HC Wow's Endgame Has One MASSIVE Problem

[@pmlabowicz3903]

I don't think I'll raid if I make it to 60, I'd like to see the vanilla raids for the first time, but idk if it's worth the hassle. For me the game is the leveling journey. Edit: Still alive, first HC toon, 52 NE warrior. Almost there! Second edit: hit 60 and immediately started a new character 😆. Needless to say I won't be raiding.

[@kizzmiaz]

Same here. Raiding turns into a full time job and sucks all the fun out of the game. I always preferred the levelling up and had an army of alts.

[@Willdchiild]

Yup,i think i've got another goal. LvL up all the classes to 60 & after that i' ll have to find a new goal :D

[@Just_Call_Me_Tim]

I'm not even on classic, but in retail (and when I originally started playing at the head of BC) I've always just enjoyed the leveling. It's the journey to "end game" that is the game for me. I still don't understand the idea that "endgame is where the game is."

[@mithrandirthegrey7644]

Raiding is boring. I don't want a second job with a time and a place where I HAVE TO play. I just wanna play when I want to play. If I feel like playing 15 mins then that's what I'll do. If I feel like playing 2hrs then so be it. I don't like the idea of being beholden to play at some arbitrary point in time.

[@alex-suciu]

@@Willdchiild same here, all possible classes and races combinations and then I'll see. that'll will take a while anyway :D

[@WoWUndad]

Hc elite's tank should turn a boss's flame breath on their raid and become a celebrity sociopath for wiping 40 neckbeards

[@alchemyty]

They would grant everyone an appeal saying it was griefing. Lol

[@PsyrenXY]

​@@alchemytyjust have your cat do it "accidentally"

[@SkeltherBot]

​@@alchemytynot on official servers, its scary af xD

[@Eric-il7gv]

Now THAT would be some good content… so many nerd tears would be shed

[@redit1596]

​@@alchemytyhow will they appeal on official lol

[@cappakrunchcappakrunch9681]

Level 60 HC endgame is the literal epitome of the South Park episode. "what do we do now" "what do you mean, now we can finally play the game"

[@TheSonic813]

Reach lvl 60 its time to bath yourself and read a book 💀

[@pawelisecki6054]

Hahah ye

[@geissler91]

??? except it's the opposite for hardcore? the entire "playing the game" part of it is the leveling... tha t60+ raiding stuff is all extra to the challenge... clearly you haven't played hc?

[@cappakrunchcappakrunch9681]

@@geissler91 If you say so buddy. If you say so.

[@calebt8499]

@@cappakrunchcappakrunch9681 I mean he’s right. Just like was mentioned in the video, a large number of people don’t even raid, they prefer to level up. Your comment applies more to retail/wrath classic and doesn’t really apply to hc. More people choose to level than raid in hc

[@ecroslin3074]

It's not a problem. The theme is the journey not the destination. Once you hit 60 it's time to start a new journey. Just like in real life we all know where the journey ends. It's the chapters in the middle that matter.

[@SardacoTV]

He couldn't make it on Warrior so he rerolled Hunter and now he's complaining. ROFL.

[@MolgeraIsTheBoss]

​@@dukemarriott devil's advocate. he just wanted to say it before everyone else did lol

[@anthonyontv]

@@dukemarriott yeah whatever the reason it’s weird that he talked in 3rd person without “ “

[@_faythene]

So what you're saying is make a warrior. Got it.

[@mcstar24]

You really missed the point

[@ianwhy3019]

The point was make a warlock

[@M_TELEDO1212]

Makes you really wonder what WoW would've been like if they hadn't been so focused on the endgame. For me the endgame was always the least fun part. I had so much more fun leveling with the friends I would make and doing dungeons with them. Grinding the crafting, seeing earlier encounters become so much easier as my character became more powerful, feeling like I had made progress. The expansion model where they made all the prior content irrelevant was doomed to fail.

[@vashe9]

you cant add infinite leveling. I'm the complete opposite of you, I started in vanilla wow (not classic, vanilla) and I ALWAYS enjoyed the end game (dungeons and raid) a lot more than leveling. On retail leveling is just a 3-4h chore thank goodness

[@stealthyturtles]

For me the best version of WoW is Classic PvP right around the 30s, about 36-38, not twinks though purely legit characters. Pretty much every class has a full kit with all their skills, it’s just better ranks beyond that, you don’t have the bottom of your talent tree, you can have engineering grenades but they aren’t the complete meta, you can actually do an off meta talent build that works around that level instead of [exactly these talents], gear isn’t busted but seeing a warrior with Whirlwind Axe is still scary as warriors should be, and your gear is quest gear/random drops/dungeon gear/crafted gear. To me it’s the most balanced form of the game, it’s when you get to late game and Shamans in Naxx gear are unkillable in a 1v1, or hunters freeze trap aim shot you for 2/3 of your hp then just kite, etc. That mid to upper 30s world pvp is the best with friends

