Aftermath from the Trespassing Hunters

[@dnfan1]

Regardless of anti- or pro hunting stance. I would say that (as a single woman) I would be absolutely terrified if a group of strangers appeared on my property with guns. Especially in the dead of night. I'm from Colorado so the laws are different, but my instinct would tell me at that moment that it was a flight or fight for my life as a single gal. I don't think that's come up in the discussion so far. It's wonderful that you have someone to back you up, but what about a single person. No matter what gender, I could see that person feeling fearful for their safety and/or forced to let people hunt on private property because of feeling threatened.

[@snakesonaframe2668]

Agreed, you should be able to press charges against someone who comes into your property with a weapon without your permission.

[@kathleenredick275]

@@snakesonaframe2668 Definitely!

[@AKATenn]

I think hunting on private land should be by permission only, and with modern technology and digital mapping they can't say they couldn't know whos land they were trespassing on

[@tamsel814]

Yeah, how hard would it be to make like an app showing a map of the local area which shows in colors of people have posted their property. The county already knows what property is posted so the records are available

[@lindascott3973]

Totally agree. Plus Vermont needs to make posting property less of a pain. Signs can be torn down way too easily by hunters and then the property owner can't press charges.

[@junkgum]

Somebody should invent an electronic device that sends a no hunting zone signal radar.

[@Broockle]

@@nadabiznes3278 so.... does it work?

[@Broockle]

@@nadabiznes3278 how long until this tech is mandatory for all dog hunters? xD It's good to respect tradition but also to be ontop of times. Everyone has a smart phone these days so it shouldn't be considered taking away rights I think.

[@stevehollahan3533]

As alife long hunter, I want to apologize for this indiscretion. I know these hunters knew they were going on private land. They don't care. I never go on private land or cross a fence or trespass knowingly. And that's just a rule no one should abuse.

[@codycampbell3562]

A warning shot does the trick every single time.

[@ManiManiPlays]

I love how in the age of technology when people are tracking their dogs with wireless signals you still need to manually post your property. There should just be an online hunting database that lets you post electronically. That way there'd be no ifs, ands or buts on the matter. On the matter of hound hunting though, it seems to just be a way for lazy hunters to bag easy prey. I'm also not a hunter, so take my opinion with as much salt as you want.

[@itsbangtime9194]

North Dakota went to online posting this year

[@Matt-xc6sp]

@@itsbangtime9194 This is a great thing. I guess even a blind squirrel is right twice a day. Good job ND.

[@martinwyke]

c.f. Geofencing, very possible.

[@nancydeis7121]

Great Idea

[@landonboomsma2594]

Hound hunting is very difficult keep your opinion to yourself

[@ZantharEos]

I find Ohio's hunting laws wonderful for land owners. A hunter must have a signed permission slip dated for the specific day they want to be on someone's land signed by the landowner. No exceptions. So we don't have to deal with posting no hunting signs or paying a small fee with a town clerk

[@piquat1]

So if I have a friend I want to allow to hunt on my land, I have to fill out a little slip every single time he comes over?!?!

[@BarfusWOW]

@@piquat1 I don’t live in Ohio but I’m sure some document that says “I x give y access to hunt/trap whatever on my property at any time” would work provided both parties signed it although I don’t know if I would make that available to too many people

[@piquat1]

@@BarfusWOW You'd think that would be the case, but it wouldn't be the first time a law was written that had unintended consequences. Just depends on how it's worded I guess.

[@konsumterra1]

@@piquat1 you could write a wider period letter and state unlikely to pursue if the property owner ok

[@jarodwaite7509]

I would love this system in Vermont! As a landowner I dread hunting seasons (primarily deer hunting). To put the responsibility of posting on the landowner is insane. Way too much work to do it properly and any scumbag can trespass on your land??? Seems backwards to me.

[@katharinecampbell7799]

I grew up farming goats in Arkansas, and we had about 180 (fenced!!) acres of pasture and ~200 head of goats at the times. A new neighbor moved in with a bulldog who somehow found ways of getting into our pasture and harassing our goats. Needless to say, the five livestock guardian dogs (Anatolian shepherds) did not appreciate that. After pleading with our neighbors multiple times to get their dog under control, it was found dead one day in our pastures with an injured kid beside it. The Anatolians had caught it chasing babies and had killed it immediately. If a group of riled up dogs came into our land like that, there would be dead dogs by the end of the night - either the hunters' or ours. I don't think it's right that someone can rile up a pack of dogs, set them loose on your land, and then slough off any and all accountability for what they damage or destroy in the process. This is to say, I've signed the petition and am 100% with you- and think Toby dog may need some buddies in the future.

[@williamrobinson4265]

couldn't agree with you more there are countless incidents with untrained pet dogs across the country! MUCH rarer you pretty much never hear about incidents with hunting hounds anywhere in the world in comparison england still has a rich hunting hound tradition but pet pitbulls were banned under the dangerous dogs act and should be in america too. poorly trained dogs are a HUGE liability that do even more damage than coyotes

[@Local_custard]

@@williamrobinson4265 pitbulls are not inherently dangerous, this is false. They can make great family dogs (side note: the interaction between dogs and kids should be supervised if possible). I've seen countless pittys and most of the time they are some of the mostly playful and funny dogs. It is more an issue that bigger dogs need training in general. People get these dogs, treat them poorly, then expect them not to retaliate. Or they get these dogs without realizing what the breed requirements are. Or worse yet, they get these dogs with the intention of mistreating them and try escaping the consequences and blame it all on the dog.

[@MariaH20683]

@@Local_custardwhere you get pitbulls from? I read bulldog and bulldog does not necessarily mean pitbull.

[@gingerbaker4579]

@@williamrobinson4265 ROFL. Most dogs in the UK that are shot & killed for harassing livestock by farmers are typical pets which would be shepherds, collies, etc. A pair of Rottweilers were shot a few years ago. Collies & shepherds are shot. ... And American hounds are NOT pitbulls. Those dogs Morgan shows at 3:51 are Coonhounds & possibly Plott or Bluetick Hounds by their looks. Maybe even Foxhound crosses. ALL HOUNDS. Descendants of English & European hound-dogs. NOT PITBULLS.

[@kimrall7350]

@@Local_custard Livestock attacking/killing dogs are predictors, doesn't matter the breed. A friend of mine had a $40,000 champion ram killed by a dachshund hound. Bit it in the throat, and that was it. The dog was killed, and owner took it to its owner, of course the owner pressed charges, and my friend won....

[@rodneyferris4089]

I can’t fathom why these people can’t have the manners to ask a farmer if they may hunt on their land! Even if the law is permissive, good hunting manners are inalienable!

[@vgfreak4life]

If you ask, there is the possibility the owner says no. So they do what they want and if caught, apologize later/deny.

[@ellietobe]

@Jacko Sargs they have land owners register their poster land so that hunters have access to the information before they go out. Too bad they cannot be bothered to do that. It is public information.

[@KenS1267]

@Jacko Sargs Nonsense. If you come upon a fence line and you don't have permission you turn back. And what are you doing hunting land you know so poorly you don't know that there's a big chunk of land where you don't know the owner? You sound like exactly the sort of "hunter" (read poacher) that gives the rest of us a bad name.

[@Wasillian]

@Jacko Sargs lol

[@doloresreynolds8145]

@Jacko Sargs That is true, but if you regularly hunt in a certain area, it might be worthwhile to have plat maps to help identify owners.

[@seanhobbs3624]

It’s about respect. Like you said, they have GPS. They knew where they were. They didn’t control their dog. They should have apologized and asked permission to retrieve their hound. Plain and simple. Keep up the great content, Morgan.

[@skarzms]

'most' and by that I mean all the ones I know of or know, along with these GPS have multi functional collars, meaning they can do the same as any training collar, vibrate, noise, zap. Their dogs are trained in recall, just the scumbag we/goldshaw encountered clearly did not train his dogs to be obedient, which in the dog world is extremely unethical and dangerous when you are giving dogs jobs such as hunting/self protection. Like you said about respect. :(

[@dansmith9442]

Hell yeah brother!!

[@williamrobinson4265]

that's exactly what they did they apologized and asked permission to retrieve their hounds and Morgan was plain rude right off the bat disrespectful and has tried everything he can to entrap innocent people following the law and smear them with manipulative editing and storytelling techniques besides actually posting his property like the law says he is supposed to it's like he would rather have a public temper tantrum than do what everyone else in vermont and new hampshire do who have always lived here

[@Trythis837]

Literally exactly what they did.

[@seanhobbs3624]

If you come on my property in the middle of the night and wake me up, you have a lot of nerve expecting me to be polite.

[@nicolepelletier9081]

It's amazing that normal household pets need to be kept on a leash when going on a walk even if they're in their own yard in some cities, but in other places your dogs can be nearly a mile away from you and they're still "under control"

[@williamrobinson4265]

yes because they are not required to be working dogs professionally trained and licensed those pets you are talking about do way more damage to agriculture when they get off those leashes than trained hounds do look at the data for yourself your analysis is inherently flawed

[@mousepariah3884]

​@@williamrobinson4265 THere's also a huge difference between a working dog that is trained to stay and work on a property And a pack of animals being set loose in an unknown area with no control. So your arguement is also seriously flawed, these dogs may be working but they are not under control by any means and that is a problem.

[@thehappyaipom]

@@mousepariah3884 it's amazing the thin lines these people will tread to try and validate their point when it still comes down too, those dogs are a mile plus away and can run faster than any human, tracking or not, those dogs are a mile away from you, off leash, without those voices they are trained to listen to being anywhere near enough to hear. At that point those dogs on leashes that do more damage are still under more control than those trained dogs a mile away.

[@timscott2329]

Not amazing… what’s good for you and the rules you like re not the same for everyone else . What’s amazing is I have to point that out to you !

[@thehappyaipom]

@@timscott2329 oh no it is. Especially because funny enough we all follow the same rules. Can you explain how simply knowing the gps location of his dog's equates to being in control of them? I really don't think you can.

[@EricRush]

A solution to the disappearing signs is to reverse the posting. That is, any land NOT posted as OPEN is, by default, CLOSED.

[@the11382]

Sign dating is absurd.

[@victoriabaker4400]

Among the most bizarre of these Vermont laws is the fact that a landowner has to pay out good money every single year in order to legally post their land against interlopers. That is bogus.

[@darththeo]

It is designed that way on purpose. It is to make it harder for land owners to turn away people, which is stupid and dangerous.

