I was a clubmaker in 60's and 70's in the Craigton golf company. We made MacGregor woods on behalf of MacGregor . Perhaps I made those woods! I loved the job and we made beautiful woods.
@thecadman994 жыл бұрын
I have a set of Gorman woods and irons, and heard they were actually made by Macgregor, any truth to that?
@TheCampsies4 жыл бұрын
@@thecadman99 The Craigton Golf Co was in Glasgow Scotland, we made clubs under license for MacGregor for sale in the UK and Europe. MacGregor had their own factory I believe in Ohio. Perhaps the Gorman clubs were made there. We also made our own brand and signature clubs for Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Bobby Cole, Peter Townsend, Neil Coles, Barbara Romack.
@ng89814 жыл бұрын
@@TheCampsies Don't forget Brenda Blumberg, Christy O'Connor and John Frew
@jllewellyn37763 жыл бұрын
I do remember the Craigton Thunderer driver.
@jllewellyn37763 жыл бұрын
@@ng8981 John Frew made his own clubs in the late 70's. He was based at Bury St Edmunds golf club in Suffolk and produced a number of different irons. One was called Punch which were a rip off of the Ping. Played with him in a few pro ams. I seem to remember he had a polish guy working with him making the clubs.
@drrob19634 жыл бұрын
In 1970, Jack was in an 18 hole playoff for the Open Championship at St Andrews (Old Course). Against Doug Sanders, Jack was just 1 shot ahead teeing it up on the 18th hole - a par 4 of 356 yards. A tee shot close to the green could win it..... but there's out of bounds right.....a bad shot could lose it! Sanders had already hit the fairway, and Jack decided to go for the green - 356 yards away - with a balata ball - with a 42.75" persimmon headed driver, and some wind assistance. Could he hit it that far, that straight, under that pressure??? A great shot is a thing of beauty. Jack hit it flush, and put it through the green! THROUGH THE GREEN!!! Thats gotta be at least 380 yards - unbelievable!!! Of course he won - a good chip, a good putt. Birdie...... Best. Golfer. Ever.
@stevedriscoll25399 ай бұрын
Great Story, heard and read of it many times❤...I just prefer Tiger over Jack
@Weshopwizard4 жыл бұрын
The sound of a well struck ball using a persimmon driver cannot be matched.
@JettyBuilder4 жыл бұрын
Beaten only by the echo off the trees around the tee
@hugh-johnfleming2894 жыл бұрын
I had a 'Matzi' persimmon driver for years. And a Tommy Armor 4 wood, solid persimmon as well that I played until I broke the damn thing. THAT was a great club. I have an Armour 5(metal) wood, gotta be 20 years old, that still hits so pure...
@spikebaduccino66134 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@hittitecharioteer4 жыл бұрын
I used to play a Toney Penna Jupiter Slammer driver 10º DynamicGold R400. Deep face. Couldn't believe it when I first tried a TaylorMade "Original One", (~ 1985?) also 10º - and hit the Titleist balata almost 25 yards past it! And, the TaylorMade could be used off the deck. There was no going back after that.
@fradaja4 жыл бұрын
Hitting modern drivers isn't as pleasurable , the game is also in decline at club level , is there a link ?
@invisaman754 жыл бұрын
I walk 9 at the local course playing classic clubs frequently. I have a lot of fun doing it. Some of my playing partners don't get it but to each his own. I really love that bag! Enjoy!
@davidmacdonald80214 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a full set of Ping Eye 2+ irons with matching Ping 1-3 Wood (real wood) for £50. Took them out and played my best round in ages! The Ping Laminated maple 3 & 5 woods in particular are just divine,... who needs a hybrid?...
@jllewellyn37763 жыл бұрын
@@davidmacdonald8021 Wait until you get hold of a Ping Eye 2 six or seven wood. Funny to look at but lovely to hit. I currently play a set of Ping Zing 2 irons that must be coming on 40 years old. Not a mark on them. Wonderful irons.
@juliantaylor83713 жыл бұрын
I guess it is quite randomly asking but does anybody know of a good website to watch newly released series online?
@vincenzobrennan33053 жыл бұрын
@Julian Taylor flixportal
@juliantaylor83713 жыл бұрын
@Vincenzo Brennan thanks, signed up and it seems to work :) I really appreciate it !
@NRJyzr4 жыл бұрын
A note on the golf ball comparison... older wound golf balls lose significant performance as they age, much more so than solid core balls. The tension in the elastic windings lessens with age, robbing the balls of distance. A test with a newly manufactured wound ball may show considerably less difference. Love this video. :)
@glennwiebe51284 жыл бұрын
I surmised that that might be the case.