[@Alehandro12]

@@stealthyturtles when I used to play Light's hope server before classic came out, I was having a blast levelling an undead warlock at first, but stopped levelling at one point and just pvp'ed with alliance in hillsbrad foothills all the time, it was the most fun time I ever experienced in wow

[@stealthyturtles]

@@Alehandro12exactly man. once a lock gets full + spell dmg gear and their curses are doing like 500 dmg a tick, that you cant bandage through and if you dont have a healer you just melt over time it gets really boring. same for all classes, rogues ambushing you for 3/4 your hp pool sucks, hunters landing a freeze trap and its GG for every class after an aimshot is lame, shamans casting a 1.0s heal and topping off when 2 classes have a kick sucks then you get random WF proc'd and shred into an elem mastery lightning + shock for a double crit over half your HP bar. that mid to late 30s right before mounts is the best WoW there is

[@PandiTheBear]

@@stealthyturtleshunter at lvl 19-29 can be a lot of fun. Druid at 29 is really fun too. Like you said, a lot of classes are lacking their kit until the 30s so if you play a class that gets some early perks like travel/aspect to move faster you’re already way ahead.

[@predictorbibulous3327]

While I will most likely not be playing hardcore, I really like watching the content. I think this can help WoW's streaming numbers because the death mechanic adds drama every time, no exceptions. Most of us are very familiar with vanilla wow zones and have probably leveled at least one of every class in them. This gives us (the viewer) a sense of familiarity and makes it easier for us to empathize with the streamer.

[@inkarupay]

You are missing out! I thought the same but it’s been so much fun!!!

[@esuvii]

One comment on Warlocks: Beyond 2 Warlocks the demand for them is much lower - the 3rd one is a struggle to even argue as better than a 7th or 8th Mage. This is unfortunate, but the debuff cap is a primary. I say this as a long time Warlock main. There's both a low Warlock population and an even lower demand for them. If debuff cap is gone like it was on SoM then we are a bit better in the P1/P2 raids though.

[@mrillis9259]

With ease of leveling its odd more warlocks don't make it to 60.

[@jontaii152]

@@mrillis9259 have you seen the decision making of some hc players?

[@DannyDecksLoR]

While that may be true I don't see why they wouldn't want to be gearing all of the warlocks they have so if one dies they aren't stuck without a curse or just using a bad warlock

[@198sambrrs]

if the official hardcore server is on SoM, the debuff limit isn't going to exist

[@DannyDecksLoR]

@@198sambrrs this would be amazing assuming I even get to 60 and raid in HC

[@gentrelane]

Really weird that there's a lock shortage

[@josephteller9715]

It's all Guzo's fault. He showed how easy a Warlock can die from one bad keystroke. 🙂

[@Average1212]

There is always a lock shortage. When raiding you are reduced to one button due to debuf limits and you have to spend alot of time farming 40-60 soul shards for every raid, all just to do middle of the road DPS.

[@TheFletch14]

Mostly because they suck endgame

[@gcp5898]

Raiding on lock is boring AF. The only reason you are brought in is for your Curses. Then it's shadow bolt spam. No dots allowed. Pet dmg is weak. Imps are phased so they survive and keep up buff. It's just not fun to raid imo. With that being said they have the best visually appealing tier sets in classic :)

[@Average1212]

@@gcp5898 I love the look of Druid T3 as well

[@TheDjrizzo]

If blizzard will add achievements in HC mode (like for completing raids / raid bosses) then I will be more interested in end game. But for now, with the current HC addon ruleset, I enjoy the levelling proces so much that the end game content doesn't attract me enough to participate.

[@booquwifius5510]

they wont add in game achivements, its on the vanillia servers and achivements werent added to wow til wotlk

[@chc2650]

Fury warrior will be the most wanted class in end game , but they will also have a lot of death risk if you play in meta leather armor.

[@pigzy9807]

for sure. We have many fury warriors but they die the most of any role and are the most valued.

[@WillyLee23]

End game is a grind. I’m only here for the HC challenge of getting to 60.

[@roffe8751]

Why are locks so few? Isnt the voidwalker great for survivability?

[@SomeOldGeezer]

Tedium of soul shards and creating health stones for raids. Also, some people find the spell rotation / party play style boring.

[@ryuranzou]

I don't plan on playing hardcore because I don't hate myself, but I could see hardcore players enjoying the leveling experience a lot since they'll be doing it a lot. I am really curious how hardcore is going to work for instances since you're relying on 4-39 other players to not mess up so badly that you die.

