Protestant Talks to Catholic Experts on Mary (w/ William Albrecht and Fr. Christiaan Kappes)

When it comes to issues that divide Protestants and Catholics, Mariology is a big one. To Catholics, it seems Protestants are disrespecting the Mother of God, and to Protestants, it seems like Catholics might be nearing the edge, if not going over the edge, of idolatry. Because of this tense dynamic, honest, open conversations between Catholics and Protestants on Mary can be hard to come by. In this episode, I talk with William Albrecht and Fr. Christiaan Kappes about Mary. In this conversation, we focus on what the Bible has to say about Mary. Often times, conversations on Mary center around tradition, and while that's a worthwhile conversation, if Protestants and Catholics want to find common ground on Mary, it's essential that we look to the Bible and see what Scripture teaches about Mary. Is it enough to merit the Marian dogmas? Are the Marian dogmas Biblical or are they all blown way out of proportion? After all, what does the Bible even say about Mary? These are all questions that we tackle head on in this conversation.
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[@amandah8178]

I’m about half way through it on Patreon and enjoying this discussion so much! I’m always very excited when I learn a new Biblical connection and this conversation has several that I’ve never learned about before. Everyone, get on Patreon and get an early viewing! You won’t be disappointed!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks Amanda! I’m so glad you’re enjoying it!

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

I fully endorse becoming a patron on the Gospel Simplicity patreon page. Austin is one of the sincerest and nicest guys we have ever done an interview with. This interview was one of our meatiest and we explored deep connections in the Scripture and the Fathers!

[@amandah8178]

@@WilliamAlbrecht - You and Fr Kappes did such an excellent job with this interview and in your research. I'm a convert from Protestantism and even though I've done a lot of research on Mariology, I've never heard it explained with the same approach that you used. Catholicism saved me from leaving Christianity altogether and in turn she taught me about typology which renewed my love for the Bible. Your approach to the typology surrounding Mary was something I hadn't heard before and it was such a thrill to hear and learn! I just ordered your book and can't wait to read it!

[@lefooo]

@@WilliamAlbrecht William, please keep you humbleness, it motivates me. Awesome work man !

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

@Harley Mann Sure, we bring this out in the book where we quote Fathers and Historians as well. In a show and or debate, there simply isn't enough time to go through all of this. Mark 6 is the definite dagger grammatically in identifying them as relatives. Thanks for your input. Blessings!

[@RicardoReyes]

As a lay person, with no theological courses under my belt, I have read a ton on my own, especially on Mary. What these two gentlemen presented shows that I've only just begun scratching the surface. There's so much to read and study! Thanks again for another great video

[@fiveadayproductions987]

Williams and Fr. Kappes book is excellent especially in setting out the approach. Another fantastic book for me to see the Ancient Jewish connections with Mary was "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary" by Dr. Brant Pitre. God Bless.

[@RicardoReyes]

@@fiveadayproductions987 I actually have the audio book "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary"! It's in queue. ☺️

[@fiveadayproductions987]

@@RicardoReyes Awesome! It's one of my favourite Mariology books. Although I'd read William Albrecht and Fr. Kappes' book first because they really well establish the Scriptural reasoning in a way I have not seen. If you want a very good reference/textbook on Mary check out "Mariology: A Guide for Priests, Deacons,seminarians, and Consecrated Persons" Although it's quite an old book it has some amazing insights connecting liturgical usage, moral Theology etc.

[@GospelSimplicity]

They really are encyclopedic in their knowledge. It was great chatting with them!

[@paulafragomeni]

“O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.” Tota Tua ego sum Maria, et omnia mea Tua sunt ✨🙏🏻✨

[@parists5455]

Pardon me to comment but I would like to point out a very significant difference with Orthodoxy here, for whom it may be of interest. "Conceived without sin?" The so called "immaculate conception". That's not acceptable according to Orthodox dogma. One of the main and very very serious and important differences from Catholicism. If Mary is conceived without sin, that makes her kind of super-human. Thus, God is like he is disgusted by human nature and found a way to bypass this by creating a predestined superhuman. Also, the value of Mary diminishes, as she seems like pre-designed for this. Like a robot. But how could the true human nature be conceived and healed by God if that was the case? This is so wrong. Contrary to all this false dogma, Orthodoxy claims that Virgin Mary was a human being exactly like all of us, conceived in the same way as all of us. God took his human nature by a true human being like all of us, not a super-human, not a robot specially designed for this. A human being that was not pre-designed and pre-ordained to do so, but was free to accept or not accept. God just pre-knew, not predetermined ,that this normal in all human being would be the peak of virtues and clarity, the most holy human that never committed sin even by thought, the only worthy of carrying Him for nine months and being called His mother forever.. Many Orthodox fathers agree that this was the only reason He chose the Israelites as his people, because he pre-knew that Mary would come from them. And she was absolutely free to choose. She was asked by Archangel Gabriel. And she responded "here is the servant of God" i.e I take responsibility with my freedom and obey with my freedom to you God, to give birth to the Son of God and Second person of the Holy trinity the eternal God. Thus she became the bridge that connected the humanity with God, through which God descended from Heavens and human goes up to Heavens.

