GOLF'S BIG SECRET | The Right Forearm Flying Wedge

[@JCGlock87]

Phenomenal explanation! This is one of the best explanations of the variables affecting impact and thank you for the great drills. One of the best golf videos I’ve seen. I’m an immediate follower.

[@anneevans9154]

Tiger Woods says to try and get the hands to the ball before the clubhead. It's a feel thing!!

[@robsaxepga]

You know, it's funny. I went to look into golftec. As an authorized golfing machine instructor, i was disappointed to be told that there'd be no tgm taught at that facility 🙄. My first response was "it already is." Stack and tilt.. It's in edition 7.2, chap 2-H.

[@Thegolfingoldman]

Great advice

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

The physics of swinging a golf club at full speed are completely different than in slow motion. There's engineering built into the club that only work at full speed or at least a reasonable speed. In slow motion you can overcome the physics that you cannot at full speed. When you described that the club would be wide open at 8:01 is physically impossible to do that at full speed. Give it a try if you don't believe me. Not only do the physics and engineering of the club over power you but the anatomical limit of the human body won't allow it either. At full speed that clubface will close and the ball will fly straight and you will actually maintain the flying wedge. Full speed and slow motion are much much different. I don't mean to argue or disagree, but really give it a try and you'll be amazed that you can't stop it from closing.

[@rudycramer225]

He is right!

[@JessDoyle-q5q]

My Uncle Ben Doyle was the foremost proponent of the golfing machine, and he certified instructors to explain it properly. This is not happening here. And the commentary like "somewhat of a descending blow" , ""poor wrist bends" really ? This doesn't do justice to the precision that the golfing machine is known for. It isn't happening here. The presenter uses the the idea of flying wedges as nothing more than a buzz word. Eschewing the requirements for straight plane line, club head lag pressure point, the throw out action of centrifugal force, aiming point,. role of the pivot. He would do better to get a copy of Ben's facts and illusions map and be taught on it by one of Ben's authorized instructors, better yet, to work with Bobby Clampett, the person that demonstrated the high performance of the golfing machine to the golf world.

[@FairwayJack]

... I'd call this the "Flying V" ... I immediately thought wedge as in Sand Wedge

[@dry509]

Hello. Do you still recommend keeping the flying wedge in tact?

[@larrygrzywo8701]

With weight forward and keeping the tilt and elbows connected and wrist angles how do you keep from having too many swing thoughts??

[@markme3259]

Your videos are the only way to learn the S&T ….or private lessons from Andy and Mike…although the their S&T book was ahead of it time…if read now , it will only be counterproductive…it is explains the pieces…but really never connects the mechanical dots…it’s far too long winded and tons of fluff…there is a weight shift paradox in a chapter…and the back foot was never explained when they say it pushes off…very incomplete…including how to hold the flying wedge…but I feel it was meant only as an introductory to S&T…and consequently I played something that really wasn’t S&T…and was so inconsistent I went back to my original crappy swing…and I returned to S&T only after I watched many of your videos…the details in your vast videos are incredibly effective…and the only way to learn , when lessons aren’t in your area, is from your channel…I for one would buy your future book My Complete Golf Fundamentals from Beginner to Expert on Stack and Tilt…as well, after your recommendation, I bought the Precision Impact…and will let you know how it works in in the Spring…

[@MrKingdonuts]

Excellent video Rob do you have a Video on Golf Machine Extensor Action that you teach ? I think Lynn Blake teaches that as well?

[@nedgermany]

Ok I’m confused. The stack and Tilt book says don’t let the wrists bend sideways. How can this be? If you form a flying wedge the right wrist must bend back or move to extension. So what the hell Rob?

[@djdibibar516]

Why is everything about the golf swing a secret but all over KZbin at the same time?

[@richardcharles290]

Throwing the club head is GARBAGE! Rob is right, don't believe the raves certain instructors on KZbin get for telling you to sling your hands past the ball.