@A-FrameWedge4 жыл бұрын
NRJyzr They stopped making wound Balata balls in the 90’s.
@NRJyzr4 жыл бұрын
@@A-FrameWedge I found evidence that may not be 100% true. Six or seven years ago (or so), I found a small stash (for sale) of Maxfli HT-100s with actual balata covers. They appeared to have been manufactured in Japan only a couple years prior, at most. Bought a couple dozen, they were fairly interesting. :)
@alexanderhyder31994 жыл бұрын
Yep, my dad and I once tried playing with an 80s-vintage sleeve of Titleists, and they were D-E-A-D. You could hit a perfect drive and it would go nowhere. They went in the garbage after a couple holes.
@raeyearnd32604 жыл бұрын
In the U.S. the dunlop 65 was a store line ball,, not a pro line ball. back then it made a difference,,
@daleb75754 жыл бұрын
I love the old clubs. I bust out my old Powerbuilt Citations 2-SW with matching persimmon woods when ever I need to work on my ball stricking needs work. Love the feel and it just makes me appreciate golf that much more. You have to hit the middle or pay the price.
@kennethmarshall3064 жыл бұрын
I'm 54, and, if all the claims from ball and club manufacturers that I have read about "revolutionary breakthroughs" were true, we should be hitting 400yards and holing nine out of ten putts . Golf is the ultimate game for marketing B/S.
@robertdore95924 жыл бұрын
As a 56 year old I agree with you, for me, the game is really all about developing as consistent and neutral a swing as possible. This guys obviously a good player with a nice swing, we should all endeavor to emulate this. BTW: the so called Tiger Woods 'stinger' is a great example of marketing - it's just a punch shot :-)
@Kaptainrdean4 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Marshall Have you tried custom fitting?
@Kaptainrdean4 жыл бұрын
SuperTrader Mikey I'm 36 so have no where near your insight, but I have used permission in my teens and found a couple of titleist balata 90's in an old bag last week which I played a round with today. Lost about 30yds on the drive and more than a club on the irons. They don't spin as much as a prov1x either. Huge difference!
@johnnypenso95743 жыл бұрын
You need to do a bit of research. There's zero question today's clubs and balls are longer than ever. The ball in particular is revolutionary. Pros used to hit drivers with 3500-4000 rpm of spin now they're in the low 2000s while retaining more than enough spin to stop balls on greens even with fairway woods and long irons. There's probably at least 50 yards difference off the tee between the modern ball/clubs and classic balls/clubs.
@kennethmarshall3063 жыл бұрын
Johnny Penso Research unnecessary because I play every day with the latest equipment. I know that the clubs and ball are better. I’m taking about the total exaggeration by manufacturers over the 45 years that I have been playing and reading
@cgoodson14384 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this review. I expected any review of older clubs to focus on all the negatives but you took a positive & appreciative approach I found wonderful. As you say being a good ball striker is key to using these clubs and the skill it requirers. I think the ball is key as well, older balls have a shelf life and they spin/curve so much more than modern ball which again reveals any flaw in the swing or strike. Note: I started in the game with these types of clubs and still have a set of the Macgregor Eye O Matic persimmon woods 1-4 on my wall produced in 1955. I bought them as "playable classics" in the 1970's and used them. They were the best persimmon clubs in the history of golf.
@banditbaker16754 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this vid Joel, it was a trip down memory lane for me as my first full set of clubs were VIP's which were given to me by my Uncle as a present when I went off to Uni. I chuckled to myself at the size of some of your divots, back in the day the fairways weren't as closely mown so the ball tended to sit up more on top of the turf, you learnt how not to take a divot. Chamfered sole relief only became necessary when groundsmen started to mow the fairways like Greens, to this day I still struggle to take a divot.
@CRSPerformance4 жыл бұрын
I have an original set of Nicklaus Muirfield irons, set number 62. Used them for 3 years as a junior and mu scores were identical and qualified for u.s amateur using them as well
@4darkvader2 жыл бұрын
Joel much Aloha to you for this video, brought back dear memories of the good old days and my younger years using my MacGregor Eye-O-Matic driver and 3 wood, Wilson Staff fg-17 irons 1 thru SW and a 8813 putter, golf ball of choice the titleist balata 90 compression, all in a HotZ golf bag and wearing leather metal spike shoes. Green fees were $4.00 a round at either the AlaWai, Pali and TedMakalena Municipal Golf Courses and split $12.00 with my buddy for the golfcart and off we went, then go home at 2 in the morning and do it again next week. That’s how we rolled chasing the Sun in Hawaii.
