Cabba VS SSJ4 Gogeta Isn’t Fair

[@Takt.mp4]

"Please Cabba I NEED THISSS"💀💀

[@Jay35513]

You're kind of too strong my fans are struggling to back me up 😭🙏🏾💯🔥🔥🙏🏾

[@Emmanueltheking1233]

😭😭😭

[@gadget_gadge]

​@@Jay35513my fanbase are kinda hopless

[@runeuchihawhatifsandgaming3783]

GT follows the ENTIRE dbz anime, where buu is said to threaten to destroy the kaioshin realm, which is universe sized, which is a similar feat to dragon ball super’s super saiyan/super saiyan god goku clashing with beerus feat. Meanwhile dragon ball super follows closely to the manga and Dragon ball Z KAI timeline. This means GT includes filler scenes which makes their Z scaling higher, plus filler statements which put kid buu at universal. Yet you’re out here saying omega was just universal? Fun fact, it wasn’t omega shenron’s power destroying the universe, it’s just that his negative energy naturally destroys the universe. Do we see Full power ultra ego vegeta destroying the universe just by existing? No, we don’t. Does that mean Omega Shenron is stronger than Ultra Ego Vegeta? HELL NO! Ultra ego vegeta crushes Omega just by glaring. But Base GT goku scaling to The ENTIRE DBZ anime’s kid buu in base scales him to universal. Meanwhile it took the god ritual to make goku universal in dbs. Goku does get much stronger as well. Remember that lord Lude or General Lude or wHtever that robot guy was. He took super saiyan goku and trunks to beat. General rildo was created to be stronger than that guy and goku matched him in base until general rildo transformed. Already 50 times stronger from the start of GT who was already universal. Don’t forget that baby was created to be on the level or stronger than general rildo and was outclassed by base goten, and super saiyan baby goten was outclassed by base gohan. And when goku gets back to earth he outclasses both of them.

[@aslination]

@@runeuchihawhatifsandgaming3783 Holy Yap.

[@DonforthDHC]

I still have no idea how this became a thing. I’m not even mad, I’m just genuinely confused.

[@LuisFernan-zr9pg]

It was a joke, people (like powerscalers and gt fans) took it seriously.

[@Moverboy]

The original origin traces all the way back to BoG when gt fans started to try scaling beerus to omega shenron. Then with super we had people asking if Cabba was stronger than teen Gohan, now with sparking zero it’s been brought to this conclusion.

[@dalaw9660]

It all started YEARS ago, when a post said “ Ssj2 Gohan vs SSJ 2 cabba.” And everyone at first said Gohan, but then looked into it, and realized that Cabba probably solos most of Z.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@dalaw9660 all of dbz

[@uviwekuro]

😂 you not alone buddy

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Supers scaling is absolutely wonky. Fricking tien beats ssj3 vegito

[@Sukhonius]

F*CK Fusions, F*CK Super Saiyan 3, aaand F*CK YOU! SHIIIN KI KO HOOOOOOO! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

In a way, its nice everyone is relevant again after the sayians power gapped everyone. But yeah everyone in U7 reaching god level on their own never sat well with me. The other universes get a pass cause who knows what they get up to over there

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

​@@Mapple-qp6yg IT doesn't matter how strong they get. They still ain't that relevant unfortunately

[@ItsB1998]

No he doesn't he couldn't even beat master Roshi

[@xeratovildan9871]

​@ItsB1998 .. who scales above a potential ssj3 BoG vegito. Which means Tien pressing him in the slightest makes relative to someone who surpasses Vegito. Brody doesn't comprehend that roshi (and everyone else) just randomly got stronger in super. Just because you don't like doesn't mean it didn't happen

[@hsaungaye9662]

Nah brother, I refuse this cabba propaganda lol fight me in sparking zero! That’s where the debate will end

[@dracuvassaamba]

You'll lose

[@maxmendoza7267]

Prove all the doubters wrong👍

[@jjsjkaks]

Games can't be used to power scale characters.

[@dracuvassaamba]

@@jjsjkaks manga scales cabba higher

[@jjsjkaks]

@@dracuvassaamba ?

[@HelenaSan425]

Cabba was the Honored One lol

[@xyzgaia7218]

Only a weak trash

[@Limitless94829]

I guess you forgot the time: -Base GT Goku destroyed an entire dimension outside of space and time. -Super Baby 2 Warped Reality with his Revenge Death Ball. -Base GT Goku ragdolled Heaven while being in Hell. -Goku moving in Instant Transmission in the Cooler's Revenge Movie(A massively weaker Goku).

[@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211]

So omega shenron, who could defeat start of gt goku easily, gets bodied by start of gt goku feats wise?

[@rancorious7785]

Allat to get surpassed by BoG

[@nathanpuno2569]

@@rancorious7785BOG has the least amount of feats for super so not rlly

[@millasboo]

Exactly

[@millasboo]

No as him existing was doing everything & destroying the macro. Passively. Unless you mean the spirit bomb GT goku?

[@KnowItJoe]

The SSJ4 Gogeta agenda will never recover from this meme

[@Kurouso2099]

Fr, its funny but its sad and annoying at the same time

[@Kameかめ-e]

​@@Kurouso2099We're comparing a non Canon form that was made two decades ago.

[@ElMalito187]

Fun fact: SSJ4 Gogeta pimp smacks Cabba thousands of times over before Cabba can even finish his thinking process.

[@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211]

Fun fact: you should give some evidence to back up you’re opinion.

[@ElMalito187]

@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 Fun fact: Instead of goating people into nonsensical nonsense debates about what’s what in order to get a rise out of them. Why don’t you just enjoy the show and the franchise for what it really is i.e. a drawing on a piece of paper made for entertainment purposes for all ages and for the future generations to come. You want hard evidence, draw it yourself and make a manga out it for everyone else to enjoy and add additional lore to the franchise instead of waiting around on the powers to be i.e. Toei, Shuesha and FujiTV to officially put out more content as if their doings are gospel and holy. Edit: If you’re not content with my answer. Then go back to smoking more crystal meth and figure out how you’re gonna make a down payment on your home mortgage so you don’t have to continue being a homeless meth head. And worry about real responsibilities to make your life and those around you i.e. your loved ones a bit less painful. Edit: Not an opinion but a necessary factual statement. God bless my friend and don’t OD on that crystal meth. Cheers 🥂

[@heftyroom61610]

@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 Ssj4 gogeta is FAR stronger than Omega Shenron, a character that literally stated that he could wipe out the entire universe if he wanted... I think that this is pretty much all the evidence you need.

[@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211]

@@heftyroom61610 no it isn’t. Cabba also is a lot stronger than universe busters. I’m not saying he would win. I just don’t like it when people say things without giving any evidence.

[@heftyroom61610]

@@yoguyslookatmypetlightsabe8211 Bro are you hecking serious? Cabba is an inexperienced teen saiyan that can spar with Vegeta ONLY because plot armor.

[@masterbladeVII]

8 mins of super glazing, 1 min of talking about Gts power scaling. Great comparison vid 😉

[@Tylearned]

You know it 🤘🔥

[@PensiveAnalysis]

you’re coping hard as fuck 😂

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Lmao imaging being so featless that you have to rely on wanked out scaling to try and equate GT to Super

[@Jay35513]

​​@@SuperKamiGuruuwank scaling wait have you ever heard of this magical wonderful thing in power scaling called upscaling and it's not like he gave proof or debunked Omega shenron oh and it's not like bass cabba is equal to base Vegeta 😨😨

[@DanielLopez-dv4uw]

@@Jay35513relative*and bud ssj4 gogeta boasted to end omega with just a finger yet his full power big bang kamehameha only reverted back to Syn….so literally both of them are wanked,cabba is up scaled to base vegeta level instead of just barely,and gogeta has been up scaled to what he actually boasted instead of what he showed.

