Golden Fleece - Champion Racehorse 1982

[@josephineubas4655]

Yes Dr o Brien an absolute genius as rarely had more than 40 horses in training and for a number of years no fillies. Golden fleece right up there with the very best. His 3 runs before epsom looking back was terrific form. He actually beat much better horses than in derby. Epsom wasn't the best racetrack for him. He had unbelievable acceleration. Yes pat eddery did think he was better than dancing brave especially over 12f he told us. Terrific upload this. What a horse. So underrated. Brilliant on the clock too in all his races especially sectional timing.

[@markroe6757]

Who told u that he only trained 40 horses u must be on the disco biscuits

[@josephineubas4655]

@@markroe6757 when at ballydoyle in 1980s that was the case. Always kept quality or quantity. For a period of time none or very few fillies. Not exactly sure max number he ever trained in his career was prob in the 60s never more than that. This is just fact. The big stables nowadays can easily have 250-300 horses in training.

[@nightowl7459]

​@@josephineubas4655Probably forty two year olds, I know that they certainly didn't have as many horses in their stables as they do now, but I do think they had round about a hundred although I'm led to believe that Henry Cecil probably has near two hundred, I used to have a few old copies of Horses In Training from around the 1985 years.

[@patcallinan3992]

​@@markroe6757 Dr. Vincent O'Brien liked to know every horse as an individual and get inside their heads. He would have 40+ horses under his care in total in any season. The maximum amount of horses that he would have in training is 52 but he rarely scaled those heights. Now I'm after educating you. Please don't talk Shite when all you know is Jackshit. 👍

[@markroe6757]

Right dickhead when eddery won the Irish jockeys championship while mainly based in england riding for Vincent o Brien O brien that year had 75 horses in training u plank

[@liamokeeffe9967]

3 legend's horse 🏇 jockey and trainer gone but not forgotten

[@vencejo7572]

I was at Leopardstown when he won the Nijinsky Stakes. He was the most beautiful horse I've ever seen.

[@leesog3203]

Wow! You're so lucky to have seen him.. One of the best Derby winners we've seen.. I'm sure he would have won the King George (Karaglow) and Arc (Akiyda) if he wasn't retired.. He was a special talent :)

[@jamesledwidge5879]

Seen him in his 3 races in Ireland best horse i have ever seen. Awesome he was won every race in a canter. Within the year he did of cancer.

[@leesog3203]

@James Ledwidge Wow, you’re very lucky to have seen him :) I bet you’ve seen some incredible performances down the years 😀🐎

[@paulotoole9758]

@@jamesledwidge5879 good man Jimmy.Hows the golf?

[@bobbyperu1000]

u know of any footage of el gran senor winning first time out at phoenix park?

[@leesog3203]

Wow, what a special beautiful horse he was! And it's so so sad he died just 2 years later :( He could be the most underrated Derby winner ever.. he was rated 133 with Timeform, which is high, but this horse reminded me a little of Sea Bird.. he was rated 145, and Pat Eddery said Golden Fleece was the best horse he ever rode.. the man rode Pebbles, El Gran Senor and Dancing Brave.. they where all rated higher than Golden Fleece and in the Book "A Century of Champions" the authors only rated him an "average" Derby winner.. this horse has to be the most underrated, most unknown, misunderstood champion of all.. he was undefeated and died so young.. May God Bless his soul

[@peteb954]

He seems to be the 'forgotten horse'. Without doubt one of the best Derby winners in my 60yrs.

[@user-wm7mp2fl1p]

Pat Eddery said Dancing Brave was like a Rolls Royce he probably said Golden Fleece is the best horse he rode as he did not know the RollsRoyce was just four years away from Golden Fleece

[@robertdelacy3434]

@@user-wm7mp2fl1p he said it after he retired golden fleece was the best horse he ever rode

[@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon]

Brilliant video. A forgotten champion.

