Historical and Biblical Arguments for the Papacy (w/ Trent Horn)

in today's episode I interview Trent Horn on the crucial topic of the papacy. Perhaps no issue divides Christians more than the papacy. I've said in the past that if you can convince me of the papacy, I'll be forced to become Catholic. In this video we discuss whether the papacy is a solid foundation for the Catholic church or simply creates a house of cards. In addition, Trent provides biblical and historical arguments for the papacy, walking through questions like "was Peter the first pope?" "is there early evidence for papal infallibility?" and much more. At the end of the episode we go through some questions that you all submitted. I hope you enjoy it!
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Hey! My name is Austin, and I'm a 21 year old guy with a passion for people. I believe the good news is that God is better than we could've ever hoped, and I love sharing this message of grace and love with anyone that will listen. I'm the former Digital Marketing and Video Production Coordinator at a large, evangelical church in Frederick, MD, and I'm currently a student at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, IL. When I'm not writing papers or making KZbin videos, I do freelance work as a Wedding Photographer/Videographer and social media consultant. On any given day you can find me with my nose in a book or a guitar in my hands. Want to get to know me more? Follow me and say hi on Instagram at: @austin.suggs
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:09 - Interview Starts
03:30 - Importance of the Papacy
07:45 - Does the Papacy Make a House of Cards
15:24 - What was Peter's Role?
31:32 - The Modern Papacy vs. Peter
41:06 - The Office of Peter
49:43- Papal Infallibility
53:54 - Q&A

[@ryannafziger5158]

I am 21 in RCIA right now, and am graduating from college soon, and I just have to say that seeing someone else my age doing similar investigations into the legitimacy of Catholic claims is so refreshing. Love your videos!

[@GospelSimplicity]

So glad to hear that!

[@malcolmkirk3343]

Trent Horn is one of the sharpest minds in the Catholic drawer of apologetics. You may want to check out his videos / interviews.

[@malcolmkirk3343]

Brandt Petri's books are in indispensable, as are a few others. But read the early church fathers first hand, to be sure you keep their context, as well as content.

[@paulinewoods375]

Well done Ryan and Jonathan, good luck. I was a cradle Catholic, then from my teenage years, spent years dabbling in other faiths. Eventually I participated in the RCIA course and came home to my own church. Now I am part of my local RCIA team. 🙏🙏🙏

[@Swee889]

I am a Catholic, following Austin since the day I discovered the channel. Impressed by a protestant openness in exploring. I love the Orthodox church tour. Thank you Austin. Hope you will share your faith journey too

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks! I’ll be sharing some of it in a live stream this Friday!

[@Swee889]

@@GospelSimplicity Great..looking forward! God bless you brother😘

[@CroElectroStile]

I was an atheist, then eclectic agnostic, then occultist /mystery religion/ new age spirutality dude, then God opened my eyes to the truth of good and evil, and the pure goodness of life and death of Jesus. Then i gravitated to Protestans and then Calvinist because of John Macarthur and his great speeches, but after learning allot from Jimmy Akins site and books and listening to Catholic Answer i just can't deny Catohlicism is the way annymore. :) PS btw is was raised Catholic so it was a full circle back home lol

[@GospelSimplicity]

What a journey!

[@amandah8178]

Welcome back home!!!

[@liamblumeris6933]

Welcome home, there are many stories like yours just reminds me of the prodigal son

[@gingsmith3466]

Home is where you truly belong. Welcome back!!❤️🙏❤️

[@maryjaneacapulco7348]

Oo

[@Windmill97]

Austin, you have so much of my respect for how charitable you are.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thank you so much!

[@jgil1966]

You dropped this 👑... king of an ecumenical attitude

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@aprilmohlerful]

I’m a convert to Catholicism. I used to be evangelical. It was a very difficult transition due to anti-Catholic relatives. I appreciate your search for truth. Trent Horn is very helpful!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for sharing some of your story!

[@zen-sufi]

Why did you choose Catholicism versus say, Orthodoxy? Or had you ever even considered it?

[@kuyajosephtutorials9709]

Welcome home.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

And are Catholics anti evangelical?