[@parabol.d.teech69]

Is there any way I can debate you on this? You didnt even scale GT at all in this video... At the end of the video you take a dumbed-down strawman of someone defending GT in a valid way and shut it down because... idk? This seems to just be biased.. It's okay not to like GT but you genuinely didnt even try

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

What scaling can counter the fact that Omega can only destroy U7 by absorbing its life energy over time? The DBZ Buu feat is also in Kai, so that changes nothing. And with Daima coming all super characters are about to be upscaled even more as well.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

The overinflated scaling of GT is still not as impressive as Goku and Beerus' god clash

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@Mapple-qp6yg I dont need to scale to debunk the Omega thing. He was threatening to destroy the universe passively over time by just existing (zero effort put in). Just because the feat shown is weaker than Super Scaling doesnt debunk TONS of GT scaling (I can comment again later with my actual scaling). Thats like saying "Oh, in Dragon Ball Super Beerus is seen ONLY destorying a planet so Beerus is planetary and cant be beyond planetary because in my cherry picked example that ignores scaling it ONLY shows a planetary feat"

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@Mapple-qp6yg Also also, Kai has no official correlation to the Super anime. Also also also, I dont think Daima will upscale Super lmao

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@@SuperKamiGuruu how not

[@mrminati1425]

Narrator: "In one corner, we have Cabba, the eager Saiyan ready to prove himself!" Cabba: "I’ll show everyone my power!" Narrator: "And in the other corner, SSJ4 Gogeta, looking like he just stepped out of a magazine!" Gogeta: smirking "That’s cute. But I hope you’re ready for some real training!" Cabba: "Wait, what do you mean by ‘real’?" Gogeta: "Oh, just a little family reunion… on the ashes of your planet!" Narrator: "And just like that, Cabba realizes: he’s not the hero of this story-he’s the tragic backstory!

[@Toddles]

cabba one shots

[@wyatttalley2233]

Cringe.

[@mrminati1425]

@@wyatttalley2233 it's AI generated joke 😉

[@kaienglish271]

Bruh it’s only because Cabba is skinny 😂 Give Cabba muscles it’s not even a debate

[@DustGundam]

Give the U6 Saiyans more depth and maybe people wouldn't be pissed off that much

[@kaienglish271]

@@DustGundam wdym more depth. Kid Gohan had no depth and surpassed Goku , Piccolo and Raditz. Sooo what’s the problem ?

[@metalhaki2754]

@@kaienglish271 he meant a GOOD STORY, how the hell you dint understand

[@kaienglish271]

@@metalhaki2754 well he didn’t because everything we know about the Universe 6 Saiyans is valid reason to why they would be stronger. No violence , evolved past the need of tails and can just use energy better than U7 Saiyans. What more u want ?

[@xeratovildan9871]

​@@kaienglish271they want them to wear fursuits like the gt characters so they can crank their shit to more yiff

[@j.i.k2.044]

Facts over fan bias everytime 💯

[@Profitin]

Tylearned back at it with the most delusional takes of all time

[@spitbombgoku9526]

is the z movies canon to GT, I'm pretty sure that will make GT Goku lot stronger.

[@ReBolt590]

Yeah, they are

[@humanman9920]

They don't matter , sugoroku space is established the greatest piece of cosmology outside heroes before being destroyed by Base GT Goku .

[@manuelquijada817]

@@humanman9920Not even above the Macrocosm. It’s so insignificant that no one acknowledges its destruction, not even King Yemma in the Super 17.

[@brysondynamite2055]

They literally cant be, you can say they are, but the movies are shown to take place in areas and times that literally cant fit in the time line at all

[@IIKNIVEZ]

@@brysondynamite2055yet they do all the villains from the movie came back in super 17 arc

[@SiNKarnage]

5:50 Frieza didnt rely on his Golden Form to beat Cabba. He only did that to take Cabba out as swift as possible cause he literally dont have the time to play with him. 😂 Final Form Frieza now holds the same roll as his previous forms, as a means to suppress his true form which is Golden (Currently Black). If they had more time, Frieza could've manhandled SSJ2 Cabba in his 4th stage as he was literally immune to his Final Flash attack.

[@ashuraomega1000]

Golden is not Frieza's true form

[@greatman5958]

The two most important arguments in favor of Cabba 1 - Cabba is stronger than Vegito 2 - Cabba is stronger than SSG Goku who can destroy the universe in a very short time First of all, Cabba is not stronger than Vegito And Goku's statement that he is not confident that fusion is enough to defeat Beerus was subject to retcon Because in the Tournament of Power, we will find that Kefla was able to surpass SSG Goku Means the fusion of Potara base form > SSG Even in the movie Broly, we will find that Gogeta in his base form performed better than Goku in SSB Means base form fusion dance > ssb And it is known that Vegito is equal to or even stronger than Gogeta Means the base form of Vegito > Super Saiyan Blue Goku As for Goku's statement that he is not confident that fusion is enough to defeat Beerus, it may be because Goku does not know how the fusion of Potara works or he was exaggerating or As I said at the beginning this statement got retconed As for cabba being at universel this is not an impressive feat as everyone is trying to portray it by Dragon Ball standards Even Bohan can destroy the universe, meaning cabba is only at the level of Bohan based on the feats only But Goku SSJ3 in his first appearance, his energy reached the world of Kaioshin, this may seem like a weak feat, but for Goku's energy to be the size of universe 7 because universe 7 is mostly empty, filling all that empty space with energy is more impressive than destroying the matter of the universe because the matter of the universe is less than the empty space in it The same feat was done by Super Buu in his first appearance We can even go further, as even Goku mentioned that he was collecting energy from the planets of the universe and all life forms in the spirit bomb that he used against Frieza And Frieza survived it, meaning even Frieza is universel So the only way to compare GT and Super is to take a character like Goku SSJ3 or Kid Buu and measure Power jumps over that character And if we do this, we will find that SSJ 4 GT Goku alone should be stronger than Cabba without any fusion + I see that you are trying to downplay the feat Omega Shenron The feat he did is stronger than any feat in DBS because KibitoShin said that he will try to escape from the destruction that Omega will create but the old Kaioshin told him that there is no place to escape This is interesting because Kibitokai can go to sub space and hide in it Since the old Kaioshin prevented him, this means that Omega can destroy sub space, which can be considered outerversel because according to Chuzenshu 4, sub space is a world without the concept of time or the concept of space, and according to Dragon Ball Guide Book Goku Densetsu, sub space is a world beyond the concept of time This means that Omega Shenron and any character above him from GT are all outerverse, arguably This means that GT Gogeta wipes out all of DBS in 0 time, arguably

[@Coldskin1]

You need to work on your comprehension skills if you think battle of gods vegito (pre ssjg) can take on kefla 🤦. No ones talking about current goku and vegeta fusion as vegito 🤡 Current would wipe kefla and jiren too.