[@anthonyontv]

Honesty try it, it feels so smooth and rewarding, it’s honestly better than normal WoW imo.

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

The solo leveling experience is actually quite fun, it gives it a sort of single player RPG feel. But you nailed it. Losing hours upon hours upon hours of progress because a tank was oblivious, healer was braindead, or dps decided to leeroy jenkins the entire dungeon in panic... yea, that just ruins it all. Raiding takes this worst aspect of hardcore and amplifies it.

[@scienz0220]

You have a large chance of dying to bad players in every dungeon and raid. Healer simply stopped healing me in rage fire chasm and I died. Happened early but there was nothing I could do to avoid it, and boom all progress erased

[@HoopleBogart]

Every person that has told me "Noooo hooople hardcore sucks and is stupid" 8 months ago is now in love with it. dummies.

[@misaelbrunoroliberato2382]

As a hunter, I can confirm. Every hunter one day died as a warrior.

[@hardcoreclassicenjoyer]

I went through 20 warriors before I made a hunter. It's honestly so easy it's as joke

[@steen_is_adrift]

I could use some advice from someone that was near the HC raiding scene. I would love to play a warrior tank but it seemed like half of all HC 60's were warriors in the addon. However from your screenshot of the raid signup sheet It looks like there were only 2 warrior tanks and 4 druid tanks. Is there a lack of warrior tanks at 60? I would hate to go through the pain of leveling a HC warrior just to find out I can't tank because there are too many other warrior tanks.

[@Cabelius]

Pls if anybody knows. Tell me S2

[@steen_is_adrift]

I did manage to find a warrior that raided on the mod. He said that while there are many warriors at 60, the amount that actually want to tank is low. so if you want to be a primary tank there is very little competition. On top of that (and this is my own guesswork) I would assume that tanks are the most likely to die so there are probably always available positions or soon will be.@@Cabelius

[@Cabelius]

@@steen_is_adrift What class would you recommend me? I´m totally lost with so many ideas hahaha Whatever class you tell me I´ll play it. (I´ve always played hunter in every game all my life, my main in wow is a hunter but don´t want to play it on this occassion). I want to be top in set on the SV. Taking into account that tanks are the most likealy to die... Kinda don´t want that for me xd

[@Romstine]

This problem is mainly because you have one big guild. It will disappear on its own with multiple end game guilds. Overpopulation is not healthy for classic servers. People fight for ressources instead of collaborating.

[@angelmusicvideos]

Yea I was going to say that there will probably and most likely be multiple end game guilds so this for will not be accurate but still good watch to notice what they are taking the most, the least.

[@coinholio470]

HC Elite is a bit big, but if I hit 60 on HC I'd rather be in a bigger guild with a chance to raid than join a guild with hopes of getting enough 60s to raid. It's gonna be tough on official with no appeals, sure there will be more people playing but it's going to be tough to get raid teams together, and there probably won't be more than a few big guilds with enough people to consistently raid.

[@Catchdown]

nope. Hunters survive wipes thanks to their cheat death, and are also one of the most popular hardcore choices due to their levelling safety/speed. It's only natural there's too many of them.

[@MellonVegan]

Why would it be different with more guilds? It doesn't even matter how many teams you divide the player base into, the ratio of 1 class to the total player count won't be changed by that and that's what decides whether you have too many hunters or not. Yes, more guilds mean more raid spots for hunters but they also mean that you need more players of any other class and in the end you will still have too many hunters

[@NorthernHarker]

This was such an enjoyable watch, i almost felt annoyed to see sub 500 subscribers. Very much hoping you get big, this was a very easy and enjoyable watch

[@R3ar3ntry]

Are they gonna announce SoM this Saturday?

[@Woezinga]

isn't mage also really boring in raids. I think you spam frostbolt or am I in the rong? I am thinking about trying hardcore but dont really know which class so play. Thought about warlock, mage, rogue or even hunter.

[@TheHed94]

If they introduce HC Classic with the Vanilla balance completely unchanged, it will still be popular, but non the less a fail. They need to adjust the debuff cap, they need to rebalance some specs to make them playable. It should be HC Vanilla+.

[@Niterayde]

WITH NEW SHINY WOW TOKEN ADDED of course......

[@6Monto]

i dont mind being attuned for raid and not being choosen so you can play and level up an alt, if you dont wanna level another character then what you gonna do when you die?

[@Shummtrout]

I can't imagine myself going through the struggle to survive, and not seeing how far I can go... So few will make it to endgame, it can't be the prize. Leveling is the point, endgame is for fiveheads.

[@td1751]

if youre bad just say that

[@metalicana5894]

@@td1751 pretty much, as long as you somewhat understand this game and how to play it, only warrior will have any form of challenege.

