GOLD BUYING has officially arrived on WoW Classic Hardcore

[@TheAngriestReptileAlive]

Imagine spending hundreds of dollars on Gold just for your character to die to an elevator

[@Touristomar]

happens irl too

[@Jutastre]

is what it is

[@VS666]

Next character name: Iswhatitis hahaha

[@gowahs]

What's the song for the outro? Loved the video btw

[@lurker_yt]

Thunder bluff! I think it's called thunder bluff walking or something.

[@gowahs]

Thank you!!@@lurker_yt

I have a question, what UI addon/addons are you using?

[@lurker_yt]

I had my UI hidden the whole video 😅

[@madebysimppe]

I love the clip at 9.min30s where hero shaman one shots all bosses, nice b-roll

[@lurker_yt]

Appreciate the call out. That might have taken longer to put together than the whole rest of the video 😭😭

[@blackestmamba]

Unfortunately this is just how the game was, is and always will be, especially on classic environment. Luckily, due to the permadeath nature I don't think the economy will ever reach the normal Era servers levels of insanity of the AH prices but yeah, sadly, RMT is just a reality that we need to accept for as long as blizzard "allows" it. The only positive of this all is that hardcore is more about the challenge of reaching 60, not so much about end game (in my opinion), so if other people just decide to buy their gear it's honestly insignificant to one's own enjoyment of the challenge.

[@Taegreth]

5:00 Just because items on the AH are listed for a certain price, doesn't mean people are paying it. People post below average greens for 80g, doesn't mean anyone's buying it.

[@zrakcin]

It officially arrived before the servers even launched. Account sellers, gold sellers, and boosters were all posting their advertisements on major websites/forums weeks before the servers even opened

[@jonahsfat9196]

has anyone take into consideration why blizzard does nothing against selling gold??? because they own most of the gold selling companies, thats why

[@KzKiller15]

Disable trades and only allow mail to be sent to characters on the same account. Will be more of a fix than adding tokens to the game

[@Thursdayetitis]

or just follow the actual HC rules that the community put a lot of time and thought into developing to prevent the possibility of cheating. No mail, no trades, no grouping unless you start the game that way. If a member of your starting party dies, the party deletes. That is HC.

[@seanbuckland980]

@@Thursdayetitisthat’s not hc, that’s just autistic cringe

[@gazzam3172]

fek that, sounds like torture@@Thursdayetitis

[@skerpi4068]

i had 3 char, 2 waarr till 35(they died) and 1 rogue to 60. I didnt even farm that much and i have over 1000g. When i started lvling my alt, i bought all the stuff that was needed for smoother lvling. i prolly spent 50g before lvl 20. And i never bough gold, so if you see someone decked out...Its not always gold buying

[@lurker_yt]

I don't doubt there are some many many legit ppl out there. In fact in the vid I guessed RMT wouldn't be that pervasive, but there will be some!

[@mattjustofficial]

I remember back around 2005 ish I won a Quel' Saraar tomb drop from Dire Maul east, sold it for 600g to an ambitious tank I was so excited I never had that much at once, genuine excitement!!

[@zdubzz1280]

The answer is obviously the wow token to combat gold hitting! /s It is just sad how we had something so pure in SSF and blizzard just decided they had to get involved and now it’s become so tainted. I’m still having fun but damn I don’t like it.

[@foxmulder7436]

wdym blizzard ? Gold sellers are and will still be insanely populr on any classic version and theres nothing blizzard can do about that

[@zdubzz1280]

@@foxmulder7436 solo self found removes any RMT from the game.

[@burgersbeansandchips]

You are dreaming if you thought SSF would stop bots, there'd be bots leveling to sell level 60 accounts and there'd be plenty of buyers dumb enough to spend money on them to flex

[@WayneKerr2222]

8:18 no you don't, that gold sits safely in the bank alts everyone is using because they're afraid of loss in the game mode with loss as a main theme. it's not going anywhere if they die.

[@lurker_yt]

Since learned this 👍 makes the bank alt griefing funny tho

[@bobbylong5664]

As a first time classic player, it does suck that the auction house gets corrupt from gold buying. But overall ive met some nice people in hardcore and normal classic realms. Tbh i forget theres even an auction house. Theres really no need for one in my opinion. Everyone seems to help one another, and atleast on my realm in major cities people just sell stuff in general chat. I love the interaction of meeting up with someone to buy or craft with. Makes the world feel more alive. I just ignore bots and gold buying shit best I can lol

[@lurker_yt]

It must be a trip to be coming to classic for the first time in the past few years. I sometimes forget there are still newcomers. Welcome! I'm glad you're mostly encountering the more wholesome side. I'm seeing a lot of that too :) Thanks for watching + the comment man!

