Gov. Gavin Newsom on Prison Reform and Ending Mass Incarceration | The Problem with Jon Stewart

Fear not, America! We're still #1…with incarceration rates among industrialized countries. In our newest episode, “America’s Incarceration Epidemic,” we sat down with California Governor Gavin Newson at San Quentin State Prison to discuss our criminal justice system.
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[@brinistaco1970]

Thanks Jon. I work in a prison as an electrician. I have incarcerated individuals that work for me. I teach them electrical work. Most of my guys after release have gone on to work in the field. The reason I stay working in that job is to teach people. I can only teach about 3 at a time but they all want to learn and work hard. I wish that I could do more but I function with certain constraints. There are definitely problems with mass incarceration. There are sometimes actual victories. What you are doing here is great work. Many people in the US are unaware of these issues and I believe more awareness brings some hope to this situation.

[@merc3375]

You're awesome! Kudos to you.

[@ronpetersen2317]

The problems start before they get there. They need more programs to keep people from turning to crime. But glad to hear you are there doing your part. Teaching them skills is essential to rehabilitation.

[@mt7able]

Keep up the good work!

[@riverseverywhere]

Thank you so much, David, you're doing incredible, thankless work. Keep it up.

[@Nawalta]

Thank you for what you do brother. Send those guys our love.

[@ccervantesclx7]

Love that John is enlightening political minds and exposing systemic shortcomings. Don’t stop!

[@theamericanopry]

Never once mentioned Firefighting for $1 or the Billions to bailout SVB.

[@AcademicOrientation]

@@theamericanopry He literally has an episode about the banks.

[@mkself3231]

@@theamericanopry That wasn't the subject of this interview, that's on another episode...check it out.

[@samphares8057]

100% agree, this is the slow transformational shared understanding of the change needed.

[@twentyarms]

The problem is that passively consuming this media doesn't actually DO anything, but it makes people feel virtuous from their media habits. If there's no follow through, you might as well be watching paint dry.

[@Maddie9185]

This world needs more people like Jon Stewart.

[@Maya_Pinion]

Alot more.

[@Skeaik]

And a lot less of Gavin Newsome

[@AntonoirJacques]

USA needs more people like Jon Stewart

[@audraeden8923]

Jon has a big heart. He was a knight for Justice when he got in Congress' face about funding for first responders. Lectured and shamed them. They camped out in DC and it shouldn’t have been necessary. He's genuine. He should be drafted to serve one term. Become one of them. It will scare the others into submission.

[@slingshotnerd]

@@Skeaikthe fact that you believe that goes to show how gullible you are to the Faux News propaganda machine

[@TheYamsoona]

Jon, your country needs you. Please carry on.

[@valuedCustomer2929]

His lack of views says diffferent

[@ocean1233]

John Stewart definitely speaks out on TRUTH and Accountability ‼️ What we MUST HAVE 👏

[@TheJonnyEnglish]

Jon

[@murrieta49]

Russel Brand would call him a cockeyed optimist reformist liberal media darling

[@notchomomma239]

@@murrieta49 Russell Brand is a cult leader who's been drinking his own kool-aid. He reminds me of the old snake oil salesmen who would state 3 unquestionable facts, slip one fact in that's straight bullshit, then use the fake one to convince you to buy something. He might not be a conman, but you don't learn to talk like a conman by accident.

[@anthonynugent1615]

I love you Jon, grew up a conservative kid, thanks for helping me wake up.

[@kennymetz187]

Can't wait to hear from you after you've grown up and worked a real job paying real taxes

[@purpmoose]

@@kennymetz187 I work 40-60 hours a week. Grew up in a very religious very conservative family. Yeah bud, I’m still going to advocate for those less fortunate and not demonize people for their situations when they want to improve. Maybe you should look inward at your own emotional pitfalls as to why you are so bitter that you listen to fear mongering morons on the conservative side of politics. Making assumptions but by your comment i can tell you’re a little dense. Also, i’ll add, paying taxes is part of being a citizen. As someone from the 3rd world, anyone in the first world complaining about paying taxes doesn’t see the benefit that those taxes bring. Honestly it just shows how little y’all pay attention to your communities and how little you care about your fellow countrymen. It’s really unpatriotic.

[@tylertyler82]

@@kennymetz187 Real job? most conservative areas of the country are poor and full of drug addiction. Let me know when Trump voters grow up and stop blaming all of their personal problems on Mexicans and drag queens.

[@joellahrman4557]

@@kennymetz187 Uh-huh. Not sure about Anthony but I have grown up and I do work a real job. And I'm usually on Jon's side.

[@johnnysack3673]

@@kennymetz187 ever see what the crowd at a Trump rally looks like? Bunch of poor white trash on welfare or seniors living off social security and Medicare. Red states are also poorer and more crime ridden.

[@peggyzimmerman1555]

What is sad is that the people who commit white collar never seem to get convicted at the same rate as a person who shop lifts because they a hungry. Who are the real criminals in our society.

[@treetopjones737]

Watch repub politicians. Do nothing for average people, it's only the billionaires they care about.

[@Zero11_ss]

When is the last time you saw a shoplifter stealing food though?

[@tylertyler82]

Most shoplifters don’t do it “because they’re hungry” They do it because they have drug addiction or other deep mental issues.

[@MasterVictor56]

@@tylertyler82 You are just justifying the treatment they get by saying that. There are people that steal food because they can't afford it, there are people that steal baby supplies because they can't afford them, and there are people that steal because of mental issues and addiction. They all exist. But they steal hundreds of dollars of stuff.. white collar criminals steal millions.. and the are almost never caught or charged. This is the injustice.