[@williamrobinson4265]

GOOD MONEY its is literally so small the cost is not even measurable as a full percentage of their property tax!! this is an incredibly beautiful law that gives common citizens the right to roam across the natural landscape - you speak from a place of ignorance and have no clue what you are saying or how terrible it is unless of course you are an elitist capitalist who would see all land bought up and held privately and exclusively in which case why dont you also revoke your privilege to all the publicly held state and federal land in america

[@kavky]

@@williamrobinson4265 Oh sod off. You want to roam across natural landscape? Go in a public park or buy your own plot of land. Otherwise stay off private property or face the consequences of trespassing, commie. And for your knowledge I would gladly revoke my rights to use any and all public services and properties as long as I am no longer taxed for them? But as long as I am forced to pay taxes I am entitled to benefit from them.

[@astzfat3319]

@@kavky I don't respond to horse's patoots like the robinson creep. Often times these creatures get paid according to how many responses they get. So, in response to you - totally agreed! If that's how he feels, time to leave his front door open and keys in his vehicles. He's saying, what's mine is mine, AND what's YOURS is ALSO MINE!

[@littlemrpinkness295]

@@williamrobinson4265 Let's have random people invading YOUR property whenever it is convenient for THEM, disrupting YOUR privacy and interrupting the operation of YOUR business, and then tell YOU that YOU have no autonomy over YOUR property...

[@Frogmabonnie]

I'm amazed that driving around tracking your dog's location on a GPS is considered "having your dog under control".

[@MuskratOutdoors]

Without a tracking collar, you don't know where they are. With a collar, it's hard enough, but the dogs are hunting. That is what they are trained to do.

[@theoriginalabimation]

It seems absolutely ridiculous to me that the landowner has to go to such lengths to protect land they own when it can be as simple for the hunters as removing one sign on someones property to legally violate a landowners rights. It's like the law has been written to protect the hunters and not the landowners. It would frustrate me to no end, if I owned land in Vermont, to have someone "legally" traipsing through my land killing things willy nilly. I'm pretty left and come from somewhere where hound hunting has been effectively banned for about 10 years so I really can't understand it from the other side but even then the fact that it's so easy for hunters to ignore landowners wishes is insanity.

[@theoriginalabimation]

@Freddie Nerkury I watched the video... I was referring to the point where Morgan said he couldn't press charges for this violation because he wasn't registered from January the way he thought he was and that sometimes his signs go missing and that made everything that happened that night legal. That's what I think is ridiculous. That, through some dumb loophole that seems almost deliberately stupid, Morgan couldn't correctly protect his land.

[@theoriginalabimation]

@Freddie Nerkury I agree with you..? that was sort of my point to begin with... but Morgan said himself, in this video, that he could not press charges because the law about being posted was voided because his signs fell down.... which meant that as Vermont law saw it, the hunters were not in fact in breach of the regulations. I agree that the the hunters should have been punished and that Morgan should be able to press charges... As was the point of my post.

[@theoriginalabimation]

@Freddie Nerkury Yes that last response cleared that up but it would seem that the law doesn't agree here unfortunately. I guess I just don't understand why you'd telling me and not Morgan, if you think he has another chance at pressing charges with that angle

[@A_Casual_NPC]

I can see where the law is coming from. Property borders are most likely vague in Vermont. (I'm thinking this because people own comparatively large plots of land.) It be unfair for a hunter to be prosecuted for something like trespassing, because they accidentally stumbled into someone else their property. Its only fair if you think of it that way. Still, in situations like this, it probably also has unwanted consequences. I'm not trying to agree with the hunters, I despise hunting in general. I just want to make note of how I can see laws like this coming into effect.

[@CelestialScribbler]

@K. Magee Most people would rather have a middle ground between letting strangers use their property and killing human beings not issuing any immediate threat. It baffles me how excited some people are at the idea of legally killing outside actual self defense.

[@InspiredJJ]

Technically it is trespassing. Vermont failed you.

[@nunya3163]

The police got lazy. The moment he told them to leave, and they did not, they were guilty of criminal trespass.

[@thomasblaine3193]

I would tend to agree but we really need to read the law. How we think it works may not be the case. All property in that area might have clauses and ordinances that are substantially difrent then your area.

[@candicewdub2269]

@@thomasblaine3193 he is well versed in the laws and has signs posted along his property line

[@thomasblaine3193]

@Ryan Farnham updateing is the detail that people miss and why its critical to read the laws for your area. I can guaranty they're not what you expect. For example its illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk in my area. Yet kids do it all the time. Its all about legal protection against injury.

[@peep3616]

@Ryan Farnham He did specifically say he updates them annually (although I wouldn't doubt the hunters tearing them down thing). He mentioned that the updating requirement was prohibitive for older farmers and/or those who don't have the time.

[@DanielCPhillips]

I know how I would feel about armed trespassers invading my home, with a pack of dogs off leash, in the middle of the night. To be honest, I think you were a lot more level headed and restrained in your reponse, than I would be. I am sorry that you had to go through this.

[@williamrobinson4265]

actually they were hunters with a treed racoon following all laws even when they stepped on his land because he did not know the laws and was to lazy to post 34 signs for his 200 acres letting people know his property was no longer part of the common peoples right to roam

[@DanielCPhillips]

@@williamrobinson4265 I think we have reasonably established that you actually don't have a right to go on to someone's property without their express permission, just on basic common decency grounds alone. I am fairly sure that the no trespassing or hunting signs are very definitely up now, ( and I would contribute to a crowd funding effort if needed to get them so. ) I am sure Morgan has had a crash course on the law, on this subject of land ownership rights. To be honest, even though I am a supporter of responsible hunting and gun rights - even I can see how this kind of behaviour is wrong, dangerous and stupid. That anyone would suggest that allowing baying hounds, clearly outside of human control, to trespass on someone elses property, particularly a farm, without the owners express permission and foreknowledge , at the same going into their property at night with firearms, should be allowed in the name of tradition, to my mind, is proof that person is not responsible, sufficiently careful or considerate enough to be trusted with either dogs or firearms. Particularly when such activities pose risk to the livestock and lives of the people living on that property. If you shoot at something in the dark, particularly with a high enough calibre to humanely take down something the size of a bear , a pig or elk and you miss - (a not entirely unknown result, with a fleeing animal that can outrun a human, particularly a non Olympic running fit one, like our old mate Butch who turned up 'coincidentally' only weeks later after this video) - that bullet can reasonably travel hundreds of yards further into the dark where you cannot see. Potentially through the wall of a house, killing a child sleeping in their bed. Is the probability that might happen low? Perhaps it is. It it also a real possibility? Absolutely. Is your life, the life of your wife, kids, family or livestock worth putting at risk, for the hobby pleasure of people you don't know, who cannot have the basic decency to even ask to come on your property, before doing it? NEVER!

[@tysonbraumberger7668]

@@williamrobinson4265 in the previous video he show pics of post signs with 2017 on them and he stated that he every year he updated the sign dates and informed the county clerk, which is the exact legal requirements.

[@updown5238]

@@williamrobinson4265 He posted signs you dingbat, that's twice i've heard you spout nonsense.

[@AvidExpert]

@@updown5238 William is one of the hunters, he's replying very defencively to everyone.

[@kaylo9600]

I'm sure in the last trespassing video, Morgan said the hunters told him "we can't control our dogs"... Well if they can't be controlled, then they are not well trained & should not be allowed out off leash... I get in trouble if my dog runs off leash & DOES listen to commands. So why is it okay for hunting dogs who don't listen?? I wonder who gets the blame when some landowner shoots the dogs who are running wild on their land? It would be totally justified, in my opinion

[@Shridra]

Here where I live we can get a nuisance license, which allows you to shoot at any animal that threatens safety on your property. I can imagine that a dog at loose would fall under that, so the whole hound argument wouldn't work here!

[@kaylo9600]

@@Shridra It should be that way everywhere!

[@khancrow8212]

sounds like you live and are used to the city....When they fuck have you ever seen a hunting dog or farm dog or yard dog on a leash??? And yes if a dog is running loose and is causing problems it gets shot because most states recognize private property laws...

[@MaryMaguire01]

@@Shridra Most states have that law, the hunters should be grateful that Morgan did not shoot first then ask questions.

[@kristinb5121]

Morgan would not want to shoot an animal. He wants to change the law to deter the human, not the dog who can’t read the sign.

[@GurtGobain]

Letting 20 dogs loose is the equivalent of hunting with a grenade launcher or just wildly spraying a machine gun in the general direction of animals.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

So it's fair for poaching invasive hogs?

[@uzi1951]

Just saying, maybe it is done to train young dogs on what they want them to do.

[@Wasillian]

@@uzi1951 that makes no sense. These dogs aren’t trained. Ask any vet that’s had to treat hunting dogs. They’re borderline feral.

[@KenS1267]

@@Wasillian Bullshit. I grew up with an uncle who trained hunting dogs. Bad hunters may have bad dogs. Good hunting dogs are very well trained.

[@Wasillian]

@@KenS1267 tell that to the entire hunting community of NW Colorado. Wife’s a vet who works on lion dogs all the time. She doesn’t have feeling in half her left hand. But I appreciate your input.

[@JDseller1]

I am not surprised by how the hunters acted on your farm. I live in North-East Iowa, the local hunters are about 50/50 fairly good caretakers. The city dwellers and out of state hunters are just about 100% slobs. I rarely let anyone non family hunt our land. It all is posted and fenced too. I get damaged fence by hunters cutting it to let their dog through. I used to get gates left open so I now keep them all chained and padlocked. Now I get gates pulled down with pickups and chains. The law rarely does anything to any of the trespassing here. We have an over population of deer and raccoons here but I will stand that damage over dealing with the discourteous and irresponsible hunters of today. I hunted from a young age and just quit when I could not stand to walk the hills any longer. Long before it was law here I always had written permission from all of the landowners I hunted on. Always gave them some of the meat too. I would go do some work for the ones that did not want any wild game meat. That was just how it used to be. P.S. A fellow going by Matt York is on here posting how your story is not what happened. I would like him to back that up with some fact if he dares.

[@StartledOctopus]

A big sign saying "UNCONTROLLED DOGS WILL BE SHOT" with smaller text "That endanger and scare livestock" will probably keep people away from your farm NOT THAT I'm saying Morgan would shoot a mistreated animal. Far from it. But if those entering your property from the road think you're willing to, then maybe they'll think twice on coming back to that neck of the woods

[@ShealynnGiltner]

Amen!!! brilliant!

