Google is Running Out of Storage

[@3Runner95]

they should start by deleting deleted data

[@vimukthi.]

LOL 😂

[@rrrr2150]

ijbol

[@roykale9141]

KZbin has the ability to bring back deleted videos that were deleted "permanently" Also they say that when you delete your data, its deleted from their servers aswell. Why do that when you can sell it and make profit?!

[@IA07C]

@MacroAcc For example, when you upload a file to google drive and then delete it, actually google will have just hidden it from your account but they can still access it. still have access to it. The same thing happens when you upload a video or post a comment to post a comment on KZbin or any of its services.

[@salluna1957]

@MacroAccall the stuff you on deleted on gmail is still stored. The government can subpoena your emails and most likely will include the deleted ones.

[@robmarshall9026]

The internet used to feel like a boundless ocean, now it feels like a city block.

[@tonywood3660]

Yeah with gangsters on every corner trying to do you over.....

[@ChadAV69]

It is actually a few different blocks: 1. The KZbin block - basically a city filled with a bunch of different big name stores and restaurants but none of them are really that good. 2. The twitter block - aka the blue hair block. Half the block is filled with teenagers crying about capitalism and sexism while the other half is a bunch of racists sharing porn amongst each other. 3. The Facebook block - where there’s a bunch of people that are 35+ that love to argue about mundane shit for 8 hours a day 4. The Reddit block - here you will find a bunch of good information but also some blue hair action going on

[@d7mf3j]

the internet used to feel like a cool place and now it feels like a torture machine invented by satan

[@Fuscao_Preto]

​@@ChadAV694 -not some, major.

[@falcongamer58]

It started with government expansion and intervention Even if the majority agrees with the rules, this is how we got here

[@adrianomartinez6231]

Dear google i can make the sacrifice of letting you delete the information you have about me

[@jking4854]

*thunder strikes* GOOGLE! DELETE MY PERSONAL INFORMATION, AND MY STORAGE SPACE IS YOURS!

[@sinan720]

Then stop freeloading their free services and start paying, or delete your account. Its the governmet regulations that REQUIRE google to store the data of deleted google accounts longer than they want to. Stop blaming google for that. Because guess what? Your "data" is uninteresting as fuck for google if you dont generate ad revenue

[@clam4597]

Your message will be deleted.

[@OwnerOfTheCosmos]

The hero we need.

[@jking4854]

@@clam4597 Mine was, so this checks out

[@ryan.j113]

I refuse to believe that they've got any info on me because they can't show me a single ad I'm interested in.

[@lorkano]

True, it honestly feels like they were scamming all those advertisers with promise of accurate ad placements when in reality, I don't remember when I have seen ad that is interesting in any way.

[@chadpersing5596]

I've blocked so many farmer's dog ads..and they keep coming..I have no dog..nor searched anything dog related..🤦‍♂️ also the recommendation of a video I just previously watched..🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@maxx-er3fj]

They played you

[@casperhansen826]

I get ads for storage appliances and farmer equipment, I try to block them and it usually helps after a few attempts. The bots in the comment section are a huge problem. It seems that KZbin is incapable of sorting them out, maybe they should use AI

[@grungjy]

I get ads in korean just bc I see kpop idols 😭😭😭😭

[@overratedprogrammer]

Just in: google wants to delete user uploaded data and just store user private data

[@knucklehead99-z1w]

That is the exact fact.

[@admiralkaede]

true but its also a fact that it takes CPU and other resources to delete imagine how much server power it would take to wipe almost 2 DECADES worth of old data off drives also drives only have so many read and write cycles so even if they were they would need to be replaced still

[@Crackhog]

​@@admiralkaede just mark them as deleted and overwrite as you go

[@FlorenceSlugcat]

@@admiralkaedeyou are speaking like someone who has never worked with a computer. No, that is not how server storage works. As the person above said, they could simply overwrite the data with new data. Thats actually what happens when you delete a file on your computer. The file is not gone, only the part that tells where the data is gets wiped. If you want to make sure that data cannot be recovered, you can overwrite the whole drive with zeros. That is not going to ruin a drive, at all. Yes, drives have a limited lifespan, but overwriting an entire drive with zeros is only 1 write per bit of data. You can overwrite each bit a huge ammount of times before they fail. It also would not take much longer to overwrite thousands of drives using a massive server, than one or a couple drives using your computer, because they can do it in parallel. You dont wait for a drive to be done before doing another drive. You do them simultaneously.

[@admiralkaede]

@@Crackhog i guess they could do that but im sure for also legal reasons such as keeping a copy for law enforcement plays a part but based on them now deleing old gmail accounts it is plasable that could start

[@glock-kay]

They need to start deleting users data they secretly take without users permission😂

[@ultratheman]

uhm acrually its not the users data in section 39349 sentence 39282811 it says that the user gives up everything they post on google 🤓☝️

[@angryox3102]

And you know that even though they “delete” it, It’ll still be available for warrants and subpoenas

[@turtlefrog369]

@@angryox3102 yeah, the law are really conflicting. even european laws. You have to allow user data to be able to be "deleted" but also you have to keep data for X years for ... govt purposes..

[@RedBigz]

i guess they can use the ad money to buy more storage

[@unhabilitated9104]

@@RedBigz if people start using adblockers, no ad money will be made so no free services will be given.

[@88Nieznany88]

You used to pay for the service. Then, service became free in terms of money, but you would pay with your data. Now, you will pay with both money and your data.

[@etr1us]

not gona happen

[@_repentence]

Well when the stuff are free, youre the product. They want our data to sell more stuff, it was targeted ads, hopefully.

[@effexon]

lot of places have ads tooo.... sub+ads+data

[@Gandhi_Physique]

@@_repentence As the OP said, doesn't matter if it is free or not, everyone is a product now.

[@christianknuchel]

@@etr1us Just think about all those computers running a paid copy of Windows, including those that are sold with it. It's already happening.

[@Mexican00b]

even with adblocks, people getting smart, etc... they are still making billions in profits... but its *not enough, they want more*

[@mtamech535]

Says the guy without a social media company.

[@Retr0_ADHD]

​@@mtamech535 What are you even on about

[@mtamech535]

@@Retr0_ADHD wait so YOU know how to run a billion dollar social media company? Know it alls always know everything, even if they couldn’t put a social media company together themselves.

[@Retr0_ADHD]

​@@mtamech535 Not once did I Iimply knowing how to run one lol From what I DO know, said companies are literally using YOU and your personal info for data and money right now. Why are you defensive for them???

[@mtamech535]

@@Retr0_ADHD Adhd here myself. I'm working off of the assumption that there are billions in profits, that's what I was going on about. But generally I'm against any anti-capitalistic response. I like youtube. I want them to make billions more, if they _make_ billions, as it gives me the experience I love. Billionaires are what they are because we love what they give us.

[@Limbaugh_]

Subscriptions to use home appliances feels so fucking dystopian

[@Deffcolony]

This only means you will be seeing more opensource software when programmers get together to build amazing software. If big tech starts to paywall things? The more people will start to use opensource

[@adamfrisk956]

@@Deffcolonyhere’s hoping it won’t be like Linux

[@theowainwright7406]

There is no such thing as a free lunch, who is gonna pay for the updates if you aren’t?

[@vk3fbab]

I used to like Anova but then I purchased a newer model and it was crap. I detest having to use an app to cook. Then I had to have a cloud login to cook. The first version without any required app was great. However when that broke down and they didn't offer any support to fix it I went elsewhere. I'm sure they don't miss me.

[@shockeye3863]

@@theowainwright7406 Who the hell needs updates on a refrigerator? You plug it in, it gets cold. It's not that complicated.

[@paleopteryx]

I remember a time where ads were just unintrusive animated gifs sitting on the side of a web page and everyone was ok with them. No one felt then need for an ad-blocker. But then the greed came in, ads become full screen videos, or nagging popups covering the main content, and so on. And now they complain about people using ad-blockers?

[@mllarson]

Don't forget the ads every six minutes on live streams. It is so infuriating!

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@mllarson I use the Brave browser, and I never see ads. You can get it for your phone too.