[@greatman5958]

​@@Coldskin1 No you are the one who need to work on his comprehension skills because i didn't say that battle of gods vegito (pre ssjg) can take on kefla

[@ItsB1998]

Excellent text wall, but Cabba isn't actually Battle of God level. He was proven to only "equal" a Vegeta that was holding back

[@Evren_]

@@ItsB1998 vegeta thought to himself that cabba's base form was equal to his, hencee why he went super saiyan. base cabba solos ssj4 gogeta

[@ItsB1998]

@@Evren_ If that was the case Base Vegeta wouldn't be stronger than SSJ2 Cabba in the TOP, and Cauliflla wouldn't have struggled against a Buu saga level opponent (Napapa)

[@user-ze7pe6fm7k]

This GT downplay needs to stop. Kid buu and Buuhan were stated to be able to destroy the macrocosm, goku had later surpassed them massively in the end of Z and than got a massive amp training with Uub. The only explanation i can see is omega just dont have the destructive capability to destroy the macrocosm. Also end of Z goku is stronger than Arale who is on the level of TOP SSB goku and vegeta (this logic only works though if you presume that super and theoretical GT arale are the same)

[@Tylearned]

Why would they be the same LMAO

[@cross2964]

Not Macrocosm, Universe. Which is what they would typically call the World of the Living in the Anime at the time. BoG explicitly has a statement from Old Kai saying the destructive shockwaves would reach and destroy everything, including the Kais who live in a world that orbits the Macrocosm, the Buus do not.

[@risky5940]

End o Z goku stronger then arale Where did you get that

[@SinfulofSauce]

​@@risky5940 EoZ Goku > Arale. Toriyama stated since it's the end of Z, he saw no other stronger opponent for Goku since he was the strongest in the universe. That would mean Arale is included in this.

[@PensiveAnalysis]

@@user-ze7pe6fm7k no. LMFAO. They were going to destroy the LIVING realm. Jesus Christ. 🤣💀

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

Thank you! Finally the scaling that we all agreed on since 2015 is back again. I have no clue when the GT wank started but seeing people contest BOG’s feats and lowball them is insane.

[@ReBolt590]

He didn't even scale gt

[@HavokUnbound]

Mental gymnastics all around smh

[@humanman9920]

lowballing isn't needed for the fact that Base GT Goku since sugoroku space destruction solos dbs , the scale of that place is explicitly established above anything we've seen in dbs . But ignorance is bliss ik

[@HavokUnbound]

@@humanman9920 you say that yet the strongest villain in gt can't obliterate a universe on his own and we get that in spades the first arc in super... Interesting 🤔🤣🤣🤣

[@HavokUnbound]

@@humanman9920 the world of void exists but ahhh "bigger than anything in super" you're not biased at alllll 🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ShockwaveLogicalEditz]

The GT glazing is preposterous.

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

I don't think you can say Frieza was forced to gold when he literally says he wasted it then when an angry SS2 Caulifla tries to blast him he raised 1 finger in 4th form. As for Omega's feat being limiting, that's kinda crappy, Buuhan was already pulling uni shit cause Vegito spanked him. It's the same as "oh well Moro needs to EXPLODE to be galaxy or universal so SSG isn't" I think it's worse for Super though cause Omega's is more passive he is literally just standing there and rotting everything then gets it all to hit Gogeta. If you bring up the "they upscale everyone in Z"...so does GT, least by the Baby saga Vegito's absolutely cliffed. You can argue earlier too but those are pretty stank. Rest of it's fine.

[@Tylearned]

Frieza by scaling would have to be below Ssj2 Cabba because we know Golden itself is a bigger multiplier than blue and he’s >~ above blue Goku. Meaning base to base he’s more than likely relatively below which is why ssj2 overwhelmed him. (Can jus say base cabba was weaker than normal which is why he didn’t do that good anyway) I mention the z cliffing compared to gt idk why this got brought up, thru Z yes GT could be better than Base Cabba but that’s really all you can get 😭 feat wise GT just doesn’t have it

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

@@Tylearned Honestly Goku was just holding back a lot on Caulifla, he powers up in SS2 like 7 times against Kale alone and base Vegeta slapped away the fat bitch with one hand. Goku and Vegeta just left U6 in the dust in the ToP even early on. Cause you brought it up for Super when it's super obvious for both of em. GT is really weird in itself since its feats are pretty ass, granted Super also has a lot of ass feats but not nearly as much. GT's hard carried by Z stuff and especially movie stuff since a number of them are definitely canon like Janemba is fucking up the universe's laws by standing there.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@Tylearned ssj2 ain't overwhelm anything why do you guys lie to fit a wrong narrative? Frieza only went golden to flex on cabba and that's it, doesn't mean ssj2 cabba is above base frieza just cause frieza went golden thst logic makes no sense

[@SosukeTYBW]

To solidify this even further base frieza was ready to box up ssj2 caulifla and controlled kale who both we know are stronger than cabba and this is after cabba got knocked out so again, how is ssj2 cabba above base frieza but base frieza isn't worried about a ssj2 caulifla who is stronger than ssj2 cabba

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

@@SosukeTYBW Frieza can also sense normal ki now so he's not stupid with that judgement

[@Kakbraze]

I don't think cabba forced frieza into gold, I think frieza just wanted to flex on him

[@ulitmatedangai4934]

But according to Toei, movie 14 is actually Canon to DBGT so EOZ Goku should be way above early Super characters.

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@ulitmatedangai4934 yeah Tylearned didnt actually scale GT. I think he might just not like it so didnt bother to researched it and only looked at the tip of the iceberg for his assessment. Im disappointed. Usually he actually does work in these videos. He only scaled ONE character in this video

[@ahmedriyad4264]

OK where was it confirmed(I use Hitchens razor if you don't give proof)

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

BoG movie and BoG anime are very different. BoG movie has no uni punches or anything even close to that. They upscale Z Vegito though.

[@yfr7759]

That quite literally does nothing cuz the BOG Movie and Arc are 2 completely different continuities, and the movie doesn't have the Shockwave feat. Also when did Toei ever say this?

[@ahmedriyad4264]

@@yfr7759 I suspect that he is lying

[@JakeBosh15]

Having Tylearned,Avent, Lonk, Broku,and the salad bar drop the same video witin the same week is crazy work

[@Tylearned]

Universe 7 came together for this one

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TylearnedSuper Saiyan 4 Gogeta one shots cabba I'm not going to say this shit again get to the points sometimes your videos piss me off just for the hell of it which means you are stupid and I'm calling you out for it every single time cuz I don't like your dumb bias ass please don't waste my time

[@cjcj4861]

​@@Tylearnedteen Gohan destroys cabba I am tired of that debate as well so no there is no calm down cabba no chance against team Gohan none whatsoever

[@cjcj4861]

​ so what Jackass Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta literally fault Omega Shenron during the Shadow Dragon Saga yeah he's solo super get to the point I don't care what you say

[@darknesshorizon3742]

It's like saying yamcha can beat super Saiyan Goku

[@afro025]

that's how stupid dragon ball powerscaling is 💀 no one should be taking this shit seriously

[@ponchosavage5207]

In the Moro arc he definitely can he literally saves goku and vegeta dragon ball always has been this way everybody always gets stronger idiots are just upset it’s not their shitty ass gt nostalgia garbage

[@supesisfodder7427]

@@afro025moron

[@Coldskin1]

​@@afro025super yamcha vs namek goku 💀

[@Svropre6]

​@@Coldskin1 Super Yamcha solos

[@ultraexcalibur1728]

In the Super 17 Arc Goku shook the entire Universe in his Base Form. But you know what they say about Dragon Ball fans...

[@OmniDan26]

I mean shaking the universe is like a multi solar system level feat

[@TheSuperGoober]

Gogeta solos all of Super tbh, and he doesn't even need to be stronger. He's just too fast. Really everyone greater than post-Cell but pre-Buu Saga Base Goku within the Z Anime can solo Super.