[@mkself3231]

@@Zero11_ss So you only believe people don't shoplift food, just because you've never seen it? Interesting.

[@zetectic7968]

There is no forgiveness or redemption in the US prison system. The public is vindictive & has a mindset that only very long prison sentences are the answer. Once you have served your sentence you should be assisted to reintegrated into society but the punishment continues as it is made difficult to get a job & many states still stop you from voting, which is beyond ridiculous.

[@acbower4468]

In all honesty, I wouldn’t hire a felon.

[@zwinmar21]

Thats the problem: you do the crime you do the time, but when your time paid you treated as if you you didnt. Why would anyone even try when they get out and are, at best, second class citizens with few rights?

[@Zero11_ss]

Prison sentences should be longer. Look at the average for rape or for pedos, its a joke. Then you have white kids getting off easy and people with jobs like a doctor basically having no accountability to a certain point

[@tonychacon1479]

Dude most people shouldn't even vote lets be real

[@alaeacusmcfly4353]

@@zwinmar21 Depends on the crime. If a person gets out after 5 - 10 years on a manslaughter charge, I don't believe there is enough "time" to forgive that. Just because the State says five years was enough, doesn't mean I have to agree with it and hire this piece of s**t who broke literally the number one rule in society we are taught from birth to abide by.

[@buddahluvaz8]

Props to Jon and his team of researchers. One of the best informative shows out there in my opinion.

[@trumpetmusic5672]

Never watched independent media? 😂

[@mikeiswhite3]

@@trumpetmusic5672 No, I don't care to see some random dude from Arkansas reading a Fox News article than ranting about it like the reactionary he is.

[@OLD.GREASE]

I love how all of my favorite KZbinrs meticulously plan their release dates for maximum engagement, ...and here's Jon releasing his videos at 3 am.

[@andhaynes]

European viewers

[@Jenifer_R_]

It's 7pm prime time here in Oz!! It's nice to just not be on the arse end of it for once.

[@kokushibyō-f9i]

@@Jenifer_R_ OZ!? Are you saying what I think you're saying? Got flying monkeys?

[@SanderSovrlic-alesov]

@@andhaynes Don’t think a lot of Europeans would be interested in Cali’s prison system and its problems, nor would they generally be familiar with who Newsom is.

[@nonscience3842]

@@SanderSovrlic-alesov You'd be surprised how knowledgeable some euros are about the US system and the major politicians in the game. From France

[@jaydisqus3353]

Jon allowed him to change the conversation. He was trying to talk about how people are treated when they get out... which is a big issue.

[@petedog9581]

How many people caught a felony drug possession case for having an Oxy or a crack rock? The War on Drugs has stigmatized those people for life when it comes to jobs, housing, benefits, etc., no mater if they turn it around or not. And for what? People are doing more drugs than ever. Hell, drugs that were felonies are now rec legal in some states. The whole criminal justice system is a racket in which politicians and corporations both grift off common folks.

[@B-Eazy_DatDude]

Thier on the same team

[@jaydisqus3353]

@@B-Eazy_DatDude he's usually better than that. He may have lost his fast ball. Holding both sides accountable was his strength.

[@dennisfarris4729]

How the folk are treated once out of gov. Control is up to you Did you offer a job? A place to live? That's not the Governors job.

[@jaydisqus3353]

@@dennisfarris4729 wow, I control every job outside of prison? Sure, I'd offer them jobs... Think better.

[@joshcook7180]

If people found out someone was in a bar fight, most folks wouldn't care. If they found out that bar fight resulted in them going to prison, suddenly that person is a threat when they get out. We put people in a place that makes them scarier when they get out and wonder why it's hard for them to get back into the fold.

[@auramedicci8740]

This will be a problem until we stop allowing the prison system in the US to be a privatized, for-profit industry. If they can get people trapped in a loop of repeated incarceration then they will, because that means more profit for the prison industrial complex. It provides incentive and ease for them to make it difficult for inmates to get out of prison/jail and to make it difficult for inmates to reintigrate to the rest of society when the incarceration industry's employees entire paycheck and funding is based on the number of convictions and cells being filled, as well as the length of sentences and the rate of reincarnation. There is no motive to reint8grate people into functioning society, no incentive to help them live more lawful or successful lives. There is however much incentive to get them repeatedly locked up, for as long as possible and with as many charges as possible. They don't want criminals to become more successful and more lawful citizens, that takes money out of the pockets of those who run the prisons..

[@goatlandia8457]

@@auramedicci8740 people are being taught now, that there is no consequences to our actions. Defund the police, killing your baby like popping a tic tac in your mouth.

[@bruceanderson2051]

Release low risk offenders with embedded micro chip to track location for duration of sentence. If they offend, authorities will know it. If there is a crime, you could search a data base of all chip holders to see if any were in the location. Recidivism would drop dramatically and It would save millions,

[@auramedicci8740]

@@bruceanderson2051 so essentially you want to replace ankle monitors with subdermal implants? I don't see that technology eventually spreading to the general population in unpleasant ways at all... /s

Only English speaking countries think bar right are “acceptable” It’s atrocious that we normalise any type of violence. None of it is ok.

[@samantharuddock3066]

Love how politicians make it about themselves.

[@shoopusdawhoopus]

Love playing softball with Gavin!

[@jeremyathey8569]

Like speaking to a brick wall of inspirational quotes.

[@Arcwol]

Lololol, a little bit.

[@lordlemond1350]

Jon Isn’t even asking hardball questions, just honesty makes politicians squirm

[@alaeacusmcfly4353]

He would never ask Gavin Newsom anything difficult to answer. Gavin is the very poster child of Democratic governors.

