TRIMARAN LIFE: What We REALLY Think

[@tom080955]

Love the disclaimer Jason…this is why we all watch you guys….both you and Nikki are honest.

[@ALittleCLAIREification]

One thing I think about when reading the comments re: cost comparisons (not just in this post - it seems to come up on almost every one). Many mention "Oh it's a 1M boat compared to xyz brand that is 600-700K, etc.". I am not sure exactly how old the Wynns are, but let's say that any random couple aged mid to late 30s or into their 40s (or beyond) decide to invest in a 1M boat as their "forever home". And now they can take this home all around the globe. As many times as they'd like or are willing and able to do. They are free and not "land-locked". They are not reliant on housing bubbles/markets. As with a house, there will be repairs and maintenance. No lawn care or roofing, but rather sails and lines and engines and anchors to maintain. Comparing a house (traditional real estate) to a boat is a bit apples to oranges but, at the end of the day... 1M isn't really that much if it's a home you can take with you for the next how ever many years, and to see the world at the same time. Some people invest in a property and some people invest in a boat. At the end of the day... a home. ⛵🏡💙

[@jimmyshadden6236]

Every man, it doesn't matter who, spends every waking hour trying to figure out an easier way to do menial tasks. Whether it's mowing the lawn, taking out the trash or doing dishes. I'm 75 years old and I've invented thousands of shortcuts, some worked and some didn't. Heck, some were downright dangerous! But the effort was worth the scars I've gotten. Just want to say, from an old man who once dreamed of a life on the sea, you two have my heart. Give the man his dishwasher!

[@Platypusklr]

Y’all have a beautiful way of showing respect and love for the people you call friends! The piece about the owners being the best part is one of the most classy things I have ever heard. Bravo.

[@johnnylightning1491]

Yes I made it all the way through. I think one of the issues with a trimaran is the center hull gives it a pivot in rough seas it pitches more. Just my completely uneducated guess. Keep the good stuff coming guys and can we get an update on your boat.

[@commonsense246]

If you use the dishwasher as your dish storage, it works wells! And you don't have to unload it until the next meal! I have a small dishwasher by GE and I love it, exactly half the size of a normal dishwasher and less water! And it's white glass in front to match my white cabinets, stainless inside. Just enough for a family of 2. It will hold a couple days of dishes.

[@marklong8608]

You could also experiment with countertop dishwashers. Some have a water reservoir, so just temp drop the drain hose in the sink.

[@thirtynine3955]

I don't use my dishwasher as it's only me. I do use it for storage, tho.

[@exploringlife738]

Why would anyone insist on glass and ceramics for a moving vehicle (RV's included) when there are superb plastic and nordic-ware types that are almost indistinguishable from those heavier, easily breakable forms? Putting a soft cloth over the stored dishes in the washer while underway would keep them pretty quiet, if the prongs themselves didn't hold them tight (I'd think marine dishwashers might already have put the fix in on that). I have to admit I felt a bit "click baited" on that episode; unnecessary drama.

[@rabukan5842]

Jason, that was a very eloquent explanation at the beginning of how a good sail on a monohull feels like - when the rail dips towards the water and it finds it’s spot, or groove, and “like it knew where it wanted to go.” Spot on…

[@robcoventry574]

Dishwasher notes: Consider making the decision now rather than later. We are in the process of a kitchen remodel going with built-in appliances. The entire kitchen arrangement changes based on appliances choices - widths especially. When you said HH uses custom cabinets, that’s when it occurred to me you should rethink your decision process. Waiting until after delivery will severely limit your options. Deciding now based on available appliances gives you options to adjust the cabinet setup. …food for thought.

[@RVstreet]

Agreed

[@liongod1000]

*_ The BEST DISHWASHER is at the end of your Arms! (It's called HANDS) I'm 74 and have never owned a Dishwasher and in fact doing the dishes STRAIGHT after a meal is therapeutic! _*

[@1corinthians15.1-4kjv]

@@liongod1000 Yeah, but! Windelo includes a dishwater in their eco catamaran, because it saves water and thereby electricity also, now the water has to be created by a watermaker. I got a dishwasher in my house, it came with the house, but I never use it and it makes no sense to do so either, now I am single and water is cheap. On a boat it is a completely different thing: I sure would tick that option box!