[@Toddles]

he’s not even multiversal and univerdal at max super feats are way above gt feats

[@ashuraomega1000]

Holy shit this is such a delusional take 💀🙏

[@dantesinferno5420]

Why didn't u mention gt upscales from buuhan?not that that changes the verdict seems like u downplaying gt

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. TYLEARN 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@TheeSinnerman]

that's destroying the living world not Universe 7 brother He'd still get slammed

[@Tylearned]

Didn’t mention it directly but I did say they upscale massively above z, including that feat.

[@dantesinferno5420]

@@TheeSinnerman ammm it's a bit more complicated than that he was crushing the living world with alternate dimensions by collapsing them on top of it I won't go into details but even vsbw has it at low multi but yah dbs just does scale higher even low tiers like cabba

[@TheeSinnerman]

@@dantesinferno5420 Sure But Since Base Goku also scales massively above that

[@vegetacultminorityhunter]

Cabba washes 🙏🏿

[@ItsB1998]

Gets washed*

[@Generalmituna8079]

@@ItsB1998 Super >>>>>>>>>> GT in terms of powerscaling.

[@ItsB1998]

@@Generalmituna8079 The strongest super characters beat the strongest GT characters yes. Cabba is not one of those characters though.

[@kakarot9309]

Nope​@@Generalmituna8079

[@primeofl3378]

did we just give only 40 secs of gt talk if anything, if u actually scaled gt goku u would see he beats super goku

[@cbthescare]

agreed. Gt is so much more powerful then what people think

[@kilo-303]

I don't even care about this GT super discussion I just hate cabba

[@pasty188]

No, you forgot the movie canon To all of the movie l how do you think Vegeta the no fusion dance? And you know do we forget that? Baby attack was going to race earse Goku and never ever back to life ever again.

[@izzyDbuzzin]

No the enemies and battles happens but not specifically the movies. Its literally impossible for all the movies to have happened alongside the z timeline. The enemies exist, cooler, janemba, etc. But it did NOT happen how the movies happened. Literally impossible for it to be the case. Movie characters are cannon to Gt, not the movies themselves

[@codeless6648]

​@@izzyDbuzzinso how did Vegeta know the fusion dance if the movie events never happened?

[@izzyDbuzzin]

@@codeless6648 i said it 3 times in the comment and you STILL didnt get it. Janemba happens. The fusion dance happens. But how the movie events went down, scene for scene, is not the same. Bro like did you even read the comment?

[@xeratovildan9871]

​@@izzyDbuzzinhe's too busy cranking it to ssj4 yiff to notice fine details like that.

[@rae5057]

Bruh nobody in any of those movies are doing shit to super characters

[@SoldierBol]

the scaling in dbs is dogshit

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

Finally someone says the actual Manga scale, to support your point, Toriyama outright said the anime and manga run in parallel and are extensions of each other.

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@SonZackSSJ9k yeah but in the Super Manga, the god form was never said to be absorbed into base. On top of that, the anime and manga are different enough to constitute entirely different scaling from one another

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@parabol.d.teech69 That doesn’t matter, even if God wasn’t absorbed there was many things to say how it’s more powerful in the manga. Beerus was said to view Goku more formidable in the manga than in the anime. Vegeta went from losing to SSJ Goku Black to Destroying Rosé. Goku went from Blue level to Fusion level amped and so did Vegeta 2x the next arc if not 3 times. This is all ignoring the fact God in the manga works the same way it does in the anime meaning Goku in the manga had to have absorbed the God Form and even in the RoF version of the Z Movie Manga (which this and the movie IS canon to the DBS Manga) has Goku using Saiyan Beyond God aswell as Dende outright saying Base Goku has god level energy which debunks your argument entirely.

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@SonZackSSJ9k You couldve just only said the last sentence or two. The rest is fluff

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@parabol.d.teech69 I’m just saying

[@coolbeans3752]

Just wish Cabba was more muscular. Everyone has string arms.

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

He’s for the anorexic Kings lmao

[@xeratovildan9871]

"Stand proud Gogeta, you were strong.. but your fursuit is too weak for me, no matter how hard your fans crank it to ssj4 yiff!" - Base Cabba

[@VessIsWired.]

The amount of gt fans genuinely tweaking over this meme need to chill

[@luh_marc3202]

Exactly GT fans be wanking omega shenron feat that was gonna destroy the universe over time

[@humanman9920]

The mental gymnastics done here is insane , only ones tweaking are the dbs fans with " unironically true " 😂 Leave it to the dbs fans to spread crazy levels of brainrot then gaslight others for their own bs

[@VessIsWired.]

@@humanman9920 it is merely a meme. And you lot are falling for the bait. A meme should not have you acting like this😭

[@user-kc5pc1iq7k]

@@humanman9920your just proving his point lol

[@jamex3635]

didnt the "goku has the power of ssjg in its base" thing was thrown away bc it would be hard for the reader to know when goku is in its base form and when its using the power of ssjg in its base form? also that freezer using his golden form against cabba doesnt rlly hint towards rlly needing it but more of just showing off and humiliating him since he was dominating him before that and after he eliminated him he just says what a waste of stamina or something similar

[@immortalthumbz]

Terrible scaling no matter how u try to scale it GT is after z and super is before the end of z

[@Toddles]

gt doesn’t have any feats bro

[@blue-ki5ip]

@@Toddles >movie feats >shattered an entire dimension with one attack in base >shaking other world and hell in base >casually kicked an attack made up of the energy that was destroying the universe >entire series starts 8 years after the end of z which took place nearly 5-10 years after the start of super

[@thekingofbel6511]

@@Toddlesevery major antagonist in gt is stronger than hirudegarn, just hirudegarns halves are able to destroy the entire Macrocosm. That’s before he is complete and make his halves “look like nothing” in comparison. And that’s before it evolved again just to be one shot by ssj3 goku. So in ssj3 goku could do the exact same thing as was done in battle of gods. And on top of that. Battle of gods is a dragon ball Z movie, so Gt still scales to it anyways.

[@ihopespaceisedible330]

I hate seeing this stupid counter argument because anyone who used their brains would realize they just aren’t connected for FS. Like do you think a goku or vegeta mui and ultra ego would resort to ssj2 and 3 as their max before ssj 4?🤦🏾‍♂️ gt was written and made before super so at the best it’s an alternate timeline where beerus just never showed up that’s literally the only way to explain it

[@thekingofbel6511]

@@ihopespaceisedible330 technically anyone with brains would say exactly that. Gt is an official sequel to end of Z and super takes place before then. Buu saga goku vs vegeta kinda negs this. Goku resorted to ssj2 as a max despite having ssj3 up his sleeve. Goku even did this vs kid buu, if he fusion danced with vegeta they would’ve killed kid buu with no effort. Just because they don’t use something doesn’t mean they don’t or can’t use it. The Goku black arc debunks this. Goku black while looking for a universe with no beerus, goes for a universe that just had their old Kai die. Which implies that if old Kai exists so does beerus, in any timeline. Otherwise Goku black would’ve went to gt’s timeline since it would’ve had no beerus to begin with with your logic. So your “only way to explain it” isn’t even canonically possible. Also gt being written and made before super doesn’t prove anything, have you never heard of prequels?

[@youngdrea7560]

Feeling like ssj1 bardock would Beat omni man. Not sure.

[@Uncle_Piccolo]

the Cabba propaganda

[@Cartoonssolosyourfavoriteverse]

Let’s get Eren Yeager defeating Saiyan Saga Vegeta Next!!!

[@nosauceorbrothchild8772]

GT Gogeta easily. Edit: Absolute horrendous scaling of GT.

