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Was Super Monkey Ball's GREATEST PLAYER Actually the BIGGEST CHEATER?!

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Goober13md

Goober13md

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@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
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@raymondmckendry2125
@raymondmckendry2125 9 ай бұрын
Is packattack a KZbinr need to know if I need to unsubscribe
@matirion
@matirion 9 ай бұрын
At the end you said you were removing your unbeaten scores video. However, for archival purposes to show the contemporary views, I would recommend archiving it somewhere or simply unlisting it. While it is ultimately your choice, if it became lost media, it would be a shame as that would make it harder to investigate things in the future. You never know if something one day becomes a missing puzzle piece.
@GreenhouseKeys
@GreenhouseKeys 9 ай бұрын
@@raymondmckendry2125 kzbin.info/door/g_j7kndWLFZEg4yCqUWPCA 5.5 million subscribers, I also see packattack04082 at the top of EA Sports PGA tour on ps5 in the past couple weeks one of the weekly tournaments, insanely low scores not sure how they're possible and the only good play videos are stuff like kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3zLYYCBaaegopY. I also see him in past couple weeks on that game's forum yelling at the developers because the trophies aren't unlocking and nobody can 100% the game lol
@acemcwolf5445
@acemcwolf5445 9 ай бұрын
"If it looks like a monkey having a seizure on a tightrope, Then it's probably a rapid paused replay." Words to live by.
@artsyscrub3226
@artsyscrub3226 9 ай бұрын
Unless the monkey is actually having a seizure then you wonder what sick freak forced him to go on a tight rope!
@glitchedoom
@glitchedoom 8 ай бұрын
My grandpa was always giving this as life advice.
@Lattazz
@Lattazz 7 ай бұрын
I've always said that
@timhadaway-m7z
@timhadaway-m7z Ай бұрын
@@artsyscrub3226idk man, that’s a talented monkey who has learned to live with his epilepsy lol
@JoshNotJohn0
@JoshNotJohn0 9 ай бұрын
Note to self: If I get Murdered, leave a note on my body that my murderer cheated in speedruns, my murder will get solved within days.
@thundergamespt99
@thundergamespt99 6 ай бұрын
I mean... This guy was able to remain on top of the leaderboards for 2 decades, your murder case would be the slowest in history to still be solved
@JoshNotJohn0
@JoshNotJohn0 6 ай бұрын
@@thundergamespt99 modern speedrunners have those eagle eyes tho.
@thundergamespt99
@thundergamespt99 6 ай бұрын
@@JoshNotJohn0 what you should do is to label the discovery of your muederer as a speedrun challenge, winner gets to take all your money. This is how you can get your case solved really quickly
@JoshNotJohn0
@JoshNotJohn0 6 ай бұрын
@@thundergamespt99 "Winner gets the 100 bucks in my bank account as bounty" "OH HELL YEAH"
@thundergamespt99
@thundergamespt99 6 ай бұрын
@@JoshNotJohn0 i mean, have you seen speedrunners? Bros will take any money they can get, if that means they get to do what they love
@MisturHappy
@MisturHappy 9 ай бұрын
Gotta love the irony in trying to subvert genuine competition by cheating only to wind up second place to someone who cheated better than you.
@hosaepalvin9795
@hosaepalvin9795 8 ай бұрын
tbh i feel like they could just go along with this angle. have the competition be about who can cheat at monkey ball the best lol
@fuzzybuzzy3159
@fuzzybuzzy3159 8 ай бұрын
​@@hosaepalvin9795Monkey Ball cheat%
@survivorstudios
@survivorstudios 7 ай бұрын
@@fuzzybuzzy3159So TAS, basically?
@OmahaGTP
@OmahaGTP 7 ай бұрын
Lance Armstrong has entered the chat.
@arostwocents
@arostwocents 4 ай бұрын
​@@OmahaGTPit's so sad he has become a name that represents cheating, when it should actually be cycling as a whole that represents cheating in people's minds. Armstrong was just the one who was caught as he was the best. The others didn't lose as they were clean. The guy who finished 50th didn't finish there as he was clean. The entire top level was cheating and Armstrong was the best OF the cheaters. If Lance wasn't by far the best cyclist, someone else would have taken the fall. Many more cyclists have been revealed as cheaters including Team Sky but it didn't reach the zeitgeist like Lance. Sadly, cycling blaming only Lance not the sport as a whole is what has allowed cheating to continue to be rampant and top cyclists to continue cheating to this day.
@snowytheott
@snowytheott 9 ай бұрын
was trying to take IL runs really seriously when i was younger, but gave up because of how far behind i was to jcool and packattack, figuring out years later that i was comparing myself to cheaters was crushing, thank you for this video
@AsaTJ522
@AsaTJ522 9 ай бұрын
That's one of the saddest things about this situation. How many people who could have been legends in the scene stopped running it because they felt they couldn't match up to cheaters? They hurt the game forever by doing this.
@nsf001-3
@nsf001-3 9 ай бұрын
I've personally always preferred full runs (SS or segmented) to ILs. Though I developed that preference back in the early-mid 00s when downloading lots of ILs for a single game was annoying, even with (now defunct) browser extensions like DownThemAll. Ah the good ol' days of SpeedDemosArchive... but now I'm reminiscing. Not criticizing ILs at all, I love to see all the different means of beating a game or level as quickly as possible, just giving my tangential 2 cents
@3Guys1Video
@3Guys1Video 9 ай бұрын
Time to get back on the grind, pal
@keyofpop
@keyofpop 9 ай бұрын
Even if the people put off of SMB because of cheaters wouldnt have become legends... speedrunning lives and dies off community. Whether it be glitch hunters, routers, top runners, or even fresh eyes coming up with new ideas. Even if every individual is trying to get their own best time, its the cumulative work of a community. Cheaters that make others not want to play damage the whole collaborative system. It's definitely the worst part.
@polocatfan
@polocatfan 9 ай бұрын
sounds like a lawsuit honestly.
@Kyrfuffle
@Kyrfuffle 9 ай бұрын
sorry babe, can't get in bed right now, someone made a 1 hour video essay of a game i've never played
@Dr_Tachibana_
@Dr_Tachibana_ 9 ай бұрын
Video game essays are always top priority
@jonoboi8069
@jonoboi8069 9 ай бұрын
Bro, this is literally my flavor of autism thank you
@hokiper
@hokiper 9 ай бұрын
Exactly me right now but I like to watch these already in bed
@The_Red_Scare
@The_Red_Scare 9 ай бұрын
*Same.* I love watching video essays exposing cheaters, regardless of the game.
@Bladieblah
@Bladieblah 9 ай бұрын
​@@The_Red_Scare Me too, I don't even care about the exposing as much as it's fun to hear how it was done and eventually figured out and the communities reaction too
@Arassar
@Arassar 9 ай бұрын
Cheaters always post stuff like "wow, I can't believe this totally unbelievable thing happened! What crazy luck!" It's shocking how often it happens.
@Lockirby2
@Lockirby2 9 ай бұрын
wow, I can't believe this totally unbelievable thing happened! What crazy luck!
