Gorilla vs Lion vs Bear: Who Wins? | John Danaher and Lex Fridman

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[@LexClips]

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[@TheChipMcDonald]

Never go.... full Joe Rogan.

[@jd-ev1bw]

Great analysis. Two points about lions though that seemed to be overlooked - 1) lions typically hunt in packs so the generalisation that they can single-handedly take down large prey may be overstated, and 2) it's often not the male lions that hunt but the females, so their application of hunting practice in a combat situation may also be overstated.

[@HigherPlanes]

In a fight to the death, intelligence doesn't matter. Exhibit A: Tyson vs Einstein

[@Desporado6969]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fauwdGp_jtmVb7M Quite interesting counter points here

[@mikhailsharon4331]

This is AMAZING!

[@jl3187]

Finally after all these years the internet has produced the discussion that addresses the question that it was ultimately created to answer. Thank you, Lex.

[@bigmaryhelen]

This question was answered over a century ago at brutal circuses put on for gold miners in the US. Grizzlies always won.

[@74357175]

@@bigmaryhelen which combination of animals?

[@user-ic1lo9wh5f]

@@bigmaryhelen a polar bear would kill a grizzly easily

[@FuriousImp]

42

[@Devineintention]

@@bigmaryhelen Brown bears make up the diet of Siberian Tigers in Russia.

[@KevinKirchman]

Lex fighting harder for the gorilla than the gorilla would for itself.

[@scotiacrumpler2824]

🤣😂

[@zeeshantar1q]

Haha

[@29memyselfandi]

😅

[@MrCmon113]

Yeah, they're not even in the same league. Gorillas get eaten by leopards.

[@mrt445]

Lol

[@sunshizzleyou]

This could literally go down as a top 5 podcast discussion in the history of podcasts.

[@jimmywest2501]

Absolutely. It's amazing.

[@tadeuszmullins6352]

Just finished watching it and want to watch it again

[@egdccorp]

Lol 😆

[@ernestosandoval7113]

What would be the other 4? - DLR @JRE on writing songs has to be there

[@1vladbara]

without a doubt, without a doubt

[@GhostradamusX]

Hippo is just sitting over there in the water, as once again one of the most underrated killers on earth.

[@horismainza7808]

What is your point?

[@apc9714]

​@LionHeart1989KingOfBeasts If it's one against one the African elephant would win against any land animal, but as for fighting it makes more sense to talk about carnivors

[@HELMBREAKER47]

Orcas…orcas will kill any of these

[@solaydbak]

⁠from land? Hahaha. Go play somewhere 😂😂😂😂

[@drew004jc]

and the mosquito just laughs

[@jeffreyharris3440]

This is the most Joe Rogan conversation a conversation can possibly be, without actually having Joe Rogan.

[@Bigbanks589]

They had this exact conversation on the joe rogan podcast Grizzly wins all day

[@flingalblargen]

they even got a bald guy

[@horacio-ho3bf]

​@@Bigbanks589definitely.....giant claws, teeth, bite force, resistance to injury wins the day....for the most Rogan, useless, and dumb question on the interweb

[@Bigbanks589]

@horacio-ho3bf lol definitely rogan had a wildlife expert and gorillas are basically useless bc they can't handle predators that see them as prey. Leopards will kill gorillas every now and then even. Grizzlys are Insane, they grow up fighting and boxing other grizzlies, can weigh over an actual Ton

[@David-h1f4r]

When animals like these are Healthy . There is recorded on a few occasions a 700 pound male Lion has Killed Grizzlies over 100p pounds . Tiger's have broken Buffalos with one hit and estimated 10,000 pounds of force . No Gorilla's gonna survive a attack from Lion , Tiger , Leopard , Jaguar, ,Puma , Polar Bear, Brown Bear,, Sloth Bear ,, Black Bear. Leave Gorilla's alone... They have been having to survive Man maid wars , Greed . Peaceful animals that deserve peace and relaxation 😀

[@Siberian_valenok]

I spent 6 years in university and this is by far the most insightful conversation between two PhDs.

[@sid6554]

Lex sounded like a dumbass. Every assertion wasade with much confidence but completely off mark. Most off the data he "researched" (like gorillas can lift 10x more than their bodyweight, and 2-3x more than bears can is completely wrong)

[@fingerpickinggood]

Danaher doesnt have a Phd. He never finished his thesis on epistemology.

[@ryanmcginness2888]

@@fingerpickinggood Uswer name check out bro.

[@qwerty6574]

This is all we talked about in grad school

[@dennisthemenace855]

@@fingerpickinggood he has a PhD in BJJ

[@jonevans870]

I love that Danaher already knows all these stats about animals and a whole philosophy on combat/war. Of course he does.

[@redsnflr]

I bet he uses it similar to how some actors will imitate animal mannerisms for roles (ex. Brando inspired by gorillas for Street Car, Jim Carrey with birds for Ace Ventura), John probably tries to see movements and techniques that could be tested in his classes.

[@Wolfci]

And gorilla does that with only eating leafs

[@ciaranlogue2310]

He got a few things wrong, but he's knowledgeable enough. Grizzly wins all day long though.

[@out_of_orbit1968]

@@ciaranlogue2310 yeah facts. Bears are built different. Lions might be courageous, but that bravery won't help in an actual fight with a starving raging grizzly/polar bear.

[@1vladbara]

😂😂😂

[@dillsmacker2446]

“He can’t do a double leg he’s got 4 fuckin legs” 😂😂

[@RobTi]

This was fucking hilarious. I love how John assesses each animal's strengths and weaknesses and lays concise arguments for each matchup, while Lex, with childlike enthusiasm bombards him with questions using fantastical scenarios. This was one of the most entertaining, and unironically, one of the most engaging conversations I've heard in a long time.

[@almac9203]

Needs Joe Rogan!