[@Johncw87]

It wasn't all sunshine and lollipops. Remember pop-up ads? Pop-unders? Pop-ups that would open more pop-ups when you closed them? Thankfully, pop-up blockers are a standard feature in all web browsers today. Pop-up blockers were the original ad blockers.

[@anthonyobryan3485]

Don't forget about ad networks being malware distribution engines.

[@LarixusSnydes]

@@anthonyobryan3485 Good point.

[@GubernareMens]

I wonder how much of that data clogging is caused just by Google Photos and files being turned on by default on Android phones...

[@veznan1487]

Revenge for vacuum cleaning our private data

[@volvo09]

I don't use that, but Google photos is ALWAYS nagging me to turn on cloud backup.

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

Idk about other phones, but atleast on my iPhone 10 photos took up about two dozen gigabytes of storage. Nothing else came close. Not even the videos I recorded on the phone. Like... Just, _how?_

[@keulron2290]

@@qwertykeyboard5901Those probably aren’t/weren’t images.

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

@@keulron2290 Uh, yes they are. ~2MiB per photo adds up.

[@ethangordon3114]

Subscriptions to use objects you already own is exactly why I dislike our current obsession with smart appliances. You don’t truly own your device if someone else always has the power to shut it down and force you to shell out more money.

[@JdotCarver]

Open Source has been quietly chugging along this whole time and I think this is the smart move.

[@lesleydehaan-kj8sq]

Not entirely the focus of the video, but touched on: I coordinated the Art Department of a huge ABC TV show - you’ve definitely heard of it. We used Google Drive to share files between artists then one afternoon I got an email saying Google’d found copyrighted files in our drive and deleted them. Yeah. We made those - what the eff was Google doing sniffing through our files. I responded and asked for the files to be reinstated. Nothing. I got Sony lawyers involved. Nothing. I got Disney lawyers involved. Nothing. They ghosted us. These were shared, not the only files but jeez! Not a safe or reliable or private service.

[@shinyrayquaza9]

They sure dont do a good job, Ive got a modded version of strike force heroes for steam up on there for sharing an older version for about a year now

[@skibidi.G]

They always hated you bro, you weren't a bald lesbian candidate for the new digital gestàpo!

[@pistonsjem]

Zip it with a password. Can't snoop on thing they can't read

[@autohmae]

They did this because people are storing copyrighted material on Google drive is HUGE amounts and sharing them online with other people, because Drive has a share button.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

A dad ended up falsely accused of distributing CSAM after he shared a picture with his to his kids pediatrician to facilitate a proper diagnosis of his kids ailment.

[@Beef1188]

Did Google try emptying the recycle bin?

[@bellissimo4520]

There is no such thing for them...

[@batuemirseven]

​@@bellissimo4520bro is not programmed to take a joke 💀😭

[@Dr.Priority]

@@batuemirseveni think the one who didnt get the joke is you

[@davistoa]

​@@batuemirseven The ellipsis at the end is usually a good joke indicator

[@adamcetinkent]

They might be able to save 128kb of temporary files!

[@4bSix86f61]

Imagine going on military service and your google account got nuked.

[@ZontarDow]

Deployments are 6 months

[@volvo09]

​@@luovuttaayeah my friend's boyfriend had a one year deployment. I felt bad so I gave him a better laptop.

[@ceoofkrankenwagen]

Share your password

[@zhoxnq6776]

good chance to opt out of google services

[@4bSix86f61]

@@ceoofkrankenwagen My Password is aksdhjaskj(^@jsakl()&12907mwksjU(!#OIYkhlaHIOY_PASSWORD_password_userhjdsht7ewghdkj_dwlj++wdnb.end

[@07.marco_]

if buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing

[@prophetzarquon1922]

Copying was never stealing: theft & infringement are two different offenses (& _actual_ piracy is armed robbery by threat of bodily harm or death, so that's _totally_ unrelated). Only via misinformation campaigns, have copying & theft been conflated.

[@ozymans]

Blud thinks it's about Ubisoft😭

[@catman3134]

Wrong video buddy

[@misterVladis]

Of course, but you still have to store your pirated games somewhere

[@randomshittutorials]

This needs more likes.

[@travisdaniel463]

Imagine spending 2 years in prison thinking "I can't wait to check my Gmail account when I get out" and it's not there

[@gabesmath105]

that's why you give someone the password

[@ftgodlygoose4718]

It happens, that’s why you shouldn’t keep important things on the internet. I’ve lost many accounts because yahoo deleted my email account I made when I was like 10 due to inactivity. As a kid I had no use for an email other than to sign up for games, socials so when 2 factor authentication came around and the email my accounts were using got deleted it was truly a sad day

[@bowgart5567]

No one would think that the first day they left prison LMAO

[@gabesmath105]

@@bowgart5567 i would

[@dejus_e]

What kind of prisoner would think that shit

[@freddarteagavaldez725]

get those external hard drives, mateys. aaaaaargh.

[@diobrando5976]

Proper strat is NAS on your LAN for your desktop and Nextcloud for your phone/laptop while you're out of the house. I have 16TB of storage and I plan to double it

[@dsl69]

​@@diobrando5976why does Dio need so much space? To save Jonathan pics?

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

@@diobrando5976 Is RAID more necessary than just some cheap hard drives slapped into "a computer" Is the reliability in the 3 to 8 year term for normal consumer hard drives really that poor to justify the need for 24/7 RAID configuration?

[@chpsilva]

@@dsl69 *Oh MY gOd Is THat A JojO REfeRenCe?*

[@aikslf]

@@diobrando5976 Unfortunately, NAS devices and higher capacity drives aren't that cheap. Most google drive users would have already gone with that solution if they could have afforded it. It's a very good investment for those who can afford it though.

[@jdmjesus6103]

Targeted ads? I'm a straight, single, male, dog owner. A large proportion of the ads i see are cat food, makeup, perfume and women's clothes, and they're the ones that aren't scams. Google is so greedy now that they can't see themselves failing.

[@HUEHUEUHEPony]

I'm someone from third world country, ads are literally wasted on me as I'll never pay for whatever ads intend me to buy while being a burden on KZbin LMAO

[@admontblanc]

​@@HUEHUEUHEPonyI'm from the first world and never spent a dime on whatever crap comes on those ads, and if it wasn't for the phone I would have spent the last 15 years without seeing one ad at all online.

[@urnoob5528]

fr their ads aint even targetting shit

[@mllarson]

As a nice side effect, you could actually capitalize on that by selling these very goods to women. Women spend so much money it's unreal 😀

[@adlex1212]

youtube can't even recommend content properly and they have a mountain of data to work with.

[@MrBrineplays_]

Google once just provided you with a search engine. Now it steals personal data and forces you into subscriptions, one of which is google photos. Now they're running out of space. I wonder why 🤔

[@finkelmana]

I remember a time when the internet was a world of endless possibilities. Now its an endless pain in the ass.

[@avanap8096]

It's a Cesspit. Now especially the shit you want to find is hidden behind Dross

[@JorgetePanete]

it's*

[@noobiccubic]

@@JorgetePanete I think you just proved his point.

[@JorgetePanete]

@@noobiccubic I thought of that too, it's funny.

[@ovrskr]

English is not even standardized, dont pretend to know the correct way to spell this

[@humanvegetable]

Just download more RAM

[@anthonybf2]

You wouldn't download a hard drive

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

A gigabyte of RAM should do the trick Chance favors the prepared mind

[@feisaljauharitufail]

I just downloaded more FPS recently.

[@andresreborned8622]

@@anthonybf2 nah, ram is faster than a drive

[@Wigwamwham]

They need more dedotated wam fo duh survuurr

[@interstellarsurfer]

All that AI training data taking up space.

[@washere3955]

Was gonna say the same thing!

[@w花b]

That's their problem

[@yewo.m]

...and secretly-collected user data

[@victoralexandervinkenes9193]

​@@yewo.mit's not a secret, though. I'm pretty sure they've already admitted to doing this a few years back.

[@moetocafe]

@@victoralexandervinkenes9193 you are correct, in GMail terms of service they want you to agree to them scanning every line of every email

[@Stratos1988]

"4k60fps video stored" yet anytime there's drama on the internet or some alien sighting all we get is a blurry pixel spaghetti.

