Gone | The Steve Dangle Podcast

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 Chris Johnston joins the show to talk about Kyle Dubas dropping a bomb during his press conference and who's staying and who's going from this Leafs roster
1:17:00 The Arizona Coyotes failed to get an arena built in Tempe
1:51:00 The most interesting storyline remaining
Recorded: May 17, 2023
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[@whoopass2rb]

Quick note on the Amirov situation. My wife's sister had brain cancer and part of the process required small drilling into the cranial (as expected with any biopsies or surgery to the head). As soon as that was done, her ability to do any sort of contact based activity poses a risk to her life. As much as you hope for the kid, I think it's safe to say he's not going to play hockey again, certainly not anything beyond shinny on a pond with kids / family and even that might be too much of a risk. When you're dealing with the brain, it's the only organ in your body you can't get a transplant for. And if you have cancer there, the likelihood of not needing some form of invasive surgery is probably low.

[@secondfloorpie9064]

Excellent point by CJ "I don't believe that any of them (core 4) believe they have to be better" That is terrifying and its SO similar to the Canucks' players mentality, where they are all well aware of their individual talent level and are kind of just "good"with that, hoping 1 year it all magically works. ughhh

[@joshmartin4815]

The King of Cobourg has graced us once again

[@Canuck867]

The annual spring CJ episode 🎉

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

Long live the king!

[@ickymclicky308]

CJ's from Cobourg? The more you know...xD

[@wilseph1]

That Steven Dangle-led Toronto Zoo tour will be fire,

[@Bosscosity]

Love to you all from a diehard Yotes fan

[@SpottsonGoal]

Beyond grateful to have such an insightful podcast about the best sport nobody cares about, someday!

[@billk516]

To sums up CJ’a point, and I’m saying this as a non-leafs fan: The current Toronto Maple leafs feels more like a country club than a professional sports team with the way their core players act.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@RG-lr4pk Tavares is at the head of that country club and he isn't going anywhere.

[@danielkrall6501]

It's an interesting juxtaposition between previous Leafs teams. Say what you will about Lamoriello, that's a GM that command authority and hold players to some strong expectations regardless of who they are. If you look at him or Quinn or Ferguson (I'll ignore Burke since his tenure was so futile) or Lamoriello, they put equal value to the Gary Roberts or Matt Martins of the team as they do to any 1st liner. It's much easier to form a team identity and team culture that way. It's a culture that can over achieve as opposed to under achieve. There's none of that with the Leafs over the last few years, be it from Dubas, Keefe, or Tavares. They don't hold each other accountable, and they don't lean on each other. That's a group of individuals up there in Toronto as opposed to a team. I get it that Dubas cares for his players and blah blah blah, but there isn't anything resembling the kind of respect, expectations, and accountability that is required. Even though they are built very differently, all you got to do is look at the Lightning from 2020-2022, the Islanders from 2019-2021, and the current Hurricanes and Panthers teams and see the commonalities in team culture and accountability that is what is really missing in Toronto.

[@CaliBeast824]

This was such a great episode. I love when CJ is on the show

[@tml184]

He's short.

[@disturbedmee6142]

Do we start a movement to get that 4 hour podcast CJ mentioned?!?!?! I'm all in!!

[@AwesomeSause30]

With the Treliving situation, I imagine it’s more that the Flames don’t want the Pens to have their drafting and scouting info because I’m sure Brad has a lot of that info in his head

[@powwowken2760]

What Dubas was actually saying: My family is sick of being harassed by psychotic Leafs fans and equally psychotic Leafs haters so I need to see how much more BS they're willing to put up with before deciding anything. And don't pretend this has never happened, you know full well that people are scummy enough to jeer at his family.

[@charlieb308]

He should quit and work a dangerous job like oil rig worker or electrical contractor during storms

[@B2Roland]

​@@charlieb308 oh shut up

[@CJ-oj8om]

That’s what the money is for! You have a dream job and you want people to feel sorry for you? Stress about feeding your family is real stress.

