Gordon Ryan vs Andre Galvao: Breakdown by John Danaher | Lex Fridman Podcast Clips

[@LexClips]

Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4u1k3dtppahY7c Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: John Danaher is one of the greatest coaches and minds in martial arts history.

[@mm111303]

John Danaher is a fascinating person to listen to, not to mention a true gentleman. Love Lex’s exchanges with him and I look forward to many more.

[@flanker909]

"Andre fought bravely, but a strangle does not care how brave you are." - John Danaher.

[@everythingwillbeokkkk]

That’s not what he said? He said that with strangles “it doesn’t matter how brave you are”.

[@therainman7777]

@@everythingwillbeokkkkWow that’s such a huge difference from what OP said 🙄

[@raulnavarrete692]

I would pay to watch 2 cops try and detain Gordon Ryan without weapons

[@ericcoplen3099]

I’ve watched my black belt train with two officers that train with us, took their practice gun from them and they couldn’t stop him. It would take at least 5!

[@andrewrai5752]

Depend if they know how to strike! Two cops who know a bit of grappling but can box will finish Gordon or for that matter anyone else. BJJ, wrestling and most other martial arts teaches you how to fight against 1 person, when you change that equation then the martial art becomes nullified mostly

[@ohurley11]

@@andrewrai5752 100%. Have fun taking someone down with another guy kicking you in the head lol...

[@jerrymorelos6397]

Two would be extremely easy.

[@davidf2244]

@@andrewrai5752 doubtful. Without weapons, I see Gordon targeting one of them, tearing their knee in half in half a second, and then tackling the other one.

[@heartsky]

An extremely careful and exact person with his thinking and speech, and full of good will.

[@djredrover]

Lex, you literally fast-forwarded all the best parts of the match. Thanks for that :D. I was curious to hear Johns thoughts on the 1-2 min prior to Gordon trapping his arm from the back.

[@djredrover]

And you didn't show the part where they hug and talk to each other after the match.

[@sharqway]

"A strangle it doesn't matter how brave you are." - John Danaher.

[@Talos353]

the steroid use in BJJ is just comical at this point

[@leozabo7251]

Couldn’t of said it any better

[@abk5294]

Its great

[@lennieleng9679]

Nothing wrong with going SSJ

[@SenorGrandePP]

They are the only vitamins that work 💊

[@emceesupremejustice]

no one cares lmao

[@rickywoods3101]

I was able to roll with a really high level guy and start from his back , I was able to get the rear naked choke but I couldn't finish him! I literally had a full locked it rear naked choke and held it for a minute or more and still didn't finish . He escaped and destroyed me. I have no idea how he didn't go out !

[@rikkyhernandez6511]

That’s something nobody really talks about either. You gotta be really strong as well as technical to finish even the most simplistic moves on an experienced grappler. I remember my first class of jiu jitsu and how surprising it was to hold my feet together in full guard. Takes a lot of strength and practices It’s things like that you overlook

[@josephwatson7232]

Your elbow probably wasn’t aligned with their chin. It should be relatively easy if you’re doing to right

[@josephwatson7232]

@@rikkyhernandez6511 you’re probably just doing things wrong and using the wrong muscles. In chokes it’s not a how hard can you pull with biceps it’s making their neck carry your weight and using your hands to hold it in place. If you squeeze with muscle you’ll gas out

[@rickywoods3101]

@@josephwatson7232 I had It aligned and sucked in tight, that's what is weird

[@rickywoods3101]

@@rikkyhernandez6511 true, but I'm actually 230 lbs and been body building for over 15 years .

[@jsdevtom]

A true testiment to Gordon's superior reign.

[@jleos0095]

And it’s also worth mentioning his superior steroid cycle.

[@kaibe5241]

@@jleos0095 the heavyweights are all on it.

[@TheTykus]

@@jleos0095 Does the other guy not do the roids?

[@thepineappleexpress2127]

andre is 40yo

[@MrDayday4641]

I love how grown men talk about Gordon Ryan like teenage girls talked about NSYNC! 🤣😂🤣

[@wandersondeoliveira211]

John is by far one of the best instructors to have ever walked on this planet.

[@joshuagould548]

What a love about BJJ, apart from MMA or striking sports, is that there's no puncher's chance. In MMA or striking, there's always a puncher's chance. No boxer, or MMA fighter, should underestimate their opponent too much. One slip up and you'll get Buster Douglas'ed. But in BJJ, assuming things are being taken seriously, the less skilled grappler basically can't win. That's what John was essentially saying here. Gordon Ryan couldn't lose, Andre's defeat was impending, inevitably.