[@Ryan-op7yd]

Because it's compression algorithms on top of compression algorithms on top of compression algorithms. By the time it gets to you the video has been saved (and therefore compressed) and re-uploaded (which may again compress it) numerous times. It's basically a game of telephone but with pixels instead of words.

[@Stratos1988]

@@Ryan-op7yd lol, 4 weeks ago and I can't recall at which point this quote happened :) I get your point, even MKBHD made a video 'bout that, where he uploaded something multiple time, but I'm almost sure what I meant was 4k60 upload doesn't equal quality of input file

[@Wythaneye]

Maybe Google should delete their copy and just rely on the NSA's copy of my data. No need to store it twice.

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

Wouldn't that only work for Americans, so there'd be less data on the other countries? Wait a minute. I'm the other countries. Do it.

[@kjullthedemon]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Oh, trust me. The alphabet boys monitor everyone in the west. Not just the U.S

[@jbird4478]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 If anything, it's the other way around. The NSA _officially_ has the task to gather foreign intelligence, and _officially_ isn't even allowed to gather data on US citizens.

[@neildees1761]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 There are a lot of countries that share information with the NSA. It's not just the US. Your country doesn't value privacy either.

[@Romashka_Sov]

​@@xinpingdonohoe3978other countries have other agencies to work with

[@FortniteOG420]

They wouldn't need all that storage if they actually deleted what they said they would

[@sinan720]

Goverment regulations, especially in the EU, is preventing them from deleting. Its the governmet regulations that REQUIRE google to store the data of deleted google accounts longer than they want to. Stop blaming google for that. Because guess what? Your "data" is uninteresting as fuck for google if you dont generate ad revenue

[@morock1n]

But then they’d lose their alphabet agencies’ funding

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@morock1n don't worry it gets piped to china and israel

[@One.Zero.One101]

They could save space by deleting all the scam KZbin videos every time there's a big boxing or UFC fight. You know those videos that take you to a page that wants you to download an installer or sign up for some account.

[@smartmonkey777]

Ai collapse is rampaging you tube , bots making ai video, scripts, then uploading hundreds of videos to you tube (one video can generate terabytes of data that needs storage in this manner). Ai is generating a unsustainable data collapse. I saw an AI video that linked to a webpage as a reference that was generated by an AI bot.

[@Sypitz]

It’s actually what they talked about at the end of mgs2, holy carp.

[@PdGNL-h1o]

I didn't think about this aspect. It did occur to me that when AI feeds AI by AI articles, AI could loose its value - for it not being in touch with real world anymore, but itself.

[@smartmonkey777]

@@PdGNL-h1o Yeah, i saw an AI video with an AI script (that just spoke but never got to a point) with an AI thumbnail with AI voice, and its reference was a webpage article generated by AI.

[@ivan55599]

There is a video in youtube, where is discussed next issue: when there is growing number of AI images, AI will use those images to train itself, and in the end it goes like full circle; new images looking even more like each other (read: general-looking), and all "creativity" (if we can call it) what is left of AI art generation is lost.

[@AS-np3yq]

And AI writing comments..

[@PMMillard]

Its almost like harvesting the entire internets data isnt such a good idea.

[@raven4k998]

we are running out of storage space SIR!! Jimmy!!!! buy more drives!!!!! Yes Sir on it sir!!!

[@JohnDoe-zx9ul]

it can be good if done openly with the intentions of preservation like an internet archive but of course, we're all talking about google. "do no evil"

[@raven4k998]

@@JohnDoe-zx9ul yeah most archives degrade over time sadly though😭😭

[@Phlegethon]

they should get better at deleting spammers

[@R3TR0R4V3]

💯%

[@shartbossmaster]

and the whole ai "art" generation thing!! I keep seeing so much of it keeps clogging up my imaging searches, and I'm sure that these uploads of ai "art" is taking up so much GB of google's free storage

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

@@shartbossmaster It takes so much energy to create them, more to spam them, and they const server space on so many duplicate servers just so nobody will ever explicitly look for or at any of it! It really is something insane, right?

[@gullysl]

@@shartbossmasterthey aren’t hosted on google images they are hosted on other sites

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

And better at preventing it in the first. Like seriously, I was looking at my poor mom's email the other day. It is nothing but promotional s***. I'm trying to convince her to let me set her up a whole new email so it'll take years for it to get so hopelessly compromised but she gets nervous about getting her bills and everything

[@beverly9486]

8:45 “It seems the age of free stuff on the internet is coming to an end.” As long as the public library is free and torrents available, I’ll make a way. 🏴‍☠️

[@oddcraft18]

But you are a product of the library

[@KevMcc-c2b]

Tick tock tick tock, plus hard drives fail eventually

[@cozz124]

@@KevMcc-c2b gone is the age of hard drives, ssd's last way longer

[@eczemoose]

@cozz124 when flash memory fails, though, that's it, whatever was stored in that sector is gone. Old HDDs that can't be spun up anymore can still have data recoverable by specialists.

[@biggusdickus1689]

​@@oddcraft18 What does this even mean?

[@marc-andreservant201]

Google: collects private information on their users. Also Google: we're running out of hard drive space!

[@ZombieCSSTutorials]

The caveat is they're running out of HD space for you to use. :P

[@User-d6g4s]

Having a text file of user interests is much cheaper than photos and videos...

[@TheFibie007]

The amount of data needed to exactly profile a user is magnitudes smaller than the actual payloads from the user(s).

[@TheFunniBaconMan]

Dumbasses didn't use SSDs. /s

[@damm41]

They don’t have enough data centers. They aren’t building them like aws.

[@CarinaAdele5CA]

Every crash/collapse brings with it an equivalent market chance if you are early informed and equipped, I've seen folks amass up to $1m amid economy crisis, and even pull it off easily in favorable conditions. Unequivocally, the collapse is getting somebody somewhere rich.

[@ConradFriedrichj1z]

I do not disagree, there are strategies that could be put in place for solid gains regardless of economy or market condition, but such execution are usually carried out by investment experts with experience since the 08' crash

[@AmaliaGiselae8g]

The issue is people have the "I want to do it myself mentality" but not equipped enough for a crash, hence get burnt. Ideally, advisors are reps for investing jobs, and at first-hand encounter, my portfolio has yielded over 300% since 2020 just after the pandemic to date.

[@AlbrechtChristoph016]

i'm blown away! mind sharing more info please? i am a young adult living in Miami where i've encountered several millionaires, and my goal is to become one as well

[@AmaliaGiselae8g]

NICOLE ANASTASIA PLUMLEE' is the licensed fiduciary I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.

[@AlbrechtChristoph016]

I just curiously searched her up, and I have sent her an email. I hope she gets back to me soon. Thank you

[@cashwood]

Some other guys computer is running out of hard drive space

[@AltepEN]

me, i have like 1 gb left or something out of 512gb

[@moonlightyegui6904]

A huge fucking array of computers that consumes more power than my entire city block

[@kartoffelbrei8090]

Some other guys staff has not been using windirstat

[@osmi76]

i have 1.8tb left (i bought a 2tb ssd)

[@effexon]

buy more cheap $/TB hdds so their business wont go down

[@CrissCover]

The internet is getting destroyed piece by piece nowadays. KZbin's immature "response" to adblockers, Google running out of space, Microsoft killing the only things Windows users like about WinOS, Amazon Prime showing ads even if you pay, Apple being Apple, tons of KZbinrs being PDFiles etc. Piracy and open source codes are the only way to survive today's internet and keeping your wallet less emptier (inflation sucks too)

[@COLLAPSARQ]

Sad truth

[@opalpersonal]

wierd to bring vtubers into this rant but sure lol

[@MMythBunkersB]

The whole pedophile thing happens because the internet is allowing adults to carry out their desires of grooming a kid through a private hidden conversation. If there was no chat messaging avaliable we would see less of this stuff surfacing

[@abserd01]

​@@opalpersonalhe didn't mention vtubers?

