Golf R vs Kia Stinger - The Best All Wheel Drive Automatic Hatchbacks For $50,000

[@TheStraightPipes]

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[@uputku]

TheStraightPipes golf r

[@drewcook12]

Golf R but I want a stinger too

[@Elias_g1]

Stinger GT. There are so many golfs everywhere nowadays...

[@autochap4745]

MANUAL GOLF R

[@Elias_g1]

@@autochap4745 nice joke !

[@timtime88]

"oh but its just a kia" yes. kinda like GT-R is just a nissan. like GT is just a ford. like ZR1 is just a chevy.

[@iluvcakes19]

Lol. Golf R is just a VW.

[@tejaswipradhan558]

@@iluvcakes19 technically the r8 is just a vw too

[@user-daviddog]

What?🙀

[@MrSamwiseable]

but its just a kia...

[@itsthatbeeguy]

Did we not learn anything from making fun of Japanese cars in the 70s. Korean cars have come a long way.

[@azzurasquadra5552]

I had a mustang 5.0, a focus RS, now i own a stinger GT limited been a month now...damn what a car, still cant believe im driving a Kia, if u ever dreamed of owning a bmw, audi or a even porsche panamera but dont have the budget for it, the stinger is for u, the perfect blend between a sport and luxary car...im 46 yrs old, the best car i ever had

[@fshavlo]

so IM Driving Lexus GS 450h F Sport.so I do Test Drive kia stinger gt REally nice Car sooo if I Havn#t Lexus I will be buy kia..Best Price Market

[@PieMK6R]

I owned a tuned golf r and a tuned stinger gt sounds like a new planet to explore. Have fun

[@tma78]

Kia has just managed to bring a 3rd person across from bmw to their team. He helped design the i8. The person before him was the top guy from M division who gave you the stinger and GT variants, plus the N variants for Hyundai. And the first was the chief designer for bmw for 5 years. I own a mk6 golf r, and have been looking at a kia seltos gt line. Yeah it's not quick in anyway, but I like the styling and low risk of speeding fines or loss of licence as I always play up in my R. And the police in Australia use kia stingers.

[@ranimbill9331]

Why sell the RS? I know that it doesn't have features like rear cross alert etc but that car was voted number 1 in motoring fun

[@mitchfortson8413]

I Love my Veloster N performance package 2020 and im 50

[@MrGanmay]

You guys are on a different level when you have 2 cars!

[@freshtowels3917]

homemade top gear vibes

[@jgreen1071]

Wow, who would have ever thought a KIA would have "cool factor"?? 🤣🤣 Kia has literally shown and proved their way into relevance. Respect.

[@ZACH_95_]

40 Roller I’m pretty sure once people drive these they could care less that it’s a Kia. 👏🏻👏🏻

[@Sean-pb5cn]

@40 Roller just another closed minded badge snob talking like he knows sh** 🤣

[@Florida_954]

True i remember 5 years ago saying who tf would buy a kia and now i see them everywhere and i’m planning on getting the stinger LOL

[@PK-eo8kp]

@40 Roller KIA from South Korea is setting the benchmark. Genesis too in the luxury segment. Get out of that rock ffs.

[@dunnowy123]

My Mom has a Sorento, my sister a Rio and I have the Stinger. KIA has us. They make really good quality vehicles and the Stinger is UNBELIEVABLE. I love this thing.

[@M67v]

Stinger GT I’m surprised the prices are so close. But I feel the Stinger is just more car for less money

[@bestbomb17]

Its not even the gt2 twin turbo tho

[@bestbomb17]

@@tomdoe1234 they need to change the title then

[@MrrHouse]

@@bestbomb17 these guys are from Canada, I think their trim levels are different from America.

[@bestbomb17]

@@MrrHouse ahh ok

[@litespeed65]

Price is only close because of the custom paint on the Golf R- otherwise it's $44,000 CAD vs the Stingers $51,000 I have a 2018 Golf R w/DSG after 3 Manual GTI's and it's the best Golf ever made- period. AWD/near 300 hp/no oversteer plowing in the Winter- it just GOES. The A35 AMG hatch may be my next car though.

[@mistamaog]

"You've got blind spot monitoring too right? "Yeah my eyes" My favorite line of the day

[@davidgeerling9871]

I say that to my brother, when he talks about hot spot mirrors !!

[@scorped76]

Small correction; the Stinger's 8 speed is an in-house design, not ZF. It's a good design, just not as quick shifting as the ZF.

[@IReahpZz]

@@SaintMecha its a new unit, I don't beilve it was related to the older 8speed in the genny coupes

[@suserman7775]

The transmission is one of my favorite things about this car, which I drive every day. In comfort mode it's smooth, but has logic built in to hold revs higher when it "detects" you're driving hard. In sport mode shifts are quicker but still not jarring. Since I have the BASE GT and not the GT2, I also get a manual mode shift selector on the center shifter, as well as the paddles. Sometimes i use the left paddle for downshift and the center lever for upshifts. Great fun.

[@TheStraightPipes]

Yeah my bad. Used to driving so many cars with ZF 8spd the word ZF is stuck in my head anytime I say 8spd lol

[@rizaldarrasheed4043]

Is ZF a brand for making transmissions? Sorry, I don't know what ZF means.

[@diegolijeron9279]

Rizaldar Rasheed Yes, it makes an extremely good 8 speed automatic that a lot of car manufacturers use, from the Trailhawk SUV (707 hp) to sedans like M5 and other 5 series.