@21stcenturyrambo16
@21stcenturyrambo16 9 ай бұрын
Many such cases
@tracque_5677
@tracque_5677 9 ай бұрын
Well, so do many legitimate players when they get scores as crazy as the cheaters who say that stuff. You just remember the cheaters
@wompastompa3692
@wompastompa3692 9 ай бұрын
My favorite is the legit players that say shit like "this run was trash" and "I hate this game." The second one especially gets me when it's someone that's sunk hundreds, if not thousands, of hours in to their game, almost like they're playing on just to spite the game itself.
@NoraNoita
@NoraNoita 9 ай бұрын
Wow I can't believe this
@amazingkool
@amazingkool 9 ай бұрын
As an outsider that just watched the Jcool video for the first time within the last month, a part of me feels like this was a forgone conclusion. The more reasonable side of me can see this was a painful labor of love for your game and community. Extreme respect.
@supernova743
@supernova743 9 ай бұрын
The best cheaters are those good at the game. Their incredible plays are within reach but takes insane luck and time. The cheaters dont want to stream hundreds of hours for that one nearly perfect attempt. Its essy to try for a couple days then sneak in the cheated run.
@waxy1885
@waxy1885 8 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but Jcool's behavior is enough to know this man is unscrupulous capable of everything. Same happened in the Super Mario Sunshine community : this man doesn't follow the fixed rule when HE considers this is not useful. Pretty weird mindset.
@Xbob42
@Xbob42 9 ай бұрын
My favorite part of this hourlong Super Monkey Ball speedrun investigation into a possible cheater was the acoustic guitar cover of blink-182.
@cmd5789
@cmd5789 7 ай бұрын
Speedrun video got range
@BrentKrout
@BrentKrout 12 күн бұрын
I just started watching this and can’t wait to hear the acoustic Blink 182, love that band.
@crocodilerock4662
@crocodilerock4662 9 ай бұрын
Are you telling me that for the past 10 years, the monkey ball pedestal has been dominated by two rival cheaters trying to out-cheat each other? I don’t know wether to laugh or cry
@Aleyck
@Aleyck 9 ай бұрын
Neither. I hate that I just don't get surprised by this sort of thing anymore.
@maliciousbugman
@maliciousbugman 9 ай бұрын
@@AleyckI tend to have a reaction of "yyyyep that checks out" when this shit happens at this point.
@RichardMeikle
@RichardMeikle 9 ай бұрын
Ok I was confused. There was a video about a monkey ball cheater already. Makes sense there are several.
@TechnoCookieNG
@TechnoCookieNG 9 ай бұрын
He’s a Family Guy
@RJiiFin
@RJiiFin 9 ай бұрын
It's the speedrunning way!
@RoyalFusilier
@RoyalFusilier 9 ай бұрын
"Hour-long video essay about Super Monkey Ball cheating drama" sounds like a kind of joke from an outsider, I must admit, but I'm here because I saw your video exposing jcool and discussing that and just... you're so good at this. Explaining, presenting and editing things, I'm hardly the only person to go 'I've never played this game and barely know what it is, however I was enthralled the whole way through'. My condolences to the SMB community for these revelations, but now people who put in actual, legitimate effort and talent can rise to their deserved higher positions.
@youtubeSuckssNow
@youtubeSuckssNow 9 ай бұрын
There are a surprising amount of creators that do this exact same thing for their niche communities. The amount of games I've watched these about is ridiculous.
@mimisezlol
@mimisezlol 9 ай бұрын
​@@youtubeSuckssNowfr, I watched someone's 4 video analysis about the various tricks and slight of hand techniques used in a doom surreal horror level and I can't even play fps games because I have the hand eye coordination of a slug. I could never play super monkey ball at a competitive level for the same reason, but this guy's content is just so engaging, my puny brain can't get enough
@tarantinoish
@tarantinoish 9 ай бұрын
Oh man, old school slow-mo controllers from the NES/SNES era would just pause the game rapidly over and over again, slowing down the action. It’s crazy that basically that technique was used years later to cheat at Monkey Ball.
@wompastompa3692
@wompastompa3692 9 ай бұрын
I have a Mad Catz N64 controller from my childhood that let you turbo any and all of the buttons, even Start. I'd be willing to bet something similar exists for GC.
@hayato1886
@hayato1886 9 ай бұрын
​@@wompastompa3692There are turbo controllers for GameCube, I've owned a few over the years but I never tried it with the start button
@superzigzagoon
@superzigzagoon 9 ай бұрын
@@wompastompa3692 I had a turbo controller for GameCube back in the day
@KirbyFanDude
@KirbyFanDude 9 ай бұрын
Yes, yes it does
@torreywhiting5402
@torreywhiting5402 8 ай бұрын
Mad Katz jumpscare!!
@RapturePlasmids
@RapturePlasmids 9 ай бұрын
Why am I not surprised that a discord mod tried to take credit for 'his' investigation lmao
@ghostoflazlo
@ghostoflazlo 9 ай бұрын
"We did it reddit"
@davidmeyer4506
@davidmeyer4506 9 ай бұрын
You could say it is a disGRACE amirite
@paperquagsire3431
@paperquagsire3431 9 ай бұрын
not to nitpick, but grace uses she/her
@RapturePlasmids
@RapturePlasmids 9 ай бұрын
@paperquagsire3431 that's on me, I just assumed
@paperquagsire3431
@paperquagsire3431 9 ай бұрын
@@RapturePlasmidshappens to the best of us
@kevinkempt
@kevinkempt 9 ай бұрын
the fact that jcool was the one to one up packattack is so funny
@gairisiuil
@gairisiuil 8 ай бұрын
who else would beat a shameless and prolific cheater who put years into their game besides another cheater using the same method
@gizmoman2388
@gizmoman2388 9 ай бұрын
I think one of the best ways to deal with stuff like this is to have a legacy leaderboard for scores/times set on old proof standards. This way they are stored, but separately from runs that pass modern proof standards. It can be a little unfair to the old runs, but may be the best way to deal with potentially cheated old runs.
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
That's exactly the approach we've taken! The new leaderboard website created by TonySMB (smbelite.net) has a filter on every chart to separate live scores and replay scores, with live scores only being on by default.
@gizmoman2388
@gizmoman2388 9 ай бұрын
@@Goober13md oh sweet!