[@txivneebswafflesandshroom]

Gay

[@eyeseewho77]

I don’t remember the last time I laughed like this

[@hakaishinkage9899]

@@txivneebswafflesandshroom your wife's your husband

[@Antid0te87]

completely agree! hilarious

[@allyjhughes]

This might be the best conversation I’ve ever listened to.

[@salohcin1013]

Two highly educated, eloquent intellectuals discussing animal fights like total bro dudes. This brought me so much joy.

[@harulem]

Might? Might?? It absolutely is you mean 😆

[@abil3362]

LOL 100% but being from Canada I put my money on the bear. There's videos online that a black bear killing a lion. And a black bear is a bitch compare to a kodiak grizzly

[@cipherion]

@@abil3362 agreed and male grizzlies have killed many formidable female grizzlies

[@Michaelfourfour]

@@abil3362 I agree A Bil.

[@LOVESPACEDREAMS]

Almost 40 minutes of discussion for this very important topic. Lex, you continue to be on the forefront for thought-provoking and valuable discussions.

[@StanHowse]

Really not though.. Not with this topic. Ever hear the expression, "The Simpsons did it!"? That's been done before, ask the ancient Romans. No thought-experiment there, they actually threw predators in the ring to fight to the death.

[@crxtodd16]

@@StanHowse Okay, they probably did, but what were the results? I doubt you know.

[@mbuckholz]

@@StanHowse who wins then smart guy?....

[@pigs6486]

And they forgot about the snake too

[@petarangelov2416]

@@mbuckholz The bear.

[@imghoti]

I'm quite shocked that they didn't really address Defense. The bear's loose skin and fatty deposits offers great protection against claws and teeth, whereas the lean build of the lion and ape make them extremely vulnerable to the bears claws.

[@arazhajiyev236]

they have no idea what they are talking about. If they saw this video they would never even think to compare a bear to a lion kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZTGe5mkm6t_eZI

[@imghoti]

@@arazhajiyev236 Damn! Thanks for that. Where I live in Alaska we have many many bears, especially when the salmon are running. It's not unusual to see scores of bears feeding a the weir gate here in Valdez. I've seen many fights but nothing, nothing like this!

[@Wxpt1010]

Cats have loose skin. Bears are more durable because they have more fat & thicker fur but cats have loose skin too. That's how they can fight & hunt without injury. Apes however have tight skin, so the gorillas are toast lol

[@imghoti]

@@Wxpt1010 I agree 100%!

[@kenmasters5384]

Lions have a thick and long mane that protects the head, neck, back, chest and part of the abdomen.

[@JetConvoy]

I 100% did not want this conversation to end. The way Danaher discusses various things is so satisfying and eye opening.

[@dewinmoonl]

yeah, they didn't even get into tigers and python lol

[@JakeKoenig]

@potatopower2144 A "fascinating thinker" who spent 37 minutes debating whether an animal over 1000 pounds with a much thicker hide and 4" claws would defeat a lion or gorilla, and then he still got the answer wrong.

[@antoniochabrier]

Despite all of Lex's amazing conversations and guests, this is probably going to be his most popular video ever. And he'll love it.

[@Mggggssss]

In just here to say “ HI MOM”

[@egoworks5611]

YEAH COMPLETELY

[@jeffjames3111]

I hope so, hilarious and loved the chemistry between them. They both seem like such lovely people.

[@NamelessFG]

It will definitely not be his most popular video.

[@junedsayed]

One of the best podcast ever !!!

[@josephlevine3045]

I feel like John Danaher would happily analyze ANY question that involves combat, for hours.

[@Norwegian733]

But he is wrong....

[@guntertorfs6486]

And not come to any credible solution. Obviously the bear easily wins. One paw behind the back.

[@jt-el8540]

Not modern combat lol

[@TheChokofant]

One paw behind the back 🤩

[@jtzoltan]

​@@Norwegian733how is he wrong, he gave a good, qualified answer... he gives advantage to the lion to win or at least chase off the bear if it's a fight in the wild, while if it's a fight staged in the arena, he gives the bear the advantage.

[@Bosley-qh7fw]

Gorilla and Lion are getting fucking rocked.

[@vajrananjig6917]

Lion focks 20+ hyena at once lion will dominate all of predators

[@1gbayfisher]

​@@vajrananjig6917 no mam. The bear will fuck them all up at the same time, mo comparison.

[@mjherrera100]

Grizzly ​@@vajrananjig6917

[@ULIEINTOME]

Amur Tigers are known to hunt grizzlies.. too many videos of tigers fucking lions up online… gorilla stands no chance

[@crystalz-h1d]

@@vajrananjig6917lion is nothing compared to a bear 🤣

[@FatNinjaTurtle]

I love how Lex is slowly embracing the “bro” side of his personality

[@mikhailsharon4331]

Bruh.

[@R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford]

On the topic of bear vs lion this question has been answered, and John was heading in the right direction, but not far enough. During the California gold rush there were animal fights set up to entertain prospectors. The audience quickly got tired of the bears easily killing everything put before them, caribou, bulls, etc. So they shipped in African lions as they thought they might have a chance, and while they looked and sounded impressive, the bears easily crushed their skulls, and the lions had no way of attacking the bears effectively. A bear's hide and bones are both far too thick for a lion to damage them significantly. Also John needs to respect moose more, a moose is significantly scarier than a cape buffalo. Cape buffalo are herd animals, scared of being isolated, always looking for safety in numbers, a moose can and will charge an adult male salmon fed kodiak bear without a second thought if it looks at it sideways.

[@davidb9201]

Finally, the correct response. I can now rest easy.