[@CJ-oj8om]

@@charlieb308ight what a joke, what do woke people love to say. Check your privilege..

[@charlieb308]

@@CJ-oj8om if he can’t handle the job he should take his 20 million and retire, dude is soft as mink fur

[@wilseph1]

Ah yes. The annual tradition. Pod with CJ, that's when you know the Leafs officially bottled their season.

[@CC-om7xd]

I spent all 45 years of my life in Columbus. When I was a kid there was no youth hockey and no one knew how or where to watch the NHL. Hockey was non existent. However once private and public relationships were formed, they built the Arena and the surrounding Arena District to get an NHL expansion franchise (they did it after the voters voted NO on tax dollars being spent for an arena). Now 23 years later, the Arena District is a development success story, youth hockey has exploded, my two sons are 6 and 8 and it their favorite sport to follow. Local High School, College and women's hockey has continued to grow, we watch the NHL every night. Good lord... now I even love to watch sdpn. This is the generational long play to grow the sport, that is why I believe there so many untapped markets in the U.S. that would be amazing, it just takes time. It is amazing to me that we now have several local kids who have made it to the NHL, since the Jackets first arrived. I just wish the hockey gods would bless us with draft lottery success!

[@testecalle3378]

"the son took all of what? 5 mins?" Jesse burned Steve so bad and I feel it deserves more recognition

[@carlosmommer]

Exactly midnight in Vienna, Austria as this episode was released. Who needs sleep right?

[@sawchucksaves1867]

Living in metro Detroit, have really enjoyed these podcasts, since local radio never talks hockey. The most popular station in town is all football, with a little basketball and baseball thrown in. Have been having playoff withdrawal in the last 3 days since there has been no nightly games, and this fills the need for the most up to date hockey fix.

[@jennifermoraga3116]

Touching on the Coyotes situation. I live in Northern Glendale, AZ. Not a Coyotes fan, but a huge hockey fan who still supports the team so I can actually get the chance to see my team play in person once a year, that whole situation was doomed from the beginning. While I could not vote in that election because I don't live in Tempe, and was hopeful it would possibly pass just to ensure the team would stay around, the fact that they would not budge on the housing as being a part of the deal was a huge problem from the beginning. I know so many people who could vote in that election, also hockey fans who were not happy with that aspect of that plan or the fact that tax payers would have to foot the bill. From the very beginning that plan was doomed. I've always felt the Coyotes would succeed if they built an arena in the Northern Scottsdale area. The east side of the valley is where you'll find more hockey fans in general plus if they find a spot right off the 101 loop near the Taking Stick casino it would be tough to keep people away. Having gone to lots of games at Gila River Arena in Glendale the location was just not optimal. If they could figure out a way to get the team near the East valley I really feel they could succeed. Fingers crossed they figure something out 🤞

[@SandK7]

"we were all baked" - wow you guys are like, so cool!

[@dtmuffinman]

The issue with the "taxpayer money" thing is they're going to have to pay taxes to fix/replace that dump ANYWAY since it's about to be contaminating their water table.

[@Hikayuhuy]

The geezers in Tempe is more than ok with leaving it undeveloped and pass the cost to someone else after they die.

[@blegi1245]

Only "taxpayer money" in the deal was for legitimate government functions like utilities and roads (100 million in total). Half of which was offset by the city not having to pay the clean up of the landfill.

[@B2Roland]

It was legit one of the best deals a city could ask for.

[@goleafsgo332000]

These shows are always awesome to watch.

[@cheatoes7246]

Unbearded Jesse reminds me of Handsome Squidward

[@EricQmarvelous]

Uncanny

[@Ryuzakku]

Chris! So much SDPness in this episode!

[@usmanbarak2615]

Let’s go CJ always provides insider tea. Love this tradition.