[@hsthatzo8063]

@@opalpersonalOk he/him calm down

[@TotallyNotK0]

Free stuff on the internet isn't going away, it's just not being provided by tech giants as much anymore. Open-source and self-hosted solutions are on the rise, and when they become as easy as what Google and Microsoft and the others provided, I have a feeling that will be the new norm

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

We need to get the skill floor of tech natives above reliance on iphones and android apps. They need to know how to p2p their own lan party and they gotta know how to slap together a really quick lan FTP server because haha all those usb ports don't work make due download the exe

[@ballsack7692]

@@Moe_Posting_Chad are there any youtube videos for me to learn what you've mentioned? (like p2p a lan party, what does that really mean?)

[@theforsakeen177]

most popular open source source projects can only keep operating thx to either funding from those tech giants or labor force from them

[@SL4RK]

If that would be the solution, plug and play, an off-the-shelf server with the software already configured and only the most basic setup required, like nas synology, then yes, I think a lot more regular people will pay attention to them and at some point it will become the norm.

[@Person01234]

@@theforsakeen177 you know when a company goes under it's employees don't all die right?

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

There really needs to be a purge of A.I slop and the disturbing content slop of "kid friendly" spam. There's no reason to have 10 million videos a day from content machines.

[@TheDevil-cj1ls]

Oh boy, get ready to pay a monthly fee to use basic and almost necessary services from one of the biggests monopolies on earth.

[@eitantal726]

You think this is bad, it's not. It's actually a huge white pill. With pricing comes competition

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

That's not happening. I'll just use the next free thing. Yes there will be don't even pretend to argue.

[@Danglutas]

The fact that are basic and almost necessary services doesn't mean that it is free services to mantain. Of course you have to pay it, and if you don't want, just buy some hard drives. I mean, food is basic and necessary stuff and we have to pay for it, and it's right.

[@BastiatC]

@@Danglutas should have thought of that before turning it into a utility and monopolizing it, shouldn't they?

[@yerbudspud]

The biggest monopoly that became that big by offering those services for free when most others charged a monthly fee.

[@Longlius]

Another aspect is that the median internet user nowadays is much poorer than they were back in like 2008. In 2008, your average internet person was an American, or a European, or someone from wealthy East Asia. Selling ads targeting such people was profitable vs the services they consumed. Nowadays your median internet user is likely from the developing world and simply does not have the disposable income that made them such a valuable target for ads in the first place, yet they consume almost basically the same amount of 'free' services as someone from the developed world.

[@saikumarravula]

Great point. For example views and content from India form a significant portion of the YT viewership and those views are worth a fraction of EU or NA while the cost of running the service is comparable.

[@bsherman8236]

Smartphones are the problem, back in the day only home computers could access internet, now people can stream themselves 24/7 for no one

[@dingickso4098]

@@bsherman8236 Yeah, like that 20 million Chinese livestreamers doing literally nothing on the streets next to each other's streams.

[@bsherman8236]

@@dingickso4098 even in america i see people recording themselves all the time in 4k 60fps just because they are not paying for it

[@biafra13743]

From Biafra

[@arttukettunen5757]

If google focused on removing spammers and scammers and their content from their services, that would free up a lot of unnecessary data!

[@spirithope]

✅✅✅✅✅

[@TheSimoc]

And devoting just a little bit of professionality on software development. Today's software has almost without exception from 10 to 10000 times more storage (as well as RAM) footprint than what would be necessary for the functionality - which has also gone worse and worse at same time.

[@skelet8337]

I mean that would be more expensive than just buying more memory or am I missing something I feel a 1 trillion dollar company would have solved it by now if it was that easy.

[@TheSimoc]

@@skelet8337 You are missing two things that are most relevant: - Google *wants* to collect and keep as much data as possible, it is their raw material for all their revenue, has always been. And the explicit reason they have wanted to "give free storage" and encourage to not delete anything. - While they have succeeded to make lots of profit, you can see how horribly badly their even simplest, common-sensical algorithms work. For example, GBoard's autocomplete which never succeeds to suggest many right words in a row when writing very usual phrases, such as own name and postal address, while all the time suggesting words I have never typed, and even typoed words! And even more stupider are the workings of their any more convoluted systems. And not to mention horrible code bloat and bad UI design in about every piece of their software. These all are referred to by one simple word: unprofessionality. They simply have no professionality to make anything well, especially not simple things. Lots of both management work and technical skills would be needed for any reasonable things, and in lack of them Google doesn't implement such. The claim that deleting data would be any more rocket scientific than any other processing (editing) of existing stored data, is complete hoax. Pure urban legend, disinformation from apologists and misinformation of naive good-believing lambs. Deleting data has zero difference from modifying existing data, which is done all the time into hefty pieces of data. Yes some technical implementations require entire big blobs to be rewritten at once to do it, but it is, once more, nothing different from making a modification within big blob of data, and it is being done all the time. Actually, the very purpose of big data centers is the ability and efficiency on processing big amounts of data, and to do it more efficiently, with lower cost, and with better flexibility and resilience than having it on "homestead" on-premises servers on sets of smaller storage devices. One of the significant cost benefits of using cloud data centers comes from the fact that customers do come and go all the time, and similarly some existing customers have less data at times when others have more. Therefore, the level of utilization of the storage is maximized while the necessity of storage space per customer is minimized, equalling into low (and flexible!) cost and charge of storage with pay-per-usage basis. This cost and payment model wouldn't work (nor be profitable for any party) if it was true that data deletion would be costlier than adding physical storage. As then every customer would need to pay full price for all the physical space that the one has needed or will need even just once.

[@TheSimoc]

@@skelet8337 You are missing two things that are most relevant: - Google *wants* to collect and keep as much data as possible, it is their raw material for all their revenue, has always been. And the explicit reason they have wanted to "give free storage" and encourage to not delete anything. - While they have succeeded to make lots of profit, you can see how horribly badly their even simplest, common-sensical algorithms work. For example, GBoard's autocomplete which never succeeds to suggest many right words in a row when writing very usual phrases, such as own name and postal address, while all the time suggesting words I have never typed, and even typoed words! And even more stupider are the workings of their any more convoluted systems. And not to mention horrible code bloat and bad UI design in about every piece of their software. These all are referred to by one simple word: unprofessionality. They simply have no professionality to make anything well, especially not simple things. Lots of both management work and technical skills would be needed for any reasonable things, and in lack of them Google doesn't implement such. The claim that deleting data would be any more rocket scientific than any other processing (editing) of existing stored data, is complete hoax. Pure urban legend, disinformation from apologists and misinformation of naive good-believing lambs. Deleting data has zero difference from modifying existing data, which is done all the time into hefty pieces of data. Yes some technical implementations require entire big blobs to be rewritten at once to do it, but it is, once more, nothing different from making a modification within big blob of data, and it is being done all the time. Actually, the very purpose of big data centers is the ability and efficiency on processing big amounts of data, and to do it more efficiently, with lower cost, and with better flexibility and resilience than having it on "homestead" on-premises servers on sets of smaller storage devices. One of the significant cost benefits of using cloud data centers comes from the fact that customers do come and go all the time, and similarly some existing customers have less data at times when others have more. Therefore, the level of utilization of the storage is maximized while the necessity of storage space per customer is minimized, equalling into low (and flexible!) cost and charge of storage with pay-per-usage basis. This cost and payment model wouldn't work (nor be profitable for any party) if it was true that data deletion would be costlier than adding physical storage. As then every customer would need to pay full price for all the physical space that the one has needed or will need even just once.

[@deimos37]

It's not that "free Internet is coming to the end", it was inevitable from the start because it's calculated into the business model. It's really "free-at-the-start", not "free-all-the-time". The question for these companies is always "when" i.e. when the consumers are dependent on the service so much that they'll be willing to pay for it. Take a look at the Epic Games Store strategy and this will be much clearer: since a few years they are giving away more than a hundred games for free per year to promote their own digital game store. They are not profiting from it yet, but when the profit starts to be big enough they will stop giving away these games.

[@itsmenatika]

Epic games stores is that unusable that I bought some games on steam because of how bad epic games is. You can't even play offline

[@TheSimoc]

Ironically, while gotten over the "free-start"-period, Google has outplayed all their assets by making their services and products more and more unusably horrible quality no-one will be paying for.

[@NowThatsAnime]

Epic games still isn't close to steam. They need a decade of improvements to catch up to steam.

[@darrennew8211]

Epic is going to stop giving away the assets for their game engine, too.