[@NotTheWheel]

Hey buddy sorry to hear you're having a rough time in Hardcore endgame. Just remember that Hardcore Endgame is actually really a whole new thing for Hardcore. Not too long ago the whole goal was to reach level 60 at which point you were free from the challenge. This all changed in Season of Mastery for the first ever "Road to Rag" event. Raiding is something to do if you want to continue the hardcore journey as a level 60 BUT it's not a requirement. It's good that you want to Raid but even if their were several guilds it probably be better just to have the one because 600 out of the countless thousands playing hardcore is not enough to sustain a Raid team I know it sucks to not be able to get into the action right away but this is also a period of time where you could simply level another hardcore character. People do die in and out of rotation and it's a lot to manage. So if you've done all you can on your hunter now be a great time to roll something else and it doesn't matter what class because they all die all the time.

[@psyonicpanda]

If you're still raiding, what is it like now a month later? More guilds rose up, do we still have similar issues?

[@ahetzel9054]

If you die after hitting 60 do you still have to delete?

[@wallchris75]

Why is there no locks? One of the easiest to lvl like hunter and do good dps in raid plus provide porting/health stones

[@chc2650]

Farming soul shards and being a summon bot is soul crushing

[@bongosock]

So if there is a wipe while raiding @lvl 60 hardcore, that's it? You're whole raid team is deleted?

[@tylerkennedy4203]

That's always been my biggest problem the only slots that are easily filled might be for a class you don't like at all so you have to either miss out on the class you actually wanna play or give up and play something you don't like just to get in Terrible system but I'm not sure what could even be done about that

[@TorbLlorts]

its not the system, its just the game is very imbalanced and as dps, options are very limited

[@ClausRow]

I see a lot of warlocks leveling. Do they die before 60? :o (I am also playing warlock)

[@nairav9156]

Warrior may be the most played but thast ok as they make up TWENTYFIVE PRECENT of the raid, yes a good raid will have 10 warrior, insane I know, but if the raid ever wishes to do AQ40 or Naxx they will actually need that many offtanks, and even if their was 0 need for offtanks, there is no reason to go below 8-10 warrior, for they will be the main damage of the raid.

[@tinu7551]

There is no need to minmax raid dps in classic, you get 8 tanks for one fight in naxx and that IS it.

[@Ladosligese]

Any pvp in Hardcore mode ? .. and if so .. what happens when u die ?

[@HyenDry]

This doesnt include both factions tho? So who's to say the horde are having the same issue?

[@57waldo57]

Why's warlock at the bottom?

[@1337139]

I hope they add a ssf option on character screen so I dont have to feel pressured to do dungeons/raids

[@incognino5726]

Excellent video! While watching i realized i was watching live on twitch when you were doing Stratholme with Xaryu, he even congratulated Owlberto on his ding xD

[@MS-pw6jx]

Holy shit that list of chores to get raid ready after hitting 60. I don’t think I have it in me again in this life time Lmao Hope all you lads enjoy official hardcore

[@scatterthewinds3126]

HC is a very interesting concept but I ended up stopping mid 40s on a warrior out of boredom. I mean how many times can I press that same rotation buttons without it becoming stale? Haven't touched it in a few weeks now.

[@peggle09]

I have to say every group I have been in that has had an issue where we had to run or had a person die was from a hunter pulling some stuff with their pet or other dumb stuff. I will no longer do dungeons with a non guild hunter.

[@HowToMolly]

wow who knew one of the most popular classes in the game, which became an even more popular option for hardcore players, would have struggle finding a raid spot.

[@Niterayde]

I roll a resto:balance hybrid to 60 so I fee I got it made so far :D

[@pigzy9807]

I have been in the main raid team since it was a thing. This is because I pumped had to get a spot when the team formed. With the recent explosion of growth I totally see how this is a big issue now. My understanding of the issues as leadership sees it (I am not leadership) We have sort of just been waiting / stalling for official servers to release and fix this problem. Until a couple of days ago, HC only officially supported one guild per faction per server (to verify trading), so you had to be in HC elite and we only have a couple of people that are willing and trustworthy enough to lead raids. I think the HC team will no longer support any one particular 60 guild going forward, so there is an opportunity for more guilds and raid teams to form.

[@CookedPotatoes47]

What are the requirements to join a raid currently? Guessing pre-raid bis, consumes and wbuffs right?

[@pigzy9807]

@@CookedPotatoes47 Some people are being taken to 20 mans with out prebis. The leaders try and get a feel for who is not going to get people killed and take them on 40 mans.

[@Blackread]

I'm surprised there aren't more warlocks, isn't warlock kinda easy to level too?

[@ericworst]

After about 30 it's easier...up to 30 very easy to get over confident and you know...die.