[@rapchak1]

I remember when the Raptors won, Kyle had an interview where he talked about how it took Messai trading Demar for Kyle to really see that his way of playing was too predictable and not good enough to win. And it wasnt because neither were good enough to be on a championship team, it was that because they were together for soooo long and had gotten so comfortable, he was blind to other possibilities

[@jamesc7221]

Great content in this one gents!

[@teampa1996a]

One of my favorite shows of the year.😢😂

[@MuskokaMatt91]

Kudos to CJ for not blending into the studio with his attire 😂😂

[@LWCJOEY]

Best show of the year

[@workshoptelescope]

moving the game to Utah will do wonders for the league's stalwart position on Pride Night.

[@gotggamers]

god i love the CJ episodes so much

[@bobroberts2067]

Chris Johnston Well done gentlemen! Cheers!

[@jesseyules]

Dubas wants to stay, his wife and kids are pissed he's working to much. Clear as day.

[@RandomGuyCDN]

Welcome to getting in a relationship with a hockey GM. Guy is making his wife millions no sympathy for those people.

[@charlieb308]

You can never make a wife happy. Imagine if he was in a dangerous job like oil rig worker, police, fire dept, working on power lines in a blizzard to restore power. His job is cake, he should retire with his millions and work part time at a men’s clothing store

[@wilseph1]

George Russell in charge of the F1 drivers chat. Kicked out Mazepin.

[@shootermcgavin3077]

Was thinking of the Tavares contract situation. He gets paid most of his salary as a signing bonus which for a team that needs to make the cap floor pretty intriguing. Tavares will only be owed $7.9 Million after July 1st for any team that trades for him. Obviously he would need to waive to make it happen but it actually doesn't sound as crazy. The team gets $22 Million worth of cap fill for $7.9 Million real money

[@charlieb308]

Tavares isn’t going anywhere.

[@cowetascore8476]

STUCK WITH PAJAMA BOY!

[@shootermcgavin3077]

@@charlieb308 When's Buffalo making the playoffs?

[@charlieb308]

@@shootermcgavin3077 next year, they missed by 1 point this season. Youngest team in league, lowest payroll, both top centers locked up 7 years for 7 million, best prospects in league. Back to back rookie of year winners in AHL. You’ll see next year, we finally have a goalie now, your boy Woll just got smoked by Amerks 8-4, Marlies swept!

[@shootermcgavin3077]

@@charlieb308 12 years no playoffs. Next year 12 times... maybe another 12 times.

[@Pocalem]

So, when does Steve go on the CJ show for an episode?

[@TheOak12345]

Look at the North American economy. Everyone is looking at their paychecks and living situation and not worried where some millionaire hockey players and billionaire owners are going to play.

[@KBroly]

Even if this Arena vote was held last November, or even next November, where they'd get the highest potential turnout, that Arena would've been voted down. These kinds of votes are almost never approved by voters and are almost always done unilaterally through legislatures/committees/boards/etc. unless the owner is paying for it themselves.

[@Hockeyhobo89]

One of those rare shows with only 3 topics 😂

[@RandomGuyCDN]

You know what would be a really good topic for Agent provocateur is going back and diving into why the former teams of the 90's werent able to keep their teams going beyond the normal excuse of "financial issues" and looking at the canadian teams that were rumored to possibly be moving around that time as well (like the oilers almost moving to houston)

[@BigWyatt]

CJ is the man! CJ, don’t know if you read any of the fan comments but do you have any info on pittsburghs gm situation? I’m glad hex is gone but the draft, grandland contract, petry, there are a lot of things that need done. Not to mention the pens owning the 14th overall pick, probably the highest we’re going to draft since the Crosby era started I would imagine.