[@malcolmkirk3343]

@@zen-sufi Yup. Considered it. Some aspects I like better than the Western Church (most can be had in Eastern Rite Churches). But there are also some serious problems. Lack of central authority has proved a pretty big problem. For instance, "How many times can a man divorce and remarry?" Never? ...NEVER? ONCE? etc.

[@amandah8178]

WOW! Another home run hit out of the park! Your interview skills are top notch, especially being able to keep pace with Trent Horn. I love being a Patreon subscriber and getting early viewings of great videos like this. This one, by far, is my favorite. Thank you for this! And thank you to Trent Horn for letting the Holy Spirit use you to guide so many of us, myself included, into the Catholic faith through your books, radio programs, podcasts and debates. You are both such a blessing!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks Amanda! I really appreciate your support

[@TheDanzman1211]

If only more Catholics be like you, bringing the intellect down to your heart.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Wow, thanks

[@TheDanzman1211]

Hurry up and finish your studies! I need help in my ministry,

[@gloriahancock998]

We’re trying, with the help of the Holy Spirit. ✝️🙏

[@men.276]

Another great point made by Catholicism I found fascinating was the claim that Christ overcame the enemy of Israel Pagan Rome by establishing His Church there and turning a pagan nation into one who worships the God of Israel. That's a really solid and true argument. He was truly victorious in His death and resurrection.

[@masterchief8179]

That’s a mystery and I think you are correct. So when you leave profane Rome to enter sacred Vatican (the other side of the Tiber River), just after the Angelic bridge (Sant’Angelo) you will see the huge Egyptian obelisk in St Peter Square (put there by the wicked emperor Caligula even before Christ) with an inscription that was composed in the 12th century by St Anthony of Lisbon and Padua: _”Vicit Leo de Tribu Juda / Radix David / Alleluia”_ (The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered! Alleluia!) That gives you goosebumps even before you get to the beautiful St Peter’s Basilica. Tremendous. Jesus conquered the Pagan world, the “nations”, to be the definitive and eternal King of Israel. So profound and beautiful. I recommend everybody to go to Rome and the Vatican on a trip. Fantastic jaw-dropping city. Those struggling with the theological dimension of our faith, specially the papacy, have a huge chance to leave Rome/Vatican with the doubts responded, at least some of them. I was really touched there.

[@erravi]

In Hoc Signo Vinces !!

[@Lerian_V]

@@masterchief8179 See from 7:30 mins what you are talkin about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qovdlpqXf82fibs

[@kuyajosephtutorials9709]

To the Romans 1:7, Love and Called by God.

[@malcolmkirk3343]

Overcame the enemies of Israel? Well, in the "Jewish Wars" of the late 60's and early 70's, God used the PAGAN Romans as a tool of retribution and destruction on the Christ rejecting Jews of Israel. It was later that the Church established itself in Rome. When Paul writes to the believers in Rome, he has not yet been there. Yet somehow, the gospel has reached there without any I fixation of an Apostle as a "founder" there. The area where the Vatican sits was amidst the tombs, and OUTSIDE the city proper. In fact, it remained outside the city, even when Rome somewhat expanded.

[@robertlehnert4148]

Try to get on Brant Pitre, pH.d, author of at least three books on the OT and Jewish precedents of the Papacy, The Eucharist, and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I’ve tried. He’s all booked up

[@impasse0124]

@@GospelSimplicity don’t give up lol his books have been crucial in my faith formation.

[@sidneycline3366]

His books are pivotal for me too. I was considering Orthodoxy and his books convinced me that wasn't necessary or beneficial for me.

[@TheDanzman1211]

Dr. Pitre has been a lot of help in our Apologetics ministryat our Parish. I love his intellectual approach that brings you entrenched in the Church!

[@SheikhMuhnughts]

Well hi Robert!

[@Medico9814]

I see the name TRENT anywhere I just tap it lol

[@GospelSimplicity]

I like it!

[@carolusramusservusdei9611]

Awesome name you have.