[@mikemoriarty6061]

Dear Reginald Benedict Victor Hugo Ashford, I appreciate your educated response based on data rather than imaginative hypotheticals. John brought up the data point that the Roman’s reported that a tiger (which outweighs a lion significantly), would kill a lion. However the matchup of a costal brown bear (i.e. Grizzly) vs a Siberian tiger was not discussed. If John gave a slight edge to the grizzly over a lion, but we know a tiger beats a lion, what would win between a tiger and grizzly? Thank you in advance for your thoughtful response. It will certainly allow me to sleep. Cordially, Mike

[@R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford]

@@mikemoriarty6061 I think a large male kodiak bear would still beat a large male siberian tiger. The strength difference between them is just too great I think. The heaviest siberian tigers are only just barely the same weight as the very smallest male kodiak bears. But the largest Kodiak bears are more than twice the weight of the largest siberian tigers. You wouldn't expect a 60kg man to have a chance against a 120kg man in a fight given a similar amount of training and musculature, I don't see why it wouldn't hold true for these animals either.

[@beneficent2557]

Siberian Tiger

[@beneficent2557]

Also remember Brown Bears out competed the American Lion.

[@binhhuynh5979]

LMAO. I love this. A discussion only 2 guys would engage in for an entire half hour! 😂

[@zfelps]

ANY dude will have this conversation over and over.

[@JakeKoenig]

Only two MORONS would discuss this for 37 minutes. A grizzly would annihilate a gorilla or lion in any environment. They're over twice as large, have thicker hide, their claws are 3x longer than a lion's claws, and gorillas have no claws at all. This was the dumbest debate I've ever heard. You might as well argue over who would win a fight between a saltwater croc and a monitor lizard.

[@demonichunter7925]

​@@zfelpspreach

[@mannutdutd]

In the interest of actual reality… many dudes would have no interest in this whatsoever, and plenty of female humans would (and did) find this brilliant to listen to and discuss

[@Fantastic_Six]

It was kind of disappointing tho ngl. I would have thought jon would have known how easily a Bear will kill a lion or tiger

[@Mc.Knight]

This is the most entertaining conversation I have seen in a long time. Two underrated intellectuals pitting their (clearly) childhood animal heroes against each other. You’re a one of a kind podcaster Lex. 👍🏽✨

[@ruiyurra4996]

Literally, I thought I was the only one, but we men are all the same, we all have childhood animal heroes😂😂😂😂Lion’s been mine, so I get I little triggered when I hear guys saying a tiger would beat a lion😂but it’s all love

[@WizardOfMoss]

I love that this is a 40-minute serious discussion on this.

[@aleksandre9711]

Why shouldn't there be?

[@thenativist6330]

Could’ve been answered in two minutes.

[@h0tar]

@@thenativist6330 Not if you're a sane person.

[@kingofkings69ner]

Could have been answered in a second

[@thenativist6330]

@@h0tar🤓

[@BPGringo]

I love the fact that, setting aside his deep knowledge of all martial arts, John Danaher can also drop facts about animal biology, size, and strength like he does it every day.

[@humility-righteous-giving]

a gorilla CANNOT lift 10x its weight,its pure prapaganda that has been repeated so much that its believed true, i would bet it can't lift even 5x its weight, gordon ryan beats a chimp easy, chimps destroy their owners who are untrained and not ready for it, an average male chimp is 100 lb and p4p 1.5 x stronger then man, at 217 gordon is stronger, he can train for a chimp watching their fights

[@nkxseal8398]

Ya ive heard from a couple people that he has a pretty good knowledge base on a vast majority of subjects, Gordon spoke on it the first time on rogan i believe.

[@aurochsxx5932]

Only thing he missed is how thin and tightly fixed in place gorilla's skin really are compared to Lion's and bear's loose flexible skin meaning gorilla's skin wont protect anything beneath in fighting against claws scenario, while lion's skin move with the opponent's claws upon impact which causes less tear one and second since the skin moves upon impact anything beneath will not recieve traumatic full impact of the blow and so less likely to tear

[@DonHousiferBMI]

This is either the most hilarious scientific discussion I've ever heard, or the world's most patient stand up routine 😂 Thank you Lex

[@icecubes_for_the_boiling_frogs]

I may be late to the party, but here's something to consider. Asian bears fight and kill tigers in around 40% of attacks. And tigers were known to kill lions in the Roman colosseum. The north American grizzly is 3 times the size of Asian bears. Lions form of attack is the neck, grizzlies have extremely loose skin on their necks. Lions are pack hunters, that's why they can take down such formidable prey. They might be more bold because of that fact, but being bold without backup is a sure fire way to lose in one on one combat. Grizzlies being solitary animals makes them much more defensive in a fight. Bottom line is, one on one, no animal on earth beats a grizzly consistently in a fight situation. Including humans.

[@Bellasrius]

Tiger were not known for killing lions in Rome. There’s 0 historic evidence for that claim. The claim comes from poems & marshals independent account of a tiger killing a lion. Which He labelled as “shocking” which tells us that it was an unusual scene & lions were always the expected winners.

[@Mrdoodiehead007]

Except Chuck Norris. Everyone and everything Bows Down to Chuck Norris

[@snatchhog]

Elephant? Rhinoceros? Hippopotamus?

[@joefries365]

This comment 100% right

[@junior1321]

Except for a polar bear 🐻‍❄️

[@slip-n-slide4807]

"Theres a bunch of bitch ass gorillas walking around" 😂 Poor Lex really likes his gorillas

[@jg8063]

I love how John knows every aspect of the animals

[@UserName-ii1ce]

*John danaher voice* there's no penguins in the north pole..