[@Donzo51]

On the downswing, does the rotation pull the arms (a la game of crack the whip) prior to impact? My arms outrace my turn and get to the finish line first and belt buckle never gets to face the target. Also seems to pull me out of shoulder tilt on follow through, ugh.

[@afriendtoleanon3401]

ok i was hitting the ball better better when i had watched a video before that said to start with fwd shaft lean at set up . Then i saw a video that said you are robing yourself of loft with your irons . so i started to keep the handle one ball position in front of ball . I started to hit behind the ball . the last time out i had hit my 7 iron 150 and i usually have a hard time hitting it my 8 i hit 130 and solid with it . the 7 its a struggle . i was thinking its because i was not giving it enough fwd shaft lean . Also i see people who do stack and tilt still moving towards the target in the swing . I thought the goal was to post up on lead foot and stop movement back and fwd to create an easier low point ?

[@deehazen2352]

this is one time I wish I wasn't one of the 99 percenters!

[@patriotscientific]

Rob Cheney as good as it gets, from what I have seen.

[@paso193]

Glad I found this video! Concentrating on what the hands/wrists are supposed to do _finally_ crystallized in my thick skull how a proper golf swing should be taking place. Years of lessons, driving ranges and reading articles _never_ ever did or even illustrated this for me. Thanks, mate! Feel like I owe you an authentic lesson fee! LOL!

[@Michael-xd9pg]

is this the same as anti "casting".?

[@jjl8906]

Great video

[@pacovalencia5619]

Thank you

[@djelalhassan7631]

Great

[@will8804]

I absolutely love your instruction, Rob. But what you teach here is the complete opposite of what is prescribed in the S&T book: Our advice on the side bending of the wrists is simple: Don’t do it. Whatever side angles you see at address-with most players a practically straight line from the left arm down the shaft and an angle between the right arm and the shaft-should not change during the swing. (Many Stack & Tilt swingers refer to the side bend in the right wrist as the flying wedge, a term used in The Golfing Machine.) The only acceptable wrist action is the vertical hinging and unhinging. This is purely an up-and-down action, though it might appear to be side to side because the swing is on a tilted plane. You should set the side angles at address and maintain them as the wrists hinge and unhinge.

[@will8804]

@@golftecasia I’m definitely Team Rob on this one! The S&T book was published in 2009 - I presume we know more about how the wrists work in the swing now than we did back then.

[@jamiesloan7259]

Great content. I'm glad that you're not telling people to NOT release that bend. The key is to release it AFTER your hands have passed the ball.

[@tengkb1871]

How to train hip and upper body swing

[@tengkb1871]

Will try it this Sunday.Thanks

[@christophers.1517]

“That still means you!” 😆

[@ianrigby7260]

Wow!! I've only been watching your videos for a few weeks and my game has improved so much, the way you explain things in detail I personally think your the best golf coach on KZbin. Thank you for your great vidios 👍⛳😁

[@zeuszerzura8542]

Great Chanel, Rob, congratulations. Thanks to you I have improved a lot my game that was miserable since my hcp came down to 11, Best regards from Spain. Thanks for your help and great contribution.

[@martinnilsson495]

As usual, just brilliantly well explained - and crucial. Thank You for doing this!

[@ahmadghanem2414]

I consider this tip to be the secret to consistent ball striking

[@MarkHarter]

Your teaching style really resonates. Excited to try these drills on the range. Subscribed.

[@paulnelson826]

One of my favourite episodes .. it helps me smash the ball.. been playing 50 years .. learnt more abou

[@northotagogolf]

Hi Rob, One handed shots like that are actually very enjoyable to practice. Done correctly, it produces nice mini pitch shots which are very satisfying! *Good video Rob and very important*.

[@jackloyd2392]

Rob, greetings from Texas. I found this video (or it found me) a couple of days ago. I played today and the right forearm flying wedge concept was first and foremost in my mind today. I would judge that during my round today I had the best tee to green experience of my playing years. I shot in the mid 80's with only one double bogie - no thins, no mis-hits. My issues were putting related not ball striking. I attribute my better ball striking to the right forearm flying wedge and the consistency it provided across all of my clubs (except the putter). Thanks for your explanation and demonstration of these concepts.

