The Biggest Cheating Scandal in Trackmania History

[@wolfsokaya]

"Backstabing a friend." I would rather call it "having a backbone" for not showing favoritism for anyone. Good job.

[@irtur52]

For me "backstabing a friend" in this situation is what riolu did. Attacked his friend on livestream to try to hide the truth and devalue his work.

[@brunobruno-c1d]

@@irtur52 yeah, ironically the backstabbing one would be riolu - throwing its friend under the bus now that it was caught, when it could just go the 'well i fucked up, im sorry' route the worst friends are those that would see you doing something wrong and would side with you, friendship includes calling eachother out when youre doing bad things, not just sucking up eachother's mistakes and being a yes man

[@Nebulaoblivion]

The world would be a better place if more people cared about the right thing, instead of giving free passes to their friends to be shitheads. Wirtual showed true character here, and I respect him for that. It can't have been easy confronting him about it, or going public with it, but the truth is more important. He gave him every opportunity to get ahead of this, confess, and apologize, and from what I've seen in comments, it seems like a lot of the community would have accepted that, appreciated it, and still support the guy. Instead he lashed out like a child, and ostracized himself.

[@jasonsls96]

@@hughle9913 Depression and suicidal thought aren't a choice someone makes. Committing sexual assault is a choice, you aren't any less of a friend, just because you set boundaries. if life puts him down in a way that's out of his control then yes stick by his side through it all. But assuming it wasn't a false report, He chose to sexually assault someone and you shouldn't have intervened with the course of justice. Again Depression and sexual assault are not comparable.

[@Samtehcool]

@@hughle9913 That's awful and you're awful. Perverting the course of justice and ruining another innocent person's life for the sake of a friend who turned out to be a horrible person. There's not much lower a human being can go.

[@GolDGreg]

Cheating the runs he gave to the Devs to set target times for normal players is the scummiest thing

[@Dracogame]

I know right? What was the point anyway? That was so lame.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@Dracogame ego

[@joaozin156]

@@Dracogame My guess is time constraint. he was probably asked to do that within a specific time frame, and just didn't thought he could get good times done within that tight schedule, so he cheated to get it done quicker.

[@Matty.Hill_87]

I bet people beat those times though didn't they?

[@wxbrainiac]

@@joaozin156 funny thing is he cheated by playing slower to go faster

[@xxbeatuupzz]

Poor Wirtual man, finding out one of his friends who he respects massively cheated thousands of runs, and then being villainised by that same friend for trying to help. Wirtual, if you do read this, just know we have you on this one, and we all hope it gets resolved peacefully

[@PaffDaddyTR]

Underrated comment this needs to be on the top.

[@fredrikstheim5041]

Top comment?

[@Kenzie3581]

why ya down here? get up to the top edit: cool now u at top

[@joaorichter9970]

@@herpderp3131 are you implying there is a first party that conducts investigations for justice on cheaters in the trackmania community? if there was, this guy would be it. this is no vigilante work dumbass, this guy has been doing it for years and was part of many official groups hired to detect this sort of behavior in tournaments. plus, he and donadigo developted a program used to analyze any discrepancies in WR runs, which now is a must to legitimize any run that makes it into the leaderboards. it doesn't get any more official than that.

[@stonehornet2719]

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[@StormCrownSr]

Donadigo making a simple screen overlay, that he probably only really designed to make it easier to learn from the record holders, only to have accidentally made an anti-cheat program is hilarious to me.

[@MarsJenkar]

With it leading to him making/finishing an anti-cheat patch for TMNF, this time on purpose. Gotta give props to donadigo for realizing what he'd stumbled upon, and deciding _not_ to remain silent about it, but to seek help and investigate the matter further.

[@luitistje]

a lot of inventions get different purposes than at first intended. My favorite example is autotune, which was at first an aid in trying to locate oil fields underneath the bottom of the sea

[@gokartish]

Riolu's apology coming soon in 40% speed

[@screambmachine]

nice thought, but actually it'd have to be sped up

[@TechPandaa]

Underrated Command tbh

[@ironheadbr7210]

i mean you're not wrong but that comment is indeed a big oof

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Funny way to say 2%

[@nervz3837]

Ok this one is good

[@TacoBurrit0]

"it takes a great deal of courage to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends" You gave riolu every chance to explain himself and he chose to ignore it

[@visceral557]

This better not be a quote from harry potter.

[@agentep9979]

@@visceral557 It is

[@Agamemnon2]

Ten points to Gryffindor.

[@ObjectivelyCorrectOpinion]

This quote is true.

[@09fall_damage45]

@@visceral557 f

[@Ryzel12345]

“Who cares about the records?”, said the guy cheating for records for 10 years.

[@johnlucas2838]

He obviously does, since they're his. And everyone would care because it's WRs for their passion, if they're cheated then it devalues that passion and disrespects the rest of the community. People screaming snitch have a degeneration of morality, and that makes it seem like they can be easily rolled over.

[@joprez]

I play games for 23 years. I AM strongly against cheats. In my 23 years of playing almost everyday i Cheated 1 day of my life. This kind of cheaters in vídeo are people that cheat to BE on top, its not for learn, test or fun. Its for seriously get advantage of players that are actualy trying to BE the best. There is no excuse for this players and they should have their accs permantly banned and the people behind this acc should BE permanently banned from official competitions. No matter the game, no matter the reasons.

[@Nebulaoblivion]

Dudes whining about it affecting his livelyhood, when it very well could have been someone elses livelyhood to start with if he hadn't been a scumbag and cheated.

[@dio8070]

He cares if he’s been cheating for 10 years. That cap from riolu when he said that.

[@MiIoTheWizard]

@DeadDanceDone Okay but seriously, 10 years of cheating records without owning up any of it??? I understand people who cheat for fun or entertainment, but stepping so low as to cheat records to be one of the best is just not fair as there are also people who actually play legit, people who has practiced for many months, even years, to be able to be a world record holder in this game and it all gets obsolete by people who reached the top by cheating, almost like boarding a helicopter to get to be one of the first to reach the top of a mountain, it’s just frustrating to see people like this.

[@cmdrriotz5283]

Never understood the calling people a "snitch" mentality. If someone's doing something wrong, they should absolutely be called out and corrected.

[@thiscommentwillbedeletedso5211]

Go to Detroit call out people doing wrong see how long you live if I was you I would stay on the Internet because the real world isn't for you

[@JayDeeIsMyName]

@@thiscommentwillbedeletedso5211 There you are again, threatening people. Woooo, tough guy. I'm shaking.

[@MkiSaskTheGlumpSod]

people don’t hate snitches strictly for calling out wrong behavior (obviously the person being called out will, but I mean others), they hate snitches for not having the balls (metaphorically speaking for women) to confront the person in question about their behavior and instead just telling on them to an authority to get them in trouble. It’s just the grown up version of being a tattletale, which if you didn’t hate as a kid, probably meant you were one.

[@JayDeeIsMyName]

@@MkiSaskTheGlumpSod Do you think that's the issue here? Let's just reinstate this; the guy cheated. Well over a few YEARS. Didn't even bother to own up to it after he got caught redhanded.

[@MkiSaskTheGlumpSod]

@@JayDeeIsMyName I have no idea where you got the impression that I was defending riolu? I was just explaining why people hate snitches to OP, I wasn’t even referring to the video

[@xdfinu8416]

"I'm not angry, just dissapointed." is the whole tone of this video. Sad to hear about this.

[@rkhrd3211]

He really is his dad

[@God-gi9iu]

Yup

[@TheTanadu]

@@michagabo8819 stfu and go away with spam

[@anxs7168]

He just mocked riolu on twitter so i think he is even glad for the content he got off that topic

[@herpderp3131]

It's a third party investigation. You know why judges hate vigilante "justice"?

[@Digidi4]

Riolu: cheats like crazy *gets called out* Riolu: how dare you

[@0Tension]

With german accent like: HOW DAE YOU

[@olivergrafe8998]

@@0Tension to be exact: Wie kannst du es wagen?

[@Elim_Animations]

Riolu is under dirtbag in the dictionary

[@dunichtich100]

The typical reaction of a cheater or lyer 😅

[@brianbishop5322]

Riolu should get hired by Joe Biden.

[@LaurensKuppens]

"That's blackmail if I've ever seen it". Guess he's never seen it.

[@jeltje50]

"heyy you should watch out with what you say" "omg this guy is TOTALLY blackmailing me" ¿Que?

[@sarcobarco9562]

people laughing in his chat look like real clowns now lmao

[@whitneysmiltank]

@@sarcobarco9562 That's just typical twitch beta loser behavior tbh. Just licking the streamer's boots as much as they can without ever thinking that they could be in the wrong.

[@leaderofcommunistchina1427]

@@whitneysmiltank feels good to be a forsen baj

[@Bloodseeker9000]

@@whitneysmiltank its not at all what everyone in the commentsection is doing right now... oh wait it is.

[@slaygoblins]

Imagine being like, "Hey bro, I know we're friends so I'm going to try and help you prove your innocence and keep you from looking bad," and your friend for many years just goes, "You're a fucktard anyway,"

[@billbill3634]

Time for Riolu to hire an astrophysicist from MIT to prove his innocence

[@MrUwU-dj7js]

Scientist use evidence to support his claims, which Rioulu seems to lack, so that couldn't help

[@BlueCyann]

@@MrUwU-dj7js It's a reference to a situation in minecraft speedrunning that was similar in many ways.

[@MrUwU-dj7js]

@@BlueCyann Oh lol Do you know the name of the Minecraft cheater so I can look more info of that?

[@Hayson898]

@@MrUwU-dj7js Karl Jobst did a great video on it and where the quote "Players don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster" comes from. The minecraft cheater is named Dream.

[@MrUwU-dj7js]

@@Hayson898 Thanks :)

[@Throwaway-hj2rr]

The way riolu misinterpreted your warning, accused you of blackmailing and immediately proceeded to sobatage himself (in a way you warned him about) was as funny as it was sad and desperate. He sounds like a man who’s ground is crumbling underneath his feet.