[@daethalion1725]

@@gl22222 Newsome is full of shit, man. He talks a good game but look at his actual policy decisions. Look at who he feels beholden to. Case in point, when asked point blank why PG&E were still operating privately after causing multiple fires resulting in billions of dollars in property damage and dozens of deaths, he refused to even address the point. He wouldn't even acknowledge it.

[@lordlemond1350]

Larry summers was wayyy squirmy

[@ronpetersen2317]

@jcorb He always looks that way. He always has a squirmy douchebag demeanor. Mostly because his hands are covered in slime cutting deals with slime balls.

[@ronpetersen2317]

He should dug more into that guy that was released and killed people during that gang shooting. The DA begged the prison to not release that guy when they did. The programs in the prison system were put there by Newsom and people like him. That is why the DA blamed him. The governement can't even get the early release credits info from the prison system for this guy to find out what happened. And this guy was labeled as a non violent offender ... he was in jail for beating his girlfriend and dragging her out on the lawn by her hair. Non violent??

[@charlesmitchell9690]

When all of our problems are solved with money isn't it amazing how often we're reluctant to hand it over?

[@SapientFilms7]

Politicians are hypocrites !!!!

[@gregbrogan9061]

I have a god son / semi-adopted-son who has been in and out of prison. Coming out of prison, it's been too hard to get into regular working society, and his old gang was always there to welcome/threaten him back... He finally got out of prison, skipped probation and left the country to start a new life abroad. I don't know how he is going to manage it - he is doing fine now, started a business, has a fiancé and a baby on the way, but his passport will eventually expire so he has to gain another citizenship - hopefully, of his soon-to-be wife's. He is such a good, smart, charming guy, he just needed an opportunity.... There has to be a better system to bring ex-cons into society.

[@ronpetersen2317]

With the old gang issue sounds like he made the right decision. Though moving to another city might have done the same.

[@TheKad33]

@@ronpetersen2317When you’re in a gang simply moving to another city won’t save you. If they really wanted you then all you’d be doing is inviting them to take a road trip to finish you off.

[@mrtravispickle]

He can renew his passport and work the Visa system. Or, like you said, marry a national. There are lots of options, look into travel channels on youtube, particularly of expat communities and digital nomads. There are people living long term in all kinds of countries around the world, who rarely come back to the states. Best of luck, your god son sounds like he made a wise decision to escape the cycles.

[@gregbrogan9061]

@@ronpetersen2317 - His probation terms made it difficult to move to a new city. He was sleeping with a big knife next to his bed and every bump in the night had him expecting a rival gang attack. He just decided he had to leave the country.

[@gregbrogan9061]

@@mrtravispickle - He tried about 6 years ago to renew his passport while abroad and still supposed to be in the UK on probation - the embassy said he was a "fugitive" so would not renew his passport and he was then overstaying his visa while abroad and unable to travel without the new passport. Eventually he was caught overstaying his visa and ended up being sent back to the UK and going back to the UK prison. He was lucky when he got out of prison (still on probation) in the UK and applied for a passport that he had it issued to him... and was able to leave again. I really figured they would not issue him the passport and/or catch him as he tried to leave - but I guess one gov't department wasn't speaking to the other. Until he skipped probation and is actually wanted - then alerts come up when he tries to get a new passport or would fly back home. Yes - lots of Western foreigners living permanently abroad... My family left the USA in the 1960's and my brothers and I were raised outside the USA.... I still have the US passport but now have permanent residence in Hong Kong... Just difficult for my boy when his embassy won't renew his passport because he is now wanted as a fugitive because he skipped out of probation...

[@MrSneaksful]

For-profit prison system, for-profit healthcare system, for-profit government system. It all needs to change.

[@trinydex]

who is even talking about the prison industrial complex anymore? we have the lowest incarceration rates in decades in California. the results show. crime is up.

[@michaeltucker7129]

The biggest issue with the justice system is there's too many variations. Some people just need a little help, while others have long abandoned trying to work within the constraints of society. Whenever we learn too far one way or another no one is happy. If we're too strict, good people who just need a chance rot in jail, too lenient, people get hurt. It's not easy.

[@Krazie-Ivan]

...seems to me we should help people, instead of the focus on punishment length or leniency. actual rehabilitation & skill sets, which builds people up, and therapy for trauma/sociological issues. followed by restoring full rights & transitional help, thereby countering disenfranchisement & unemployment issues. time isn't a solution, so no wonder thinking of it in that way has been a lose/lose. course, we don't yet do these things even for people who've never committed a crime (which must be a cognitive decision to keep people down at this point). we allow/promote a system that exploits & leaves people to fend for basic necessities on their own, in environments we've divested from & abuse with all the needed-but-ugly things you don't want in your backyard. we purposely fail society, because a few up the chain benefit by doing so.

[@MrPeru510]

Jon you are an advocate for so many, now we (ex-felons) see you too. I got certified as an optician and contact lens examiner and couldn't get a job in the field even though I was far more qualified then others. It has been 14 years since my release (after 12 years or incarceration) and I've been hard at work but it hasn't been easy. I'm happy to say that I've been able to be very successful and have moved out of California. I opened a transitional house because I saw the broken part of parole which is the for-profit industry take all the state/fed money for. the $200 gate money does nothing, in SF that gets you a night or two then your put back with the wolves. We, ex-felons, will never have that stigma off of us. I'm 14 years out, credit score over 800, executive where I work, and still stress when someone looks me up, checks my background, etc. I can buy just about anything because I've established credit by following the "rules" but unfortunately I will never have my record reflect that I've completed my time and am "regular" again. Thanks again for all that you do, the smiles you bring in the process!

[@ksmith2852]

You may be an ex-convict but there are no ex-felons.