@SD-MB-BB-CR
@SD-MB-BB-CR 4 ай бұрын
​@@Goober13mdWill illumination will ever make a super monkey ball movie, OR EVEN BETTER "THE SUPER MONKEY BALL BANANA MOVIE" and they WHOULD add Yanyan and Doctor too (and even Palette from banana rumble since she was debut as a newest member of the gang) and probably Easel, Fes, Val, and Tee and maybe added the main villian DR. Bad-Boon and his assistant, I not sure if they add Jam and Jet in the movie since they officially no longer canon since since Banana splitz/super monkey ball bounce, and they both really are parts of the main Super Monkey Ball gangs like Aiai, Meemee, Baby, Gongon, Yanyan, Doctor, (and Palette) and really suppose to be 8 or 9 main super Monkey Ball characters and that is Aiai, Meemee, Baby, Gongon, Yanyan, Doctor, Jam, Jet, (and Palette) just like 3d, banana splitz, and bounce, and probably added the other villians like yoko and the other banana blitz boss fights and added the monkey ball adventure monkey characters like papa, princess Dee Dee, prince AbeAbe and more monkey characters added in the movie and also even better in the super monkey ball movie add the monkey ball mini games scenes in the movie like add the monkey race scene, monkey fight scene, monkey target scene, and maybe the monkey dog fight scene from super monkey ball 2 like in the super mario movie they added the mario kart scene and they're eyes will have actuall regular eyes like Dr. Bad-Boon, Fes, and Tee or theyre eyes will still be cartoon eyes, and all of the monkey ball characters will actually talk including Dr. Bad-Boon and the characters design will be base off of Banana Rumble design (including Jam and Jet) and jet will be wearing pants like the rest of the monkeys and jam pretty much wears pants by default. like mee mee has a ponytail with a pink bow on her head her bang her stuby tail and Baby has a stuby tail and bang too and doctor has a beard now and all of the monkeys wear pants and will aiai will have his blue backpack like in most of the modern monkey ball games and will meemee will have a flower on her dress like her classic designs and will meemee will have polka-dots on her dress or even better white flower patterns on her dress and will the monkeys will have actuall feet like they're classic designs has, but I think they wouldn't do it tho because people did just thought monkey ball is a ball simulator game and people who doesn't really know much about it just say like "oh all monkey ball is about is just a game we're you just play as a monkey in a ball" that's it and people didn't even know about the monkey ball characters story and even if they heard there's a monkey ball 2 game that has the cutscenes people said "all of cutscenes is about the monkeys having they're bananas stolen from a evil baboon and the monkeys have to stop it from stilling they're bananas" thats it and maybe Iillumination is thinking the same thing about it that why there isn't a modern monkey ball toy with yanyan or doctor toy or modern happy meal toy or even a super monkey ball cartoon, and Illustration probably don't know more about monkey ball and the characters story of how aiai meets meemee and how baby is aiai and Meemees son? how aiai and meemee were married? how aiai meets gongon, YanYan, Doctor Jam and jet (and Palette), and show how Dr.Badboon becomes a villan and how aiai and his friends finds a magical ball that they get inside and roll fly, run, and bounce, and more (and even spindash) and people didn't know that aiai and meemee were adults and didn't know baby was there son because baby is a white monkey and not a brown monkey like he is in touch and roll maybe he's a alabama monkey, and Super Monkey Ball is a cool popular game then the other sega games like samba de amigo, crazy taxi, billy hatcher, house of the dead, Alex kid, Nights into dreams and more and again Illumination probably don't know more about monkey ball and the characters story of how aiai meets meemee and how baby is aiai and Meemees son how aiai and meemee were married how aiai meets gongon, how Gongon used to be a rival to Aiai but later became friends with each other, how Aiai meets YanYan, Doctor, Jam, and jet ( and Palette and yoko even tho yoko never became a good member and follow theyre new lead since shes a villian in banana blitz) and show how Dr.Badboon becomes a villan and how aiai and his friends finds a magical ball that they get inside and roll fly, run, and bounce, and more and again people didn't know that aiai and meemee were adults mistaking that they're kids and didn't know baby was they're son because baby is a white monkey and not a brown monkey like he is in touch and roll maybe And also aiai and gongon or doctor or jet doesn't have a visible stomach under they're shirts and meemee doesn't have her lower part of her stomach eitherand even tho her skirt covers up her lower body that don't mean they don't add the visible butt a stuby tail and a lower stomach even though her skirt covers her lower body that doesn't really matter because we can see her lower body when she runs shake her butt or other victory animations or when she rolls when she runs too fast seeing her lower body that easy and she even nolonger has a ponytail or a stuby tail like her classic designs until banana rumble even doctor don't have a visible butt but has a stuby tail and Yanyan don't have a visible butt either and is it because she's a Lemur do lemurs have visible skin butts like monkeys, gorillas, and baboons has and not only that Jet the yellow monkey from monkey ball 3D or yoko the black monkey from banana blitz or what ever monkeys they both are because they both not just the regular monkeys like aiai meemee baby and doctor are, but Jet and yoko both dont have a bare butt either and also Jam from step and roll also have his body fully covered because he wears shorts and has his stuby tail sticking out through his shorts. In banana rumble baby has a stuby tail for the first time and Aiai in banana rumble still doesn't wears a blue backpack, also I'm glad that they got redesign in banana rumble since they never got redesign again since banana blitz and i like how they all wear pants! And maybe Brian Matt will voice act one of the characters and he'll be credited in the credits for the first time if that happens unlike banana mania or banana rumble since he doesn't appear as a announcer in these 2 games but idk if it's possible for him to voice act as a movie voice actor because pretty sure Brian Matt is more of a video game voice actor and not a movie voice actor and maybe Patrick Harlan will voice act one of the characters in the movie too if that's possible for him to voice act in the movie and hopefully illumination won't make the super monkey ball movie more of a live action movie like they did with the sonic movie and the fnaf movie and more of a animated movie like they did with mario and despicable me. Their movie design is probably gonna be slightly a banana rumble design but slightly different and make it a 2-hour movie. I even ask a youtuber name Nick Robinson will he make a video of him asking illumination studios to make a super monkey ball movie and he said "yes". Another reason why I ask him that question because in 2019 he made a video of him traveling to different states and asking someone who was a uncredited Super Monkey Ball voice actor and finding a uncredited Super Monkey Ball VA name Brian Matt.
@alaeriia01
@alaeriia01 7 күн бұрын
​@@SD-MB-BB-CR what?
@1stClassMaths
@1stClassMaths 9 ай бұрын
Incredibly well put together. Thank you for this. What I find really sad about this situation is I tried some levels back in the day when I was exploring games for cyberscore. I gave up on this quickly when I saw the standard. How many other people might have joined the community if it weren't for these cheated scores?
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
It's a good question, though I think that cheaters are only partly to blame for stunting the growth of SMB competition. When klow / EliteScores shut down and the community moved to Cyberscore, their use of a medal table for the overall rankings rather than a totaliser (total sum of scores) meant that most players would only rank highly or get recognition if they had WRs. One platinum medal (untied WR, effectively) on Cyberscore is worth more than dozens of golds or silvers, so the rankings never seemed fairly representative of who the best players actually were. Not to mention, medals from Party Games and Mini Games were also included on the same medal table. There was no longer an incentive for players to get a solid, well-rounded set of scores across the whole set of levels, just a handful of really good scores here and there. When the community started doing away with using Cyberscore, we moved to a spreadsheet that ONLY tracked WRs, so you couldn't even get your name on the leaderboard at all until you got a WR. In other words, it felt for a lot of people like there was no point even going for a score on a particular floor unless you felt like you had a shot at beating / tying the WR. This really served to put people off playing floors a lot of the time, and no doubt was a put-off for potential new players given the standards for WRs are so high nowadays, especially when for a long time some of those WRs were impossible to beat cheated scores. Now that we have our own site (and the cheated scores are gone), we've moved back to using a totaliser, and competition seems to be the most active and healthy it's been for years.
