Gore Vidal vs William Buckley Democratic Convention 1968 Debate 2 Part 1
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@Mdriver19818 жыл бұрын
Two men known for their transatlantic accents and love of their own voice.
@rokyericksonroks7 жыл бұрын
Mdriver1981 Don't forget the seersucker suit...
@leonardstilwell18945 жыл бұрын
The transatlantic accent is the accent of choice for those who love their own voice.
@fancifulrat5 жыл бұрын
But Vidal did it with real class . Buckley did it to sound like he had some class .
@colinmontgomery19563 жыл бұрын
@@fancifulrat , is this a serious remark?
@fancifulrat3 жыл бұрын
Colin Montgomery No , just a throw away remark . I wish there was someone as intellectually honest as Buckley defending conservatives today.
@syourke3 Жыл бұрын
If you want to comprehend how dramatically US politics has deteriorated over the last fifty years, just try to imagine a televised debate like this taking place today.
@hithere640 Жыл бұрын
imagining the moment where buckley calls Vidal a queer and threatens to sock him in the mouth
@syourke3 Жыл бұрын
@@hithere640 One of the greatest moments on live television ever! 😀
@borninvincible7 ай бұрын
@@hithere640that sour little twerp has to resort to violence because his arguments are trash
@x0rn3127 ай бұрын
While this waa going on the police were beating the shit out of people in the streets and all was hell was breaking loose in Chicago... Nothing has changed
@trashyraccoon26156 ай бұрын
@@hithere640Conservatives have always been disgusting like that, now they just have to hide it more
@youlondamason23163 жыл бұрын
Obsessed with the level of intelligence, acumen, brilliance, and wit.
@GjaP_2423 жыл бұрын
8:09
@GjaP_2423 жыл бұрын
9:56
@GjaP_2423 жыл бұрын
'Buckley vs. Vidal: When Debate Became Bloodsport' By Michael M. Grynbaum - July 24, 2015 nytimes.com
@GjaP_2423 жыл бұрын
10:01
@GjaP_2423 жыл бұрын
'It seems that the environment agenda was not - directly - included in this discussion room...'
@actfree68977 жыл бұрын
_This_ is a real debate. Not the fake quasi-interviews that are called debates today.
@SarahJones-wy5us4 жыл бұрын
Act Free, WELL SAID!!
@HotTakeHQ4 жыл бұрын
It’s laughable to refer to our candidates as part of the national debate ; they’re neither representative nor debating.
@Tavat8 ай бұрын
It’s actually just boiler-plate punditry dressed up in the most flowery language by annoying quasi-intellectuals.
@jekyllynch61686 ай бұрын
This is theatre lol
@lisetteeliseparis70704 ай бұрын
Totally agree.
@georgediederich2035 Жыл бұрын
I love history, and politics this is a great time Capsule of a fascinating period of both subjects I wish we had such intellectual debates today
@SamvedIyer2 жыл бұрын
Buckley eventually proved many of Vidal's misquotations wrong, but in the larger sense, Vidal was right about the Vietnam War. In an interview with Peter Robinson of the Hoover Institution in 1998, Buckley conceded that the Vietnam War was a mistake.
@tonywords67139 ай бұрын
Glad that he was able to recognize that and admit it publicly. Even if it was too little too late it's hard to imagine republicans conceding anything today
@CharlesDickens1113 жыл бұрын
If I had Buckley's voice I would never shut up either.
@SamvedIyer2 жыл бұрын
I would not, either.
@fifthbusiness1678 Жыл бұрын
You mean that practised, arrogant mewling? I preferred Vidal’s voice ... it was his.
@robertortiz-wilson158811 ай бұрын
@@fifthbusiness1678 Vidal’s voice is mind-numbing.
@lorimac026011 ай бұрын
Because you’d want to sound like a pompous ass too?