[@prophetzarquon1922]

"First one's free", a bit like when Netflix compensated overcharged claimants in a class action lawsuit, by giving them "free" service that had to be signed up for, then failed to cancel those subscriptions _again,_ & was ordered to pay the remaining claimants $6 each, for the multiple months worth of fraudulent billing they'd collected. Subscription services always tend toward scamming. The Unreal engine is by far the best holding Epic has got. Unreal isn't _free_ for commercial use, but up until now there's been no charge until serious money starts rolling in... Stripping away the default assets in favor of a double monetized asset store, may eliminate a lot of small developers...

[@theX24968Z]

There's a really good documentary pbs frontline did called "the age of easy money" that goes into the economy over the past 15 years, why interest rates stayed so low for so long, and even poses the question if having interest rates that low for that long was a mistake. big tech has gotten far too used to easy money.

[@pavementstoneguy]

Rates are gonna drop below 3% again because it is once again time to refinance the government debt. I wonder what shenanigans they will pull this time. Covaids 2.0? Another war?

[@sulimanthemagnificent4893]

“Poses the question” Well… it’s a rhetorical one… we all know the answer…

[@LarsLarsen77]

It was a HUGE mistake and you're about to see the ramifications.

[@effexon]

ontop... some mechanism can allow 0.5% loan for those big selected corpos when everyone else pay 3 to 7... if government likes those corpos and does collab with them.

[@test-rj2vl]

It's actually crazy to think about how disk space is wasted - 4k 60 fps music video that is 3 hours long and has static picture all the time.

[@Nurdoidz]

A static-image video regardless of its length would only take up a couple of megs. The audio, however, does not compress as nicely.

[@test-rj2vl]

@@Nurdoidz Luckily all the LOFI artists are now aware of this and add very slight animations to their otherwise static videos so that those couldn't be compressed to just a couple of megs. 🤣

[@test-rj2vl]

@@Nurdoidz That gave me idea - start making 8k 60 FPS LOFI music videos where every odd frame is black and every even frame is white But not solid color but rather random noise.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@test-rj2vl In compression, the unchanged areas aren't stored over and over, only the changed areas.

[@ganjabobby]

Compression defeats all your tricks… except with those math fractal videos. Those things are constantly changing and enormous in size. Process and bandwidth hogs.

[@rhysamoment]

actually delete our "deleted data" when??????

[@Alacritous]

I remember the good old days. I never bothered with it, but someone wrote a filesystem for Gmail that would use Gmail as file storage.

[@BlackCatRedScarf]

Maaaaan... I recall that. The times when Gmail was continuously expanding in space.

[@xCwieCHRISx]

Someone wrote a program to encode data to a video and upload it on youtube, because youtube is basically unlimited cloud storage

[@Visstnok]

And then someone made a video about speedrunning filling a Gmail inbox, leading to this video.

[@kapv3]

@@xCwieCHRISxthat wouldn’t work because of how much file compression youtube does

[@Nelo390]

@@kapv3 it did, with a lot of it dedicated to error correction.

[@Serge_Jackson]

So are they running out of storage space or is it that selling our data just not as profitable? Cause thats what i get from it

[@20NewJourney23]

I'm sure it's both. With the number of gmail emails my dad keeps in his inbox/archived he is constantly fighting the 15 GB free limit... I was, too when I had a gmail email that I used... So, I know probably more people than not are probably at or near capacity.

[@admiralkaede]

both storing files can be expensive

[@Serge_Jackson]

@@admiralkaede oh okay welp they should have thought about that

[@seinfan9]

Server demand is costly. To be more efficient and not have to build multiple facilities, they're going to want to use the latest CPU tech and storage density. There's cost to keeping the severs cool, they have to be immersed in liquid in some cases. And the amount of energy that is obviously being used adds to the cost too. This alone makes data less profitable. On top of that, plenty of other companies collect and sell data too. Advertisers are probably paying pennies to the dollar on data now compared to a decade ago.

[@potat0-c7q]

it was never profitable, the way these things work is they give the free stuff to increase the user base and get investments.. Then the chickens come home to roost and they have to start finding a way to actually make money. So they start doing ads, and cutting costs, and the user base dwindles while the next startup offers free stuff and gets investments and grows the userbase, realizes they can't sustain that, repeat forever.

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

Imagine how many people would be absolutely screwed if they lost access to their email account due to corporate fuckery. They would lose access to every single website or service they signed up to with that email. There *_needs_* to be regulation to prevent such problems from happening.

[@ArmanZaidi]

honestly

[@nicozx191]

I already lost Gmail as my uni's email platform and it has been horrible

[@cloudnine5651]

no they wouldnt. if your email was deleted you can just make it again

[@lolopinko3385]

​@@cloudnine5651and all the profiles connected to the old email would be gone. "Want to change the email? Too bad you need to open this verification email that we'll send to a non existent adress"

[@chicitizen]

I agree the laws need to reflect the times. Unfortunately we have too many old technologically illiterate boomers making all the decisions.

[@shreksthongg]

I'm just thinking if these big companies start getting rid of their free services it opens the door for more competition, which I think is a good thing. It's hard for smaller businesses to provide free services like that so they haven't really been able to compete

[@Danominator]

KZbin is definitely next. Was already concerned about the future of this platform but now I'm definitely keeping my eye out for new developments.

[@magister.mortran]

KZbin is Google (i.e. Alphabet). It is one part of the company that has to go. Either they have to sell it or they divide the shares.Since KZbin makes little profit, it doesn´t look good for the platform.

[@Shenepoy]

I'm two steps ahead of you I have about 10tb of youtube archived in my server

[@WrathKing47]

​@Shenepoy How can I start archiving KZbin videos?

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Ironic considering that I have already download ALL Of my videos on all of my youtube accounts 5 years/6 years prior....And as for passwords, some of them in my google account saved have either been expired or no longer used anymore simply because they have changed over time....Good thing I have saved them in an offline document, which then I can save them on a USB flash drive or SD Card.

[@Dr.Frogerston]

@@WrathKing47 Copying the links of playlists/channels/etc. and mass downloading them with jdownloader2 should work (I haven't tried it tho)

[@2ndio405]

Half of the internet is AI generated slop. They could double their storage by cutting AI. Edit: Alright I get it I merely looked at the thumbnail of a lessons in meme culture video, people said I was wrong. I've acknowledged that now, you can stop insulting me.

[@KingOfAluminum]

As prevalent as AI content has become, it is nowhere CLOSE to being half of the internet (yet)

[@2ndio405]

@@KingOfAluminum That's good to hear. Why did Lessons in meme culture say half of it was?

[@jimhalpert0]

Cat's out of the bag Mr. Turner

[@KingOfAluminum]

@@2ndio405 That was probably an exaggeration or a very inaccurate estimate. Granted, I'm also estimating, but the sheer amount of content uploaded to the internet by humans couldn't be matched this quickly by AI.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

Amazon had so many AI book submissions that it limited uploads to 3 per author per day. That was a year ago.

[@jamesrusselleriii8284]

I remember when Gmail increased their storage limit to 15 GB in 2013... where it's remained since, coincidentally at the beginning of the enshittification era. Then they made Google Photos, which were free, take up Google Drive space. Biggest bait and switch I've seen yet.

[@martontichi8611]

I'm still struggling to migrate off Google Photos ever since. They make it so hard.

[@Boz1211111]

I dont blame them for not giving more than 15gb for free, if thats not good for you pay or host your own

[@an742_]

@@NerdyNEETwow

[@tgheretford]

Eventually they will do the same with videos uploaded to KZbin. Mark my words.

[@_repentence]

Lol, ikr. I was quite happy back then when I see i had 15 GB of free storage and then i got myself an android phone and boy it only take few days until i got message that my google drive is full. Apparenly android upload all my gallery photos to the cloud.

[@Grimmers]

I assume the sudden spike in value of pre-AI human created content, which will never exist in a pure form ever again on the internet, has very much shifted their perspective on all this old data now.

[@r3vmixman]

Translation: now that we trained on your data, we don’t need it anymore.

[@BlackCatRedScarf]

I really feel like internet will go backwards to the old 2000s monetization on cloud stirage abd people will need to hoard data locally again or perhaps rediscover P2P or decentralized networks to shares their videos.