[@Bozzz71]

Nice seeing all 6 of you! 2 lights this time. 😂

[@Bozzz71]

Let's just name the two lights. Any suggestions? I'd go with Darcy on the left and Tucker on the right. I think that works as they're in your face and are hard to ignore 😂

[@meh5561]

I'm trying to think of a deal I'd offer from the Habs for one of the core 4, but it just doesn't make sense for us to pay what other teams would be willing to pay. It's a hard trade for any team because they have to be in their win now mode OR just about to get there. And then does that team have 10 million cap space? Are they going to decimate an already winning team for that star player they covet? Has to be the right trade partner. But I'm moving Marner for a good gritty forward and a good defenseman and 2 top prospects

[@connorkenney6938]

Na. We have too many wingers and need roster room more than anything. Let the kids play.

[@D3aD0n3]

The Guest was great

[@celly589]

It is crazy how time moves/feels during the playoffs. Even if a sweep happens, it feels so fast but also like a lifetime.

[@ianwatson2945]

CJ is an absolute beauty, what a solid human being who's also unreal at his job

[@robertgreco8118]

Steve is the best

[@3tommygunns3]

I hope that Dubas stays on as GM. we definitely need to mix up the core 4

[@CJ-oj8om]

To ask ppl to feel sorry for him is a joke. Stress about feeding your family or how you’re going to pay your bills is real stress. This kid doesn’t appreciate the dream job that’s pays millions. Quote steve. That’s what the money is for

[@slipperynodd578]

@@CJ-oj8om That’s got some real “I’m 14 and this deep” energy. Like that is edgy as hell, but it’s kind of sad.

[@northerngal]

@NHL 2K10 When Dubas was hired Leafs finished 30th overall. Following year 14th. Steadily moving upward until 4th overall last two seasons. 🙌

[@adamfirebear]

the lack of player accountability has been mind boggling to watch. i could actually feel this coming back when Keefe walked back his comments in the Fall

[@spriteisawesome]

I love how small the headphones look on Adam

[@scottkirkness8002]

Which one is worse? Oilers took a step back, leafs took a step forward. Success isn’t linear, but one is better than the other

[@jonasgorea3823]

Feel bad for the hardcore coyotes fans and players.

[@gb2638]

Please continue with that it really helps

[@marc-antoinemarcoux697]

you mean Auston Matthews?

[@bdbdkdfotbrveiw]

@@marc-antoinemarcoux697 if you think Austons going there, especially after last nights news you’re either delusional, or beating a dead meme into the ground.

[@slipperynodd578]

@@bdbdkdfotbrveiw someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed lmao. Chill out

[@tplomonte]

I enjoy the prospective of Chris Johnston . Some logic also some frank honesty with some speculation. Kyle did say that last year and during the season heading more towards trade deadline nothing was off the table. With the comment of complacency or assuming they the highly paid players wouldn't be traded , Who has had made them feel that they it wouldn't happen to any of them.

[@kylemillard8104]

Very nice shot at Justin Bourne there CJ 1:03:55 love that haha

[@Krokodilius]

to clarify: we're trading mitch...the guy who PKs, makes everyone better and keeping matthews who wants 15M for 3 years and is injury prone?........yaba daba fuckin doo.

[@natas-6747]

Growing up an Oilers fan as a kid. Once Gretzky was traded. And when the Doug Gilmour trade to Toronto happened. I've been a die-hard Leafs fan since. Hope every year. At this point. Who really cares what happens. Trades, management change, whatever. Damn you Cliff Fletcher for making me a fan of this cursed team!

[@rodchallis8031]

Where CJ's view on Dubas falls apart is that he expects us to believe that in not extending Dubas, Rogers and Bell made a mistake. Really, are we to believe Rogers and Bell are capable of an error? *cough*

[@CJ-oj8om]

Yea the price for a house in Ontario is more than homes Britain on an island. Makes sense.