[@chrisonYTtour]

We stupidly spent over 5 years debating (arguing) the merits before installing a dishwasher… best decision ever… we always take friends out with us and it just makes life easy

[@1corinthians15.1-4kjv]

A dishwasher also cleans better. I have by the way worked in catering for years, and you of course would never see anyone in that business hand wash anything, that can go into a dishwasher. I do have a dishwasher at house and I am single, so I never use it much. Even I were freaked out to see, how clean my tea strainer could become in a dishwasher. Basically, to make it that clean hand scrubbing would take minutes of hard work on that alone.

[@philipwright7186]

"Different boats for different sailors". Spot on, Jason!

[@mojoneko8303]

I learned a long time ago that all boats are a compromise. There is no perfect boat for all circumstances, a lot depends on how and where you plan to use it and what your needs are. Thanks for the video! For cat people you took pretty good care of the dog! 🙂

[@Dragonfly31133]

I love how Jason and Nikki explain everything💞 Absolutely love this channel!!

[@promacpic]

I think the Neel trimaran is on the same level as a Leopard or Lagoon - made more for comfortable cruising versus performance. I’d have a tough time choosing either one, perfect for a coastal cruising live aboard for fewer/shorter passages. Your new HH is in a class of it’s own - big performance, big comfort & pretty big price. For you guys the HH is going to be perfect on more frequent & long passages. I’m pretty excited about your new HH & Riley & Elayna’s new Rapido 60. Don’t even ask me to try & choose between those either. 😍

[@gerrynicoletti]

Really enjoyed living the trimaran experience through the delivery passage episodes. Was only on a smallish trimaran once in the usvi for a day sail, so this was a real educational series for us. Really appreciated the honest, logical and open minded assessment in this episode. But that is the way you guys approach everything which is why my wife and I are followers and look forward to every installment!

[@CharlesHopkins]

Actually you CAN use US model appliances with a 240v power supply. Almost all US based appliances are wired such that they will support the different requirements by just sliding a switch. You can also get converters separately that can make the conversion without it being built into the appliance otherwise. If you are looking on Amazon or otherwise you can look for the appliance specs to say something like 120/240v

[@steadmanhall7184]

Crazy how one can care little about a subject but be invested because of the people involved! You guys get me involved by who you are!! Genuine and fun! Thanks!

[@betsyvoss49]

I agree. I have no interest in sailing, but I'm enjoying their lifestyle - so different from my own landlocked existence.

[@rachelbrinkley3240]

You can get a portion of your new boat rewired to 115 volts from the 230 that it comes with through voltage dividing with a neutral wiring scheme. look into how houses in America are done. They are at 240 to the main panel then spilt down to 120 volt off of the breakers

[@JeffHoot]

Your ability to help the dog Yosh take care of business moves you to the top of my KZbin channels.

[@JohnKMazzie]

Thank you for the video. I am in the early stages of planning my retirement and possibly purchasing a trimaran for a multi year excursion. I am leaning towards a trimaran for: 1. Abundant storage. 2. Perceived stability. 3. Possibly offering short excursions as a vacation option for individuals a/o couples.

[@smithcd46]

Have followed you since your RV days. Great episode. As a bernidoodle owner, I have to agree that this is the best dog we have ever had. Ours (Hedy Lamarr) is 3 and a great camper. Best wishes on your next adventure.

[@cherylsnyder6436]

Yoshi 🥰…we were on the mooring ball next to Craig & Katy in Hope Town a few weeks ago. Had some fun times with them (Rum & music festival) 🇧🇸💃🏽🍹. I was excited to hear you guys are the same in real life as you are in the videos. Fair winds

[@ruukee]

Very interesting. We own a Dragonfly 1200, Much goes back to the design and sails, which are the engine of the boat. Last year we retired the old mainsail on TriBiza. What a difference a new mainsail made in terms of speed. I'm going to pay more attention, but pretty sure in most sea states the Dragonfly doesn't hobby-horse. Noise below from the hull, yes. We do not have sleeping space in our pontoons/amas. Comparatively very tight space on a Dragonfly 1200, the interior is most like a 39 ft monohull, though we have a center cockpit and 2 cabins, 2 heads. Last year in Turkey on flat seas, wind 18-22 knots, we got a record 14.5 kn SOG. Mostly we post 7-8 kn typical cruising. We have a very old Code Zero reacher, off the wind in 3 knot breeze she delivered 3 knots of speed!

[@allanfifield8256]

Thanks!