[@MrPeru510]

@@ksmith2852 100% agree, we never drop that off. And that is an injustice in and of itself.

[@suzanne3890]

@@MrPeru510 Is it true what I am seeing about prisoner 'wages?' I am stunned to learn of government agencies using incarcerated people for call centers and such with less than fifty cents per hour for pay. Even the minimum wage would go a long way toward restitution, child support, and family housing insecurity.

[@MrPeru510]

@Suzanne I had a really good job when I left in 2009 and I made $0.32 an hour. Fifty cents withhold have been awesome. There are a handful of prisons that have joint venture programs that pay inmates minimum wage, at least they used to. Hard to get those jobs though, great programs. They kept 40%, gave you 20%, made you send 20% home, and the last 20% went into an account for when you parole. Thata how it should be.

[@MrPeru510]

@Will Lewis that is a very poor stance when the system profits off them and charges ridiculous prices for the bare necessities, also giving people restitution that go up to the millions of dollars where they take half the money you make including half the money your support people send in. And I'll tell you, I was the victim of a crime, they caught the guy, I was told he would pay restitution and I would get it. I never got anything, but I paid mine later. The system is leveraged heavy against disenfranchised populations, poor people, and minorities. But I'm sure you know that.

[@Gabriel_H77]

If the goal is only punishmemt, reform is impossible. If reform is part of the goal, then former prisoners need to be treated fairly both in and out of prison.

[@ksmith2852]

Why? Why am I responsible for "reforming" a person. People, especially criminals, do not want the government telling them what to do and demand they stay out of their lives. However, when those same people want free things they are the first to demand the government fix problems they created for themselves.😂

[@Gabriel_H77]

@@ksmith2852 Why are you responsible? For the same reason criminals exist in the first place: Society requires order. We, as a society, demand certain levels of behaviour. Without that there is only anarchy. Without allowing criminals the opportunity to reform they will simply reoffend, unless you are suggesting all crime is punishable by capital punishment?!

[@sparshjohri1109]

@@ksmith2852 "Why am I responsible for "reforming" a person?" Because that person no longer being a criminal benefits you (and society at large)

[@deborahlukovich2193]

Thank you Jon for covering these issues that mainstream media doesn’t cover

[@jackskelington19]

I always think of Gob Bluth from arrested development when I hear Newsom speak.

[@joebriggs5781]

Haha I can’t unsee this. He is now Gob.

[@rameysavoie7442]

Lmao

[@angellacanfora]

"I've made a huge mistake"

[@angellacanfora]

@@gl22222 They both have kind of raspy voices.

[@carybird24]

I see GOB with Don Jr. Especially always talking about his "father"

[@ethanz3837]

The American Public is socially isolated as well as vindictive. The vindictiveness is most striking in its punishing evil, but the unfriendliness in public life is also odd.

[@zwinmar21]

I just 'love' how people act like they are somehow better than those in jail, everyone is one corrupt cop and/or one error away from being in jail themselves...well except if you are rich then the rules are different.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

Someone gets it!! Like everybody locked up is some low life amoral degenerate with no redeeming qualities when we know, or should know, that isn't the case.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

@@phukrnd840 What fantasy land on gum drop lane, with rainbow farting unicorns, part of the US do you live in where that is the case?

[@Maxrepfitgm]

@@phukrnd840 What poor reasoning and logic. So everyone locked up wants to hurt others for personal gain? Do you have any knowledge of the criminal justice system, like even a little bit?

[@Maxrepfitgm]

@@phukrnd840 You assume the only law you break is speeding, I can assure you, it is not! Keep living with the hubris and blissful ignorance that you're immune to false imprisonment, detainment, etc. I can assure you, you're not "hands down" better than people in jail or prison and depending on your race and socioeconomic status, you're definitely not miles away from it.

[@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou]

​@@MaxrepfitgmMost people in prison deserve to be there. Some frankly deserve worse. Only a slim minority are innocent.

[@faciasherman3655]

John! You are the best!! This is a regular citizen! Continue being you!!!

[@rahmreekoo86]

Okay here is what pisses me off. Jon correctly laid out criticism to Newsom's work and Newsom agreed with him, basically outraged at his own work as governor and Jon did not adress Newsom was doing that.

[@youbewb5581]

Its rare to see jon with someone who is his intellectual equal

[@marieugorek5917]

*eyes roll* People who have a great deal of self-respect because they are already treated by most of society with a great deal of respect REALLY need to stop acting like self-respect is going to do thing one about actually helping people find a future. Self-respect in the absence of real, material opportunities primarily results in anger. Anger leads to crime, or to apathy which then leads to crime.

[@ke3709]

I think he’s trying to say it’s an undervalued core tenant of one of the many aspects we need to be aware of and help change. I don’t think he was saying it’s the end all be all

[@mcwjes]

Like having a bandaid when CPR is needed. Frustrating.

[@SlushboxH8R]

@@phukrnd840 No. Lack of options leads to crime.

[@alalalala57]

@@ke3709 But that's what people want to think. People want to be angry, they don't want to hear additional perspectives.

[@Maya_Pinion]

True ....absolutely. Rage,anger ,comparing ones life to others etc ,leads normally to crimes,violent crimes to GET what u see others have....so many young chic's want to be like Kardashians, Hilton but what have they DONE really,except have $$,fame,surgery?

[@danieladams1752]

How does a society run on self-interest? What happens when self-interests collide? Who judges?

[@michaeld4861]

It's unnerving to see someone so smiley while talking about people being trapped in an endless cycle of prison hell.

[@djchaiwallah]

Gavin Newsom looks like a person who has spent their entire life trying to become president, and gives the vibe he doesn't actually know a damn thing

[@papichulo-DK]

As a young California who came from nothing to make something of myself. I want to be able to buy a home. Construct more houses block investors and foreign governments so people who have saved, make good wages, have good credit can buy a house.