[@bjhaines3282]

I'm in the States and bought a 2019 Stinger GTS last week. That's the enthusiast-spec edition with only 800 made world-wide. Bright orange and rear-wheel drive. Absolutely the most exciting and pleasurable to drive car I've owned. After 10 years of German cars I can tell you this GTS absolutely puts them to shame! And it's a looker... no other vehicle I've owned has garnered a fraction of the attention. Had a stranger yell at me the other day "I LOVE YOUR CAR!". Pretty sure that's not a usual reaction to a Kia...

[@BrianCantybollox]

BJ Haines what he said👆 I bought one of the first GTS RWD in the uk at launch and its just awesome. I have 4 sports cars spanning 70s80s90s and 2000 but this thing is just great. I can get everything in it including kids etc. Exhaust is boring. Would be great with bimodal manual switch other than that it’s mega

[@bbprime5017]

Congrats when I was buying mine I was deciding between this and Tesla model 3 decided on model 3 but still great car!

[@bjhaines3282]

BB Prime thanks! And likewise!

[@bjhaines3282]

BrianCantybollox congrats on your car! Yep, I’d also like a throatier exhaust note.

[@ErnestoCruzBey]

That color looks hideous looks like a taxi

[@carolpost9292]

I just got a Stnger GT a month ago. I've only gone 634 miles and am realing loving it so far. Love the speed, handling and looks. Just getting it broken in!

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

lol, I drove mine more than that the first day that I bought it.

[@hyedefinition1080]

No break-in needed. Kia just advises against LC the first 1000 miles

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

hyedefinition1080 No new cars really require a proper break in, like the old days, any more.

[@Matthew-rc1xt]

@@daytonasayswhat9333 wow you’re so cool

[@chopperpump7446]

These are the exact 2 cars I looked at last January when I wanted/needed to change my car. Finally got the Stinger GT Limited with the red interior. Just awesome! The single downside on this car is the rear visibility....which is close to non existent. And in the winter season, the rear camera gets filled with crap and calcium (I’m in Quebec) so needs to be cleaned pretty much everyday, if I want to use it. My wife’s golf cam is hidden under the logo....always clean. Awesome review/ comparison. Keep up the good (really good!) work. Cheers!

[@vroomgc]

Ya , funny they didn't mention the visibility part of the 2 cars its actually an important aspect.

[@khuo0219]

I love the camera behind logo design, so cool. One time I was pulling out of a parking lot and one lady told me that there may be something wrong with my car since the logo was flipped up. I kindly told her that is was the back up camera. I have the sorento I can tell you that the rear cam does badly even in the rain, let alone snow and salt.

[@geraldf4193]

move then lol

[@princeD1100]

Do you still have the Stinger GT? If so, what are your experiences so far?

[@dudemcdudeston7985]

@ 0:53 i always think yall should include weight when you show the power numbers 🤷‍♂️

[@iBlogGadget]

Kyle Ebbitt nah, too much info. Put it later in the video

[@dudemcdudeston7985]

@@iBlogGadget yeah one more stat would simply be too much, who could handle reading power AND weight at the same time? What was i thinking?

[@techmaster777]

Kyle Ebbitt I’m glad you realized your mistake good effort.

[@fadedsincedayone]

Not really a big deal except in this case which is most likely why the r is quicker since it’s lighter

[@techmaster777]

Jace MK7 Bruh what is he talking about. My GTI is 3200 pounds with me in it and makes 520-530 whp and 430 + whtq on kill mode it’ll take out a tuned hellcat making 700 whp easy.

[@vandaandriievska95]

Stinger is supposed to be a GT car, not a track car. And considering it keeps up with basically the best hot hatch VW has in terms of handling I think it is a big success.

[@armoduesgrimlock7677]

Well it's the best hot hatch VW is willing to give us. I genuinely have no idea why they keep detuning the R seemingly every model year while increasing the performance of the GTI. Almost no reason to go with the R these days.

[@kaboomcards6219]

With Kia putting out a whole new GT-Line for the 2020 year, they are really headed in the right direction for the cars they make: fast, luxury, with a low price tag. Grand Tourer describes this the best, great observation.

[@TheOneG36]

Audi RS3, am a joke to you?

[@vroomgc]

Well except for the R is still much faster off the line to the GTI and has AWD but ya no reason

[@senna2]

Armodues Grimlock I think they were forced to detune it to comply with EU regulations. Not sure why that would have anything to do with NA though.

[@lilrobbie2k]

I love the Kia Stinger in that Ghost Gray paint color

[@bern7851]

I remember rolling down the window was normal, now we complain about pressing a button to unlock the door haha 😂

[@dungteller367]

good one, now I hate dealing with a key one of our vehicles is PB start the other uses a key. I don't drive that one too much, yes we are getting spoiled and lazy.

[@HTXJOLO]

It is soooo astounding to see how far y’all have come in the editing, production, and presentation. 🤩 I was convinced I wanted a Telluride next but damn this Stinger would be a perfect car for my midlife crisis.

[@MuddyTubMedia]

I own a Stinger GT and I absolutely love it. I get looks, thumbs up, and compliments every day. Yesterday, a guy in a 911 Turbo gave me a thumbs up. Im in a Kia and the guy in the Porsche likes my car. That’s awesome! Mine is badge swapped so people always ask what it is. I love it haha. It’s a great car to own.