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

Barney Curley never rated Golden Fleece, he layed him to loose a Kings Ransom for the 1982 Derby, these clips are very cool to see , he was a very good racehorse look what he did to Assert? destroyed him twice on the bridle, in the Derby he won easily despite coming from further back than ideal around tattenham corner , and from there he ranged up smoothly and impressively but for injury he would have been hailed one of the greats

[@MegaALEXLOUIS]

Great to know that Barney did his conkers 😂

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@MegaALEXLOUIS footnote, i bettcha anything 4 eyes has read my comments haha

[@MegaALEXLOUIS]

@@WESSERPARAQUAT 😂

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@MegaALEXLOUIS one was bad enough...now there are 3 of them! irish racing is FINISHED

[@Gazowen-qz5xy]

Barney curley talked crap

[@user-wm7mp2fl1p]

Golden Fleece had the perfect jockey on his back as the horse ran effortlessly when asked to kick

[@paulotoole9758]

thank u so much.WHAT A HORSE.MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE

[@leesog3203]

@Paul Gallagher No doubt, Sea Bird was the best derby winner in history, but we do have to acknowledge the fact the horse would have improved between The Derby and Longchamp.. so if we take all those horses you mentioned as we seen them on the day, I do wonder if it would have gotten a little too close for comfort for fans of Sebird. Nijinsky, Reference Point, Golden Fleece, Generous and Shergar in particular, may have got Seabird out his comfort zone. If he was ridden in the same style, in fear of injuring him on the road after the winning line, I suspect he would have come up short against a brilliant front-runner.

[@paulnelson5713]

What a horse,incredible

[@SpursFanCanada]

Vastly under rated and somewhat forgotten because he never ran again but believe me he was one of the best.

[@petdetectiverobertkenny1842]

The greatest of all time

[@JSB-IZ-ME]

Love these videos but gives you an enormous sense of whats past, such wonderful horses, Eddery & Lester, Oaksey and many more lost to the passage of time. Great memories nonetheless.

[@paulotoole9758]

Golden Fleece was rated ahead of Dancing Brave by Pat Eddery in a Sporting Life article.

[@9pwsscamel369]

paul o toole yes, Eddery always instinctively said Golden Fleece was the best he had ridden. The press used to say to him surely it was Dancing Brave and he would then defer to their insistence. But his instant response said volumes.

[@paulotoole9758]

2 greats of the turf.yet one is always revered but the other is barely remembered by the so called EXPERTS who do these Top 50s etc.Ah well we know different haha!@@9pwsscamel369

[@saints16o5o87]

@@paulotoole9758 i agree a great horse, but so few Derby winners ever do anything nowadays, the last ones to be a champ were STS and another Golden,- Horn.

[@thomasgreen2039]

Nijinsky his sire

[@thomasgreen2039]

Vincent o brien & Robert sangster Kings of the ring

[@Robbie-n1d]

One of the best ever for sure.i was only 11 when he won but dont think ive seen much better .awesome.

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

Dr Vincent O' Brien TRUE Legend and a Genuine bonafide GENIUS , One of the World's greatest ever racehorse trainers , these terms are often bandied about these days for idiot's who get it all handed to them on a plate but Dr O' Brien was the real deal , small select team cherry picked and expertly handled by a Master of his profession , that and he gave tuition to some amazing trainers notably John Gosden and a host of others

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@Stephen Small Vincent told me to tell you his name is more than worthy of a Capital letter

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@Stephen Small ya, i had ouija board again , Dr O'Brien was saying Desert Crown

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@Stephen Small i'm on at 33/1 each way on Desert Crown , 500 euro e.w

[@sabrehill1]

Convinced he would've gone on to be an all-time great. Such a shame it couldn't be proven

[@myfrobert]

Yes, the horse never raced again after his Derby win, and more tragically, died after his only season of his breeding career.

[@donaldcullen2416]

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[@felixtrent6689]

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[@imranholden1305]

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[@zacharyalonzo6164]

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[@ThefightingCelt]

This beautiful son of Nijinsky was a great horse . Pat Eddery always maintained that Golden Fleece was the best horse he ever rode . I cannot disagree with that . He didn't race again after the Derby but he would have swept everything aside had he done so . I actually think Epsom didn't suit him and that his sheer class helped him to win at that unique racecourse .

[@Chief_Brody]

what makes you think Epsom didnt suit him? Stop talking cobblers for the sake of talking

[@scottbuxton969]

He was a beast!!