[@andrewrivera4029]

My neighbor has a standing rule: all unaccompanied dogs are shot on site, no questions asked.

[@hithere5553]

@@andrewrivera4029 that’s kind of harsh. What if it’s a lost stray?

[@andrewrivera4029]

@@hithere5553 think…

[@tarantellalarouge7632]

you will have to take care because hunters are armed, willing to use their guns and quick to revenge and retaliation. Here in France, a good share of foul play, bizarre accidents and dogs poisonning are "hunting" collateral damages.

[@bernadettefuson1678]

We used to raise sheep here in Wisconsin. I can't imagine the nightmare of having people with loose running dogs invading our property in the middle of the night. I wouldn't have been surprised if any of the farmers would have come out shooting. Our dogs might have been injured or even killed. The sheep were usually bred in Fall and disruption like that would have caused many to lose their lambs. We had out of state hunters roaming the area and often driving across fields. Wisconsin finally went with us not having to post (like you said, signs often vanished) but all land being considered as off limits. We had the same philosophy as you regarding coyotes and never had a problem. You have my sympathies, those "dog hunters" are just barbarians.

[@victoriabaker4400]

Yes. What I commented on the previous video was that Vermont's laws around this are totally weird and not common among all the states. I would be infuriated. And in California and other states I've lived, if a dog is harassing farm animals, including guarding dogs, and/or wildlife, such a dog may be legally shot dead on the spot.

[@markyork3095]

@Freddie Nerkury not the truth there was only one dog on his property and zero guns were in play this is a drama filled with lots of misconceptions about what truly happened when people lie things get very twisted and that is whats going on here i was there you can reach out and i will tell you the real story

[@deirdre9021]

I am so surprised that Vermont makes it so difficult for landowners to prevent people from coming on to their land. To have to jump through all those hoops to keep your land private and safe is a huge burden for farmers.

[@sandraringener4968]

I am guessing non of the property owners were there when that bill was discussed.

[@williamrobinson4265]

that is like the tiniest hoop a landowner of almost 200 acres has to jump through - owning that much land is a lot of responsibility and posting 34 signs is not even a fraction of a percent of the yearly effort or cost grow up

[@williamrobinson4265]

@@sandraringener4968 classist

[@Trythis837]

It’s an open access state. Vermonters don’t want private property types in their state.

[@tysonbraumberger7668]

@@williamrobinson4265 in the previous video he show pics of post signs with 2017 on them and he stated that he every year he updated the sign dates and informed the county clerk, which is the exact legal requirements.

[@FunningRast]

It’s illegal in Vermont to: 1. Not leave when trespassed by the property owner 2. Hunt raccoons out of season 3. Use ANY light while hunting except to illuminate a treed raccoon Posting signs be damned they should be cited and fined for the other violations.

[@markyork3095]

you really need to reseach a little better training season starts july 1 in vermont so it was not out of season and no animals are killed and the hunters did not trespass and did leave

[@bigO26]

@@markyork3095 no technically you're wrong, a little research will indicate why.

[@ingeborgm6147]

@@markyork3095 Anyone other than law enforcement, neighbor or friend showing up on a farm after 9:00pm can expect NOT to be welcome. Should strangers show up after 11;00 pm they can expect a loaded gun pointed at them out of a window while they explain their visit. I think that goes all over the world for those who live in the country where you don't exactly have 'next door" neighbors. We have all heard of crimes committed to farm families who opened their doors to assist strangers. To be expected to post annual no trespassing signs every 400 feet is a punishment for landowners!! Do you have a picture of Stalin on your courthouse? Okay ...admit it and change your address to Stalingrad , Vermont! The whole situation sounds bizarre especially the fact you feel like apologizing for not having been very polite to these people. That too??? In Vermont it is YOUR fault when hunters go on land that is not theirs? How does that fly? Perhaps it is all the fees they collect for hunting permits? It usually is :Follow The Money! I don't know how much organizing you can do with your landowners, but I think that would be the only way to be an end to this nonsense.

[@njalsand133]

Going around in the middle of The night making a ruckus on other peoples property is asking for an accident.

[@chadcloud5491]

you do have the right to pursue your game across posted lines.

[@davidchester429]

I'm from the UK and genuinely can't believe that in a country where people have guns you'd go trespassing on someone else's land. I quite appreciate having a body without holes

[@jasminecollins897]

That's a big part of the insanity of the US legal system and gun culture. Part of the reason for those weird overlaps is because there have always been a lot of unwritten rules about who has a right to shoot and who has to be afraid of getting shot. For example, it's legal to protect your home with a gun if people break in. *But* the police are still legally allowed to break in without announcing themselves, and then they can shoot you and/or prosecute you for attacking them. And the reason the NRA has no problem with that double standard, is because there's an unwritten expectation that the police will only do that to people of color and other people that the average conservative white person doesn't care about.

[@jasminecollins897]

And for example out in the country, you might technically have the right to shoot at someone who wanders onto your property, but your neighbors who want to hunt like this will probably expect that you'd only do that to "strangers" which is generally code for anyone who looks different from the locals. Or they'd have social signals that people who grew up in the area would know, and non-locals wouldn't. Etc. And these double standards were often explicitly established at the time they went into place to make it easier to harm minorities and get away with it. We literally still have unofficial sundown towns, where black people are not safe if the sun goes down and they're still there. That stuff was all established intentionally, and then also intentionally made vague so that they couldn't be easily held accountable for it.

[@n.d.m.515]

Everything that Jasmine just said is an absolute lie.

[@jasminecollins897]

@@n.d.m.515 Nope. It's not.

[@joellewis6086]

​@@jasminecollins897 You are literally arguing against the legitimacy of an entire set of political positions( or at a minimum, of any and all effective centers of advocacy for those positions) not on the basis of the positions themselves, but rather the perceived moral inferiority, double standards, and 'real' intentions of their advocates. You are out and out suggesting that no informed person would hold the positions you object to with good intent, solely on the basis of the culture you put around the issue. How likely is an argument that discredits ideas on the basis of the company they keep to lead to truth? Personally, it strikes me as an excellent way to _block_ our ability to learn, including about ourselves. *shrug*

[@jasonpatterson8091]

Pack hounds, definitely no way. A guy with a beagle or two hunting rabbits, totally different story. Not saying that such a dog shouldn't be used in a way that is respectful of property boundaries, but it's definitely not the same situation (and I don't think that you would say it was). I'm actually a falconer, and I'm continually concerned with where my bird can fly off to. It's absolutely nothing to them to just wing it 1/4 mile because they want to be on the other side of a field or something. It makes picking places to hunt tricky to say the least.

[@nofinn1044]

I’ve had falconers on my property multiple times - I am also the daughter and wife of falconers. I don’t engage in the practice, as personally I find it unnecessary. It’s not hard to stay off a private property. My father and husband managed to do it.

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

I read this as "two hunting rabbits" and had to pause for a moment. Like 'well, I guess they have good noses but surely they're not fast enough???'

[@Dr_V]

You made me remember an odd encounter with a falconer while hunting pigeons with a couple of friends. The guy came rushing towards us, extremely worried about the safety of his bird. We explained to him that we'd never shoot a falcon, domesticated or wild and we could quite easily distinguish it from a pigeon or any other game birds that may be flying around. That's when I found out that there are idiots out there intentionally shooting down eagles and falcons "for fun". Most of these predatory birds are protected by law around here, so I don't know what "fun" there is in killing a rare bird that you can't even use for anything really. Anyways, we ended up pausing our hunt for a while just for the opportunity to admire that falcon up close, it's not something you can see every day around here.

[@snakesonaframe2668]

@@Dr_V I work with wildlife rehabilitation and rescue centers. One of them has THREE bald eagles that were shot on purpose. None of them will ever fly again. I’ve seen falcons and hawks shot “for fun” as well. It makes me want to chop off those idiots limbs and see how they like it. I’m training for falconry myself. If someone shot my bird, they wouldn’t be leaving the woods in anything other than handcuffs.

[@micah06v8]

A suggestion to combat the missing signs. I know it's a pain in the butt to drag a ladder with you; but if you put the signs just out of reach of someone being able to rip it down by hand, I'm willing to bet fewer of them going missing.

[@kristiathehalfling5358]

Ive. seen where some are in a plexiglass cases that has to be unlocked by a key

[@VeginMatt]

Great idea, and maybe he should make sure at least a couple of his trail cams near potential entry points are hidden higher too and angled in the direction of signs.

[@micah06v8]

@@kristiathehalfling5358 that's a good idea, the only problem is with as much land as he has that would get very expensive!

[@vincetravis8701]

Maybe Vermont needs to implement the, "purple marker," law. There's one in Missouri and basically how it works is anything that is artificially purple has the same grounds as a no hunting/trespassing sign. This means that even if there isn't an explicit, "No trespassing," the property owner can still make you leave (and you can still actually be charged for trespassing if the owner pursues it) if there is a fence post, tree trunk, or barrel painted purple. Part of the reason for this being a thing in Missouri is because of issues with property owners having their signs ripped off and not really being able to hang them high due to it being easy to not see/find. With purple markers it makes it next to impossible for trespassers to just simply get rid of it due to the markers being painted on a permanent structure.

[@micah06v8]

@@vincetravis8701 Texas is like that too. I think he said Maine also has that. That method makes the most sense to me. That way somebody can't claim that they didn't see it or they can't read or any number of other idiotic excuses they can come up with. Best of all, it can't just "disappear".

[@TheMedic512]

Texas has a purple paint law. I utilize It on my property. That said the burden of permission should be on the hunter, prior to crossing a fence they do not have express permission to cross. I'm not sure banning hound hunting is the answer, but the posting laws and property rights for landowners for sure need an update.

[@SootHead]

As a small farmer myself, I've had experience with trespassers and trespassing hunters here in the midwest. It took some time but after friendly conversations and a few confrontations, the word seems to have gotten around and it's been quite some time since the last incident. I don't have specific advice for you other than persistence and to unfailingly protect your property rights as defined by law. If the problem is as big in Vermont as it seems, using your platform and getting state and local government involved seems like a good step as well. What has happened to you definitely comes under the heading of bovine scatology.

[@bluefish239]

Honestly I don't think this is an issue that has to have any kind of political leaning, having someone show up on your property without permission, with guns and dogs that they can't even control, at *any time of the day* and disrupting your livestock and family would bother anyone, and brings up a lot of issues of safety both for your family and your livestock. I think realistically the best thing to try and change right now would be the posting laws, so that someone can post their property lines in a way that is more permanent, less onerous, and can't be simply pulled off and thrown away by a hunter who knows how to skirt around the current laws. Yeah, dogs don't read and changing the posting laws won't stop them, but it's a good first step to being able to deter the owners of those dogs.