[@alenemely]

@basil ezung, tap Twice if trent and austin 😅 good job

[@Medico9814]

@@alenemely and there you go , they did excellent job as expected 😀

[@andrewdrew677]

@@GospelSimplicity Jesus knew Peter as weak as we see him denying Jesus three times including not understanding the work of the cross where Jesus says to him “ get away from me satan” hence the chapter where Trent creates analogy on Peter being the greatest in Luke does not make sense ref “ the first shall be last and then points to Peter re sifting. To encompass papacy with such illustration becomes Swiss cheese . Think about why John was the only disciple not afraid at the cross all the others fled , you can see John had something the other disciples did not illustrated at the discourse. It’s almost as if without the papacy the scriptures would of disappeared that Catholicism try’s to project We know for a fact the term pontiff comes from Romanism not Jesus. The issue is the papacy is Peter Chair apparently a divine position so to just write off bad popes or state just pray for them is laughable to say the least.

[@deanphilipsaunders775]

I can see God working in your soul Austin. It would be wonderful to have you in the fullness of faith. God is watching over you in your journey. God bless.

[@romarues1]

As Catholic, I respect and admire your communication, your respect and genuine interest.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@sergioolivas8549]

Wow Austin, you defiantly got a heavy hitter with Trent Horn. I cant wait to see this episode

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@dononairos9925]

I'm a Catholic and a follower of this channel since I saw your video touring to a beautiful Catholic church in Chicago ❤️

[@jack_skeean]

Wow, really looking forward to this! Trent Horn is such a brilliant and kind man. I've been thoroughly enjoying your content, thank you for your efforts!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@mariacole4000]

I love how you are open to exploring Catholicism...and I hope you become a Catholic ♥️

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@quinataanthony]

Bravo, Austin! Thank you for having this interview. You rock!

[@adolfo4297]

FINALLY! I have waited so long for this videoo. God bless brother

[@aaronbenjaminjacobs3231]

Austin, I am a young man discerning the Latin Rite Catholic Priesthood(only will be offering the Tridentine Mass) I am here for your journey and love your channel and unbias, humble search of the truths of Christianity. One day I hope you come home to the Roman Apostolic see. God bless brother

[@riceninja051]

Fellow seminarian here brother! Praying for you

[@aaronbenjaminjacobs3231]

@@riceninja051 you as well brother! Viva Cristo Rey!

[@TheDanzman1211]

Who knows. do not be surprised if Austin joins you in the Seminary.:)

[@Seethi_C]

ICKSP, or FSSP?

[@IHS333]

Aaron, i will pray! I love my FSP parish

[@geneparadiso6258]

I’m so happy you’ve reached a point where you can attract a Trent Horn. It was really insightful!

[@nicolerodgers4736]

Literally was listening to Trent's newest podcast... looked up your youtube channel... and saw that you were currently live with Matt Fradd and caught the end of it. SO RAD. Hahaha! I'm a cradle Catholic with many many nondenominational friends and I'm so grateful for public conversations like these. Happy to follow along. Thank you for this! Praying for you!

[@18Tonks]

This was so awesome! Thank you Austin and Trent!!! Sharing!

[@javierluyanda8283]

You don’t disappoint with all this amazing content !

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@No7SHAD]

Shocks me that you only have 10k subscribers! Your content is awesome,keep it up!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Shocks me that I have as many as 10k!

[@mariastefani1772]

I'm running so fast for this!

[@culturecoroner]

Thank you both! ❤️

[@jacobrahe8726]

Oh heck yes I seriously can’t wait for this one!!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@LeslieHayman11]

Can't wait to listen, Trent horn is the best and it will be so cool to see the dialogue!!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@cristianalfaro9432]

Austin, I would love to see Steve Ray in your channel. May God and the Holy Spirit guide you to this journey to the Truth and the Catholic Church.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I’d be open to that

[@jamessemling6869]

Austin! Thanks for this episode. Your humility to dialogue and be open stands out to me. God can do so much with simple humble souls! Peace be with you!

[@GospelSimplicity]

My pleasure!

[@crystald3346]

Next up: Scott Hahn

[@GospelSimplicity]

I’d love to! His website says he has a $500 booking fee though and that’s way out of my budget

[@michaelavahling5084]

@@GospelSimplicity -- I'd invest $5 in that...

