Golf Swing Draw Vs. Fade Patterns

Draw Vs. Fade Patterns in the Golf Swing. We took a deep dive today into the sometimes subtle differences between a stable draw and stable fade pattern in the golf swing.
Which is your preferred? 🤔
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[@jturzer4928]

I can listen to you guys talk about golf all day. You're so knowledgeable and explain things in such a mind-blowing way! Keep it up!!

[@elitegolfschools]

You rock! Thank you 🙏

[@The_sunday_lout]

Watched this video 3 times now and every time I enjoy it more. Actually had a evening just practicing alternating the shot patterns. 60 odd balls later, push draw and pull fade on demand. You fella’s are BALLERZ!!!!

[@elitegolfschools]

You’re the man!! Super fun practice 🙏

[@tomn5188]

This is now my favorite video of yours.

[@elitegolfschools]

So glad you enjoyed 🙏

[@Chris_Traynor]

Enjoyed that immensely chaps!

[@elitegolfschools]

Glad to hear it!

[@geoffreyfld]

Absolutely good stuff fellas! 👍👍👍

[@elitegolfschools]

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[@VoodooZ]

Great stuff as usual. Need to get my pivot working first but this will be invaluable to self-diagnose on the course...

[@elitegolfschools]

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[@TrEuDaT]

This is an amazing video. Subscribed

[@elitegolfschools]

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[@alexander.aichelburg654]

Always great stuff

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you!

[@jonsmith9424]

I love the way you are building on previous fundamentals. The “engine” stays essentially the same but the emphasis changes one way or the other to alter ball flight. Never could get the nine windows thing - way too many moving parts for me (guess there is only one person on the planet it works for!!). Awareness and control of chest rotation and club CoM, not club head, has improved my ball striking immensely. Thanks again.

[@elitegolfschools]

So glad you’re enjoying bro! 🙏

[@grahamjones7371]

When i was a short straight hitter i could fade and draw at will just by altering my set up.But now thanks to you guys im on a different level of ball striking and hit further But i going to have to work hard on swing patterns as you guys seem to be hitting fades and draws from the same stance

[@elitegolfschools]

Definitely a skill to be developed 👍

[@laurentparmentier6103]

That was awesome again

[@elitegolfschools]

Appreciate it!

[@1_pieceofwork]

Great stuff!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thank you!

[@jairbenke2492]

Amazing content🎉

[@elitegolfschools]

Appreciate you 🙏

[@Sebastian-yx7co]

Awesome stuff as always. As someone who hits it too low, would love something similar to explain high/low/medium flights

[@elitegolfschools]

Coming soon!

[@tedwilliams4833]

Another GREAT video. When hitting say an 8-iron to PW off of a particularly tight fairway lie with very compact soil under the turf surface I can get some squirrelly different types of spins from the clubhead sole sliding underneath the ball vs leading edge of club face digging into the turf after impact - are we better off going with a pull-cut or block-draw for more consistent results off of such a lie? And a follow-up question - do you recommend using block-draw vs pull-cut depending on different lies [fluffy lies in rought, ball sitting down in rough, sidehill, uphill...et al]? Thanks for all of the great videos - I've transformed my swing accordingly and I'm very happy with the results and the potential for getting even better with my ball striking by mixing it up with different types of ball flights.

[@elitegolfschools]

I wouldn’t say there is any “ideal” flights in this case. Based on what you’ve said I would move towards pull cuts in order to move the bottom out forward 👍

[@vanceweber4094]

Fantastic video. When TJ is articulating at around 8.30 what he feels for left shot, he says ".....feeling earlier rib rotation..." and then demonstrates. Is it actually more rib SWAY leftward that he is really feeling? Because he still looks closed and left shoulder still low. Thanks for a reply. Again fantastic video.

[@sammarcotte3056]

Thank you for these videos, it’s super insightful. Would it be possible for you guys to have a launch monitor setup and the projector on so we can see the shot hit after every explanation?

[@elitegolfschools]

Good idea for some videos, especially ball flight centric

[@user-gh6uj3vb1t]

When you raise the shoulder up in the down swing when doing a draw are you still keeping the upper arm snuggly connected to the chest?

[@thegreatproductspage1860]

Good content, please make a backswing video on how to load and turn the spine on the backswing. You touched on it briefly but would love a full video.

[@elitegolfschools]

I would check out the video, “loading the spiral line” 🌀 lots of goodies in relation to what you’re discussing

[@naivhear887]

Awesome as always! If the goal is to improve ball striking, do you guys have a preference in movement pattern? From your previous videos I feel like it would be fade but just checking.

[@elitegolfschools]

No preference! As long as the ball flight is stable (not curving a crazy amount) we see great patterns in both 👍🏼

[@sucari0001]

Hola muchachos...genial el video...me gustaria puedan explicar como pegar una bola baja y una alta...daludos desde argentina

[@elitegolfschools]

You got it! Great idea!