[@cipherion]

Male grizzlies sometimes kill females defending their cubs

[@AXharoth]

no pinguins in the north pole , i didnt even know smh

[@4D2M0T]

He believes he does. Confidence is not the same as knowledge

[@efwefwerrrrr]

But he doesn't engage we with Joe gorilla Rogan

[@visamahmed9740]

Lex was too funny with his hypothetical what ifs .... he was like a kid asking wild questions 😂😂😂

[@alexdesantis5306]

I swear this is exactly how I would be asking this guy questions too tho

[@FreshManny209]

Lmao seriously. Ok what if the gorillas had access to a gun? And since they have thumbs they can wield that weapon and presumably use it

[@alexwymore]

@@FreshManny209 I would have loved if he asked about training. With the gorilla's only advantage apparently being intelligence and tool use, could a human possibly teach one how to make and use rudimentary weapons?

[@FreshManny209]

@@alexwymore now we're talking. How much preparation does the gorilla have for this battle

[@AlexWallaceAudio]

“I don’t think you’re being open minded enough” 🤣

[@madness781]

I dont know why but when John said " Whats Gordan going to do? A double leg? Its got 4 fucking legs!" i spit my water out laughing!

[@nowawakened1720]

5 😂

[@pastrie42]

When John corrects him on the size of the animals I legitimately started laughing because I thought he was joking at first and then I realized he wasn’t.

[@brianl.7694]

I think they call this meta-comedy. Not sure. Whatever it is is hilarious to us. "Let's all laugh together,"--Lex, probably. Were Lex's parents Superman fans? Why does he have a stripper name? "Lex? Yeah, two lap dances in booth 4."

[@ilyadratutin6385]

@@brianl.7694 u bein bambozeled

[@tracewaybos]

"I guarantee you in the dark of the night there was an epic battle of which there's still legend amongst the bears" - that line slayed me. Thank you for the laugh Lex, and this EPIC conversation.

[@rokavsic]

Its the battle between the Khabib and Bear

[@ben_west]

i mean... if they were fighting in octagons the bear could have seen some shit there...

[@Mackcolak-xf5bk]

Here are some key takeaways from the conversation between Lex Fridman and John Danaher about who would win in a fight between a grizzly bear, silverback gorilla, and lion: - They discuss the importance of several factors like intelligence, weight, strength, bite force, claws, aggression, etc. Danaher argues you can't just rely on intuitions about which is most formidable. - Danaher outlines his framework for evaluating combat effectiveness based on skills, attributes, experience, and specific elements like ability to initiate, disengage, endure fights, and efficiently finish opponents. - He argues gorillas, though strong, have little real combat experience compared to lions who regularly take down very dangerous prey like cape buffalos. Leopards have even been documented killing gorillas. - For lion vs bear, he believes neither could easily kill the other - lions can't strangle bears who can stand up, and bears can't easily pin lions. It would come down to endurance which favors the bear, but lions are less risk-averse. - In a neutral cage fight, Danaher slightly favors the bear over the lion due to size/endurance, but in the wild the lion would likely intimidate a risk-averse bear. - Danaher clearly believes the lion is overall the most effective combatant compared to a silverback gorilla or grizzly bear due to skill, experience, aggression, intelligence, etc.

[@nathanprindler]

Good summary, thanks!

[@SuperThesavage]

leopards documented killing gorillas is based on gorilla in leopard scat, which could be from many things....a ambush on a sleeping gorilla, an infant, a wounded gorilla many factors. God I would love to see more stuff on Gorillas, how they actually look using full force in a fight, because when they fight with other gorillas from what i understand they arent using full strength at all I wonder what their strategy would be, when they flail their arms they dont look that crazy powerful but that could be me being stupid, if they could direct a full force punch like a human they could obliterate a lot of animals easily. If they could grapple another animal and get a solid bite its game over with a bite force like that, if somehow a gorilla was trained in a grappling form god they would be insane with their build

[@syedshakaibanwar2698]

@@SuperThesavage Not at all, Silverbasck bodies have also been found.

[@TheFriendlyPsychopath]

Thanks

[@Daewonnni]

Saved me 35min. Thanks.

[@Michael-kf6bc]

This was easily one of the most entertaining Lex podcasts I've seen. John had me rolling.

[@NelsonDellis]

I'm most impressed with John's off-the-cuff level of knowledge of the animal kingdom. WOW.

[@chalkandcheese1868]

And most of its bullshit lol.

[@BigballsTerrence]

​@@chalkandcheese1868 Not really from what I've listened so far.

[@chalkandcheese1868]

@@BigballsTerrence Most of his "research" comes from looking at KZbin videos, and most of what he was saying is rubbish.

[@iandunathan3704]

Doesn't hurt that he is also a master of combat.

[@chalkandcheese1868]

@@iandunathan3704 That doesn't mean shit.

[@SensorySymposium]

"What if it's not a flexible bear?" had me laughing more hysterically than it should have.

[@alphonsis6183]

"He would think you're a penguin. (But polar bear) ... there are no penguins in the north pole." lol great stuff Lex love it

[@ronaldp.vincent8226]

I love how Danaher’s off the cuff response is more thorough than anyone could prepare days in advance lol

[@shredseeker8420]

We all knew Danaher is the ultimate fight mastermind. But after watching him use logic, knowledge and extrapolation the way he did on this topic, and breaking down a hypothetical fight between animals of different species, holy f***, this man is a Jedi Master. I’ve rarely seen such a coherent breakdown / thought process from anyone on any topic, let alone the one topic we want to hear about more than whether aliens exist or not 😂. Seriously, this man is a freakin Jedi Master.

[@SilasLauzon]

Lol facts

[@pcp2522]

100%. Mans a wizard

[@Whotfiskyy]

Jedi master

[@JoeyNTasha]

He is deep into philosophy and combat sports.

[@lerch400block]

Yep, pretty much

[@fennecbesixdouze1794]

My favorite moment was John cold dead-eyed "there's no penguins in the north pole".

[@1984isnotamanual]

There is no anything that far north I thought.