@1stClassMaths
@1stClassMaths 9 ай бұрын
@@Goober13mdThanks for taking the time to reply. You've inspired me to start up the game!
@zoltanz288
@zoltanz288 7 күн бұрын
is a community this corrupt and pathetic really worth joining?
@8stormy5
@8stormy5 9 ай бұрын
This is exactly what is meant by "beyond a reasonable doubt". There's certainly not absolute, 100% proof here, but to say the evidence available doesn't show cheating is, well, doubting without reason.
@matt13classic
@matt13classic 9 ай бұрын
Wow, you see a lot of KZbinrs claiming to put large amounts of research into their videos, and no doubt some do, but the degree of detective work and scrutinisation that you’ve put into this video is second to none. Truly incredible, your uploads never let us down. LOJ 👍🍷
@AlbRomano
@AlbRomano 9 ай бұрын
Only comparable one could be the dude that was trying to find the narrator's VA. SMB fans are quite dedicated.
@sync-on-luma
@sync-on-luma 9 ай бұрын
I think RIP Felix and pannenkoek2012 might both have him beat in the research department, but this one's certainly up there.
@thewhitefalcon8539
@thewhitefalcon8539 8 ай бұрын
Karl Jobst?
@NihilNick
@NihilNick 8 ай бұрын
Wild when people claim that anyone is the best (or among the best) at anything when they have little to no knowledge about anything they want to give acclaim to.
@matt13classic
@matt13classic 8 ай бұрын
@@NihilNick I watch a fair amount of gaming youtube videos, high tier detective work went into this video, get off your high horse
@ryanwillingham
@ryanwillingham 9 ай бұрын
i didn't even realize smb had a thriving high score community before this point but when packattack's recording was shown in the intro i immediately thought "slowdown" i.e. trackmania. will have to check out legit smb records now, sounds sweet
@yetravellingsonc8372
@yetravellingsonc8372 9 ай бұрын
leaving the video at 36-ish minutes in to immediately come back to pause buffering wires with the diddy kong racing boss theme was an experience.
@onionrinrins
@onionrinrins 9 ай бұрын
5:15 "packattack's prime days rolling primates..." 🔥🖋️🧐
@bigtimetimmyjim6486
@bigtimetimmyjim6486 9 ай бұрын
As someone who is not part of the SMB community but is involved in speedrunning, I am really surprised that nobody questioned packattack's records until now; one glimpse of the footage is all you really need to see strategies that no human can consistently perform, it is like watching a TAS or one of those blindfold speedrun cheaters who do their runs without the proper setups needed to achieve consistency. Also, shoutout to Temper Grace for being a complete scumbag trying to take credit for Gooder13md's work.
@Ashragi
@Ashragi 9 ай бұрын
"No human can consistently perform" Well yeah sure, It's IL's. If you saw the actual real Monkey Ball IL's you'd probably have a similar reaction to some of the strats in it.
@bigtimetimmyjim6486
@bigtimetimmyjim6486 9 ай бұрын
@@Ashragi Nah, I found the tapes of the real runs to be really impressive, but it was very obvious that the players needed to respect the 0.1 rails, especially as they started to bend. Pack's monkey was literally bouncing from 0.1 to 0.2 without slowing down while having a seizure.
@inception1695
@inception1695 9 ай бұрын
Although I've played monkey ball before, those runs just look SO absurd. Bouncing around on tiny wires like crazy and running straight into the finish, like come on no one thought it was suspicious?
@wingnutmcmoomoo494
@wingnutmcmoomoo494 9 ай бұрын
@@Ashragi no thats the thing, I haven't played alot of SMB, I've seen a few people perform runs live (as in either in front of an audience or on a stream) but only rarely...but I have played video games for over 3 decades and have alot of times in video games (easily tens of thousands of hours lol). If any game looked like packattacks replays the game wouldn't be controllable, even more so on the sticks of the time. A game can't respond in the way it is responding and allow for the player to maintain control unless they were doing something like pause buffering. They look like frame perfect keypress wiggles which would explain the speed but not the control as the taps would be too much or too little lean. When I watched legit SMB folks do runs I was impressed but I wasn't thinking "thats unachievable"... like one thing that gets in the way of packattacks movements is literally physics. He's wiggling too fast for the control stick, you wouldn't be able to wiggle that fast with the deadzones of the the sticks at the time, Its physically impossible even if you hooked up a robot to wiggle the physical stick as the travel time is longer than the wiggle in his replays+the stick wouldn't handle that sort of manhandling and maintain its accuracy. (and if you can use the dpad... you can't use it to do that, I used the gamecube controllers for so many years their dpads would not be able to do that.) If you've played alot of video games and became pretty good at 1 or 2 packattack's replays look inhuman, and not in a positive way. Humans (or most animals really) can't maintain control at speeds that high, its why you never see gymnasts frantically wiggling on a balance beam... and yeah like i said before even if the human could do it the control sticks of the age (and even the ones today) wouldn't be up to the task, the deadzone alone kills the idea of doing such an action, you need the pause to account for the travel time. like just pull out a controller and try to micro wiggle in any game and see how many inputs are dropped from the dead zone, now increase that deadzone by a mile and thats what you're dealing with 20 years ago. Basically... its totally understandable why most people would believe packattacks runs, whats hard to wrap ones head around is no one with enough know how in "being skilled at video games" or this specific game ever noticed such a glaring display of fakery (It earnestly feels like a dragster situation). You often see people confuse cheating for skill and skill for cheating (competitive FPS games is a good example) but at the end of the day real recognizes real and its surprising it didn't happen here. Even in the video there is a segment where the person making the original discovery has a moment of "am i going crazy or has literally no one else seen this giant cheater shaped hole?!"
@flyinyoku3543
@flyinyoku3543 9 ай бұрын
One of the best speedrunning videos I've ever seen, the narration is perfect, the humor is spot on, I've never played SMB besides maybe once at an arcade but this is the type of video to make anyone care about this 23 year old game.
@hudsonk1racer
@hudsonk1racer 9 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I feel Pause spamming should have been placed in its own category. Sort of like how some games have a "glitched" and "glitchless" category for speedruns.
@weggygaygay9940
@weggygaygay9940 6 ай бұрын
I find it incredibly stupid and laughable that pausing is considered on the same level as using a TAS. My immediate gut reaction is that they're just massive babies, but it's not my community so.
@_Sinduss
@_Sinduss 4 ай бұрын
No. Pause spamming's biggest issue is it is no fun to perform and takes very little skill. For how tedious it is you might as well just TAS and create an insane run which pushes the limit of the game.
@VoidHearted
@VoidHearted 8 ай бұрын
I could write a whole paragraph to praise the effort put into the investigation and video itself. But people have already done that. So I want to mention how much I love the entire credits sequence. All the amazing clips from various players alongside the heartfelt guitar song, it feels like an appreciation for all of the genuine achievements made in the community after having to sit through a such long list of callouts.