[@DocNo27]

"I don't think this is an issue that has to have any kind of political leaning" thank you - it's just common sense. Which is far from common these days :p

[@tallUNLIMITED]

Yeah, I thought that was a weird thing to say. Left-leaning people don't believe in property rights apparently lol

[@dmo7815]

Here in Indiana, raccoons are a real problem. I use dog proof foot traps . Last year I cought 40 this year 10. I’m trying to help turkey and birds . No more pheasant or quail or Whiporwills here any more. A few rabbits.

[@bluefish239]

@@dmo7815 I'm not really sure how what you said is relevant to my post.

[@davidchester429]

@@tallUNLIMITED well considering most left wing people believe in the theft..... Sorry I meant "redistribution" of other people's property it is a totally valid point

[@Rose-bi2rg]

That's so weird that those people had the audacity to get mad when they're the ones trespassing.

[@SuzysRedStripes]

Of course lol

[@jfm14]

@@nhoff6858 This. 100% this.

[@RayChillOut]

If someone tried to guilt me into being allowed to hunt on my land, I'd tell them get to stepping so I can hunt them. These people aren't hunting to survive, they're lazily & barbarically hunting for sport. Ridiculous you should have to jump through any hoops, in any states, just to keep people off your property.

[@jansmith5893]

I think what these people are barbaric and am glad I don't live in your country

[@xMythStarx]

Agreed

[@adoptmustangandtravelwillo9939]

I own a coonhound. Two and a half years ago I went to a livestock auction and saw some people dump her...in the middle of traffic. I picked her up, out of the way of a loaded stock trailer that was backing up, and the breeders that dumped her came up to me. They cheerfully told me her breeding and how old she was (7 weeks) and then left me with the puppy. They shrugged of the fact that they had just abandoned a puppy to either be picked up or crushed under tires. I took her home. We do not hunt and as I did research on coonhound I found it shocking that here in Pennsylvania it is common for hunters to tie their dogs to a tree and leave it to die or to shoot it and replace it when it slows down at around 4 years old. This dog of mine does not hunt, will never be abandoned or shot, she is a very loved house dog, and I'm training her for scent work so she can use her natural instinct. I personally think hunters treat their coonhounds horribly. Those hunters were lucky you didn't shoot their dogs...a lot of farmers would have

[@FiredAndIced]

Which is why I smirk at people still thinking "hunting is tradition," because the accessory industry, the dog breeding industry, is pretty negligent in their own manner of managing hunting dogs.

[@emberrain7050]

We just lost a dog to cancer that we got when someone dumped it. By just lost, I mean she died last night. It's never the dog's fault. Shoot the owners, not the dogs.

[@DiannaAngela]

What a lucky dog she is, to have been found by you ❤️

[@lindascott3973]

@@emberrain7050 so sorry. Its awful losing a beloved pet. Hope it helps to think what a great life your dog had with you.

[@DawnDBoyerPhD]

That is so irresponsible! And sad - glad you adopted her.

[@dapaine2193]

I hunt in peacham and if a sing is up any respectful hunter wouldn't cross on to it to hunt. If you can't control your dogs you shouldn't be able to let them run free

[@billabney243]

Imagine how fast you could drive to work if all you had to do was occasionally take down the speed limit signs on your route. Yeah, those signs will "magically disappear".

[@kerfluffle3781]

I wonder if painting the edge of your sign overlapping with the tree with purple paint would help. That way if the sign gets ripped down by hunters you can show where the sign was. Also it'll make it easier to identify which trees you sign when you need to replace them.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

The biggest problem with this whole situation is regardless of hunting laws it came down to multiple armed men refusing to leave private property in the middle of the night while the police were a half hour out. I think they didn’t understand how close they came to justifying lethal use of force, even in New England.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Pretty much. And I bet if Morgan had a trusty ol' scattergun with him, they would've been singing a wildly different tune. Scumbags don't regard laws, but they sure fear being put on the ground.

[@Wasillian]

@@Tanks_In_Space it comes down to belligerence and refusal to leave that starts this argument. Trespassing no, not leaving your property at 3:00am because they have a “right” to be there with 20 dogs, 4+ armed people themselves while your livelihood is the land you live on, with your wife asleep in your home behind you? It clearly is about more than simple trespassing.

[@lynnproffitt8917]

Dutchman, you sound like so many rude ignorant people now days. This is his source of food and income, how about I show up in YOUR kitchen at 2am for a snack, but wait this is why I live in TX. and own a firearm. It is all about perspective based on who's garden or frig you are stealing from. You will only get to enter my ranch one time.....you will not tresspass and walk away.

[@Wasillian]

@@Tanks_In_Space lol I’m not trying to start an argument there Dutch guy. I’d love to see how you would react in this situation.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

@@Tanks_In_Space they stuck around to argue for 20 minutes. I get you’re trying to make a political point but there’s a billion times in history armed dudes show up at your farm in the middle of the night and it gets violent. You stay in your other country and troll, better hope the US doesn’t pull of the airforce base in your country next lol. Make fun but the whole world collapses without my country. You’re welcome.

[@hasriel2005]

I completely support hunting for land management - here in Scotland, we need it to keep the deer in check. Vermont hound hunting looks like fox hunting in the UK - people using dogs to terrify and kill wildlife.

[@charlottemajewski5992]

Armed stranger with a pack of excited dogs trespassing on your land, gee what could possibly go wrong. This should be straight up illegal.

[@RoseThistleArtworks]

"control of the dog" is the key. If that is in the legalese, there is no way someone 4-9 miles away from a pack of dogs has control of their dog. Division of Wildlife could impound all equipment, including trucks and dogs if poaching is happening. Poaching has been frowned upon forever. Does DOW really want to go national/international in defense of poaching?

[@markyork3095]

no poaching here dogs where not 3 to 4 miles away

[@rei_cirith]

I agree. Okay, maybe you made a mistake and trespassed by accident, but the fact that your dogs don't come when called and are terrorizing said land is absolutely unacceptable. Not only is it causing harm to the landowner, but it is extremely dangerous for the dogs. It's so incredibly irresponsible, I'm surprised it's not considered negligence at the very least.

[@Night-ud4ew]

As a more 'left leaning friend' - you ABSOLUTELY didn't shock/offend me with the "property being crossed" talk, and ANY left leaning person - WHO IS RATIONAL-BRAINED and sensible - would join me in 100% agreement with you. Yeah maybe "what IS property?" in our viewpoints might be a bit different in certain aspects, but TRESPASSING into your farm? Onto your land? LITERALLY WITHIN EARSHOT OF YOUR BEDROOM - that is absolutely and total bullshit, and sensible left-leaning people - whatever label they call themselves or dont call themselves - will 10000% agree that's NOT a hunter's -or anyone's- "right", trespassing in ANYONE'S backyard is not your right to do so, or your dogs. ANYWHERE else but the middle of the forest and that'd be something someone got FINED or spent jail time for, or even got their dogs EUTHANIZED because they were deemed dangerous as their owners couldnt control them.

[@xMythStarx]

Agreed. Especially in a scenario like this where people and livestock can easily be directly harmed by loose dogs or livestock guardian dogs doing their jobs. This was not agreed to be a shared land with the hunters. Yes the whole thing about the concept of private property and property in general is a mess of its own and a complicated thing to figure out, the current system is built a certain way, and regardless of property laws, situations like this are BS, and again- ENDANGER PEOPLE AND ANIMALS FROM ALL SIDES. so yeah I agree with you here, it’s not like this man is a rich CEO of a corporation or factory, he tends to the farm himself, this is literally his livelihood. What he’s doing is necessary for his survival, MF RACCOON hunting by random mfs who are hunting for sport with their GPS hounds is NOT necessary for those peoples survival, and endangers lives. So yeah. Regardless of stance on property, this is absolutely ridiculous that anyone thinks it’s okay. If your “hunting dogs” can’t be controlled with simple commands and don’t return when they are called. Then they’re horribly trained or barely at all, trained. Something like that is so simple to teach a dog, even if it’s a hunting dog.

[@nofascists]

I agree. I don't see where "left leaning" has anything to do with the price of tea in China in this situation.

[@deno.520]

The hunting laws, especially the hound hunting laws, seem nothing short of absurd to me. I love your resolve and determination! If I was a US citizen, my name would be first on that petition. Good luck!

[@georgepeterthony9011]

I'm a hunter but I have never hunted for sport, only for food and to cull many of the invasive species that are destroying our bush and decimating our native bird life in New Zealand. In the case of the former I would never use dogs but in the case of the later dogs make a lot of sense because dogs are so efficient at finding prey. Mainly because controlling invasive species like Boar, Deer, Possums, rats, weasels and other mustelidae is pretty much do or die to the point where what is practically state of war exists between us to preserve all of our endangered species of fauna and Flora. But at the same time if you did hunt for sport it kind of takes a lot of the work and fun out of it, I guess Historically speaking stuff like fox hunting was a cultural thing that was intentionally horrific to get the privileged upper classes used to seeing blood and gore so they would be ready to lead during times of war, and we have just carried on doing it since.

[@artgreen6915]

@@georgepeterthony9011 At least fox hunting was traditionally on horseback so you kept up with the hounds rather than tracking them with GPS from afar.

[@jaxonbrannon9419]

@@georgepeterthony9011 most hound hunters use the animals they kill. It’s a bunch of uneducated people in these comments judging all houndsman because of freak situations.

[@nunya3163]

Posting laws aside, the moment that you instructed that guide to leave, and he refused, he was guilty of criminal trespass. I suggest pointing that out to the police, and demand that the guide be cited for it.

[@chrisbaldwin8570]

I think most courts would find the retrieval of the dogs more in the interest of the public good than the guide immediately vacating the property. There are similar cases were livestock have wandered into neighboring lands and when the owner was trespassed trying to retrieve the animals courts tended to find that lose animals are more dangerous for the community and the animal's well-being than the temporary burden the trespass causes.

[@nunya3163]

@@chrisbaldwin8570 I would as well. However, at that point, you end the hunt, and ASK permission to retrieve the animal.

[@markyork3095]

@@nunya3163 the hunt had ended the lone dog was being retrieved to eliminate the intrusion the video tells an untrue version

[@molybdomancer195]

@@markyork3095 you know it was untrue? Were you there?

[@peggyisme]

@@markyork3095 Were you one of the hunters? is that why you are so argumentative?