@stevedriscoll25399 ай бұрын
Wonderful memories...I too have great memories of yesteryear playing on those warm Southern California evenings
@jakobnordin3 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same MacGregor bag in white and green too! Bought it 1994 and I still use it. Great quality because mine also looks like it’s new. Nice to see, I haven’t seen that exact model anywhere else.
@davidjackson7051 Жыл бұрын
Love the sound of of a well hit wood driver
@Skyscraper330 Жыл бұрын
Seeing those woods give a whole new reference to the saying hit it on the screws!
@patrickwhitehead75844 жыл бұрын
I've got a set of MacGreggor Great Scott irons from the late 70s or so. I love playing them. When you hit them well it's like spreading butter on toast!
@thecadman994 жыл бұрын
Love the VIP Macs. I'm still playing the newer 1025M today and haven't found anything better.
@jeremeymiller34062 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool to see how far golf technology has come it’s been a great thing for the sport allowing a lot more people to play at all skill levels will the level of forgiveness in the clubs back them I’m sure it was a bit of a deterrent for the hand eye coordinatedly challenged lol while it’s cool to take them out on the range or the course we are never going to be able to get that original feel how it was back then because of the ways the courses are set up not only the length difference but with tightly trimmed fairways and greens making them much quicker than when these clubs were actually used ive heard Jack say several times going over old shots that in this position today this would be dead because of the speed of the greens he likened them to putting on some of these closely clipped fairways the guys play on today and their fairway being like the primary cut of rough. I will say if you ar struggling with your ball striking these old relics are a great training tool to clean that up the blades compared to now have about a quarter sized sweet spot it’s instant feedback
@ivyfalls14 жыл бұрын
I started playing golf in the 1970s using the same VIP irons, Citation persimmon woods, and balata balls. Today people talk about game improving irons versus blades. . .well back then they were all blades!!
@sparky60864 жыл бұрын
If I recall, the smaller ball was the standard in the UK, and golfers in the US used to use them, because, since they were smaller in relation to the hole, than the slightly larger US standard ball, they were more likely to go in the hole, rather than rim the cup.
@Kaptainrdean4 жыл бұрын
You killed it with the 1 iron. Bravo.
@stevebuchanan482910 ай бұрын
I remember watching good pros in Florida in the late ‘60’s, and the drivers would start out low and then ballon up because the balata balls spun so much. I think Nicklaus and Chi chi learned to tee the ball really high to take that spin out a bit and carry it further.
@Carbivore674 жыл бұрын
When Ben Hogan hit his three wood in the fw, the "crack" that was heard on impact was terrifying and caused heads to turn.
@stevedriscoll25399 ай бұрын
I have dreamed of watching Hogan in his prime
@matthewmurison99252 жыл бұрын
Love my old ben hogans. 1961 power thrust. Currently in the bag... scoring the same as my modern clubs too.
@johnnursall4084 жыл бұрын
And to think a young Jack Nicklaus hit that driver over 300 yards, regularly.
@johnnursall4084 жыл бұрын
@David Hargreaves If it's a Tommy Armour 945 like Jack's then it's surely worth a fortune.
@pb126614 жыл бұрын
I shot a 72 on a legitimate course back in the day with a set just like this.....I probably couldn't break 100 with them now. Technology has come SOOOO far since I (us old timers) started playing the game.
@user-hm7qz9fh6y4 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I bought those clubs (used) in 1968 when I started playing You’re missing the 4,5 wood from the set. Yes, divots were “strip steaks”. It was crucial to stare just ahead of the ball during your swing. This prevented fat shots as you hit the ball clean and the divot followed.
@paulheimberger84064 жыл бұрын
I used to call a good divot a "beaver pelt"!
@stratovani2 жыл бұрын
Now you're playing real golf! You're connecting with the soul of the game, and it's not dependent on distance but on feel. I have a classic set myself, with Ben Hogan persimmon woods, Walter Hagen forged irons, Wilson wedges, and a Bulls Eye putter. Want to groove a solid, repeatable swing? Play classic clubs. They won't hesitate to let you know when you hit a bad shot.
@Wilson1-d5c2 жыл бұрын
I got a couple of persimmon woods myself recently, last Friday, I played with a persimmon 2 wood and managed to get a couple of good shots off the tee
@thebigeasy86094 жыл бұрын
It's so refreshing isn't it? I have been using vintage irons and persimmon woods for 2 years now. Love it! Just play from the whites and enjoy!