@Shurikenofdoomed
@Shurikenofdoomed 9 ай бұрын
it's great to see another video from you. been watching you for 6-8 years now (can't remember how long exactly) and the way your videos have improved over the years has been amazing to see. i think you really outdid yourself here. the level of research and insight undertaken in this video is astounding, and it's no wonder we have such long waits between videos. honestly i'm perfectly fine waiting if this is what we get afterwards. looking forward to the next one! i'm guessing that will be the second part of the lost monkey ball games, which i am very much excited for
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for such kind words! To be perfectly honest, while this video did take a tonne of work to make, most of the delay is purely from me being lazy / unmotivated. This is the first video I made in Premiere Pro (previously I edited in PowerPoint) so hopefully there was a noticeable boost in editing quality. And yes, I WILL finish the Lost SMB Games series. Whether it will be my next video or not, I'm not sure, but I made a promise and I will uphold it!
@Shurikenofdoomed
@Shurikenofdoomed 9 ай бұрын
@@Goober13md wait, did you mean windows movie maker instead of powerpoint? or is there a way to edit videos in powerpoint? also no worries on the whole unmotivated part. i have no room to judge there honestly. i'll be eagerly but patiently awaiting whatever you upload next!
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
@@Shurikenofdoomed It was a combination of both PowerPoint and PowerDirector. I would do all of the editing with text and images in PowerPoint, screen capture it and time the animations to my voiceover, then composite it all together in an actual video editor. I really love PowerPoint and think it is extremely good software for more than just presentations at school or work or whatever. It's kind of crazy to me I have videos with upwards of 100k views on what are effectively jazzed up PowerPoint presentations. I also don't think I've ever had a comment from someone that noticed the video was mostly made in PowerPoint without me hinting to it in some way first.
@Shurikenofdoomed
@Shurikenofdoomed 9 ай бұрын
@@Goober13md i think few have considered making videos that way, and it should be obvious that i didn't think powerpoint could even be used like that in a way that isn't noticeable to others. honestly it's really impressive. after spending so long using a fairly unconventional method of video production, it makes sense that adjusting to something more standard would take some getting used to. honestly it appeared seamless to me in this video though. btw shout out to the ballance music in the chapter titles. that was the first game i ever played so it's very nostalgic hearing those little melodies
@Kirobsi
@Kirobsi 7 ай бұрын
@@Goober13md What in particular motivated the switch to Premiere? o:
@nsf001-3
@nsf001-3 9 ай бұрын
20:21 I think this expectation is why that one guy Karl Jobst talked about tried to sandbag his own cheating in some version of COD Zombies
@swiftfated
@swiftfated 9 ай бұрын
Huh? You mean the joke in the cheater exposed video?
@ZeldaTheSwordsman
@ZeldaTheSwordsman 8 ай бұрын
@@swiftfated nsf001-3 is talking about Prawley's cheated world record for the Black Ops Zombies "Shadows of Evil" easter egg speedrun, and the fact that Prawley played the long con and built up to it slowly over a long period of time with gradual PB improvements in order to make himself look legit.
@FirstnameLastname-vk1qm
@FirstnameLastname-vk1qm 9 ай бұрын
I've never even played SMB, but I greatly appreciate your videos on it's community's history. Their attention to detail, humility, and editing skill make them interesting even without having heard of SMB before finding your channel.
@Darkthestral1
@Darkthestral1 9 ай бұрын
Excellent. Your vid on the other monkeyball cheater (cant spell their name) is a comfort vid of mine, and I'm sure this will be too. I really appreciate the dedication of speedrunning communities. In fact the other monkeyball cheating video got me into watching speed run explanations. You and everyone else's work is greatly appreciated
@thehoodedteddy1335
@thehoodedteddy1335 9 ай бұрын
“Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk” -Henry David Thoreau
@ellis16
@ellis16 9 ай бұрын
cover artist at the end is mad talented btw. keep doin ur thing you funky little dude
@konkeydonged
@konkeydonged 9 ай бұрын
27:40 Hell freezes over - packattack becomes a God at wires. Jesus Saves ✝🙏
@kellymountain
@kellymountain 9 ай бұрын
it's almost poetic. just scribble out the part that says cheater and you have a Facebook post
@CaptainSnackbeard
@CaptainSnackbeard 6 ай бұрын
Chtistian uses Jesus to cover for cheating. Sounds about right.
@Dathstarfury
@Dathstarfury 9 ай бұрын
I swear that voice of Smilingjack13 has to be the Dean of Doom himself, Mtpain. Sounds just like him and he's pretty distinct.
@universalperson
@universalperson 9 ай бұрын
It's def mtpain27. I recognized him right away.
@yawg691
@yawg691 9 ай бұрын
Okay yeah I had to pause and rewind because it made me go WAIT
@simmarine
@simmarine 9 ай бұрын
yes lol, sick stuff
@J0000OOOO
@J0000OOOO 9 ай бұрын
Yup gotta be him lmao. Video has a lot of Doom tracks in it too, even some community ones like the Plutonia MIDI pack and stewboy's Ancient Aliens soundtrack. Crazy to hear.
@Rowan_Maladeus
@Rowan_Maladeus 9 ай бұрын
You do a service for our community's integrity! Thank you so much for your and the rest of the team's work keeping competition fair and honest.
@Rebzyyx_fan-545
@Rebzyyx_fan-545 9 ай бұрын
Im very disappointed in PackAttack. I really loved him for is super Mario bros records. Thank you Goober for exposing the truth.
@snared_
@snared_ 9 ай бұрын
are you convinced he cheated runs?
@Rebzyyx_fan-545
@Rebzyyx_fan-545 9 ай бұрын
@@snared_ yeah, in the words of Goober, "if it looks like a monkey having a seizure on a tight rope, it's probably rapid paused."
@NicoTheCinderace
@NicoTheCinderace 9 ай бұрын
@@snared_The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of Pack cheating.
@anonymoose2474
@anonymoose2474 9 ай бұрын
Is it the same packattack? Or a different guy?
@SolEmeralds18
@SolEmeralds18 9 ай бұрын
​@@anonymoose2474looks like it's the exact same guy
@konkeydonged
@konkeydonged 9 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏 Brilliant detective work! This was so long overdue, and a very significant contribution to the integrity and accuracy of SMB history. Watching packattack's E9 and A11 videos 20+ years later certainly hits much differently for me than it did back then. 😅Thank you for your dedication to bringing the truth to light.
@Walter_
@Walter_ 9 ай бұрын
In my opinion the old replay-only scores should now all receive a red asterisk. This - makes it clear which scores are not 100% verifiable - doesn't remove the scores - lets people decide themselves if they want to trust unverified scores - gives incentive for people to return and redo their score if they want Any super-blatant cheaters like packattack can just be manually removed to avoid them clogging the leaderboards with unverified scores.
@bingusbongus9807
@bingusbongus9807 8 ай бұрын
this is a genius solution
@zoltanz288
@zoltanz288 7 күн бұрын
a record board can never have records that are not 100% verifiable. its not a record board if it does.