[@Paragon468]

@@michaelavahling5084 I'd pay to see that too. Set up a Go Fund Me!

[@stevepinto5587]

I would, as well!

[@IOT4747]

@@Paragon468 , good idea!

[@noobitronius]

Hey Austin, Protestant here very interested in discussing the papacy. I live in central IL - I've got a lot of friends at Moody! Awesome work, great to see a guy my age faithfully and respectably discussing this with someone as intellectually skilled as Horn. Really enjoyed this conversation man, you've got a new watcher!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it! Grateful to have you as a part of the community here

[@menevar7529]

I have been looking forward to this since I heard about it

[@Matt_M516]

Brilliant as expected from Trent, and also yourself Austin. Great work! Thank you both. It's a shame though there wasn't enough time for Trent to answer the 300 questions! I could have listened all night. 🙂 Take care and God bless. 🙏

[@505Lucky7]

I listened to this whole thing on my smart tv on KZbin, for some reason it did not show the video but only the audio, I’m now seeing there was a video. I will probably watch it now and hear it a second time. Good stuff. I’m a recent convert to Catholicism. Trent is like a Catholic rockstar! I’m enjoying your channel too Austin. Thanks God Bless.

[@marissamacahilos3169]

💗

[@beautifulspirit7420]

Welcome home brother 🙏 🏡

[@jattebaleyos116]

This interview is knowledge pack and I learn many things... Thank you Austin

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@christinacastillon6439]

This is a great interview! Thank you Austin!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@duals-growthofculture2085]

Yayyyy Blessings all around. I was psyched when I saw you were interview Trent, he is so awesome God bless y'all

[@mikeshockley665]

The name change concept (e.g. Abram, Jacob, et al) -> had not even occurred to me. Wow 😀

[@MJOLLNIR720]

Solidly mind blown by this concept. 🤯

[@matta5498]

I wonder if that's why popes take on new names.

[@solovief]

Austin, you're on a roll! Keep going!

[@pyapyam4128]

Really enjoyed this. Watching from Philippines

[@samuelflippin1890]

Will have to watch this one again!

[@e.a.c.2175]

Glory to God for the time and energy to invest in thoughtful conversations. Glory to God for the apostolic church! Their Holy Traditions give life and hope to the world! However, it gives life and hope through practice. In experience. In tradition and community. And what hurts my heart is that my Catholic family don't have the gifts of prayer, fasting, and almsgiving that my Orthodox conversion has provided. God bless your journey. I enjoy watching it. God will give you what your heart and mind yearns for: the perfect union of Truth and Love. If you're brave enough to embrace it. ☦️ God bless you and keep you!

[@evans3922]

Very valuable testimony since it is from an ex Catholic friend.. God bless you sister.. He guides the true seekers of truth in His Orthodox Church the only true ancient Church.. But it takes courage to follow the truth not everyone has it...

[@Littlemermaid17]

Such a good interview, thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@IOT4747]

Excellent video! Thanks so much!

[@eduardodelatorre3422]

Dude you are awesome for this talk with Trent Horn. I appreciate you to the max for this. I really hope to see more videos like these. Great topic by the way. Thank you Austin 👍

[@GospelSimplicity]

My pleasure!

[@spq_sean]

I would love to see a video about Eastern Catholicism, especially with you Austin. You ask great questions and are incredibly respectful. Looking forward to all your future videos. Keep up the great work!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Working on it!

[@aquariuskiwilog]

Oh I loved this, this was amazing. I think i already knew about most of the things Trent brought up (as a relatively new Catholic), but I enjoyed the format and listening to a discussion or interview that is not being done in a hostile manner. Regardless, you do protestants a favour Austin, I sort of feel like maybe we can discuss things without one side having their heads chopped of, when listening to this and that there is hope after all. Thank you for that and for inviting Trent I really like that guy. Now, next up you should invite Jimmy Akin :D -- he is a nerd like me.

[@benjamin927]

This is good man, I will pray for you my dear Brother!

[@antezulj4453]

I love how you reply to many comments! I really appreciate your work, keep doing what you are doing.

[@englishlearningcenter1470]

Absolutely awesome!!!!! Great Job!!!