@mikeb38354 жыл бұрын
My brother has a set of M/T McGregor irons that he learned to play golf with. He used to take huge divots with the razor sharp edge on those tiny heads.
Ай бұрын
Got a set of these 4 years ago for cheap on Marketplace as a starter kit. It feels like you have to commit and it forces you to focus to hit good and not just relly on the technology of modern clubs. I really like these as a new comer. And makes people talk when they see my 2 iron and the brown "papi" woods.
@bobbywrongway64944 жыл бұрын
Had a Powerbilt persimmon driver, the one with the brass on the back of the head. It was heavy and stiff but it was what we used and I liked it. I currently use a Toski driver from the 90's that has what would now be considered a smallish head but it has the hottest face I've ever seen. Haven't been able to hit anything else as good so in the bag it stays. I used the same baseball glove for 5 seasons, 9 counting summer. Maybe I just don't like change.
@Paul-cm7ie7 ай бұрын
Really nice to watch types of clubs my father played. Great sound the driver made on the course
@stucrossland37192 жыл бұрын
I remember taking apart an old Dunlop golf ball and its a small jell filled soft rubber ball wrapped with elastic then the white outer coating.
@stevenichols46394 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see modern players using a full set of these and see how they do. Modern clubs are much more foregiving
@peterlund64954 жыл бұрын
Some of the best clubs ever made memories brilliant.
@estebanclark30922 жыл бұрын
I remember, I put a Ben Hogan Legend driver in my bag for fun. I pulled it out on the last hole and hit my best drive of the round. Never underestimate old clubs. Or maybe I just suck and got really lucky. Either way, I bring it sometimes and it still hits well.
@jeffnahass83732 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of older clubs out there. The feel is great, especially the VIP series. I found a set at thrift 3-PW for $13US. A bit of rust from sitting for 30 years. Faces perfect. Cleaned them up, added 1/2” to length, and changed the grips. Felt great. I hit the 3 iron 220 on a par 3, and hit the green. Great feel.
@happygolfer63354 жыл бұрын
I have a 2-SW 1978 Wilson staff tour blades, 2-SW 1969 Wilson bullet backs, and a set of low profile 3-PW sam snead blue ridge. I love taking those old clubs out for a spin once in a while. I have a ping eye 2 persimmons that I use off the tee. For the putter I use the Arnold Palmer AP personal. Great sets. I am kind of a Wilson fan boy, for my gaming Irons I use the Wilson V6.
@alanrothsman17514 жыл бұрын
I use to play MacGregor Golden Bears 20th ann Murfield Village.... If my mind serves me well. Back in the late 80's they got destroyed on the Brabazon fairway with all the bricks in them it used to be famous for it's hardcore fairways, I worked there and played it hundreds of times over the years. I think I hit the best 3 iron I ever hit in my life with those irons out of a bunker, they were lovely blades. We're always up sold with all these innovations, a set of 10-20 year old irons are just as good as the new ones in the same condition stamped out yesterday only they don't have a poster child in all the magazines and a 100K marketing budget, no profit in trying to sell folks clubs they already own. I spoke to someone at a local course last year and he had spent close to 3K on his bag and clubs, not just one set, his remote control trolley, his putters, he played off around 24 on a great day, I asked him why not spend a bit more and pay to have someone hit the balls for him and drag him around the course too. He was the personification on Rodney Dangerfield.
@stevedriscoll25399 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 funny stuff!
@Biffwellington45184 жыл бұрын
Ha! I still play those exact irons.
@adriancox-thesantjordigolf36464 жыл бұрын
Still use my Wilson Staff Tour Blades fg.17s from 1978. With modern balls they loose a little, but if you are good!
@crazybunkum4 жыл бұрын
I started playing golf with a 2nd hand half set in 1978 - I remember it had a Bobby Locke bladed 4 iron with a brown leather grip. I used to play it off the tee and averaged about 180 yards. 😀
@ciaradonnelly46274 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, my first set was a Jack Nicklaus Golden Bear set of blades, very similar to these, still easy to hit, much heavier than new gear but feel great, especially on a links course
@jllewellyn37763 жыл бұрын
I had one of the first Ping Answer putters to come to the UK. Ping had no salesforce in the UK in those days and their putter was marketed/sold by the Slazenger company. Nicklaus played Slazenger clubs in the UK back then and the Ping Answer putter was stamped on the back with all the Ping wording but on the bottom of the putter it was stamped Jack Nicklaus and Slazenger. The shaft had a Slazenger/Ping foil label. I used it for many years until I had my car broken into and golf clubs stolen. There can't be many of them still around.