[@paulafragomeni]

@@parists5455 I’m a Roman Catholic Apostolic ✨🙏🏻✨

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@Harley Mann Yeah exactly, Adam and Eve were both immaculated too… Until the fruit incident

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@Harley Mann Yeaah! And thanks :^)

[@tessa7413]

@Harley Mann yes, and the typologies between Mary and Eve (conceived without sin), & Mary & the Ark of the Covenant (made of the purest materials) both point to Mary as being immaculately conceived. I've also heard it said that to be in a sinless state is to be more "fully human" as that is how we are intended to be! I honestly think that when it comes to Mary (and some other things), the Catholic Church has a deeper understanding than do the E. Orthodox.

[@june_of_92]

Austin, you're more catholic than you realize. Praying for your coming home :)

[@franciscomartinez5983]

Totally agree

[@hei7586]

I do understand it, but don't try and push people. Everyone has got his own journey with faith. And if he ends up catholic or orthodox or an evangelical who understands and accepts, maybe even loves catholic and orthodox thinking and theology, that is absolutely fine. Let's try and be as open and accepting as he is in these beautiful interviews. Because that is why they are so beautiful!

[@Solideogloria00]

We Protestants are catholic already. We are home :)

[@franciscomartinez5983]

@@Solideogloria00 I'm sorry. Protestants are not at home. Church is the home obviously Catholic Church. However you are our brothers, separate brothers. We'll be waiting for you always

[@june_of_92]

@@hei7586 not pushing him or anything :) I'm just praying for wherever the spirit would lead him. I'm sure he'll have a great story to write in the end. Such a great guy

[@halffasthaiku7526]

Austin, where have you been all my KZbin life!!!???? I’ve been devouring your videos since discovering your channel just a few short days ago. I’m a 65 year old cradle Catholic down in New Orleans, Louisiana. ( just to show you a piece of your demographic)

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you found the channel!

[@actsapologist1991]

I hope you guys discuss the theological implications of William's upper arm and bicep being the size of a mail truck.

[@GospelSimplicity]

😂😂

[@IoannesBaptista]

These guys pack some serious muscle & mariology

[@amboisberto5704]

I love this conversation. I’ve learned a lot about Mary. I love her more and more

[@carolinafine8050]

There is something so beautiful and comforting about thinking of Mary as our mother too (Behold, your mother!).

[@bcalvert321]

She is not our mother.

[@bcalvert321]

@@waltervandenham3793 TRUE.

[@SR-zd3cu]

Great show. Kudos to all involved. As a Protestant I am more and more drawn to the Gospel of our Lord as I learn to engage with Catholic and Orthodox traditions and theology. Together, even with our differences, we are being built into the Church, the Body of Christ, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it!

[@allopez8563]

The Body of Christ is the church exposed by St. Paul with a body of presbiters that serve as priests. You can see clearly that some new doctrines put salvation in peril. Mormons and Jehovas witnesses for example. Adventists are judaizants who want to keep the law just as the christians who were corrected in the council of Jerusalem.

[@deusvult2302]

That is wrong as a former Protestant I regret to inform you that Protestants are not an apostolic church, you have NO/ZERO deposit of faith! There is nothing there that would link Protestantism to TRUE MAGISTERIAL CATHOLICISM (meaning NOT the NONSENSE BY the public heretic anti pope in Rome/ who has even abandoned the heretical Novus Ordo sect)!

[@christianfaith5348]

This is exciting... Last words of Jesus to his Disciple: “Behold your mother!” (John 19:27)

[@rebelsguide9770]

Mary and John at the Cross: His earthly father, Joseph, was already dead. The Lord could not commit Mary into the care of His half brothers, James and Joses and Judas and Simon, since they were not yet believers. (John 7:5 For not even His BROTHERS believed in Him) They did not become believers in Jesus until after His resurrection (Acts 1:14 - 1 Cor. 15:7) Therefore He entrusted her to John; he became as a son to her in Jesus’ place... Jewish Tradition - THAT’S ALL. NOTHING MORE!

[@SuperrBoyful]

RebelsGuide Who came up with that theory?

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@@rebelsguide9770 That's one of the proofs that Mary is a perpetual virgin. If She had other sons, Jesus wouldn't had to put her custody in St John; Her custody would go automatically to the next older son.

[@rizzogizzo6000]

@@carolusaugustussanctorum wow! Good point!

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@@rizzogizzo6000 Thanks!!

[@danim2897]

Austin is killing it with this Chanel!!! Awesome guests and content!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@csterett]

Wow! Even as a “cradle Catholic” they shed light on things I didn’t know/realize. They were very knowledgeable and put it on a level that the “person in the pew” can understand. Another great job Austin!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad it was helpful!

[@noway325]

Cradle Catholics is that an American thing ?

[@fathercyprian]

@@noway325 No. It's a fairly common expression here in the UK too. "Cradle Orthodox" is also common.

[@csterett]

@@noway325 "Cradle Catholic" is a term used for a person who has been raised as a Catholic from birth. In my case, my dad (who was an adult convert but you'd never know it) had me baptized when I was three days old. I was raised in a family that went to Mass each Sunday and Holy day of Obligation. My mom taught me my prayers and I attended Catholic elementary school. Whether that tern is an American thing or not I can't say.

[@fiveadayproductions987]

William and Fr. Kappes are always excellent. 👌🏼 Can't wait.