[@joncaffrey8967]

golden fleece is one of the greatest derby winners and pat eddery for me is the greatest jockey and vincent o brien the greatest trainer .

[@davidmcmahon5234]

Wouldn't say eddery was the greatest jockey Mick kinane Kieran Fallon were he's equal no doubt 🤔 about that

[@joncaffrey8967]

11 championships in UK 1 in Ireland second to sir Gordon in winners and starter way after Lester piggott pat eddery and Lester were in a league of there own 😊

[@davidmcmahon5234]

​@@joncaffrey8967wouldn't be saying that now John lost an awful lot of races he should have won l think Mick kinane was a better jockey than eddery and K Fallon as well strong as an ox kinane and Fallon no doubt 🧐 about that

[@kevinmunday5782]

obviously a top class horse just a pity he didnt race after derby tho

[@johngray4219]

Remember this Derby so well. Golden Fleece was like a Range Rover overtaking a group of pedal cyclists

[@youdoonedoes3984]

Quite a short action. Subbed.

[@user-wm7mp2fl1p]

Golden Fleece just cut through the field like a hot knife thru butter what an acceleration by such a fantastic horse no wonder Pat Eddery mentioned the BEST horse he ever rode end of story

[@Gazowen-qz5xy]

Eddery said the best he ever sat on and won the derby without an effort and in the fastest time since the war think of that

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

Interesting time comparisons Shergar in 1981 Golden Fleece 1982, the 1982 Derby was run over 10 secs faster! also from a mark visible just over 3f out i compared , Golden Fleece 39.47 to line, Shergar over 45 secs! even allowing for a softer surface in Shergar's Derby these comparisons are simply staggering!! this adds weight to the belief that Golden Fleece was indeed a truly exceptional animal , the times back it up, incidentally approx 3.5secs faster than the 1986 Derby Dancing Brave's year on a quick surface

[@mallafets]

Shergar was eased right down though way before the line.

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@mallafets Golden Fleece was the better horse I know Pat Eddery had him at number one ahead of all the greats he rode inc Grundy Dancing Brave and his Arc Winners

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@mallafets Nothing in behind Shergar achieved much , Golden Fleece annihilating Assert TWICE , Assert was very good

[@mallafets]

@@WESSERPARAQUAT Im not saying one was better but times are a bad indicator, look at the horses who hold track records most you have never heard of. Shergar decimated fields and Stoute says nothing he ever trained was near him. GF we will never know just how good he really was buy obviously a serious machine. A King George in 82 with those two imagine that, though weight for age GF would of been my pick. Also Eddery corrected himself a few times in later years and said DB was the best he had ridden.

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@mallafets in public Eddery would say that in private it was always Golden Fleece , Peter Bromley's epic Shergar commentary is worth checking out

[@andrewblackie7170]

Is Dr O'brien the greatest trainer of all time people ? Could i have opinions please🙏

[@michaelheery6303]

Truly smazing.

[@donfoley1590]

Impressive

[@greentombdive]

In terms of his stride rotation quality note the short, almost choppy, stride. Consequently, he literally can not lengthen thru the body. Fascinating, the thoroughbred race horse.

[@bobbyhanly3466]

Pat Eddery so cool as with Dancing Brave in the Arc

[@jimmymalone9139]

PAT THE BEST EVER

[@johndonnelly3135]

Back in the good old day’s when the Epsom Derby winner was considered the best horse in Europe, that’s changed recently for two reasons, one when a certain horse didn’t win a Derby and two when Aidan O’Brien started dominating the race. For some of us who’ve been following racing for 6 decades the Epsom Derby is still the hallmark of greatness.

[@laurencebranigan2545]

It's fair to say that Assert improved later in the season but, Golden Fleece met him twice and beat him comfortably both times. Also, after his first win as a 3YO, Golden Fleece had to have improved to win the Derby. I feel it unfair he was rated behind Assert in some quarters. Too much emphasis is placed on the horses he beat at Epsom not being that good but how many beaten horses in The Derby amount to anything?

[@9pwsscamel369]

Touching Wood went on to win the Leger. Assert won the Irish Derby and Juddmonte by huge distances.