@ng89813 жыл бұрын
They sell for silly money now too, £300 to £400
@malarkeywithmatt23962 ай бұрын
At 10:40 id agree with you there, I built a club set of ping eye 2 persimmon woods and Wilson staff tour blade irons and wedges, old ping putter. Started playing them and it slowed my tempo down and controlled my focus. My swing and score have gotten progressively better since switching.
@LJ-ig5sl4 жыл бұрын
Your 7 iron loft versus the VIP is way stronger. Hence the higher spin and less yardage with VIP. You should have compared your 9 iron to the 7 VIP.
@MrJohnr474 жыл бұрын
L J some of the older irons, pre 1970s or so, have much shorter staffs-possible an inch less or so. This could also attribute to distance loss. Given same length shafts and modern balls, you distance loss shouldn’t be less significant.
@kenbagwell85514 жыл бұрын
Yea, and I would suspect the pros would have them bent to a stronger loft.
@garymartin6744 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video I have an old set of Johnny Miller think I might take them out after this 👍
@josephdubiel71294 жыл бұрын
I would have had a pretty tough time with those clubs lol. But I would have tried for sure. Looks like fun. You handled them well Joel and it was a pleasure to watch you do it. . Good analysis of those old clubs. Peace my friend. Spider Dubiel
@stevefowler21122 жыл бұрын
I started playing golf at my first job out of Engineering College in the mid 80's and my first set was MacGregor with real woods, and metal shafts though they certainly were not the top of their line likes Jack's clubs. The balls (if you could afford them) were balata balls that were buttery soft around the green but tore very easily and if you really hit one hard would dent them...very expensive to play.
@lawbinson2 жыл бұрын
I know it's been a few years but I loved this vid
@ianfitton61914 жыл бұрын
Great. I've still got a Snead 3 wood. Wonderful out of the screws, but if not...!
@JettyBuilder4 жыл бұрын
I learnt with John Letters “Dai Rees” irons, pure blades. As soon as the peripheral weighted cavity back irons came out the blades were traded in!
@ejd1149 Жыл бұрын
You hit the ball 40 yards shorter with the old driver and then another 15 yards shorter with the older ball. Combine the two and that is about 20% less distance. Instead of driving the ball 290 to 300 yards you are now down to 240 - 250 yards. That's huge. The older irons don't hit as far, so now you are a 5 iron into the green instead of a wedge. I love the modern equipment, but the downside is the older course were never designed for this massive leap and it take some of the charm out of playing them.
@salfordnick53364 жыл бұрын
Shows how good jackie was and the other great players from the 70s......modern players haven't got the skill factor a ton Watson had....you had to be a great ball striker the compete. Great vlog
@kalebzehr68504 жыл бұрын
Lmao its laughable when people say this. As if modern tour pros aren't good ball strikers.
@salfordnick53364 жыл бұрын
@@kalebzehr6850 No its not ffs, all good players but they can't strike a ball like Watson or trevino or a seve..... Even the modern players actually says this
@Scatterpattern4 жыл бұрын
Nick Deakin absolute nonsense. Rory, Tiger, DJ, JT, Adam Scott, Fleetwood and more all still play blades.
@salfordnick53364 жыл бұрын
@@Scatterpattern Explains why Rory couldn't hit a 96 callaway for toffee.... They all tried Palmers 62 open winning wilsons, they were too heavy and only 2 could actually hit them. There was not custom fitting and modern players would adjust but the real greats like Jack were a class above in ball striking.
@Spongerob04 жыл бұрын
I believe the great ones would be great in any era. They would find a way. That's what they do.
@seancoxe35774 жыл бұрын
I recently tried a round with an old set of First Flite irons (popular with Arnie in their day), with much less success than you enjoyed. The old muscle-backs are challenging. Makes you think that, if amateur handicaps have stayed basically the same over the years, our grandfathers must have been far more skilled than we are. I'd love to see you play a round with a set of early game improvement clubs, say Ping Karsten or early Eye irons.
@gtaylor92184 жыл бұрын
Course conditions are also drastically different..they weren't tossing away strokes on lightening fast greens..I'm sure that evens out the comparison
@ThorRavnsborg4 жыл бұрын
One of my most enjoyable golf shots was when I was given the chance to try the local pro's old wooden driver. I hit the ball really well and the feel and sound it gave me was just fantastic. I'm seriously considering replacing my modern driver with one of these. I only play for fun so I might actually be willing to sacrifice 30 yards for something that is just a lot more satisfying to hit the ball with.