[@GospelSimplicity]

They’re encyclopedic in their knowledge. It was great talking with them

[@liammccann8763]

'No one can have God as a Father who does not have the Church as his mother' - St Cyprian.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Calvin quotes this (approvingly) in the Institutes

[@jeromepopiel388]

For the obvious reason that "faith comes by hearing" and thus, we require a human witness who is a born again ambassador of God.

[@fiveadayproductions987]

Good to see Fr. Kappes in the flesh rather than just his voice as usual. What wonderful gentlemen! Thanks Austin. Will get a Patreon once I am in employment, but thank you for making it available for free.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it! It's a joy getting to share content for free, and I'm so grateful for the many people that I've benefitted from their free content. If your situation works out one day to help support the channel financially, that's wonderful, but no worries at all about watching it free. I'm just grateful that people would take the time to watch!

[@barry.anderberg]

Where do you listen to Fr. Kappes?

[@fiveadayproductions987]

@@barry.anderberg He often appears on a channel called "Reason & Theology" where he usually joins only with audio and not video so it's nice to see him in person with this interview.

[@AjRobinsonUg]

Phenomenal interview

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@raydudo3672]

I’m 12 minutes in and I’m already blown away by the knowledge. Just from the introduction! Great job as always Gospel Simplicity

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying it

[@akshayachu3964]

I'm so happy to see devout young Christians in America, like you. Well done Austin bro. Go ahead and we are with you. One day the whole America will embrace the true faith. Amen.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

Amazing Video Love when religious people disguss wholesomely about the blessed holy woman God chose to carry, and be the mother of His Son (That is also God); Mary, mother of Jesus

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@coondogbob]

Austin man you are just rocking it! You have such pleasant ways at dialogue,you really have a talent.. plus your always posting catholic content wich for me is awesome.you would make a great teacher.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for the encouragement!

[@myronmercado]

Oh my. Wonderful. This is just exciting!

[@holyfamilycrusader3512]

WILLIAM ALBRECHT!!!! He is so awesome and is pretty much the nicest guy on the internet

[@GospelSimplicity]

He really is so kind

[@richardlui5311]

Austin just has the good stuff lining up for us. Excited for this!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@mikeoconnor4590]

Yes Austin has had quite a fine assortment of theological conversations - thought provoking and consistently inculcated with charity

[@joecastillo8798]

I would like to share a passage from the Old Testament which describes the virginity of Mary: In the Old Testament we see a reference to Mary's perpetual virginity in a passage which describes a gate through which only the Lord could pass and shall remain closed. ▪︎EZEKIEL 44:2-3 2. The Lord said to me: This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut. 3. Only the prince, because he is a prince, may sit in it to eat food before the Lord; he shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way. God bless

[@myronmercado]

Amazing. Thanks!

[@lilwaynesworld0]

Luther used this as his proof in scripture that Mary was ever virgin

[@brunot2481]

St Ambrose and St Augustine are among the Church Fathers who honored Our Blessed Mother as the “Gate of the Temple of Jerusalem” that faced to the East. So Jesus Christ’s body is the new and definitive Temple, that He himself would rebuild in three days. Remember Jesus’ words and St John’s Gospel: _”Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up (...). But the temple he had spoken of was his body”_ (John 2, 19.21). Therefore, Mary is the gate of the Temple that faces to the east, the way by which the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity assumed a human body and became flesh, dwelling among us (John 1, 14). The Temple and the Gate of the Temple. That’s the mystery of Incarnation taken to the most rigorous biblical consequences. Notice: that gate should - it is God’s order, not a recommendation - remain eternally shut.

[@jesitacarvalho5456]

Wow I didn't know this thanks

[@joaneberhart5519]

Thanks for this.

[@Motomack1042]

For me this was the most substantive, informative conversation I have heard in a while. I have always trusted the Church on Her teaching knowing she did not just pull thing out of mid air, but used deep rooted understandings of the scriptures. Some of the things presented I was a ware of but most of it was I was not, it was a beautiful dive into scripture showing the timeless truth of the Church. Our Holy Mother is a caring, loving mother, I can attest to that from personal experience. Well done great interview, extremely impressed!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sheilatuano9633]

As a Roman Catholic, this Mariology is a deeper discussion of Mother Mary in the Bible and I find it very exciting to know that the Church which kept records that can be traced two thousand years beginning with the oral tradition, practices and the testimony of witnesses who were still alive when the Bible was first written were careful in giving the right interpretation based on the deep rooted understanding of the scriptures.

[@tradcatveils2442]

Excellent video once again Austin!! I am a Catholic convert, and when I first learned about mariology and typology - it really brought the bible to life!! God bless you

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@bcalvert321]

Mariology is a lie.

[@doesnotexist305]

@@bcalvert321 your idea of what Mariology is is a lie.

[@bcalvert321]

@@doesnotexist305 You cannot prove 99% of what the church believes about Mary by scriptures. It can't be done, most of it came centuries after she was dead.