[@manasabadaset6438]

Amazing explanation of papacy ....thank you

[@zelie1155]

Wow! This was fantastic! I would love to see Trent come on again... :D and Fr. Danial Dozer!

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

Regardless, you're channel is on fire 🔥 you are a non-stop

[@IndonesianTacticalChannel2]

Love this episode and God bless your honesty and bravery Austin.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@coondogbob]

Great job austin , you have something special here

[@magdalenelah8231]

Thanks Austin🙏👍 Trent Horn, brilliant brilliant apologist👍👍👍

[@glorianiaga2111]

Thank you for this Austin!

[@GospelSimplicity]

My pleasure!

[@emilialyngdoh5490]

Austin, you are becoming my model in the way you gently throw questions on the subject you believe you disagreed, which is very amazing. I started to appreciate Jesus'wisdom to place his successor on earth for His Church.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Wow, that’s so encouraging to hear!

[@loremaster234]

Would you be willing to elaborate further on the term "successor"? If you mean to say that He left His position as Hight Priest to someone else, I would say that you are mistaken; or perhaps His involvement? Either way it doesn't seem likely that Christ would leave behind a successor when He has remained the Head of the Church as High Priest. (I am not trying to be confrontational, but I know that internet text can come off that way. I am genuinely curious about what you mean by "successor")

[@BornAgainCatholic]

Your audience is awesome sir!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@Vivi-uy1hr]

Awesome dialogue!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@rosiegirl2485]

I really enjoyed this interview...thank you! I was one of those people that had your video's show up on my feed when you went to the Latin Mass! Since then I have been drawn in to your journey. I have to say...I have seen this story before...and the more you educate yourself...and the more arguments you hash out...you are going to come to the same conclusion as Dr. Scott Hahn, Kimberly Hahn, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples, Steve Ray, Dr. Peter Kreeff, Dr. David Anders, etc...and soon we will be adding Austin's name to the list! May I welcome you home early...because you are well on your way! 🌷

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed the interview!

[@jacksoncastelino04]

Wow. Good to see Trent . Thank you brother.

[@GospelSimplicity]

My pleasure

[@halleylujah247]

So bummed I missed this live. 🥺

[@quayscenes]

Also just remembered this is my birthday... 😂😂😂 What better gift... GS talking with a famous Catholic apologist... But for real what more could I wish for???

[@GospelSimplicity]

Haha, that’s awesome! How you have a great birthday!

[@jamescurtin4412]

Great discussion important questions intelligent answers this is really good thank you and God bless you both

[@paulao.8378]

Love your content. God bless 🙏🏻

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thank you! You too!

[@StevenFogelberg]

Trent Horn is Popular so I'm not surprise te see this Video with 19 commercial ads. 😁😁😁

[@connermcd]

One of the things that stood out to me at a protestant before I became Catholic was Christ's prayer for unity in the church. I saw the relative unity of the Catholic Church compared to the myriad denominations and even churches within my own denomination and even members of my own congregation. Not that everyone in Catholicism agrees on everything but we do agree on what we may not disagree on

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for sharing that!

[@ContendingEarnestly]

*but we do agree on what we may not disagree on* Forced compliance isn't unity.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@ContendingEarnestly Under threat of eternal damnation, you WILL be united! that's God's way.

[@jonathanmaranatha8796]

Realy realy Nice ! Thanks so much!

[@sidneycline3366]

Interesting to hear your viewer mix. I think for many of us Catholics, Orthodox, and Eastern Catholics, it is fascinating to basically watch you go through the same conversation we went through. I think you will bring many with you to the historical true faith.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you're enjoying it!

[@reyesrivera8381]

I will keep you in my prayers

[@soystudios2778]

This is a GREAT interview! You should interview Steve Ray, Tim Staples & Scott Hann next.

[@johnbeyerym2771]

Jimmy Akin would also be fantastic!

[@johnyang1420]

Tim Staples helped me come back to the faith. He held a Defending the Faith conference at St Dorothys church in Glendora, CA in 1996. He answered all questions and a few months later.....I came back to the Catholic church.