@kuyarickkelley471910 ай бұрын
I wish Buckley narrated nature documentaries
@juniorwon8 ай бұрын
I got here bc of a “you queer” short but I’m glad I followed through
@roberthussey5958 ай бұрын
I’ll never forget the time when Gore Vidal called William F Buckley a “Cryptonazi”
@Fausto_48416 ай бұрын
"i'll sock you in the face and you'll stay PLASTERED"
@infinitejest4415 ай бұрын
Cryptonazi: sounds like a current term with a different meaning
@sriddle35693 жыл бұрын
I love how these gentlemen talk.
@JoeRyMi10 ай бұрын
Two high end intellectuals breaking down a convention. Today, you get Maddow or Hannity.
@V12F1Demon4 жыл бұрын
"It is no business of ours to give them a Pearl Harbour" -Gore Vidal kills it! Gosh! Why haven't I seen this before. I thought Chomsky vs Buckley was interesting. This is how debates are done. How far public debate has fallen.
@mpcc20223 жыл бұрын
Almost everything has been democratized, so almost everything has gone down. TVs are in the homes of every one these days and so everything has to be digestible for the majority, yet there are differences in people and issues are complex, no matter how uncomfortable this truth is; it must be recognized. Unless we're willing to say that what matters most is the education of the public rather than their comfort and approval then public intellectual discourse will be subpar.
@CharlesDickens1113 жыл бұрын
Buckley got him on the Monroe Doctrine, however.
@tejasnair33992 жыл бұрын
@@mpcc2022 Amen
@DanielMazahreh Жыл бұрын
@@mpcc2022 That's not exactly why media has gone down. It is due to Bill Clinton's consolidation of media companies down to 6-7 giant corporations controlling everything we read and watch. We do not have independent media anymore. That's the issue. The giant corporations are spewing propaganda from both pro-Democrat and Republican side.
@robertortiz-wilson158811 ай бұрын
It wouldn’t have been a Pearl Harbor, it would’ve been a threat of a declaration. As is typical, Vidal also conflates discussions of the sort concerning China when they chose to get involved in the Korean War when they had not been attacked, versus the Vietnam conflict, where they were assisting North Vietnam’s attacks into South Vietnam.
@therubicon6 жыл бұрын
Come for a debate, it ends in a boxing match between two blue bloods!
@GusBrunson6 жыл бұрын
Great Gore Vidal, one of the best minds of the 20th Century
@timmycorbitt58702 жыл бұрын
They have better English accents than me, and I'm English!
@lucianopavarotti28435 ай бұрын
@4:11 Apart from the bit about supporting Ho Chi Min against Mao Zedong Gore Vidal sets out here the exact policy the Kissinger and Nixon pursued to exploit the Sino-Soviet split: breakthrough with China and detente with the USSR, and playing each off against the other.
@johnnypastrana67276 жыл бұрын
Gore Vidal made me think that there was another option to the governmental propaganda. End of story.
@robertortiz-wilson158811 ай бұрын
His propaganda?
@jekyllynch61686 ай бұрын
Buckley had to know he was the villain
@robhaskins6 ай бұрын
I long for the days when people on TV could reasonably presume that their audience would know about The Congress of Vienna and Prince Metternich.
@b00gi33 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed Buckley wriggling and squirming in the face of Gore's hard facts and casualty numbers and civilian percentages -- before casually discussing mass murdering civilians and bombings in a casual tone, and saying this was a "legitimate military mission". While these guys have SIMILAR vocal affectations and superficial style -- To the best of my knowledge : Buckley was a paid-up TV Network sponsored mouthpiece and spokesperson for western industrial global-expansion interests : Whereas Gore was a largely independent freelancing mouthpiece and spokesperson for human interest stories and truthful correspondence with the public on public matters. This is a world of difference. When Buckley took a couple of cheap personal shots in this, Gore shrugged it off and continued on discussing facts and policy, and was not distracted by petty personal gripes. This seems to be his style through all the videos I watch. I find it admirable.