[@NekroNova]

Im playing in private hc serv cuz' cannt afford to pay offi. Been around a week or so in this hc hype, died More rhan 10 times AND this i wanted to know what class to play in order to help endgame. Thanks 4 vid 🤙

[@mangaranwow2543]

Reminds me of Vanilla. Guild were seeking my class, Warlock out, could already join MC raids at lv 58. Never had to apply for a raid spot. And almost no competition on class specific drops. Golden times.

[@Dovidme]

Why do they need so much lock it’s for HS ?

[@mangaranwow2543]

@@Dovidme Curses, every lock can only have one on the boss, every lock brings a battle ress, and the health stones, and of course summons when some people need to leave the raid. Utility is written all over lock and with some gear, their dps is nothing to sneeze at either.

[@Dovidme]

@@mangaranwow2543 Ok ty ! I may try lock tho

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

As a hunter. I tend to agree with the mongo, that is Sardaco... there are about 10 hunters in the same loot situation in HC elite right now.. the top 4 in the main raid are NEVER changing, rightfully so... I feel like HC Elite is trying to be fair with the 2nd MC and what not, but like it is basically a feelsbad moment for like 10 people in the same class. And there are new hunters like EVERY day soooo its not particularly hard to get prebis, so if they survive around 3 or 4 in game days they are probably prebis. The best way to deal with this would be if there was a metric to track how much each hunter has contributed to the cause/community. But even then, there are about 10 guys that have done about the same stuff. Logs in 20 mans i guess is the only thing you can use to make these decisions but who knows. My current stategy is to always be prepared. Always put the effort in, and hope people see that. All the same, i feel bad for the other 10 guys when I get selected. Anyway, Sardaco will likely be dead soon, nearly grenaded himself in raid today as master looter. GO AGANE!

[@rudyz5782]

Blizzard has made it clear on their official post that the end game is not the focus of HC, and most of the gameplay revolves around the journey, engaging in adventures in the open world. So, there’s actually nothing to worry about the end game.

[@crysicle]

Don't level a warlock if you intend to have an easy time finding a group at endgame. For raids their dps is crap unless you're at least AQ40 geared and are only invited for banish for MC, summons, curse of recklessness for melee and curse of elements for mages, very rarely for curse of shadows, due to most of the time there not being enough people to benefit from it. This means that typically there are at most 3 open slots for warlocks per any raid 40 or 25 man. If you want higher chance of getting in, then consider rolling by order of highest chance of invite adjusted based on experience: holy priest, dps warrior, healing shaman, healing pala, rogue, healing druid, mage, warrior tank, hunter, warlock, druid tank, dps priest, dps druid, dps shaman, dps paladin. Tanking is often competitive to get into 40-man raids, unlike dungeons and 20-25-mans.

[@Hozitojones]

What a nice video I actually haven’t been selected for zg yet I’m so sad xd

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

Will it happen on launch? Yes, it will. This is literally no different than retail wow except on a smaller scale. The only thing that will prevent this happening is if there is a larger playerbase playing hardcore. So instead of ONE BIG GUILD. It will be TWO BIG GUILDS. . In retail WoW, most guilds are extremely casual. There are few guilds who run the heroic raids, and I can probably count on my fingers and toes the total guilds on any of our entire shards running mythic raids or 20+ keys regularly. . The point is simple. A small percentage of the playerbase wants to do top level content (why so much time an energy goes into it with such a small percentage of the player base even caring is another discussion). On hardcore classic there's already a tiny total number of players even at max level. A tiny percentage of an already small number equals one guild. . If we really want to discuss hardcore problems, the main issue is that the way the game is designed especially in max level content is in a way that oftentimes OTHER people suffer from someone's mistake. Hardcore is supposed to be a measure of your own skill... not your skill in praying that your tank taunts on an agro reset... Until they fix this major problem I will never play hardcore. If a tank makes a mistake that costs someone elses life, the tank should lose their character, not the person they f'd over. If a healer stops healing and just stands there doing nothing while you die and it's recorded... the healer should lose their character, not you. Being punished for other players mistakes is the main reason I don't pve on retail, and it's one of the main reasons I will not play classic hardcore.

[@Kunaives]

It wont be the same on official servers. One thing that's off putting for player made hardcore is having to leran all the addon and rules..etc hardcore servers being more easy to get into will increase the player count and increase the amount of guilds trying to raid at 60

[@simplyafederalist]

Ok pardon my ignorance but why cant a raid mix change to have more hunters? Maybe there is higher chance of death but why play the always same meta setup?

[@kangaroochili]

What did you do to farm gold on HC? I imagine things like DM Tribute would be off the table.