[@tylerhurlburt33]

Hey Rob love the content. I struggle with consistent contact. I hit probably 300 balls this afternoon with just the right arm as you mention in this drill. Also ordered the Watson structure ball and Precision impact training aid. After I’m consistently making good contact with just the right arm what would be the next couple drills you might recommend to continue building this contact focused swing from the ground up?

[@tanderso2352]

Thanks Rob! This flying wedge and the right elbow "tuck" (The Secret of the "Trail Arm") are the two things I'm working on, so this video is immensely helpful. Thank you!

[@jamiesloan7259]

The only way to consistently have your hands forward at impact is to be slightly open at impact. Too many try to do this move with their hands only. They're hips haven't turned through enough to do it correctly. For me... When I do it correctly, it feels like the club is immediately exiting left after impact. Almost feels like I'm gonna hit a low fade.

[@jamiesloan7259]

@@golftecasia Thx Rob. Dead on.

[@danicadecrescenzo6582]

Rob Great instruction and great videos from both you and Nick Taylor I have read the stack and tilt book had multiple lessons stack and tilt but i think there is conflicting advice on wrist radial deviation in the back swing and whether you are trying to hold on to this ( and increasing in downswing ala Sergio Garcia and other stack and tilt vidoes suggest ) I get the flexion extenson component and having a flat left wrist and extended right wrist in the flying wedge at impact One of your videos on how the wrist work suggested that this radial deviation was being overdone as a mistake for lag and the book suggests in back swing that you gradual increase radial deviation /also check out Nick taylors video on "wrist hinge" Kind of confused on this so quite simple how should the wrists work in terms of radial and ulnar deviation in the standard push draw 6 iron ? I was under the belief that also that the radial deviation and subsequent ulnar deviation was a power generator Thanks for any tips By far and away the best golfing teaching videos online

[@user-qf4sx6up2t]

Great drill Rob! Thanks, Stavros

[@miker5502]

Many thanks Rob for this excellent explanation of the “ flying wedge”, this truly transformed my strike and compression of the golf ball. Started slowly one handed, and then moved slowly up to eventually hitting full shots and couldn’t believe what a difference this made at contact. Obviously I was throwing away the bend in the wrist before striking the ball, and this changed that, hitting the ball much, much more solidly. Great instruction! Cheer Mike.

[@miker5502]

@@golftecasia Almost had a hole in one today on my home course today using this technique!!! had a one foot tap in birdie..to say this has helped my strike would be an understatement…lol., can't thank you enough. I couldn’t wait to get to every shot today, knowing that I would hit the ball solid and very straight. Cheers from Nova Scotia. Mike.

[@jimk1887]

Rob, just tried this drill doing some short pitches (20-35 yds) ..first with one hand, then with both hands…and focused on maintaining the wedge every shot…amazing results as every one of my shots was a crisp strike with nice loft. No chunks..I believe it is because ….as you said ….your body has to rotate to give the club momentum and speed vice slinging my hands to swing the club, resulting in a predictable low point of the swing. I think I may adapt this for my short pitches from now on. Seems similar to your short gave pitching video without the wrist hing. Not really sure how to implement this with full swings as I have a tendency to roll my forearms too much in my full swings, resulting in hooks and pulls…does it just happen naturally with out thinking of releasing the club after ingrains this feeling?

[@mileslong4216]

Great video love the way you put it plain and simple . The Hank you Alejandro Gervasi San Angelo Texas

[@atitudlanggam3125]

I’ve been doing that for a while now. However, I sometimes won’t hit the ball or the ground even though I maintain my stance height. It feels like the radius is shortened.