[@TheTanadu]

No, he didn't misinterpret. He hid the rest of the message. He purposely did it so that he could accuse Wirtual on stream of blackmailing so (maybe) Wirtual would be sort of socially punished by the fans and so that they wouldn't believe him when he would speak about it.... but he showed us a report that proves everything, so.... Riolu wanted to "save" himself

[@Frozander]

More like misrepresented.

[@Throwaway-hj2rr]

@@TheTanadu That is very true actually.

[@medic2310]

Check social blade. Crumbling is definitely the word...

[@onlysmiles4949]

@@TheTanadu Not sure what his plan was when he still...had the rest of the message

[@goldenart1215]

* patch gets installed* Riolu: Ok guys I’m retiring from trackmania

[@obscure8125]

@PrimePal No he can't all offline runs are to be validated by this patch to get uploaded to the official site where it matter, you can't cheat on server anyway as its just recipe for disasters straight up bans, can't change the tick rate of server from client side.

[@keanupanu]

@@obscure8125 not true

[@spkd123]

@PrimePal while that may be true, you can always download the replay, run it in your own client and bust his/her ass. Cheaters will (hopefully) never go unnoticed again in TM.

[@tiaanackerman6570]

wait seriously? he stopped playing?

[@Sir_Engel_038]

😂

[@Free2Flay]

This video is the very definition of "innocent until proven guilty". To me, it looked like you had enough evidence to say he was cheating less than halfway through the investigation, but you still went through interviewing more people, compiling hundreds of races in data, and writing up a professional report on the findings. I couldn't believe it when the already-airtight argument was made even *more* airtight by other racers coming forward to admit to using slow-mo, and then showing that their input logs looked very similar to each other. "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" indeed.

[@brunobruno-c1d]

thats how it should be, if its a situation where no hard evidence can be acquired, then you should go far and beyond to make sure youre being fair, imagine if it was wrong and then just, because you didnt go all the way, you ruined someone's carreer? but yeah, this is beyond great and its how it should be done

[@1v966]

speedrunning community is literally a different breed of humans - and I'm saying this as a person that in no capacity is part of it. like remeber the Dream thing? my dudes literally made a 50 page pdf with formulas verified by top tier math scientists to prove a faked rng in a run that WAS NOT EVEN A WR. I understand that Dream is a huge name so everything concerning him was bound to be big anyway but still, THE RUN IN QUESTION WAS NOT EVEN C L O S E TO WR. it was like top20 or something. and the dudes still felt compelled to write a whole аss research paper on the thing. incredible stuff

[@nyalan8385]

@@1v966 well yeah, if you dedicate your life to mastering something to that high of a degree for the sake of competition you would be very passionate to make sure the competition is fair

[@WrestleGermainia]

@@1v966 I don't doubt some of the unknown speedrunners would do something like that as well, like you said the speedrunning community is a different breed, but Dreams reason for doing that and peoples outcry wasn't anything to do with the position his run was at. It was mainly because he's a huge content creator and influence on younger audiences, and on his end his very very lucrative career was on the line. (And from what I gather the general conclusion to that was that he did cheat, but actually most likely didn't know he was cheating based on Karl Jobsts video, so in his eyes he was probably defending himself legit.)

[@yipperdeyip]

Stilll not warranted to have the guy's face in the thumbnail, being seen by millions. That's humiliation that could lead some to shit like depression and suicide. Then, cheating in a stupid videogame wouldn't seem all that bad.

[@Celcord]

"Give us your replays, it'll prove your innocence." "No." Yeah, totally not suspicious.

[@shaunlafferty1781]

Yeah I know what the fuck

[@sessentanoveLIVE]

To be honest, donadigo and Wirtual should've contacted Nadeo about this and help them in this whole investigation before going public or asking for anything. This vigilante move is kind of weird. They did a great job finding this out, but this should've been handled in a much better way. Wirtual and donadigo don't have the right to expose this without any "official" investigation. Plus, the whole memeing on twitter and riolu's childish jokes and insults on stream turned this into a shitshow.

[@tehalexy]

@@sessentanoveLIVE a shitshow is way more entertaining ... i like it this way :D

[@pilotpetrov3855]

@@sessentanoveLIVE why shouldn't they have the right to do so? If their methodology is on point (which it is) then why shouldn't they come forward with this? TM lives, just like many other games, from the input and the engagement of their community. Nadeo provides they playground, but the community fills it with live.

[@Dlowdenn]

@@sessentanoveLIVE Nadeo isn't really that interested in punishing cheaters. Also they have every "right" to show that Riolu is cheating lmao, what kind of argument is that?

[@collwyr]

Riolu using Wirtuals advise to not screw himself over publically by digging himself a deeper hole to dig himself a deeper hole was the biggest heap of irony i've seen in years, clearly was lost on him.

[@SeeThroughist]

@@herpderp3131 What's been done here is equivalent to investigative journalism... not vigilante justice...

[@HDSpectrums]

@@dukkk4944 tf u mean “digging what exactly” digging himself a hole, learn to read. This man has obviously cheated these runs. When it is confirmed 100% you will feel stupid

[@ReiCaixa]

@@dukkk4944 you are the one mad..

[@lightyagami1752]

Your run-on sentence is very difficult to make sense of. Maybe split it up into shorter and simpler sentences?

[@brendan.perdue]

@@lightyagami1752 I'm pretty sure all they're saying is "Riolu using wirtuals advice to dig himself a deeper hole was very ironic. Clearly the meaning of wirtual's statement was lost on him" which is not nearly as complicated as they made it

[@zio]

Man, I've been playing this game for almost 15 years now... As I saw those nicknames in leaderboards, I always thought of them, like they are super humans and aspired to somehow reach their level. At some point I realized I won't get over my skill level and accepted it. Now I don't feel hate, just... dissappointment. 😶

[@Gamerspa0]

O KURDE ZIO XD

[@grcatm]

but at the same time there good in bad stuff, imagine when i found out i beat a cheated time and im not even that good

[@zawo]

very true man

[@Nico-ee3bd]

As Wirtual said, these guys are very talented and could've gotten these sick times anyway. It would just take longer

[@exix77]

pora na powrót do tmuf

[@BRPerfections]

I wonder if Riolu got bored watching all 41 minutes of this video

[@CosmicGoku529]

This video is only 20 minutes long. Where are you getting 41 minutes from?

[@BRPerfections]

@@CosmicGoku529 he's watching it at 50% speed

[@xreox1]

😂

[@andyb3522]

@@BRPerfections most underrated comment.

[@cloppit_]

@@BRPerfections that is, bravo, that is probably the best comment I have ever seen on youtube

[@renfrien7009]

i cant believe people are calling you a backstabber for holding someone accountable for their wrongdoings.

[@magicmulder]

People don’t like their heroes falling, and other people put the “reputation of the group” higher than naming and sanctioning perpetrators. It’s the same everywhere. “We can’t close the beach for a shark alert.” “Let’s never find the killer as he was likely one of our own.” Etc.

[@Yungbeck]

That says more about those people though.

[@FireyFly]

Welcome to how the world works. US vs Bin Laden and such.

[@FireyFly]

@@terryfuldsgaming7995 Then read up on how Bin Laden got to where he was.

[@stephenkamenar]

look at the cheaters twitch chat, shows how stupid and tribal humans are

[@grcatm]

imagine finding out you legit actually beat a cheated time

[@nitroseeks]

A lot of insane players were battling against riolus cheated runs. Someone like racehans was able to beat him many times.

[@Wargodx1337]

racehans

[@20Gero09]

Well, the sad part is Riolu was actually able to produce those times without cheating, he "just" wanted to get there with less effort. But by this point I find that the cheating is no longer the worst part, but rather his manipulative approach afterwards instead of coming clean like all the other cheaters who got exposed the exact same way.

[@tommihommi1]

Imagine suddenly getting 10 WRs because of cheaters getting DQd

[@captainspirou]

Feels like Usain Bolt

[@phasinshark3970]

Props to the people who admitted to cheating and didn’t make a fuss like riolu did. What they did was wrong but at least they accepted it as that unlike riolu.

[@HAScrashedOfficial]

No balls

[@michaelmechex]

It takes a lot to confess to cheating when your whole job is at stake, professional sportsmen also rarely confess to doping

[@RitaTheCuteFox]

@@michaelmechex i doubt he can make a living off playing tm

[@methatis3013]

@@RitaTheCuteFox you'd be surprised

[@michaelmechex]

@@RitaTheCuteFox he said it multiple times that he was a full time streamer and trackmania player, also that he would have to get a job if he dropped out of grand league

[@makwafr9000]

obsessed with watching cheating scandal videos about games i’ve never heard of. no clue what’s going on at any given moment, but god knows i’m thoroughly invested

[@tgis]

err… car go broom but slow no and cheater is more precise. That’s a summary

[@houtarooreki5751]

Can be summarized with this Wirtual: riolu you cheated didn't you? Riolu: of course not why would you think that Wirtual: here's a mountain of evidence and other player confessions that say other wise Riolu: ... Also riolu: you snitch

[@alexc9434]

Same. I didn’t even know this game existed before this video

[@swisstorian]

no literally have never played or watched this game before but im so locked in rn 😭

[@aarlavaan]

“A gold medal is a wonderful thing, but if you’re not enough without it, you’ll never be enough with it.” John candy in Cool Runnings.

[@theultimatejoost]

I miss John Candy, he was so wholesome.

[@sheuphorica7417]

There is so much truth in that. There are different things in life than competition and success..

[@maknozera]

Author medal is best 🤣

[@Retrohhhh]

@@maknozera an author medal is a wonderful thing, but if you’re not enough without it, you’ll never be enough with it.

[@johnlove2954]

Cringe

[@silbernesgold1333]

Oh boy, when riolu is in the thumbnail, you know big things are in the video

[@silbernesgold1333]

@@mattcelder I meant the thumbnail

[@enamel8846]

his nose

[@God-gi9iu]

Oeoe

[@God-gi9iu]

Wowoowwoowowowowow

[@UselessGTAV]

Yeah, big cheats

[@AuraPanda]

It is so interesting to me to see Riolu pull the same "clout chaser" argument on Wirtual as Dream did on Geosquare. He was getting away with it for so long, he didn't even realize it was possible he could be caught. The delusional ego is incredible.

[@Onemandon1245]

I guess but the thing is dream proved his innocence. Riolu just got caught.