[@gentlepeeps3351]

people forget cabba is the strongest sayian soldier from u6 and has been kind hearted from birth combined with u6 being much higher in the mortal levels when compared to u7 explains why he was so strong his enviroment and universe were just better for power. also i dont think ssj2 califla was equal to goku since he was defnitley holding back as well as being fatigued

[@chavezxd8]

Cabba is not as strong as a ssj god thats super dumb. In the U6 tournament arc its obvious that the idea of goku base being as strong as a ssj god was retcon because the idea of that was only used for the friezas resurrection arc wich was the only time goku actually used the power of ssj god in his base form. Toriyama wanted to discard the normal yellow ssj transformation but in the end he changed his mind. This is even more obvius when in the tournament of power in the anime and in thw same universe 6 tournament in the manga goku uses the ssj god as a separate transformation. So ssj2 cabba sure is strong probably stronger than vegetto from dragonball z or maybe a little weaker but he is absolutely not stronger than ssj4 gogeta thats just stupid and any power scaler that backs that idea is the cancer of the community

[@xeratovildan9871]

Ah yes, the "i can't handle the truth/don't like the truth so my fanon is the actual scaling" argument, truly one of the greatest all time that you never see from anyone who isn't slurping ssj4 cock.

[@supesisfodder7427]

Moron

[@HavokUnbound]

This is probably the best and most accurate cabba vs ssj4 gogeta video... When these losers start to combine the movies into canon is when u lose me. Good job

[@enderbroski5204]

The movies are shown and stated to be canon to the Z anime and GT timeline multiple times

[@marcierex4547]

Ngl the downplay of GT in this video is wild😭 you could quite literally get Z Buuhan 2x stronger then ssjg goku in battle of gods since dragon ball Z is canon to GT and Z Kai is cannon to super in which both actually have different scaling

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@marcierex4547 He didnt even scale GT in this video lol. He just brought up an Omega "anti-feat" (not at all an anti-feat) then says "oh ig if you actually scale GT sure Gogeta wins" so idek

[@ashanime5655]

You can't get buuhan that high at all

[@Tylearned]

I said he just barely beats base cabba 😭 which is true. Upscaling Gogeta from the previous scaling is very redundant when hes only just barely reaching several times above ssj4 Goku who omegas like 10x stronger than. If you wanna say because there’s more to show for Gogeta then sure? That’s true? But Cabbas scaling is still far better

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@Tylearned didnt you scale Cabba using previous scaling? Chain scaling is in no way "redundant". Unless Im confused, in which case, please help me understand

[@ashanime5655]

@@parabol.d.teech69 consistency. If gogeta is really that strong using chain scaling omega shouldn't be that weak

[@chefoli2130]

Nope. Gonna keep pushing the Gogeta agenda. Thanks tho

[@ItsB1998]

I already know what you're going to say before even watching the video. No Cabba does not scale to Base Vegeta. When Vegeta said that Cabba was equal to him, he was just referring to the suppressed level of power he was using at the time. The later portion of the fight when he casually negates and tanks SSJ Cabba's attacks prove that he was massively holding back. And you can't say it's because Vegeta had a stronger Super Saiyan, because he was initially getting pushed back and seemingly hurt before he decided to stop playing. Vegeta was just using a suppressed base until the latter portion of the fight. Caulifla's performance against opponents like Napapa also prove Cabba is nowhere near Battle of Gods levels of strength, as she had to put in a lot of power and effort to overpower him. Napapa was shown to struggle against Basil's attacks, and Basil as shown to be an ant compared to Fat Buu in the Zen Exhibition matches. Cabba is stated to be below Caulifla before she got stronger in the tournament, meaning Base Cabba is within the Buu Saga tiers of power at best. Gogeta dog walks him without any effort at all.

[@HavokUnbound]

W gaslight

[@dull1831]

You would have to prove Vegeta was suppressed to begin with in base form

[@ItsB1998]

@@dull1831 SSJ Vegeta initially struggling with Cabba before smiling and tanking everything, and the aforementioned Buu saga Caulifla scaling already does that.

[@LuisFernan-zr9pg]

It might seen crazy what I'm bout to say.

[@HavokUnbound]

@@ItsB1998 when there are multiple times in the anime and manga vegeta saying their equal in base and you people still choose to do mental gymnastics to make gt seem more powerful than it really is is the definition of cope smh

[@labibmanzar8559]

" PLEASE CABBA I NEED THISSSSS "

[@Bio0012]

I disagree that ss4 gogeta barely beats cabba because you stated that omega shenron needs to passively destroy all of universe 7 which is just omega shenron existing and not attacking when omega shenron should be vastly stronger than battle of gods goku and beeru's clashes.

[@Tylearned]

Why would it be stronger if he has a worse feat

[@xeratovildan9871]

​@Tylearned because our friend bio here is cranking it to ssj4 gogeta yiff and can't find any ssj4 cabba yiff, clearly of the furry fanbase doesn't recognize Cabba, he's weaker.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@Tylearned how is it a worst feat when it caused more damage to the universe than goku & beerus clashing? They only resulted in destroying 1 distant star and 1 distant planet that was shown, omega was rotting entire stars and planets in just a couple minutes. It was also going beyond the bounds cause the Kai said it would reach them and every other realm

[@jahmoymignott4081]

@@SosukeTYBW Super Glazers are brain rot they will always find away to Hate on Gt

[@Jsipki265]

@@SosukeTYBW Cause the outcome if they kept clashing fists like that would’ve instantly destroyed universe 7. Omega Shenron would’ve needed a unqualified amount of time to do that same feat.

[@Dave2kool4skool]

If Future Trunks had difficulty fighting Dabura yet got strong enough in a short time to go toe to toe with SSJ2 Goku with God Ki then GT Goku who did nothing but train for 10 years since Z has to at least be much stronger than Trunks which would allow him to keep up with Super characters

[@Coldskin1]

Gt dont scale to super😑

[@saadsami8860]

Gogeta ironically negs

[@collinleivas9605]

Tylearned, if you see this i have a question. At 2:54 you show an image from the promo manga for the DBZ Resurrection F movie (Edit: Base Goku with SSG silhouette behind him). Why would you say this is valid for manga scaling? Or i guess, why would that be considered "canon" to the DBS Manga? Great video though, definitely enjoyed the short breakdown.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

Yes it is canon to the manga, this manga is literally for the movie which is showing the movie is indeed canon to the DBS Manga and is the closest thing we have to the RoF Arc in the DBS Manga.

[@collinleivas9605]

@@SonZackSSJ9k But my question is why would DBZ Resurrection F and its promo manga be canon to the DBS Manga.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@collinleivas9605 Because it was said by Toyotaro you should watch the movie before reading the U7 Saga in the Manga, showing its canonicity to the manga.

[@Naru_kek]

This joke is getting tiring... Quick explanation with funny powerscaling words: U6 Cabba scales to U6 Vegeta, Vegeta scales to BoG Goku which is Low Multiversal (destroying universe 7 with their punches). Let's say he's slightly above Low Multiversal with the multipliers and transformations. For GT, Omega is casually said to be able to destroy the universe (Low Multiversal) several times, and Gogeta just plays with Omega and oneshots his strongest attack, until he defuses because he used too much energy. Hell, even a guidebook says Gogeta is dozens of times above Omega. Basically, we have around Low Multiversal (Cabba) VS casually dozens of times above Low Multiversal (Gogeta). Without the "haha funny powerscaling words 🤓☝️", Gogeta is just way more skilled and fast than Cabba anyways.

[@parabol.d.teech69]

@@Naru_kek maybe his video is a troll this time? Maybe he's just contributing to the joke?