[@arnevidarpedersen1198]

6 minutts into this brilliant lesson I found an answer to one of my own compensations. I’ve been «Forced» to stay very closed to avoid coming out to in. Keeping The flying wedge for longer let me stay square. Or rather, I have to stay square to avoid hooking three fairways left😂 Thanks a lot Rob!

[@tonyfrostad2730]

Rob that is a great practice tip to stop early release Thanks

[@alvor2762]

Always great to listen to your instruction and to try an put it into practice. Back in Alvor now. Very quiet at the range. Course also looks quiet. Better here than UK that's for sure. Thanks for the work that goes into your videos. Rich

[@haraldkriesche6050]

Wow what a feeling when exercising the one hand drill and then using the wedges with both hands but slowly pitching. Never experienced before

[@davidhust2123]

All that work I did on the racquetball court still haunts my golf swing. Now, I see the relevant aspect of the problem. Thanks!

[@PeterLundberg123]

Cheers, Rob. Well delivered and easy to understand. When attempting to apply the right forearm flying wedge, the shaft lean (to my untrained eye) seems excessive with delofting of the club as a consequence. Shall I simply disregard this and only focus on the right forearm, or is there a correlation between angle in your right wrist and shaft lean? Not sure I explained this well enough. If not, we can address this on Monday. Again, thanks for a superb instruction video.

[@MJB7322]

Rob, in some of your videos, your swing looks pretty vertical. In other S&T videos (T. Saguto), their swings seems more "around". This I believe is the crux of the issue I am trying to figure out. How much up and down vs how much around. When I focus on swinging more vertically, my swing seems to go down the target line instead of around (which isn't good), and then when I try to swing more around, then I tend to come over the top and the shoulder prematurely open. Do you have any videos or advice that can help with this issue? Thanks Rob

[@charlesdevinney1097]

The Stack and Tilt book states that the only hinge in the wrist is vertical and the flying wedge idea is not part of their theory. Rob, I prefer how you teach the right wrist but it seems to be in opposition to Stack and Tilt as outlined in the book.

[@mln3219]

I’m going to try this right away! Thank you! Does it matter which club you use?

[@jacksaintjack2844]

It's difficult for me because of the hundreds of basketball games I have played where you constantly flip with your dominant wrist (right wrist for right handed players). You flip when you shoot, and dribble and many times when you pass. By flip I mean going from flexion to extension. I have tried virtually everything for the last 30 years and continue to fight it, losing more often than succeeding in maintaining right wrist flexion thru the ball. MADDENING!

[@jorgebracerosr.7898]

I'm just trying the drill..Found that if I separate a little bit more the fingers on my right hand grip, it feels easier to keep the "wedge" angle as the hand feels "larger"... Just saying🤔

[@polarisconvert]

Wow Rob, this is really great stuff. Great channel

[@CDV99]

Thank you for an excellent video

[@JB-wy4iv]

12:32 that reminds me of the awesome Hit hard, stop quick Drill

[@dry509]

You just described my biggest miss... low point control. Thinning, hitting fat...

[@dry509]

@@golftecasia Thanks for the feedback. I am going to be working on that Flying Wedge. What do you think of the Mark Evershed right hand/arm approach to swinging the golf club that incorporates the wedge?

[@damianmcdonagh7908]

Great video. Maybe do a video on sustaining the lag as Homer Kelley continually espoused. I'm reading Scott Gummer's book about Homer Kelley. It's fascinating.

[@haraldkriesche6050]

To what extend should One reduce the angle of the flying wedge when the ball is on a tee, with a positive angle of attack?

[@arnevidarpedersen1198]

Will consentrate on left wrist bowed / flat do the same job? Arne, Norway

[@HA-fz9qz]

Flying wedge !!!! Endlich mal richtig gut erklärt!!! Sehr sehr gut! Bitte bitte bitte mehr zur golfing machine

[@megwich]

Amazing drill, feel that I can keep my elbows closer now, eliminating the Chicken Wing Finish - Thanks

[@davec.6013]

In this takeaway you seem to move the right wrist early into the wedge, which contradicts the 16 October video on the proper takeaway.