[@kazamenetworks7046]

Regarding the signs that go missing, is it legal to use metal signs with an replacable sticker indicating the posting date? Would be a bit more expensive to get started, but then year after year you'd only have to replace the date stickers on the signs, and they'd hopefully be less likely to disappear on their own.

[@121hearc]

90% of the time "missing" signs are hunters taking them down so metal signs would just result in a higher cost

[@goreandhoodies3626]

@@121hearc ya I wonder if you can hook up cameras in a way hunters can't see them but you could see them take it down

[@LiminalQueenMedia]

@@goreandhoodies3626 the issue with that is that he and many other farmers own tens to hundreds of acres and maintaining a camera network for catching hunters would be financially and time management wise onerous.

[@ClaudiusDK]

Warning some asshats will remove boundry markers and "no trespassing/no hunting" signs on purpose to try and avoid some major legal problems by claiming the place wasn't proberly marked as an excuse to trespass to hunt. So might be a good idea to check up on any boundry markers and signs more often if it seems like these people might return.

[@rei_cirith]

At that rate, land owners might as well hire and post trail cameras on the land boundaries. How do you possibly prove any of it unless you catch these people in the act?

[@susanculp3745]

Yes, they do. It is infuriating.

[@yadayada752]

Even though the purple paint isn't legal, use it to mark an x below every sign posted.

[@ClaudiusDK]

@@yadayada752 It is legal to mark trees with paint, just doesn't count as a legal boundry marker. But yeah, do the paint aswell, since its still harder to ignore, and harder to remove. Extra boundry marking can't hurt.

[@Assault_corgi]

also on that note. Maybe invest in trail cams for those posted signs to catch anyone taking them down.

[@darkravenrose938]

I was raised in Ohio where my dad had hunting dogs. But my father never took a whole pack of dogs anywhere. He only ever took his favorite well-trained dog that was called back and maybe a training dog. And even then he was hunting squirrels. Anything else he went by himself. Now I live in Texas and we have the purple spray paint property owner border law. It's pretty convenient.

[@tunkiyo]

Though I don't like hunting, that is how real hound hunting should be~ also smart idea with the purple pray paint

[@mikelouis9389]

Growing up in Pennsylvania I was always of the impression that hunting dogs were bird dogs for pheasants and retrievers and the occasional beagle for rabbits. Packs of dogs? I thought that only the English were that barbaric!

[@darkravenrose938]

@@mikelouis9389 well my dad raised Mountain Feist dogs. And they were squirrel dogs because they're really small and slim built and they have a very gentle demeanor. So they're not like a hound.

[@michelecaron]

We use spray paint and signs….carrying a long gun helps too.

[@derekhowe672]

@@mikelouis9389 same I was raised in Virginia and most of the hunting dogs here are water fowl dogs or hounds for game smaller than boars. I haven’t met many that have packs of dogs and most are respectful of private property

[@starchertk]

Our leaders have forgotten their constituents. Good luck with this, you guys are amazing.

[@williamrobinson4265]

by constituents do you mean the rich people who bought up all the land and moved here or the people who grew up here?

[@AvidExpert]

​@@williamrobinson4265 By the people who grew up here do you mean Native Indians or the white people that just took it from them? If we did things the "good old way" William, you wouldn't be in the middle/upper class. You'd be a poor peasant.

[@catinthehat5140]

@@williamrobinson4265 it doesn't matter, everyone is equal.

[@yes.1671]

Morgan: Toby! Show us how smart you are! Toby: *walks a phew steps* Morgan: THIS IS THE SMARTEST DOG EVER!!! 😂😂

[@miladwolfster4309]

He is 😂

[@rodgarttragdor2807]

yet I don't mind it. Toby is too cute

[@yes.1671]

@@rodgarttragdor2807 to true, he will never do bad 😊

[@filomenadabatos6614]

Love U Toby... a very responsible dog

[@sadiemae2802]

Toby is the Star!

[@jamest18]

I live in Maine and my family has a relatively small patch of land with some pretty dense woods surrounding the house. To prevent hunters and really anyone we don't want on our land, we take those metal posted signs and screw them to pieces of treated wood that we then nail to the tree with one nail. That way, as the tree grows, the sign doesn't fall. We also use a ladder and hang them 8 to 10 feet off the ground to prevent people taking them down and claiming not to have seen them. I don't know how this system could be translated for your circumstances with needing to update them every year, but it's worked wonders for us.

[@malva4838]

Hound hunting seems far closer to poaching than hunting. Especially with GPS tracking

[@THEBROKEWOODSMAN]

Uh how...not like we've been hunting like that thousands of years 💀

[@PeaJayers]

Blade Holliday humans also have done other terrible stuff like child marriage and slavery for thousands of years? Just cause a practice is old doesn't make it right

[@elimanning6520]

@@PeaJayers wrong

[@elimanning6520]

Na you have no clue what your talking about child

[@malva4838]

@@THEBROKEWOODSMAN GPS trackers have been around how long now? Also, society changes.

[@flicdabic]

Where I live, people stay off others' property because it's totally legal for the owner to just shoot you if they "feel threatened" or if your dog looks like it's charging at you or your livestock. Of course, I do live in Texas where a law just came into effect yesterday that made conceal carry legal for everyone whether they know how to handle a gun or not.

[@_Chessa_]

This is what it’s like in West Virginia. After living in Cali so long it’s like I was entering a different world. •_• I was scared the first time I saw it but got super used to it.

[@hounslowparks2469]

You know Hal Lawton is emailing the Governor to tell him..."Dude, it's way easier to deal with Morgan. When he say's he's persistent he kinda means it"

[@bigrikstube]

Thanks for the update. Glad you and your's are safe. I did NOT research hound hunting but "this one has a 9 mile range and this one has a 4 mile range"; REALLY?? I, for one, have NEVER, EVER, EVER, in my life, seen a leash 4 miles long. Control of your hounds means control dammit not a satellite "there you are" ping. I use bird dogs, sometimes meat dogs (look it up) and they are in voice command control at all times; period.

[@blacktipgaming2098]

Passing bills often takes a lot of time so it might be smart to just make your property annoying for hunters by planting some plants with thorns and building a few places where animals can hide when they're being chased. You cant prevent them from entering but you can prevent them from satisfying their sick fantasies on your property.

[@THEBROKEWOODSMAN]

Snowflake

[@vectorohyeah1163]

@@THEBROKEWOODSMAN wut

[@makokx7063]

@@THEBROKEWOODSMAN Snowflake because he doesn't think people should be allowed on private property without permission or snowflake for not getting off to dogs ripping an animal to shreds?

[@Cloverkitty]

@@makokx7063 Don't expect a decent/coherent reply. Clearly he speaks caveman.

[@makokx7063]

@@Cloverkitty Assumed it was just at troll to begin with but just thought I'd throw out some clarification, even if only to die in the ether.

[@kosopaty]

This sound so absurd. I think comparing it to dog fighting instead of actual hunting hits the point perfectly. You put your own dogs into danger, you outright torture wild animal to death and it seems like most of the time the goal of such "hunt" is not getting meat or pelts or anything really hunting related, but "fun" - very primitive, cruel kind of "fun", exactly like in dog fights. But even if you dont care about stress it puts on wildlife in area or wellbeing of animals in general, the idea of hoard of fired up dogs just roaming uncontrollably is horrid. What if someone is camping in those woods? What if they have own animals with them that will trigger the dogs? What if dogs slip and actually attack human? Hunter should be in sight and voice reach of a dog if we want to talk about any kind of "control". Also is anyone checking how well trained those dogs are? Properly trained dogs can be wonderful partners... Not properly trained dogs, additionally fired up by adrenaline of the hunt, can turn into murder horde. Its same kind of idiocy as with people pretending their poorly trained pets are guiding dogs, but instead of dog peeing in the restaurant, dog will eventually maul someones kid.

[@goreandhoodies3626]

Exactly and half the time it's for no reason ...they mostly go after raccoons which aren't that bad they mostly just knock over trash cans and dig up gardens for food ....which could be solved by a lock on the trash can or put a fence (electric) around your garden like farmers do the same for other animals and bears half the time they aren't that bad as long as you have a fence (electric) around places they could harm things

[@platedlizard]

It reminds me of the old sport of bear or bull baiting. When they were outlawed that’s when dog fighting started.

[@realdiddyboo]

Trespassing is trespassing. Theres no reason even with signs or not that a group of people coming on your property at midnight is legal.

[@Aesoporific]

"That sign can't stop me! I can't read!" - Hound, probably.

[@pwade8080]

I’m an avid deer hunter and I would never trespass. The “must be Posted Rule” simply makes the landowner go to some effort to post his land. NH is the same. Even when posted many landowners will allow you to hunt to hunt if you ask politely and appear to be a responsible hunter.

[@wilsonweiseng6485]

i can understand deer hunting and turkey hunting, but bear hunting and racoon hunting? what is wrong with you people

[@coyotetrickster5758]

@@wilsonweiseng6485 Basically the numbers need to be controlled and hunters provide that. The problem arises when scientist are ignored in favor or culture of hunting.

[@coyotetrickster5758]

requiring yearly updated postings and registrations puts a bit higher requirements to the land owners when you have to cover a few hundred acres. Presenting yourself as a responsible hunter is fine, but hunting in the middle of the night without such, and giving the land owner guff is another story. Land owner asks you to leave, it should be end of story, with or without postings, and time of hunting other people's property should be an issue as well, shots in the middle of the night with your animals going nuts and loose dogs everywhere...isn't exactly what the vast majority of land owners would tolerate.

[@wilsonweiseng6485]

@@coyotetrickster5758 even by cultural hunting goes, what they did is wrong. That hunting in the video is just straight bullying

[@pstill9618]

@@coyotetrickster5758 And when the hunters show up in the middle of the night with a pack of barking dogs. The hunters don't seem to realize, or care that the people living around that area still have to sleep, 'cause being late for work or your child falling asleep at scholl is not a good thing. Perhaps a law change saying that all hunting MUST end by Midnight, like deer hunting is before dark, would be fair.

[@SIGINT007]

Those tracking collars mostly use the VHF MURS channels. The frequencies are readily available on the internet. Get some high powered radios to not only do your own counterintelligence, but you can also jam the signal from the collar if the dogs are in your immediate area.

[@lauriegentry7764]

In Nevada where I live, landowner and livestock owner has absolute right legally to shoot a dog that enters its property unleashed. Not that we randomly kill trespassing canines, in fact we usually adopt/keep said dogs because those trespassing owners are guilty of animal abuse.