[@ahmedriyad4264]

This comment doesn't account goku getting stronger even during the beerus and rof and 3 years in htc

[@ahmedriyad4264]

Also a thing about omega That was a overtime thing with his negative energy corrupting and destroying the macrocosm Also there are far better arguments for gt than this(base cabba still slams even with those)

[@Tylearned]

Yes… he beats U6 Cabba, now get bro passed ssj2 😭

[@ahmedriyad4264]

@@Tylearned this scale doesn't really prove ssj4 gogeta>base cabba Since he didn't account goku getting much stronger during and post bog and the omega shenron feat being overtime not instant

[@Generalmituna8079]

SSJ4 Gogeta: "SAVE ME PAN-CHAN!!!"

[@maku3857]

Tylearned woke up and decided to take a L didn't even acknowledge that z for gt and super completely different continuities or even address the multiple feats over all of gt , not to mention the downplay of the minus energy ball or even how much of a gap he and gogeta have

[@PensiveAnalysis]

The minus energy ball was going to destroy the living realm “ over time “ lmfao. Not a crazy feat.

[@ironjaeger7758]

@@PensiveAnalysis him just existing was going to destroy the entire universe over time. the minus energy ball was going to speed that up to now

[@maku3857]

​@@PensiveAnalysis that's just a lie the entire point is it's so devastating that the kaioshin think they need to leave and abandon the universe not just the living world but the whole macrocosm , in they never react like that to anything else even stuff that will literally result in the end of the universe in z

[@PensiveAnalysis]

@@ironjaeger7758 no. Lmfao. If just his existence was the issue then there was no reason for Gogeta to not immediately get serious and end him. The - energy ball (just omega’s energy) CANT be “ speeding it up to now “ bc if that was the case, the living world would’ve immediately started to be annihilated, which it very clearly wasn’t.

[@PensiveAnalysis]

@@maku3857 “ that’s just a lie “ As you proceed to blatantly lie through your teeth. Lmfao. Read my above reply to the other person for explanation as to why you’re wrong.

[@omariwashington2570]

So first of all, super uses Dragon Ball Z Kai because it's very evident that the filler in the original Dragon Ball Z anime is not canon to Super, GT could only use the original Dragon Ball Z anime which automatically upscales it at the beginning because Kid Buu was the universal already in the original Z anime, GT Goku at the end of the series is millions to trillions of times stronger then any character in Dragon Ball Z, first let's go to end of Z end of Z Goku is 400 times stronger than he was at least when he fought Kid Buu at the end of the Buu saga, then a 5-year time step from Z to GT happened where he is training with somebody who is relative in power with him, why don't people realize that Omega Shenron simply didn't want to destroy the universe in one hit, I mean where would he be? He just didn't want any life in the universe you don't want to destroy the universe that's why he was saying things like "I will lay waste to it" by the first Arc of GT Goku is already fighting people who are hundreds of times stronger then Kid Buu, buy the baby saga he's able to fight Goten and Gohan, a Gohan who never stopped training, in base at the same time it's been 15 years since the Kid Buu saga in Gohan has been training for that whole 15 years, and he was in Super Saiyan while Goku was in base, what really puts GT on a level if not higher than super, is baby himself, babies ability to absorb people's power and then take it with him into other people's bodies makes the difference in power from the beginning of the Arc to the end of the Arc astronomical, literally like millions of times, stop with the fake scaling, Cabba gets tossed by GT Goku.

[@BoomBoxBlaz]

The only things Kid Buu was destroying were galaxies overtime, he would have destriyed the World of the Kais over time. No character in Z or the anime was universal. There was a HAX feat from Buuhan that was going to rip a hole in space-time, but as stated, that was through hax, it wasn't ki.

[@omariwashington2570]

@BoomBoxBlaz it was literally stated in the Z anime that he would make the universe "go poof" what does that sound like you?

[@maddencoleman765]

I think you really downplayed Gogeta in this video ngl. Like don’t get me wrong, Cabba’s strong as shit in the wider DB universe, but he’s not beating someone who can purify a technique that can destroy the literal universe.

[@UniVS427]

If we go off power scaling alone starting with EoZ Goku, SSJ4 Gogeta beats everyone in Super up until SSJ Rose Black

[@Jsipki265]

Destroy the universe over time compared to the guy that fights characters who can do that instantly.

[@UniVS427]

@@Jsipki265 destroy the universe by existing.

[@Jsipki265]

@@UniVS427 You mean the negative energy that he produced? Also weird how he himself said it would take time instead of him proclaiming to destroy in a single blast.

[@UniVS427]

@@Jsipki265 the negative energy would spread throughout the universe including the different realms including the kaioshin world with him just standing there. We simply don’t know what would happen if that energy would clash with someone on equal levels as him or stronger while Goku and Beerus clashed…which to me is why the SSJG Goku vs Omega Shenron debate off just statements alone is pointless.

[@the_marvelous_one]

Why did this debate randomly blow up

[@buildzOfficial]

Its obvious you have a bias over GT learn how to powerscale before spewing nonsense

[@xeratovildan9871]

Figures the guy with the batman pfp is mad his fursuit wearing reject got slammed

[@buildzOfficial]

@@xeratovildan9871 how ironic goes straight to insults when you know I'm right 😂

[@BigReuben97]

Cabba isn't even beating GT Pan bro 😂💀

[@Coldskin1]

​@@BigReuben97still waiting for them to destroy a single planet in gt 😖

[@onyx6774]

Cabba: Stand proud, you are strong

[@lazerbreaker4758]

Let me ask did cabba surpass arale? Because end of z Goku did and gt gogeta outclass EoZ goku

[@Generalmituna8079]

Goku can't surpass Arale because she's literally a gag character lol

[@lazerbreaker4758]

@@Generalmituna8079 but he did surpass her a being a gag wont help her win here against someone much stronger the her

[@Generalmituna8079]

@@lazerbreaker4758 Being a gag means she doesn't have to follow by the rules of Dragon Ball, she can comfortably beat Goku by doing some crazy toon force hax.

[@xigabrelless1980]

​@@Generalmituna8079it literally stated end of z Goku was to be stronger than everyone else ever shown before including arale

[@chee-o-tee]

I'm going to get this out there, keep in mind that I know 2× the power strands for domination and I will use that depending on the characters performance

[@AbidurRahman2212]

Ok I'm gonna say this Goku at the beginning of Super said Vegito can't beat Bearus then after turning god he said he never imagined such power so ssg>Vegito so at best highball 400× Buu Then got as strong as that in base Goku and Vegeta is Equal and Cabba kept up with Vegeta post rof so His at best 400× Buu at base he then had ss2 I think so 40,000 Buu there no proof he got any stronger in ToP since he didn't fight any character we can scale off so his Peak is 40,000× Buu as for Gogeta well First gt kid base Goku at the start off GT destroyed a character much stronger then Buu so base kid Goku is Buu level then in Baby saga he got trashed by ss1 baby Vegeta then baby Vegeta turn ss3 and even Goku said he never felt such amazing ki anyways so ss1=50× ss2= 2×ss1 or 100 ss3= 4×ss2 or 400 so Baby no diff ss3 Goku meaning he can no diff 400 buus then he went ss3 so he 4×2=8×400= 3,200 times buu then Goku becomes Golden Oozaru and becomes Baby's equal so he went from getting no diff by 8× weaker baby to equal to 8× stronger Baby then he goes SS4 and absolutely destroys baby then Baby turns golden oozaru and gets equal meaning ss4 multiple from golden oozaru=Golden oozaru multipler from ss3 so in conclusion SS4 gt kid Goku Baby saga is strong enough to No diff a person that can No diff over 25,600 buus so yeah anything in gt past baby can easily beat Cabba

[@ahmedriyad4264]

Congratulations my friend You have successfully completely downplayed both super and gt

[@xeratovildan9871]

Luffy pfp checks out, brody ain't smart.