[@gonewiththewynns]

Thanks for being a part of the crew! 💙💛💙

[@jodymooney255]

I what a thoughtful review of your experience! Loved the session! ❤❤

[@canyonk652]

First thing I did when I saw they were filming from a condo/house/apartment was to look for the dishwasher… As I continued to watch the video and read the comments team dishwasher did not disappoint. I really liked the in counter dishwasher, much better than having to bend down to floor level. Some friends of mine put two drawer dishwashers in their home, one on either side of the sink. At first I thought it was crazy or overkill, but then after seeing it play out in real life it was great. For day to day they pulled from the clean dishwasher for meals and put away in the empty dishwasher, never having to empty dishwasher to cabinets, and pull from cabinets. For parties they filled them both up with dirty dishes. Jason, you should ask for two dishwashers in hopes that you will get at least one.

[@vonheise]

We had an 18" full hight dishwasher in a camper and it was fantastic! There are all sizes of voltage reducers to use American products in Europe. I used one when in Germany while stationed there. I did some lake sailing when younger, but at 76, I just like to live vicariously by watching kids play with their toys, just like I once did... 🙃

[@scotttan6377]

From this episode , JASON AND NIKKI who are a naturally caring people are also the ideal pet sitters !

[@frankveronese1290]

Wow, watching this you have opened a new avenue of delivering boats and comments on the boats you deliver.

[@nevermind2394]

Love you two SO MUCH … the sweetest, kindest most lovely people - GREAT episode!!!! ❤️🙏❤️

[@frankstocker5475]

If I remember it wouldn't tack into the wind. say no more. You made the best-ever choice to buy the HH, it's fast and comfortable, it points higher into the wind & tacks & will have a high resale value. your review was very kind to the owners.

[@ddevil4980]

My aunt and uncle have that in sink dishwasher in their 45ft cat. She says that it holds way more dishes than one of those small normal dishwashers. They love it.

[@vickyoakes4584]

I enjoy your sessions where you answer questions, for me it helps to understand sailing better.

[@rhettamcguire2068]

Comfee’ countertop dishwasher get it from Amazon 289.00 can also be put in cabinet. Holds 6 place settings 😊 4.5 star’s customer rated. 20.6 D x 21.6 W x 17.2 H 😊

[@highvibe4839]

Hi Niki and Jason, have you looked at the dish-draws by Fisher Paykel, we’ve had one for years in our work office. They are brilliant for everyday dishes, cutlery, mugs ect. Can also hold saucepans, frypans. Install now if boat builder able to .. sounds like you don’t want to rock the boat by hold ups, understandable.

[@rbyham]

Factoring that you left into strong southerlies which are our prevailing winds this time of year I was not surprised to see a wild ride... regardless of boat you were in for a wild ride. Weather windows become critical on Atlantic eastcoast...

[@mjordan812]

Military (USAF) stationed in Europe from the late '60s through the early '80s. We all had step-down transformers to convert the local 220V to 120V. And yeah - they're heavy, take up room and aren't efficient. But they work - so there is that.

[@ronburton7090]

Very interesting and diplomatic episode. You made the right decision buying the HH. Now you just need to figure out how to get Jason a dishwasher.

[@timothyblazer1749]

Your negative feeling about this trimaran is spot on. Neels are good, fast boats, HOWEVER they are super light. They are a compromise between speed and living space, and so this boat is for a particular customer. Those who want to spend minimal time at sea, and then settle down at anchorage. Ive spoken with NAs about doing a heavier trimaran, and after getting over the "but why?" part, three of them all said that a heavier tri with minimal dihedral would, in fact, give seakindly perf and would slot between perf monohuls and cats. They also wanted to know why I wouldnt just get a cat, but in my case, i like unstayed masts. So a cat isnt for me.

[@justinjwolf]

Thanks for the comparison. I've been intrigued by the Neel, but still prefer monohulls. The feeling of being in the groove with a monohull, to me, is what feels like sailing.

[@bobhodges3116]

The Neel is not representative of how a performance trimaran sails. The Dragonfly and Corsair designs have quite a nice upwind groove with feather touch weather helm.

[@SBoots29]

Craig and Katie did it perfect by having friends like you come and put the boat through the paces. A fresh set of eyes is always good to have. Keeps all from being to narrowly focused. Fantastic Q & A. Safe travels. Cheers

[@davidallen9526]

I along with over 25,000 others love all your videos. But dang we can't wait to see the two of you sailing your own boat! I certainly appreciate you letting me join you in all your adventures.

