

[@mauricejohnson2351]

You mean the goku downplay is never over🗿

[@African-AmericanGoose]

*Inaccessible speed: moving in 0 time. *Irrelevant speed: moving beyond the concept of speed,dimensionality,space n time.

[@asdasd-dm1hd]

no, infinite speed is infinite speed, which can also work as moving in 0 time,. immeasurablle speed is moving in negative time and irrelevant speed is speed where distance and time arent even a thing anymore

[@dailybillions9205]

Death battle wasn’t using Zeno Goku only cc Goku they just mentioned that dragon ball heroes made ss4 look Kool

[@PandemoniumDemonix]

Despite common belief, Hit's Time Skip doesn't actually stop time

[@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x]

Okay, transformations again does not mean his dimensionality is changing, by your logic. Saitama would grow infinite layers into Boundless. By the way, Xeno goku's tier only barely reaches to 5-D baseline not even close to 6-D.

[@kharii_db]

Goku wasn't necessarily struggling with hits time skip initially its just that hits time skip started evolving but i understand bros point

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

6:55 Except Darkseid is falling from the God sphere where beings size and power get much bigger. This is explained if you read New Gods vol 4 issue 10 when Superman in the God sphere sees what planets look like when in that dimension in respect to their body. If any of you actually took the time to actually read the comics beyond the scans you would understand even the world forger has this same issue. In the 6th dimension which is above space time and imagination his definetly outerversal BUT as he goes into the regular dimensions he loses that power. He says as much in Justice League vol 4 issue 30 and 31 stating his power is diminished in the lower dimensions. Remember when Superman punched the world forger, his speed was above physics(which is space and time) and imagination, all of which in the 6th dimension is above. The comic is explaining the dimension superman is in because he was elevated to that power by Mr Myx to be in the 6th dimension. In the lower dimensions superman doesn't have that kind of power. Damn too many of you are too lazy to read the actual comics. Superman has never been universal. Heck Scott Snyder the head writer of DC comics last 3 crisis events had an interview imaginary axis on KZbin at 36:36 of that video says that perpetua was only universal in the lower dimensions. This debate only continues because youtubers just want the revenue from the comments it generates while they know absolutely they are wrong. Heck those of you that actually want to see this in action read crisis on infinite earths issue 12 and what Death Battle says what happens. Anti-Monitor had the power from the anti matter universe drained from before he fought superman. Read the comics DC fans are on a cocain high on misreading feats and your all helping them by not actually reading the comics.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

There of god sphere don’t increase your size, the boom tube does. Superman has beaten true form darkseid reguardless and he didn’t use boomtubes to get to apokolips when doing it. This is complete headcanon that superman got more powerful just because he was in the sixth dimension. Superman was actually the only JL memeber that was powerful enough to exist there in the first place. Because if you’re not powerful enough to exist there you die. It doesn’t amp you. How was Perpetua only u oversaw when she was literally destroying the entire dc multiverse cosmology with her fight with TDK. You’re not reading the comics I fear. Not even worth addressing because this is not that impressive of feat for superman anyways.

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

@@kawakiuzumaki5934 Again if you actually read comics (New Gods vol 4 issue 10) I am referring to how the larger size made it so Darkseid by falling is able to destroy the lower universes because as you go into the higher dimensions in DC you increase in power in respects of the lower dimensions. In the God Sphere characters size become so big that to the lower dimensions literally just collapse if the actual sized Darkseid tried to enter it. Heck Google "what do boomtubes do to size" Perpetua is only outerversal in the higher 6th dimension. In the lower dimension she is only Universal. The 6th dimension is above space, time and imagination. You said it too that characters die if they go there. The portal that superman used also protected superman as the next portal that protected the other Justice League members(in Justice League vol 4 issue 19). Remember that Myx is the one to give him the power to do so. World forger allowed the rest to do so. Also perpetua is only Universal as the writer said. People forget what started the whole Perpetua saga. Which was the breaking of the Source wall. When the Source wall broke something started to happen to realm of imagination as Myx explained to Justice League in Justice League vol 4 issue 19. That imagination was dying because the Source wall cracked. In Justice League volume 4 annual when Perpetua escaped the Source wall was destroyed and that means that imagination was already dead. The bleed is explained to be a liquid that moves from the 5th dimension into the spaces between the universes was falling apart. That's why the bleed is falling apart and the number of universes have dwindled. The system is falling apart(collapsing) because of the damage that they had caused before hand. Also Metron says it himself that the God sphere is tied to the faith of the lower dimensions. Like how Darkseid is the embodiment of all evil. Also like the writer stated perpetua only had enough power to blow up 1 universe at a time in the interview. Also let me add that the Batman Who Laughs died by having himself incenerated in a dying sun. Dying Sun...