[@mroto2626]

@@Onemandon1245 dream said he cheated

[@AuraPanda]

@@Onemandon1245 Dream cheated. He admitted it on Twitter. He just (allegedly) didn't know that he was cheating at the time. I've actually thought about this Trackmania cheating thing a bit since I saw this video 3 weeks ago and it's kind of crazy how he's getting cancelled for cheating in a game where there was essentially no money on the line... But people who have done way worse things go on, creating content, uncancelled and uncaring about the haters. Rice Gum and Keemstar come to mind as shitty people who deserved being cancelled much more than Riolu. Sure, he's an asshat for talking shit to people who were investigating him... But he didn't do anything really that vile, you know?

[@SSWAZZY]

@@AuraPanda yeah he just waisted thousands of hours for the people who are playing legit. Nothing big happened

[@loliabuzer]

@@SSWAZZY i'm no trackmania player, but I guess his runs can still be useful to the community, even if he cheated. Many players can still use the runs to get an idea on how and where to improve. I'm not defending him, his records should be unvalidated (sorry for the bad english), but not everything is to be thrown away imo.

[@RandomNorwegianGuy.]

The moment Riolu became so salty was the moment I knew "Yeah he cheated"

[@bappochan6615]

Watching the stream before this video went live was sad. Knew stupid shit was about to go down, wirtual spends months working on his videos and getting information as to not spread lies. Sitting in that stream watching one of wirtuals friends talk so much shit and hate because wirtual caught him out. He was even offered an easy way out, admit your shit, submit it to tm to have your records revoked, and move on. But he fucked his entire career because he thought kicking and fighting was the only way out

[@ehvaandal]

@@bappochan6615 it's no different for athletes. They don't want to admit it because that's how they make their money.

[@bappochan6615]

@@ehvaandal his main cash flow was viewers. And believe it or not there’s still a huge amount of people asking if he’s ok, asking if he’s ever gonna come back. If he admitted his shit people would’ve lost respect, but I wasn’t there for the records, I was just there for the good vibe streams. So he would’ve made his money, but now that he’s walked away he’s lost the ability. Tho apparently he’s doing good and is in good health working a job

[@RobMedellin]

​@@bappochan6615I'm curious, do you know what he does? Like is the Job something cool or is he like flipping burgers (which is cool but is not what most people aspire to be). And still no apology?

[@bappochan6615]

@@RobMedellin that I don’t know. To my understanding he’s put the community behind him, however he clearly still likes trackmania, wirtual made a video talking about 92BOB who, from time that they went active, play style, and immediate skill on a new account, it’s safe to assume it’s riolu

[@Memphis_ritz]

The cheating isn’t what bothers me in and of itself. It’s the fact that he did it for a decade habitually and when confronted, shit on his own friend calling him a “fucktard” and making fun of him. Those are the two things that i think reveal who this guy really is who i do think should be “canceled”. That kind of behavior from a 25 year old is unacceptable

[@dennispianissimo3265]

That dude probably has some big issues i assume. He got what he deserved

[@sizalx5226]

Well when you've driven yourself into such a corner for 10 years you don't usually react appropriately when confronted The situation in itself is a litteral threat, and the one confronting you is perceived as threatening This reaction is a given, and the message WAS worded in a way where it could be interpreted that way too. Wirtual knew he was dealing with a cornered beast, and that's why the messages were so clean and proper, but this one particular message stepped into confrontational grounds in its wording. It's more of a psychological reaction on the fly than an unacceptable behavior here, the unacceptable behavior was arguably cheating for 10 years

[@PeterJavi]

@@sizalx5226 If you're that much of a cheater, just get out. You don't have to deny or admit anything, your silence will be taken as an admission of guilt and you can move on with your life. The absolute worst you can do is publicly cause a scene, whether you're guilty or not

[@ikitclaw7146]

He should of just manned up like the rest and admitted it, you can have some respect for a person like that.

[@Bloodseeker9000]

@@sizalx5226 Besides the cheating stuff, what Wirtual wrote could easily be recieved as threat. Srsly who writes to a friend like this?

[@Mantra555]

Handled like a gentleman, he sounded like a child caught red handed. Integrity matters in competition and, as good as he is, if he's cheating he needs to be called out for it.

[@lilevilsoul]

fr, Techno took it like a man

[@DriftJunkie]

Riolu is a child in a grown mans skin. I wish he would humbly admit fault, but damn... the milk has spilled...

[@birkbuscher6571]

Kinda reminds me of dream

[@casematecardinal]

@@lilevilsoul hey may have been in the wrong but at least he came out without any prompting through personal contact and did the right thing. Its somewhat refreshing considering how most famous cheaters act

[@charliewennerstrom8010]

@@DriftJunkie or maybe just explain what happened rather than going on a rant for a whole stream Edit: I just watched the actual stream and he actually does give a pretty good explanation, but he then just goes to attack W, which makes it seem he just wanted to attack him.

[@LohrrrOCE]

ngl my heart sank when I saw it was riolu who was one of the accused

[@OkeOke-zs5ju]

same

[@mattcelder]

Same. When I saw his name I thought "oh cool, they're using riolu's replays as a test to make sure it doesn't flag good runs as cheating, because we all know riolu doesn't cheat....oh.....oh wait."

[@vReLx]

I didn't expect this at all...

[@pietromazzocco145]

yeah same

[@cpt_nordbart]

It reminds of Lance Armstrong. That got really dirty... What mess. I like riolu

[@godofspacetime333]

You were extremely diplomatic in every one of those communications with him, very tactful and intelligent. I think taking to offense to the “I’d urge you to think carefully about your tone...” message was him intentionally misconstruing your meaning- the knee-jerk defensive reaction of someone who realizes they’ve been caught doing something wrong and haven’t yet figured out a way to handle it. I understood exactly what you were saying before you explained further; accusing you of blackmail was ludicrous.

[@PleiadesRuby]

Also like it isn't what blackmail means

[@ScarfmonsterWR]

It wasn't really "knee jerk". It was a measured attempt to gaslight and discredit the accuser. It actually happens a lot in politics every time any sort of public investigation is made.

[@rory8182]

@@PleiadesRuby blackmail would be "give me $X and this doesn't go public"

[@icedo1013]

Not to mention the hundreds of chat members who were clearly 100% in agreement with riolu and his responses to the content in his video. Irritated the crap outta me

[@Fyreflier]

"I’d urge you to think carefully about your tone [...] as it may just make things worse when the report comes out" does _not_ read as black mail in the slightest. It reads as someone hinting that the report will not show him in a favourable light and if his tone comes across as petulant or derogatory it may make it seem as though his statement is being made out of malice for the content of the report. In fact I would say it says a lot about Wirtual's character that he's trying to minimise the damage to riolu's career by reminding him to be magnanimous. And yeah as Rooby and Rory say: this isn't even how blackmail works. Blackmail would be Wirtual demanding something of riolu to prevent the report being published. There was no quid pro quo, just professional courtesy.

[@Virge]

Wow this is incredibly disappointing. Being new to the scene and hearing it was like 15 years old I trusted that the people who claim to be legit at the top are. Very saddening to see someone like riolu, one of the few content creators who got me interested in trackmania, end up in this list. I don’t think you’re wrong at all for what you’re doing here Wirtual.

[@Str34mingh34rt]

Virge

[@fabclippers2632]

ayyyy virge didn’t know you liked tm

[@Hashd0gg]

@@herpderp3131 no?

[@Hashd0gg]

he isnt doing that

[@HerrLehmann0xcc]

@@herpderp3131 You serious????

[@bereserik]

Idea for Wirtual’s next TM challenge. Get author medal on each track while playing at 175% game speed.

[@tymekuzarczyk6021]

this

[@Pidrittel]

So for riolu its just normal speed. :P

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

@@Pidrittel nah, it's about 10x too fast for riolu.

[@qwedge]

that would probably make e05 easier

[@qualenski5370]

@@Pidrittel no he makes the game slower

[@Outfoxed_]

People don't understand how difficult it is to talk about cheating ESPECIALLY when its someone you know who's done it. Wirtual was put in a really difficult spot by Riolu and then to add to that Riolu makes their private conversations public. Stay strong man, because doing the right thing is much harder than doing whats easy.

[@humphreywolfe]

Perfectly said

[@thef183]

Putting a private conversation on show is something that I will never ever forgive.

[@tankeater]

Dude said you are a "snitch"... to be a snitch, you have to be in on it, then had a change of heart. To find someone cheating and calling them out on it is far, FAR, from being uh snitch

[@bdhale34]

Not entirely true, a snitch is anyone who while dealing with the law either being accused of the crime itself or another crime entirely or working with them for money (yes cops pay criminals to get other people in trouble and even constantly break the laws themselves to "catch" criminals). Willingly giving up information to get someone else in trouble to get yourself either money, out of trouble or less trouble is snitching.

[@hannanah8036]

@@bdhale34 you'd have to be in on it in some way, either you're friends and they just expect you not to talk, or you're in a group somehow to get the knowledge of the crimes. Telling the cops about something you have 0 involvement in isn't snitching. Say you're robbing a story, and some random person jacks a car in the parking lot. You're both involved with each others crimes, and each expects the other to not tell. Honour among thieves and whatnot.

[@livefastdiequick]

When people say snitch they are saying it is someone who tells on people

[@nickvanrooyen3247]

​@@bdhale34 from a video I saw: "you are driving with a friend and you are pulled over by cops, your friend drops his stash of drugs between the seats. Cop find it and asks if its yours, you say no, cop asks your friend if it's his and he says no. You're about to take the rap since it's your car and you are driving. You "snitch" on your friend to prevent yourself from going to jail. It aint snitching if your friend isn't man enough to own up and was ok with you taking the fall"

[@barneybetsington7501]

Wahmen bad

[@naudiatf2791]

"I'd urge to think carefully about the tone you speak in" as he proceeds to read it in a horrible tone. Big mistake Riolu

[@TechPandaa]

Thanks! I was like "can't you hear yourself????" - It's sad that he cheated, but it is also really sad for his organisation.