[@craigrussell3062]

@@1984isnotamanual Penguins only live in the south pole, polar bears only live in the north pole. The two species have never met except at a zoo

[@ruiyurra4996]

Interesting

[@johndoe-px2ti]

I’ve wished for an intellectual internet conversation covering this exact topic for years. Finally!! Thank you gents. Informative, and equally humorous

[@Joshwaheazo]

Circuses for US gold miners already put these fights on. Grizzlies always won. We have known the answer for at least 200 years 🤭.

[@kyley961]

I could listen to Danaher talk about about violence all day.

[@timw4432]

Hilarious convo. Zero surprise that John has thought deeply about all of these scenarios 😂

[@crakhaed]

What a legend

[@thecspot1387]

This was an amazing convo. Lex had me dying laughing with his anti lion pro gorilla stance.

[@zafran20]

Then realises a gorilla stands no chance and resorts to bear vs lion haha😂

[@jcjcviews]

Could you mark the time when this occurs?

[@kiss_my_axe]

@@jcjcviews20:25

[@1984isnotamanual]

We Great Apes have to stand up for eachother ya know

[@alinvid6098]

Yeah he was almost in tears 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@masihjackson2173]

One of the best ones ever, my god. Starts off slow but then it just Takes Off into a stream of information and visuals. Informative, inspiring and hilarious at the same time.

[@wishwaraich9999]

The most entertaining way to tell someone what your favorite animal is .

[@HaloJumper7]

A robot talking about mammals is always top-tier.

[@mercantilistwhomper5180]

When it came to Gordon fighting a bear, i started to cry laughing. More discussions like this please.

[@tullymunro7696]

You don't think there's any ground position? Haha

[@OracleTheRonin]

@@tullymunro7696 xDD no human can defeat a fully healthy grizzly bear with their bare hands

[@kaansenyavuz7761]

what is he gonna do? a heel hook? :DD made me cry

[@Sasquatch10]

I need a Danaher podcast where each episode he breaks down a hypothetical fight between two animals.

[@b.newsome8696]

I would pay to subscribe to this. Seriously

[@brianl.7694]

Badger versus Wolverine 6' x 6' cage.

[@clydepratt250]

The ability to defend an attack and prevent taking damage is a huge advantage in a fight also!

[@willbart1236]

What started out as a question that you would probably hear in a middle school cafeteria by some boys, turned into a very enlightening and educational episode. Great job.👍🏻

[@NPFfumbi]

A man of culture

[@Ln-cq8zu]

Nothing wrong with knowing the strength and cunning of grizzly, Tiger, or gorilla, who knows when we might find ourselves in front of any of them! 😂

[@mrstarbuck9212]

I was watching comments for years since 2006 on youtube. I can tell you that lions fans they hate Tigers fans more than democrats hate MAGA. Im serious.

[@richardruss30]

I've waited my whole life to hear an in depth discussion like this😂

[@AngladaFamilia]

I've watched this twice and it's just as good the second time around. John to Lex, "The bear would think you were a penguin" had me rolling!😂😂😂😂

[@MS-ho9wq]

This ended on the perfect note. Whoever cut it right there is a legend.

[@shanerubin4615]

This has got to be the best podcast episode ever. Gets better the longer you watch. Ending is classic but you have to watch it all. 😂😂😂

[@skeres01]

I started off listening to this question thinking how ridiculous and silly it was. As the conversation evolved it was clear this conversation was about gaining an insight into how John Danaher's tactical mind works. Such a great conversation about something I would have otherwise thought mundane. Very entertaining thank you.

[@Rowlph8888]

Joe Rogan has been seething ever since he Found out that this discussion took place without him

[@bobdole7292]

Tactics are irrelevant. Even if the gorilla is twice as smart as either of the other, it’s not smart enough to override its biology and not go “apeshit” Despite being stronger, it’s not going to plan or strategize. It’s going to run in like it does vs other gorillas and it’s going to get mauled.

[@topsecret5110]

My friend, a man is always still a man. This was a conversation about Gorillas Vs Lions Vs Bears 😂

[@davidbetts2980]

I love how detailed John's response is to the question, he's actually researched this before 🙂

[@corepuncher]

What a focused, 100% on-point podcast. I was engaged every millisecond.

[@Frip36]

Lex fans are an interesting breed.

[@David35687]

Yeah, I liked the point about fighting in the wild favoring the lion, versus fighting inside a cage which would favor the bear. That was a good one.

[@jdfehrenbach]

This guy made it way more complex than it needed to be.

[@jasongilder22]

No, it’s because it’s complex

[@PhilosoFox]

I can only worship John Danaher for being educated, analytical, reasonable, sociable and truthful to the max - and funny to listen to on top of it. All hail to the coach of coaches!🙏

[@Capjedi]

I love how John instantly answers, "You're f*cked, go for the lion. He'll kill you quick." No hesitation.

[@Joshwaheazo]

I think a tiger would kill you faster than a lion. A lion would kill a tiger though. Way more endurance and durability.

[@ennuiii]

​@@Joshwaheazohard disagree, Solo a tiger decimates a lion. Bigger, faster, stronger, more bite force, and better hunting tactics

[@Joshwaheazo]

@@ennuiii Well it's been done in fucked up circus for miners in the states hundreds of times. Grizzly > Lion > tiger. Grizzly never lost, lion about 70% over the tiger. Don't have to agree it's been a fact for like 2 centuries.

[@loganksu8981]

@@Joshwaheazothe biggest lion species loses against a mid tier tiger 7/10 times. Siberian Tigers challenge Brown bears

[@tylerswhorkshoppe8799]

Tiger 6:50

[@arthurmiller9434]

I viewed a youtube clip of a lion hunting safari; it wounded a large male lion who retreated into thick under brush. The hunters were working the perimeter to flush it out. The lion was invisible to them. Suddenly, the lion rush out charging directly at one of the hunters. In a flash, the lion closed the distance and leaped at the hunter who fired his rifle and missed. The male lion is fearless. It’s amazing the hunter survived.