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

⁠@@Teekayhuey_TK They never say the realm inherently changes your power and size. BOOMTUBES do that but what you refuse to understand is that Superman has went to Apokolips without the aid of a boomtube and beaten Darksied’s ass. So either superman is that strong and can adjust his size himself or they’ve abandoned that concept. Pick your poison. Perpetua in her fight with TDK was in the orrery and it was affecting the entire cosmology which includes the sixth dimension. So no that’s an outerversal feat and she wasn’t in the sixth dimension when she performed it. The portal never protected superman, he was just strong enough to go there. Simple. Also you telling me mxy was giving him energy over years for him to be able to do that is irrelevant because Superman’s body was made to absorb energy and store it… so that mxy energy is sort of base superman lol. Idk where you were going with that one. Your last desperate attempt is a writer statement which is completely clobbered by the fact a weakened Perpetua and TDK fighting was stated to be destroy the entire cosmology. So no she can’t be just universal. You have been served. Have a nice day.

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

@kawakiuzumaki5934 So it took you 3 days to literally ignore that Apokolips is a roaming planet that moves around, that includes through boomtubes. Perpetua and TDK fight was just them pushing the final dominoes of the system of the multiverse that started when the source wall was destroyed. The "every facet of reality" comment was referring to all the beings from the higher realms watching the fight. It's clear Perpetua only had enough power to destroy 1 universe at a time. That's clear when you actually read the story. For example why did Perpetua need crisis energy, because she could only destroy 1 universe at a time. Why was the entire superhero base trying to free the humans that were psychicly being tortured to get Perpetua energy. Why did Perpetua need her thrown? It's simple 3 seperate story arcs where devoted to removing these powers from Perpetua so she can be weakened. It's why the writer told us what happened and what her actual power was. You're just deciding to intentionally misread a clearly explained scenario of the story, that i reiterate, was explained by the person who wrote it. You can be starborn about it all you want still don't change the clear majority of the story. Also checked up the Clock king statement. It's from Teen titans vol 3 issue 59 and 60. Red Robin only stayed away from Clock King. He didn't have the skill to match his future sight and kept a distance from him aka out of range. He couldn't even land a blow. Clock king literally beat him without Robin being unable to even touch him. Again another scenario of DC fans ignoring actual facts of comics to try to match Goku.

[@kawakiuzumaki5934]

@@Teekayhuey_TKbro you keep making up lies and expect me to address them. Show me where tf apokolips is roaming in a boom tube??😭 I’m done Addressing you because you’re just gonna create another lie when you’re cornered

[@Papa_Burton]

We don't talk about Tim like that.

[@ramzisalim2592]

Can you debunk Frieza vs Megatron? Anyone who has read the IDW comics knows that Megatron should've won that fight

[@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x]

Outerverse level? The Heavely Realm is a transcedental realm, and the part where you quoted "Beyond Dimensions" is literally just you misunderstood it. It only says "It cannot be precived by the physical realm's dimesion" meaning it cannot be affected by that dimension because they are separate.

[@PYRATE31]

how is DC cosmology bigger than marvel........