[@pvtparts90]

One of my absolute favorite things that Danaher does in interviews is when he is asked a question and then asks for the question to be made more specific and clear. I'm not sure why... And it also just seems like something I never see anyone else do.

[@cbaldridge24]

Why isn’t this episode showing up in Spotify?

[@teeballpaul]

It’s funny how mma coaches say “there’s no way my fighter can get finished.” This is usually bravado bullshit. But when Danaher says “there’s no way Gordon can get finished” it’s the unequivocal truth.

[@Mikeeee13]

Did I watch the 57 minute clip too? Yeah.

[@Stm-ij8wi]

The question is, how good would Gordon be if he had never met John?

[@Jakelol1980]

Not as good that for sure. Maybe top 100 or something like that.

[@JDP000109]

Gordon has literally said he’ll retire if he loses John

[@stevend481]

John has taught hundreds of people but there's only 1 Gordon! Gordon is special. He has genius fight IQ, fast learner, perfectionist, strong...everything

[@erenjaegerbomb8653]

Was it simply dumb luck they met? Or does showing extraordinary potential lead to meeting the relevant people in one way or another. Would most of us be talking about John here now without Gordon? 🤔

[@JDP000109]

@@erenjaegerbomb8653 john also coached GSP so we would definitely be talking about him lol. Not as much though

[@MrHamncheez]

shout out to FloGrappling, great production, great coverage, great streaming quality

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

There are not many bad arse conversations but this is definitely a bad arse conversation. Stone cold.

[@negringo4470]

Thanks Lex !

[@SofienLetaief]

Super Breakdown =)

[@to8860]

Good stuff!!

[@mustaphad1319]

Did Danaher really just say if he goes to the ground in a bjj match he will lose?

[@UrsoJake]

he said it respectfully and in 500 words 😂🤣🤣

[@israelsrealm]

ADCC isn't limited to BJJ. It's grappling, which includes standing.

[@jeffm9204]

What laptop is he using? Thanks for the help.

[@LC2460]

WeenieX500

[@intikhabkhan3466]

Mr Danaher is so cool and calm Mr Friedman too

[@john_smithchiropractor3931]

Does Danaher wear regular clothes?

[@abk5294]

What's more normal then a rashguard and fanny pack

[@nuitarix8160]

According to Gordan, no. Rashguards 24/7. Even busts out a fancy one for a date...lol

[@bobadicious]

Haha

[@margaretpritchet]

@@nuitarix8160 great rogan episode

[@nuitarix8160]

@@margaretpritchet lol yup

[@urbansamurai261]

For all the guys talking about steroid use this was the first adcc to have a teenage champion and the first to have 2 teens in the finals

[@Brascobadboy]

Juice and youth are lethal

[@SimonPhoenix2022]

Is he wearing a rash guard?

[@MercedesSLSJpak]

Just like the good ol Pride days, ceremony, savagery, and SAUCE! Wish mma was still an ounce as cool as this

[@keithhere5292]

i rolled shirtless on those mats after that match and within a few weeks i had gained 7 lbs of lean mass?

[@drought9359]

New to BJJ this is beautiful watching 🔥

[@RMichaelHimself]

This is premiere KZbin content right here

[@jbmoulin15]

Gordon Ryan’s jiu jitsu is so amazing and an entertaining watch, shame he caries on like he does though. But it was so good to see the respect from after the match, good on him for that

[@jbmoulin15]

Andre seems like the nicest guy too

[@erenjaegerbomb8653]

He never means it, and look at how many fans it has brought in. Mission accomplished

[@therainman7777]

@@erenjaegerbomb8653I don’t think you can slap someone hard in the face and “not mean it.”

[@adamdunbar8260]

Danaher is the teacher you feared the most but learned the most from because he never accepted easy bs answers and challenged you.

[@anthonymagnotta3428]

Say what you want about Gordon… he really does respect the game and legends like Andre Galvao…

[@steveb9525]

Wow incredible

[@kunited9]

Bjj its like a deal with the devil where you sacrifice your ears in exchange foe knowing how to grapple

[@Arguhhh]

This guy ryans head is getting bigger lmao hes on some real heavy stuff 😂😂😂

[@JamesKyujin]

These two are like father and son as to monotonous

[@dhl671]

Very curious of Danaher’s opinion on Gordon Ryan’s steroid use.