@SHDW-nf2ki
@SHDW-nf2ki 4 ай бұрын
EVery speed run cheating scandal is like this Some guy with literally impossible skills shows up, rocks the community for YEARS and no one suspects anything
@Videogamereview64
@Videogamereview64 9 ай бұрын
Amazing work, Goober! So much info and background to what the community was like 20 years ago that I loved to learn about. I also didn't expect the video to end on such a somber note, but it was awesome =)
@sombertoboggly
@sombertoboggly 9 ай бұрын
an hour long video essay on monkey ball? hell yeah. can't wait to watch this!
@Learn_The_Cube
@Learn_The_Cube 9 ай бұрын
I'm very sick and was delighted to see a new upload from you. You made my day better. Thank you
@formerlymax
@formerlymax 9 ай бұрын
"I have a fetish for a computer animated male humanoid fox... omg" - Ferretdruid 2002
@gairisiuil
@gairisiuil 8 ай бұрын
gonna need a source on this one
@formerlymax
@formerlymax 8 ай бұрын
@@gairisiuil its literally in the video
@gairisiuil
@gairisiuil 8 ай бұрын
@@formerlymax yeah i was blind
@znub206
@znub206 9 ай бұрын
Babe wake up new super monkey ball video. I love your videos man you’re one of the only youtubers who delves so deep into my favourite game series :)))
@damiencouturee6240
@damiencouturee6240 9 ай бұрын
Lol Ive never really played it and I still got excited when I saw this video. You give me an hour long deep dive into a game I've never played and I'm watching an hour long deep dive into a game I've never played lol.
@ronniericcardi4179
@ronniericcardi4179 9 ай бұрын
Just found this guys channel and I can’t believe the quality and how interesting his videos are. Wish he posted more often!
@nsf001-3
@nsf001-3 9 ай бұрын
I'm not blaming anyone for so much time passing without anyone catching this, and it's easy to miss things in games that aren't your expertise (like me, since I've never played this game, only watched runs), but if I saw a Tony Hawk game speedrun, and the rail grinds had _no_ imbalance whatsoever, I would seriously doubt that the player was just super good at predicting or reacting to the lean during the grind. Looks like a similar case here; his grinds are just super precise with no deviation whatsoever
@blendra8602
@blendra8602 9 ай бұрын
Very thought-provoking video. The evidence clearly points towards there being unfair play, and I'm glad everyone will have the opportunity to understand why and how this is the case.
@sonriku7331
@sonriku7331 9 ай бұрын
Hey dude, I've watched your video on Jcool at least a dozen times (as well as your other videos) while anxiously waiting for this video to be made (since i saw you talking about in the comments on one of them). I've actually gotten into SMB ILing in SMB1 on Dolphin as a result of yours and other top SMB players' videos and it's insane the level of precision and skill you need just to COMPLETE a lot of the levels. I can of course tie the best score for B1 given how mindless it is lol and I have some scores and times, while average or low on the cyberscore rankings, I think are impressive for someone who had not put much time in the game. I've only been able to do all of Beginner and Advanced without dying though and on Advanced I used the warp goals on A6, A18, and A25 (also completed all of the extra stages for both difficulties). I would love to be able to use the warp goal on A11 but truthfully, the .1 wire was super difficult to complete even WITH rapid pausing. As of making this comment, the best I've completed on A11 is the .2 wire without pausing and I only have memory have of completing .1 wire to the warp goal once out of the many times I tried it but I'm pretty sure I paused at least once somewhere since I didn't even bother to save a replay. Some expert stages here and there outside of the first 4 were completable for me. E9 was particularly interesting because I didn't spend much time on it but I tried using rapid pausing on the .1 wire and could NOT even get past the first curve. In fact, I'd even be lucky to even REACH the curve at all. I'm pretty sure the only wire I could do was the .5 wire but that in itself isn't impressive and it would embarrassing if I needed rapid pausing to complete it lmao Anyway, I made this comment for 3 reasons: 1. To give kudos to you and the other SMB players for keeping up the competitiveness of the series. Before I'd only played SMB Jr. on the Gameboy Advance when I was kid and it's nice to see where a lot of the level designs stuck in Jr despite the limitations of the Gameboy. 2. To give my own experience with the game and also gloat a little haha I would've posted some scores and times I achieved but again given it's from a beginner they're not that important lol 3. It probably didn't need to be said but it's to give more clarity and a reminder to those viewing this video and happen to find this comment. Many of you should be aware of a KZbinr named Karl Jobst who has posted many videos regarding cheaters in various video games. Two quote that he has strung on many of his videos are "A cheater does not cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster" and "Being good doesn't make it any less likely to cheat". It is important to note that the most controversial cheating scandals are done by players who actually have a lot of skill. It's impossible to be a beginner in a game and cheat in a way that it won't be detectible to more experienced players. In the case of Jcool114 and packattack, as the uploader of both this video and the Jcool video have stated, both players WERE extremely skilled and definitely did not need to cheat to claim really good scores. Jcool himself has a 25K score on E9 that was livestreamed that beats eddy0777's score. It's clear amidst the skill and talent players will have, some will try to push themselves to the next level and set insane records that are tough to beat by any means necessary while also maintaining their legitimacy through lying, manipulation, and gaslighting, which can be over the course of SEVERAL years. I will personally never understand myself why anyone would go through such lengths and doing such does damage to their respective communities and to your credit as both a player and a person. But I want to also say that in my personal opinion, I don't think it makes them horrible people. While admissions to cheating only come on with after accusations, investigations, evidence to prove them illegitimate, what I mostly care about is the response to communities making their conclusions of their illegitimacy i.e. their apology, and what they do from there going forward. With no answer from packattack, it's hard to say how he feels about his SMB scores, specifically his cheated ones, but I'd like to think he has SOME guilt for them, considering he has long since moved on and I'd be pretty baffled if he had not actually reflected on it since then. If he wishes not to speak on the manner, then we can only really respect that for now (tho I know some will feel compelled to comment on his KZbin videos to speak on the situation). It's nonetheless disappointing and shocking since packattack is one of the many KZbinrs I watched growing up but oh well, you think you know someone until you realize you don't. To whoever read this, thank you for reading. Hope you have a wonderful day :) Edit (4/4/2024): I have successfully completed the A11 .1 path without pausing a few days ago ^^
@Darkfyyre
@Darkfyyre 9 ай бұрын
hearing the perspective of a beginner player feels as valuable as that of a pro, so thanks for sharing! i respect your opinion on cheaters too, i think that's a very compassionate position to take and i believe you're probably right in thinking he's grown out of his shameful past, even if he never comes forward to clear the air or confess guilt. as much as i'm sure we'd all love to know for certain what really went down two decades ago, we're ultimately not entitled to the truth. i hope everyone involved can find ways to move forward that are healthy and constructive. best of luck to you in your SMB endeavors! and have a wonderful day yourself :)
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
Well said, and I appreciate you watching my videos! I'm happy to hear you're giving high scores a go. Not sure if you know this, but we recently moved away from Cyberscore and have our own leaderboard website at smbelite.net. You should join if you haven't already! :)
@sonriku7331
@sonriku7331 9 ай бұрын
@Goober13md Yes ive checked out the site! I fear I may not be able to post what I have since my videos don't match the proof standards for Dolphin users which is fine by me!