[@MrJesperabrahamsson]

Numbers in Sweden, Finland and etc going down is due to many things. 1. Time zones and super late games. People with jobs, kids, or even just a functional sleep cycle can't stay up till 3-4 am to watch the EARLY games till the end. Nobody is gonna buy any merch for a league they don't / can't watch. This leads me to point two. 2. Nowhere to buy actual merch except for an online store that nobody ever hears of, which is also a huge loss of an advertisement opportunity. 3. Streaming services here in Sweden have gone from 15-20 USD per month to almost 50 dollars per MONTH. It's absolutely insane and not a lot of people are going to pay for that to watch when there are free illegal streams. 4. Lack of advertisement. The only commercials I've personally seen for the NHL is during the week of the stadium series here in Sweden, and whilst already watching the games. 5. Having talented domestic leagues. A lot of hockey fans are more than happy just following the SHL, LIIGA, or KHL. I\m sure there's more that i'm missing but these are things that comes to mind straight away

[@andreasbjorklund9040]

CJ is Awesome!

[@pliskenmovie]

Actually, the original Scottsdale deal had actually been approved...but Ellman got the sweetheart deal from Glendale and backed out of Scottdale. America West Arena had 5,000 obstructed seats (you literally couldn't see anything from the blue line down), and TOOK OUT the ice plant in the building in the recent remodel. There's no way the Coyotes play downtown Phoenix. There's a LOT of distaste in Maricopa County for arena deals due to political shenanigans for building America West Arena and the (formerly) Bank One Ballpark.

[@stephenphillips6245]

Thank you for the specifics...also Glendale, the city, was subsidizing the Yotes to the tune of 30-50 million...a year. Don't blame people for not trusting companies / politicians.

[@pliskenmovie]

@@stephenphillips6245 Oh, for sure. The AWA/BoB situations started this whole thing. AWA gets built, public outraged they're using taxpayer dollars to build an arena for Jerry Colangelo. Public referendum passes...no new arenas with public money in Maricopa county unless put before the voters. So the lawmakers created a special "taxing district" that org-chart wise wasn't IN Maricopa County,, but obviously was physically in MC and they built BoB anyways. Voters were pissed. There are still people that refuse to attend Diamondbacks games because of it. The voting demographics of this Tempe thing...ARE THOSE PEOPLE.

[@raygaub9861]

Weird how many people think a guy handed the most talented core drafted in team history who messed it up in negotiations with them and Tavares deserves to stay. Crazy talk

[@joeya8721]

Vivint arena in Salt Lake City is fitted for NHL games. The Kings play one preseason game there each year

[@Rob-uc8zr]

Leafs gonna hire the Italian version of Ted Lasso.

[@wilseph1]

There needs to be a Bob Cole translator. Say anything, and you get the passage in the Bob Cole voice.

[@zanderwilll]

If having John Tavares costs Marner not being a life long Leaf, that is a huge failure

[@people3865]

Marner isn't worth 11m regardless. It's a moot point. He needs to go even if JT was never signed.

[@zigfield723]

Jesse looks like Dave Chappelle's character in The Nutty Professor 😂

[@jeremybatah4827]

Marner to Seattle, I truly believe this would benefit both teams greatly. Seattle has the consistent depth that Toronto needs, with no huge contracts. And for Seattle, they would get a true #1 player, and although he would be in a larger role, because of how different it is than Toronto with much less pressure, I believe he can step up she push a team through big moments better there than Toronto.

[@joellizotte5476]

Marner's too soft and heartless to play Seattle's game

[@jeremybatah4827]

Maybe being in a space where he’s not as comfortable will make him adapt his game. As CJ said maybe he’s too comfortable and doesn’t think he has to change as long as he’s in Toronto.

[@ninjanunch2769]

That's if Toronto is smart either Marner or Matthews goes or both for some key depth pieces that they need. Defense wise they need it and they need that grit that can show up in the playoffs.

[@jbkvgv]

You don't trade stars for depth, full stop

[@kolebowyer3837]

​@@joellizotte5476 I feel like Nylander would adapt to the Kraken game a bit better imo.

[@flyguy905]

They trade Marner to Chicago, and Kane goes back. Your top line for the Hawks in Marner-Bedard-Kane. Let that sink in.