[@mikelopez8564]

@@bcalvert321 if one belongs to an ecclesial community which sprung up in the last 50, or even 500 years, their beliefs will be shaped by the personal interpretation of dozens of post reformation theologians and ministers who started their own religions. Whereas, apostolic Churches have living memory to Jesus Himself. That SHOULD give you pause. While the church fathers’ writings are not Scripture, they are from a period adjacent to the apostolic age and in some cases written before Biblical books, thinking of the Didache. Some seek truth and some just want their ears tickled. There are gobs of mythical history that have been debunked by Protestant and Catholic scholars but gobbled up en masse because it hates someone the readers love to hate. That’s why this channel is awesome. Its content lifts the conversation. Not so much the comments section

[@imel444]

Incredible! Two days ago I had a strong desire to message you about having a series on Mary. Part 1 on Mary theology (✔), Part 2 on Marian apparitions (such as approved ones from Fatima, Lourdes, Kibeho), and Part 3 on Mary's role in spiritual warfare (perhaps with a guest Exorcist or someone who serves in the exorcism ministry).

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it! That’s an interesting idea

[@MaryMary-yz5gv]

Hi there. Please forgive me, as I am learning. What is meant by #3?

[@imel444]

@@MaryMary-yz5gv Oh good question! I've heard many times that demons are just afraid of Mary and often refer to her as "The Woman" or "The Madonna" during exorcisms, but never by her actual name. She is the humblest of all creatures and they are the proudest, so they are humiliated when beaten by Mary. During an exorcism, the late Fr. Gabriele Amorth had once said that the evil one said through a possessed person that "Every Hail Mary of the Rosary is a blow to the head for me; if Christians knew the power of the Rosary, it would be the end of me!"

[@MaryMary-yz5gv]

@@imel444 Thank you for answering my question. I appreciate it.

[@d.v.stuyvesant6944]

Fr. Ripperger has a YT channel call Sensus Traditionis. In the playlists are his spiritual warfare videos and a separate playlist of all his sermons that are on the Sensus Fidelium channel. He is quite brilliant.

[@killianmiller6107]

Interesting point on the theotokos dogma from the council of Ephesus: it was used to to bolster the identity of Jesus. To call Mary the mother of God is to make the claim that her son is God. Given the many gnostic and Arian heresies of the time that denied Jesus’s divinity, using scripture to prove that Mary is the mother of God leads to the conclusion that Jesus himself is God.

[@GospelSimplicity]

The context, as usual, is really helpful

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

Indeed. This is why one of Mary's many honorifics is Destroyer of All Heresies. Heresies about Christ come in the form of attacks on His full divinity or His full humanity (and sometimes both), but through the Gospel accounts of Mary, God safeguards the truth that He is fully Divine (conceived by the Holy Spirit) and fully man (born of the Virgin Mary). Proper Mariology is foundational to proper Christology.

[@robertojrantonio3443]

I like that. All the titles of Mama Mary and all the Saints should be a reflection of the glory of The Holy Trinity.

[@bcalvert321]

Jesus alone is Holy. The Holy Spirit made that possible, not Mary. Mary was a sinner just like every other human. There was nothing special about her until God chose her.

[@wolkenpower]

@@bcalvert321 I'm sure Christ will be really proud of you for being dismissive and irreverent towards his Mother.

[@eszhun2296]

Ah yes, the hurdle to becoming Catholic. Embrace your Mother!

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Yes and no. The immaculate conception and assumption have to be accepted to be a Catholic. Thereafter, Catholics are not obliged to give dulia in order achieve salvation.

[@briansardinas1359]

@Dissonant Timbres there is no reason to be so uncharitable towards us. It stifles understanding. Many saints in the East have also held views similar to the immaculate conception. If indeed Mary is the new Eve, as Jesus is the new Adam, it is fitting for both likewise to have been born without the stain of sin.

[@briansardinas1359]

@Dissonant Timbres again the claim that it's just roman nonsense is contradicted by your own saints and bishops. This is mean-spirited ignorance on your part: "The Orthodox Church calls Mary all-holy, immaculate, free from actual sin. The Orthodox Church has never made any formal and definitive pronouncement on the matter of the Immaculate Conception. In the past, individual Orthodox theologians have made statements that, if not definitively affirming the Doctrine of Immaculate Conception, at any rate closely approach it. But since 1854, the great majority of Orthodox reject it as necessary; as implying a false understanding of original sin; as suspecting the doctrine because it seems to separate Mary from the rest of the descendants of Adam and Eve, putting her in a different class. However, if an individual Orthodox today felt impelled to believe it, he could not be termed a heretic for doing so." - Greek Orthodox Bishop Kallistos Ware

[@AJanae.]

Yep that was my biggest hurdle was accepting mary as who she was, not just a story character to support jesus but our actual spiritual mother! And also the pope. Still on the rocks about that one but over all I accept it

[@briansardinas1359]

@Dissonant Timbres no Catholic claims that the immaculate conception refers to Jesus. Is this some kind of joke? The Orthodox have not dogmatized it but it is not out of line for them to believe it. Otherwise you are contradicting your own Bishops. I'm not going to argue strawmen. Peace.

[@justinhowell8873]

This book is given great reviews in the most recent quarterly magazine of my former Seminary, St. Vincent, LaTrobe, Pennsylvania. Doctor Scott Hahn of Franciscan University of Steubenville also gives this book great reviews!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Nice!

[@brunot2481]

I’ve started reading William Albrecht’s and Fr Kappes’ book on my Kindle. Really, it is a very good work that everybody interested in theology should read eventually. Great stuff and probably a fantastic talk to come!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you’re enjoying it!

[@verenice2656]

I’m excited for this.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@tomgjokaj3716]

Austin thank you for another wonderful program God bless you and your guests 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@tatogl2616]

This will be great (been loving the videos that are coming out recently btw).