[@Cyanide_Infused]

wirtual saw what was coming 10 moves ahead and he tried to warn him out of respect of their friendship

[@Cyanide_Infused]

@Floofie kun shows how much he values his trackmania rep over friendship too when you see him instantly turn on wirtual and call him a "fucktard" and whatnot....seeing this video i can't help but remember back when these guys met in ESA summer 2019 to speedrun trackmania

[@limao.jericao]

😂😂

[@taunokekkonen5733]

With all the best intentions and will in the world, I think that wasn't a very clever sentence from wirtual either. You could have said, as a friend, something like "the community will be scrutisnising your response to these claims and will examine every word, so please be deliberate in your response".

[@GolovaPomidor]

This is unbelievable.. Big respect for the "Techno" he was brave enough to admit he was cheating as soon he was caught . and such a dissapoint for Riolu who is just buried himself down with those pitiful excuses and denying everything.

[@sirkiz1181]

Technos reaction is the only acceptable one. It also shows that he has a conscience, which cannot be said gif riolu

[@cyclosarin]

I haven't even seen a reaction from Riolu at all.

[@TheKaizerD]

@@cyclosarin not sure if he deleted it but Riolu tried (poorly) to handle the situation before this video got out and called Wirtual names on livestream and Wirtual pointed it out in this video

[@nuclearbaguette6646]

Technoblade!!!

[@WinterCharmVT]

Techno at least has my respect for admitting it / owning up to it, and apologizing. Riolu, I have lost all respect for.

[@SpectreXS]

When the person accused of cheating turns to things like "this is such negativity", or even something in the line of this "human beings" argument, that only makes it more suspicious.

[@fastmadcow]

I've seen this situation to many times before in communities across gaming as a whole. It's really sad that people can't just own up to there mistakes and come clean. It just makes the situation worse for everyone.

[@MetalMike87]

Arthur Schopenhauer - The Art of Being Right It's an essay composed of 38 stratagems. The last resort, #38, is "Argumentum ad personam - Become Personal, Insulting, Rude" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@UnnamedThe]

Victimhood rallies the masses. Let's put it a bit more extreme for illustration purposes. You are in a survival camp and accuse someone of stealing food. They yell out claiming victimhood. A couple of people sympathise with them. They call you out for stirring up drama and threaten to exile you. Would you keep pursuing that person? Scale it down, rename a couple of concepts and you have this situation here. It's actually a smart move of riolu to employ this strategy. Just watch his clip in this video and look at the chat go. Fascinating how fast that goes, isn't it? Purely logically and from a chance perspective, he's doing a proper job. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone it, but we can't start seeing things through purple glasses, that will just discredit us.

[@TremereTT]

Never ever admit your past failings! The more often you lie about it the more your memories and believe about it will change, you will be convinced by your own lies. It would feel like beeing the absolute truth for you. This makes you also more convincing to others as you aren't lying at that moment anymore.

[@UnnamedThe]

@@TremereTT This attitude can turn you into the US president.

[@bradenallen1241]

"Human beings aren't being treated very nicely" "This guy's a fucktard" Yeah I'd agree

[@Spooky1611]

Class video, handled it greatly. No anger just dissapointment feelssadmen

[@Darthvvill]

Love u spooky

[@lorenzogreidanus7387]

Wist niet dat mijn child hood youtuber Trackmania keek

[@marnix-h]

Holy shit spooky1611 oude herinneringen man!

[@GamingWithPim]

Dankzij jou kocht ik simcity met een maat van me een lange tijd terug! Goeie tijden

[@danwolfe238]

I dont feel bad morons deserved it thinking no one would cheat

[@Jaras6794]

One thing I really hate is when people turn to private insults in situations like that. It's like "I'm out of arguments about what he's talking about so I'll talk trash about who he is". Dumping social relations for fake internet fame. Worst kind of ego. People like that I break all contacts with.

[@FalconProductions_]

Completely agree. On a basic psychological level, the second you start insulting your accuser, it makes me believe they're not innocent anymore

[@tommihommi1]

that was the point at which it because obvious Riolu is guilty, that stream was just sad

[@ondrejandydlohos]

Horheristo was the worst in this.

[@jakubg.9693]

I wonder what he will do now

[@LorenziusTM]

Never watching Riolu again

[@20Gero09]

It turns out that Wirtuals language and approach was justified, Riolu tried to make it seem bad out of context and basically emotionally manipulated his audience. Read the logs again now with the report out - Wirtual was giving him a heads up to come clean etc. and Riolu turned it into "my friend is blackmailing me!!!11" which it wasn't. This is also what the majority of the community think now after reading the whole report. Many were kinda turned against Wirtual by Riolus stream, but came back around after learning the truth and seeing Riolus manipulative approach to paint a picture before the report to save himself. But by doing that he only made the situation worse...

[@polyaddict]

This exactly. So well said

[@ArcanumMortis98]

Yeah.. Im quitting watching Riolus content exactly for that.

[@liborkundrat185]

I'd argue that Riolu was utterly fucked no matter what he'd do, and that him trying to smear Wirtual publicly didn't really matter at all.

[@duartemad]

@@liborkundrat185 sure made it worse... And wirtual didn't deserve to be treated like that. They were good friends.

[@Ortorin]

@@duartemad Cheating for so long would point to narcissistic/self-serving behavior. Wirtual probably wasn't Riolu's friend in Riolu's mind, just another "beneficial" relationship. To lie about his records for so long to a "friend" that he competes against? That's manipulative behavior.

[@apackofhoboes]

lol "Even if you are 101% right you will lose friends and respect from the community" That's a manipulation tactic if I ever heard one. People that play the game fairly *want* the cheaters to be found and ousted because they could potentially take their spot on a leaderboard. If you lose friends for exposing a cheater, they weren't good friends anyway.

[@leo020999]

that's heartbreaking, after seeing wirtual speaking so highly of riolu for years, i can feel the sadness in his voice here

[@picklypt]

yeah.... :(

[@alphapt9370]

Yeh, this wasnt a video Wirtual wanted to make, at all. And i'm sure if rio could prove to him, as in means of replication, that it was legit, this would just die. But it doesnt look like it, at all. It's sad to see him having to do it, but it's a good day for the community, if all records of a cheater are purged.

[@olivergupta6621]

I just watched the Grand League VODs from 2020 and Wirtual's support got me into watching Riolu. It's just a really sad situation and I hope Wirt isn't getting too much hate.

[@vincentvoncarnap]

@@olivergupta6621 I think both wirt and riolu will get much hate

[@thebinarybit6351]

The only hate Wirtual will be getting is from people who are die hard fans of the accused. Wirtual presented the report as objectively as possible, and stated his own opinions in a clear manner. (things from the report were stated to be "from the report", and his opinions were stated with "i think" or similar)

[@arctic3od450]

Riolu is my favorite content creator of all time. I've been following him for over 5 years. He's the only one I have ever subscribed to on twitch and bought merch from. This fucking breaks my heart.

[@greenstonegecko]

The worst part is that cheaters can sometimes succeed and build their lives on lies and still earn money from loyal fans

[@literalghost929]

@@greenstonegecko You think he'll be offering refunds? LOL It's even sadder to see that there are still fanboys who will continue to simp despite the overwhelming evidence that he's a cheater. Humanity is so depressing... This is a microcosm of society.

[@arctic3od450]

I will never be able to hate the guy as I've really liked him even with some of his flaws for a long time. I also don't feel like it's a scam as the content I monetarilly supported was very entertaining and even helpful to me at the time. He genuinely is and always will be one of the all time best TM players, even with a portion of his runs being cheated. But I'll never be able to look at him the same again.

[@TimViolaSSB]

@@arctic3od450 indeed, I was a big riolu fan the content he provided driven on stream was great, but that doesn’t matter at all to me when I know this person is a cheater at heart and won’t even admit the times he cheated. Today was a verry sad day for me. One of my hero’s died again, in my eyes right now he deserves everything comming for him, he shouldn’t recover from this. It’s 10years of false competing against people realy trying and feeling discouraged becuase they can’t reach riolu. Well that’s fucked up. This guy should start looking for a new job cause he doesn’t deserve his streaming and content creating career.

[@lambachurro8790]

the people who still think he hasnt cheated are just kidding themselves, and the people turning over at wirtual to send him hate are the absolute worst

[@BillyCherokee]

Hi Wirtual, i was 3rd at the DiRT World Championships myself so i'm an experienced person in this kind of behaviour. I won't take much of your time, i just wanted to tell you that i'm also a content creator, a Spanish one, so if you are interested in me translating this to my community or something, you can count on me, this is probably one of the best investigation videos i've ever seen on the platform. Thanks for this, it hurts so much, but it was necessary

[@MrHerodoto]

I support this and want to Wirtual to see this proposition.

[@cristianmartinez6499]

Tu? Aquí? Seguidor de Wirtual? Estoy en el cielo?

[@MorodinStyle]

Hola soy jugador de trackmania, aun cuando entiendo el ingles 80% seria genial si lo pudieras tener. Te apoyo!

[@MarcusH...]

post subtitles on the video

[@MrHerodoto]

@@MarcusH..., excellent idea.

[@shiranuithewolf8559]

It's so funny to me how everyone in his twitch chat is so quick to agree with him on everything, when he was lying about all of it

[@SurriSama]

And how many of those people will never even acknowledge that they bandwagoned into supporting something that's hurtful to what they claim to enjoy. People are dreadful.

[@kazukihashimoto183]

most people have 4 iq at best.

[@Meals-sh9fs]

Sadly, it's too similar to a certain politician I will not name.

[@KelmutHool]

simps gonna simp

[@fastman5662]

A lot of Twitch chats are full of parasocial weirdos

[@Zarzar22]

Wirtual being a bro and letting him know to watch what he says so he doesn't appear as the villain, and then he starts attacking Wirtual for trying to help him. Yikes. Super disappointed in this childish behavior

[@m53545]

@@foureye7058 did you not watch the video

[@janrl16]

@@foureye7058 I recommend you watching riolus latest vod.