[@lawrencekingery7874]

As an EE, most all devices actually work on DC except AC induction motors, etc. Knowing this, typically there is an AC/DC converter external (laptops, small appliances, etc) or built in (desktop computers, tvs, blenders, etc). On the converter or appliance, it should state "Input" which typically will say something like "110v~60hz" meaning it's made for US only or "100-240V~50-60hz" indicating the convertor is designed for use in most markets. As long as your new boat is within the ranges listed on the appliance, it should be compatible. Since some countries have loose laws regarding electrical and some manufacturers choose not to spend the money to get UL or other certifications, i would always recommend you monitor any device the first time you use it for heat or smoke. Last thing you want is a manufacturer trying to save money, change components and use old stickers with the incorrect information causing a fire. Hope this helps and safe sailing!

[@goodandgreen]

Look into installing a countertop dishwasher, Danby is one brand . Get spare seals for the door they need replacing every year at least.

[@divekatdreaming]

I loved this Q&A and I thought your disclaimers were great! In the end, the best thing is that the owners love their boat and that you are excited about the boat you are getting. It would have been terrible for you to fall head over heels in love with a trimaran and lose your excitement for your own project. So, everyone loves Yoshimi and that is a happy ending for all!

[@joeberkofly]

I can't wait for you guys to have your own boat again.

[@johndrew4957]

y it gets worst

[@WatchingtheWorldBurning]

Hi chaps. Great review. Although it does look like you are seriously under-canvassed in many cases, which would make any boat bob and loll like that? And, as you point out, these boats are really designed for A sails. I'm still a monohull fan.

[@mattrhames-jr2fc]

If they are paid to sail they are pros, if not they are enthusiasts. Love your videos! I sold my catamaran a year ago and have been looking for a new ride since. Most vlogs just gush on and on about whatever boat they are featuring, I really appreciate the honesty and in depth evaluation you put in discussing the good and bad. Cheers on the new HH!

[@GerDarioOtero]

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but you can totally put an small inverter, like a Victron Phoenix, let's say 800w or less in the kitchen to run the 110v things in a couple of outlets and that same inverter can be pumping 220v if needed... think about that.. you just connect it to the same battery bank as the general inverter and done.. you have both systems.. and can run whatever appliance you want.. you can get pretty complex with that..

[@melanieshirkey5276]

There is a portable table top dishwasher you should check out! They are not that expensive and keep your cabinet space.!

[@kimberlyshalaby1134]

Just loved seeing you both & hearing about the Trimaran. Seeing Jason asleep with Yoshimi beside him was adorable. Loved her expressions when you talked to her Nikki. That was good thinking to alter your course so she could relieve herself. That was good to know. I fixed my screen door so it woulld spring back. Libby let herself in & out the back door when she needed to go. Loved her being independent. I'm still excited to see what you & Jason get. If it don't have a dishwasher, don't worry, you'll always be able to have time to be with your thoughts doing the dishes yourself. Have a good week. Looking forward to next week.

[@peterwill3699]

Until the animals fall 9ver board .

[@mitchdavis8687]

Thanks for taking me along😊

[@phillo1818]

Brilliant, entertaining and interesting. I’ll stick to my MY monohull on which Yoshi is more than welcome to stay…. Have a great week U2.

[@justincase5272]

EXCELLENT REVIEW!!! Having sailed monos, cats and tris (and boards, short-boards, and kites), I prefer a catamaran with externally-rigged, swing-up daggerboards for much better pointing. The center living area of cats is much larger for LOA, and the room inside the two hulls is larger, as well. Finally, cats handle in a predictable way, whereas tris feel like you're mountain biking with too many wheels.

[@allanwilcox8362]

Thank you. Excellent episode. Even the advert bit was enjoyable. Perhaps more of the same thing in future?

[@johankotze42]

Just a thought from a total landlubber; the pontoons on that trimaran is large enough to become an ocean going vessel on its own. That is where all of Jason's space is coming from. This makes this boat a floating square, and from there the sea characteristics experienced, I think. Very luxurious, though!

[@ajnasreddin]

Make the cabinetry bigger and get that dishwasher for Jason.

[@DS-zs4ge]

Have a look at dishwashers sold in Switzerland. Swiss standard width is 55 cm, whereas European Standard is 60 cm, and 45 cm for narrow version. All are 230V 50 Hz.

[@AuntieSullivan]

Thank you so much for this comparison, and I hope Jason eventually gets that dishwasher for conserving water, if nothing else.