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@dannydeluca5365]

Jeremiah , I appreciate your open mindess and dialogue! God bless you, I hope you continue on your journey to the fullness of faith and truth!

[@Ryan-nv3dz]

This is my new favorite KZbin channel

[@GospelSimplicity]

I'm so glad to hear that!

[@manavaohea6027]

Also check out Dr Brant Pitre's book on Mary, "Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary"

[@GospelSimplicity]

I’ve read it!

[@srourfamily]

That is a great book for research

[@zoraidaiglesias934]

Awesome, awesome conversation and discussion. Thank you so much. We really enjoy your videos. May God Bless you always and Virgin Mary always hold your hand.

[@magdalenelah8231]

Thanks Austin’s🙏 great topic & enjoyed learning from your channel🙏🙏🙏

[@GospelSimplicity]

My pleasure!

[@loveamdg]

Hey Austin came across your channel a few weeks ago and just want to say that I’m really grateful for these videos you’re making. I’m one of the many Catholics who sincerely appreciate your curiosity & openness to dialogue regarding these crucial Christian concepts. God give you His peace.

[@GospelSimplicity]

I’m so glad you’re enjoying it!

[@grantlauinger8663]

You ask really good questions! You are a bright young man. Thanks for the respectful dialogue that seeks understanding. Our world would be much better off if we could all follow your example.

[@090Nessa]

William is amazing , I have been able to jump on some zoom courses and have bought his book. Looking forward to this !

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@tmlavenz]

So informative and helpful. Thank you for this one! (as for them all!) 🙏

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@hei7586]

Hi Austin, thank you again very, very much for this astonishing channel and especially for this beautiful interview. I still love the very kind and respectful way you are doing these interviews. No wonder that you get really good people to come and join you here! Today I learned quite a lot of things I hadn't heard of before. I would love to hear educated people like these speaking about how Mary does and does not occur in their personal devotion and spiritual life. (catholic here converted from lutheran church)

[@maishayangu9216]

Thank you for the wonderful talk guys. It is very enlightening and i hope a lot of your watchers have found the answers thet seek. God bless you.

[@maishayangu9216]

What if you look at the problematic verses regarding Jesus' brothers and sisters through the eyes of the verses at the foot of the cross. There are 3 Marys named there. Mary the mother of Jesus, mary Magdaline and Mary the wife? Of Cleophas? (If i haven't forgotten) and the favorite disciple(John) were present and after Jesus commissions both Mary and John, to each other, we are told the disciple took Mary home to live with her. If Jesus had had his own siblings, i would imagine , John would not have taken her to his home to live with her. Wouldn't you agree.

[@christopherlovato8949]

It was the misunderstanding of Mary, taught by churches I've been to, that brought me back to the Catholic Church. Mary is one of the most important and divine people in the bible and her place in the heavenly realm is undeniable. I can't understand how people who have done an in depth biblical study of Mary are missing this.

[@srourfamily]

Pray the rosary everyday and i enjoyed the book , some might find it challenging but it helps for research, i loved the book. Great work Mr.Gospel Simplicity thanks again for your kindness and charity!

[@actsapologist1991]

I'd never heard of these two before, but I am glad I did now. Their love of Scripture is right on the surface. A great interview.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad I could introduce you to them!

[@actsapologist1991]

@@GospelSimplicity , If I could add one other thing: At one point you asked what the purpose and of all the Marian devotion is. Well, I was listening to a conversion story from a woman who came into the Church from Atheism. She had had trauma with men in her past and was unable to deal emotionally with worshiping the MAN Christ Jesus. Her entry point to the Christian faith was Marian devotion. First she was at ease with this woman. Then she was at ease with the child Jesus. Then she became at ease with the man Christ Jesus. A church without Marian devote would have had no doorway for her. That story stuck with me.

[@Mkvine]

Very informative, great interview.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@LisaKnobel]

Thanks for the openness to Mary. Gotta run I'm late for 3 o'clock hour.

[@katiebethblake]

Phenomenal interview!

[@MrPeach1]

Gospel Simplicity is becoming my go to channel for all things Catholic. I love the fact that a prominent Catholic Channel is run by an evangelical.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Haha, who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor, right? In all seriousness though, I’m so glad you’re enjoying it!

[@christinacastillon6439]

I just order both of their books! Can’t wait to read them.. thanks for this interview 🙏🏼

[@peacemungtsa]

Really enriching video thanks and God bless you all

[@captainMAE]

I love how your videos help me grow deeper and stronger in my Catholic faith. I appreciate you and you are definitely doing God’s work. May God continue to bless you, your channel, and your spiritual journey.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you're enjoying the videos!

[@tesschavit3009]

God bless you guys

[@ravesp35]

You want a living encyclopedia on your show? Get Catholic Apologist Jimmy Akin from Catholic Answers on your show. He’s gentle, reasonable, charitable, and humble like yourself, and I truly believe your conversations would be blessed and productive. Jimmy literally knows everything about everything, and it would be such an edifying conversation. God bless you Austin in your ministry, and I pray for your continued walk in your faith journey into deeper levels of truth in Christ!

[@GospelSimplicity]

I’d love to! Any topic you think he’s particularly good with?