[@faisaltariq2575]

Badge swapped? What do you mean?

[@MuddyTubMedia]

@@faisaltariq2575 has the “E” badge that the Korean Stingers get on the front. And I have the Stinger script badge on the back. No Kia badges.

[@faisaltariq2575]

@@MuddyTubMedia oh okay!

[@fanofsongs]

holy shit the fluidity of this video is off the charts, good work you two + whoever edited it!

[@SpaceMissile]

consistently good work from this group. 10/10

[@daddycool3599]

I own a 2019 Golf R and I’m totally in love with this car. So Fast and efficient. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 The golf R has 300HP and 400NM here 😉

[@IReahpZz]

Stinger I'd a bit underrated. Really makes about 400 bhp

[@chucky8894]

Bafy Do the North American specs have less hp? Or is the difference just because of the way we calculate the hp?

[@syd_jzx100]

@@IReahpZz Yeah Kia and Hyundai are known to lower their power and 0-60 times. I own an i30N and advertised power is 271bhp, I get like 285bhp. Also 0-60 as a result is under 6secs, not 6.1secs.

[@neovenom9833]

@@syd_jzx100 not really it also matters what you put in the tank. I Use high octane RON98 in my car. most cars are rated on pump gas RON 95

[@devn3813]

Wedow the 3.3 makes around 370 hp and 420 torque in the real world.

[@jones780]

Jakub continues to make me feel good about my 2013 base model manual gti purchase with comments like, “I have more fun in a manual gti than a manual r.” Bought it with 22 miles on it and still love driving it 80K miles later.

[@langleyfilmltd]

Own a stinger. Love it.

[@zykarionng6633]

hows the reliability?

[@fatih4159]

@@zykarionng6633 much much better than golf germans sell just name they make shitty car this one or m4 vs mustang corvette charger camaro m4 is 2.5 time expensive

[@basithph8958]

The Stinger is when you want a gran tourer The Golf R when you want a hot hatch

[@tigovdbij7183]

You are right, IT would be better if they compared the stinger against the Audi S5

[@tigovdbij7183]

They Both have a V6, all wheel drive and the same amount of horsepower.

[@seabasst-coffee709]

Yep. You don't slide cars anyway so comparison is a little irrelevant at limits and beyond.

[@seabasst-coffee709]

The Stinger doesn't corner faster. No chance.

[@ghuldorgrey]

The Golf R is when you want a car no one will ever look at. There are so many Golfs its just fucking boring to see one

[@PUMBAANA]

i bought the 2020 KIA Stinger less than a week ago. Red on Red and I love it. Might need a custom exhausts but other than that its perfect.

[@cavlizzy]

@PUMBAANA the regular GT? or GTS, GT1 or GT2? I always get Red... but wondered how the leather in Red would match the red paint? So I guess it looks good!

[@AronBagel]

20 minutes of why you want a Kia Stinger GT. I don't mind it one bit.

[@Ccsh12]

AronBagel golf r is a 4 cylinder that beats a lot of v6 why would you want a fake exhaust

[@Ccsh12]

Henrik K I will but not the new one I’m good with my gti autobahn for now

[@SlowBoiGang]

@Henrik K there actually is. A Kawasaki ninja 636 will beat the Kawasaki 650.

[@drdoomgoat38]

@@Ccsh12 mo' Powah babeh!!!

[@kenr8823]

I test drove the Stinger and with my back problems, sitting that low in the car would have been an issue some days. So, I ended up with the Golf R. Love driving it every day!! Getting 30+ mpg on the highway is just a plus!

[@johnjackson12]

Kia for me. Lovely V6 engine with torque everywhere. Looks better imo aswell

[@supercooled]

Just as practical if not more so. It’s just so much bigger than a hatchback. Almost half a car bigger.

[@eLKaymusic]

It's not a ZF auto. Hyundai Kia developed this one themselves.

[@themagicalaries]

I was really trying to look this up because I didn't think ZF made it. I have a G80 Sport and they have the same power train.

[@CitarNosis317]

I'd still trust that transmission over the Golf's. I don't hate on Golf or VW - but neither is famous for reliability. Modern models, I mean. So you know, if I'd be a Golf kind of person, I'd definitely go manual. Just one less thing to have trouble with.

[@eddiesander403]

@@CitarNosis317 Except the GTI manuals are having a stalling issue in the USA. Even after just a few miles.

[@xavier0237]

@@themagicalaries The Stinger is tuned differently than the G80, so it feels different with spirited driving.

[@JohnSmith-nz4bn]

So weird as an Australian watching this on a Friday morning. Normally it's late Friday evening or Saturday morning. Thank you for the hospitality USA! Yes I know you guys are Canadian.

[@talalabdulaziz316]

The KIA Stinger doesn't use ZF transmissions , they use Hyundai's home made transmissions, Hyundai is.one of the few who makes their own transmissions.

[@syd_jzx100]

And are surprisingly good!

[@kryptoman_mask]

Yeah, Powertech I believe.

[@nealewalter]

And my transmission in my 2012 Hyundai Genesis is being replaced (under 10 year 100,00 mile warranty)

[@maxdavidson5050]

I think the two of your together are so much better than just the one of you. You guys have great energy. It’s nice seeing friends discuss cars and not have the typical “my friend is an idiot and wrong” top gear relationship that most channels have. I loved when he said “Yuri pronounces Toyota wrong, we are working on it”. It’s funny

[@GamingRobot13]

Damn for the same cost you get so much more with the Kia

[@wagrj5738]

But you make more friends driving the same car with you if you drive the golf r

[@IvanBosnjak89]

Golf R power numbers are slightly down to meet the new EURO standards for emissions. Nothing they could do about it.