[@Zarzar22]

@@foureye7058 It's in the video dude

[@mr.memmer8097]

@@Zarzar22 It's out of context... just watch the riolu's stream, then read the report and make up your opinion

[@JayyyCloud]

@@mr.memmer8097 except it is not out of context, riolu was just a childish person in this instance

[@sjcodan]

"Felt he needed to do it to keep up with Riolu" Well, he wasn't exactly wrong 😂

[@Ero_no_Kami]

sad thing is he knew Riolu was cheating but had no way of proving or any evidence against it...so then once it became too much getting crushed by an unfair advantage he then decided to take 'if he can't beat them join them' approach. if he had tried to expose Riolu at that time he would have faced severe backlash just like Wirtual did before the posting evidence form. I just wish they resolve this issue peacefully without anything being broken apart

[@venunathan3680]

ya.......im wondering how he found out riolu was cheating..........or was it a hunch

[@ano_nym]

@@venunathan3680 no idea what actually happened, so this is just a theory. But perhaps they were on a very similar level at first, then suddenly the other dude started crushing him totally, leading him to believe that something was shady.

[@xyetian]

@@ano_nym riolu got accused of slowmo in 2015 by Sunspinx on TMX United, and Lanz grew some interest in that after reading about it for the first time. He wrote this some days ago in a public confession.

[@venunathan3680]

@@ano_nym thanks, that could be a possibility. But at 8:57, techno says "tried to beat him with his own methods", as if he knew exactly what riolu was doing, slowing down the game.

[@guyavn5504]

Man, riolu was Wirtual's waifu for so long. when casting tournaments, you could hear straight up adoration for riolu in wirtual's voice. this must hurt so much.

[@r3snaadille]

I think all the respect for him is gone, so...

[@gui1521]

Yeah, to be the one who has to expose his friend and idol, and being called a "fucktard" by him in front of thousands of viewers for doing so... Wirtual's really brave and set an example for integrity in gaming.

[@ast5515]

@@gui1521 Not just in gaming tbh. If he is willing to do this in game, that says a lot about him as a person. I generally don't have a lot of faith in humanity and it felt good seeing that Wirtual is committed to the truth.

[@pablogutierrez5767]

I know, I knew they were friends and this was honestly pretty sad to watch

[@gui1521]

@@ast5515 I know what you mean, we're in the "post-truth era" after all... Speaking the truth is becoming a political choice.

[@P9nda]

I have never played this game, yet I enjoyed this video so much

[@pdrohberg]

It's really fun, you should give it a try. The newest version is free on Ubisoft (not all features are free, but you can do a lot)

[@kiri2863]

Lol monke

[@rixco5811]

me too haha. I don't now why i watch these video's, i don"t know this game

[@christfigure]

Lmao I was just watching your vids even though I don't play unturned. My life sucks

[@GoryBark]

Didn’t expect to see you here p9!

[@Delvokian]

Literally the clip of him acting like a child on livestream is enough to convince me he cheated. Cheaters always get defensive and make an ass of themselves. Like how is warning him about how his tone in the conversation will effect public perception of the case blackmail? That literally makes no sense.

[@red3y3z]

Riolu "Treat people with respect" Riolu "Wirtual is a fucktard"

[@timposchl566]

Of course you should think about that, but for real: The way Wirtual phrased this message isn't good at all.

[@Gamesaucer]

​@@timposchl566 I don't see the issue. Certainly "I urge you to think carefully about the tone you speak in" isn't the nicest thing to say, but this isn't friendly banter between buddies. This is a serious conversation about a serious topic with serious implications. Certainly you _can_ read nefarious intent into it, but it's not Wirtual's responsibility (nor should it be) to ensure that his words can in no way be taken out of context. That's an impossible task. As a whole, it reads about as transparently and professionally as you can reasonably expect something as unpleasant as this to be, and telling someone to consider carefully how they respond to a matter of this magnitude is just sound advice, and especially with the prospect of tens of thousands of viewers getting dragged into a drama-storm, the urgency of the message isn't misplaced whatsoever.

[@elinal9985]

@@timposchl566 That's what Wirtual said himself too

@@timposchl566 so what? It has nothing to do with anything.

[@aidan2048]

Big ups to techno for admiting to it and trying to help out with the investigation. It takes a real person to do that.

[@syed2187]

ya i don't even blame people for cheating in a game to a certain degree because i'd do the same in some situations if im very desperate. But if you are being called out for it u shouldn't just go on the offence and call people dumb for saying that u cheated just like this riolu case.

[@kimax8621]

@@syed2187 Or you can just play legitimately in the first place

[@syed2187]

@@kimax8621 it isnt always that simple

[@kimax8621]

@@syed2187 Its actually pretty simple to decide to speedrun a game without cheating

[@NFCloud]

@@kimax8621 It's human nature my guy, speak for yourself. Other people can't fight that urge as well as most.

[@BDI3050]

Claiming that Wirtual betrayed his friend with this, but not seeing that riolu has been betraying him ever since they met, regarding their mutual passion, it’s just dumb. I always loved this game, even though I only recently came to find the people I looked up in game back then, as content creators. This was extremely disappointing to hear and watch, but necessary. Keep up the great work for the community!

[@uhhguy]

Finding out a friend hides something from you is always tough. It is a betrayal that destroys the trust they built with you. Once had a work friend that turned into a really good friend. Great guy, good conversations, and we helped eachother overcome our anxieties. We finally played some games over voice chat once he got a computer able to run PUBG, at the height of it's NA popularity. He was such a sweet, caring, and thoughtful guy. But when we got into games he was the foulest person I'd ever heard. Abuse, threats, and bullying our teammates. I can deal with game rage, or teammates not playing optimally. Angry banter and some light toxicity is not what happened. He went so far into it that I couldn't see him as he was anymore. Saying things that made me re-evaluate who I had gotten to know. He tried to walk back things he said as it wasn't real, he's just joking. Neither of us were laughing anymore. Being authentic is imperative to being one's best self.

[@PippetWhippet]

@suggy Exactly right. I also had a really good friend who was a game dev and went on and on about how he hated piracy and pirates. I used to pirate music as a teenager but this was in our late 20’s so I bought all my games. Then I discovered he pirated literally everything, and printed out fake boxes professionally just to hide what he did, he literally spent more on the printing than some of his dvds cost. Of course he tried to gaslight me by pretending he had never been against piracy, but we were just done and drifted apart after that. I don’t know why he was so weird about it, both being so vocally against something he was doing habitually and completely without prompting, and then denying he had been against it. I can only assume it was some form of self hatred, maybe an element of depression. It’s such a shame but that loss of trust was something I just couldn’t get over. I later found out he was really abusive to a girlfriend too - mentally, not physically to the point where she was so damaged that she was scared to leave the house, and that made me really sad.

[@claymeistereu]

Shoutouts to donadigo, for being the technical backbone of the trackmania community. Polish mountain!

[@MarsJenkar]

Props for his integrity as well. Not everyone who stumbled upon something like this would be willing to get an investigation started on this sort of thing, knowing that it was likely to blow up and become a big thing. But he did, and I think the TrackMania community has become a better place for it.

[@ProjectHumanFAIL]

Thousands of Players tried to beat his 'Records', putting many many Hours into it. He didn't cheat the Leaderboards, he cheated all these Players, the TM Community, for all these Years. 😐

[@Piebro6]

@@herpderp3131 actually braindead lmao. It's so clear riolu cheated. Doesn't matter who found it out. You are just as bad as a dream stan.

[@ShinyMew76]

@@Piebro6 Exactly

[@shade0636]

@@herpderp3131 Doesn't matter who exposed riolu for cheating.

[@Smackerol]

@@shade0636 what did they say? i keep seeing replies for that person but it looks like they deleted their comments

[@agoodbrownie7760]

This make me appreciate racehans so much more, what a god.

[@anurag4813]

I appreciate the players like Techno, admitting and apologizing for this.

[@nielskorpel8860]

It is THE way to regain your credibility deservedly,... along with ceasing to cheat of course, inclusive.

[@anurag4813]

@@nielskorpel8860 absolutely!

[@xinicity]

@UC9VIQmB7r5uUaA8ZD8iCMaA no its just some guy called techno in the tm community

[@michaelstudeny8848]

It's kinda bittersweet really, but yes, it is what Riolu should have done aswell, especially with one of the largest fanbases in the TM community. Props to those who confessed. Had to be a tough pill to swallow, but cheating on records is a real dick move.

[@BananenBoerBob]

That took some serious maturity from his part. Never heard of the man before this video but a way better way to handle this than deny everything and hope the evidence doesn't stick. The only weird part about his statement is that he said he cheated to beat the other guy using his methods. That'd mean he knew of the cheating and how it was being done years before anyone else. Wonder how he found that out or if he just assumed he must've been cheating and did the same

[@thomasgortemaker]

I hate that riolu reacted in the way he did, if he would have just confessed I wouldn't be as disgusted as I feel now

[@mattcelder]

If only someone urged him to think carefully about the tone he spoke in, as it's just made things worse for him since the report came out.

[@BarbitosLaSooS]

@@mattcelder It's sad nobody did this, a good friend could have warned him about it to ensure the report doesn't end up being a shitstorm (also on a more serious note, imo Wirtual did a good job at not making this become a shitstorm, gg for that)

[@pierrotA]

The problem is that most fans are so brind-washed, their would thrust their favorite player against all odds. It's like Dream. He clearly cheat and react with the same violence, but he still do millions of views. Most fans blindly refuse any accusation, it's sad but true.

[@alpin2k7]

Thats pretty much how all cheater react no matter what game. Its just the nature of a cheater. Pretend to not cheat, make it look as legit as possible.

[@thomasgortemaker]

@@alpin2k7 I think that's unfair to say, there were multiple players wirtual pointed out, that had confessed that they had been cheating without much trouble.

[@MAYBEMAYNOTBE2]

Hours I spent playing Trackmania : ZERO Hours I spent watching videos about Trackmania speed running : MANY

[@TheGaming100]

same

[@trongnghiachu1977]

Same here.

[@litlsnekxd]

The saddest part is seeing his chat just laughing at your message while the streamer they're watching is lying to their faces about cheating in a game he plays proffesionally...

[@gavinander464]

yeah but i mean thats how stream chats are, like a bus full of screaming school kids, half of them probably didnt laugh like that anymore once the report came out

[@---dy5ux]

@@gavinander464 it's very easy to judge now that all the facts are out. when riolu streamed it was the first time that this cheating investigation came up and he led his viewers to believe that wirtual was accusing him over a replay from 10 years ago with no proof. He also left out part of the last message that clarifies wirtual's intentions. it's easy to manipulate people when you are the only one putting out information.