[@ravesp35]

@J. Lewis he is a convert to Catholicism correct

[@imnottheone5538]

@J. Lewis Marino Restrepo’s testimony is impactful! Love his ministry Peregrinos de Amor/ Pilgrims of Love and all it does in the work of evangelization and bringing the message of the Gospel Christ worldwide. Such a true and urgent heart for the task of saving souls.

[@peacemungtsa]

Really enriching video thanks and God bless you all!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Our pleasure!

[@keepinthefaith6433]

Thank you to all who made this discussion possible! I appreciate the depth of each of your interviews. I would love to spend some time learning from a Jewish scholar, particularly someone(s) whose area of study focuses on Jewish tradition, language, and teachings immediately before, during, and after Jesus's time on Earth. On a related note, it would be fascinating to hear the perspective and insights of a current Messianic Jew. Thanks again; this must take an incredible amount of behind-the-scenes work for both interviewer and interviewees!

[@HosannaInExcelsis]

super interesting video. these guys know their stuff.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jonathansmith4712]

I’m sure you get endless suggestions of people to interview, but may I add Brant Pitre, Tim Staples, and Scott Hahn? :)

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for the recommendations!

[@craig2535]

Austin, You do a good job formulating your questions and develop a good discussion with your guests. You also let your guests speak without interrupting and give them opportunities to comment. Nice job.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@mminlovewithflo]

can't wait! :D

[@GospelSimplicity]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@mminlovewithflo]

@@GospelSimplicity thank you lovely Austin

[@mminlovewithflo]

@@GospelSimplicity Finally found some time. It exceeded the expectations :) I learnt so much! That was deep information about methodology and ermeneutics of the Bible. Loved it. Thank you for the always great content!

[@villentretenmerthjackdaw4205]

Hey Austin! What an amazing episode! Mariology and Typology as a whole are fascinating. I wish I had an understanding of Greek like Fr. Kappes. If you want a really unique book on Mary check out "The Virgin Mary and the Theology of the Body" it's quite original and it has some amazing insights on spiritually and practically the image of the life of Mary touches upon the human person, life, culture. It isn't an apologetic book at all and something so unique like nothing I've read before.

[@GospelSimplicity]

So glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the recommendation!

[@villentretenmerthjackdaw4205]

@@GospelSimplicity No worries, I'm just so appreciative of your work and not having a hostile attitude towards Mary/Catholicism and providing a platform for s rich diversity of thoughtt from various theological traditions. These conversations have really benefitted my own faith journey and thought. God Bless.

[@sillybearss]

Austin and the teasing. Too bad I’m an intern right now and barely surviving with my internship allowance :’D

[@GospelSimplicity]

As someone commented the other day, just helping everyone grow in patience!

[@daisyflower3715]

Austin, I will pray for you. I know it must not be easy for you to accept or understand Marian dogma and the rosary. I have a lot of family members who are protestants and are disrespectful towards Mary, the Mother of God. Thank you for being patient, respectful, and honest with Catholics. Pray to God to help you to understand. From God, Our Father, I have learned the importance of fatherhood. From Mary, I have learned the importance of motherhood. God bless you. 🙏

[@rosiegirl2485]

As a Catholic, that totally loves our Lady...I thought I had a pretty good understanding of her, but have come to see..I have much to learn! To me, it's kind of like peeling back the many levels of rose pedals! I love that St. Luke recognized that she was a rose! Thank you! 🌹

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad this video was enjoyable!

[@beatrizmezzadra2764]

Awesome video. With lots of substance👍

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you liked it!

[@rc3088]

Ordering their book now😁

[@rosedcosta5745]

The best interview EVER! Thank you Austin and God bless you! I'm a cradle catholic who left the church as a young adult because of my ignorance about Mary! I'm a happy revert because of the early church fathers and current ex protestants and cradle catholic apologists.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you enjoyed the interview!

[@johnflorio3052]

Although I am Catholic I find the Greek Orthodox defense of our Blessed Mother’s perpetual virginity far more compelling than our own. Basically, it comes back to language.

[@CristinaaaMx]

GOD BLESS HIS ONE AND ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH 💗

[@nazor2643]

Thank you!

[@GospelSimplicity]

You're welcome!

[@user-bx7jy7go6k]

Hey Austin and everyone , I just wanted to tell you that the word "on the contrary" used the Apostol Luke in 11:27 is μενούνγε (menoonwe) The same word was used in Rome 10:18 , Rome 9:20 , Philippians 3:8 having the meaning "of course" "indeed" etc. Jesus actually answers (according to ancient greek ofc) "Of course , but blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it" He replied that way to point that blessing and God's grace are not iherited by birth or biological relation to someone but from faith in the word of God(hear the word of God) and actions on it(and obey it). Μενούνγε (not μενούν) is made this way Μεν+ουν+γε When they all come together they enhance the meaming of the word they are added to. Μενούνγε=indeed but ("but" comes from μενουν and "indeed" from γε) And Luke 11:27 made Luke 1:48 come to pass Some times i feel so blessed being born greek 🙏🙏🙏 Praise the LORD that he is good and that his rachem endures forever

[@barblacy619]

Thank you!

[@jeremiahong248]

Luther loved Mary and prayed the rosary.

[@GospelSimplicity]

That comes up in this video!

[@myronmercado]

He believed and celebrated the feast of the Immaculate conception.