[@lostinthesauce2008]

Referendums are not super publicized. A lot of people probably didn't even know it was happening.

[@parthlad]

Gone Baby Gone

[@Rhysing]

Average house price in Phoenix is nearly half a million.

[@TheMcIke]

36:25: From the day the Panthers were created with Bobby Clarke as GM, I've called them the "Florida Flyers" (and I'm a Flyers fan...).

[@teethelowlife5879]

Trading Matthews I believe would be great for both him and the team. He is a star in his own mind. What have he really done in the playoffs? In short a great wakeup call for him and the team.

[@vbarry]

Where can I snag one of CJ's hats?

[@BKHockeyTalk]

Alright so I’m a Florida panthers fan, and I was first here for Steve’s pain. Then I realized I loved the boys talking hockey and now here I am 4-5 episodes later…invest in y’all’s future. I’m so confused, but am loving the hockey content. 😂🙌🏻

[@KensterFox]

Also a Panthers fan, but I got brought here by Hat Picks and Dang-Its (The BEST day of the week!) And while Steve is very funny as Slaphappy McSad, I hate it when we can't both have nice things. I appreciate them talking about how the experience of being a Panthers fan was really bad for a long time, both because the team was bad and because we were the butt of every joke and the subject of every relocation rumor, and that now it feels like those days are over for a long time, if not for good. I wish the Coyotes could have gotten that happily-ever-after, too.

[@csspostal]

The only analytics that matter is score.

[@milesbowen9433]

We have hockey fans in Salt Lake. Maverick center has AHL, seats 12,000, and vivint/Delta can do hockey if a major league shows up. I’d be so down but there are probably more fans in Houston, etc.

[@tombennett9790]

Definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results.

[@deleteduser6074]

Clayton Keller seems like someone that they could trade a core piece for

[@ygaudreault]

comfortable is not new, it's the definition of the good o'l country club 🤣

[@mattlovespeebee]

The Utah Jazz home arena webpage says that the arena would hold 14,000 but probably would not need updates like Mullet did since an NBA team plays there already!! Also the Rod vs. Paul rivalry since Paul stripped Rod of the captaincy while coaching in Carolina is very SPICY IMO!!!

[@briandonovan1381]

"comfortable" equals complacent.

[@mattwilliamsonguitar]

New goal song suggestion: Painkiller - Judas Priest 😁

[@PoopdeckPatty]

Dubas is officially gone. I have mixed feelings about it. I think he did his best but remained too loyal to some people, especially Keefe. At the end of the day it’s a results driven business and he hasn’t delivered. Maybe as leaf fans we’ve become so accustomed to failure that we see dubas as a mild success, even though it hasn’t been.

[@mrswb]

In Salt Lake we have an Echl Team that plays out of the Maverik Center in West Valley City, one of the Suburbs. It seats 10100 and has nearly sold that out for an Echl club a couple times over the last few years. Vivint Arena is listed as 14000 for hockey and is right downtown. I went to the Utah Grizzlies game the night the Stanely Cup was in the building and there was over 9800 in the building. They're the Avalanche affiliate. SLC is rather spread out and the whole area's population is about 1.3 million. Phoenix is 4.8 million. I'd love to see an NHL club here, but I have no idea if it would work. Also even though the Maverik center works for the echl cub, it's dated, built in 96 and I don't think has ever had a major renovation. It was used in the 2002 Olympics. If an NHL club was moving in they'd go to Vivint, not the Maverik

[@colecalleri3234]

It’s crazy how much the dangle podcast reaches out to. Your from Utah and theres no nhl team and still listening

[@theguyinthemiddle2919]

On what basis does this panel evaluate the performance of the team, the coaching staff, & the management? If you have a consistent track record of failure in the playoffs, how could anybody claim that you are the best GM in the league? Of course, MLSE interest is on the revenue not winning, and they are doing an excellent job on that front.