[@garycarfagno7910]

John's reaction to every absurd question from Lex about Gordon is pure entertainment. I am laughing out loud about John's obvious horror to a chimp killing Gordon. This is great stuff.

[@WhosHarryCrumb]

I’m sorry, I’m putting my money on Brock lesnar fighting a chimp. And if he can’t do it, bring in Mankind

[@danielmarshall4587]

Me too, great vid.

[@nunya3399]

The end.. “yea morons”. I died.

[@zy9662]

The "human ego" Lex got big for Lex even posing those absurd questions

[@WhosHarryCrumb]

But back to the main debate. - now training would benefit all 3 animals , but don’t we think that if the gorilla trained with Brock lesnar for like 6 months that he would gain some technique for his 4000lb benchpressing strength and be able to stun the bear or lion and then literally snap their limbs to incapacitate them? Again. That nullifies the complete scenario, but I think it’s interesting

[@majornewb]

Lex, a physics PhD, asking the important questions in life

[@christopherharvey4849]

Interestingly enough John is either a PHd recipent or was compiling a thesis in Philosophy.

[@npmerrill]

We all need to at least occasionally keep in touch with the 13-year-old boy inside each of us.

[@angelcorrea985]

A PHD is an Academic degree. So he's not a scientist in the field physics... that degree would land you a academic job. So this is probably more lucrative and is still within the field of his credentials. Discussion is ecacly what his degree Qualifies him for. A lot of people do not understand what a PHD is.

[@rotihit]

He is not a Physics Ph.D.. He has a Ph.D. in Computer Science (and it has nothing to do with MIT).

[@rotihit]

Danaher on the other hand is a Philosophy Ph.D. from Columbia. He is a savant. JD is in reality what JR and his "type" pretend to be on podcasts.

[@bobibest89]

Let's be realistic here... A fully grown brown bear (Kodiak for example) weighs 2 times more than a lion or a tiger and 3 times more than a guerilla. Bears are also very good at wrestling. Have you ever seen a bear fight? They are much much faster and agile than most people think because it is counterintuitive for an animal this heavy and full of muscle to be agile, but they really are. There is no realistic way for a tiger to quickly kill a big bear. The bear is too tough, its nech is too thick, its body will withstand the swipes of the tiger. The fight will very quickly turn into a wrestling match. The bear will simply overpower and outlast the tiger. Bears can fight each other for a long time. Fights between big cats usually only last seconds and they are exhausted. Bears are built like bulldozers. They can take a lot more damage and deliver a lot more damage that a big cat or a primate can. A gorilla doesn't have the weapons, experience, size and killing instinct to win a fight vs a big bear (or a big cat). The lion and tiger would turn into kuddly kittens when confronted with a much bigger and much tougher predator like a bear. A full-grown male bear (Grizzly, Kodiak or Polar) will absolutely devastate everything else.

[@MrIsaacsjordan]

100%.

[@mhaenke]

Absolutely, also bringing up bears not engaging a wolverine is not a valid argument…look what small weasels let alone honey badger (still smaller than wolverine) does to packs of lions. Also there are instances of smaller Asian brown bears driving Siberian tigers off their kills to n the wild…the rock paper scissors of intimidation in the wild seems a different matter than who kills who.

[@vernonhernandez2895]

You guys didn’t hear the entire podcast 😅 you got to watch it again

[@horacecock-johnson5035]

Hippo, rhino, elephant beats a grizzly, nothing else.

[@12packadayhabit]

Simple google search says silver back and lions are about the same weight at 430lb ... a male grizzly is about 600lbs .... so you're waaaay off in that respect.

[@scottgsarmwrestling4639]

Brian Shaw and Eddie Hall vs one Silver Back

[@TheSkivsey]

The deadpan “there’s no penguins in the North Pole” while Lex is doubled up laughing had me doubled up as bad lol

[@liltokyo2]

I can't believe I sat through 30 minutes of this 😂😂 great conversation very entertaining

[@words007]

Podcast are so famous just because they help us answer all the most nonsensical or weird scenario WE ALL HAVE MADE UP IN OUR MIND but nowhere to look answer from but an expert 😅

[@sunkid86]

Two adults seriously discussing such a ridiculous topic one of the world’s biggest potcast is among the most fun things I’ve seen recently. Lex’s ligtheartedly self-critiquing attitude about posing these ridicuolus but nontheless world changing questions is amazing.

[@AndyJarman]

Oh, it's a potcast! That explains it.

[@JakeKoenig]

It's only a ridiculous topic because the answer is obvious to anyone with an IQ over 80.

[@giuffre714]

​@@JakeKoenig Is it a polar bear?

[@thesalesdojo]

The last part with scenarios just made my day guys , absolutely love it 😂❤ Epic interview answering my childhood thoughts haha

[@thepeach4638]

Lex, by far, out of any Podcaster I've come across, comes prepared with the best questions. Most podcasters don't even prepare questions at all, they just wing it. Gotta give Lex a big W.

[@jbarnes4521]

One of the greatest conversations I’ve ever listened to. I didn’t want it to end.

[@polescalante]

I feel this is a subject that, if there’s enough time, Lex will continue to bring up to John every time they talk. Like a never ending conversation. Love it.

[@rogainegaming6924]

You can tell they both loved this conversation. Won't be the last time they talk about this.

[@chrisbest3066]

I hope so 👍

[@lavoiealain]

First intelligent analysis I have ever seen about this question. Well done!

[@freethinker3161]

"This grizzly seen some shit!" I almost peed my pants laughing. Great conversation.

[@scottwhitehead5919]

The entire podcast lex built, his guests, his moves, all lead to this moment….finally, we’ll know.

[@Chrissy-H]

This is it. We have reached the pinnacle of intellectual conversation. 😂

[@jaguar-yv2hq]

This world cannot be real...

[@jaycee30865]

Pseudo intellectual watered down blathering. Should’ve taken 1/4 of the time.