[@AurioDK]

Yes, it will be the same, I have played hardcore with all my characters since 2004, when I die it´s over. The only times I have bent those rules were deaths due to technical glitches like disconnections. Grouping with randoms gets you killed and most classes simply lack that "ooh shit" button, Rogues have "vanish" and Hunters have "feign death", both abilities that let you escape certain death if you are a bit clever about it, other classes have escape mechanics but they are limited in scope. The rogue is far more fragile though and will meet his demise unless very careful, the hunter is the only class with that double layer, pet and feign death. You should never die if you don´t group up and do things without rushing, a hunters main enemy on his way to 60 is his arrogance when things become a bit too easy. Whenever I reached 60 I toggled permadeath off simply due to "mission accomplished", on official hardcore servers I would just sit and flex somewhere unless I was ready to lose my character.

[@michaelcollins7925]

I do not plan to raid at 60 in HC my only goal is to hit 60, but after watching this video, my new goal is to hit 60 with a warlock or druid. I dont know much about either class, so it will be a learning experience, I think I will go with warlock. I will probably join a raid, and die first raid, but if I hit 60 I will already have met my only goal

[@gatorbait9385]

Druid was my first class ever when I start WoW back in 2005 and I never knew it was so unliked in classic lmao

[@Niterayde]

@@gatorbait9385 I find resto/balance pretty fun so far lvl26 so far and I can get into hc dungeons if I fee so inclined

[@xanakify]

cool to see other peoples views on hc, im not gonna play anymore vanilla. but it's interesting to see the people doing this

[@fash0cs]

before i died on my 60 i told myself i was never going to do it again, dude warrior was an absolute grind solo, w/ pugging and tanking every dungeon... it was dope to hit max level but man did dying suck

[@paulwalther5237]

How is there a lack of warlocks??

[@andrewg3196]

There's always a lack of casters. People don't like playing caster as much as physical dps.

[@paulwalther5237]

@@andrewg3196 apparently so. But warlocks are OP in every expansion it’s so weird. And they have a pet and are range dps, perfect for HC it would seem.

[@andrewg3196]

@@paulwalther5237 They're OP in every expansion but not Vanilla, especially with debuff limit. They're basically a shittier mage that you bring along for utility.

[@jacobbrackett3568]

@@andrewg3196 more fun mage easily

[@dfcd1432]

@@paulwalther5237 They're ok at best in vanilla. Yes they're very good levelers and good for HC but they're just one of the least popular class in general

[@tkell31]

Levelling a warrior now. Took a long time to get the mats for the ww weapon, and got it at 36. But then one of my first quests after was in desolace to get the quest for SM to get bone biter. Kind of a bummer knowing a weapon I spent hours to get would be outclassed in another 2-3 levels. And farming "pre-bis," getting buffs etc is so much worse which is one reason I like HC...yu only do each instance once. So as I type here, fishing in Tanaris I'm left wondering how much longer I will be playing Classic in any form. I wish they would come out with different leveling experiences for classic to provide something new to experience while leveling.

[@Average1212]

SOM 2 will also have regular and PVP servers, not Just HC. I will Level and Raid on a PVP server where I can also do BG's and other activities with my toon, not just raid log. If I get bored I will make another HC character after I have a raiding 60 on a real server that only raid logs or pvp's.

[@sefika2245]

Just decided to go back and give wow a try again, because of HC. I have played ironman (no death and no magic items) and got to lvl 48 before i got too bored and stopped. Of cause I will make a sorc as first toon since thats been my main since the end of vanilla, but im a team player if Im in a guild and they need a class I lvl that class.

[@KozmikVibez]

I don’t plan on even doing dungeons I’m going 100% solo but I love watching raids and dungeons to see how others do. Great vid

[@dissect123]

If I wanted to raid at 60 again then definitely not HC. Even with a non HC raid there are problems with the roster because you always need more people than there are raidslots. The logistics of raiding are really annoying in classic even without HC. HC raiding just means loot council overlords deciding your fate.

[@pigzy9807]

We don't have loot council.

[@dmasiodnmiod]

Warlock is super easy to level as well though? so whys there no competition

[@johannsteeler6689]

Cause it is boring af

[@johannsteeler6689]

@Mike Hawk both are easy. But what I meant is that as a warlock (or as a caster really) all you do at max level is press 1 Button for your rotation

[@CojonesMuchoGrande]

​@Mike Hawk yes but leveling Rogue is super fun with a skill ceiling

[@CojonesMuchoGrande]

@Mike Hawk true true. Iam leveling a sub rogue right now and its just pure fun to have like 90%+ crit rate after each slain mob

[@merchantchannel1245]

I got to vll 15 as lock, it is actually REALLY boring.

[@darcy_cannon]

Love Xaryu but yeah hes only included because of 15k viewers. Who cares tho hes not putting them at risk cause hes a great player and hes making a ton of people want to play. Win win imo. Can't wait for official hc. Gonna be wild

[@ollep0lle]

Why do warlocks automatically get a spot??