[@markwalker5523]

Rob, excellent video. Just a couple query about something that confuses me a lot. You said that the wrist angle is retained but is decreasing as you come into impact is that happening naturally or are you making it happen with your wrists ? And is it okay to let it release completely once it's past impact ? Thanks

[@gdlblues1]

Thank you Rob...nobody has ever explained that like you did. My right wrist always flipped and no one ever told me about the flying wedge.I am sure going to be working on that.Thanks again..I will be following.

[@patkrebsgolf]

Love the video, however how can contact be fundamental when it's by definition, dependent on other variables to achieve a perfect and consistent position?

[@MrKingdonuts]

This absolutely works thanks a million the best I ever hit the ball 🙌🏽 👍🏾 Thanks Rob

[@MrKingdonuts]

Hey Rob thanks a million for this it absolutely works my question is should this the flying wedge system be applied to any takeaway rather you push with the left side or pull with right side or use your core (ribcage) far the flying wedges ?

[@josephfritsch2682]

Hi Rob. I really enjoy your instructions you explain everything. Could you help with fairway woods. I top them a lot.

[@jamesedwards3266]

Does he mean me???? 😎🏌🏿‍♂️

[@alexharvey7102]

I guess this is why I hit it thin and don’t take a divot

[@robdobbie9299]

I have got much netter contact using this method, now to translate it on the course today

[@slowpickr]

I've adopted S&T and have been researching the flying wedge. I've seen it illustrated with chip shots, light weight paddles, etc. The problem I'm having is physics. There's a lot of momentum and forces at play trying to maintain a right hand wedge on a full power downswing due to the weight of the shaft and clubhead. So how does one maintain the flying wedge on full swings? I don't think it's muscular power in the wrist and forearm resisting angular momentum. Any help would be appreciated.

[@slowpickr]

@@golftecasia Thanks. Yes, your explanation helps. I'm guessing my rotation is sub-par or sometimes I rush the arms from the top which contributes to the wedge (lag) loss on the way down.

[@tommiller6034]

Rob, such great instruction, detailed and explained so WE understand why we need this. I struggle with consistent clean ball striking, I'll try this along with weight forward. Maybe I can finally hit ball then leave divot verses the opposite. There's hope.

[@CoryProducts]

Yet another excellent instruction. You are absolutely correct Rob. 99% of all golfers lose the flying wedge (waving my hand in the air wildly as even though I tried by watching many videos about forward shaft lean. This one handed drill is superb and am incorporating the short swing and stop from your previous videos. I can't wait till next spring but I will be honing this drill all winter. The more I do it the more natural it becomes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I for one truly appreciate it. BTW, I am taking a series of lessons and practice time at my local GT.

[@tmunday7270001475143]

Would you recommend this same wrist position when hitting a driver?

[@tmunday7270001475143]

@@golftecasia thank you for the reply! I've been watching alot of your videos and look forward to working on your drills. You have a very good way of explaining the stack & tilt swing..its always seemed complicated to me. Thank you for your lessons! I'm a following fan now

[@ryanwillhite2190]

This is exactly me, I will drill this into my brain until it works. I am also a not head tilter which I will also fix. Thank you Rob.

[@grovercarter1126]

Hey Rob. Enjoy your lessons! I know all the numbers you have on the swing I wonder if you could do lessons on the average numbers for certain points in the swing from setup to follow through! Thank you sir!

[@vicreichle2931]

It really helps me to feel the shaft pressure in the right fingers, not the right fingers pressuring the shaft on the downswing.

[@egonolsen8243]

Very helpful! Thank You!!!

[@eddiegibson1778]

Great lesson flying wedge!

[@docomo661]

How do we know we are doing it correctly, if we don't get ourselves on video / slow-mo? Any training aids that can help?

[@docomo661]

@@golftecasia Thanks Rob! I’ve done lessons with Brienne in HK and currently with Mike Bygrave. But too little time to chat about everything during the lessons!