[@Chrissy-H]

@@jaycee30865 I’ve never heard anybody older than 5 attempt this conversation so I genuinely found it hilarious.

[@jaycee30865]

@@Chrissy-H just ramble on and on and on. Jesus. Are there no jobs? Who is the king of the jungle? Why is he king of the jungle? Maybe he was crowned king of the jungle based in fact. Maybe we aren’t as smart as the generation that labeled him king of the jungle. Maybe we are lost in our own belly buttons and our Internet and piss poor information and shit. Develop a real topic. Like what we’re going to do with the sun doesn’t shine for 10 years after nuclear war.

[@jaycee30865]

@@Chrissy-H I agree it is hilarious. Just not intentionally. Ha ha. Probably the best humor. Borat was based on a Turkish Doctor Who put up a single ad. He was actually serious. Sacha Baron Cohen was “immediately crying.“

[@heymelon]

Polar bear should probably have been in there. They are about twice the average size of even bigger species of Tigers, and I don't see why having the advantage of an ambush predator can bridge that gap. Lions and tigers are used to ambushing game, not something that is still twice their size but also can grab them back and bite them with an even bigger bite force then they have. A Polar bear attack 3000 pound Walrus with stabbing tusks solo mind you, and not with a pack of allies.

[@ruinsofalph184]

The last five minutes of this video are absolutely the best in KZbin history!

[@scorpionbrains]

He forgets that bears fight each other very often. I think in this way he underestimates the bear’s ability to fight and kill. Add that to the fact that grizzly bears are massive and have extremely thick fat layers, you get a resilient animal. The reason bears back out from conflict is because they are primarily scavengers.

[@DeTAYL.]

Excellent points. I’ve never seen an animal fight the way grizzlies do. As much as I love big cats, I can’t imagine a scenario where a Lion could defeat a Grizzly.

[@Bellasrius]

@@DeTAYL.it’s Happened a lion named Menelik owned by Frank C bostock, in Sheffield 1911, this lion broke command at a performance and ran through a tunnel where it met a North American grizzly bear sometimes called a kodiak bear, this bear named President, reared up to fight the lion, Menelik fought and killed the bear, the trainers said Menelik tugged so forcibly on the bears head he nearly pulled President's head completely off.

[@sapporoichiban3612]

@MagnusL8. Would be interested in knowing more details on that. The conditions of the animals and how they were raised would be a huge factor that could likely change a lot of the elements mentioned in this video. Not sure this is a valid example to be honest, sorry.

[@thsc9119]

Bears also have thick fur around the neck as well as loose skin. Loose skin gives the attacked party more leeway to respond physically.

[@shaundekker3414]

He addressed the bears fighting each other topic by stating these fights are primarily theatrical and not a fight to the death unlike a lion

[@NerdonWheels]

This was OUTSTANDING to watch - the depth, the structure, the critical thinking. Kudos to both of you

[@ketchupvillian978]

Believe or not ladies, these are questions that plague men from all walks of life.

[@wachinstuf]

A nearly 40 min discussion yielding roughly the same answer we all had when we were 5 years old. Love it

[@urdadshusband781]

No 5 year old is concluding the 2 wouldn't be able to mortally wound each other or that it would be a matter of endurance . The fuk

[@wachinstuf]

@@urdadshusband781 I mean, he ultimately gave the edge to the lion (unless they’re in a cage, which is not natural). In the end, a 5 year old likely would pick the lion too.

[@apeezybossman5811]

😂😂😂😂

[@KarmaKahn]

@@wachinstuf I'd easily go with the bear. A lion has got nothing on a full grown grizzly or polar bear.

[@urdadshusband781]

@@wachinstuf no he didn't. He said they wouldn't be able to kill each other Which is ret4rded. Lions kill each other constantly. Why tf wouldn't a 1000lb bear be able to kill a lion if a 450lb lion can kill a lion

[@onemoreriff7644]

Lex really thought that intelligence would win the day, what he seemed to struggle with was the fact that there is a lot more to survival than just intelligence.

[@christianedwardsen7585]

Instinct has always been the guiding light to survival.

[@19DeMan77]

Intelligence is knowing when to fight or hide/walk away.

[@wilfredorivera3798]

Intelligence is quite literally the main reason, if not the only reason why we humans as a species have survived long enough to make it to the point we are at here today.

[@Nelson_Ocampo]

A gorilla would have a chance of winning under these conditions: 1) There are weapons 2) There is at least a month to prepare and the gorilla has a trainer teaching him every day how to use those weapons to fight a lion and bear

[@thxcbo]

@@wilfredorivera3798 true but that’s because we are 10000000 times smarter then every single animal u don’t see lions using spears do u?

[@Jr_5646]

The last 3 minutes of this are the funniest thing I've ever heard. Lex is just like "Bro if I got a grizzly in an armbar I could totally tap him out"

[@ramire7heavenz252]

Choose the 🦁. It will be less pai😢😅😂

[@kurtu5]

"Yeah, Morons."

[@CJSteib]

@@kurtu5I had to find my Dad to show him that part. Hilarious

[@F.O.R.]

The end was great

[@jasonsharpe9963]

“You can’t do a double leg he’s got four fing legs” I lost it when he said that.

[@adamgriss2025]

This is the quintessential post weed bro conversation but between two geniuses who actually know about what they are talking about. Pure gold.

[@TstanDa-Man]

They Actually we’re pretty bad at breaking down the actual question. John is talking about a lion taking out elephants and buffalos as if they do that by themselves. No single lion can kill either one of those animals and Lex thinking an animal that eats plants has a chance against an animal that eats other animals… That be said I totally agree with you on the pure gold part

[@stephaniecoomey2356]

@@TstanDa-Man agree, horrible take from both men

[@garycarfagno7910]

LMAO....this is one of my fave videos ever...I could have swore John was gonna say stadium and have Gordon run away as fast as he can, but his response was one of the most hilarious 3 minute exchanges in youtube history....I can't stop watching it over and over again

[@neilspires7259]

Gordon?