[@chefoli2130]

​@@ahmedriyad4264 He made it clear these are lowballs

[@ahmedriyad4264]

@@chefoli2130 there is a very clear difference between low ball and downplay This ignores a very significant amount of things

[@ahmedriyad4264]

@@xeratovildan9871 also he made it clear he was downplaying super by saying the super scale is a highball

[@JoJo_Joestah]

Gogeta shits his pants when Cabba flexes his Ki

[@Darkatanyan]

Joy boy vs rocks d xcebec

[@sceonaiddover6585]

How would that even work

[@Darkatanyan]

@@sceonaiddover6585 idk but I’m curious

[@sceonaiddover6585]

@@Darkatanyan dog we haven’t even seen there faces yet how’s bro even supposed to try and do a vid on that lol

[@Darkatanyan]

@@sceonaiddover6585 idk but I still want to see who’s stronger

[@sceonaiddover6585]

@@Darkatanyan a god or a pretty much pirate king take a guess

[@Kingshit69]

To me the U6 Saiyans being so strong made sense to me. The U7 Saiyans had so many factors holding them back. Mainly a cast system that ingrained the mindset that getting stronger was impossible. While in U6 they train together and are the military force of their whole universe

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Coughing bomb vs hydrogen baby

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd cabba the baby

[@Neo-925]

So everyone ignoring Cooler being canon to gt meaning the movies are canon and therfore goku is inaccessible speed cause of the metal cooler movie so he would just blitz Cabba and literally never be touched.....don't argue with Dragon Ball fans man, they can't even power scale their own show

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

Goku’s inaccessable speed feat is only possible through the Instant Transmission technique. He can’t go that fast outside of that technique. He hasn’t shown any inaccessible speed feats without IT.

[@Neo-925]

@Mapple-qp6yg he and metal cooler are able to move in the middle of instant transmission, so no he is inaccessible speed in the movies and therefore in gt

[@cross2964]

Final Form Cooler shows up, that is proof the first Cooler movie happened. Where is the proof for Meta-Cooler?

[@Neo-925]

@@cross2964 it just means that movies are canon because it's just implied that gt is based on the toei canon, so basically anime and movies

[@xeratovildan9871]

​@@Neo-925in the buu saga anime pikkon and goku showcase an inaccessible/infinite speed feat, this feat happens in Kai, Kai is Canon to Super, BoG God goku massively upscales off of that feat, BoG God goku's energy traveled infinite distances by threatening to destroy the entire macrocosm, congrats, Cabba has inaccessible/infinite speed feats.

[@SpiffyYuh]

I have 0 clue how you get to this in scaling, it is WILD. but yea cabba gets blinked

[@KermitTFYT]

Super nice unsub.

[@peterparker1683]

If I had a nickel for every time I see “Isn’t fair” in a power scaling video title….

[@Tylearned]

I started it with isn’t close so why not innovate

[@SosukeTYBW]

Im going to debunk this god ki base form shit right now. Firdt off, the absorbing god ki in base form is literally just a thing thst happened in the movie, it got retconned in the anime version of battle of gods so NO, goku nor vegeta are just walking around with god ki in their base forms. Second thing, in res F, goku literally debunked this god ki base form stuff vs frieza by literally explaining what super saiyan blue is, stating that it's the super saiyan mixed with god ki. Third thing, goku and vegeta can go red hair god form still, this is literally the only time they utilize god ki without also going super saiyan so if they already have god ki in base form then go red hair for, are they now super saiyan god super saiyan and then blue would be super saiyan god super saiyan god super saiyan, anyone think that make sense? So basically no, goku base form is not alwayd walking around with god ki when he still uses red which is the first god ki form, THATS when they actively use god ki or else it'll be turned off. Additional info, god ki can't be sensed by god ki user, so how can the others sense goku and vegeta ki until they use red or blue? If their base forms just always have god ki then their ki can never be sensed by any non god ki users.

[@Tylearned]

The god ki converted to normal power, which is why he’s able to beat Beerus in ssj 😭. Beerus couldn’t tell that the god power went away because in reality it never did, goku became one with it. We’re not saying it’s specifically god ki and then he can use ssj on top of it, he just absorbed that forms power into his base. That’s why he can use ssj and blue yet still have an absurd base form

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@Tylearned where the hell does it say they converted the initial god ki into regular ki? All beerus said was goku body got used to the level of power he was at while using god ki which us why goku didn't have a dip in combat ability when he lost it. That is not the as you literally saying they converted the god ki into their normal ki, you just made that up.

[@solehinaznan7026]

fr man ​@@SosukeTYBW

[@gogetathegod5066]

Also wasn’t goku able to stop a sphere of destruction in BASE? how was he able to do that WITHOUT absorbing the God Ki my boy

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@gogetathegod5066 not what I asked, tylearned just gave them an ability that was never mentioned or confirmed, converting 1 form of energy to another form of energy is an ability, where was it ever stated goku or vegeta converted god ki into their regular ki?

[@RetroMagnus761]

You should do "what if Sonic and Mario swapped universes" where you individually power scale both characters and their verses and see if either of them can fulfill the roles of taking on the other's rouges gallery. You could also do this with Kratos and Asura, Batman and Spiderman, Spiderman and Invincible, Invincible and Steven Universe, ect.

[@gamerz6103]

7:03 First yeah hes right, and super's level isn't even close to impressive as gt's. Second you didnt even scale gt which only shows your poorly put together points of "ah yes hes stronger than Z characters so he must be broken". One thing Toriyama said is he believes everything is canon to an extent of being in an alternate timeline. Speaking pf timeline are we gonna forget that uub is in end of z, but only talked about and shown once in the manga, meaning the end of Z takes place AFTER super and before GT. But guess what, a funny thing is the gt timeline is the timeline where the Z movies are canon, INCLUDING BOG, and we all know how op Z movie goku is so his ssjg could have been strong enough to satisfy beerus, to where he just doesn't bother training him because there would be no need he already fought his rival and probably still won. Which would make sense since its dbz battle of gods not dbs battle lf gods, then end of Z would happen Then GT. Not to mention how ssj4 is equal to ssjb in strength. So take into the fact that goku then basically does an incomplete god ritual to get a new stronger form of ssj4 (ssj4 full power). Plus having him fuse with another equal to blue ssj4 Vegeta to make a gogeta that's already basically just blue on crack. PLUS notice how goku still keeps ssj4 full power while fusing meaning he still has the energy of trunks, gohan, goten, and pan, so adding in Vegeta's energy into the fusion unintentionally doing the god ritual again, gogeta would basically be a ssjg4. Which would explain the alteration coloring he has compared to ssj4 Goku and Vegeta. So now we have a gogeta that form wise is a ssjb on crack PLUS another ssjg multiplier on top of that, PLUS the fusion multiplier on that. Even without the ssjg theory I threw on there thats still a ssj4 gogeta that is beyond a ssjb gogeta and extremely cracked up on power thanks to Goku's ssj4 full power in the mix kf the fusion. Cabba couldn't even take a Base GT Goku considering this is the same goku that shook the while afterlife just by going super saiyan 3. Like when you actually do your research on both sides of the debate it just becomes common knowledge 💀

[@aparnabag5128]

But there's no proof of bog being cannon to gt Like I know cabba isn't even universal he is only like multi galaxy level hut still

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Wait, Cabba can beat a Fusion?

[@smileyotr8051]

freeza "needed" to go golden to beat cabba? hmm news to me🤷‍♂.