@petermolyneux95444 жыл бұрын
Very similar to the clubs I began playing with back in the 70's. Totally unforgiving, especially the driver. Those balls cut so easily too. One thinned shot and the ball was scrap!
@davidmacdonald80214 жыл бұрын
My 'highly forgiving' modern Titanium 460cc driver isnt doing me any favours these days either! ))))).
@doncompton94532 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I played at CAL in the early 70's. It was very common for guys to carry their 7 irons (3/4 shot) about 150 yds +or-. This guy only hit the MacGregor 7 iron 141 yds. With todays 7 iron the guy carries 164 yds. Looks like today a smooth 7 iron would carry 170+.and the trajectory is higher. That's a big deal. Then theirs the woods.
@RJWSuffolk4 жыл бұрын
I had a set of vip’s. I recall that it had a 10 iron rather than a PW. I seriously yearned for a set of Muirfield irons - which I never got. Their design was described in a book by David Graham, Your Way to Winning Golf. I think he designed them?
@donniehuffman6014 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video!! Keep it coming!
@conureron37924 жыл бұрын
Just this year I had to end using my old 1974 Hogan Producers. Just couldn’t continue hitting a 6-iron 130 yards if I missed slightly. Had to abandon my old Joe Powell woods back a decade earlier for similar reasons.
@jakobnordin4 жыл бұрын
Wow! That’s the exact same bag model as I have. Same color, same everything. Mine is from 1994 and still looks great!
@MrLuigiFercotti4 жыл бұрын
Back in the day when 250 was a good hit. I've done the persimmon/wound ball vs. titanium/solid ball combination. I found 20-30 yard difference on solid hits. Mishits? Forget it about it.
@ajaytuk74164 жыл бұрын
my first proper set after my junior clubs was a macgregor MT tourney set ( with the split level sole) happy days
@stevedriscoll25399 ай бұрын
My Dad had those. I couldn't hit those clanky things when I was in my late teens/early twenties, but back then I had no clue how to develop club head speed. My Dad played some excellent rounds with them. He didn't have the great swing, but he had great hand-eye coordination.
@stevethomas3516 ай бұрын
I had Tourneys from the 70s as my first adult sized set, then for my 18th in 1982 got MT Tourneys 1-10 plus SW. MacGregor normally stamped 10s instead of PW. And yes, 1.62s maybe went further and definitely didn’t balloon. I remember switching early to a 1.68 ball because I knew they were coming. It felt like using a beachball when the wind blew!
@Musicfan10204 жыл бұрын
We have some Persimmons and I will actually probably start learning how to play golf with them! Is this a bad idea? What I would love to know is if there any golf club manufacturers that uses the modern shape and materials, but with those classic Persimmon wood colors? I love the look of them and makes it feel classy vs the cold hard look of modern day clubs!
@martywarner17794 жыл бұрын
no you dont want to learn on those, 1st you need a "swing", i would suggest reading all about the general basics before swinging a club... unless you already have common knowledge of the "swing mechanics" Golf is 90% preparation 10% perspiration. Unless you've already hit a few and have a decent swing and ball contact it's fun to use them classic clubs, best idea is to get proper lessons from. a decent player or if you can afford it ... Professional lessons , which basically means; getting all the fundamentals correct ... getting Clubs fitted to your abilities is a good start. I 1st learnt using Persimmons and blades , the sweet spot was literally the size of the average adult male thumbnail. Like all good things in Life... Golf is definitely one of them, having a good game is highly enjoyable. And yes I would definitely use Jack's classic clubs any day.
@BGM64744 жыл бұрын
@@martywarner1779I learned how to play with those clubs and became a pro golfer and i still use them still to this day it feels better and its just a better experience to use them
@SCTV59 Жыл бұрын
Mac Drivers and irons are coveted in the ball striking purist realm. I play some 1959 Mac irons and they are fantastic.
@mangelarsson77744 жыл бұрын
I had no problem hitting that persimmon driver 260-270 in the air in my younger days. And the feel from the wood was fantastic. Just wish we have had some launch monitors to measure my swing speed in those days. This really put a big question mark on whether its worth the money to invest 3000 pounds in a set of new clubs, when you can buy cheap stuff from Golfbidder and play just as good.
@kennethmarshall3064 жыл бұрын
As some one once said: "It's not the arrows, it's the indian".