[@gavinander464]

@@---dy5ux dude. when i cheat, for over 10 years, and someone accuses me privately about it, THE LAST THING i would do is open that shit on stream and shittalk the guy who accuses me. You guys are acting like this was a shock for riolu and how hard it must be for him, but who, please tell me who builds up a career that is completely based on one game and then decides to cheat in it??? in a community where people spend 30 hours on a track stuff like that is bound to come out. this is the dream scenario all over again

[@---dy5ux]

@@gavinander464 chill out and read again my message, what are you even talking about? I just pointed out why the chat was reacting that way. All evidence, now that the report is out, points against riolu. When he streamed we knew nothing and it all came as a big surprise because we trusted him. He will face appropriate consequences, the community doesn't need people spreading random hate.

[@gavinander464]

@@---dy5ux sorry, confused your reply with someone else's

[@UnlovedZetsu]

I respect other players like Techno for coming up front and admitting that they've cheated. Unlike riolu.

[@CoNteMpTone]

They only came forth once the investigation was going and public. Its called "damage control."

[@balthazarskateur8690]

easier to admit it when you dont live from your community. I think he's just too afraid of the concequences it could bring. I'll still watch him on twitch he's a rly good player anyway so..

[@flipflappoo7571]

@@CoNteMpTone atleast they admitted when the time they got caught... Not like that speedruner that got caught cheating, denied it, hire a professor when it obvious that he's cheating, and only admitted it months later

[@SheagleArk]

@@flipflappoo7571 and feigned his not knowing his files were modified.

[@vectorthehop3945]

So I just got to this video from another one of Wirtual's videos, I know nothing about TM, but i've been thinking this to myself: what if Donadigo hadn't discovered the inputs stored in replays and thus delayed the investigation by one to two years, and Riolu had decided to stop cheating when the investigation was supposed to take place? When the investigation takes place and finds Riolu's cheated records from years prior but he's gone clean since, so the cheated records arent new by now? food for thought thinking about how everyone would have reacted here, if riolu was now clean in 2022/2023 but the 10 years of cheating still existed. i hope i worded this clearly

[@Bismuth9]

I played a whole lot of Sunrise, United and TM² Canyon. I used multiple of the replays featured in this video as benchmarks. I looked up to riolu for a decade. I was so disappointed when I found out. He was so good at the game, it seemed too good to be true - and it was.

[@panthermonium3845]

he's definitely one of the best players in TM2020 and was one of the best in TM2S when that was the standard, but it's super disappointing to see that his NF records were cheated and even more disappointing to see that he didn't admit to it. it wouldn't have killed his career to have admitted cheating and then continued playing TM2020 professionally.

[@fuce8930]

Bro watch his VOD, maybe he didn‘t ...

[@KeysLockhart]

@@fuce8930 don't go there, there is no redemption for Riolu if he denies this and you aren't helping the situation by believing his lies.

[@fuce8930]

@@KeysLockhart dang dude, i didn‘t watch the whole video when i commented. I take it back, rioulu cheated, sad ...

[@Djuncle]

He is very good at the game though. He plays really well during the live tournaments. It's a shame and a waste that he cheated. Such a shame.

[@Zeronightmarefox]

It's uncanny how egotistical cheaters always behave the same way. Deny everything, cheap excuses, attack the person but not the facts, and even hide facts or manipulate them. It's disgusting. It's pitiful. It's the lowest of the low. Pathetic.

[@thetimebinder]

Oh, so Dream.

[@dorriankarnett]

I learned about riolu from you a couple of weeks ago. I started watching his videos and even falling asleep under some, as they are quite long. Sad situation :(

[@ElSenorEls]

Same. FeelsSadMan

[@illiavovchenko]

Same shit (

[@stajger832]

Same.

[@iNexisReal]

exactly same

[@N0rD1ck]

Same with me, now i lost all respect for Riolu cause of his reply to all of this

[@JFTN123]

Get ready for the classic guilty defense: - I had no bad intentions I’m a good person - Others do it as well or they do worse - The people accusing me are not perfect either

[@achannel9598]

Apologising but not apologising at the same time lol

[@D4rw1N]

His defense might just be to never admit, kinda like a certain popular Minecraft runner never did

[@jakobboers5067]

@@D4rw1N that one really bugs me because his fans defend him in the face of overwhelming evidence

[@paddyator]

@@D4rw1N I still watch dream even thought I am 100% certain that he did it. The question is why did he do it? In my opinion for his channel and it worked out as you can see. His speedruns were just supplementary to his manhunt vids but because of all that controversy around, did he do it or not?, more people flocked to his channel and then started watching his manhunt vids as well and you have to admit that they are good. Do I find it shity sure thing and I wish i would see an apology video but he makes great content in my opinion but riolu I never liked his content even tough I am German as well. There is also the unfairness if you want to address it why people are okay with dream cheating and not with riolu because riolus fame and livelihood depends solely on wr but dreams mostly on manhunt. I didn’t even know that dream did speedruns tbh until that shit came out (and yeah he is a dick for suppressing smaller mc speedrun streamers because we want to watch the best and dream “is” the best with cheats) but riolu solely dependent on his recognition trough his track mania wr (okay few probably trough cotd)

[@God-gi9iu]

Yup

[@MaveRick01]

This is like a guy being betrayed by his friend. It feels like a movie, but it's real life. These guys did a full trackmania speedrun together for a good cause, so this breaks my heart even more than it already is. Wirtual, stay cool my dude, you are an amazing guy.

[@robertfox4114]

Started noticing(like few months ago) that Riolu is “little” savage and can get mad at random things viewers say and start insulting then afterwards.

[@djzanis5220]

Isn’t it more wirtual betraying riolu? The way he went about it..

[@DerAlbi]

@@djzanis5220 ??How. Wirtual contacted Riolu to give a chance to come clean on his own. Riolu conitnued the BS.. that was his decision... How is it betrayal if you get called out for the truth?? Someone had to do it. This was the most professional way

[@luck9525]

@@djzanis5220 haaa if wirtual have not caught him somebody will.

[@petrri323]

Btw. Not blackmail. It would be blackmail if you were using the report to get something out of riolu beyond an admission, like money to make the report go away or be less damaging. Just telling him to watch himself because the report is what it is, that’s not blackmail.

[@s_bt_iwtf]

"Don't do anything you'll regret." "STOP BLACKMAILING ME!" Amazing video. Completely wrong for people to shit on you for going after cheaters.

[@starsgold1066]

ngl riolu is kinda sus.

[@zhewaxen3047]

While riolu's reaction was really bad, Wirtual himself also admitted that his message was worded poorly

[@LockCard]

@@zhewaxen3047 tho it was worded poorly, no where in the msg did it say that he was going to blackmail him. and the reaction and showing the msg on stream was in vary poor taste. no matter how i can look at this riolu needs to be banned, if not for his cheating then for how he treated his fellow players and not coming forward when he was given the chance.

[@ggez3933]

@@zhewaxen3047 it really wasn't even, that was pretty good advice. I really can't comprehend how someone could take that as blackmail though

[@alexbraunstein5691]

@@ggez3933 I agree that it was worded poorly because “don’t do anything you will regret” Is a classic way of saying “stay in your lane or I will do something to you” even though wirtual meant it literally as in “don’t say or do something that you will actually regret, I won’t do anything to you”

[@UnnamedThe]

Next video by Wirtual after the hiatus: Can you beat Trackmania Nations Forever WITHOUT Cheating?

[@ClassicMiddleton]

How I ACCIDENTALLY beat Trackmania Nations Forever without cheating, and got away with it!

[@blessedkarl5764]

"Can you beat trackmania in 140% speed?"

[@daemonsoadfan]

@@blessedkarl5764 Omg yes, it would be great actually

[@FOWST]

@@blessedkarl5764 loool

[@FOWST]

@@blessedkarl5764 200%

[@MrJasonwong1010]

For those in twitch chat: Its not your fault for being manipulated, but when you try to attack someone personally because your favourite streamer said something bad about him/her, please think again. Keep in mind that Karl Jobst didnt comment/point fingers on the Dream situation until dream responded to give dream a chance to prove his innocence. Dont jump to conclusion without knowing the full picture.

[@edwardv1255]

I see RollinTM writing in Riolu's chat @13:54 : "EVERYONE STOP, YOU DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON". So weird to see that one sane voice (who, I believe, actually knew what was going on) in the middle of the mob. Shame most people didn't listen to him.

[@lesto12321]

@@edwardv1255 must have felt super frustrating looking at the mob and be powerless

[@Bagyodzl]

@@edwardv1255 had to watch it at 25% speed to see the rollin comment ;)

[@MrUnholyMaggot]

happens so much, no matter what its over. people are psychotic

[@BrunoBarcelosAlves]

@@Bagyodzl As long as you're watching in slowmo and not playing in slowmo, it's alright haha

[@Xerclipse]

If you catch the sign in 16:02 it says “You can’t cheat physics” Riolu passed that sign one day and said “Challenge accepted!”

[@piotrwojtkowski6756]

The saddest part is that riolu won't act like techno and others which is man up and say sorry but he desperately tries to deny the fact that he cheated. I really liked this guy what a shame.

[@DanielGonzalezL]

Yeah he's pulling a Dream

[@TimViolaSSB]

Indeed, I’m so disappointed...

[@The_Viktor_Reznov]

The funniest thing is that Techno and the rest will fly under the radar now because Riolu will take the biggest hit

[@TheMarcoboricio]

probably because he has more recent runs that are under investigation, more to loose if he admits to it.

[@lorddenti]

@@TheMarcoboricio That may be part of it, but I think there is a much simpler explanation too, which is mentioned by wirtual in this video as well: Riolu has done this so long and so hard he actually managed to lie to himself. Reading his tweets about records it sounds like he really believes he deserved those. And probably he did work really hard for them, but also he convinced himself cheating was okay. Like some other cheater in the video said: If (you think) everyone else cheats, it becomes okay for you to do it as well. What's happening now is that the whole construct of lies is collapsing to which denial is a kind of natural first reaction. I mean, this mans career is based on this. I don't want to defend cheating or this kind of behavior, I'm just giving my theories on possible motives.