[@iDrive4fun93]

Yep, easy and not too expensive to get a considerable horsepower bump

[@markus8484]

Ivo Bosnjak that´s may be right for the european Version of the Golf R but this is the north american Version and those cars do not have to meet the Euro Emission Standars. Just have a look to the new BMW M340i they already tested. The Euro Version has slighty less Horsepower due to the Particle Filter. The US/Can Version does not have such a filter.

[@weilandcock]

Markus Z It’s the exact same engine, Volkswagen just shifted from metric horsepower to mechanical horsepower across the lineup. The 1.8 TSI also went from 170 to 167 rated.

[@Adrian-rn1ym]

Ape stage 2. Problems fixed

[@joey69d]

They can't just cheat anymore?

[@FuelEconomyTest]

I'd go for the Stinger, because with the money I'll be paying, I don't want people confusing it for a Golf.

[@implodingbaby]

OOF

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

Any VW is better than the disposable camera of the car world (Kia trash).

[@ninja12380]

But you'd pay 40 grand for a kia?

[@farhana3164]

the replies lol, saltier than a Pirate's Hard tack

[@implodingbaby]

@@ninja12380 you shouldn't dont care about the badge

[@ssflipallday]

I’ve always been a Golf R head...but that Stinger 🧐 I didn’t realize all the amenities it had with the same practicality. Take my money (or the lack thereof)

[@gsjourney3054]

Why do so many people like the golf I’m jw it’s legit 50k for a hatch with less then 300hp with crappy vw reliability

[@ssflipallday]

I like it for understated styling with dual clutch option and adaptive dampers which the direct competitors don’t offer. Don’t always need a manual or harsh suspension imo. But they’re way too expensive for sure

[@IReahpZz]

Got my gt2 for 44k usd out the door in this color.

[@kevinandrew_]

@@gsjourney3054 Because compared to it's other direct awd competitors (Focus RS, WRX STI), it's reliability is pretty much on par, but it offers something a little different than those with much better refinement and a more comfortable, almost luxury interior (especially relative to the other two). I also appreciate the more understated styling. Sure, the average Subaru is more reliable than the average VW, but the STI isn't exactly a regular subaru. Plus they haven't always been 50k until recently with the last update. To be fair though, if I was forced into an automatic, I'd take the stinger all day long, no question. However, I'm a manual guy, so I went with a used golf R. 100k on the odometer and no issues at all so far.

[@ristekostadinov2820]

@@kevinandrew_ that guy was tripping with the statement crappy vw reliability, in europe golf is the most stollen vehicle, especialy mark4 with 1.9 diesel.

[@seanhollett8422]

love that you guys are talking Canadian specs, prices and conditions!

[@docswampo8567]

My Stinger is Fantastic. 2019 White Pearl GT.. Custom mode everything in sport but AWD in comfort. Keeps you straight in the rain.

[@ForensicVoid]

That's my set up for bad weather and street launching on roads (California roads aren't smooth)

[@thinc2272]

The conversation you have while in different cars is just outstanding - well done guys. Love this format.

[@forrestsautoreviewsofficial]

I looove the Stinger GT but that Golf R looks incredible 😍

[@anes1240]

4 years ago you weren't famous now look at you the most successful viewed car journaliste in 2023

[@axelamps1279]

Looks like any other modern soulless hatchback to me!

[@maxlombardo2702]

I’d definitely take the stinger after driving them both. Also I’m far too excited for the Supra review undoubtedly coming.

[@theweeknd2725]

Stinger gt is such a cool looking and fun ride for the price! I would go for it too!

[@douglasfroom1449]

Watch the KZbin video of the Golf R spanking the Supra in a quarter mile drag.

[@micktek]

2:20 "But once you reach 100, they're pretty much the same speed anyway".......... Ummm, no kidding. Because they're both doing 100 ?!?!

[@chillinwithchris1536]

Michael Schimkat 100 kmph... or like 62 mph.

[@lucwal67]

@@chillinwithchris1536 The guy as the logo of the German Soccer team as a profile pic, I think he know what KM/H are

[@NotStellarNoja]

Then five seconds later "Even if you you're in the right gear and you punch it the Stinger is basically always going to win"

[@Steve-mk9le]

I think he is saying that they go from 0-100 at pretty much the same measure of time (~4.6 seconds). AKA - The Golf R and the Stinger GT have similar acceleration.

[@karllhungus2681]

@@chillinwithchris1536 mph is nonsense

[@susanl1148]

I live in Los Angeles and see a lot of great cars. Saw a Stinger (finally) on the 10...hot!

[@YulianBrickPrime]

Damn, i really like the car comparisons that you guys make. Y'all so good

[@BlackwingDuck]

Stinger A8 isn't a ZF. It's made my KIA and it's fast, but it's not as fast as the ZF.

[@4liter]

Kevin Hodges true. Have the same/similar in my Genesis, 70,000mi trouble free. Great trans 👍🏼

[@STLtones2326]

I drove the stinger Gt tonight my uncle just brought one it's fun as hell and has alot of power I hate Dodge anyways.