[@miken3963]

Rediscover? Some of us have never left the high seas, me matey. And storing data locally has never been easier. Storage is as cheap as it has ever been and gone are the days when you needed to mess around for days to make things work. I've got Photoprism organizing my photos and videos, Plex sorting movies and TV shows, all doing it locally on my server. All of this stuff was extremely simple to get running.

[@duckmeat4674]

​@@miken3963only downside is that NAS are still crazy expensive

[@Person01234]

god I hope so.

[@SecuR0M]

Good.

[@w花b]

​@@miken3963 good for you bro but by that time many more people joined the internet and only heard of it and never used it.

[@mariokarter13]

The ad-based Internet was never a sustainable business model. No one ever noticed because advertisers have unfathomably deep pockets.

[@david7171]

I remember back in 1956 when I paid 100 Trillion USD for my 1 TB storage.

[@Maxშემიწყალე]

Google keeps telling my I'm running out of free space. I check whats taking up all the space and it claims "emails". I delete around 30,000 emails. The space used that is reported by google doesn't change at all. Somethings fishy here.

[@DrawinskyMoon]

That’s because you need to delete them twice. When you “delete” a file it goes to the trash box then you have to delete from there too.

[@Maxშემიწყალე]

@@DrawinskyMoon That does nothing. Not even 1% less on my usage.

[@obbligato35]

@@Maxშემიწყალე Maybe it needs some time to update?

[@Johncw87]

Emails tend to be quite small. Even if you deleted 30,000 of them, it wouldn't impact the storage too much. The real culprit would be the attachments in your emails. Look for emails with attachments, and the usage should become clear.

[@mary9moffitt]

30,000?! How long did that take? How long have you had all those?

[@MichaelADoesIndeedHaveACat]

It's so much worse than even deleting old gmail accounts - I got an email from my university that google no longer offers unlimited enterprise storage to universities, forcing them to either pay much more for every student or restrict the amounts of data students have

[@The111Primagen]

Watch Google try to use people's hard drives to seed content and just claim that the big new update to Chrome is just "larger because it has new security features"

[@mateuszzimon8216]

But that's make censoring impossible, DB goes really to cloud

[@The111Primagen]

@@mateuszzimon8216 they could encrypt the files.

[@maalikserebryakov]

Microsoft would rather die than ever let that happen. Have faith in Microsoft’s greed. Windows defender may not be good at much, but it will be ON POINT when it comes to keeping an eye on google products you use

[@volvo09]

Like when (was it Norton Antivirus) mined crypto on users computers....

[@yorickwolter]

I was thinking about something among those lines when imagining the amount of data uploaded to KZbin only for a single day. It's insane...

[@DashieX3]

trillionaire company can’t afford more storage, this is so sad poor google 😿

[@neoleonor7140]

It's not a trillionare, it's networth

[@DashieX3]

@@neoleonor7140 🤓 ummm ackshually

[@neoleonor7140]

@@DashieX3 Prove it then lol

[@DashieX3]

@@neoleonor7140 🤓 pwove ith then lol

[@unlucky1752]

@@DashieX3get that nerd.

[@ethanreynolds4942]

1:49 oh man I remember getting that free gig and I was so freaking happy!! Then it JUST KEPT GROWING BY THE GIGS! I was so happy and the future of the Internet looked so bright and incredible. Those were the days.

[@UsernameBlocked]

There is the trend where ppl would start.a gmail for their newborn and use it as a memory bank for the early years, and then they give the kid the password when they turn 18 and have this archive of their life and messages from their parent(s)--a lot of things like this are probably not on the chopping block if still active, but im sure the kid that forgot to log in to their memory bank for 2 yrs is upset their childhood is gone to the void

[@anthonyobryan3485]

Maybe people will finally learn the major lesson of the cloud: if you don't own the server, you don't own the data.

[@UsernameBlocked]

@@anthonyobryan3485 memory card scrapbook would also achieve a similar function but without the need to put something so personal on the internet at all

[@mryoshii]

​@@anthonyobryan3485and also learn to backup *important* data

[@lVlegabyte]

That was the “Dear Sophie” advertisement for Google Chrome. Unfortunately setting one up for a newborn violated the terms of service

[@UsernameBlocked]

@@lVlegabyte bahahahaha I hope this is true bc it’s so illogically misleading advertising that I believe google would do it

[@daruween1398]

Google drive have been really helpful during college. Kinda sucks that you can only make physical backup in the future

[@realcartoongirl]

unlimited online storage always seems too good to be true

[@Crokatec]

Storage is cheap these days. A 1 TB drive costs 30 bucks. Google should be giving us at least 50 TB of free storage with the amount of money their making off each user but they're too greedy.

[@trip_t2122]

​@@CrokatecWhat money? Most users don't click on ads

[@Memzys]

@@Crokatec you should give me 50 TB of free storage. thanks in advance

[@Cynlixal]

@@Crokatecis this satire?

[@username7763]

​@@Memzysno problem, I'll give you double that for free with no warranty you'll be able to retrieve.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

I remember when I was in college 15 years ago 16 years ago whatever... People would always invest in storage flash drives. To save their papers and everything. But I always just emailed it to myself. I didn't really even think of it as a cloud or anything I was just like... Why do I have to pay 25 bucks for a flash drive when I can just email my half written paper to myself? Now I'm much more particular about having stuff on local storage, but I guess I never really thought about storage capacity at the time because I never seem to encounter the capacity.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

For me, we have always used Bruned CDs, DVDs, USB flash drives, HDDs, etc. or stuff in emails for many years. But for me, having a physical item in your house to access the material was just the better way to go, and heck, it even saved one of my very first amateur high school movies of "Winter Break" filmed from December 19th, 2011, up until January 4th, 2012. Although you could tell the script and the way I spoke didn't make sense, but it sure was a start from a film program I joined back in September 2009/February 2010.

[@JH-pe3ro]

Back then(also went to college in the 2000's) I went through a period where I sent my computer home in hopes of being a better student, so I would go around to the computer labs with a CD sleeve case and do stuff with a flash drive and CD-RW. For all of the 2010's, I used cloud a lot more, but never completely let go of keeping my own stuff local. I think the ad-tech bubble really pushed everyone using computers off of their "natural" tendency to keep around a data hoard. Anyway, I got a Blu-ray writer recently and put everything on that, because despite the downsides, it's still the best bet for long-term archival.

[@DrawinskyMoon]

Ever since one of my usb drives became corrupted, I unfortunately don’t trust them anymore.

[@Bonez0r]

You don't even have to mail it to yourself, you can save the draft and access it when you need. IIRC that was a method terrorists used to send messages to each other without sending mails, they just shared the same mail account and saved messages as draft so every one of them who had access could read the messages. I can't remember if it was gmail or some other platform.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@Bonez0r Some of the evil people in government were using gaming platforms and draft messages. The white hats found out.

[@steven1671]

Google’s business model never made sense to me. Seems to me like a bubble is about to pop, and it’s been a long time coming.

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

Larry and Serge had zero interest in a business model or even figuring out something to generate revenue. They were focused in search. The VC required a CEO to provide adult supervision and progress on how they were going to make money. Larry absolutely despised advertising. When someone pitched the idea of AdSense with the auction process Larry finally got interested. There has always been a distinct divide between revenue producing divisions and consumer experience. I really don't see how the government thinks they can spin off all of the advertising from the rest of the company. Government forcing corporations to spin off business units has never been smart. It is political theater because the same shareholders still own the same share of each of the spin offs as they owned of the whole company before. The split up caused each division to be smaller, more efficient and motivated to put perform siblings. At the end of the day the shareholders that are forced to split the company end up making more profit than would ever be possible otherwise. Consider this: Rockefeller publicly thanked SCOTUS for making him extremely wealthy with the breakup. He was right. Also, Google was determined to be an illegal monopoly. The first action the government wants to force is for them to stop paying Apple to use Google as the default. Government wants to punish Google by telling them to stop paying $40 Billion every year like they have for a quarter century. I want to get spanked by the justice department.

[@AriaHarmony]

The problem is that we've become too dependent on google over a couple decades now, so when the bubble bursts...