[@justletmepostthis276]

Gavin Newsom looks as if Mitt Romney and Christian Bale had a baby. LOL. 😀😁🤣

[@DennisMoore664]

Newsom wants to be the president but Jon should be president. I generally prefer the person who has power placed upon them rather than someone who seeks it out.

[@SS-gx7tg]

Deep.

[@galept]

Newsom is definitely running next time. Who knows how well he'll do, but he's so rich I won't be able to believe that he really understands what the poorest Americans need.

[@acbower4468]

@@galept poor people don’t know what they need, lol

[@treetopjones737]

Dead wrong. He does not want the job, but even if he did Biden is running for re-election. BTW, you think he'd spend all that hard work on getting homeless people off the streets if he was just a selfish rich guy? Going after oil companies for price gouging?

[@lovetownsend]

1:37 Dude practiced this face his whole life lol

[@sdefonta]

They need to get rid of for-profit prisons

[@digitview]

Self centeredness is a top issue for society to resolve. Any society that is lives as one, WINS!

[@agitprops073]

Always wild when the upper class talk about demanding that you feel safe when you're going about your day. Let me tell you what you learn when you're poor: you're never safe. Not on the street, not at the store, not at the damn ATM. You want a society where you don't have to look over your shoulder all the time? Us too. We're just not holding our breath.

[@beatlesa7475]

Thank you

[@user-dg9pu4pe9d]

A couple of well off men no less. Women and girls are taught to be wary or afraid. Be careful walking along a dark street or parking lot. Watch out for the nice guy at a party. Be careful on social media and dating sites. Watch out for abusive boyfriends and those who do not take no for an answer. Watch out, be careful, do not do that, do not go there, or you put yourself at risk. Released prisoners are not primarily what we are warned about. Well, not all of them. There are the sex offenders.

[@AidanDotDash]

Calling out bullshit on both sides of the isle. We absolutely love it.

[@Dr_Jim57]

Both sides of an island?

[@blindsided1]

It would be good to also interview anyone with a real inside perspective of these jails/prisons in the state of CA, and see how Newsome's changes are affecting theirs jobs and lives.

[@krissy789]

Exactly. The funding issues are causing major issues inside the prisons.

[@rcpmac]

The public makes unrealistic demands with little regard or patience for the realities of our situation. Add to that the cheap politicization as soon as a glitch occurs in the system and all reason goes out the window.

[@herleenahunt8493]

Restorative Justice. Treating the PTSD of being in prison. Please find ways to help inmates return to society. I worked with inmates for 10 years they can be redeemed, but you can’t just leave them in prison without the tools to stay out of prison.

[@jhacksb1399]

Prison reform I read Ed Gaskin’s report on the state of corrections and recidivism. I was a correctional officer for 14 years. There were many programs including GED classes, a drug block and wood shop. Inmates painted, did landscape work and other things. The problem was they couldn’t stay clean from drugs. You can’t teach that. I would say that at least 70% returned to jail within a year or coded on the street. Until we get a handle on drugs and other illegal activities we will continue to see people returning to jail. Think about the difference between being a cook, a landscaper, construction worker and a drug dealer. The money isn’t even close. Civilians don’t realize how many chances people get before they are actually incarcerated. Work in a prison and you’ll understand why the people are there. While incarcerated they are actually not that bad but in society it is a different story. It’s all about drugs and the Benjamins. No amount of preparedness or vocational training will solve it. Education needs to be done in elementary school. Enabling bad behavior needs to stop. Until all children have a stable home with caring parents or guardians any revamp of prisons is a waste of time and money. When kids as young as 13 or 14 are joining gangs or just getting into trouble it’s almost too late because they will end up in the system. Few get out once they are in. After working in the system and speaking to numerous people I think it’s in better shape than our immigration system, but that’s not saying much. David Kelly Norfolk, Massachusetts Boston Herald 2/12/2024

[@TheBombanater]

I worked in a low security prison in Ohio for almost 10 years. It was supposed to be either "someones last chance before real prison" or "easing prison releases back into civilian life" we were supposed to do drug counseling, cognitive behavioral therapy, all good ideas on paper. What it actually was, was writing up grown ass men for petty pointless shit (use of profanity, failure to make there bed or do chores, ect...). All so they could justify extending the inmates stay and keep the bunks full. Because naturally all the funding was based on the number of empty bunks per year. It was so bad that they regularly bunked drug addicts (trying to avoid prison) with drug dealers (on there way out) In a supposed recovery environment. I finally left in disgust with no job prospects and no other trade skills, because i couldn't be part of the problem anymore. My only regret in life is that I didn't leave sooner. I ended up driving for Uber to make ends meet while i went back to school. On two separate occasions I drove for former inmates of mine, and we had a great ride talking shit on that place. Many times the inmates were more respectful then the staff. The system is broken.

[@electricAB]

Prisons-for-profit have got to be one the most uncivilised things I have ever heard of! Makes my skin crawl! How can this not be profiting from crime? And how can this not be a vested interest in the problem? When I then consider that there must be lobby groups, from these corporations/businesses that have some politician’s ears or even worse the ears of a judge… well I’m just about inarticulate with rage.. Thank you for sharing your experience and shining a little light into a very dark place in our societies. Peace

[@andrewtorrens7790]

What about not sending people to prison in the first place? Most crime is a consequence of poverty. Let's tackle wealth inequality.

[@brendansherry8737]

Plenty of countries are poorer than we are and have much less crime. Crime is caused by criminals making the decision to commit crimes. No one accidentally burgles a house or smashes car windows to steal. These things must be punished harshly or you end up like California.