[@VoodooZ]

Was rewatching this, now that I got a better handle on the various parts and feels for each.. It's the type of video that keep getting better on rewatch... Was wondering if you could add some launch monitor data at some point so we can see what TJ's fade and draw patterns end up like. I noticed you had E6 and flightscope so I thought I'd ask. I have a Mevo+ in my garage so I rely on it to reinforce feels with real data.. in this case I'm trying to convince my "brain" that I should do a draw even though I've suffered from Pull-draws for years.. Hard to trust on the course.. The fade feel is scary as it's too close to my current swing so want to learn to neutralize it somewhat first.

[@CharlesHillier]

Another breakthrough video for me. Never could hit a fade, but tried per video, and fell in love with fades. (Draw a bit wild). Started playing all fades on course, and stayed in play like never before. BUT, lost like 20-30% on irons! Short, pitch, 2-putt bogeys all day. Switched back to draw, and all the fade training has made my draw much better! (Mind blown). I still want my fade, can you make a video on retaining distance on iron fades? (Woods also shorter but acceptable) (I Do hit 1-in-20 iron fades as far as my draws, but don't know why.) Love your channel, got my beginner son-in-law dedicated to your system, & he nailed a HIO on a pitch & putt yesterday.

[@elitegolfschools]

Wow! So many gains in this message it’s awesome! Would love to talk about distance management between fade bias and draw bias. Thanks for reaching out!

[@CharlesHillier]

@@elitegolfschools I should say, it's your "creating space" and "relatively earlier release into draw" that has made my draw so much better. It "feels" like my fade release is "too late to help" if that makes any sense.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@CharlesHillier let’s goooooo!! #stabledraws

[@nicholaslyman1691]

So, what would this ultimately mean in energy terms? I'm asking because I want to understand how this would apply to 5 iron down. As you guys have alluded to, the chest rotation rate correlates to energy release in the club. Therefore, we must radically rotate the chest to facilitate a proper delivery/release of the driver. Knowing this, how would this work with the fade pattern if we are loaded for longer/releasing the energy later?? I understand why we need to curve the hub leftward, but wouldn't this prevent us from releasing more energy/earlier??

[@jronqs1294]

Hi guys thanks so much for these vids. I was wondering if you guys have done a video focusing on just low point? Because every time I try your feels and Milo lines feels, on video I do get open torso and hips wise and also compress and lower. Like it legitimately looks good on video. But I can’t figure out for the life of me how you guys have such a consistent low point. Because I’m feeling hands stay up squat and get open, it feels like I’m praying to god it somehow hits ball turf. But so either thin or fat it 90% of the time. Feel wise do you guys feel like you input anything to your arms in the down swing? Thank you guys!!

[@elitegolfschools]

We should do a low point video!

[@user-gh6uj3vb1t]

In your system do you at address modify your grip and stance for hitting a cut or draw? cheers

[@elitegolfschools]

For the most part no. Unless you need to work the ball aggressively want to keep foundation the same

[@willchulamanis-vd8bq]

My hub goes through my left shoulder at the finish of downswing. HELP! You guys are the best BTW.

[@derikjh13]

Trying to hit the fade and it seems to create low shots. Thoughts on what I could be doing through impact?

[@elitegolfschools]

May need to create a bit more extension so the club can release earlier 🤷‍♂️ hard to say without seeing the swing

[@jaystarrr1]

Jesus you have no idea how much I been looking for someone to show how to unload or where to unload lol. I’m a 3 hdcp and I cannot figure out how to unload hahaha. Altho not unloading is how I stay in play but I’m robbing my self of distance of the tee and days I will be dragging for days and go from a 3 to 6 for a while ahha.

[@elitegolfschools]

Haha! Let’s go bro!

[@VoodooZ]

Also, forgot to ask: What about ball position changes for fade/draws? Does TJ subconsciously do it or? Probably not required but I assume putting ball back makes a draw easier and less likely it will turn to a pull-hook. Thanks.

[@elitegolfschools]

Can definitely change up ball position, but this is purely on changes in the movement

[@TrEuDaT]

Do you move ball position forward any for the pull cut compared to stock setup?

[@elitegolfschools]

Certainly can do this as well

[@TrEuDaT]

@@elitegolfschools gotcha, but did ya'll do it in the video? i dont think you adjusted ball position after you setup for stock at the beginning of the fade and draw lessons.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@TrEuDaT not in the vid 🙏

[@TrEuDaT]

@@elitegolfschools thank you!

[@sulleysaad3266]

I wish you guys were in Michigan !! 😅

[@elitegolfschools]

Come check us out online bro! Plenty of coaches who are steeped in improving games virtually 🙏

[@JJBIRDIEGOLF]

Would ball position be in the same place?

[@elitegolfschools]

For simplicity between stable draw and stable fade, yes. But if you want to add move curve, you can move draws back in the stance and fades up in the stance 🙏

[@JJBIRDIEGOLF]

@@elitegolfschools Thank you!!! See you guys soon!!!

[@Charles-xm1ml]

Need a simulator….Good videos.

[@elitegolfschools]

Well, ask and you shall receive… GCQuad just came in 😜

[@petercrocitto7383]

If you called each other morning you’ll be wearing the same color pants too! 😂

[@elitegolfschools]

Someday it’ll happen 🤦‍♂️

[@scottschenk1759]

Face Sends it, Path Bends it

[@TheGoodGadfly]

So, what you are saying is hit a pull-fade!😂 The draw has a lot more moving parts.