@christressler3158 Жыл бұрын
Lol....sure you did
@davidjackson7051 Жыл бұрын
I actually have 3 or 4 Jack Nicklaus Macgregor clubs from the sixties leather wrap original they are quite nice to hit
@jonathankerrsmith4 жыл бұрын
Bear in mind those old balls degenerate over time. Great test though mate. You should do an episode on my dad. He was a pro for 40 years, and was pro at the home of the stableford points scoring system. Glamorganshire Gold Club
@lordlukan60724 жыл бұрын
At last someone recognises that people play in different conditions. It's mostly windy in the UK, so you don't want to get the ball high off the tee with a driver. It's all very well trying golf clubs in a studio where the conditions, are as near perfect, try getting the same results on a cold damp day. Far too much emphasis is on distance when it should be on accuracy and ball striking..
@Dreama403 жыл бұрын
I'm 18 and new to golf, I've heard the expression before , ' He hit it out of the screws', I'm guessing that means the center of the face where the screws are right?
@stevedriscoll25399 ай бұрын
Yup, and they could damage the old balata balls if the are "proud" of the plastic insert.
@cygnustsp4 жыл бұрын
My first set of clubs were from the 50s.. i had an amazing persimmon 4 wood i could hit from anywhere. First time i got on the green in 3 on a par 5 i hit my 4 wood and 2 two irons. Good times. I'm not much of a better golfer now with $1000 modern clubs.
@funkster0074 жыл бұрын
Nobody is that much better. Modern clubs are a bit more forgiving and comfortable, but it's still the swing that determines the shots. Just goes to show you didn't need to spend a grand on clubs either. :)
@petercavellini32324 жыл бұрын
Modern clubs to me are more forgiving which is a good thing, infact it’s a confidence booster to know that even if your not hitting it flush your going to get a decent result.
@billw5823 Жыл бұрын
I have a set that I recently had semi restored of MacGregor Tourneys that came to me in 1959 as 6 year old clubs. The 4 matching woods, Driver 3,4,5 come with it. No PW, irons are 2 - 9 and with a 10 iron. Matched that with an old Bulleye putter, have them in my office in a Ryder Cup Bag from 1991. Play a few holes with them about once every 6 months.
@malthuswasright4 жыл бұрын
"Out of the screws" isn't a pun. These clubs are where that phrase comes from, because they have toe screws in the face.
@bradgroom82314 жыл бұрын
On the screws
@willbaren4 жыл бұрын
I did enjoy this, I myself have a MacGregor persimmon driver to keep me honest. People who played both say the smaller British ball flew further than the larger American ball but so far I’ve not seen that tested. It would be one option for tour players, make them play an even larger ball.
@lylesmith41944 жыл бұрын
One of the significant differences not really mentioned in the video is the difference in course conditions. Courses in the 50s and 60s didn't really have the irrigation systems they have now so they were much drier and played much firmer most of the time. Therefore, the lower launch angles and shorter carries off the tee would spend more time on the ground rolling. I even remember this being the case in many places into the 80s. So factor in the higher launch angles of today with the firmer courses of yesterday and the 16 yard difference off the tee may be even less. Regardless, taking equipment from a different era our for a spin once in awhile is a great way to inject some newfound joy into the game, imho.
@davidreid23019 ай бұрын
I started playing golf again in January this year after a 33 years hiatus, and I've been through 4 sets of irons before I settled back to what I knew back in the '80s, hand-me-down MB irons from the '60s. I've been fitted for 4 brands, and I settled on Miura MB 101s. They're not distance irons, but they're not nearly as unforgiving as some might think, you'll lose distance out of the toe, or if you thin them, but I don't want to be rewarded for making mistakes, I want feedback to tell me what I've done wrong! I check the face after every miss-hit, and I can always tell where I hit it out of the face before I see it to confirm. They tell you everything, which is a great training aid! The ball flight and turf interaction is incredible. Hit properly they're extremely predictable. These modern irons that let you get away with any old shot aren't teaching you anything! I'm also going to look for an old, tired persimmon 5 wood in the second hand shops in St Andrews soon, and fix it up like I used to as a kid. There was such a connection with the club when you work on it yourself and then use it, old clubs are great!
@timothygould93393 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show how talented those guys were, jack regularly hit that same driver 300+
@timothydaniels504 Жыл бұрын
I had a set of MacGregor Murfield irons and they felt incredible. They were tiny by today’s standards and way beyond my ability. They looked nice though.
@jonathansmith97054 жыл бұрын
Jack occasionally drove the ball well in excess of 300 yards with that driver!