[@justinjwolf]

Boats with a water maker and solar panels don't need to worry about water conservation.

[@smilingkelly5251]

@@justinjwolf that’s not quite true. Conservation is important, both power and water. Having solar panels means you have renewable power, not unlimited power.

[@AuntieSullivan]

@@Jimfinn649 Been there - done that.. Not always sanitary.

[@karenpolansky9097]

Sorry I’m late… I slept in. 😢 I found this very interesting. From my non-sailing perspective, I was not that impressed with the trimaran, other than to say it was a beautiful boat. As with anything bigger and fancier, there was a lot more to go wrong. Ooooooh, but that dog… LOVED her!!! ❤😍❤️ PS I get the issues with the dishwasher, I still think if you don’t plan for it now and at least get the wiring in place, it will be much more expensive in the long run. Just my two cents. 😁

[@Sommers234]

You're funny, apologizing?

[@karenpolansky9097]

@@Sommers234 I am Canadian after all. 😀

[@greglougheed9876]

Great job answering the questions. Love the channel.

[@2PunkteMethode]

Spot on! After sailing a Neel 51 in the med I would confirm the same findings.

[@lenwhatever4187]

Some of the things mentioned about the tri could be done on the cat. For example the master bedroom could be done on a cat as well. The tri could be faster but it is made to be a cruiser. The amas are big and the boat could go faster with proper (small) amas. The centre hull is still big because it carries the bulk of the weight, including the extended weight of the "flying" ama, so it sits lower in the water. the amas are wide so they can have staterooms inside. Nice for company but more frontal area to push through the water... almost like a cat with an extra hull. True, there is more storage but you pay for that by pushing three hulls through the water (boats are all a compromise). So, a cat could be faster if the living accommodation was on the bridge deck and the hulls were narrow and deep (think single berth only). The large house on the bridge deck would have more wind catching area, it is true but frontal area in the water is a bigger factor, at least in this case. In the end it is the motion in the water that one has to choose between the two. The extra berths in the amas of the tri are apparently not a great idea because of the motion. It would seem to me that a longer cat would give the same storage space, use less building materials, have more usable living area, etc. True, it would be harder to "park" and more costly too moor.

[@leonaessens4399]

Back in the late 1970s, I sailed a 45ft all-wood centre cockpit trimaran from Darwin down the Australian coast and on into the Pacific to Fiji (where I ended up finding a job) and all the way to Tahiti. The only navigation aids I had were paper charts, a compass and a sextant. Ship-to-shore radio, no electric start engine, I had to jump down the companion way, swing left into a passage way leading under the cockpit and to the aft cabin, duck into the engine room where I had to crank up the flywheel on an old 49hp Yanmar, using a handle hanging from a bulkhead. Engine started, I had to rush back up the companionway into the cockpit and take control of the wheel. All this could lead to hairy situations, to say the least. The tri itself was a 16-ton beast and so did not like going upwind, contrary to the notion that tris are actually better at that then catramarans. She was astonishingly stable in almost any imaginable condition. Like all trimarans, she did heel more than any catamaran would, obviously, but it was never a problem or even obtruisive. She was basically a conventional centre-hull with amas, outriggers, or pontoons, whatever you want to call them. The storage on that boat was just phenomenal, each ama had three access hatches and I never came close to filling them even half way. Fuel tanks were in there, too. As to sailing qualities, well, picture a Sherman tank with a mast on it and you get the idea....

[@ShalomShalom-d5c]

I sounds like you are describing the difference between riding a 2 wheeled dirt bike & those 3 wheelers (ATCs). I never felt comfortable on the 3 wheeler bc I couldnt lean into curves.

[@grizzle251]

I enjoy your adventures but by far I come to this channel to see you two and this episode was a home run for me because it was all you two, no "filler". Thanks, I had a nice visit.

[@ryanpeters795]

Did you check the vesta dishwasher? We have that model as it was cheaper when we remodeled our camper and it was one of the few available (Camping world always has them). It's interesting as the washer unit just sits inside and the door kit is separate. I'm wondering if that would make the size of the unit slightly skinnier than others. Plus it's extremely affordable and we've had great success with it. No issues at all and it cleans better than any residential washer I've ever used including higher-end ones.