[@gamingpulsenews-g2l]

Excess gold stays into circulation thanks to bank alts! My 60 died couple of days back and my new char looks exactly like this guy in your video without spending a single buck irl!

[@lurker_yt]

Hope you don't get bank alt griefed 🙏🙏

[@alexruel4793]

If that lock was alliance side his current gear would also cost another…. Uhh 150-200g . Maybe chose horde for boe prices 😂

[@Namn-2028]

My main thing with my bank alt, is i made him a tailor, He has 6 slot and 8 slot bags for new toons i make or recreate. Helps to have your toons send excess cloth to the bank alt.

[@tothegrave]

well edited nice job

[@jani14jani]

Amexswiper sounds like a scripted character from a Azamous video.

[@sinzin5773]

Why would they concerned about deleting the items they are buying when they can transfer to Classic Era realms when the chars die and oh now they have all those items they swiped and got them much cheaper than on classic era. Win win

[@lurker_yt]

I didn't look at AH prices on Era but I wouldn't have expected them to be lower than Hardcore. Did you see differently?

[@sinzin5773]

@@lurker_yt to be honest I hadn’t looked but with how long gold buying has effected era I just sort’ve assumed that due to super inflation that has been there so long items would be cheaper on hardcore because super inflation hasn’t quite set in on hardcore yet. I imagine it will get much worse on hardcore in the coming months. I could definitely be wrong though, maybe era inflation isn’t as bad because it’s not the more popular version of the game right now?

[@torresserg]

It is tempting to bust out the credit card and spend $5 or $10 to remove the burden of poverty on your HC characters. Every time I start to get a little gold in my pocket I end up having to go train. At the trainer I have pick and choose what I absolutely have to have because of the obscene training costs. In the end, I will not spend real money because it can be done (getting to 60 - enjoying the game) without buying gold. I do think Blizzard can take a step to reduce gold buying by upping the rewards for doing quests. As casual player, why would I even think to buy gold if quest rewards provided sufficient money for training and for buying a mount (at 40). Lastly, it would be great if mobs dropped items equal to their level. It sucks that greens a blues are never an upgrade because they are 5 levels below your character level. You work your ass off with your level 20 to solo an elite (level 16) raptor in WC and it drops a level 10 green.

[@andydelaney6115]

What you’re describing wouldnt be classic, sounds more like retail. For me the struggle is easily part of the fun

[@AntonyWalters]

Deserved a sub mate

[@lurker_yt]

Appreciate it sir! 🙏🙏

[@mynthproject]

Amexswiper is now dead, new toon is swipetosixty :D

[@lurker_yt]

😭😭 rip brother

[@mynthproject]

Lowkey... not even mad this youtube video was sick nice one mate haha@@lurker_yt

[@metavoid8080]

Im not sure how much gold gets removed from the economy on death. People are storing the majority of their gold on bank alts. Great vid overall tho!

[@lurker_yt]

Yeah that's a good point that I missed. Thanks for watching!

[@Blackread]

Maybe the people griefing bank alts aren't that bad after all, at least they make the economy healthier. :D

[@lurker_yt]

@@Blackread LOL I hadn't heard of that yet. That is glorious.

[@Chazzvc]

@@Blackread inflation is actually good in wow. The cost of flight paths, deposit fees, bank slots, repairs, vender water/food, ammo, lv40/60 mount is all fixed. The more inflated the economy gets, the more buying power you have versus the things you buy from the game itself. Sure you may need to spend more to level professions, But you will make more farming profession mats so it balances out completely. It's only bad for people who don't use the AH at all and rely solely on mob drops.

[@Blackread]

@@Chazzvc Inflation only really benefits people who can farm effectively. Since AoE farms aren't really a thing in HC this means in practice bots and people who are able to do profession farms when there's little competition.