[@strummer9837]

Great info have subscribed

[@keithspicer9374]

so at what point in the swing after contact does the flying wedge release to straighten?

[@georgiamay4045]

Glad that you made the distinction between not releasing at all and not forcing the hold beyond impact.

[@markyoung3384]

All right! Were you watching me at the driving range today? Low point was one way to describe it.

[@jefffletcher6505]

Great visuals Rob. Headed to the range to try it this morning.

[@randymotsinger5045]

Rob, does this also hold true for the driver? Excellent lesson, I will try this tomorrow.

[@johnschwartz1536]

Another very informative video Rob on the flying wedge! I rebuilt my golf swing based on what I called a bent back right wrist or "the flying wedge!" Now, just like 90% of golfers, I probably error in prematurely releasing it prior to impact. Something I am trying to correct. The drills that you suggested should help tremendously in overcoming this challenge. I always learn from your videos Rob! Keep up the good work!

[@johnschwartz1536]

@@golftecasia Today, I again viewed this video! I think I discovered how to help my rotational challenge via your right arm "flying wedge" drill which emphasizes rotation. Thanks again Rob!!!

[@ianwilliams15]

Thanks Rob. Doing this exercise slowly also highlighted the amount I was sliding forward to maintain the low point. It is helping me to focus on turning the left hip out of the way more. If I had done the exercise at full speed first of all, the sliding motion would not have been so obvious. Many thanks.

[@salvagg6349]

Great lesson Rob!!

[@robbirkin65]

Great video Rob, I can so relate to this. Thank you 👍

[@jerrylooi4768]

Very good

[@JB-wy4iv]

Great as always. Doesn't that equal the idea of the flat left hand?

[@JB-wy4iv]

@@golftecasia so the flying wedge/left flat wrist when is that topic? Not yet in the backswing as the takeaway would be to shallow?

[@JB-wy4iv]

Just saw your video on wrists: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4XXkIF6fNiVqtk All clear, as a slicer, I will work on that starting in the setup👌

[@ZedmecSFB]

Loved it

[@geekone6621]

I’ll watch again, but it would be nice to see the actual desired impact position rather than many, many descriptions of the feeling of impact. Feelings aren’t real. I’d like to see the actual desired perfect flying wedge impact position. And then I can determine how I feel when I see I’m hitting it. Thanks!

[@geekone6621]

@@golftecasia Thanks! Your video on the wrists last week was really amazing. I have always rolled the wrists because I though you were supposed to and sometimes timing it well enough to shoot scratch. Only recently did I learn and your video reinforced NOT to do that. However, last week through your video, I also realized that to get more power I was probably over cocking the wrists vertically and opening the face too much, where I should be more bowed/flat with the left and cupped with the right as in the flying wedge which I’m also watching again. For someone who has over cocked and rolled/flipped because they thought that was correct, it is very difficult to not do that now. Exceedingly frustrating. I’m still not totally clear if there is no vertical wrist cock or just slight. Anyway, I’m really wanting to understand how much cup in the right at impact and how flat/bowed the left is. I’m getting the wrists are straight a few feet past the ball? Anyway, that was why I was so interested as this is a big issue for me as my scores have gone up a lot making these changes.

[@geekone6621]

@@golftecasia But, how much cup in the right wrist? I get the left wrist straight / ever so slightly bowed, but it is the right where I have the question. I understand there are some variances, just trying to understand ideal.

[@geekone6621]

@@golftecasia Sounds good. I have watched some of your other videos where you are demonstrating other points and where you freeze the video either at or shortly after contact/impact and often I see almost perfectly straight right and left wrists, so I “felt” like the right cupping wouldn’t be too much, but just wasn’t sure. I also think that not “tilting enough” (back and through) has made me release the wrist angles too early... Anyway, thanks for your patience and assistance. Much appreciated!

[@renatomaniulit6189]

Great!