[@jesushope2421]

love the greys for days clip. haha stop running in noob. 10/10 sardaco

[@laurelhill3505]

If the HC server is a SoM server, I won't play. Defeats the whole point with an XP buff

[@dansthemans]

it wont be. I'm not sure this guy knows what hes talking about

[@nomnomNACHO]

Blizzard said it themselves. HC server will be different to SOM2

[@geissler91]

hardcore endgame is neat, but it was never the idea behind the challenge until big/flashy streamers got involved. the leveling to 60 is the main challenge, and if folks want to try raiding and such- great. In that thought though, I think petri potions and other shenanigans used to avoid death are lame. Play softcore at that point.

[@dannyle7801]

The majority of players not choosing to do end game raid speaks for itself

[@GreenGravel]

Can't there be more then one raid? If more people join just split the guild for two raids at some point.

[@furryweeber8711]

That sounds fine under normal circumstances but if ur raiding hardcore u want the main raid teams stacked. To decrease the risk of death. As a result the lower raid teams are more undergeared as a whole and the risk of death is higher

[@OlliTechDE]

What happens in HC if you die in a raid?

[@LeVolture]

You delete and go agane!

[@OlliTechDE]

@@LeVolture Delete a raid geared lvl 60 char? Insane!

[@Aristele]

i love HC in principle but personally there's no way id be willing to entrust 39 people with the life of the character i spent dozen of hours meticulously leveling and gearing. guilds continuously losing members also make it seem like it's going to be very unsustainable once the thrill of HC dies down... :/ lowkey they could use HC servers as an opportunity to attempt to rework the end game altogether.

[@McBinnagin]

I've been lock forever, it's one of the easier classes to level I'm extremely surprised it's not more popular

[@FNigslol]

They dont have a get out of jail free card like hunters pallies and rogues

[@anthonysanchez9204]

Great perspective, thanks for sharing.

[@donderstorm1845]

raided for most of SoM and getting all the prebis and always having enough consumables for raids was like a part time job lol. fully understand that ppl that hit 60 just go again instead of trying to raid.

[@AliothAncalagon]

Why exactly are hardcore warlocks so rare? Back in classic I had the feeling that they are a rather easy class to level compared to many others. Is the warlock in general a less popular class? Or is there some difficulty that I simply never encountered, because my warlock back in classic only reached level 30 or something?

[@frtzkng]

Part of it is that warlocks in normal Classic have three mana bars: 1) their own 2) their health bar 3) the healer's mana bar

[@Tange899]

Sorry but, what is the problem to play Warlock in classic ? I've played this class only since cataclysm, i don't know what make this class in classic be so low, it seems easy to me to play warlock like hunter because of the pets u have

[@American_Mike]

They could simply announce WotLK Phase 3 drop date and Joyous Journeys timeframe. It is a promise to have some "classic talk" not HC talk. Great video. Have a sub.

[@thehitman8663]

Hey genius the dev is going to be with the HARDCORE streamers making an announcement. Its not rocket science.

[@Pushoffacl1ff]

This isnt new news to anyone. Do yall not remember how many warriors/rogues there were in classic vanilla. They benefit from WBs better than any other class. I for one believe that yall shouldnt sleep on feral (ally only) or ret pally. On short fights, ret can pump hard af.

[@sonhadvar6832]

I like how 3 years ago, people were like 'yeah you'll see what difficult is when classic releases'. 3 years later, you have people coming up with absurd restrictions in order to make it somewhat challenging.

[@MeskDaKrull]

Yeah well, compared to retail it is

[@sonhadvar6832]

@@MeskDaKrull Well, no. You know what killed that argument? Release of classic WoW.

[@tinu7551]

Only braindead people thought Classic was hard.

[@pigzy9807]

The difficulty of classic raiding is not the raid mechanics. It is getting 40 people to not rag and break up the guild. The number of guilds that could not hold it together and clear through naxx was very high in classic.

[@treeaboo]

@@sonhadvar6832 The point is the Classic levelling is harder than Retail levelling, and it absolutely is, it's genuinely hard to die doing Retail levelling, that's why far more extreme challenges than Hardcore exist(ed) for Retail, such as the Ironman Challenge (No talents, no specialisation, only white and grey gear, + usual HC rules). Retail raiding is harder than Classic raiding, except for LFR, which can be cleared with more than half of the raid AFK and the other half rolling their face across the keyboard. Some Ulduar Hardmodes are harder than most Normal raids on Retail though (Mimiron, XT, Iron Council, Yogg 0, Algalon), but not as hard as most Heroics. (We'll see how ICC 25m Heroics matches up to modern retail Heroics, probably easier except for maybe The Lich King).