[@dmd418]

That's actually kinda sad that even though he was devoted to Our Lady of the Rosary he still caused a huge schism. Do you think the promises of the Rosary still applied to him? Did he pray it after he was excommunicated? Im just curious, not trying to be antagonistic, it's hard to relay questions on the internet.

[@jeremiahong248]

@@dmd418 Not schism but division. Schism only applies to the Orthodox Church. Will the promises of the rosary apply to him ? Objectively only God knows. For some of us, we remember what Jesus said in Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter

[@dmd418]

@@jeremiahong248 thank you.

[@johnlee6780]

A interesting note for the assumption of Mary - The church either Catholic or Orthodox, none have any first class relic of Mary. We have first class relic of the apostles and early martyrs, but strangely no Mary.....

[@myronmercado]

We also know where all the Apostles died and buried but not Mary.

[@jeremiahong248]

@ John Lee. There is no first class relic of Mary because she is assumed to heaven as evidenced by Rev 12:2 😀

[@phoult37]

And Mary is not the 1st person in the Bible to be assumed, so the OT precedent is already established for her Assumption.

[@TitusFlavius11]

Actually, there are parts of the alleged Robe of the Theotokos

[@johnlee6780]

@@TitusFlavius11 That is a second class relic. First class relic are actual body parts of the saint. The church also doesn't have any 1st class relic of Jesus, but we have 2nd class relics like the shroud, crown of thorns, the spear, etc.

[@whitewolf1298]

All you need to know is that Mary is the Mother of God. Ponder that in your heart, it's no wonder Catholics honor her. Before Vatican II, Catholics just believed what the Church taught because we knew her doctrine was revealed by God, we didn't need any more proof. "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible"

[@rc3088]

Lol...I read the Bible and I'm Catholic

[@jrb2565]

Try reading it again? 😁

[@brunot2481]

@@jrb2565 Yeah! Again and again! Doing it with attention (and deep love), that would be just the time when Protestants (highly intelligent scholars, theologian, pastors or even good faithful people with good will) become Catholic 😉! But it is a process and a journey, I will give you that, my friend!

[@barblacy619]

Me too! But, as a revert since 2009, I was trained to study the Bible by (in order of my wandering) the Jehovah Witnesses, Presbyterian Church of America, Assembly of God and culminated by my first Catholic study which taught me typology and Catholic perspective The Jeff Cavins/Sarah Christmyer/Tim Gray, “The Bible Timeline, The Story of Salvation” from The Great Adventure, A Journey Through the Bible series. I now read my scripture readings from the Mass with a trained eye and so enjoy attending Mass with the opportunity to worship and receive Jesus daily😊

[@bcalvert321]

I read it and I am not.

[@bcalvert321]

If a church gives more say to the tradition and history of that church than the scriptures that church is lost.

[@duals-growthofculture2085]

These cats are on point with their Mariology, God bless Grace in abundance

[@jorgevillamizar9350]

As to your question, you never excessively belabour a point, Austin. The elect of all denominations are starving for depth. We can find superficial answers in a million places, but few hit the deeper chords that this channel manages to bring together in a consistent bases.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@robertojrantonio3443]

That was a very good show.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@quayscenes]

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ "Deep Cut"

[@GospelSimplicity]

Glad you liked it!

[@lonelyberg1316]

Beautiful hair by the way. Keep it up

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@maryemilysmiley6146]

Thank you Austin. Another informative presentation. I have tried to add gospel simplicity to my patreon account. (I have one for Bishop Barron's Word on Fire.). My being a card carrying Luddite has precluded me from adding you. Patreon is trying to help me, but if my invincible ignorance precludes me, I will send you a check. A pittance to be sure, but w good will.

[@GospelSimplicity]

No worries about the difficulties! If I can be of any help, let me know. God bless!

[@myronmercado]

I want to hear William's conversion story!

[@bartee807]

I am a Catholic who reads the Bible! I even lead Bible Study in my parish! I am a convert from the Baptist denomination and it is one of the few things I’m thankful to that journey for.

[@fredericthieltges6853]

Love this Austin! As an evangelical who is learning more and more about Catholicism I begin to lay down many misconceptions. Also while disagreeing I really sympathize with William and Fr. Christiaan as I can now see and understand better where they are coming from. Well done! However I cannot see how someone could arrive at the Marian Dogmas without the magisterium. My stand is that if the Bible is not clear about something, it certainly shouldn’t be dogmatized. I still very much appreciate this conversation as I begin to cherish Mary more and more... Love the approach of seeing scripture through the lenses of the people it was primary given to. I believe it is necessary for understanding. However the question that came up during this video is: Is the god who used the apostles to give us the New Testament able to communicate through scripture in such a way with us today that scripture itself is clear about things that should be dogma? I believe HE is able. To my Catholic brothers and sisters a sincere question: without the magisterium would you still hold on to the Marian dogmas? If so: What convinces you? Would love to hear that! Love the ongoing convo between different confessions which is happening through this channel

[@unnikutta6514]

The best apologist on Mary is by far Tim Staples. I’d say Fr. Donald Calloway would have been a good invite too.