[@STLtones2326]

I use to own a 2016 Jeep Wrangler unlimited nothing but problems got rid of it that's why I don't like Dodge.

[@STLtones2326]

Brand new went through two transmissions in a year it was under warranty thank God.

[@WrongFromWright]

Stinger for me. Dont know about longevity, but the interior quality is very nice, and it drives great.

[@bbokdoong]

Kia will last longer than any German car....

[@adriankschan94]

Go watch carwow’s stinger review, interior quality is actually not good, you can move the center console :/

[@matty1053]

Best warranty in the business!! Me and my co-worker have Stingers. He has over 30k miles on his... he got it last year. (he took it on 4 trips to Maine, Florida, Mississippi, and Montanna from Michigan). He loves it and he has not had any issues with it at all. I only have just broken in mine... 6k miles. MPG is pretty damn good too. I average 24.8mpg. And that is with once in a while flooring it.

[@QwertySkill]

@@adriankschan94 that was the easliest 2018 versions. they fixed this mid way through 2018. the build quality is solid now

[@a0r0a7]

@@adriankschan94 nonsense. Matt really wobbles that console with force. Kia warranty far better than VW. Plastics in the Golf are really not great, lower down and if its anything like the two VW Passats I had as company cars dashboard rattles will irritate. Clutch failures, wiring loom issues, turbo swap, electric brake issues all on the VWs I had. All other makes I had as company cars sailed past 130,000 miles on the same clutch. So disagree through experience.

[@adrianhernandez1246]

Stinger! I purchased mine about a month ago! That thing rips

[@broncobri5]

LOVE that stinger color combination

[@WobblePizza]

Golf R by a long shot. Understated styling, smaller, manual, comes in several greens.

[@IvanBosnjak89]

Love the smaller comment. It makes a huge difference for nimbleness and getting around town.

[@HotSauceForTheSoul]

I really missed you guys doing these 2 car comparisons. You've really nailed the editing as well. Great work as usual!

[@NeXuS858]

TCU Tune eliminates the auto upshift on the Golf R :)

[@timothygermann780]

In case anyone is concerned with fuel economy; From fueleconomy.gov: Golf R MPG: 23city/30 highway 26 MPG combined. Kia Stinger GT MPG: 17city /25 highway Combined 20MPG mpg. 6 mpg real world economy in my mind is a big difference. that is $5,000 savings over 10 year ownership

[@timothygermann780]

@jamiecivic I have bought and owned all my automobiles new and kept them for 10 -15 years. Makes MUCH better financial sense. (If you maintain them... and don't care about having a new car every few years.)

[@drakkarc558]

If you’re concern for the mpg, these vehicles are not for you.

[@Renzo.Fortini]

Kary facts

[@harmandalsingh2359]

But you can carry more people in stinger comfortably

[@timothygermann780]

@jamiecivic As I said, I always keep my cars 10 years + either way assuming you trade it in, if you look for a more efficient car next time the point is the same. 6mpg over 10 years is 5 grand in your pocket.

[@gmb12philly88]

I would love to see a 3-6 year review to see which car held up better. And which one was less expensive to maintain. Not just with these two cars but others as well

[@Andregeorgetownkia]

Welp 3 years later and Kia stinger is discontinued 😂

[@e46Kyle]

@@AndregeorgetownkiaIt was too good for this world. 😢

[@Old_Man_Brian]

Over 4 years with a Stinger. We still love it.

[@MegaAstonmartindbs]

Im pretty sure the Stinger uses a kia designed 8 speed auto not ZF

[@jonathandougherty3677]

Your right

[@ConstantineJoseph]

It is a ZF sourced 8 speed. Meaning it is a licensed variant or OEM version. Cheaper to manufacture and pays royalties to ZF. It is the same thing

[@gustavopaulette3496]

Jonathan Dougherty you’re right ***

[@cutlassrkt]

@@ConstantineJoseph what is your source for this info?

[@ConstantineJoseph]

@@cutlassrkt www.torque.com.sg/reviews/kia-stinger-review/ www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=1217 Reviews from Singapore

[@thepassionofthegoose5472]

The Stinger in RWD is such an amazing car for the money.

[@Cgee3]

thepassionofthegoose it’s even more amazing for the price used.

[@Robert-goose1]

Why? A Camaro SS or Mustang GT costs the same.

[@KeyWoods11]

@@Robert-goose1 apparently he doesn't want a mustang or a Camaro

[@mattspeer01]

@@Robert-goose1 Those both have garbage penalty box, cheapo plastic interiors...even on the top trims.

[@dustincarter8129]

Moving from an Audi to a Stinger here shortly. It’s such a well rounded car overall.

[@TheRazosvg]

“Gallons of freedom”!!! This is now my life motto!

[@iunlock4261]

KIA Stinger all day. Much more car all around for the money... Let alone the fit & finish, tolerance levels, build quality etc... The Stinger tops it all over the vw.

[@netcruzer]

I 100% cross shopped these.. I chose Golf R. No regrets!

[@V1ralB1ack]

I don't blame you. I get the reason to buy a golf r... But why buy a stinger over a Mustang gt or dodge charger? I get its great buuuuut... A charger and Mustang will still be just as functional... The golf r is something that over performs yet is great day to day and more.

[@ZS-xi4xk]

@@V1ralB1ack Neither of them would be as functional. Definitely not a Mustang, which is a coupe. And the Charger has a trunk which has a lot less cargo capacity than the hatch on the Stinger. Especially with the seats folded down. Also the Stinger is a lot more of a comfortable and premium daily driver than either of the other two.