@TheWildernessLife Жыл бұрын
This was great. We need to see more historical set reviews.
@user-gs1mf6od5p2 жыл бұрын
I love hickory golf clubs, except hickory drivers have small clubs which makes it harder to strike the ball
@timm15834 жыл бұрын
Got a very similar set handed down as my first set. The wooden 4&1/2 was my go to club long after I got new irons. I would probably still have it in the bag if I didn't crack it. The feel and ability to work shots is different than anything people are putting out now.
@fossil-bit84394 жыл бұрын
That is a beautiful vintage set! I live that bag too!
@hugh-johnfleming2894 жыл бұрын
My dear friend Brian carried those for years until he scored some Pings. I wager those VIPs are in his Sister's garage to this day.
@alexwilson84624 жыл бұрын
I have a set of those irons also including the 1 iron. Very rare.
@dinojay84104 жыл бұрын
MacGregor clubs were probably the least preferred clubs on tour in that period. The better clubs were those from Wilson and especially Ben Hogan Golf. With the golf balls, I believe that the ball was standardized in the late 1960's / early 70's. The smaller ball was the standard ball under the R&A; the larger in North America.
@raeyearnd32604 жыл бұрын
Curtis Strange won Back to Back U.S. opens with that very model
@mikegrebe5362 жыл бұрын
MacGregor persimmons from the 50s and early 60s were the woods of choice on tour. Wilson Staffs were the favorite irons
@dinojay84102 жыл бұрын
@@mikegrebe536 ... I could agree with the woods. But drivers and woods were so particular in those days ... a player found one they liked and it stayed in the bag for years!
@strongteee4 жыл бұрын
that shot at 7:18 was beautiful.
@brianrizza20454 жыл бұрын
To think Jack averaged almost 280 with that driver and ball combo
@galdessa14 жыл бұрын
Throughout his career, Nicklaus would consistently hit mammoth 330-yard drives. And his driver was only 43 inches long.
@RK8314 жыл бұрын
@@galdessa1 42-3/4"
@juliangretz97634 жыл бұрын
@@galdessa1 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@ScratchArkkitehti4 жыл бұрын
@@galdessa1 thats a lie. Go watch one of the Shells from the 60s
@pb126614 жыл бұрын
@@ScratchArkkitehti in the first year (1980) that the PGA took official Driving distance stats, Jack Nicklaus' driver average was 269.1 yards. Dan Pohl LED the tour that year with a average drive distance of 274.1. Clearly, even at age 40, Jack was still one of the longest hitters in the game. Early in his career and up until this point, golf clubs/balls technology changed little....forged irons, persimmon woods, and wound, balata balls were the standard. At age 25-35, Nicklaus easily could have averaged 275-280 yds. off the tee. He had power but it was controlled power that he didn't often need to utilize. Believe it..I watched him many times on tour and he was phenomenal. Don't judge him by his current 80 year old self. the guy was a stud/alpha male on the golf course. Hitting 280 yard drives with these clubs were nothing for him.
@genin69 Жыл бұрын
I still have a couple of Dunlop 65's brand new
@MC-nb6jx4 жыл бұрын
“Custom fitting” of those clubs was a meeting with the club pro who set about them with a wood file & lead tape, hours of work😳😳 Today’s pro's only need the wrench to move the head around, set in seconds🤣🤣
@bernardblood94474 жыл бұрын
Persimmon sounds great
@stevenburton79222 ай бұрын
Very cool video....thanks for posting
@bygeorge43403 ай бұрын
That’s a nice set , I have that same bage just in a newer model . Only things I don’t like about old irons besides the sharp face angles is the soles leading edge ; they made them so sharp that you’d have to pick it clean otherwise it would dig to china .
@maninahat14174 жыл бұрын
great content
@yardhatch26294 жыл бұрын
I would think the older clubs would be less forgiving. Would love to see how the old timers would do with the New technology.
@boshane1234 жыл бұрын
Thays why they're always comparing Tiger with Jack! Both in their prime playing today's technology would have been very interesting!
@jadesmith6823Ай бұрын
Just goes to show why Jack is the 🐐 🙌
@MrJohnr473 жыл бұрын
Wilson and Hogan also had muscle back blades back then also, possible other brands as well.
@WTMNNJR3 жыл бұрын
Power kit. A forgotten golf company. There were some Scottish companies I think too but those are all gone now.
@kellykennedy54153 жыл бұрын
The first non-Kmart clubs I every used were Nicklaus murfields