[@lets_go_see_]

In the final analysis, it is an individual choice so you handled this episode very well

[@TOMMYTANKERB32]

When I was stationed in Germany we had inverters for our American electronics. Also alot of electronics have a switch for 110/230

[@jpgo]

Love the Moo Point ! Thanks for another great Video.

[@mikemendes7598]

I grew up on monohulls, currently own a small trimaran, and helped deliver a 44' racing tri, (in up to 35 knots and lumpy seas) and chartered a cruising cat. When you're going directly into waves, I don't think there is much difference in any of the designs - you go up and over the waves mostly in the same motion. It's when you have a quartering sea, or one from the side that things change. (Also depends if you're sailing or motoring and how much wind.) A mono under sail has the sails to help keep it at a more constant angle, EXCEPT when the wind is puffy, then you are swinging from heeled to upright. Big waves will heel the boat over and roll it back and forth. The keel will tend to act as a shock absorber, damping the motion somewhat. The mono under power will rock and roll like the 50's. The cat has a similar motion except you don't heel, and it mostly doesn't care if the wind is puffy. You ride up and over bigger waves, but you don't roll. The tri does have a different motion. The windward ama lifts first, pushing the leeward ama into the water. That action helps keep the boat stable - it doesn't roll hard side to side like a mono. But it does roll back and forth more than a cruising cat. I'd take it over a mono any day. As far as making the boat go, it takes time and expertise to make any of these performance boats perform to their potential. Get a Neel professional on that boat for a day, and some premium sails, and they will make a huge difference. The racing tri we were on took several months of tuning and tweaking (After we delivered) before it was really performing as it should. I think Jason and Nikki are going to find the same thing on their new cat. If they bring on a factory person to help tune it and teach them how to sail it, they will end up saving months of frustration. Great trip and excellent videos as always! you guys are amazing!

[@1corinthians15.1-4kjv]

Well, look into the dishwasher, that Windelo install in all their eco-catamarans, and they by the way do so, because a dishwasher saves water and thereby also electricity, now most of the water, if not all, onboard a boat has to be created by a watermaker. Their choice of a dishwasher is made specifically for narrow cabinets. By the way, I can not help teasing you a bit in your choice of boat (the HH44): It does not compare with the Neel 47, at least not in base price, but with the much more spacious Neel 51 or even 52 coming out this year. That one got interior access to the outer huls and the cabins located in them and they are also fitted with real ensuit heads. That said, I just watched the walkthrough of that HH44, and what an incredible catamaran that is! I love the helm positions and the possibility of enclosing the sugar scoops underway. I also wrote to them, that my dream boat were a trimaran build by HH, whit their no compromise attitude to design and building process.

[@pioneer_1148]

The neel has three pretty chunky hulls to propel through the water. It's speed is going to come from it's stability allowing it to soak up massive amounts of power, not from being especially low-drag. I am still surprised by the lack of performance though, I did my competent crew on a 40ft Beneteau and that managed 6-7 kt in similar conditions. I would have expected the Neel to make at least 10.

[@kaylawinter]

Thank you for the Q & A! I always love these types of videos.

[@marnickcox8180]

Nice project, watch out with shopping in the UK for appliances. UK has other connectors to the rest of EU or other country's.

[@robertsmart5600]

A cruising trimaran is a monohull with training floats instead of lead ballast. The floats are only usable on a big try and then they are uncomfortable because they pivot about the center hull, whereas the hulls of a cat pivot about the other hull which has a much longer lever with a heavier upwind hull for the waves to set in motion. All the space in a cat is easily accessible from the main cabin. A small tri with folding floats like a Corsair has better performance than a small cat and is easily trailerable, excellent for a minimalist sailor on a small budget :) The sailing Frenchman crosses oceans fine on his 21ft long, wide, scow shaped single hull racing machine!

[@Jebarus13]

I think that is it worth pointing out the price difference between the two boats. The HH44 starts at about 1M with equipment, 1.2M for the performance version. The Neel is in the 600-700k range. At similar price point, you'd have to compare the Neel 51 to the HH44.

[@jamesaron1967]

The Neel 51 is a better comparison price-wise but by having interior access to the amas makes it a much larger class of yacht. It would be like comparing a HH44 to a HH52. That said, I wish they had sailed on the Neel 51 instead. I don't really like the Neel 47. I always found it to be an odd model in the line-up. If one day Neel updated it and somehow managed to make the ama cabins accessible from the main deck it could be a great yacht. Until then, either save a lot of money and get the 43 or splurge/borrow for the Neel 51/52. JMHO

[@rightright6582]

@@jamesaron1967 what about the bouncy part. That got to me

[@jamesaron1967]

@@rightright6582 Don't know what you're talking about or how your question relates to the original comment.