[@xeratovildan9871]

He shows it directly on screen if you'd watch the video, nice job liking your own comment tho Lil bro

[@SosukeTYBW]

@xeratovildan9871 he didn't need to do it, he just did it to flex on cabba but just transforming doesn't mean ssj2 cabba is stronger than base frieza, yall just dumb and don't understand what you watching

[@cuiveirwin]

Destroying the Macrocosm in one shot over time is destroying the Macrocosm in one shot. I thought we have moved past misinterpreting Yi Xing Long’s feat. Also idk why we’re using Manga panels when no one in the DBS Manga up until *maybe* a full power Beerus & Champa can destroy the Dragon Ball Macrocosm in one attack.

[@FMBeelz]

Cabba has been disrespected for too long😭🙏🏿

[@Immense-iz7do]

On the god Goku punch clash feat, elder kai did state that the shock waves were being amplified significantly as they moved from the epicenter of the clash, While Omega was going to passively destroy the universe 7 macrocosm with negative energy, saying that this doesn't apply because he's absorbing it overtime i don't agree with because its still his energy alone that is destroying the universe which should be well within his power as characters like buuhan threaten to destroy the barriers holding back the living world, after life, and realm of the kai's. Which are all considered universal sized structures and base goku at the start of gt was stated to have surpassed buu entirely as he was able to beat general rildo who goku stated to be stronger than majin buu. So i think its entirely reasonable to believe that omega could threaten to wipe universe 7 casually. But if u dont want to give omega that feat he would at least up scale from buuhan and vegito in z. I would say omegas feat of passively destroying the universe 7 better than the punch clash since it was primarily the amped shockwaves that were gonna destroy the universe.

[@Scorpios-to3zj]

I really don't understand people who really think that Cabba is stronger than SS4 Gogeta. And if anything, SS4 Goku is on par with Goku in bof.

[@ponchosavage5207]

Well for a simple explanation god goku is equal to or slightly stronger than super Vegito by the time cabba shows up they have blue already and their base is as strong as god was when they met beerus this is only cabba introduction btw by the end of the tournament of power cabba is hundreds of times stronger than god goku in bog easily in base btw

[@Scorpios-to3zj]

@@ponchosavage5207 I don't think Vegeta fought at all during the fight with Cabba, even Beerus said this if I remember correctly. Frieza in the base played with Cabba without any special effort (and Cabba should have had a boost in strength due to SS4). And considering that the Full Power of SS4 is equal to Golden Frieza/early SSBSS, and also due to the experience of Goku and Vegeta, Cabba's chances are reduced even lower.

[@supesisfodder7427]

@@Scorpios-to3zjmoron

[@Scorpios-to3zj]

@@supesisfodder7427 I'm wondering how you got to such processes in your head?

[@Scorpios-to3zj]

@@supesisfodder7427 If you called me that because I actually dispelled the disinformation, then that's your problem.

[@nioc2971]

the base-god thing had to be retconed because it makes no sense that both of them still use the red haired transformation because if they absorbed that power that form should have dissapeared but it didnt so either the scaling got on hard crack that the grand priest would not be able to defeat goku or that was retconed

[@supesisfodder7427]

No just no

[@nioc2971]

@@supesisfodder7427 what a compelling argument i can do nothin but accept defeat to your writting prowess

[@ahmedriyad4264]

​@@nioc2971you are misinterpreting what happened like alot of people They didn't absorb the form what actually happened was goku's power just grew to match that level it's even made clear with beerus since he would've sensed God ki if the form was absorbed but it wasn't and he wouldn't call the power goku got his own if it's just ssjg absorbing into base

[@nioc2971]

@@ahmedriyad4264 in the movie is directly stated that goku had the god power in him his power just growing so exponentially large just because, makes no sense And just by scalling it makes no sense that cabba is god level just because he needs to be a challenge for the heros, the god form was able to fight against beerus regardless of how supressed he was because thats just a whole other scaling issue so Cabba being just that strong in base is ilogical in any way you can see it

[@ahmedriyad4264]

@@nioc2971my guy Moro arc krillin can one shot goku black logic don't exist And that kind of growth isn't unnatural since the z anime kind off implies goku>vegito by the time he fights kid buu also goku got a vegito level Amp before the God ritual(yes the false God one is a better Amp the pre God forms vegito) Also it is explained how goku got that strong he adapted to the level of ssjg during the fight which is also consistent with db's logic since saiyans adapt to high power levels,s quickly and the reason he adapted to God during bog is that ssjg during that wasn't his own power it was excess power given by others which is why his body adapted to that level

[@brolyakatsuki2617]

Yooooooooooooo I love these vs fights you do that’s from different animes and I was thinking you should do Blackbeard Vs Naruto and see how close the fight is or if it ain’t fair

[@SlickSaiyan-ou2zc]

On a serious note, people don't realize that this is infact a no diff, for Gogeta that is. The joke is funny sometimes, but being real, GT is far stronger than Super could dream to be, realistically. 1. GT takes place 10 years after the final chapter(519) or for anime fans, End of Z That alone puts most characters at a much higher level than Super, Infact, Super is just adding on to how strong they already are. 2. GT has a feat that matches God Goku's macrocosm ending feat, with Omega Shenron's mere existence threatening the entire Dragon Ball Universe Remind you, Gogeta could've wiped him out with a singular finger if he really wanted to. That along with the other feats and statements from the Z guide books and Z anime, then acknowledging that GT takes place after Super. The truth is, GT stomps Super realistically Now of course, Super has more feats and things to go off from due to being more modern and expansive but it doesn't change the fact that GT is on a whole other level of power considering the facts about the series.

[@crusiver8453]

Very fun video boss.... Ahem... But now lets see Base Caulifla vs Vegito >:)

[@OJBA]

Holy crap this is the 10th video someone’s made on this topic, how’d this even start?😭🙏🏾

[@DustGundam]

The Super fans doing their constant shitting on GT

[@josephodonnell9865]

Super cope is constant

[@Kameかめ-e]

I dont understand why people started comparing a form, non canon mind you. That made two decades ago. To a canon char in super.

[@Zsuper.mp4]

Well guys you heard it from a top tier power scaler cabba solos

[@1337wafflezz]

You misrepresented Shenron. He destroys the macrochosm by simply *existing*. He’s universal by his mere presence. If he wanted to he could easily rip the heavens apart and destroy space and time like Buuhan was doing….only to a scale of millions if not billions of times greater.

[@bluedeath657]

This is really why I hate the scaling in super like what happens when cabba and the others get god and absorb it to base no one can stop them

[@justa-fl6se]

Liar. GT goku is movie goku, who has traveled the WHOLE afterlife in a few seconds, in BASE. (Not to mention, Cooler is also faster than instant transmission, which is INSTANT.) good vid tho

[@IBeNerdy76]

Didn't dragon ball super heroes have it so that SSB is equal to SSJ4? Or did I remember that wrong?

[@Ihatepual295]

Gogeta negs

[@zeeke.tv_4842]

Cabba better be able to no diff Gogeta in Sparling Zero

[@TheChicken-nt2rs]

If we include The full context which is the filler arcs. SS4 Gogeta is on par with vegito blue from the goku black arc.

[@kilo-303]

Vegeta vs cabba ok just a moment where Vegeta is a good mentor I rock with that

[@TCBlueFire]

There was a lot of bias when you did the GT segment. Because GT is a continuation of the Z anime and movies that scale higher than the main continuity. And with omega shenron, he was destroying the macrocasm by existing and even kabito kai wanted to leave admittedly which elder kai state it was too late. And Omega shenron could because gogeta had to convert his energy to positive energy so it doesn't spread

[@nk_worldz6667]

SSJ4 Gogeta massively out scales the Universe 6 fighters and most of Super