[@efwefwerrrrr]

He used to use too

[@dhl671]

@@efwefwerrrrr Danaher did? Seems unlikely as he comes off as very straight and clean.

[@efwefwerrrrr]

@@dhl671 yes when he was a young guy

[@hamzasehavdic]

@@dhl671 straight and clean? definitely not obsessed about being optimal no matter the cost, absolutely

[@tornaclconor5149]

If you know anything about BJJ you know that everybody at the world class level is using steroids. If Gordon wasn't using he'd be the only one.

[@julythrunov]

“Andre fought very bravely” ☠️

[@FR-ty5vn]

Beautiful

[@cootha8631]

At the end of the day it's a 40 year old vs 27 year old.

[@bbnazir]

How is Danaher seeing the screen? Is it a TV, projector how??

[@margaretpritchet]

His third eye. John sees all.

[@itachiuchiha5771]

He can see around corners

[@MrBasjunk]

No doubt that Gordon Ryan is the best in the world by far. But I guess everybody can be submitted at some point….but it’s true nobody thought or believed that Galvao could win this match.

[@suvratpandit5701]

Yep. But it's gonna be a long ass time before Gordon gets submitted. Can't believe he's so far ahead of his competitors in terms of skill , it's ridiculous.

[@kee7678]

King Gordon. GOAT

[@seanmiller7889]

🐐

[@mattvalentine9201]

God damn is Danaher cocky! He’s got a right to be though given the domination.

[@burningdog2]

Watch his interview with Joe Rogan a few years back when he basically mocks Rogan's training quality, even though he's a black belt under Eddie Bravo.

[@Alexidrum]

@@burningdog2 Can you link the video and timeline? thanks.

[@jx9858]

“You’re in shape!! You must be on steroids!!” - fat America

[@erenjaegerbomb8653]

Yeah Andre is just well into neck and trap training 😉 please don't for a second pretend that either of these two grapplers are clean

[@itachiuchiha5771]

Lmaoo are you serious? Andre is in his forties and doesn’t even have a neck from trap size

[@slapshotbigmac822]

@Talos353 you’ve never worked this hard in your life

[@vincecapri1]

The Question?? Whos is chained up in John Danaher basement? Gives me that creepy vibe!!!

[@MercedesSLSJpak]

There are totally valid reasons to dislike Gordon, but the majority of the hate he receives is envy and resentment for his genuine power and skill, and fear before it, because he doesn't fake humility and us normal folk find unmasked power frightening. Bottom line, it's awesome to have an American GOAT who shares his techniques and is singlehandedly uplifting the general skill level in no-gi in a way that affirms there are only two people: the powerful who can impose on others and those who have no choice but to be imposed upon. Having trained for a couple years and watched ADCC live, it literally gave me chills and frightened me to see how easily he dismantled the best of the best...power is beautiful to behold

[@BlockheadJiujitsu]

Wow what a toxic and shallow analysis of power. Please don't share your opinions with any young people and maybe do some therapy.

[@MercedesSLSJpak]

@@BlockheadJiujitsuJesus still loves you, so it's all good fam. 😘

[@Leopar525]

Guns lots of guns

[@mob1974]

I admire gordon for his talents but i cant stand him at the same time

[@nooodls1]

Cus D’Amato shx.

[@sambog2635]

hate way JD tries act like he's some kind of jedi master, who knows all the secrets of the universe.. gordon is full of steroids!!!

[@PhillipGregoryMusic]

And the other guys aren't?

[@sambog2635]

@@PhillipGregoryMusic i didnt say they weren't. that ok with you? or do i need to check with you first before commenting

[@PhillipGregoryMusic]

@@sambog2635 so what's the point of your comment 😂 it's pointless. It's like saying that he's cheating because hes a black belt.

[@dustinmoritz6634]

Gordon is incredible!! Piss off about steroids!! Gordon is a doctor and wish I could get half of the shit hr takes

[@RicStaR2410]

I wonder if BJJ test for steroids yet? Hahahahaha. They don't.

[@JanoyCresva]

If Usada was in grappling, Gordon Ryan would barely hold one title.