[@smitty7326]

why the hell are there so few warlocks?

[@crossc1988]

One reason warlock isnt as prominent, i imagine, is because of the debuff slot limit. However, on the official hardcore server, there will be no limit. So, multiple affliction locks could, in theory, be in a single group.

[@Aei934]

Why, did you, use so many commas?

[@otherguylb5629]

Raiding is definitely one of the worst aspects of these private servers. I have been playing for 20 years, not actively, but still. Raiding was the most frustrating experience ever, starting from world buffs, gold dkp, hard/soft reserves, no places and etc.

[@hosannayeshua4446]

hey you forgot shamans from the picture :P 2:40

[@ragenaros4475]

if they put any sort of XP boost in HC classic, they are not clear in head xD . Even SOM

[@randy9046]

Dying at level 60 with pre-best-in-slot gear and then having to level up again is asking too much of me. I still have to eat and pay my bills!

[@LewReviews]

Sounds like it's a problem for good players 90 percent won't even make it past pre bis farm

[@TheSaxon1321]

My only Argument is hardcore isn't really meant for people who enjoy the end game, sure it would be great to get all biz gear but the real fun and challenge is Lvling. My goal is lvl 60 on every class

[@timmaa9]

Great video and you make some great points. Makes me feel good being a Warlock main though :P

[@lennyh801]

HC is about the Journey not the destination. if you don't delete and go agane at 60 you doin it wrong. Great video BTW Sardaco!!!

[@Ferrivia]

i don't think that il play it anytime soon, bcuz i don't rly have the money, and when i do im kinda having fun on retail rn

[@Ziggykitty666]

Why so few locks ? The pets and utility with healthstones etc and teleporting group members.. weird.

[@ArCSelkie37]

Some of the rules of SSF I find a bit restrictive. I’d prefer limited trading among people of a similar level, would be nice to stimulate a separate hardcore economy. Means not everyone has to go alchemy OR engineering. Like the fact you can’t even trade mage food is kinda silly to me.

[@csguy3223]

So hunter is definitely the easiest and fastest class to level to 60 in hc. But here are some other really easy classes to level: warlock, priest, paladin, druid, rogue. Mage is also relatively easy and fast. It’s a glass cannon though, you mess up and you could die easily. Shaman is easy and fast but it’s horde so many won’t play it. Overall I had a better time playing a warlock to 60 in hc than a hunter. Ret paladin is nuts and drastically underrated. You don’t take much damage because of mail and plate armor, you can heal and you do lots of damage with high crit and big 2h weapons. The human racial passive makes a big difference for damage with the bonus accuracy. Shadow priest does about the same single target as mage at mid to high levels and has healing and barriers. Druid and rogue stealth are insane. Druid healing and cat form are strong. Rogue has tons of utility and defensives. Warrior is pretty powerful in 1v1 situations. Gnome racial is insane on any available class. Highly recommend just getting used to the jank of any class you want to play. They’re all good.

[@modjoe4107]

only way blizz can fix this is - rebalance the raids to be 25 man and 10 man respectively. it will reduce player strain between guilds and allow for a more diverse guild market.

[@Dayman87]

I can tell you exactly how HC is going to go for me. Spend the next few weeks agonising about what class to play, use a Randomiser to choose a class, die before level 15. Repeat until somehow I magically get a class to 40, get bored and quit.

[@ivanradic7941]

I dinged 60 on my priest and I imediatly deleted it and didn't play since... It was TON of fun and I really enjoyed every step of the adventure, but was bit time consuming and idk if I would repeat process, also all the preparations for the raids and simillar stuff, I even didn't take all the buffs when played normal vanilla in 2019/2020 so nah, endgame was too HC in HC for me. Sorry all who needed priest, but gl.

[@Shinobi001]

You can never have too many warriors in classic/vanilla wow. Top dps, best tanks, scale best and less of them will make it to 60.

[@jankenrock7869]

I've never really been into raiding. once I reach 60 on HC, ill prob just stop there or lvl another alt

[@baldASLsigner]

have never really cared about endgame... ever. I've always done pvp at max level (non-HC of course) or just done gathering grinding / amusing activities until I decided to start another toon and level again. That's been my "M.O." since 1999 in MMORPGs

[@Christian_Bagger]

Well.. the HC challenge we’re all about reaching level 60, that’s it. The raiding is an additional bonus. I think Blizz ain’t gonna put their nails in too deep. I think they’re gonna make it so, when you’re dead, your dead, and perhaps a few other things. But that’s it. I think there’s going to be a fraction in the community. I think there’s gonna be a faction playing under the same custom rules at present, and I think the buzz about the HC is going to attract people where the server official wow server is enough on itself, and that’s also gonna pull from the current community. I think there’s going to be a rift.