[@peterj6740]

@@johnyang1420 -that now convinces me why you are so anti any christianity ; except for roman Catholicism ! Tim , must have confused you, I have always had my doubt by these so called Catholic apologists. I am a cradle catholic , and i know Catholicism from the inside out ; they know it from the outside in. They create their own brand of Catholicism by their Catholic answer , which is not always the CAtholic Answer.

[@TheDanzman1211]

@@peterj6740 I am a cradle Catholic and heavily involved in Apologetics. It does not hurt to go deeper into your faith. It gives you the tools to help cafeteria Catholics find their way closer to Jesus and His Church.

[@mikelopez8564]

@@peterj6740 Peter, another cradle Catholic here. I’m gonna have to take a view contrary to yours of “convert” Catholics. For us born into the Church we’ve never had to stare into the face of truth and ask “what God have I known?” Whether the convert comes from atheism, pseudo Christianity or even Protestantism, it can be jarring to have your world view change so radically. This would be the same experience the earliest Christians must have had. Granted, they also have a joy amounting to that pearl of great price to compensate for loss of friends and even, at times, family, all to follow the Christ in his Church. As for their apologetics, well, I can hardly fault GK Chesterton, Saint Cardinal H Newman or Dr Peter Kreeft. The CA staff represents the faith quite well and they are 90% former protestants, making them familiar with all the views (and vocabulary peculiarities) Protestants have. Thank you to the young man who hosts this program; I think you may be on a journey of your own. Peace be with you.

[@josephpack7315]

Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples, everybody at Catholic Answers filled in the dots for me, which completed my journey to the Holy Catholic Church. Thank you guys! Oremus!

[@johnyang1420]

Welcome home!!!

[@honeyandlocusts1475]

Great video!

[@erravi]

Love trent horn!!

[@GospelSimplicity]

He's a great guy

[@richardradice3391]

Firstly, thank you for having Trent on, and thank you Trent for being on. Now for my grievance and other things I would like to add. I wish Trent made more Patristic connections here, but of course, we can spend all day doing that. Take the thing about all the Apostles getting the Keys but Peter in a special manner, this is discussed by Pope Leo in Sermon 3 & 4 where he sets Peter up as a prototype for all people (clerics) but he is specifically Peter being the Shepherd of Shepherds. That Peter confirms the others. Take the issue of who is the Rock in Matthew 16. No one, not a single Father distinguished between the Rock in Peter. No Syriac Father does absolutely (see Cyril Benni's book on the Apostolic traditions and Robert Murray's book on the Symbols of the Kingdom) See John Chrysostom on this in Homily 54 of Matthew and Homily 3 on Acts. That Peter is the rock via his confession, it is always both. Augustine even says this and fine-tunes it in his retractations. I also wish he touched on the Epistemic substantial issue, especially compared to the Eastern Orthodox. That what you have Prima Facie in Scripture is a Governance with an Epistemic nature to rule. You have the College (Apostles) and then the Head of said College (Peter), so when it is asked "Does this reflect the modern Papacy" it's a yes and no. In anything that Develops it gets more smoothed out in its application and discussion. A deeper meditation on the Mystery and Teaching. I always like to think of it as a Ball of Dough. The dough is the same but you take it to its goal, so it's the same but not. We see that the same Substanial Government is set up, so then why does it change? This needs justifying, If there is a College with a Head in the Early Church witnessed by Scripture then it would logically and fittingly continue. With the Eastern Orthodox, it changes to just a College, and with most Protestants, it's just no College. Here we then face an Epistemic issue (Trent touched on briefly) That we have all these definitive things, but no definitive application. The last thing I wish was touched on more is "First among Equals" is such an oxymoronic statement it has to be said. 'First among Equals" is exactly what we teach! In Vatican I Pius IX said, "It is just not the Pope who is the Church but the Pope in accordance with the Bishops". The Pope is Equal as he is in the College, but First as it's Head. The Body must always listen to it's Head. In a grouping, you cannot have a First who is equal in all manners or it becomes not a FIrst, so by the very accusation of a First, we admit the premise that there is some who is Prime or "Supra-" someone else, or a group of others. Due to this admission then you have prerogatives of the First lacking in others. If all have the same prerogatives then there is no First. In history we can see this in the Patriarchs, how does the First differentiate itself from the others? Seems to be by a special jurisdiction the no other has. Of course, this takes justifying and I think it can be best done by historical proofing, but this is already too long. I believe what echoes this so well is how John Chrysostom describes the Apostles as coryphaeus and singles out Peter sort of as THE coryphaeus. Dom John Chapman goes over this beautifully in his book on the Papacy. In Short, one must have a distinction to be First and only the Catholic Church makes that Distinction, even though Greeks through history tried to give this to Constantinople. Thanks for reading! Hope this helps!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for the thorough response and engagement with the video!