[@isaacrobinson5062]

It is truly amazing to me that hockey isn't more popular. I'm a football guy at heart but hockey is the only major sport in the west that rivals the physicality of football. And on top of that i find playoff hockey is the most fun sport to watch bar none. And this is coming from a Leafs guy which I feel like should speak volumes to hockey as a whole 😂

[@cameronveno]

Vivint (now delta center) has held a preseason hockey game for the last 6 years I believe. It can have hockey but it isn’t meant for it. So it might be a little weird, but it’ll be better than Arizona. Also saw a coyote in Salt Lake City

[@FightingForceSoulless]

So I remember you guys saying that the Marlies are down 2-0 to the Rochester Americans. However, you said that the series was a best of SEVEN, and that Joseph Woll was starting. He did. They lost 8-4 away from home, and the series was a best of FIVE, not seven. So they got swept. 3-0. End of season. Whoopsie.

[@danieldosso2455]

Hintz will be the Goals leader!

[@normgardner4560]

Dubass built a top heavy team and then was forced to go cheap on the other areas. Defence, goaltending. You don't give 4 forwards such a huge piece of the pie. Two forwards, one stud defenseman and a top notch goalie!

[@tplomonte]

Um he didn't have to offer the top heavy contracts well before they those players hadn't accomplished anything . He may have inherited a bad contract, but he also made some not so positive trades , gave up futures for rentals, and able to retain any of them because of 4 players making 50 million then added another this year

[@rayevans7484]

Dubas changed 30% of his Roster at the Deadline, including the St. Louis trade...giving up a 1st 2nd and 3rd for two players who were a combined minus 30. Add the goalie situation to the lack of cap, prospects, or draft picks...one has to wonder why he's even being considered for an extention.

[@CJ-oj8om]

He let McCann go and kept Kerfoot. Dubas now wants ppl to feel sorry for him and his stress. Get out of here, stressing about feeding your family that’s real stress. get out of here dubas

[@mikekerr5843]

Gentlemen: Great Show - Adam, I love how you lead the group. Steve, thanks for asking Chris my question "Pay the singing bonus, then trade". Jessie, great Mitch trade take. Chris/Expert, What's left to say but "thanks for the insight"! I would pay MATTHEWS bonus, then an 8-year sign and trade!

[@evanstewart5040]

If I were Toronto I dont think you trade one of the Core 4 for a star right away. I think you get some good depth pieces but really decent cap space. You make your move before the trade deadline, give yourself 10-12 million in space, see how other players are doing and if they can change your identity for the better and go from there.

[@BruceWayne-ee6vb]

I don't think they should trade for a star. They should trade for guys who are willing to do what it takes to win and play a style of game needed in the postseason.

[@evanstewart5040]

@@BruceWayne-ee6vb yeah that’s fair. I’m not even saying get a star at the deadline I’m just saying don’t feel the need to “win” a trade now because you don’t the best package in return Get some cap space, If a star is what’s needed come trade deadline next spring, get a star, If it’s depth, get depth. Just give yourself the cap space to breathe and expect a payoff later instead of right away

[@BruceWayne-ee6vb]

@@evanstewart5040 They should offer a trade for Keller and Crouse from the yotes, or Keller and Hayton.

[@ExhibitedDrip]

Could we see a 2nd overall pick from the same draft as Matthews playing on the same line as him for a Mitch Marner 🤔

[@jackiem3740]

“WE WANT KYLE” “WE WANT KYLE” “WE WANT KYLE”

[@jadenippersiel912]

If they move I hope they keep the farm team so at least they can be apart of youth hockey

[@katem32]

This podcast has prepared my loins for a Marner trade. I see the benefit even thout it will be traumatic. But most imporantly, there are leaf fans who love the goal song. Hall & Oates forever. Thanks CJ for a fantastic pod.

[@viperswhip]

Dubas was just saying he didn't want to put his family in a difficult position by publicly declaring that he wanted to be back. He wants to talk to his family first.

[@Jacob-du5if]

i love cj so much