[@bluewtr]

Neel takes so many shortcuts. Flimsy inside…..waste of money in its Finnish and uncalled for

[@ricknicholson5894]

Try looking for dishwashers out of Korea. Another couple who vlog bought a decent washer/dryer for their boat (not big at all) and to get the size they wanted, they bought a Korean model.

[@jeffgriglack9624]

I once heard an old timer talk about the top criteria when choosing a boat, and he thought it should be "does your heart skip when you see it." There are a lot of factors after that, but that was the first, in his opinion. At the end of the day, boats are kind of a PITA, so you had better be in love with it. I have heard that some monohull sailors have a problem with the motion of the boat when they transition to a multihull, that the motion is shorter, faster, and less like the pendulum motion of a monohull. I have actually never sailed on a large multihull (>20 feet), so I can't say.

[@theadventuresofbrockinthai4325]

Hey Guys, I thought it was a very good video. Very informative and some good ideas. Myself, I had a 43 foot cutter rig. I always wanted to buy a trimaran because I never liked standing sideways. I've had multiple back surgeries so I have issues with that too. Now at 76 I live in Thailand and enjoying retirement.

[@bryanmyers9977]

You mentioned getting 230 V in your new boat. I agree that this is the way to go. You may want to look into specifying using larger gauge wire that can support 110 if needed. I think if you do that you can literally switch the boat to 110 by swapping out the electrical box, inverter, and outlets. That could be nice for resale possibilities. And for you, you could probably buy a very simple plug converter and use that 110 appliance you need in your 230v boat.

[@TheJsl84]

Hey guys. If you are looking for a slim size dishwasher the Siemens SR61IX05KE could maeby be a good model for you, and it's a model that has to have a cabinet front mounted on the front. so it would disappear into the rest of the cabbinets. And it's a european model, so it would go great with your power grid on your boat.

[@missVmilne]

I really like your thoughts behind and through your experiences. Thank you. Hello from London :- ) Oh, yes, for what it's worth. Yes to the dishwasher. You've got a clothes washing machine haven't you ? Do look into a Fisher & Paykel dishdrawer - it will slay xxx

[@billm6774]

I've never owned a boat but have been on quite a few fishing ,diving and boats like the big jet boat from Carman to Cozumel. I also have never been on a tri. It looks like it'd like to get on trim but the outriggers keep bouncing it back and forth even in smallest swells. Been on big cats on dive trips.(I tended to travel off season or hurricane season. I've never been seasick but have had trouble back on land after some big weather or long trips. Picture a 20 story building pitching to and fro.Thank you for the videos.

[@spiezy]

Another wonderful video!

[@MagnoliaEmporium]

The Fotille is actually a pretty good brand... especially with the fruit washer option... I have installed 4 so far for clients.... sink dishwashers in general have ben around for decades.... my grandmother even had a sink dishwasher all the way back in the late 40's

[@edwardhewer8530]

Crazy amount of space on that Trimaran. Looks like a great boat.

[@NotAsTraceable]

We had pontoon boats when I was a kid and one of our neighbors had one with three rows of pontoons instead of the normal two and it really rocked back and forth way more than the boats with just the two rows.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

Interesting.

[@andrineslife]

I have a mini tabletop Hava/Kapas/Midea/Scandomestic (basically same model dishwasher with clear front and a pour option at the top so you don't need to connect it to plumbing) "portable" dishwasher, I've had it for a year and a half now and I love it so much. I'm in Europe so I know the plugs work and it's only 13 kg, but it's probably not made by like "marine quality standards" so I really can't say how it'd handle the sailing 😅

[@dahveed284]

I went to the Miami Boat show and toured the 47. Was this the boat you sailed down there? I didn't notice the name on the boat or even could recall what the name was of the boat you sailed down there. But it did have the 2 large screens work station. I don't know how that would be so expensive. I assumed it was just a Dell computer with two monitors. But I guess integrating it with the boat's systems requires an additional piece of hardware that is pricy.

[@steveherman6704]

When I was stationed in Germany years ago we had portable converters that we plugged our 110 electronics into plug the converter into the 240 50 cycle as I remember but that was the early 70s

[@robmay4525]

I agree with you guys on which boat, motor bike, house ect. It will come down to the individuals mostly on what they really love there boat, bike or what ever. I'm with JohnBerko carn't wait for you to get your boat. cheers for now.