[@danielsilver6414]

“That’s a bunch of bitch ass gorrillas” best part of the video, belly laughing 😂

[@heymelon]

This made me curious, what does a solo lion or tiger take down that is bigger then a full grown moose? I feel that those guys usually take down big game in packs, whilst bears are out there doing the yolo game.

[@hehateme542]

There was a lion from the Mapogos pride named Dreadlocks who used to hunt and kill water buffalo.

[@Bellasrius]

A single Male lion can take down a adult Cape buffalo. Also male lions have been documented taking down fully grown giraffes

[@Bellasrius]

@@hehateme542hunting water buffalo’s isn’t uncommon in Male lions. Dreadlocks used to hunt giraffes & was successful.

[@Brascobadboy]

@@Bellasriusscar. Not dreadlooks lol

[@chadlaflamme7942]

Lions are far more efficient killing machines than bears because a bears diet is mostly plants and fish, where a lions diet is only what it kills, which is often prey a lot bigger than it is. That said.. the sheer size and power of a grizzly is far more impressive, and has so much thick fur and fat on it's body, I think the lion would have to catch the bear by the throat to get a kill.

[@zeksdeks9443]

I love how Lex just wants the Gorilla to be the obvious answer. I swear he has King Kong in his mind all the time discussing the topic.

[@jamiepatterson4386]

It’s hilarious

[@pastrie42]

When he says “you can’t double keg it. It has four fucking legs” is one of the funniest things I’ve heard. Lol

[@zimmy4868]

John: The lion is the most experienced predator on the planet and fights to the death regularly with its own species… Lex: But the gorilla can pick up a rock… John: Gives Lex a confused stare… 😂

[@brianl.7694]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@mattmccaughen8082]

Tigers kill elephants by themselfs a female tiger is 250 pounds bigger than a male lion Siberian tigers get up to 900-1000 pounds 2x the size of a lion.. I think it would be polar bear or tiger

[@timtags]

😂🤣

[@thatguybrooke]

Yes! Lol. Also/I think lex is stuck in the idea that in this hypothetical potential scenario Lex would be fighting these huge frigging cats as the actual Gorilla via FPS game style or something!?! 🤣

[@johaneriksandberg]

@@mattmccaughen8082 You're just making shit up

[@unwindingtime]

The seriousness of “There’s no penguins on the North Pole” was just perfect.

[@beenright5115]

Counterpoint to John's great argument about experience in lions: having internal battles that are not to the death allowed grizzlies to learn from their mistakes and not just for from them, possibly providing a higher fight IQ in the long run.

[@kelvinmunene1034]

Yeah, that is why bears have perfected the art of runing away😂😂

[@beenright5115]

@@kelvinmunene1034 haha! fair counter! 😂

[@warpeace8891]

@@beenright5115 - I think there are much more plausible cases where the bear wins. The first swipe of a large bear could end the fight before the lion or tiger gets any damage in. It will physically force the cat away as well as the potential for lethal damage. The cat is at least as likely to run away for self preservation, knowing that it needs to be athletic to survive future hunts.

[@mattverville9227]

@@warpeace8891 i think its a awesome and funny breakdown the the fight of the century, good job

[@WarrenPuffet]

They also have by far the thickest hide/skin of those animals.

[@raybo780]

Here’s the jiu jitsu master in his element, absolutely effortlessly rolling into a seriously enthralling discourse on what is ultimately a grade 3 level topic of conversation.

[@kolanos]

27:21 Hyenas have also been observed chasing off lions.

[@alinvid6098]

Yeah when there are more then 10 of them against 1 lion. A male lion easily beats 5 hyenas

[@willycrawley]

"He can't do a double leg he's got four fucking legs" I haven't laughed this hard in a long time 😂

[@Nathan411466]

Here's one. An adult Siberian Tiger can kill a man in seconds. But a 1 week old tiger can easily be killed by an 8 year old kid. Question: At what age would the Tiger have to be so the fight with an adult man is pretty much even?

[@shanginadildo]

Probably 6 months but I'm not sure how quickly lion's she

[@henningstedtfeld7121]

A 6 months old Tiger still looks like a cub, but a 9 months old Tiger has gained significant mass and could be a match for an adult man.

[@donthatetheflayerhatethega4170]

@@henningstedtfeld7121 6 months? You’re tripping bro. It’s very large by even 3 months

[@henningstedtfeld7121]

@@donthatetheflayerhatethega4170 Just type "Tiger 3 months old" here on KZbin. You'll see cubs small as housecats, not meneaters.

[@emssasukeisunderrated7946]

The moment they start learning how to properly hunt (then again even by then they'll have the size and strength to maul any human)

[@shivam.maharshi]

22:01 “There’s a bunch of bitch ass Gorillas walking around, we know that” 😂😂😂

[@TampaDE5]

0:24 that's the look of a man who has been looking forward to being asked this question for over a decade 😂

[@daniandres3211]

Oh my god, this has to be one of the most fun, informative and amazing clips on KZbin! I enjoyed every minute of it.

[@tindikukka]

Pure rubbish what comes to animals though. This guy in tight shirt doesn't know anything about these animals🤦‍♂️

[@leonDleonD]

I feel like i'm watching a typical Jim Halpert vs Dwight Schrute conversation.

[@michaelsell6328]

​@tindikukka Everything he said is true. Maybe watch the video next time.

[@tindikukka]

@@michaelsell6328 He is full of nonsense. Unlike you I'm interested about animals and I recognize nonsense.

[@booberry6715]

Except for the dense man giving the monologue of a third grader for the first 6 minutes, yeah, I agree. 🤣🤣