@tommym3213 жыл бұрын
Agree completely
@roughhabit90853 жыл бұрын
Your knowledge is poor . The Nixon Foundation says that Buckley’s support in 68’ was not just beneficial but crucial. When Nixon did win Buckley then introduced him to his friend Kissinger . How’s that for influence? Btw did you ever listen to Solzhenitsyns address at Harvard in 78 when he asked the so called pacifists , the anti war movement, if they could hear the moans of the 30 million people who they abandoned in Indo China.? Abandoned to brutally suffer.
@Ken-vn7mx2 жыл бұрын
Ironic how the left is the one now pushing for NATO expansionism. :)
@fifthbusiness16782 жыл бұрын
Excellent and, in my opinion -of course - accurate comment. Vidal quite easily ‘out-debated’ Buckley here. Although the verbose Buckley usually lost a debate when up against a clearly superior intellect (see: Chomsky, Hitchens, Baldwin, etc).
@micah42423 ай бұрын
@@Ken-vn7mxWhy? NATO is a defensive alliance that deters war. Notice that Putin is invading Ukraine and has control of Belarus, Kazakstan, and Chechnya, and he’s active in Syrian civil war. But he won’t touch NATO states b/c he doesn’t want war with Europe and US.
@alanrogers166011 ай бұрын
True master debaters.
@curbyourshi10569 ай бұрын
Definite mass debaters.
@SlimeOgre11 жыл бұрын
for that one debate, that is correct. no colour is available. and besides they don't necessarily store these videos in optimum environments - with no heat and moisture. for them to be this good is actually amazing.
@eternalrhodesian3510 Жыл бұрын
Vidal’s Metternich policy suggestion is actually quite interesting.
@Raulbikcube3 жыл бұрын
Shallow observations: 1. Seersucker in Chicago just seems wrong in a way I can't quite articulate. 2. Dammit Buckley, either sit on your jacket or unbutton it! Pat ought to have schooled you on this!
@tommym3213 жыл бұрын
Seersucker in Chicago is completely wrong, and that tie is wrong no matter where you’re wearing seersucker
@Raulbikcube3 жыл бұрын
TommyM3 Damn right!
@cicolasnage5684 Жыл бұрын
For such a refined gentleman he sure dressed…. Rumpled.
@SlimeOgre11 жыл бұрын
that's as good as the quality can be ... these are 2nd generation from the original ABC tapes.
@suzannerossiter16823 жыл бұрын
It's great to view this debate, sound is grand. Thanks.
@bondurango6 жыл бұрын
Ho Chi Minh won the Vietnam War by fighting a war against occupation. Unlike the North Vietnamese who killed Americans, the South Vietnamese never killed any Russians or Chinese on the ground (unlike Korea) and they saw no liberty or freedom in killing their fellow Vietnamese. JFK only preached what Ho Chi Minh practiced, i.e. "...it's their war to fight, they have to win it." Common sense dictates that while it's possible to train and supply fighters, you lose the incentive and initiative if you let someone else fight your battles for you. Nixon's eventual policy of Vietnamization bears this out but was simply too little, too late.