[@urnoob5528]

@@AriaHarmony idk man just a few changes i dont even use chrome there are many better alternatives than google search the only serious change is youtube

[@clray123]

Anyone who believes in the AI hype bs should remember that in financial markets a lot of money can be "made" (by the right insider people) when the stock prices fall, too.

[@anthonyobryan3485]

@@AriaHarmony Google has two services of use: the search engine and KZbin. Those are the only two things I would notice if all of Alphabet went belly-up tomorrow.

[@Gildermesh]

Free stuff online came to an end when businesses, governments and lawyers got involved, go back to when I started in the late 70's early 80's and you would have known what freedom really was.

[@JdotCarver]

I mean, that's the concept of Supply and Demand. If you went back to prehistoric times, you could lay claim to your "free" land.

[@tech-bore8839]

I mean...Google could've also saved storage by not allowing any videos above 1080p on KZbin. The vast majority of uploaded content doesn't even need 4K, especially if it's just people talking into a camera. Unless you're doing a makeup tutorial, nobody needs to see your face in 4K.

[@pavementstoneguy]

I am one of those guys that used to upload 10 hour loops of the same short clip, usually a modified Spongebob clip, in 1080p just for fun to YT. I should really start doing 4k. Also, don't bother checking my account, it was on a different one.

[@thrivinganarchy5267]

They're trying to do that already I think. They're trying to lock 4k behind KZbin premium for the reason you said.

[@InsideYouTubeMinds]

​@@thrivinganarchy5267ok? Just because you need KZbin premium to view it, doesn't mean it isn't stored on KZbin servers. Doesn't save any more space.

[@Thumper68]

I only watch in 1080 or lower because there’s just no reason for 4k especially makup

[@PenguinCrayon269]

instead of capping resolution. youtube should cap duration. nobody watch 10 hours meme for real.

[@theloststarbounder]

An external HDD of 1TB costs like 60 bucks pay once, have for around 5 years. Get more each salary, put them in a NAS in raid for data redundancy, if you need it on the go use an OS on that NAS, make a VPN, set up the VPN on your phone, access your files from the web UI.

[@flagshipbowtie]

People are duped to believe that free services are cheaper. That's the problem here. There's a global stupdity in this regard

[@mrECisME]

What if your only internet is your phone?

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

@@mrECisME Get a cheap computer and hard drives. Plug your phone into the computer occasionally and download your files to it. That's what I do with all my digital photos. I don't do anything else on the phone but play games, as I don't have a plan on it. I keep the wifi off all the time, so the battery lasts for days. There's probably a KZbin video on how to do this. :)

[@Romashka_Sov]

60 bucks? Man, I just wrote "external ssd hard drive buy" in a search and it showed me a low price of 18.65$, and a high price of 41.69$ Is it how much HDD costs in America?

[@horacewonghy]

@@mrECisMEfind another phones and run docker

[@tatonoot1950]

Having an ad and data transaction network that is so huge that it is causing headaches for lawyers. That is hilarious

[@computerfreakch8912]

That recent plateauing of the storage cost could be due to inflation at least in part.

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

4:55 That chart shows disk storage dropping from 10 billion/TB in 1950 to $100/TB in 2024. In 1960, the largest computers took up 20k sq ft and had 256kb of memory. The largest disk drive at the time was 5MB. I guess the chart is going by cost per mb at that time to get the cost in today's dollars?

[@SocioCenil]

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[@Noname-sp9rr]

Nah I think that chart is showing how much 1TB storage would cost For 1TB storage at that time, you would need multiple data centers which may cost 10 billion

[@cmposting]

yep, for all periods where there simply wasnt a 1TB drive to take a price from, i would presume they took an average-ish drive of the time, calculate price per X unit, and multiply it accordingly

[@Dexter01992]

And they are doing this right in the middle of a nearly global spike increase of cost of living. People won't accept it. Probably not because they don't want it, but simply because companies running everything on subscriptions have pulled the rope too hard already, people are already dropping such services simply because it's too expensive. Ironically, it's all because these companies keep demanding not just "profits", but "record profits" every single year, which is just not sustainable.

[@carlanderson5068]

I'm not so sure the issue is just space. As more and more countries enact data privacy laws it becomes more and more tricky/dangerous to store inactive user data indefinitely.

[@Danieel-ip6hg]

Haven't seen an ad in years, neither on internet or the TV. Sponsored KZbinrs being an exception of course.

[@NicholayN]

For years I've been saying the ad-based model of the internet is not sustainable.

[@bycmozeszymon]

So if google's overwhelming majority of income comes from ad services, then shouldn't we refer to it as a marketing agency instead of a tech company?

[@advil000]

Yes.

[@maalikserebryakov]

No. Marketing as a service is a natural “add on” to any company that gets big.

[@prophetzarquon1922]

Yes. If the majority of a manufacturing company's revenue comes from paper clips, they are a paper clip company. Based on their bottom line, which is what business is all about, Google is in the advertising business, moreso than the tech business.

[@JTient]

Internet ads are effective as junk mail it has the same conversion

[@KettleCookedLays]

Yes bro they deleted my childhood KZbin account because I forgot the name and randomly came across it 4 years later to find it… deleted.

[@Triro]

Yk if ads where less invasive, annoying, and more privacy friendly. I seriously wouldn't mind not blocking them. But no, they are annoying, highly invasive, and not very privacy friendly at all.

[@Coconut-219]

Its funny how many felonies the "personalized ads" industry does; and you would swear the end-result is just the same as just picking ads out of a hat at random.

[@ron6625]

They're doing it to themselves...by not allowing storage space to scale on phones. Most of my cloud data storage is literally phone data backups.

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

Backup on computer hard drives, and you will own control. Every digital photo I've ever taken in the past 25 years is safely backed up on my computer and in multiple locations.

[@Coconut-219]

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 They need to create a better standardized phone memory storage format first.

[@Patchuchan]

They should try deleting some of their old data. Why keep information on people's browsing habits for more than a few weeks or a month or two it's stale and not much use on making ad decisions anyway.

[@yungabilify]

My childhood email was with Comcast. When I was 14 my mom assumed that I didn't use that email anymore and deleted it. When that happened, I forever lost access to my 2007 Steam account, Newgrounds, Skype, forums, etc. that required an email 2fa. I see no issues stripping cloud storage permissions but email deletion is ridiculous

[@vuufke4327]

completely agree removing old emails is understandable but right out removing accounts is outrageous, you never know what those accounts are used for...

[@User_40172a]

F

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

I have always backed up all my emails to my computer. I once had Coastalnet, and then Earthlink, emails that got deleted. I now own my own domain, so my current email address will always be mine to the end. I have every email back to the beginning, 1989, when I got my first IBM PC compatible computer.

[@wmd8840]

This is the 21st century equivalent of moms throwing out old toys, books, etc. without asking the kids if they want them. I lost some beloved 90s possessions this way :(

[@maalikserebryakov]

Seems your childhood was filled with internet stuff. 😊

[@mastersplinter666]

I think it's a good thing. So much is free yet so many companies are bs. Let's go back to the original days without ads

[@yoloswaggins1579]

Time to empty the recycling bin.

[@oz_jones]

This is the best comment I have seen all year.

[@NoEgg4u]

I do not believe that Google is running out of space. I suspect that some new executive bean counter discovered that if they delete all data from accounts that have been inactive for 2 years, they could put off purchasing 10 or so exabytes of hard drives, their associated cooling, electrical costs, RAID enclosures, etc. Or, some executive was tasked with finding cost cutting measures, and she came up with the 2-year inactive plan.

[@SlavTiger]

its a damn shame if dead users get completely wiped, some of the greats are no longer with us and deserve to be preserved, but i do think they need to prioritize what kinds of data is kept long term

[@tylern6420]

​@@SlavTiger just spend a billion on servers whats the issue?

[@admontblanc]

You don't believe it perhaps because you have no idea the size and expense of one single unit of infrastructure built in the physical world to generate more storage data, nor are you likely considering the number of active users on all goolag services. As someone who worked on the construction of one data center for them I can tell you each one is as massive as an auto plant, costs about as much, but they need hundreds, if not thousands around the world in order to maintain storage data available. It's actually sickening how much physical space is wasted on these things, how much pollution and electric consumption to keep the modern internet functioning, and all it will take is some cosmic catastrophe to render it all useless at once.