[@jimputnam2044]

Years ago when I lived in the country I dreaded hunting season. People walking through your yard even parking in your driveway. I had a long narrow field that bordered on a brook for about 200 yards. All kinds of deer in the area, also all kinds of hunters breaking the law. It is against the law to shoot from the roadway or within a certain distance of a dwelling. I cant even guess at how many deer that was shot from the road within 100 ft. of my house. I feel your pain.

[@kirstenriggs4586]

@Freddie Nerkury Morgan needs to see this

[@brianogorman916]

@Freddie Nerkury What a bunch of BS. Black bear houndsmen cannot be paid for guiding. Go educate yourself.

[@winisqm]

I support your private land rights. I agree with you. I have written to your Governor. Good Luck.

[@chatchienne]

Oscar Wilde said it about fox hunting and it applies here: “The unspeakable in full pursuit of the inedible”.

[@BlackJesus8463]

fr

[@aurora4218]

The idea that a hunting dog wouldn't need to go through a licensing process to verify that it's sufficiently trained to not attack people or livestock is wild to me

[@zodiacthriller6094]

I think the reason for that is that it would significantly effect more rural communities that may use hounds for something like coyote management, basically making them into only something that a rich person can do

[@entropicflux8849]

@@zodiacthriller6094 they can afford their firearms, which are not cheap, so i'd imagine they can afford to register their animals. that's a lot more reasonable than expecting the property owner to erect a fence...

[@arthas640]

They cant even do the same with service dogs. A service animal once bit my rottweiler puppy completely at random (rottweiler was chill and just sniffed the other dog at a public park). Plenty of service animals have zero training because the people just use the service animal thing to get their dog into stores and stuff

[@asilanom6804]

@@arthas640 Real service dogs are extremely well trained and ridiculously expensive, but you can buy service vests for like nothing on Amazon lol. Personally, I wouldn't let my dog get near any service dog. They have a job to do, and I don't want to interfere. That's why you aren't supposed to go petting on them and stuff lol. Not saying that it was your fault that your puppy got bit, but I would be careful about that sort of thing

[@denimvelvet4670]

Basically Bubba Jr the IIV trains his dogs the way Bubba the first did, and hopefully the dog actually knows how to track the sort of animals Bubba Jr is trying to hunt. Honestly have no idea how you could genuinely certify a dog. At least not for this form of 'hunting.'

[@taj__]

Why am I so obsessed with your videos 😭

[@Megan-Yoder]

I appreciate you bringing awareness to this issue! Hunting and posting laws will definitely be something I'll have to consider while choosing where to settle.

[@williamrobinson4265]

dont come to new hampshire

[@Trythis837]

I suggest you stay away from open access states, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire.. best avoid those places..

[@mlee40738]

Morgan, I'm a pretty left-leaning small farm (only 50 acres) owner, but this story infuriates me, maybe even more than it does you! Its probably good that I live in Ohio vs Vermont, but your story has prodded me to research the hunting (hound or otherwise) laws in Ohio. I have geese, ducks, and guineas, as well as horses, donkeys, dogs, and cats. The idea of someone feeling free to turn their dogs loose on my land without my permission infuriates me. It hasn't happened in the 15+ years I've been here (that i know of!) but that doesn't mean it can't or won't, so I'll be researching Ohio's laws on it.

[@mlee40738]

@Freddie Nerkury Thank you for that information.

[@keonimorrell1430]

Another left leaning property owner... And I agree. I don't think that the absence of individual property rights are part of any mainstream left leaning agenda. That's just theft. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that even Marx has no problem with land ownership, and considered it a natural law. (as long as the person who owns the land is able to work the land themselves)... Which, incidentally, that idea might be where the whole "have to have signs up and maintained every year" law came from.

[@mlee40738]

@@keonimorrell1430 Agreed, Keoni. And to be clear, the only reason I mentioned that I'm left-leaning is because Morgan called it out in his video. Frankly, I dont see what any of this has to do with left or right! Lol

[@ryn81181]

@K. Magee I think people on the right probably know more about “the New World Order” than people on the left…because it’s not our philosophy. It’s more of a right-wing bogey-man. I’m left-leaning and have no problem whatsoever with private property rights.

[@rosescentedembrace]

i live in Texas, and if this happened, those hunters would have been shot already. i would be TERRIFIED if people came onto my property at night like that. Good on you for making your post about the REAL problems, and pushing for your property rights. i think you're doing all the right things here. i will be digging for updates on this.

[@dansmith9442]

Man you can't get much further left than my wife and I but with that said we don't want any uninvited folks on our property here in deep south Florida! We raise chickens and ducks and our property backs up to a wild life refuge so we deal with bobcats raccoons and the occasional Florida panther. I'm almost 70 and my patience at 12am would be really thin! Trespassers would be greeted with a very bright light attached to a rifle. Bottom line to me is your property is yours and you have a right to protect it and your family from trespassers anytime day or night. WE watch every video you post and enjoy them all! Thank you for sharing your time and stories with us. S/Fi

[@lindascott3973]

Am with you both for my lefty politics but also my belief in property rights. Not to mention common sense and manners not to sass someone whose property you're on in the middle of the night.

[@thedabblinhomestead4208]

I’m left leaning myself, but you’re absolutely correct. Modern hound hunting is ridiculous, to speak plainly. On top of that, owning the land should be enough to keep other people off. I shouldn’t haven’t to spend extra time, money, and effort to keep people out and the authorities to do their jobs. If it doesn’t belong to you, leave it alone, plain and simple.

[@CaptainDCap]

Impossible to know if land is privately owned or public property, if you're talking about literal acres of unmarked forest or unkempt grassland. As soon as a 'get off my property' forcefield comes included with every land purchase, your argument becomes valid. Of course, it's the hunter's responsibility to find out who owns the land he's hunting, but let's face it...property lines are REALLY hard to keep track of, even with prior knowledge of where they are.

[@thedabblinhomestead4208]

@@CaptainDCap still sounds like the responsibility of the persons traversing. Ignorance is no excuse, especially when fences are already erected. Just because it inconveniences you shouldn’t mean that I should have to be inconvenienced in your stead when you’re the one making the excursion and I’m minding my business going about my day.

[@jaystacular]

Such a serious topic being discussed and I was listening intently, taking it all in BUT that shot at 7:08 with a fleet of ducks running across in such a hurry prompted the most vigorous chuckle to ever erupt from my body 😂😂 the screen suddenly resembled a busy intersection and I lost it

[@strangerpainter]

I live in Sweden, which you could call a very very left leaning country compared to US. And its totally prohibited to hunt on other peoples land, without a permit from the land owner. We do have a law that allows anyone to walk around on your land, and camp if they want that. But no hunting. I Think the Vermont Hunting law sounds stupid!

[@martinwyke]

I'm a centre-left Brit, but I agree with your view that there should be no problem with sustainable hunting for food with permission. What you describe these people doing is not that, it is the equivalent of clear cutting forests and not good land management.

[@Heavenation]

Hey, Morgan! My family has about 100 acres over in West Topsham. While it's just a very rustic, very rural vacation cabin and only used for a short time over the course of the year, we've had the same issues with trespassing, despite the land being posted as well. We've had hikers, dirt bikers, people in trucks, and especially ATV riders just come up to the place like they owned it. "We have permission to be here." Well...no, they don't, because we're the owners and never gave permission. I live and spend most of my time in the suburbs of NJ, so the culture shock element for me is going up to VT and seeing the absolute entitlement that these old timers seem to have. The middle aged people don't seem to have it quite as much, though it's still there, for sure. And I suspect that it's been passed down from previous generations. But I've definitely noticed that these old timers throw huge fits if they don't get their way. "It's tradition!!" isn't a good excuse to do whatever they want without consequences. I grew up in a family of hunters, so I have zero qualms about that. But, like you, I do draw the line at hound hunting and anything that isn't a fair fight between hunter and prey. If all you want to do is run your dogs and let them tree a raccoon or a bear without killing it, I can accept that. That's a grey area, but there's no real harm done. But I absolutely DID grow up being taught to respect property boundaries, making sure I didn't do anything to disturb someone else's world, and leaving where I was a little better than I found it. My big worry for you and other farms like yours is that these hunters won't respect your land or THEIR dogs may be so focused on tracking that they jump fences. If these hunters have to open gates to retrieve their dog, that could become a HUGE problem and they would be responsible for it. I can also say for certain that I would NEVER want to be taking a walk through my own wooded property just to be run up on by a pack of howling, braying hounds looking to do some damage. God forbid I had my own dogs with me while out on a walk. My dogs are NOT trained hunters or watch dogs - they're simply house pets. But I'm certain that hunting hounds would try to tear my little guys apart and there would be nothing I could do to stop it. I said all of that to say that I back you 100%! And I hope you eventually get to a place where you're able to keep these people off your property for good!

[@Butterfly-mt5ml]

Respect is becoming extinct these days. The entitlement that some people feel, about anything and everything, still astounds me at times! Good comment though. 👍🏾

[@Viele_Katzen]

Putting the morality of hunting aside, I'm also really concerned about the hunting dogs. If your dog is miles away from you, how can you protect it when it hunts an animal? How can you make sure that their collar doesn't get trapped in something and chokes them? That the animal they're hunting becomes the hunter instead? When an angry landowner decides to shoot your dog? So along with a bunch of other questions, I'm wondering if hound hunting, the way it is done now, is actually animal cruelty towards the hunting dogs themselves?

[@landonboomsma2594]

You just explained the exact purpose of the GPS collars lol. They are used to know when an animal goes onto someone else’s property

[@naurrr]

this seems really negligent for the dogs safety as well because they could get injured by whatever they are chasing.

[@tunkiyo]

That's why these hunters have so many....they don't actually care if there dogs get hurt as long as they get that big kill.

[@wolfpack2708]

The dogs take all the risk while the person with the gun comes in after the prey animal has been beaten bit scratched and subdued by the dogs then gets a sharp pain in the gut or leg or even the head to end it's life. Some of these people just shoot the animal in the gut and leave them to suffer before they finally die because they think it's funny and fun to just shoot them once and watch them die it's barbaric and should be outlawed there's no reason to do it that way but these days there's not enough people who care enough to try to stop it so it will go on and countless more animals will suffer this terrible way to die (here's some examples of species) bear, mountain lion, fox ,coyote also wolves and many others as well.

[@carolereeves1566]

ITS CALLED LAZY. THEY'RE THE SAME LAZY ASS. HUNTERS THAT USE ATVS TO HUNT AND RUN DOWN DEER.