[@RGTomoenage11]

Can’t wait

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@11antun]

Great Talk!

[@tesschavit3009]

I can’t wait to watch two of you guys talking about catholicism so that I can learn more about my faith. Catholic church it has the fullness of truth, founded by God Himself

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@starcityoldy]

Yeah the fullness of pachamama

[@AveChristusRex]

@@starcityoldy No actual Catholic who isn't a 'Christmas and Easter' Catholic accepts the apostasy of Pachamamas. It stands out precisely because it is antithetical to the Catholic faith, spirit, sense, etc.

[@harleymann2086]

The one SILLY rebuttal that helps weak Orthodox Christian avoid really examining the One Catholic Church, with its head in Rome, is the pacha-mama incident. These Christian’s are too weak for serious study on such a topic. Like cultists, they look for reasons to dismiss the work of real consideration.

[@justinfuller8481]

I love hearing how the KZbin algorithm accidentally blew up your channel in Catholic and Orthodox spheres

[@GospelSimplicity]

It's been a wild ride

[@cynthiapinkham1087]

I am a traditional catholic. I love your channel.. May God bless you all ways as you continue on your good journey of sharing information .🙏 ✝️ ♥️

[@christosanesti1]

Hey Austin! Thx a lot for your videos! I love the concept of an open-minded protestant interviewing other christians. I like the videos on catholic faith, but the ones on orthodoxy too since I'm "on both sides" (here greek catholic from France ;) ) I'm praying for you and your channel!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you're enjoying them! Thanks for your prayers. God bless!

[@dadiquibuang9041]

Dr. Brant pitre is on the way

[@GospelSimplicity]

I wish! I tried to book him but he’s all booked out for months

[@michaelbracelin9550]

@@GospelSimplicity Worth waiting a few months....100% worth it.

[@csterett]

Congratulations on another good episode with a great speaker. I like how you allow the person to speak and make their point without continual interruption. This shows you are a thoughtful person and seek the truth. As far as the primacy of Peter, this is not only in the Gospel of Matthew, but in John 21: 15-17 Jesus gives Peter the chance to affirm him three times after denying him three times. He also tells Peter to "Feed my lambs", "Tend my flock", and "Feed my sheep". No other apostle was told this. As far as Papal Infallibility, we don't think a person is automatically a saint because they were elected Pope. Also, unlike the Dalai Lama, we don't think the Pope is somehow the reincarnation of Christ. Or unlike the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, or how the Japanese emperor used to be regarded, we don't believe him to be a living god. As Mr. Horn points out, over the centuries there have been Popes who were terrible human beings. There are probably some Popes burning in Hell and deservedly so. However, as bad a people as they were, they never corrupted the dogma of the church. They never said Jesus was just a man, that he never rose from the dead etc. Thus no matter how corrupt the person holding the office of Pope, the office itself was preserved from error.

[@evans3922]

but all Apostles were feeding their lambs and tending their flocks because they were the shepherds...this is not an argument for Peter primacy..Jesus just gave him ,who had denied Him thrice, the opportunity to come back to the Apostolic office. He was the only disciple who denied the Lord apart from Judas and also he was not the beloved disciple of Christ,neither was he under His Cross like st.John. If Peter was superior to the other Apostles when John and Jacob asked Jesus to sit on the left and on the right of His Throne, Jesus would have told them that Peter was he who would have this privilege,but He did not say it.On the contrary Jesus said them to be humble and also told to ALL APOSTLES,not only to Peter that when He comes again they will sit on twelve Thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel...aka full equality among the Apostles. Furthermore,if Peter was superior to the other Apostles,on Pentecost the Holy Spirit would have come to him first and then he would distribute the Holy Spirit to the other Apostles,but this never happened.the Holy Spirit came equally simultaneously to ALL Apostles.