@bb010g
@bb010g 9 ай бұрын
​@@sonriku7331It appears that SMB1 still accepts scores performed via Dolphin, at least?
@sonriku7331
@sonriku7331 9 ай бұрын
@bb010g Yes, i still dont match the proof requirements tho for what i wouldve liked to post tho
@just-linx8271
@just-linx8271 9 ай бұрын
It seems Curious George picked up the ball and became Serious George. Excellent work.
@andeggbreaks
@andeggbreaks 9 ай бұрын
I was not expecting this to be as well researched and entertaining as it was. I really enjoyed this. Great work, and I am sorry your community had to deal with this.
@Scampwick69
@Scampwick69 9 ай бұрын
I can't believe you don't have more subs. I watch your other SMB video from 2 years ago, and that one was great too I love long videos about games I've never played
@log22513
@log22513 9 ай бұрын
dude this video is amazing your attention to detail is insane keep it up man! also good god i need a full cover of that blink song from gamecube
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! If you're a fan of GC04's music, make sure you visit his KZbin page linked in the description. If you like bands like blink and Jimmy Eat World, you should listen to his cover album Uncovered, it's really great! :)
@noopa5229
@noopa5229 9 ай бұрын
Commenting so the algorithm encourages this video going around. Solid video mate
@TwilightPB
@TwilightPB 9 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this video for quite some time now... time to grab a beer and a hotdog, lay back, and enjoy!
@Kryssy128
@Kryssy128 5 ай бұрын
To be honest this situation seems to be more a failure of having a proper moderation team for this speedrunning community than a cheater being smart enough to get away with it for so long. The fact a person can hold a score with such a gap between first and second place for such a long time should have made anyone suspicious.
@yawg691
@yawg691 9 ай бұрын
Definitely know smilingjack13's voice actor! Especially given so many of your music choices. Very cool haha
@Mii-Min
@Mii-Min 9 ай бұрын
We play on Ultra Violence and Rapid pausing is disallowed!
@spencer6736
@spencer6736 2 ай бұрын
I think if he didn't intentionally cheat because of the vagueness of whether rapid pausing is banned, then he wouldn't have made efforts to hide the fact that it's the strategy he used. The fact that it wasn't explicitly mentioned already shows his intention.
@timhadaway-m7z
@timhadaway-m7z Ай бұрын
My takeaway from this video is that diddy kong racing song gets to be stuck in my head all day now 😁👍
@karalyzel3177
@karalyzel3177 9 ай бұрын
This video was very well put together, I'm surprised to see it's from such a small channel! Nicely done! The song cover at the credits was great too, I really hope they know how good of a job they did with it.
@Quandry1
@Quandry1 9 ай бұрын
Given the multiple ways these guys talked... and that they did so much discussion on Game Faqs and such. It's completely possible that Klow did ban it but they just didn't explicitly put it on their board and it may not have even dawned on them to do so. They may have sorted it out elsewhere and just considered that enough. i remember a couple of my own things being kind of this way when I was doing RPG stuff way back in the day. We decided something but because we were all discussing it in AIM and ICQ and such. we never thought to put it on the main game site, unless it became something that raised it's head as an issue again to have to address it there.
@hizzy70
@hizzy70 Ай бұрын
This is basically what happened " im not that good at this game. Hmmm theres a way to cheat now and I got a really good score cheating but I don't want to do that I wanna play for real using skill so forget that score." 1 day later "Hey guys now I am magically amazing at the game, thank you hard work and dedication"
@Yamijosueiplier
@Yamijosueiplier 9 ай бұрын
Sat here for a whole hour watching this and i don’t regret it, thankyou for the entertainment and information good sir
@thebigpig2364
@thebigpig2364 9 ай бұрын
Edge grinding is my favorite hobby
@ZeldaTheSwordsman
@ZeldaTheSwordsman 8 ай бұрын
Goodnight, everybody!
@yynnuc
@yynnuc 7 ай бұрын
eyyyyy
@Doneycats
@Doneycats 9 ай бұрын
This is an amazingly made video. The only problem is that whenever you said “The June Archive” I think of that stupid cat parasite and start laughing.
@shadowthephoenix1
@shadowthephoenix1 9 ай бұрын
As said by many others when it comes to speedrunning or any sort of competitive play, you dont have to be bad to cheat. Just because Packattack could still do some fairly impressive things in liveplay doesn't mean that he wasn't cheating his ass off in his WRs. My man was lying through his teeth his entire SMB career 100%, even his claims of "damn i got this perfect score in 5 minutes and i suck dick!" show how sus he was and honestly sound like a desperate attempt at attention LMFAO. People were too nice back in the day.
@TheInker
@TheInker 9 ай бұрын
Skilled players are _better_ at cheating, as they know how to produce convincing good play, and understand the game well enough to hide the seams.
@NymphieJP
@NymphieJP 9 ай бұрын
I don't even like Super Monkey Ball but I enjoy this sort of shit lol I watched your other video about the cheater mentioned throughout this one and that was good too. Keep it up, man!
@jacobwilbers9852
@jacobwilbers9852 9 ай бұрын
Mtpain voicing smilingjack with doom music in the background is a dead give away😂 did you do that on purpose?
@Spiral6SM
@Spiral6SM 9 ай бұрын
He might be anonymous, but the Dean of Doom is iconic.
@kstanni87
@kstanni87 8 ай бұрын
KarlJobst also did a unique research and the rapid pause/splicing can be detected if the monkey are out of sync or jitterish
@lwi_sandwich
@lwi_sandwich 8 ай бұрын
Alternative title : community takes 20 years to figure a man has no honor.
@raddaradda8682
@raddaradda8682 9 ай бұрын
Dang dude. This was kinda bittersweet. Been playing this game for over a decade and never knew about the competitive stuff until a few years back when I learned speedrunning was a thing. Then found your channel and was impressed at how in depth you went. Major props, very much looking forward to the next video. 😊
@CammyWritesMusic
@CammyWritesMusic 9 ай бұрын
Just wanted to pop in and say thank you for using music from the classic Doom modding community so prominently in these videos. Ours is a pretty tight-knit scene, and exposure outside of it is a real treat; I still remember how hearing Ancient Aliens music in the previous SMB cheating scandal video put a pep in my step for the whole day. Worlds collide. Fantastic work on the editing and storytelling of the video in general, you've got a knack for this kind of stuff. Keep it up! :)
@maracaman1
@maracaman1 8 ай бұрын
I found a randome vid on yt one day of a song from some doom mod. Cyber attack I think it was called. Music was fire
@bokrugthewaterserpent3012
@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 9 ай бұрын
Maybe it's because I'm not any sort of pro at the game (I just play it for fun with my little sister), but just seeing Packattack bounce around and suddenly lose all momentum seemed off to me. One of the most challenging things about this game is the way momentum works and hitting the walls can completely screw you over, but somehow this dude gets magneticslly pulled to the rails and then his momentum just stops. Maybe this actually has an explanation in the games physics, idk but it seems fishy to me.
@poopinwinter2795
@poopinwinter2795 2 ай бұрын
God could you imagine how weird it would be to be that 3rd place holder?