[@suzanamazon6357]

I think hunters should have to request permission from landowners to hunt their land. I think permission should be asked for during defined hours such as 9 AM to 5 PM and the permission needs to be in writing and the hunter must carry the permission slip with them when they go hunting. That way there would be no questions if they get stopped. If they’re at the wrong property they’re in the wrong and can be cited. If they’re at the right property hunting, hunting would go on. My grandparents had 320 acres and they posted it “No Hunting” at all times. The only reason they didn’t allow hunting is because they couldn’t control it for a safe time. They didn’t want hunting when their grandchildren were there. They didn’t want hunting when they had livestock out in the fields. But there were many times that they would gladly have allowed hunters access to their land if the hunters would have approached them and they could’ve set up an agreed-upon date and time and it would’ve been documented so that nobody would have misunderstood when the hunters could be on their land. Everyone knows that people rip down those posted signs, my grandparents replaced them all the time and they didn’t have paper ones staple to trees they had hardwood ones that were on stakes or tied around a tree. You had to remove the sign, they didn’t blow down in bad weather.

[@melanieniemann4160]

I was actually looking at hunting laws in the southeast earlier today (checking to see if feral hog hunting was as encouraged as I thought) and saw at least two states where when permission from the property owner was required to hunt on private land. If the deep south has laws like that, it's unthinkable to me that Vermont can't do the same.

[@1LostDude]

You mentioned that the "law" says the hunter must be in "control of the dog". Since the owners are releasing them from miles away they are not being "controlled". Not trying to be unkind, but, just shoot the dog(s). They are uncontrolled and trying to attack or attacking livestock if anyone asks.

[@markyork3095]

dogs were not released miles away but maybe 200 yards into corn where they had permmision to be lot of lies here

[@1LostDude]

@@markyork3095 If they had permission to hunt a corn field they should have stayed in the corn field, they have no right to go onto a completely different property. Control the dogs as prescribed by law or some farmers will shoot them without reservation.

[@marenjones6665]

Not going to lie, I would shoot the people.

[@THEBROKEWOODSMAN]

@@1LostDude shoot a hunters dog and I can assure you he'll bury you 💀

[@njalsand133]

Yeah, the hunter is safer

[@beccafichtner5305]

I'm strongly left leaning and I want people, and their dogs, to stay off my property. I'd had neighbor's dogs kill my chickens and sheep in multiple incidents over the past 15 years. It's infuriating. Technically, I was entitled to compensation - but it really doesn't make up for a 7 year old's distress at discovering the massacre of her pet chickens. Hound hunting seems to be the height of irresponsible dog ownership. I've always wondered why you keep Toby locked in, when you could devise a dog gate for him. But it might have saved his life, or at least saved him from injury, that night.

[@fawn1785]

I'm strongly right. But I had a similar problem here in east Tennessee with my neighbor's dogs trespassing on my property and threatening my animals as well as growling at me. Eventually, the dogs killed a couple of my chickens. The Sheriff's Department and Animal Control told me to shoot the dogs next time they threaten me or my animals. Somehow word got to my neighbor and he has since confined his dogs to his home and property. P.S. - We are both from northern states outside of Tennessee.

[@beccafichtner5305]

@@fawn1785 My neighbors dogs are very good dogs who come to me, even if they are chasing my livestock, when I call them. I won't shoot them.

[@fawn1785]

@@beccafichtner5305 I would never shoot an animal let alone my neighbor's pet. It's just nice to know that I have property rights supported by local law enforcement.

[@jaxonbrannon9419]

Hound hunting as a generalization isn’t irresponsible ownership. There are some that are irresponsible such as the guy who Morgan made the video about. Most hounds man take better care of their dogs than fur mommies do. The height of irresponsible dog ownership is keeping a dog cooped up in the house all day, no fresh air, obese, and barely gets any physical activity.

[@abyssstrider2547]

@@jaxonbrannon9419 Hounding isn't bringing 20 dogs and unleashing them into forest. It's like getting 2 or 3 dogs and trailing after them with a rifle.

[@dozhadeville444]

At first I came to this channel for "Farm Education" but I quickly found out it was much more than that. Your perspective on life & humility is truly inspiring, I tip my hat to you.

[@koningbolo4700]

The weirdest thing I find is that a landowner as to proactively post his wishes regarding hunting or generally coming onto his/her land. The most logical thing would be to reverse the burdom of proof to those who want to come onto somebody else's land: in other words: you don't have permission unless you can prove you have and can show what you have permission for. All other cases should run the risk of a 12 gauge shot of lead hoopla up the butt IMHO...

[@alexsmith0013]

Yes! ^This!^

[@jennbrock04]

THIS RIGHT HERE!

[@NadaYogi]

You should always ask permission of course but many times it is local hunters that have had permission on that land in previous years and may not have realized it changed hands. Many people from cities and suburbs may not realize this but in rural communities everyone generally knows everyone and are pretty accommodating. Now when it comes to out of state hunters, its a little different as they typically don't have ties to the community and at times don't know the local norms or who to talk to ask permission. The best thing to do is just be polite as many times it is just an honest mistake. If they do it again though after you have refused them access then you can call the sheriff.

[@MojaveMuse]

Full, Written and Notarized Permission, with copies sent to town and county gov. wouldn't be that difficult to have set up. It looks like as-is to get a hunting license in Vermont you visit a website.

[@jbirkins]

Great idea, I think explicit written permission to be on the land is the standard in some other states. I think Morgan's ask of a complete ban on hound hunting goes too far, but if the posting law was altered and the dogs were required to be leashed at all times, then you'd have a very different situation with fewer opportunities to abuse the rights of the land owners. And Morgan: set up the fish and game wardens number on speed dial. I suspect that a savvy game warden would have been able to find other laws they were violating other than trespassing, and had them off your property faster. If they're dumb enough to ignore your signs, they're dumb enough to be violating a lot more that that.

[@xantu4444]

I don't know what the laws are regarding "guides" in Vermont, but in Alaska where I grew up they needed to be licensed. I wonder if that "guide" that brought out of state hunters onto your property was licensed and/or bonded?

[@markyork3095]

@Freddie Nerkury was not a commercial hunting guide reseach would tell a different narritive

[@eas2252]

Your point of view is well stated, well argued and spot on.

[@oldWanderer69]

My grandfather dealt with this before. Though however the hound dog didn't come out unscaved in his situation. The hunter hound dog found it's way to one of his aggressive donkeys that were know to kill wolves in its ancestry. Well let's just say a dog loss a toe that day only toe.

[@oldWanderer69]

A pissed off donkey is nothing to make fun of A donkey with an ancestry of guarding livestock and killing wolves that gets woken up at 12 in the night due to dog is not very happy donkey .

[@tiktok11150]

@@oldWanderer69 I like your suggestion but I don't know how it will get along with his dog.

[@oldWanderer69]

@@tiktok11150 well my grandfather he has very big in muscle built breeds so if live stock animals do hurt it for defending it's space. Worse case is they get broken bone or fractures or bruises. But that may sound bad but that how they learned back in the day as a farm environment. Probably more safe ways like using a corral to prevent such things but that old man was old fashion.

[@bsthomas425]

I had problems with mushroom hunters. They thought they wouldn't get caught parking down the road from my driveway. I was going to my mailbox and noticed a strange truck near my neighbors' driveway. I called them and they didn't know who it was. I got my gun, big dog and found them in my woods, and ask who gave them permission to shroom hunt here. Tried to tell me the old man that lives here did last week. No way, the old man would have been my Dad and he had been dead for 3 years. I moved a little and they saw my pistol and decided they were done. I told them to never come to this area again and that I would been sending their license plate to the state police. Haven't seen then since. Don't mess with a country girl. Yes my land is posted, big time.

[@CanadianFarmGirl1]

YEAHHHH GIRL!!!! Right on!!

[@tabithastrock1914]

I have a question... if I came to your door and asked if I could do some mushroom hunting would you let me?

[@catmenot7143]

Girl. 👏 You. 👏 Are. 👏 A. 👏 Bad Ass. 💪

[@bsthomas425]

@@tabithastrock1914 No I do not allow mushroom hunter by strangers. My neighbor and I do some trading. I don't allow hunting either. Only my family.

[@bsthomas425]

@@catmenot7143 Daddy didn't raise a fool.

[@lyndao7356]

You explain the issue well, Morgan. Things will change slowly and then change again, faster and faster. I’m with you. Keep on.

[@muleepete8]

When posting the no hunting signs, in addition to the actual posting of the sign, mark the same tree with an identifiable notch in the tree and take a picture of the person making the notch and putting the sign up. If the signs start to disappear, there is a photo record of the posting on that tree with the time/date signature on the photo. This makes a record for legal action. For the enterprising entrepreneur, If there was an interested young person in the area, they could make a bit of cash by offering to do the posting with the above method to prove they did the work. They might even market this to several farms and make an seasonal small business.

[@hushpuppyandfriends5115]

This is incredibly good advice.

[@SabinJBB]

since hunters are using gps, the state should have a GPS map of all the officially paid and posted warnings of "hunting forbidden " , or officially upload them into Google maps . that way there would be no excuse for hunters to miss the signs. In my opinion if hunters use new technology for hunting, land owners should be granted the use of the same technology to protect their land from hunters. good luck with the case! keep us posted in this interesting matter :)

[@aviongris4233]

Its fairly easy to find out such information as almost all GPS, online mapping, and traditional maps have property lines detailed(as well as public, huntable land such as BLM land.) And considering how, via the right of private property, it's illegal to hunt on another person's land without permission given(its considered trespassing) by the land owner, there is not a need for one. The people who invaded the farm are individuals who seemingly have no regard for legality or simple decency. An arguement could be made for being lost in the woods, but any self respecting woodsman would have a GPS on hand to avoid such things. In this situation, the individuals were at fault.

[@artgreen6915]

@@aviongris4233 you say 'considering how, via the right of private property it's illegal to hunt on another person's land without permission'. You seem to have missed much of the point of this video about the law as the landowner understands it in Vermont. Did you watch it right through?

[@aviongris4233]

@@artgreen6915 I did indeed watch the video through. I was more referencing constitutional law than anything else as I don't know were Sabin lives. My understanding of hunting on private property is that if permission is not specifically given by the land owner, it is illegal to hunt there as it would be considered trespassing. My understanding may be flawed due to regional laws warping my perception, but I'm pretty sure that regardless of where you are in the country, you are not allowed by law to intrude on someone else's land, for recreational use or otherwise. I will also admit I don't have the greatest short term memory, and likely misunderstood or forget some of issues presented in the video due to said forgetfulness. I am by no means a professional in the language of law, and was simply attempting to show case how easy it is to find out where you can hunt, and where you cannot.