[@jbird4478]

@@admontblanc 90% of it is probably already useless without the catastrophe. It's not a bad idea to clean it up. Most inactive accounts are probably filled with spam and backups of mp3's that also exist in a 1000 other locations.

[@LarsLarsen77]

@@admontblanc Perhaps you have no idea the size and wealth of google.

[@phxsisko]

What if you go to jail or end up in a long-term coma? Guess that's on you to still make sure you make the data active somehow from these situations.

[@jacktheproslegend]

Also with the beginning of AI, there will be lots of trash filling up all the storage that wont serve any good to ads, so yeah the internet seems to be slowly dying now.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

I couldn't give 2 feces about Google's storage problems. Someone play the smallest violin for Sergey Brin.

[@MrWiseinheart]

🎶 🎵 🎻

[@censoredeveryday3320]

@@MrWiseinheart 🤣

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

The singular is the same as the plural?

[@censoredeveryday3320]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 I have no idea 🤣

[@AS-np3yq]

Sergey went away from google after it started to be woke.. after the google glass breakdown.

[@uniagb]

I'm not surprised that the free age of the internet is coming to an end. It's been nice having it but all great things must come to an end. I'm just curious more than anything to see how the internet will be in 5-10 years time.

[@turtlefrog369]

the "free" age of the internet was govt sponsored to get all your data contextualized.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

I do think the underground/tor websites/fanmade websites will eventually take the place of what once used to be done by the corporate giants....I do think it will get to a certain point where some places require a subscription to stay alive, or pretty much go bankrupt. But one thing's for sure, the internet will still be around, just that the websites will come and go over the years. Wordpress like websites will still be around and new pages pop up all the time, so while the old free stuff used to be there, it'll definitely make a shift back to say the early 2000s when people used to make their own websites and such, either from scratch or be used as merely sharing places. In terms of Tor websites, those would be more of backup websites, but since I haven't used the tor browser in quite some time, I haven't kept up with what TOR has been up to since 2020 of all places.

[@IA07C]

That's impossible, new competitors are always emerging. If google makes its services paid, companies like Microsoft, Yahoo, Proton would automatically take advantage of it to get many users.

[@figlego]

Basically too many dumb people got mad about mean words and businesses tanked themselves trying to appease them.

[@jeffreywj7773]

I personally wouldn't mind if a service like Google became a monthly subscription service, as long as they guaranteed no data collection or ads on anything I viewed or did. I doubt however that would be as profitable as what they have been experiencing up to this point in time. As far as 5 to 10 years out, Internet services will become as screwed up as the Cable TV industry. Paying for pricey packages just to get the half dozen services you want but supporting the two or three dozen you never use. Thanks.

[@staticeleven]

What about the recent ability to for everyone to generate 100x more crap thanks to gen ai. The internet as we know it will become more generated as a whole each year

[@Diogo85]

​@@NerdyNEETEverything how?

[@bbarbiter]

Well google, I think a good way to start is by actually deleting stuff we try to delete

[@RubixCubed3]

NOTHING is free. If the service is free, then YOU are the product.

[@jamesross3939]

Unless it's Microsoft -- you are **both** the product and pay for the OS.

[@KUB-KOB]

Generally true, but not always. you are brushing aside the ENTIRE Opensource / Diy / and open exchange communities. "NOTHING being free" is a mindvirus by the capitalistic thinking mode in the first place, assigning genuinely free stuff "no value".

[@HUEHUEUHEPony]

You pay for it?

[@jamesross3939]

@@HUEHUEUHEPony no I don't pirate it, if that's what you mean. It's in the price of a notebook computer... and I pay OEM price for desktop computers I build.

[@tgheretford]

Actually turns out that even if you buy a TV or a car for example, you're still the product.

[@Blenzo480]

I'm with Terry. 480p 16 color is all we needed.

[@cloudnine5651]

literally false

[@Blenzo480]

@@cloudnine5651 Heretic! But seriously, The standard EGA/VGA 4bit 16 color pallet with dithering, on a 640x480 display, looks completely adequate. Unless you are a technology worshiping idolator. Then nothing is adequate.

[@cloudnine5651]

@@Blenzo480 no it isnt. i grew up using that resolution. its shit. period.

[@Blenzo480]

@@cloudnine5651 Hmm. Sounds like a skill issue. Maybe you were a little "slow," growing up. That's okay. "An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity" - Terry A. Davis

[@cloudnine5651]

@@Blenzo480 imagine being of such low iq, that you think someone not agreeing with you means they are dumber. what a loser hahahahaha

[@BMN_Prime]

They shouldn’t have been storing people’s data’s, mistakes from the past will always haunt a person, no matter if you’re a lone wolf or a global company

[@humblebun639]

Consequences of forcing cloud storage down our throats.

[@washere3955]

True.

[@mgh7634]

User! Store your whole life on our servers! Store your data, your documents, hell store your games. We'll even make game consoles that don't come with local hard drives so you have to save everything on our servers! Hey what happened to all our storage space?

[@bite-sizedshorts9635]

I wasn't forced. I have never used the "cloud," which is someone else's hard drives. I use my own, and I haven't lost a file since my first PC in 1989.

[@v0ldy54]

@@mgh7634 actually games really don't take much space at all, pick Steam for example: back of the envelope calculation, Steam probably needs about 16PB of storage for it's entire game database, with modern drives that's less than 1000 HDDs, at 600$ per HDD that's less than 15.000.000$, which is pennies for a business of that size. Granted, in reality they'll have more than one datacenter + backup copies, so it's way many more drives than that, but game file sotrage isn't that big of a task. The amount of space they use for the save file cloud backup is definitely WAY more than they use for the actual game, just pick Elden Ring for example, it's save file is 30Mb and sold 23.000.000 copies... let's say only 5.000.000 of those copies are on Steam and using cloud backup (it's probably way more than that), that's 150TB of Elden RIng save files alone against 70ish Gb taken up by the game files.

[@humblebun639]

@@bite-sizedshorts9635 Yeah I'm stubborn like that too.

[@ModernProspector]

It's a problem of their own making. If they'd stop gathering every piece of data on their users, it wouldn't be an issue.

[@newfinishautospa]

It’s not due to decreases in add revenue. It’s not due to increases in storage costs. It’s corporate greed being unchecked as usual extrapolated over a period of 20 years.

[@japhethbonnema]

Im old enough to remmeber when google photos had unlimited cloud storage

[@benjaminlynch9958]

Zero chance Google (Alphabet) can divest their advertising business. It’s the engine that drives the entire company, and without that, there’s no Google, KZbin, gmail, or any of their other services. The business simply fails without ad revenue. Also, the value of the advertising part of the business is waaaaay higher than $100B. Google as a company has made > $100B of operating profit (earnings before interest and taxes) in the last 12 months. That’s up over 100% in the last 5 years. Given the growth and the wide competitive moat they have, the ad network is easily worth 20x earnings, and likely more. Back of the envelope math suggests the ad part of the business is worth something north of a trillion. And given that the entire company has a market capitalization of $1.94 trillion as of Friday, a $1 trillion valuation for the advertising part of the business may be conservative.

[@admiralkaede]

yea thats a bad choice google may do bad things but id argue google still does more good then bad every account peoples accounts tie to gmail and the google sign in if google falls apart the destruction could be extreme

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

Fake metrics for fake numbers for a fake narrative everyone already knows is fake. And yet it keeps running on belief. Its like Tinkerbell but less awakening something in me.

[@PdGNL-h1o]

​@@admiralkaedealso how about the benefits of Google Maps with real time traffic or downloaded maps on GPS.

[@titanicisshit1647]

​@@Bobo-ox7fjwtf is that even supposed to mean

[@serzaknightcore5208]

Technically, they wouldn't lose all their revenus. On their services, they would still get the normal client cut, i don't remember how much it is, but i think it's at least 50%. Which is still pretty good, they may need to turn back on some things to cut cost, but they have a lot of solution that are not switching to a suscription model. What they won't have anymore, is their cut on websites that have nothing to do with google.