[@memento81]

@@brendansherry8737 inequality is the keyword here. Massive inequality leads to massive crime. Always been that way. Also your whole "punishing harshly" schtick doesn't seem to work one bit. The point is the US is not interested in reducing crime below a certain rate, because then their prisons wouldn't be at capacity and those make so much money and provide what is basically modern slave labor. And the just US loves its slave labor.

[@brendansherry8737]

@@memento81 I don't think we punish harshly at all. Look to high income countries with low crime for the answer. Singapore publicly whips its criminals. Seems more effective. Very low recidivism

[@KingMapleSeed]

It’s true that way more poorer countries have less crime than us, so I’m not sure that poverty/crime correlate so well. There’s a difference between stealing food when your poor and mugging people on the street or flash robbing a store for non food items. It’s the lack of people being raised right that lead to these problems and I’m not sure how much the government can do for that

[@LukasMatejka-du5hb]

poverty is not an excuse for crime...... if that was the case, how do you explain poor people who never committed any crime ?

[@moresalad221]

I'm doing a paper for my MPH program on formerly incarcerated inmates and the reentry process for those who want to go to college. It's very interesting that there is very limited research on this. There's a built stigma from generations embedded into our genes that it's ok to just throw people in jail because we want them out of our sight, yet, want them to have redemption when watching videos like this...

[@bruceanderson2051]

Release low risk offenders with embedded micro chip to track location for duration of sentence. If they offend, authorities will know it. If there is a crime, you could search a data base of all chip holders to see if any were in the location. Recidivism would drop dramatically and It would save millions,

[@avradio0b]

@@bruceanderson2051 Not a bad idea, but you could probably do that cheaper with an ankle monitor. Tampering with the monitor already sends a signal

[@south6bt]

You should do a paper on their victims and understand the impact criminals have on them and why the justice system is the way it is as well. I'll never understand the sympathy for criminals at the expense of sympathy for their victims. What a world we now live in...

[@ksmith2852]

Because we don't care. Stay out of jail. It's not that hard.

[@thomandstacieverroad8417]

I was released from Leavenworth USP with no release plan, no id other than my prison id and 50 bucks , dressed in prison made clothes purposefully intended to make me look crazy including CARDBOARD penny loafers and sent on a one way bus ride to the place I was convicted where I knew no one and spent the first days of freedom in a homeless shelter with no clothes appropriate for finding a job. Now, do you think I have anything other than hatred and ill will toward the government? It's been more than 20 years now and I never re-offended but my hate for the system that did it's level best to cause me to go back to prison is as virulent as the first day I was released. I did my time (for making counterfeit money) with no violence or prior arrests, never broke parole and finished 3 years of supervised release with out a problem and guess what. I would burn everything in this system to the ground without losing a wink of sleep and piss on the ashes of the children of the people running the show. Fix that. I paid my debt yet still carry an undying hatred for everything federal. I wonder why?

[@illomens2766]

Why would they reform it when it's so hugely profitable? This society WORSHIPS money.

[@memento81]

And it loves to benefit from slave labor, which they now can get again through bs convictions or just locking up the poor for being poor. But no matter how little their actual crime was, once they are prisoners Americans just tell themselfes those people are probably all murderers and rapists who don't deserve to be treated humanely. And believing that is so convenient, because it makes it so much easier to enjoy the fruits of their slave labor without feeling bad about it. Man, I can't wait for the US to finally have their second civil war and burn all those inhumane systems to the ground. Because still thinking reforms will fix it is just utterly delusional at this point.

[@mark_sturzbecher]

Game Design needs to change. Reward prisons for rehabilitated prisoners, not on the quantity they hold each month.

[@erikahergenreder5090]

Love it! But, 4.37 minutes? I hope there's more coming!

[@mkself3231]

Jon has a show on Apple TV...for the full interview.

[@howardsung108]

Our prison do need to be reformed in the sense that we need to evolve. One size fits all isnt the answer to todays complex society.

[@HyperactiveNeuron]

Jon would make an excellent Supreme Court Justice. I could see him breaking up party lines and changing minds

[@snowstrobe]

He'd probably be bored out of his mind tho.

[@bmuhamad]

One does have to be intentional upon release, & even inside. It is a state of mind...

[@Mor4me]

Love to see the whole thing. Seems like a good conversation/ fight. Could be very educational 👍🏴‍☠️

[@holmzcat8493]

Jon Stewart you were meant for more then interviews. Run for President. You would win hands down. I promise you. It might not be what you want to do. But you could restore people faith in the system & get our country back on track. And help the people who have no voice. Your the outsider we need

[@christopherhumphrey]

I will say this since they both brought it up. The religious aspect has a lot to do with why these people were locked up in the first place. Instead of punishing people for their mistakes how bout we educate them. You will find if you give people good information they will make a better decision.

[@anobody3803]

Sooner or later people will figure out the system is designed to be the way it is, and apparently all the side effects are just minor inconveniences; mass poverty and famine in the world, the decreasing size of the middle class, and gap between the rich and poor.

[@hughoreilly9526]

Jon is a national treasure!

[@wilburrwould2170]

your the man John..keepin' coming..thank you, stay well and happy, really elevated..

[@rickguerrero2282]

I have empathy for convicted criminals who leave prison with no real future. BUT, their criminal behavior put them in the position they find themselves in. Prisons were never meant to be hotels. There is an aspiration of reforming criminals, but it is often just a pipe dream. Recidivism is likely high, so repeat offenders learn “jail culture” rather than techniques for societal integration. Like solving homelessness, there are no easy answers.