[@ghuldorgrey]

You chose the most boring car ever, congrats! There are so many Golfs on the road its not even funny

[@Hacker07Gaming]

@@V1ralB1ack chargers are shit

[@V1ralB1ack]

@@ZS-xi4xk I mentioned the charger and mustang because the stinger is between being fast and a family car. If you're buying the stinger for the speed then just get a mustang but if you want it to also carry 4 people get the charger but you can't honestly tell me it's more comfortable then the charger. It LOOKS more comfy but sit in it and it's not more comfy than both. I've fit a 55in tv in a civic and I can easily do it in a mustang. How much trunk space do you need? And if you're talking a car that is all you really need it's the golf r. The stinger is unnecessary. Competitive and new but unnecessary.

[@syedmolan7538]

Kia Stinger GT without a second think!!

[@NINEWALKING]

Stinger is a 4 doorr coupe and should be tested vs BMW 4 series Grand Coupe, Audi 5 series 4 door and what ever is the Merc version of it. Or call them all but Merc a hatchbacks because they have a 5th door?

[@Azeria]

Exactly!

[@jimjames5312]

NINEWALKING the cost isn’t comparable tho

[@NINEWALKING]

@@jimjames5312 true that but Kia is know to deliver value and to want to be a giant slayer. But it is still wrong choice. Golf vs Ceed or Proceed makes sense and there is as well price difference there. Same class different price is mother of all comparations while it shows you what you get or don't for the extra money.

[@Yukikazehalo]

Mercedes doesn't really have an equal, maybe a base CLS class or nice C class? Their only liftback sedan is the AMG GT 4 door that starts at almost 3 times the price of a Stinger.

[@4liter]

No, because these are both from the respective “base” brands of each company. Seems like a perfect comparison to me.

[@Steve-qr2lm]

I love my Golf R, the only thing that lets it down is actually the look, it just doesn't look sporty or mean, but everything else makes up for it!

[@AnthonyCorsi11]

100% agree, since the golf itself is so common most people don’t notice that extra difference with the R compared to a GTI in terms of looks so it blends in too much. That’s why I’ve always said that if you want a Golf R for its driving pleasure and want to stand out, get an Audi S3.

[@danielf5913]

You guys hit the nail on the head with this one. I've cross shopping these 2 vehicles for months.

[@warrenberes4117]

TTRS give a try

[@danielf5913]

Warren Beres I’ve considered the TT RS but I need that 4 door practicality. I wish they sold the RS3 hatch in North American, it would be perfect!

[@jeffreytinsley3208]

Definitely the Stinger all day

[@HARaZAC]

One thing I'm surprised you guys don't mention often is vehicle weight

[@juanserrano8777]

I'd love the Kia stinger but there isn't no manual option so it's the golf R for me.

[@Joose]

Not often I disagree so hard with you guys, but that Golf looks SO much better than any Stinger, in my opinion. Not even close.

[@Serk_Altay]

Awesome video. Rarely are such videos this enjoyable. Two very likeable personalities

[@rickybobby890]

I'm only 42 seconds into this comparison. So can't wait to see the rest, Very compelling video.Let's go

[@ajamini]

I test drove both back to back, and it wasn't even close for me... I love my Stinger GT2! Golf R was missing cooled seats, moonroof, heated steering wheel and the seats weren't nearly as comfortable. The driving position in the Stinger is absolutely perfect! The sound system was also a lot better in the Stinger, as was the infotainment system. I was ecstatic when I saw this video, and I had a feeling Jakub and Yuri would both choose the Stinger when automatic. As always, great video guys!

[@Oneill5491]

This is why I think the price of the Golf R is a joke when compared to the Stinger. It should be so much cheaper to manufacture than the stinger considering the engine is much smaller, has significantly less cabin amenities, and is just a smaller car overall.

[@ajamini]

Oneill5491 Agreed, the value of the Golf R doesn’t come close to the Stinger. A GTI has much better value from VW even though it’s nowhere near as fast

[@rogerthat24]

Stinger because V6. Ventilated seats are great too.

[@mattspeer01]

Yep, just test drove a loaded Stinger GT2 today and the ventilated seats worked better than any other vehicle I've owned with ventilated seats. My butt was icy within a couple min of turning them on.

[@rezaf93]

Stinger is so much fun! The automatic stop start is not that much annoying. If you push the brake pedal gently just enough to stop the car it doesn’t turn the engine off. It only does it when you really push the brake.

[@michaelcornell9085]

My car buying decision came down to these two cars. Unfortunately, none of the Kia dealers in the Boston area would let me test drive a Stinger, so the decision to buy a Golf R was an easy one. I still get calls from Kia dealers trying to sell me a Stinger, which is curious because they didn't seem all that interested when I was actually looking to buy. I'm super happy with my 2019 Golf R!

[@rF-Phenom]

Congrats. You made the right call. I have a 17 golf r, love the thing. These two made some pretty poor comments/comparisons in this video. Such as complaining that the golf r wouldnt oversteer...you CAN force it to, however oversteering through a corner may be (subjectively) more fun, it is slower though. There is also not much that can be done with the stinger to really start brining more power out beyond a basic tune and bolt ons. 450 hp or so is where the stinger will be stuck before you start going into the danger zone. Meanwhile the golf r can hit 450 with a stage 2 type setup and tune, still able to go with a swapped turbo for 550+ if you want. Seeing as the R is also MUCH lighter than the stinger, that power does you much more in terms of performance numbers.