[@GPSJayDog22]

Again! YES on the dishwasher 🙂 I love mine. Set it and forget it.

[@lisaforte1575]

Yosh is my favorite boat feature as well.

[@michaelbaumgartnermbbaumer8811]

Have either of you tried the glasses for seasickness? They look goofy but are drug free and have worked for our susceptible friends on boats and in small airplanes. Great video 😀

[@trudymccann3671]

Good Morning from Sunny, Warm Coastal Central Florida! You guys are still Our Greatest, Best, and Charming 'Ambassadors at Sea'! When I started sailing decades ago, I learned it was better to sail a small Sailboat for beginning Sailors. Why? Because then you can Sail a Larger Sailboat with ease! Vs. Sailing a Larger Vessel first it is impossible to sail a smaller Vessel with Ease. 😇 You committed yourselves to the Dishwasher by pointing out all the Unbelievable Storage onboard an H H! Honestly, I can see no reason not to have a dual purpose Dishwasher & Storage! When you have more people you can hand wash the larger items - Pots & Pans. While using the onboard D W to clean cups, glasses, silverware, Utensils, etc. It's a No-Brainer! If you don't get the D W Now, you will Regret it Later! IMHO I could see how complicated getting the sails up was and now I understand that the Routing needs to be tweaked. You do need a button for the retreival of that Sail vs. hand-cranking like crazy. Nicki she looks somewhat challenged doing that. I would be too. Nevertheless, a good shakedown for the Owners to view. I am sure they will learn a lot watching the videos of your sailing challenges on their vessel! Love, Yoshi, she is the best example of why to get a Bernadoodle! I have a friend who has one, 'Cleco'. He is equally lovable, laid-back, smart, and low maintenance!❤ As always, Please keep us advised on your latest adventures. Sunday would not be so delightful without "The Wynn's"! Thank You for another superb Video, Sailing 202! God Bless, Be Safe, enjoy your visit to Florida. Are You Doing Any Sailing Today? 🙏⛵

[@allinsonn]

Hey where's the video of you sailing that classic looking monohull?

[@pdgadventures]

Love you two! This goes to show that we need to get on as many boats as possible to know what we like, and don't like before we buy our own.

[@johnparker7945]

great info and insight, Thanks! I did watch all the way thru!!

[@misiaalbert8214]

I loved seeing you guys troubleshoot your way through sailing Supernova, it was a great experience for you and for us watching. I have to agree with others who are encouraging you to figure out the dishwasher now vs later, even if you find something that works it'll feel like more of a compromise and you'll end up wishing you had just done it right from the start. Also, Yoshi was adorable and such a good girl! But before anyone goes looking for a Bernedoodle breeder please, please, consider adopting a dog from a shelter. There are so many amazing dogs that end up there through no fault of their own, that are loving, smart and truly just want another chance at life. Shelters across the southern US and California are euthanizing dogs weekly, for no reason other than there isn't enough space for them all. Breeders are killing litters due to lack of buyers since they ramped up 'production' during covid and many breeder dogs are ending up in shelters because their owners didn't realize what a commitment a dog is or they grew up to be too big, or whatever other stupid reason you can think of. It's a crisis and not enough people are aware of it or want to know about it because it's quite sad. We've adopted two dogs from the US and they are amazing, such good dogs who just needed some time, training and love, just like any dog needs.

[@justincase5272]

Having lived in both S. Korea and Germany, you CAN use 120 V appliances, even motors. However, you'll need a "switching power supply." It's NOT the old-style, heavy transformers. Rather, a "switching power supply" changes FROM 100V to 480V AC, either 50 or 60 HZ, to DC, then back to 100V to 480V AC, either 50 or 60 HZ. Some have a DC 12V to 48V input, as well. They draw almost zero power while not under load, but also have a remote on/off switch for zero draw. Search for "marine power converters.

[@donwellwood49]

You have probably already been told this but the easy way to go from 230 volt to 120 volt is a step-down transformer but you are still going to have 50 hertz. To change the hertz & voltage you would need to purchase an inverter which was 120 V by 60 hz. which is easily available in the U.S. & not that expense. It would solve you having to pay for 50 Hz equipment & make life easy for you. Our 2-cents. Don. S.V. Salty Paws, Rio Dulce, Guatemala