[@Jujuoak]

Riolu trashtalking on stream seemed like a last ditch effort to make sure people would stay on his side once he got exposed

[@toofarkinaustralian7175]

@@herpderp3131 So you're just going to throw hate on someone because they did the right thing to do when they found out a friend was cheating? Good one.

[@Jujuoak]

@@herpderp3131 I’m not sure what your point is tbh

[@ElicatrothTV]

Always good fun watching Twitch Chat just agree with the streamer with all caps and angry words x.x

[@Jujuoak]

@@ElicatrothTV they were manipulated into thinking Wirtual was the bad guy, they had no other context to go off of. But yes haha

[@prize9550]

sounds so much like dream's case

[@mrrhombus716]

Riolu is the guy that beat Mufattm, so he obviously had the skill irl, just proves that even the best cheat, literally nobody is immune to the cancer.

[@kjelliWWW]

TRUE hahaha love this commentr thanks for wrtitng man!

[@dyvthegamer5067]

its a question of character, tbh

[@manuelgogeissl]

riolu could not beat my time on UL4 Untamable (map from United League 4 in 2008) in TMUF and then startet cheating

[@username2748]

As Karl once said “great players are more likely to cheat than the average player, as they already have the skill it takes, but constantly falling short despite knowing you have the skill can drive one to cheat” I’m paraphrasing but you get what I mean

[@sleepy2065]

@@username2748 also to add another quote from him "speedrunners/pro players are more likely to get away with cheating because they know the game better than the average player and as such know what would be a giveaway"

[@meatballg8655]

Riolu really did dig himself the biggest of holes. I come back to this video 2 years later and the sheer nerve of this man to decide before the report came out, instead of accepting that he got caught and attempting to salvage what he had left of his credibility, decided his best course of action was to slander the hell out of wirtual in an attempt to take him down with him, and then he just vanished forever. Acting as the classic french stereotype, he acted tough all the way up until the moment that reality hit him, and he surrendered.

[@eroticspartan9600]

He really cemented his legacy as a cheater by not owning up to it. One of the GTA chaos mods, the slow-mo effect is called Riolu Mode - his legacy is now spanning across game franchises fanbases, though probably not in the way that he wished for.

[@chiragdeshmukh325]

More than us, imagine how disappointed Wirtual must have felt.

[@doctorjawline7608]

Is he crying under his blanket? LUL

[@XBorlaugX]

@@doctorjawline7608 ?

[@ByMyslf1]

@@doctorjawline7608 what are you talking lol

[@senuashie]

Confused normans, oh no no no PepeLaugh

[@pinty2109]

He sounded like he was about to cry that whole time

[@Hlebuw3k]

"I find all forms of cheating to be absolutely appalling. Those who cheat play only for their own game, with complete disregard for the effort and feeling of those who are competing fairly, and they ruin the spirit of the competition for everyone. And i believe that cheaters rightfully deserve to get called out on their actions when caught, no matter if they are a content creator or not. And if they are a content creator, then perhaps they should have thought better of starting a career on top of such shaky ground." Outstanding quote

[@IstasPumaNevada]

I agree.

[@silverreaps6803]

Thank you for the wisdom Zhongli

[@macd3346]

That goes for real life too man. Agreed

[@Hlebuw3k]

@@silverreaps6803 you thought i was zhongli.. BUT IT WAS I, DIO THE LOCAL MCDONALD'S WORKER

[@tryAGAIN87]

It is surreal to see this near 6 months down the line and notice Riolu has disappeared from much of what he does. If he had listened and treated the situation with some tact, it may have changed the landscape and become a thing about improving competitive compliance. Instead he made it a shit show and it featured only himself. Meanwhile, everyone else has moved on and the trackmania scene is bigger than it ever has been :]

[@aquilleswinkler5051]

its almost like he was holding everyone back from getting in!

[@spencerthompson3502]

What is he doing now I’m lit just curious I hate the way he cheated and wanna know if he still plays etc but cba to give him the time or views

[@tryAGAIN87]

@@spencerthompson3502 Honestly haven't the foggiest. We're in the same boat. I am curious, but can't be bothered checking.

[@gustavrsh]

I guess he lost his sponsors immediately, and came back to real life

[@notorioezz]

@@spencerthompson3502 Apparantly he commited suicide over this.

[@crazymudman123]

I can’t get over how when narcissists are called out for cheating they throw you under the bus and play the victim. Such awful behavior and I’m so glad he disappeared from the scene after his terrible response. Good riddance.

[@alakepj9628]

Cant believe that even after you tried to help him and you were friends as soon as you brought it up he turned on you just like that.

[@Ortorin]

Cheating for so long would point to narcissistic/self-serving behavior. Wirtual probably wasn't Riolu's friend in Riolu's mind, just another "beneficial" relationship. To lie about his records for so long to a "friend" that he competes against? That's manipulative behavior.

[@alakepj9628]

@@Ortorin yeah it’s just sad

[@birkbuscher6571]

@@Ortorin i wouldnt think so. Personally i think if there are things you cant admit even to yourself it doesnt matter how close you stand towards someone, i wouldnt be able to admit it to them.

[@EFreD-ed4ds]

@@Ortorin "Cheating for so long would point to narcissistic/self-serving behavior." That right there. On the nose.

[@IroAppe]

Yes we shouldn’t be too quick with that narcissism. I think he is a man with his back to a wall, and his actions are purely out of fear, cheating for so long and having so much that he is not able to admit it. It‘s irrationality at its best, we have seen it so many times. I think what we all hope for is, that he will be able to overcome that phase and able to admit what he has done, with a public apology. Maybe, maybe then he can continue to at least stream - and only times that are on video will be counted from him?

[@ClemensAlive]

God damn... I really like Riolu as a person. It's too sad to hear that. The bad part about cheating is, that it shows deep hidden character traits.

[@blacklupus]

You like him as a person? He was the most bland TM Streamer of them all. Never understood why people would watch his stream. But he was "The Best". That was the only thing he had going for him. His records.

[@simonarens5890]

Das ist echt nicht der Ort an dem ich erwartet hab deinem Channel nochmal über den Weg zu laufen....

[@Hexalyse]

Well, you can be a cheater and a really good and nice person outside of this fact. Those are not mutually exclusive things. Competition takes a different toll on everybody, and a weird one on some people. I don't know him, never played Trackmania (but weirdly I love Wirtual videos for the cool summary of how things evolved in this community and ways people discover shortcuts, beat records etc), but I would find it weird if someone reacted like "Oh shit I was friend with him but if he cheated I would see him as the worst person even". You can be super angry at him for cheating, not understanding the motivations, but it doesn't change who the person is on other matters and sujects than TM. Anyway, yeah, cheating when you're already that good... is a bit of a shitty move. Why risk it for such a small bonus? If I understood correctly, he was already good enough in a legit way to get multiple WRs.

[@blacklupus]

@@Hexalyse Without all those records he would have been just another Top 20/Top 30 player with a few records. But he needed to be The Best Player In The World to become the biggest Twitch Streamer and get those juicy subscriptions. Otherwise he would have been nothing more than an awkward dude with a weird german accent and zero personality. And he knew it.

[@birkbuscher6571]

@@simonarens5890 yo hes is everywhere (not even kidding)

[@Zzzlol94]

"Who cares about the records?" Apparently Riolu cared enough to cheat to get the records, so I'd say he cares a lot about the records.

[@emojack]

Thats always a big red flag. if someone whos livelihood is based on setting records/winning comps etc sais "who cares about records/wins/ect" - you know they are trying to divert the conversation away from the subject.

[@Kaczula31]

He's like a girl who blames you for catching her cheating

[@rodabanane]

@@Kaczula31 ?

[@johnnykiotis5996]

If you go look at his twitter page, the pinned tweet is him celebrating 200 records in Trackmania Turbo...

[@oscarrickyh02]

@@emojack well said, if someone plays enormous amount of hours at one game to get better at it (in his case, to be on top) then you care about your records

[@TheMANuel2595]

This video made me mad invested (for its duration at least) in a topic I didnt know anything about or care for. I have to compliment your incredible integrity and throughness and the ability to tell a story :)

[@shawnpitman876]

I love how he thought "my livelyhood is at stake" was a good reason to essentially just let him get away with cheating. These narcissists think they shouldn't be punished for using cheating to get ahead.

[@kais2345]

Exactly, appeals to empathy to get ahead are the narcissists' bread and butter

[@Bendwow]

Typical mindset of a cheater/criminal 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@allanshpeley4284]

Can you imagine if a bank robber used that argument in front of a judge.

[@iami3rian394]

I hate that argument. "My livelihood." Oh boo hoo. Get a job like the rest of us. In my opinion, people who donated should be able to sue for reimbursement. The were mislead, and gave money to a streamer that doesn't actually exist... i.e. riolu the "best" trackmania player.

[@metacob]

You see this every time someone is guilty of cheating, corruption, anything: They immediately start attacking the accusers instead of attacking the argument. The more damning the evidence, the harsher the tone. I don't know if they realize this, but at that point they are only talking to their most hardcore fans, because everyone else has given them up already.

[@GRAYgauss]

It happens so much it's almost like they need to give it a name, how about Argumentum Ad Hominem? It could be like, I dunno, a special form of diverting the situation... We could call that, Straw manning? Lol, sorry.

[@_hrzn]

@@GRAYgauss Argumentum ad hominum sounds like a harry potter spell lmao

[@VitaeLibra]

@@_hrzn most latin does tbh... Wait a mi-

[@_hrzn]

@@VitaeLibra but do you have a suggestion on what its called? I honestly dont know

[@AlecAhearn]

@@_hrzn Latin for 'argument to the person'

[@joshanatorr2119]

Babe wake up, new trackmania lore

[@thelaw11]

Babe wake up , 20 minutes of Wirtual content

[@ItsRosstoo]

Babe wake up, Good youtube content

[@AigisSSBM]

Can't wait for the riolu redemption arc

[@nickramirez883]

@Swellest watch the video. He was cheating

[@sueyside-l3063]

@@AigisSSBM He needs to grow up and evolve. A Lucario would never do these things.

[@realNom2mooncow]

The thorough-ness and serious tone of this video set it apart from most other videogame cheating videos. It is super interesting how deep you guys dug for all of this information, and the weight you gave this video made it much better, imo.