[@PeterSedesse]

So many issues are just like this. You have intelligent, educated professionals who study an issue for years.. and they are overruled by voters who spent 3 seconds thinking about the issue.

[@FourScore460]

Nothing this man said was real words. He spoke English and strung sentences together but none of what Neusom said was substantive or on target

[@TheGoatMumbler]

Word salad from gov good hair.

[@SS-gx7tg]

He's the precise flavor of bland word salad & empty lip service that the Democrat party can't help but fall in love with. Also lol @ those dumb facial expressions... is he trying to come across stoic or like a statesmen? Dude has that "I just swam in a pool of cheap aftershave" look to him here

[@acbower4468]

Because he dosent have an answer and he can’t simply say what he wants, and that is that we should throw away the key for anyone doing more than 120 months.

[@treetopjones737]

"Thinking iz hard." - Trumpites

[@sophiophile]

Saying the internal stigma is stronger borders on victim shaming. People aren't having trouble getting jobs or housing because of an internal stigma.

[@WhoWatchesThis]

Why does this governor remind of of Will Arnett?! And I'm not just saying this because he's talking about prison. :o

[@pubfixture]

I had the exact same thought. He's slick. There's maybe a bit of his look, but when I think Will Arnett I mostly think about Arrested Development, and although his character, Gob, is somewhat of an idiot, he has this slick, deceptive quality, and yet presence to him. TBH I thought John looks a little sheepish talking to the guy, but still aiming for hard truths, as he should.

[@WhoWatchesThis]

@@pubfixture the voice is so similar

[@dcptiv]

Countries never used to have prisons to mass house criminals long term. They had small dungeons where prisoners were held short term while it was decided if they are to be either whipped, something cut off, made a slave or killed.

[@johnchessant3012]

We should absolutely be doing more to help ex-prisoners reintegrate into society. If they've served their sentence, then they've paid their debt to society, and ostracizing them further helps no one. A federal jobs guarantee would be a good first step, I think.

[@kasondaleigh]

Why should a criminal receive even MORE help to get a job when a law abiding homeless person receives nothing but grief? Just asking.

[@JTYahemi]

​@@kasondaleigh I was taught that two wrongs don't make it right. I honestly don't see why both couldn't be helped. It's not a true dichotomy.

[@andrewcadden7615]

Absolutely - society should be helping both - it’s not either or. People complain how they don’t want criminals to reoffend yet ostracise them and make it hard for them to get jobs when they get out, which is what they need to stay straight. They also complain about homelessness yet there’s typically serious underinvestment in services and support which would help to solve it - in particular mental health and addiction… From a point of pure self interest - just to point out, you know what’s expensive in the long run for the tax payer - crime… poverty…. Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money. You can complain about the cost of these programmes - but what you should really be asking is how much they save over the long term…

[@christinaulibarri4777]

Thank you Mr. Stewart for your work and commentary.

[@frisandlin8876]

gavin newsom looks like he plays the governer of california on tv

[@emhu2594]

All the democrats are F list actors. Republicans on the other hand recruit from insane asylums and white collar prisons

[@drunkflamingolive]

And is secretly the bad guy all along

[@WalterMoran]

@@drunkflamingolive yep

[@distanceismyplastercast]

You've confused him with Kari Lake

[@maviardiv1749]

John Stewart needs to run for president. A true leader does not choose to lead, he is chosen to do so.

[@airballsonly]

Love these clips. Please increase volume. Can barely hear this on headphones

[@infinitefloydtribute]

But when the ad comes on its blow your ears out levels loud

[@seannamei]

It's amazing how little can two superficial people say to each other in a 5 minute conversation.

[@chiefcaleb]

Love that Jon is willing to challenge both sides of the political spectrum. Unfortunately with this interview Newsom didn’t give us anything substantive…

[@katherinemoorhead338]

If KY were a country, we would be 7th IN THE WORLD for the rate of incarceration. I was overmedicated for 8 months, called in prescription refills, sent to prison. Upon release, I could not make a living wage despite a double master's degree in civil environmental engineering. KY was one of 3 states targeted w Oxycontin while politicians (Mcconnell) remained silent. We are #1 in child abuse as a result. WV, another targeted state, is #2. Parents in prison for nonviolent crimes, while the oxycontin masterminds walk free. Sick

[@dr.strange3004]

It's one thing to agree on theory and philosophy of an idea, its another to be capable of actuating such a reality. Seems to me like there's so many people who agree with each other on the surface but never think their individual plans all the way through, get bad results on both sides, and end up disagreeing with each other when all is said and done. At what point on a sinking ship do you start building a new one while simultaneously patching up the current one until the new one is finished? You're telling me that a fully dynamic and adaptable sport like F1 is able to plan, design, and build cars three years in advance of the current racing season, all while maintaining huge focus on the current season, pleasing both fans and investors, and people in political power cant do the same about the current state of the country? I would expect that those in charge would be capable of running the country with the current legislation while building a whole new form of legislation from scratch every year if needed, not just constantly amending the laws that got us here in the first place. All successful businesses have perfected the art of constant innovation; they create a groundbreaking product, update it yearly, and when they begin to approach the limit of that product and see that something drastic has to change, they begin R&D for the next groundbreaking one which leads to a constant cycle of adaptable growth. Sticking to an outdated overall foundation of laws while continuously trying to adapt with the times using acts, amendments, and proposed bills is a plan that fails in the end no matter what. Until politics changes from one baby step at a time to a complete overhaul as often as needed, nothing will change except increase public outrage and disappointment in the entire system. The Roman Empire grew from 500AD to 0 AD, peaked for another 200 years, and then fell for the next 300 years until the Germanic Tribes finally broke the last of it down. The thing is, Romans didn't know their empire was falling apart during those last 300 years... They got used to all the internal political turmoil which led to many generations of people thinking that everything was normal and that's just "how politics and human nature is". We are already over 100 years deep in internal political turmoil in this country and nothing has been done to fix the deeper problems. Fixing rehabilitation programs and getting the public to change their opinion on incarcerated individuals means nothing if the world we live in continues to drive people towards breaking the law to survive and thrive. Drastic change has to happen where everyone has to agree on common goals across all topics, and then painstakingly plan a new foundation for this country that ensures those goals get met. There is a reason that a Constitutional Convention had to happen in 1787. People at that time were self aware that internal political turmoil was not supposed to be normal, and were open to the idea that the whole point was to create common goals and make something together that met those. We live in a world where those in power get nothing done in the end and the people are all paying for it. Internal and External wars will be coming soon if we continue down this path of disagreement and no results to show for it. Disagreement is fine in the beginning as long as all people's needs are met in the end. Politicians and their constituencies have to trust each other, and must have each other's best interests at heart when fixing up this country. Good luck to us all, and I hope current and future politicians are willing to work hard and get things done in the end before its too late and we become like the Romans.