@TheDangerRoom177611 ай бұрын
Ho Chi Minh won because the South surrendered after the US politicians gave up on them. The US was already gone and pulled out but were still supplying the South with weapons and equipment. Also, despite the massive commitment of American forces and resources, Vietnamese on both sides did the most fighting and dying. The United States attempted to swing the balance in favor of the South but was never in a position to decide the ultimate fate of Vietnam. When Nixon gave a speech to the nation announcing that the Paris Peace Accords had been initialed by the United States, South Vietnam, North Vietnam, the Viet Cong, and the Accords would be signed on the 27th. What the United States and South Vietnam received in those accords was victory. At the White House, it was called "VV Day," "Victory in Vietnam Day." The U.S. backed up that victory with a simple pledge within the Paris Peace Accords saying: should the South require any military hardware to defend itself against any North Vietnam aggression we would provide replacement aid to the South on a piece-by-piece, one-to-one replacement, meaning a bullet for a bullet; a helicopter for a helicopter, for all things lost -- replacement. The advance of communist tyranny had been halted by those accords. Then it all came apart. And It happened this way: In August of the following year, 1974, President Nixon resigned his office as a result of what became known as "Watergate." Three months after his resignation came the November congressional elections and within them the Democrats won a landslide victory for the new Congress and many of the members used their new majority to de-fund the military aid the U.S. had promised, piece for piece, breaking the commitment that we made to the South Vietnamese in Paris to provide whatever military hardware the South Vietnamese needed in case of aggression from the North. Put simply and accurately, a majority of Democrats of the 94th Congress did not keep the word of the United States. On April the 10th of 1975, President Gerald Ford appealed directly to those members of the congress in an evening Joint Session, televised to the nation. In that speech he literally begged the Congress to keep the word of the United States. But as President Ford delivered his speech, many of the members of the Congress walked out of the chamber. Many of them had an investment in America's failure in Vietnam. They had participated in demonstrations against the war for many years. They wouldn't give the aid." And JFK was right. It was their fight. US should have never deployed there, Ho Chi was actually was pro America until we invaded them. He admired the US Declaration of Independence and envisioned creating and implementing a Vietnamese version once they drove out the French. Ho sought US support but was pretty much ignored. Despite several entreaties no support was forthcoming. Had we never had Ngo Dinh Diem assassinated, invaded, ignored the whole red scare, and just helped the cause by telling France to stop continuing their colonialism there. Ho Chi would have had never turned to China or Russia for aid. It doesn't really matter all that much since Vietnam has been an ally of the US for quite some time now.
@riknaddal22318 ай бұрын
Ho Chi Minh was a Socialist SonofaBish 🔴🔴🔴
@robertortiz-wilson158811 ай бұрын
It wouldn’t have been a Pearl Harbor, it would’ve been a threat of a declaration. As is typical, Vidal also conflates discussions of the sort concerning China when they chose to get involved in the Korean War when they had not been attacked, versus the Vietnam conflict, where they were assisting North Vietnam’s attacks into South Vietnam.
@curbyourshi10569 ай бұрын
Indeed. Typical Democrat bants.
@johnnylongfeather30862 жыл бұрын
In 2021 they would interrupt this with 3 commercial breaks
@hudsonblackburn66993 жыл бұрын
9:49 Interesting change in expression for Vidal.
@Raulbikcube3 жыл бұрын
So things are more or less civil and that's the time he decides to bring out the letter?
@SmelOdies11 жыл бұрын
I think Gore was a little rattled by that letter! He tried to play it off as best he could. Funny stuff.
@fredfreddy61826 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think so, but Gore recovers well, and hold his own here against the formidable WFB who most were intimidated by (except Gore)....
@thomashahn6314 жыл бұрын
@@fredfreddy6182 and chomsky, who gutted buckley on firing line.
@mrswiss4 жыл бұрын
Fred Freddy add Eldridge Cleaver to that list (actually Cleaver didn’t gut Buckley but he certainly held his own and didn’t take any of his big syllable bullshit).
@Raulbikcube3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps they should have refrained from talking about Bobby Kennedy. He was just assassinated 2 months prior.
@SmelOdies3 жыл бұрын
Raulbikcube You should know by now that good taste is not an American tradition.
@bartonlee35942 жыл бұрын
Buckley knew the war was lost at this point. He couldn't bring himself to admit it.
@robertortiz-wilson158811 ай бұрын
He was hoping for a negotiated settlement. That the North Vietnamese would grow tired of the bloodshed and seeming immovable American will, which would then hopefully convinced them. But the propaganda war was arguably already irreparably lost.
@tonywords67139 ай бұрын
Wow Vidal calling out the Dulles brothers, I wonder if he knew Buckley worked for Capitalisms Invisible Army , or if that was revealed later...
@curbyourshi10569 ай бұрын
Still doesn't surpass "Cuz you'd be in jail".