[@simonslater9024]

Only the Holy Spirit especially through the beautiful intercession of Our Lady can help protestant’s see the full truth of Our Lady in sacred scripture. I’ll give an extra I didn’t see that the parable if Dives and Lazarus was about Purgatory for 26 year’s until Dr Scott Hahn,opened my eyes through one of his brilliant book’s. God bless you professor Scott and your beautiful family. Also to see a scripture as it should be seen and heard after several decades of being deceived by protestant heresy. God bless all protestant’s.

[@benryangarcia]

As a Protestant, this was really interesting! I didn’t know Catholics had such thought out answers for some of these “problem passages”. Perhaps I’ll have to read their book to get their full perspectives, but I still feel like the prima facie interpretation of passages like Mark 3:31-35, and Luke 11:27-28 have some merit. Personally, I’ve found John 2:4 to be especially surprising with the language Jesus uses in dialoguing with Mary. The phrase “Τί ἐμοὶ καὶ σοί” [what have I to do with thee?] that Jesus says, as far as I’ve found, is only used between enemies, or those in conflict. The only other time it’s in the New Testament is when demons are talking to Jesus. I enjoy the hermeneutical tool of typology, I just fear Catholics are a bit to eager to apply it sometimes with Mary. Paul speaks of Christ as the new Adam in 1 Corinthians 15, and you would think it would be the perfect opportunity to mention Mary as the new Eve, but he doesn’t. I guess I could see Mary as the Ark of the Covenant... but I feel like Christ might fulfill that role just as well? idk. Mary being some regular, teenage girl from the middle of nowhere, and God using her to bring the greatest blessing just because- that feels right as a Protestant lol.

[@johnlee6780]

Hi, you might also look into Tim Staples' (once fervent anti-Catholic minister) book, "Behold Your Mother". There is more to the Biblical Mary than what Protestant are aware of. Tim explains the dogmas with a Protestant slant. Tip for you - Mary was already conceived in God's mind way back in the garden of Eden, when he spoke about the redemption after the fall of Adam and Eve.

[@matthewbroderick8756]

Benjamin, Yet, in John 2, Jesus Christ was moved to perform His first public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple. Even the blameless before God Elizabeth felt unworthy as the Mother of the Lord approached her, she the foretold woman in Genesis at enmity with satan! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

[@benryangarcia]

@@matthewbroderick8756 What you say is true, that despite Christ’s seemingly dismissive words, He does address His mother’s concern of the lack of wine. You’ll be pleased to know that I believe in the real presence in the Lord’s supper. May Christ humble and correct me if I’ve lightly esteemed Mary.

[@matthewbroderick8756]

@@benryangarcia please forgive me if I disrespected you!!! I have heard several Protestants incorrectly say that Jesus was rebuking His Mother for being forceful! Such a beautiful gift we have in the Lord's Supper, the new Passover Lamb to be consumed for our salvation! God's Peace to you always!

[@jadehart2257]

smart comment. best one here

[@rodionkadatskyi182]

Too many good content on this channel. It's illegal!

[@GospelSimplicity]

Haha, thanks Rodion!

[@kyriosbooks8400]

Please have them on to talk about their new book which concernes dogma of Transubstatination.

[@GospelSimplicity]

We’re in discussion about it!

[@mbohherberto1001]

A little correction Jephthah's daughter spent 2 months weeping with her friends in the desert.. God bless

[@trupela]

Well done again Austin! As a protestant, I don’t have very many issues with the statements made by your guests about Mary from scripture. We Protestants must begin to embrace Mary because, like all things on earth, she point’s beyond herself to God in Christ, and particularly to the divine feminine in the nature of God. Mary is a gift because she shows us the way to speak of God’s feminine nature. To be sure, Mary is a surrogate, in more ways than one, for God’s self-revelation.

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks!

[@johnhagerty3577]

watching your videos gives me new insight to my Catholic faith. I think many non Catholics have a very incorrect view of the Catholic church. We ARE Christians and we DO accept Jesus as our savior.

[@chrishanzek8930]

Why can't people with this level of intelligence run for president?

[@jeremiahong248]

That they may lose it once they are up there? LOL

[@terrytzaneros8007]

Chris Hanzek: they do. That's the problem.

[@zoraidaiglesias934]

Oh. You are so right.

[@SD-fk8bt]

Jesus said 'My Kingdom is not of this world'.

[@maysant2724]

Mary loves you , mother of God amen

[@aliceshaletdsouza8252]

I love more now my Holy Faith. I love Mother of Christ

[@rosiegirl2485]

Austin...I really do think you will convert, though I think you are not anywhere near there yet. You still have a wall that's firmly in place, though I do believe you are going to learn your way in. Then it's a matter of how long it takes you to allow it to go from your head to your heart! Enjoy your journey of falling in love with our Blessed Mother! ❤

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for sharing these thoughts. Everyone seems more sure of that than I feel, but I appreciate everyone's kindness and support

[@rosiegirl2485]

@@GospelSimplicity I believe it was Dr. Scott Hahn that said his protestant seminary didn't teach from all the early father's, or Marcus Grodi about the verse's he never heard, or Jimmy Akin's acceptance on church authority, or Steve Ray's emotional conversion, this list goes on and on..you should look at their personal arguments. You sound an awful lot like them 20-30 years ago! You are young, and very smart, your willing to learn, and these interviews are opening you up to teachings that your schooling most likely won't be addressing. Again, your a really smart guy and I can't wait to hear your conversion story..and to add you to that list! 🌷

[@IoannesBaptista]

Theotokos pray for us!