[@gordonryan3494]

😂😂😂😂 imagine me grappling everyone else but they can't mask their shit techniques with steroids? Hahajaj I'd love to have everyone compete natural. Also imagine being so stupid to actually think usada doesn't allows ped use lmao

[@krisf4969]

That's BS. Everyone is on steroids in BJJ so it would just even out the field and drop everyone a couple weight classes.

[@dhl671]

@@krisf4969 take it you’re a Gordon Ryan fanboy?

[@krisf4969]

@@dhl671 Nope, just stating the obvious my man.

[@dildobaggins8987]

No it’s just mean the cash cows wouldn’t get tested transparently and there would be even more lies. USADA catches who’s wanted to be caught

[@JamesKyujin]

And this is why I hate point competition. Sub only period.

[@KevinHernandez-qz8sb]

BJJ: half juice, half technique

[@erenjaegerbomb8653]

Tell that to Kade Rutolo dumdum

[@sLiicKt0n3z]

Most intelligent, kindness and relaxed way to say " Andres a bum compared to my boy "

[@berzerkfury1459]

Bullshit Gordan is amazing at bjj but its at a point where his reputation is winning for him. Everyone is either too afraid or overly respective (same thing I guess). Craig almost got him in an armbar and id argue he was afraid to break it. When someone steps up that believes in themself more than Gordan the king will fall.

[@themartian7121]

Well said! The problem is the reputation. Just think about the dude that lost in 11 second.. that same dude won the Brazilian trials... and that's an incredible feat! There's no way he should have beaten him in 11 seconds. Even I (60 yr old) will not lose to Gordon in 11 seconds! 😜 In fact, I may even beat him!

[@gra5223]

You clearly don’t know anything about jiu jitsu. Let me guess, you’re a big Conor McGregor fan🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@themartian7121]

@@gra5223 Guess you know more than me about Jits. I have been a paid referee at comps. Competed at national level in my country and am a 2nd degree BJJ black belt. I totally agree with the previous dude and know for a fact that the mental aspect is at least 40% of an encounter!

[@erenjaegerbomb8653]

What exactly is 'bullshit' here?

[@Brascobadboy]

Lol Ok

[@baronsamedi5224]

The level of PEDs that was in this match is insane

[@israelsrealm]

Welcome to BJJ Lol

[@ratius1979]

Zzzz

[@documentthedrama8279]

Lex is such a clown. shfity eyes, always. fast forwarding constantly instead of enjoying the honor of letting John go through the entire match.... possibly the most important match in BJJ history just a terrible human being

[@amirshuker6764]

Most boring sport to watch

[@lenseofclarity9997]

Seriously? I guess if a person has no substantial understanding of a subject then that subject might appear boring. The two men competing here and the two talking not only understand the combat and competition aspects of this experience, they all have a superb insight into the philosophical and developmental aspects of training in this type of activity. There is little or no room for pretence or nonsense. The "honesty" of this type of experience can only truly be understood by those that have faced it. John, Lex, Andrea, Gordon: I salute them all for who they are and what the do. Good luck to you sir on your own journey. I genuinely hope you have an opportunity for similar insights. Perhaps then you might see what they do as far more than purely a mode of entertainment for the hungry masses. Entertainment is certainly a part of it. But the depth, authenticity and complexity is the essence of it : not it's value as a form of entertainment.

[@bobadicious]

Na it's physical chess but you gotta know some BJJ to appreciate it

[@misevibre]

@@lenseofclarity9997 LOL, a regular person is not willing to sacrifice time of their life to learn this shit in order to understand basic things...Do you really think that people have a deep understanding of Soccer (most people who watch it)? It's a simple enough sport for the masses to understand and complex enough for the experts to have something to talk about. It' also not 2 roided out weirdos rubbing each other on the ground, either (which is what the untrained eye sees). This shit puts a lot of high level grapplers to sleep sometimes, let alone a regular person. The general look of it is ass, too. BJJ is a TERRIBLE spectator sport.

[@lenseofclarity9997]

@@misevibre Those are interesting points. Perhaps you're correct. Perhaps partially correct. Perhaps shift in perspective is what we all need to understand the view and opinion of others.

[@gra5223]

Why tf are you here then? Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[@themonaghan999]

Connor McGregor should hire Gordon and teach him

[@gra5223]

McGregor’s got a left hand, a big mouth, and no heart. How many years since he won a fight?

[@Dekibtw]

@@gra5223 No heart? LOL, STFU

[@paulrobinson3534]

Headline should read "Steroids. Who did it better"?