[@susanmiller6737]

God bless you Austin

[@2john149]

Amazing interview. I'm so proud to be a Catholic. May God bless you and your work.

[@faith_life_travels8985]

As a Catholic I have to say this was a great interview. I recently started getting interested in the defence of the faith and doing a bit of work on that with non-Catholic friends and of course in the current situation the Pope and papacy is a hot topic. So this is really helpful in that regard. Thank you both🙂

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DavidRodriguez-cm2qg]

Me from the future: Welcome to the Church, Austin. Welcome home.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Ha, thanks

[@franciscomartinez5983]

Excellent explanation. I believe Austin is on his way home. Austin God bless you, Church is waiting for you likewise all our separate brothers and sisters

[@theobserver3753]

These people should have millions of subscribers.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Wow, thanks!

[@nathanmontgomery5535]

Trent is the perfect apologist to just make his argument and "drop the mic"

[@sillybearss]

@Harley Mann He'll politely put the mic back to the standing holder.

[@impasse0124]

@@sillybearss 😂😂😂

[@daniby9894]

I really enjoyed this video, as all of Austin’s videos. I really love his authentic dialogue skills and inelectual honesty, because it’s something not easy to find even inside owns congregation. I’d like to add a comment from a practical and common sense and experience standpoint as a Catholic. Papacy really works in terms of creating unity and common ground for Catholics in any nation and thanks to it we’ve been able to “trascende” the “constellations” Trent mentioned and I’d add, avoid getting “paralyzed” by nationalism or political changes, even when under totalitarian regimes and dictatorships. Somehow, somewhere, theology kept evolving, religious orders or lay movements would flourish, renewed ideas would circle, on the other side somewhere the church was pursecuted, but they could always count on some sort of the help and guidance from the outside, even in cases of worst isolation or when being forced to go underground. It’s something that greatly helped Catholics under persecution not to get overwhelmed by their own problems and loose the bigger picture. The way I personally see it there’s a slight similitude between the American democracy and the Catholic Church governance: there’s great democracy on all levels (I don’t mean just bishops and the pope, I mean at the governance of religious orders, lay movements, parish councils, ecc.) but at hard times when a democracy becomes “limiting” we turn to presidentialism! We’re paradoxally a democracy and a monarchy at the same time, but it really works out great! If we didn’t have it, we’d be facing many of the problems that orthodox have today.

[@irenecastelino8827]

Thanks for this. Love to see Brother Trent. Thank you Trent for explaining Papal Infallibility according to The Sacred Scripture n Catechism.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad it was helpful!

[@bearistotle2820]

Hello good sir, this is the first I am seeing of you channel and wanted to say I appreciate your openness on your journey. I myself am a convert to the Catholic faith, but my journey had a couple stops along the way. I basically went from culturally Mormon, to devoutly Mormon, to Calvinistic Evengelical, then to Catholicism. If you, or really anyone would like to talk about my journey or any questions about/difficulties with Catholicism, I am more than happy to chat.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for sharing some of your story!

[@pt8086]

Thank you Austin for this video! That was really interesting, learned a lot, didn’t know that even in our Supreme Court there is one of the nine that is the Chief Supreme Court Justice. That seems most logical to me.

[@GospelSimplicity]

My pleasure!

[@norwegiancatholicism9106]

What would you say about the arguments you've heard for the papacy so far? Have you looked into the Jewish roots that the Papacy has, as well as the Old Testament? (I'm sure you have, just wanting to ask either way) And btw I recommend this video for further study: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3u0haybnqititU

[@susanmiller6737]

Love Trent!!!!!! I am also a convert❤

[@Lerian_V]

Excellent interview. Do Tim Staples next.

[@GospelSimplicity]

He's on my hopeful list for 2021!

[@TheDanzman1211]

Or even Patrick Madrid (Great Catholic Debater!)

[@Lerian_V]

@@TheDanzman1211 I think Tim being a former protestant will relate with him better.