[@davidyue3717]

Recently got rear ended in my Stinger. Really miss it. Can't wait to get it back!

[@elshizz]

Bro just earlier today I got to my car while at a shopping center and someone did a hit and run on the rear driver's side bumper (not a Stinger but still). Like wtf is wrong with people!?

[@davidyue3717]

el Shiz That sucks. My advice would be to get dash cam. Can’t argue with video proof.

[@elshizz]

@@davidyue3717 I'm considering it now, damn. Thanks

[@Boostedsuspects]

Don’t lol, after 30/40K the car start to deteriorate, everything squeaks etc.

[@LegatoStudios]

The Kia Stinger won in just about every single catagory.

[@gaycha6589]

LegatoStudios - except class and understatedness

[@jstoli996c4s]

I will still take the Golf R.

[@keke158]

Because it is BS

[@jstoli996c4s]

@Mr.Tweezy007 ooooo I’m so hurt

[@poooooow]

I've driven the Stinger a few weeks ago. It was almost like an Audi (since a Audi & BMW Guy worked together on this). The engine felt very throttled to me. Like there where about at least 100 HP waiting to be woken up some day.

[@bbrescia8697]

poooooow Kia made 420 hp version out of an old press car with a tune and some minor part swaps (intakes etc). So yes you are right this engine has room to grow

[@mouthyfardy9]

There's actually a video showcasing how with a few upgrades, the stinger can unlock a good amount of power just from a few bolt ons. So you're not wrong

[@Lunaticked]

You’re right, just a tune and intake is getting people 100-125 extra hp to the wheels

[@FordRanger-ie5mu]

great video. cool to see you guys speak seamlessly and transition from car to car.

[@geneg6343]

My wife's car is a 2012 VW GTI Autobahn with the DSG transmission that we purchased new in October of 2011. With just over 75k miles the GTI has no rattles and drives great. I keep up with all the recommended services. There were a few issues around 40k miles with a failed high pressure fuel pump and two failed ignition coils within months of each other. My wife wants a new car and we have been looking at vehicles since the June time frame. I remember looking at the Kia Optima back in the 2011 before we purchased the GTI. The Optima felt like a tin can when you closed the doors and the GTI had a more upscale feeling in the cockpit. My wife transitioning from a 2002 BMW 525i (manual transmission) that was fully loaded with sport package to the GTI. We purchased the vehicle new and while not a power house at 189 hp it drove and handled great for a sedan of its size. After watching this review I thought we would consider the Stinger GT2 but after reading Car and Driver's 30,000 mile review we have removed it from the contenders. Here is the link : www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a22993952/kia-stinger-gt-reliability-long-term-update/ . Their car might be a fluke but rattles and the brake rotor issue is something that I take into consideration. There is more to a vehicle then just performance of the vehicle, it is the total package. Dependability, reliability, fit and finish, and how the vehicle will hold up in the long term. We would go with the Golf R. While the looks are understated and we wish the 2 door variant was still manufactured for the United States the Golf R gets our vote. While not in the same category or price point I placed the 2020 BMW M2C as a contender but my wife being the frugal one decided she did not want to spend the 64k for the M2C.

[@dorkultra]

btw with an OBDeleven module, you can adjust the golf R's lane keep assist to keep you on rails. huge improvement, lets you do a bunch of other tweaks as well. however it won't activate until 41mph and requires a mail in camera tweak for lower speeds than that

[@robertk8524]

I got a 2018 Stinger, and it's great. So I prefer the Stinger... haha. Plus I did a badge swap to the South Korean original badges... makes it look even better.

[@jamilor]

What do the original badges look like if you don’t mind me asking?

[@bimaputra9175]

@@jamilor Stylized "K" Letter

[@blublum7916]

You can't custom order Golf R Spektrum colors anymore, since about 2 months ago. I was getting ready to sign the papers when they said that's cancelled, so I walked. Down to Telsa or Stinger now.

[@KuyaArbee]

Blu Blum yup facts! It’s not even an option on their website....

[@dorkultra]

yeah its pretty sad, i heard they were also dropping the 6yr/72k warranty as well. only option is to buy a 2019 golf R and get it wrapped if you want that color and warranty. it would still run you like $42k at least, not worth it imo

[@Warsheep2k6]

@@dorkultra Golf is in for model change by the end of the year thats why they reduce color options so they dont have to take back leased ones in a stupid color

[@jaleger2295]

Get the Tesla, I'd get one over my 4.4 V8 anyday if Tesla was sold in my country

[@dorkultra]

@@Warsheep2k6 I've heard that there will be no Golf R again till 2021. Not sure if that means they stop production till the mk8

[@R41TurboS]

Kia has done such an amazing job with Stinger GT! I work at BMW, I have told plenty of clientele about the stinger, they have all been Amazed by both the performance credentials, well as options list. It's a bargain of a car, and although the Golf R put up a great fight, doesn't even stand a chance.

[@hoptard]

toss in a $700 APR tune on the Golf R.....see ya Stinger

[@RDriver2.0]

Sure you work at BMW, sure lol

[@rv9990]

Dude, that orange drifting KIA looked so nice!