@MrNurserob Жыл бұрын
Conversations like this, however greatly performative in their wordsmanship and delivery, are why the rubes among us were generally repelled by politics and political nuance until it was so greatly dumbed down in the past decade, decade and a half; it was simply too far over their heads to jump into, it required too much attention, thought and investment in facts to understand. Now the bar for entry into any “political” conversation is to frivolously claim “both sides are the same” (a supremely lazy take on things), or to call one’s opponent a pedophile at the beginning and roll around in the mud after that. Totally different story.
@tonywords67139 ай бұрын
Yup, unlike the democrats republicans learn from their mistakes ironically, especially making sure to never allow another Nixon downfall type scenario, control the narrative (FOX news), attack, Gaslight Obfuscate Project
@rolandtomassi34864 жыл бұрын
The reveal of the paper was brilliant
@apointofinterest85743 жыл бұрын
@D W: Vidal to Buckley: "It's been fun inspecting your correspondence."
@roughhabit90853 жыл бұрын
Ponder the significance of the Attorney General trying to placate the leading voice of the right . Therein lies the difference between Vidal and Buckley-their influence!
@apointofinterest85743 жыл бұрын
@@roughhabit9085 First off, you do not make it clear what Attorney General you are referring to (Ramsey Clark, Bill Barr, MerrIck Garland ?). Hence, the incisive and illustrious character of your comment cannot be fully appreciated.
@SlimeOgre11 жыл бұрын
Actually, since he hated Bobby Kennedy so much, it probably only made him angry
@FingerBreakerWu2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Vidal have familial ties to the Kennedys?
@nlkasman334711 ай бұрын
Jackie Kennedy is Vidal's stepsister. Vidal pissed RFK off in 1961(?), so Vidal cut ties with his stepsister and the Kennedy's
@krisscanlon40514 жыл бұрын
Somehow I wished that Dean Martin or Willie Nelson just passed through and lightened things up!
@rouryglen4 жыл бұрын
A shameful period of American history and tragic too.
@roughhabit90853 жыл бұрын
The 68 Republican nominations?
@elizabethkeenan70633 жыл бұрын
But not as embarrassing as the last four years have been for the United States.
@10rrtyyssx769 Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethkeenan7063 every year in this country has been embarrassing
@user-dc1dr9kr8x3 жыл бұрын
Back when at least delegates voted on platforms
@timepassenger17058 жыл бұрын
As Gore Vidal smiles he knows the obvious winning feeling where an opponent has surrendered his position through name calling. It is all that Buckley has left proving nothing.
@NorthernUnion135 жыл бұрын
Rules that are now the premise that the Internet relies on.
@CharlesDickens1115 жыл бұрын
I think he smiled because he liked the recognition of his identity (i.e. a queer). I've often seen Greeks smile when called "wog" for instance.
@th82574 жыл бұрын
@@CharlesDickens111 ?? He smiled because he knew that Buckley prided himself in out debating people through rational deconstruction of his opponents positions. Gore Vidal knew he'd riled Buckley up so much that he resorted to angry abuse - Gore Vidal knew he had broken the image Buckley liked to portray to the public, and it really bothered Buckley for years afterwards.
@ottok42242 жыл бұрын
@@th8257 This is exactly right. Vidal successfully pricked Buckley's bubble and Buckley was bothered by this one moment where Vidal had bested him in public, for the rest of his life.
@maggiesace389 Жыл бұрын
Gore is epitome of a LIBERAL who sneers and smiles, twists and speculates! A liberal who arrogantly thinks his bs is winning over a debate - and OH the idiots who agree with Gore! Youre destroying this great nation!
@DKPSKs Жыл бұрын
These two are so funny, such characters.
@SamvedIyer2 жыл бұрын
6:00 to 7:25 Too bad they hated each other so viscerally. This was very elegant and gentlemanly badinage, and I might have almost believed that they were otherwise good friends ardently believing in the fundamentals that characterize the opposite ends of the political spectrum.
@shawnredmond8402 Жыл бұрын
Buckley was right about the Russians and the Chinese. I understand that now looking at modern American far-left and far-right united in appeasing dictators.