[@dedo2611]

Asmongold reacting to this: "it is what it is" 3x

[@lurker_yt]

Lol it did occur to me that's also an Asmon trademark

[@exploreyourdreamlife]

AH inflation is crazy! All those MakGora cash tournaments = lots of gold buyers

[@deathi]

what would be funny if the devs added perm debuffs for gold buyers that shames them, and also reduces stats and armor along with increasing cooldowns on potions and flasks

[@TeaRektum]

if they had the capacity to do that they would ban people instead

[@matt80_s]

I was geared like that and never spent money on gold

[@jimz1024]

sorry but couldve easily found the staff of jordan and also purchased the items instead of saving for his mount... i regularly have way over 100g before 40

[@lurker_yt]

Not a chance

[@RyanNaser413]

Week 1: Freezing Band on AH for 20-40g. Week 3: I have 80g, I want those rings. Checks AH.. Freezing Band: 190g. Fffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[@Rich4rd1337]

Nice ending :P

[@s4juno693]

The truly HARDCORE mode is have a job too buys gold in game.

[@kenker_ape]

streamers ruined the game anyway

[@robt2809]

How so?

[@marioStortuga]

Hasn't bothered me one bit

[@joevader10]

Blizzard knows who buys gold. It is easy to tell. I really wish they would start punishing people. On private servers, sellers any buyers both cop bans. Guess Blizz doesn't want to risk losing half their player base after they let the problem fester for 15 years.

[@Thursdayetitis]

I love how you talk about "most HC players" and how they play for HC. I have yet to meet a single actual HC player on Skull Rock. In fact when I mention the HC rules to anyone interested in learning, the guild or chat channels come at me like I'm trying to tell other people how to play and that people should just be able to play however they want. The reality is that most wow players jumped on the fad bandwagon and ran to HC servers so they can call themselves "HC" while playing the game the same way they always did. They get a difficult quest, no problem lets just spam channel to form a group on the fly. A dungeon run you say, why not I have run it 6 times this week already. That is the reality of it. So I am afraid that, as per normal, the majority of players are buying gold and claiming they are just "working the AH" the same way they do in every other form of the game. It's a supply and demand driven problem. The supply wouldn't be there if the demand wasn't a problem. These same people cry about how "easy" they made retail while they have the other screen open to some gold buying site. It's just sad.

[@danielmoyle5503]

Has anyone here tried going outside and playing catch? Trust me, its surprisingly enjoyable for such a simple concept. Theres also an infinite number of other engagements one could explore. But most will tell me to F off and continue to replay the game they seem to hate so much. Sounds like the devil claimed your soul to me. Enjoy! Why am I even commenting here? Good question, wtf am I doing here? Good bye!

[@lurker_yt]

We love the game so much we make and watch videos about the funny things that happen in it. We even play catch too!

[@Sophistorage]

Can't even play a simple game with cheaters... Make me wanna go outside and toss a ball around

[@Polar-ized]

While asmons point is fair, it shouldn't be up to OTK to police it, but its pretty obvious Blizzard never bans gold buyers so hes kinda just brushing aside responsibility imo

[@lurker_yt]

Blizz officially sanctioned it. I don't know exactly what that means but I think it would be really dumb of them not to ban gold buyers that are participating in it. All that's going to do is give even more viz to an embarrassing issue for them. We will see what happens when we get closer to the actual duels happening 🤷‍♂️

[@wythore]

I really hate when challenges get popular and get ruined by these people. Challenges in WoW started bc people wanted to spice things up; we created challenges like Ironman where you could only play with white or grey gear, or Project 60 where you tried to emulate vanilla on retail back in the day, stoping your xp at lvl 60 and runing vanilla dungeons and raids with like minded people. Remember, this was YEARS before blizzard even announced Classic. These challenges are fun bc no one cheated and we all followed the rules. But then streamers started doing these challenges, and this led to mega guilds full of people trying to cheat their way into the game, for what? Just so the streamer said their name for 5s and never think about them ever again. This killed entire guilds and many of us lost the will to play . It's really sad to see the same idiots tainting HC challenge ... like, whats the point in cheating on a challenge? No one gives a shit about your gear, there's no ingame leaderboard, no statue in game comemorating your "achievements", nothing. Its a challenge that began as player run and now we simply have a fully implemented challenge in the server. People like this chose to take on a challenge and cheat, cutting corners and taking shortcuts, completly ruining the purpose of the challenge from the start. Why not play regular wow if you're cheating then? Whats the purpose? As with everything in life, as soon as money is involved, that thing is forever ruined and destroyed. In the future someone will think on a new challenge to take on this game, get popularized by some streamer and the guild will be filled with cheaters ruining everything for the players that wanted to actually do the challenge from the start. As much as I hate how kargoz and his attempt to ruin classic wow to force players into buying his shitty quest addon, he was right in making that HC addon in the first place. If you want a true HC experience you either play on regular servers with the HC addon or come to Turtle WoW that was the first private server to have HC natively implemented on the server, with ACTUAL rules like no AH , item trading or anything like that , but you can also group up with others if you want to do a dungeon or a quest (but you cant gruop with any player that is more than 5 lvls above or below you precisely to prevent botting or carries). Turtle Wow is the right way to experience HC challenge, not Classic. Stay the fuck away from any oficial blizzard servers, and STOP FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING BLIZZARD