@greffen
@greffen 9 ай бұрын
"not a chance in hell (frozen over or otherwise) that these scores would make it on the leaderboards" banger line
@mykal2803
@mykal2803 9 ай бұрын
love these deep dives into old gaming records like summing salt does, but I cant remember seeing one of his in a while. Take over the niche brother its ripe for the picking!
@Sizzyl
@Sizzyl 9 ай бұрын
I love insights into communities like this that I was never a part of, really interesting to hear all these stories and theories
@soyjoyy
@soyjoyy 9 ай бұрын
I remember when you said something along the lines of "Cheaters are just a very small minority of players". True, and apparently, they are all at the top. Leaderboards are starting to loose all credibility in the last few years. It's crazy how many of those "legendary speedrunners" are being exposed across most popular games, my main page is FILLED with those videos.
@seekerstheshy3842
@seekerstheshy3842 9 ай бұрын
Consider it a purge, never before has speed running been this popular or widespread to a mainstream audience. More eyes and more fresh minds means old standing bullshit finally gets called out.
@zoltanz288
@zoltanz288 7 күн бұрын
looks like they really arent that small a part huh? looks like the majority to me.
@license2Bort
@license2Bort 9 ай бұрын
Great video man. I know nothing of monkeyball besides two of your videos and I was super engaged!
@skip_scada
@skip_scada 9 ай бұрын
what a sweet way to end a video. I remember seeing a montage of levels on this site System Crash set to Franz Ferdinand - The Matinee and thinking it was the coolest video in the world (partly because it would be a few more months until I got that album for my birthday aww). it must have been in 140p and that album's about to turn 20. well time to pack it in
@splendidcyan
@splendidcyan 9 ай бұрын
Wow, I'm plugging away at some work and I put on the Jcool video because it's some of my favorite background noise to work to, and then I see that there's a follow-up of sorts in this video! I'm sorry this speedrunning community had their ranks taken up by TWO cheaters fighting each other for number 1, but I appreciate the explanations, interviews, and discussions in these videos. Fascinating to learn about something I have literally no knowledge about.
@WhiteWolf-lm7gj
@WhiteWolf-lm7gj 9 ай бұрын
That's exactly what I did!
@Rubbly
@Rubbly 9 ай бұрын
Another BIG one Huge work you put in for this community, nice job!
@fellthekerl
@fellthekerl 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for giving eddy my goat the screen time he deserves 🙏
@Shizzal
@Shizzal 8 ай бұрын
Hi Fell
@johnny1599
@johnny1599 9 ай бұрын
Oh my God your voice is infinitely more bearable in this video. Good stuff. Oration is an art, keep it up.
@TheKoopaKingBowser
@TheKoopaKingBowser 9 ай бұрын
It's just..So flabbergasting for me to comprehend that the man with endless walkthroughs that I grew up with, is the same man who was considered the G.O.A.T of Monkey Ball Speedrunning, ONLY to then have been caught cheating.
@zoltanz288
@zoltanz288 7 күн бұрын
the goat is a satanic symbol after all.
@colour_thief
@colour_thief 9 ай бұрын
giving the video a thumbs up, tears streaming down my face
@EmeraldPynk
@EmeraldPynk 9 ай бұрын
Hi, never played this game, never heard of packattack, still enjoyed the video and the detective work, and really enjoyed GameCube04's cover at the end. It can be devastating to find something like this out after idolize someone for so long. And I'm sure many compared their own abilities with the abilities of a (more than likely) cheater to the point I'm sure many gave up even trying to compete. But competition is at it's best when it inspires others to compete as well. So now that the exposing has been done, and the impossible standard has been removed, I hope this marks a turning of the page for the Monkey Ball community and it can heal and move forward in rejuvenated competition 😊
@dbeast03
@dbeast03 9 ай бұрын
I know this isn't really about the highscore runs, but pausing *does* have a use case, just FAR away from highscore runs. That'd be RTA speedruns, a clearly, VERY clearly different arena where such pauses still cost you time and really don't take away from the competition.
@CaptianKatsura
@CaptianKatsura 9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Goober actually brings this up in the jcool video when he's explaining why rapid pausing is banned in High Score runs.
@herothehedgefox
@herothehedgefox 9 ай бұрын
2:06 this is how i find out the AV logo is on the bottom of that island LOL
@four-en-tee
@four-en-tee 6 ай бұрын
When you're in a cheating competition and your opponent is packattack
@auraguardianred4771
@auraguardianred4771 9 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say that I think this is an amazing video and I really enjoyed watching it. I was hesitant to watch a cheating video because I think they are “milked” by parts of the speedrunning/high score community and just spread negativity, but I know your videos are great, so I decided to watch this one and I’m glad I did. As expected, you handled this with the gravity it deserves without being mean, overly speculative, or negative, while still making the video enjoyable to watch I also loved the classic Doom music!
@Sapient_Pearwood
@Sapient_Pearwood 9 ай бұрын
The end song was AMAZING!
@bingusbongus9807
@bingusbongus9807 8 ай бұрын
40:13 ABSOLUTELY INSANE MEMORY this guy has to be able to remember the EXACT phrase used in a forum post from OVER 20 YEARS AGO!!!! i couldn't remember something like this from a week ago!!
@voyagerrock1137
@voyagerrock1137 9 ай бұрын
i just automatically assume that the top players on any leaderboard are cheating.
@PringoOrSomething
@PringoOrSomething 8 ай бұрын
Bros edge game was so unreal it was down right suspicious 💀
@UnknownSouldier
@UnknownSouldier 6 ай бұрын
Great video and investigation! I have no investment in SMB competitive play, or even casual play (I never had the patience and dedication needed to get better at the game), but I'm glad your effort to look into this matter will give many in your community some validation. Hopefully if PackAttack did indeed rapid-pause, the guilt of being an illegitimate competitor will weigh on him for the rest of their life!
@khalilthehistorian7454
@khalilthehistorian7454 9 ай бұрын
The sequel we didn’t know we needed
@kylemerritt723
@kylemerritt723 6 ай бұрын
Passionate people with niche interests always make the best content. All I knew about monkey ball before this was “it’s a PlayStation game I think”
@simoncrawford7966
@simoncrawford7966 9 ай бұрын
I thought I recognised the name Jason Baum (Gamecube04). He was also a high-level speedcuber in the late noughties
@Goober13md
@Goober13md 9 ай бұрын
Yes, that's him! In 2008 he held the North American Record for 3x3 average with a time of 11.97 seconds (assuming I'm reading his WCA profile correctly).
@konkeydonged
@konkeydonged 9 ай бұрын
@@Goober13md That is correct!🤓
@FioFiorello
@FioFiorello 9 ай бұрын
I dont want to blow up their spot because it says they requested no credit but smilingjack13's voice actor is very familiar...
@yawg691
@yawg691 9 ай бұрын
Especially with many of the music choices haha
@MechMK1
@MechMK1 9 ай бұрын
Why does it feel like the same drama happens in every other speedgame? One person completely dominates the competition, able to seemily get world records at will, only for it to be revealed that he was cheating all this time.
@hoagie911
@hoagie911 9 ай бұрын
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