[@lareinaolson3460]

I live in FL. You have every right to be upset. Your land. Your rights. 💯

[@kobaltkween]

I guess I'm just too into horses and reading traditional fantasy. Yeah, that's a traditional hunt, minus the horses and plus trucks. Loose pack of dogs, men and houndsmaster following the pack, killing what they corner. There's a reason "at bay" and "baying" mean such different yet complementary things. The pack bays when they have their prey at bay (surrounded, no longer able to run, generally at a distance and not yet fully engaged, etc.). Granted, part of the training and discipline of hunting dogs was teaching them how to corner the animal without fully engaging while baying for backup and leaving distance for shooting or spear attacks. And the reason hunters had horns was to be able to command the pack at a distance. The houndsmaster didn't tolerate disobedient dogs. So even in the era of bear and badger baiting as a primary form of entertainment, this was considered shamefully bad dog handling. But, yeah, it was the sport of the peerage who owned the land (and the necessary horses and gear), often disrupting farming and occasionally killing farm animals by accident. Modern generations generally just had/have an understanding with farmers that the hunt would go where the hounds led. That's why jumping horses are called hunters, because they'd just go over any fences and hedges they encountered. That's what steeplechases and jumping competitions mimic, the way dressage mimics military drills. As a kid late in the last century, an Irishman told me about hunting and flying over stone fences he couldn't believe they made it over when he visited them the next day. So we're talking about a norm of hunting packs having right of way through farmland pretty recently. Even where I grew up in suburbs on the east coast of the US, we had a competitive "hunt" every fall with fake fox scent that went through multiple properties. My grandfather was a southerner who hunted a dog or two on foot, but he died before I was born and my mother never went with him, so I'm not sure how he worked with his dogs or the land. That said, everything I know of has emphasized training the dogs to keep distance in the fight and come immediately when called. And nothing I've come across has advocated hunting someone else's land at night. So even knowing traditions of hunting across farmland, this seems like it fails.

[@respectthefish4992]

the most important thing *control over the hound* if they want tradition then they have to learn discipline first

[@matthieua.4298]

I'm French, and I own a small property that's completely fenced in so my chances of having an experience like yours are close to zero but I would lose my shit if something like that ever happened to me. They'd hear about it for a long, long time. So I completely understand your frustration and absolutely support your need for change; the thing that sounds the most ludicrous to me is the signpost thing. Of course dogs won't stop if they see a "please do not trespass" sign. On a brighter note though, I did get visited by someone trespassing once: a ram who was an escapee from a nearby farm, he ended up staying a few days until town could find its owners. The big fella was more than welcome though, as the grass in my garden needed cutting. I named him "Buddy" in French :)

[@yadayada752]

What is the name Buddy in French?

[@matthieua.4298]

@@yadayada752 Copain !

[@willsham45]

As a brit, I think they should have horses, horns and red coats.

[@juniorowsley9633]

Your funny 😂. In the states I wouldn't get caught riding a horse in hunting season. Besides it wouldn't be possible in thick cover. But I've seen movies it looks like fun.

[@defeatSpace]

It's akin to a stranger wandering into your living room while you're watching TV or something, and then getting angry at you for asking them to leave.

[@ahandsumguy]

I love Toby's reaction to Molly, especially to you petting Molly. When he put his paw on you I felt like he was trying to say "DAAAADDD! That's a strange animal! I'd be more careful around her!"

[@5taceydaisy]

Sooooo fun fact! I actually taught my (hound) dog to read! He’s not a hunting dog, he’s a service dog, and obviously he can’t read random things on his own but he *can* read certain words. I made him cards with the names of human-necessary wants (bone, walk, tug, potty, train, fetch….etc, 12 in total) and trained him to associate each card with its specific activity. Now when he wants to chew on his bone or play a game of tug, he goes to his board and selects the appropriate card and brings it to me. I know he can “read” them because I am able to shuffle their placement on his board and he’ll still choose the correct card when asked. He also can answer yes/no questions and DOES answer no when he doesn’t want something! One of the funniest and coolest moments was when we were still training, fairly early on. He gave me his previous sign for bone, which was a paw my leg then look at where the bone was kept. I asked him if he wanted his bone, and he did the “yes” signal. So I put on my treat pouch, took him to the board, and asked again if he wanted bone…but this time he signaled NO! I thought he’d made a mistake so I asked him again, and again, NO!! Theeeeen I noticed he was staring at my treat pouch, and it hit me! “Wait…do you want a treat?” “YES YES YES!!” he signaled! 😂 I laughed, gave him his treat, then when he swallowed I asked again, do you want your bone? He immediately signaled yes and we went on with the rest of the card training for him to get that bone. It was a hilarious moment but also really showed JUST HOW MUCH he understands! Just as a disclaimer, obviously I know that dogs can’t just up and read signage lol. I 100% agree that this type of hounding where you can’t see your dog, can’t control your dog, and go wandering through private property without a single care for the landowner and tenets of the farm is not okay and needs to be rectified with some law changes. Expecting a dog to understand and respect property lines is absurd, and yet that’s what these “hunters” do when they allow their dogs to run freely miles away through areas where they know it’s someone’s private property. I just thought you’d get a kick out of my dog that can actually read! 😂 I’ve been working on a book on how to train it so maybe someday Toby dog can read too! Bedtime stories for the livestock! 😝

[@iralowe6138]

Private is private I'm with you no trespassing.

[@anthonymiller8979]

I wonder how safe a property owner or their kids would have been from the dogs that night if they were out in their own woods, stargazing, camping out, etc..... I image it would be terrifying to be out, away from shelter when a pack of dogs come running through.

[@kirstenriggs4586]

What about the barn cats too? Don't they just roam free on the property at night?

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@kirstenriggs4586 Yes, and according to Vermont state law, he had the right to kill the dogs if they were harrying ANY of his animals, whether pet or livestock. Obviously this includes the cats.

[@Lisa.G412]

I signed the petition! Lots of love from Pittsburgh!

[@garyandconnieflanagin6658]

When we were full time RVers staying at a campground near Tabor City, NC, a hound came in among us around a campfire. She had a GPS collar and was soooo skinny and tick infested. We were told they "run em hungry to hunt better". Absolutely barbaric. And her owner found her among us "snowbirds" because of her tracking collar. This practice sickens me.

[@brianogorman916]

And I am also nauseated by the propaganda from spouted out by the antis..

[@the11382]

That’s barbarism. Dogs aren’t to be treated this way. Not many dogs lack food motivation. Dogs just need training.

[@brianogorman916]

@@the11382 Where did you get that propaganda? It wouldn't be fabricated from an anti like yourself who has vast experience in running hounds on black bear (and keeping a kennel of bear hounds) would it. As I've written, houndsmen are honorable and fine people, especially those whom are members of the VT Bear Hound Association.

[@SIGINT007]

Hound runners are disgusting, vile scum that make a mockery out of the term “hunter”

[@PatPrice123]

In the movies, you would have cut the collar off, thrown the collar onto a passing truck and turned the dog into a rescue or found it a decent home, right?

[@patrickprescott5166]

As a hunter and outdoorsman myself, I can definitely see where you're coming from. It's disrespectful to the property owner and in terms of hunting ethics, questions the concept of "fair chase". The Boone and Crockett Club, defines "fair chase" as requiring the targeted game animal to be wild and free-ranging. "Wild" refers to an animal that is naturally bred and lives freely in nature. "Free-ranging" means an animal that is not restrained by traps or artificial barriers, so it has a fair chance of successfully escaping from the hunt. Using a pack of dogs to corner an animal in a tree is very much a gray area in this definition. The dogs can be considered an artificial barrier because they are not wild animals and create a barrier that the animal cannot safely escape. There are certain activities that dogs excel at, though, and that includes rabbit hunting, bird hunting, etc. But they are not used to corner the animal. They are used to track and stir up the animal or retrieve it. There is only 1 place where I will endorse the cornering of an animal by dogs - hog hunting. Hogs are not native to the southern US and are responsible for millions of dollars in damage every year. This use, in my opinion, is not against "fair chase" as the hogs are not native and are in fact invasive. Now in response to the outright banning of it, I don't think I'd go quite to that extreme. In the practice of protecting ones crops, property, or livestock, I believe in "any means necessary". So, that said, I'd limit the use of pack hunting to private property owned by the hunter or with written permission. I do whole-heartedly agree that the dogs must be controlled at all times.

[@crayhack]

I mostly agree with you. Hog hunting is very important to get rid of those animals. Also out west racoons are invasive, so that's fine there too imo. I don't agree with treeing bears and cats for hunting, but to haze them I think that's fine.

[@paulthomas8262]

Most of the pheasant shoots in the UK are not wild or fair. They are importing birds from China & breeding them, an letting them loose so yuppies from the city standing on the spot can shoot them. Sometimes with the help of beaters/dogs but that is barely necessary. Why would farmers be in favour of having what are considered potential pests, let loose on land next to to them. This is not a country tradition. Not only that ,these businesses are hiring 'game keepers' to illegally poison birds of prey, it very difficult to get prosecutions unless you catch them in the act, and the sentences are a joke. These birds of prey naturally would keep the pheasant numbers down. Most of the stories birds of prey taking lambs are either not true or exaggerated, in fact it more likely with crows.

[@nancydeis7121]

Well said sir.

[@theRbell3000]

You bring up an excellent point with the feral hogs and I am now realizing using hounds with them may be one of the better solutions for dealing with such dangerous animals. Their numbers are out of control and current methods are not making much of a dent! Traditionally hound hunting was often associated with pest species and I can't think of a worse pest animal is the southern US!

[@pa19802]

Thanks for the update. I’m curious to see how this all shacks out. Be safe.

[@julievoiceover]

After watching the last video regarding this, my boyfriend and I talked about how easy it would be for these “hunters” to just grab one of your signs and destroy it and claim they “didn’t know”. It’s very unfair that you went through all the right procedures and yet the state still couldn’t help you. That’s ridiculous.

[@rkllj]

As a European I find it absolute crazy you have to opt-out of hunting on your property in Vermont.

[@darththeo]

It is crazy, but is is fairly common.

[@Longlius]

A lot of of them are norms leftover from colonial times. You never see them in states that were incorporated after independence.