[@fabian_99]

13:14 the golf r also folds its mirrors when you lock it you just have to enable it in the settings of the car .... dude come on

[@TheStraightPipes]

Send us a video. We’ll add it in post.

[@Inspector7I]

The north American model does not fold in. I have an 2018 mk 7.5

[@mbrunnme]

That's only for ROW cars. ROW gets memory seats, port injection and more horsepower as well. NA is a different beast. Rs are low volume here so we don't get sunroofs, interior options or any of that other stuff. If we did, the car would range from a little cheaper to a lot more expensive.

[@fabian_99]

TheStraightPipes will do (ig)

[@sleepininicetrell]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!! I was legit just considering slightly older models of both of these!! If money isn’t the issue I’m probably getting the stinger but if my budget ends up being slightly tighter, I can go back a little further with the GOLF R. Great job guys!!

[@eeshunique]

you can get any brand new GT trim way under sticker price. There are two stinger GT2 with -8k marked off of sticker already in a couple dealerships local to me. It just take some searching and negotiation. Truth is, as much of a good car it is, its struggling to sell, especially the GT trim. I am just waiting for my lease to run out in a couple of months so I can purchase one!

[@raupenimmersatt6906]

With the Golf R you wont have any warranty after 1/2 years. On the other hand you can buy an 3 year old Stinger and have 4 Trouble free years. Take that into consideration.

[@sleepininicetrell]

Artikel 13 Bot Thanks, one of my main points of consideration too

[@DonFather]

If people say "Oh you got a Kia?" just don't talk to them & walk away. Same with Golf

[@charles-davidberube1174]

But it is a kia. It’s like saying « hey, you have a mercedes » to someone who owns a g class. It’s still a benz

[@Cgee3]

The Stinger is a stupid nice car regardless of the brand. I’ll tell everyone that it’s a Kia. Hate it or love it, I’m super happy and could not care less what others think.

[@soulstance]

@@Cgee3 Yep that's why I bought one ^^. Stinger GT is buttery smooth comfy and powerful when it wants to be. And it's a looker!

[@jrmmrmm]

Have a Stinger Gt 2 and love it !! It's my modern day Gran National so I would pick it all day long. Had a VW before and not so good reliability.

[@STLtones2326]

My uncle just brought a stinger Gt same color after driving it tonight wow it's really fun to drive and the power it has puts a mustang RT Challenger and Camaro out of shame.

[@billyhughes9776]

Golf R, Golf R, Golf R!!!! But the Stinger is a cool car -- and they're discounting them down here big time. They're not selling too well.

[@geigerzoola6642]

That Stinger man i dream of that thing too bad im poor

[@erickrecinos2931]

Kershaw Silverado Same 😓

[@Cgee3]

Kershaw Silverado give it a few years and pick up a used model. They are way cheaper then.

[@juliennegarcia4157]

I’m in the process of getting rid of mines -_-

[@Cgee3]

Julienne Garcia getting rid of a Stinger? Why is that?

[@raysoto]

So when can we expect a "Gallons of Freedom" shirt?

[@AH-lw2bj]

Litres of freedom 😉

[@TheStraightPipes]

Litres of free healthcare 🤣

[@raysoto]

@@TheStraightPipes You had to go there. Haha!

[@banjirjir7519]

dem oil country no likey that

[@Robert-goose1]

@@TheStraightPipes "free"

[@jordzander1616]

Stinger GTS in bright orange is my new dream car

[@Krazzy2188]

Just bought a 2018 kia stinger gt2 red (or whatever they call it) and it is the best car I have ever driven. I am in awe.

[@daveando]

I’ve got a UK 7.5R. You mention about the DSG upshifting when you don’t want it to, can’t you put the box in manual mode?

[@matthewpiering9822]

Even in manual mode, it will shift for you at redline. You need a DSG tune if you don't want it to do that. Euro spec might be different. Not sure.

[@ericyang3212]

David Anderson it won’t let you bang redline even in “manual” mode

[@JeffMooon]

I'll go with Stinger... it looks damn hot

[@Wayzor_]

You say that now, until you get passed by a modified Gold R.

[@ksbn001]

@@Wayzor_ and that modified Golf R gets passed by a modified Stinger

[@Gideon-dc1lg]

Stinger GT all day every day of the week

[@brian9807]

Golf R all the way for tune ability, and also I just love what VW does. Without them we wouldn’t have Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Skoda, Seat, Cupra, oh and can’t forget Ducati. It’s literally their bugget sports car. And if you have the money you get one of their other brands! Gotta love VW 👏

[@mclovin5199]

Im a simple person, I see Straight pipe notification, I clicked it and like it and watch it :)

[@daveM135i]

These cars are not of the same category. Stinger is a sportback more like a sedan not a hatchback lol.

[@ethxn644]

Dave M ikr when i saw the the title i was like 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@sigrholambda]

I may be alone in this but I dont really want my back end to kick out if im driving around town on a hustle. To be completely honest I know how to handle a slide but id rather just have the car stick and go than have it kick out.

[@TheTemplarnight]

it's because their in race mode, if you have the car set to eco or normal it won't kick out almost at all, and if u go into custom and set everything to race and put ur AWD to normal it'll give u the sportyness without the loose rear end

[@UpNorthMooseGoose]

I'd go with the stinger! Beautiful car. But, at the end of the day, I got myself a Velsoter N performance. Price is insane for what you get. Just need to find the right dealer.

[@kilovwdude6457]

Now this is the kind of content I subbed for golf r vs everything