@williamkarbala57185 жыл бұрын
Vidal understood it. Country always comes before class.
@pedrosolitario65328 жыл бұрын
buckley reminds me of the bully from the karate kid
@wendigo2442 Жыл бұрын
8:10 is he..... Talking about the crusades???????
@bluebirdgirly3 жыл бұрын
you mean adults who can speak?
@Professorrob2k245 жыл бұрын
This is rich
@sonoranrain23309 жыл бұрын
actually Vidal was the one who was "playing for the other team"
@ULYSSES-316 жыл бұрын
Buckley was too but was too afraid to leave the closet.
@ButchMcLarty Жыл бұрын
As usual, Gore Vidal was correct regarding the misguided and costly Vietnam War and Bill Buckley was out to lunch.
@glossypots Жыл бұрын
Vidal knew the Empire would crumble at the hands of the Republican Party. Visionary.
@charlesporter1148 Жыл бұрын
Really Mr Lindsey....is that why the democrats open border policy is undermining our national security..???
@w5cdt2 жыл бұрын
pontification.
@PhoenixProdLLC7 жыл бұрын
Buckley referring to a gay man as 'insufficient' was no accident.
@rolandtomassi34864 жыл бұрын
It’s in 1968 ffs
@maggiesace389 Жыл бұрын
Oh stop it with your WOKE bs
@ChrisEdward263 Жыл бұрын
Wow I'm 2 minutes in. Does this get good at all?
@reddeserted132 жыл бұрын
Buckley is way too impressed with "serious" people.
@keet89963 жыл бұрын
And to think this was only 8 years ago.
@HarrisonBorbarrison9 ай бұрын
1968 was not eight years ago
@fredfreddy61826 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see these 2 cats go at it, in their own way. Like Ali - Frazier, but with words, somehow each, impressive.. btw, WFB had real hair, but here he looks like he's sporting a toupe.. Both of these guys were complex and talented men, but, I don't know, I think Vidal was the more unforgiving of the two, he was very bitter and a harsh human being to the end, something must have happened to him to make him that way.. In any case God will sort it all out now, as both men will need to face Him, as we all will..
@fancifulrat5 жыл бұрын
Vidal was bitter because he was proven right .
@dukadarodear21764 жыл бұрын
Vidal won't recognise the Celestial Court and stand aloof. Buckley will aid the heavenly guards drag Vidal to the mouth of the shute down to Hell.
@apointofinterest85743 жыл бұрын
@@dukadarodear2176 "...shute (sic) down to Hell."? Well shute yo mouth!
@hankerino6 ай бұрын
This debate proves how much we've declined as a nation. They don't make Buckleys anymore. Brilliant mind.
@danielsalinas66832 жыл бұрын
Gore Vidal, btw, was a gay lover of Clay Shaw.
@fifthbusiness16782 жыл бұрын
I admired Gore Vidal a great deal, and could listen to him for hours. He clearly had a superior intellect compared to the pompous, verbose and lizard-like (with that dart tongue) Buckley. Buckley had an incredible vocabulary, but when debating against a Vidal, or Hitchens, or Baldwin his shortcomings became obvious.
@michaelmarron8441 Жыл бұрын
Lord have mercy. Buckley & Hitchens. You'd need the phrase "can you get to the point man!" with these two wafflers
@krishnamukherjee60284 жыл бұрын
Support veitnam thats exactly US is right now
@rsr78911 жыл бұрын
"Not since the Dreyfus case" Brilliant! Call Buckley out on his anti-Semitic tendencies.
@dukadarodear21764 жыл бұрын
Wonderful how they bring us from here and now to the brink of history as with the Dreyfus case.
@rolandtomassi34864 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know Seinfeld was that old lol
@stardaddyo93 жыл бұрын
Buckley lost his cool. Gore wone
@kevinbergin9971 Жыл бұрын
I liked Buckley, but to show a supposed letter from the recently murdered Bobby Kennedy seems tacky.
@reddeserted132 жыл бұрын
Buckley was wrong. The war was lost. At least Vidal could admit it.