[@MrBa143]

Get it all out boy. Sounds like you are hurt about the way other people have fun. People swiping does not make your "challenge" easier. If you want a solo self found experience, you go right ahead? The hardcore gamemode has been a thing in games for over a decade, and it has always revolved around having one life. You choose yourself, who you want to play with. You talk about "the purpose of the challenge", let me tell you one thing, the purpose of the challenge is up to the individual and what their goals are. Just because YOU have a different goal, does not invalidate or make everyones goals any less. I am not gonna lie, it sounds like you have problems rooted deeper than just this gamemode. I think you need to reflect upon your way of thinking, it would suit you. Your way of thinking seems rather destructive to say the least. Be happy dude, its healthy 😉

[@Limitless_Doom]

I waited a month to play hc classic servers and i was logged in for 10 minutes and saw, bots, gold buyers and sellers, boosters, people buying retail gold with era gold and more ah toons than actual people playing the game. this was 1.5 months ago. -- these servers are a joke

[@bigtimeaiur8860]

Like and sub. Great video during break before my shift lol. Thanks

[@lurker_yt]

Appreciate it homie!

[@Gabe12P]

Subscribing for updates on the gold buyer 😂

[@lurker_yt]

He actually found the vid and commented - he's dead lmao

[@Grogritark]

Hardcore should never have allowed trading or auction house. It ruined the challenge.

[@zrakcin]

But then Blizzard would lose money on their proxy bot farms.

[@MrBa143]

Who exactly did it ruin the challenge for? Do YOU have to use the auction house just because its allowed? Genuinly curious about the logic behind your thoughts. Do you decide what the challenge is for everyone else, and how they should play? After all, the hardcore gamemode is notoriously known for being a one life challenge in virtually any other game. How you spend that life is usually up to yourself. Would suck to live your real one life based on how other people say you should live it.

[@msgtadamus]

Honestly, this could easily be an alt. Trust me 50-60 BoEs are selling for SO much money level 60s are ballin' I got my epic mount faster than I EVER thought I would.

[@lurker_yt]

Well I'm tempted to say that could be the case but I'm not sure given his name 😂 maybe it's just a joke tho

[@scas2955]

I made 300 gold from AH flipping, over 700+ raw gold from aoe grinding to 60 and I found a krol blade. this is without selling or vendoring any of the items I found along the way. I'm not trying to downplay the rampant RMT but some of my alts are full of blue boes

[@boyr321]

Why are people talking about the wow token and pay to win? Wow classic is the biggest pay to win bullshit ever, and the wow token is not in it. I dont like that tje token is in the game, but people are buying gold like crazy if its in the game or not

[@Luzid7]

People lying to them self if they buy gold instead play the game normaly. Bit they just destroy there own fun and the real classic feeling

[@kwicnak4350]

Yep.. gold buying is new.. never been around before..

[@adamparker1504]

It's $94 per 100g , I mean what did people expect , EU Na Asian players are raking in the $$$ because players are too lazy. How to solve the problem , stop buying the gold.

[@lurker_yt]

Is that seriously the price now. Even in the US you could make a good living farming at those prices lol

[@adamparker1504]

@@lurker_yt Yeah there's a website I won't mention here you can sell directly to them , they take a 20% cut , and send you cash straight away after trading. People have already made thousands and it's not even people who have ever botted /hacked before. Alot of players refuse to do PVE instanced content , because it's out of their control.But they've hit 60 and found a good side hustle from it.

[@MrBa143]

​@@adamparker1504 its 10$ for 100g on both Defias Pillager Alliance and Stitches Alliance. Not sure where you get those prices from, but you better find a different website if you intend to swipe

[@bradyfields441]

Imagine spending hundreds of dollars on gear just to die a few days later

[@lurker_yt]

It happened, he said so in my comments 😅

[@sda1445]

Imagine buying lots of gold and treating it like a stock.

[@fufu1405]

Already much cheaper. You can get 1k for like 45 bucks.