[@raid.leader]

I just feel bad for those people in Riolu's chat shit talking Wirtual and making jokes. They really believed in him, and I can only imagine that they felt the most betrayed when this all came out.

[@masterslayerable]

Yeah at the time I was one of those people. Then I slept on it and was like well, lets wait until we hear both sides of the story before making up our mind. Glad I held back. Because after this to me it seems 99.99% certain at this point what happened.

[@cheatman05]

The thing that I think drove most people against Wirtual is that Riolu took things out of context and only showed a very old run with interesting inputs, which I'm sure did raise suspicion in most of the viewers. But they (including me) believed that Wirtual made an unnecessary big thing about one or two cheated replays that were old and not even WRs. As it turns out, this wasn't the case, at all.

[@freeman9586]

@@masterslayerable to be honest, lets still hear both sides. Riolu only had made a short stream about it, he has a right to react to this concrete accusation and the full report.

[@iDeLaYeD_o]

@@freeman9586 Except last time a full report and long investigation was done on a speedrunner and they reacted the same way it didn't end up all rainbows and sunshine for them. Atleast when it comes to respect within the community and some friends.

[@adsdown2342]

i still like riolu

[@Qscoom]

Must have been tough investigating against a friend. Hope everyone involved is doing fine

[@JPxKillz]

Fine now... once this video hits 1mil idk how fine it'll be. Riolu will have to apologize or double down, won't be good.

[@youdonegoofed]

What's worse is him showing DMs live on stream, and calling his friend a fucktard when he knows he's caught. Guy is a sociopath.

[@Basb04]

As someone who just started watching trackmania and unbiased. He aint no friend if he talks like this to wirtual

[@sentientspaghetti1898]

As a neutral viewer The moment to start insulting your accuser and you don’t even have a proper argument , you’re a cheater

[@dmarsub]

@@youdonegoofed resolving cognitive dissonance that way is very common and doesn't say you are a sociopath. Dillusional about this situation and not accepting the consequences of your actions, yes. But it is pretty common sadly.

[@_remblanc]

Holy shit did Riolu bury himself with that response. Not an iota of respect left for him anymore and I could've forgiven him if he just owned up to it. Unbelievable.

[@redholm]

Yea. It's almost like he should have taken Wirual's suggestion. These replies almost never ends up looking good. Especially when it seems very likely he did cheat. Him just coming out and admitting it or handling it in private would have turned out so much better for him.

[@inthefade]

@@redholm Honestly, from what I've seen, if he had nothing to hide he would not have responded this way. Just my opinion.

[@redholm]

@@inthefade Most probably. If he had nothing to hide why would he not simply send the Recorded games folder. If he had nothing to hide he would keep it between him and Wirtual. Because if not for his Stream I'm pretty sure no one would know from the 17th of May on wards until now. Just so many things I don't see many places other than a cheater over reacting to try and hide it or deflect it off himself to someone else.

[@emojack]

Unfortunately thats the case with cheaters too offen. I think if you get away with it so long, you just cant get your head around to the fact its over. Here its especially painful to see bc riolu and wirtual used to be that close. Most of the times the investigators and the cheaters dont have that much connection. I feel so sorry for wirtual for looaing a good friend just by doing the right thing.

[@happy_labs]

@@redholm Double down on the lies and attack your accusers. It's pathological liar 101. It's unfortunately a strategy that works too often. See: recent former president. I'm glad the TM community is smart enough to see through such obvious BS though.

[@Boyso5407]

So not only is he a proven cheater but now we know he doesn’t know the definition of blackmail either

[@andihmpf]

Wirtual really is bringing the TM Community forwards in several ways

[@knightbot23]

@@herpderp3131 and that karma would be good karma because he makes amazing TM content

[@alisioardiona727]

Riolu doesn't even have an argument about how he could have achieved these runs legitimately. Yet he doesn't want to admit he cheated. He even goes after his ''friend'' saying he blackmails him. I have no respect for Riolu anymore.

[@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am]

14:13 Riolu has no right speaking about him and Wirtual having been friends after unironically calling Wirtual "a fu****rd", because he got called out Neither does anybody supporting him.

[@forsaken4467]

Where do you see that ?

[@BF_Halo]

@@forsaken4467 He says it

[@gregorniven7919]

@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am I'm pretty sure he was calling his dad that not wirtual, but idk

[@disorder1111]

He says that he doesn't know why the inputs look like that, which I think is fair (or would be if he wasn't lying). Let's say that you are legit and your inputs look strange for whatever reason, you probably could not really give an explanation as to why they are like that if you feel like you are playing completely normally. Not saying he didn't cheat, I'm 95% sure he did and knows exactly why his inputs were like that, but I think it would be likely that an innocent man would not know the reason either.

[@Zionicle]

Man to see that from riolu makes me so sad. He’s the player who truly made me want to start playing TM and record hunting, and I always hoped that I could catch some of his times one day

[@kNiceTM]

Just get CheatEngine

[@WanuLopes]

He is a tmgl player, he has done several records without cheating... But he had a problem with that, just no one helped him, i think the community must only ask for a sorry video from him and continue looking foward! It is a shame that that happened but life never stops, his "friend" should have helped him deal with this but just made it worse...

[@20Gero09]

And the worst part is: he doesn't NEED to cheat, he is insanely skilled as a player and would have gotten there anyway. He just didn't like the grind/ got frustrated/took a shortcut whatever, but that doesn't really make it better. The dishonesty is still there...

[@piknos3381]

@@WanuLopes he asked if he wanted to deal with it in private, if he cant understand that hes already a lost cause

[@YUSIMUSI]

@@WanuLopes I understand that u do stand with him as he has encouraged many players around but what in the WORLD do u mean by "just no one helped him". Bro theres always a solution to a problem which Riolu didnt even try going with. He cudve went with showing his real skills in all the records rather than using a cheat engine in sum of the records. Hes got to realise cheating wont always help in his career. thx :)

[@Zudexa]

Nearly 2 years later and riolu still silent. Massive L+Ratio

[@JesterFlemming]

What could he even say? Nobody wants an apology and see him playing again.

[@HenryFromWob]

I don't understand how people can seriously assign you the role of the "villain" in this whole story. If someone shows his real character here it's clearly Riolu who not only shows private conversations without your consent but also insults you publicly when you just want to help him come clear about his mistakes. And frankly, if someone can't live up to your standards in terms of integrity and sincerity, it's difficult to call such a person a friend anyway, as he demands something from you that you can't arrange with your own conscience. So from my point of view, you acted 100% correctly, while Riolu behaved like a child denying the facts he himself created.

[@1UcMeOnce1]

Well said. Honestly Riolu going live to publicly attack Wirtual's character is the typical kind of lashing out you would expect from someone who got caught red handed. I used to be pretty into another racing game where similar drama would come and go (where people using slowmotion was also an issue) and I've seen it happen time and time again. The type of character that can cheat and lie about it to the community for a prolonged time is exactly the type of person to shift the blame to anyone but themselves when it does get out. Therefore huge props to the other racers that were mentioned in the video that came clean about their use of slowmo.

[@zinzyk]

The only people I'm aware of that thought of wirtual as the villian was Riolus twitch chat, and understandably so. Riolus reputation was excellent and he was (is?) considered one of the best players. When wirtual asks him to come clean and basically threaten to expose him, Riolu and his twitch chat was in denial. I am sure they have all changed their mind by now.

[@AugustaChile]

this warning was as gentleman as it could be. only a guilty person would choose the route of \blackmail\

[@HenryFromWob]

@@zinzyk You're right, I guess I didn't consider the timeline properly. Also, I think with his "memes" on Twitter Wirtual might have overshot the mark of proving his point a little, because this might actually cause more drama than necessary. So it seems to me like Wirtual also has ways to process his anger about the situation that can be irritating to some people.

[@eduardosousa8395]

shut up, of course e felt insulted when he aproached him with this investigation, what would u do?!

[@exhaustfumeaddict]

This is sad, I respect riolu but I trust you enough to believe that he has cheated, and that you were respectful about it. Great that you’re being so transparent and are doing something about it , but I’m sad that the very wholesome track mania community has been poisoned by this scandal.

[@20Gero09]

And Riolu isn't the only one accused, other people who cheated the exact same way actually confessed and their runs look identical, so it's not just investigators vs. accused Riolu, but now also other cheaters support the argument..

[@hach1koko]

Look at riolu's side of things on his twitch channel as well if you didn't already.

[@apaxtoa]

@@hach1koko Unless he admitted to cheating there is absolutely no need for that, this proof is substantial enough that he could not possibly lie his way out of it.

[@Pikaton659]

Look at the proof yourself, don't just blindly believe Wirt. That's the same as those just believing riolu

[@Critical3rror]

@@hach1koko no thank you, his side of things includes trying to start a witch hunt against wirtual after mocking and defaming him by taking out of context snippets of their conversation.

[@PotatoTheShibaWaiter]

Shoutout to the person that called Exposing a cheater/problem in the community as a "Snitch move". Apparently wanting to uphold the rules equally even if it turns out the person that needs to be punished is a friend makes you a nark.

[@happy_labs]

That attitude makes me rage honestly. It's so disrespectful to all of the people whose legitimate WRs have been overshadowed by his cheated runs for years.

[@reubenregler4663]

You do realise the person who Narked was Technos girlfriend (by accident)

[@SimpleeX_RS]

Lets put an example someone murders his family and someone else knows who did it, lets see his response then if its still a snitch move to announce the name of a murderer with evidence. Pepelaf

[@reubenregler4663]

If someone Narks too the police and the police run an investigation based on the information given. It’s not the police who Narked. Keep that in mind, Wirtual didn’t Nark, in fact he even tried to help Riolu handle this all privately. Wirtual did the right thing Riolu did the wrong thing Literally all there is too it

[@Scrubsify]

i thought the same in this situation..like wtf?.. :D (exposing a cheater snitch move)

[@xvgm24]

Reading that twitch chat was hilarious. Shout-out to the two people there that weren't sucking Riolu's dick and didn't jump to conclusions.

[@ATM648]

RollinTM is the only person who doesn't take Riolu's side, because he actually understood the gravity of the situation 13:54