[@arkleegan282]

Agreed, That's why THE DERBY is the test, More often than not (greater than 9 times out of 10) the best horse wins it...

[@allangreenley9901]

What did Lester ride in that derby

[@vencejo7572]

Lester had no ride and he was doing TV commentary. As Golden Fleece cantered to the start Lester voiced dislike of the horse's scratchy action and doubted we were looking at the winner. It was very odd from Lester and he was soon proven wrong. Some horses don't like to stretch out or raise their hooves much until they're actually racing...

[@bobbyhanly3466]

@@vencejo7572 He was probably raging that he wasn't on him as he should have been if greed didn't get the better of him.

[@DarrenRiley-yo2bd]

As good as any derby winner since Grundy and better than any since

[@allangreenley9901]

@DarrenRiley-yo2bd very impressive horse and winner impeccably bred racing machine way he won that Derby would have to agree with you

[@roberto4001000]

And some fools think Frankel was a better horse 🤡🤣🤣

[@darren2514fv]

was this taken from the Virgin Great Races video on the Derby

[@KevinMunday-oh6xq]

sadly he didnt race again, so its impossible to tell how good he was. Other horses have won the derby from way back in the field in the straight tho, such as Troy and lamtarra

[@darrenremington6422]

Lammtarra never got the recognition he deserved! Unbeaten ❤❤❤

[@jackcack8709]

Huge horse

[@jamesledwidge5879]

He was indeed a huge horse 17.2 hands he was. Best horse I have ever seen, seen his 3 wins in Ireland. He beat Assert as a 2yo & 3yo in a canter. Assert won French & Irish Derby's. Golden Fleece never given the credit he deserved.

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

Vincent is still NO1 , listen , look , obviously delighted we'll see what the lads say, runs half the field in his derbys :) Vincent only ran one in most so achieved so much more and he could talk the other yolk can't talk obviously, yea no delighted, he has a lovely mind, obviously yea no, yea no i'm a genius we'll see what the lads shite out of them then decide yea no delighted lovely mind

[@markperryman1797]

Er obviously delighted.....

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@markperryman1797 he has a lovely mind ricci, ah listen delighted, thrilled ...did you ever see as bent a wacky race as this years irish "derby" :)) Dr O' Brien wouldn't be impressed haha the irish, the curragh....a shithole even after the "refurbishment" but sure, delighted thrilled obviously happy....oh wait, i'm giving away the names of me best 2yo's , obviously wins next years derby but we might run a few others ricci....theres a nice one called obviously 2 then obviously the third he's gud pleased with his work, he has a lovely fucking mind ricci, might land a job at kilbeggan in a novice ....if all else fails, obviously delighted thrilled lovely mind ........................

[@markperryman1797]

@@WESSERPARAQUAT Irish Derby, LADBROKES phone call: "Hello Mr O'Brien?", "er hello Mr Dillon, Ryan will make it look an unlucky ride on Anthony van Dyck the pacemaker will win, were sure that you will be delighted".....

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@markperryman1797 this years irish "derby" was run and won like a bent french seller :P or claimer :) LAUGHABLE! irelands premium middle distance race, a farce , a joke , long term new rules need to be introduced that either an owner (s) trainer (s) can run no more than two in any classic, it's a disgrace that a gobshite can run 6 or 7 in a Classic , seriously it's ruining the spectacle for everyone, it's just not fun to watch anymore , and who remembers wings of shite?

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

@@markperryman1797 AND then, those interviews , holy fuck

[@WESSERPARAQUAT]

the best part of this clip?? Thommo keeping his trap shut

[@davidmcmahon5234]

Dont forget Christy roche outrode eddery in the derby on secreto every one said eddery ballsed it up dont think so watch the finish again 😊

[@edwardevans4717]

Beat duke of dollis!

[@markperryman1797]

7:36 The old boy in the background must be well rotted underground today......

[@jabodl1]

Lol

[@jeanlawley6483]

Why would you say that ... in any case maybe he was cremated

[@andrewblackie7170]

Well you are a bit of a SICK MAN. You need to go to the doctors & ask for a head doctor & tell him/her you need to go to the looney bin. You're welcome.