[@lurker_yt]

I haven't looked in a few. What are AH prices like in comparison? Not surprised though. HC is last month's news now 😅

[@fufu1405]

@@lurker_yt I play on Turtle WoW, so I didn't check AH prices on Classic, but I assume they're inflated due to gold being purchased. But if gold is this cheap now, it still makes a lot of things easier, like always having gold for training spells and more importantly getting riding right away.

[@humbled289]

It is what it is, I mind my own business and do not care how people play there game. It will never change and the amount of bots farming ore and herbs makes it almost impossible to earn gold in a gathering profession. Almost forcing people to buy gold, but I do not care anymore I play the game because I still enjoy it.

[@Blackread]

Repair bills won't be that bad though, except for tanks, because most of the cost is caused by deaths. :D

[@matthewosterman9030]

Let’s be real if you gold buy on hardcore you’re not playing hardcore

[@MrBa143]

Why not?

[@matthewosterman9030]

@@MrBa143 what do you mean why not lol? Do I really have to answer that

[@MrBa143]

@@matthewosterman9030 The hardcore gamemode in video games has always been about having one life. It has never had anything to do with adding further handicaps to the base game. Thats why i am asking why. I do want you to answer it, if you'd like. It is not me being sarcastic, perhaps you could enlighten me.

[@matthewosterman9030]

@@MrBa143 the spirit of hardcore is making the game as hard as possible. The original hardcore add-on had no trading whatsoever. Buying gold is the opposite of what hardcore is about.

[@MrBa143]

@@matthewosterman9030 but i would argue that is what we call Solo Self Found or ironman mode in other games, not hardcore per say. I dont know of a single game that has a hardcore mode, that adds restrictions. Hardcore has always been "one life" in other games

[@eggnocpoker]

IMAGINE BUYING A PIXEL FOR 198000 GOLD - HA WHAT A LOSER (oh wait its me)

[@DNBcuts]

gold selling as been up since day one on hardcore lol

[@kaj4501]

Hear hear. I'm waiting for the version without trading and the AH, if it ever comes. The rest isn't a challenge, thus meaningless. Pay2win is creeping into everything. Greed is the real enemy.

[@havox112]

these prices are cheap compared to defias

[@cbrdealer]

I think it's pretty funny TBH. You will never have a WoW version without gold buying in some fashion. Gold buying and selling has been a thing since the start of the game. Like Mr Amex said. It is what it is.

[@josephteller9715]

It MUST END or the GAME WILL END. There is a growing movement of folks who will walk away if they let the HC economy end up as bad as it has become in Wrath and in Retail. I walked away from Retail and am on the verge of leaving Wrath because of all the crap that goes on with pay to win. If HC gets the Token or Bliz refuses to ban like crazy when notified who is Botting and who is Gold Selling then its out the door from this as well.

[@Huckle777]

Well we did on bloodsail with no trading allowed. Solo self found wouldve solved this problem but all the noobs couldn't bare not grouping for hogger or buying 5 pieces of stam gear off the AH so official started out as a joke from the beginning

[@MrBa143]

@@Huckle777 Surely you are playing SSF though, right? You are not mailing your gold to an alt right? You are farming all the mats for your professions yourself, right? Thats what i thought.

[@Huckle777]

@@MrBa143 Lmao you're being a clown. Unironically yes to all those questions.

[@MrBa143]

@@Huckle777 🤡🤡

[@epsryneps3101]

Classic + almost out. Hardcore dead in the water

[@gorrumKnight]

Honestly stuff like OTK & streamers are cancer. Economy might have a chance of recovery once they & their smooth brain followers get bored, then quit once it's over.

[@Lucyhehe_]

Classic andy huh?

[@kinggarithos888]

Robe of the mag eye?

[@lurker_yt]

Don't 😭😭

[@frankt9156]

Who care? Streamer get free stuff and gold which is the same as gold buying.

[@Namn-2028]

Gold buying on HC sounds more like gambling, One mistake, One disconnect and it is all gone.

[@Chazzvc]

Not really, When you die you can transfer to classic era for free and keep everything. I'm sure most people do that and only the gamers do multiple runs.

[@lurker_yt]

@@Chazzvc I think the bigger thing is holding gold on bank alts within HC.

[@Namn-2028]

I guess it is a matter of perspective, I see it as a fail and creating a new character I didnt need for normal classic. I did not know it was free, was pretty sure Blizz would charge for that.

[@MrBa143]

@@Chazzvc Depends, some people do not intend to play on era servers, so for them those items are gone.

[@pemalebacon]

Spend real money to ruin the game for yourself. Very cool