@rsr78911 жыл бұрын
Buckley looked gayer and crazier than Vidal, that's for sure.
@ernestito22225 жыл бұрын
lol, you're right
@evo5dave3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps that's evidence there isn't a gay look?
@grega19724 жыл бұрын
Buckley got bodied by Gore !
@SamvedIyer2 жыл бұрын
Not entirely. With respect to the larger question of the Vietnam war itself, yes. With respect to his misquotations of Buckley? No.
@lisetteeliseparis70704 ай бұрын
I love Gore Vidal, but I love the Congress of Vienna, too! The ballgowns were beautiful, everyone ate, drank, had a good time. Just saying.
@brograb8988 ай бұрын
Would y’all just speak normally. Is this what intellectualism was in the 60’s? I hate Trump , but can you imagine Donald Trump on “firing line”? “Look at this guy. Looks like a rat. I know words too. I have the best words. You’re a loser Bill.” And I would agree with trump.
@rsr78911 жыл бұрын
Ewww.... no.
@soulvigilante6 жыл бұрын
While the ideology Buckley shilled has ultimately come to roost in the global embarrassment the U.S. has devolved into by 2017, perhaps more unfortunate is the devolution of those who have since carried his mantle. Buckley may have been a disingenuous, arrogant fop, but he was eloquent, intelligent and occasionally charming. Instead of continuing in that tradition, his successors have opted for the route of knuckle-dragging, lowest-common-denominator chest-thumping. Sad. Meanwhile, it seems that everyone in the comments carrying on as though Vidal falls anything short of lapping Buckley on style and points is obviously doing so out of an ideological prejudgment. Wherein he could be espousing the virtues of corporate welfare and deregulation, these people would automatically disregard him simply for being framed as taking the "liberal" position in the debate. Perhaps the greatest tragedy in the dumbing down of right-wing discourse is that it validates absolutism. Fun fact: 10 out of 10 psychologists agree that "all-or-nothing", "black-or-white" thinking is unequivocally contraindicative to emotional well-being or personal growth.
@davidschalit9073 жыл бұрын
Of course, you have no 'ideological prejudgment'. Right.
@mgd88673 жыл бұрын
Shut the fuck up hahaha
@roughhabit90853 жыл бұрын
I find left wing discourse to be more patronising tbh
@wraithby11 жыл бұрын
GV failed to bed WFB hence his ire.
@marcyfan Жыл бұрын
i don't think gore had that aspiration but buckley certainly thought he could win debates by bringing up vidal's sexuality just like you did here. vidal's dislike of robert kennedy not yet dead one season is all i need to question his "profound intelligence".
@wraithby Жыл бұрын
@@marcyfan One of Gore's few good points was a disdain for the modern day Borgias of Massachusetts. And since Bobby was the most ruthless, outside of Old Joe, it's not surprising he'd have no use for RFK. Neither of these two gents were out of this world intelligent. But I'd say Gore had it over WFB in the intelligence department. WFB being a popularizer of other's originality. He admitted to writer and literary critic , Hugh Kenner, that he did not have the faculties to do truly original work, and he showed some self awareness in admitting that. In fact, WFB was disgusted with himself for falling into a pi$$ing match with Vidal. He withdrew from public appearances for months and was depressed about the whole matter. Vidal had been baiting Buckley for years prior to this, in television, newspaper and tv interviews. In 1962 Jack Paar gave GV almost a full week on his show to tear Buckley apart. Paar only relented and allowed Buckley a rebuttal for an hour after a public letter writing campaign forced his hand.
@martin59405 жыл бұрын
Well thanks to the US we in Europe and much of Asia are ( with ups and downs free country’s and we can’t thank the States anoug! That guy Videl is like a spoiled hippie brad.
@Flibbybibby4 жыл бұрын
@martin Them gosh darn hippie brads!
@th82574 жыл бұрын
Your English is as bad as your judgement. Didn't you learn how to form plurals at school? Or your spelling, for that matter.