[@Mor4me]

That’s a big comment, almost a statement.

[@JustJanitor]

THANK YOU! That is so well said! It's comments like this that I screen shot.

[@mmsL125]

Sir this is an Arby’s

[@bruceanderson2051]

Release low risk offenders with embedded micro chip to track location for duration of sentence. If they offend, authorities will know it. If there is a crime, you could search a data base of all chip holders to see if any were in the location. Recidivism would drop dramatically and It would save millions,

[@beatlesa7475]

F1 does it for profit and winning and use the bedt people. Government does not.

[@CozyVoidProductions]

Hearing the hopelessness in the voice of governor of the most prosperous state in the most prosperous country is incredibly unsettling.

[@biloki3079]

Incredibly good interview. Very insightful.

[@marksieber4626]

Nobody talks about the success stories just the person out on parole that kills somebody. Tax breaks for companies that hire an ex con so they can get some good references, a living wage, checked on by parole officers, counselors, ect. There has to be a better way than what we’re doing now.

[@Zero11_ss]

Tax breaks like that only give priority to hiring them over citizens who have done absolutely nothing wrong.

[@obk1404]

There are very few places in the world with a mature outlook on how to deal with prisoner rehabilitation and in the US in particular even in Democratic leaning states there is a lot of political capital to be gained in being seen to be tough on crime. And it is how that is measured that causes the problem. More people in prison must mean a safer country because the bad people have been locked away and of course while they are locked up they should suffer. It takes a lot of maturity and in some ways goes against human nature to not look simply for retribution but instead look at how to improve the lot of an offender and minimise the chances of them committing more crime when released. A society has to be prepared to accept that preparing a prisoner for successful reintegration to society will cost more money than brutalising them in a prison and even with that many will reoffend and in some cases commit brutal headline grabbing crimes that will be exploited by those who oppose such a system as proof of "soft on crime".

[@DMSlater]

A person can have an 800 credit score, but with a felony they will not be able to sign a lease for most apartments. And there are a surprising number of ways one can stamp a ticket to getting one. It goes far beyond the violent classics of yesteryear. It's strictly a retributive system, with no thought to re-aligning these individuals to be productive members of society.

[@clubbedsandwich1128]

I wish John was as hard on Democrat politicians as he is on Republican ones...

[@henrytallent7819]

did you notice how when Newsom was confronted, he acknowledged the failings, whereas conservatives don’t have the flexibility to see a wider view of an issue. That’s why they often trap themselves in debate.

[@desireeespinosa3954]

😡 people who are left jobless, homeless, and with no community are going to reoffend. Period Every Single Success story has a support system involved 😡

[@desireeespinosa3954]

They need work and community not to be given false hope

[@davidhunternyc1]

Jon tried but Gavin weaseled his way through the interview. Jon couldn't pin Gavin down.

[@ZineTurduken]

I agree; Gavin faired much better than a lot of other people I've seen Jon interview. I do agree with some of the comments that this was easier treatment than Larry Summers, but still better than most interviewers out there.

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@ZineTurduken Jon didn't see through Gavin's bullshit and didn't push hard enough. Maybe Jon is gauging his own political prospects?

[@thorb2663]

Agree with him or not, Newsom controls the narrative like a pro. Jon was probably not ready for that after going up against so many "I'm not a professional politician" politicians. Jon needs to watch the tape and come at him again.

[@south6bt]

Jon didn't try hard enough and Gavin is a known weasel. No way Jon would have let a right winger get away with this.

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@south6bt that’s true too. I’m a bit disappointed with Jon for not pushing harder.

[@johncrichton7137]

Nothing of note was said here. There are a lot of things that can be done to help, but by FAR the biggest thing is stopping people/companies from accessing criminal records. I don't care if a convict walks out with 10k and a PhD..... They are unemployable and unhousable. The few people that will hire then prey on criminal records and they grossly underpay and abuse them. The few places that will rent to them are terrible hovels in terrible areas that force ex-cons to group together, which is the opposite of what we need. Cops should have access to criminal records; the general public should not. Either they're 'rehabilitated' or they're not..... You can't have it both ways and this is the ONLY viable fix to the problem. Everything else is a costly bandaid.

[@ACertainGuy0]

As a californian, thank you for challenging my governor's mindset, all people in power should have their world view challenged every single day so they dont get complacent with power. I dont fully agree with everything Governor Newsom says and does but I know he is at the very least trying, which....cannot be said for some people in power we see every single day in US politics.

[@krissy789]

He needs to try harder, or try a new way. I am sick at what has happed to my state.

[@Jinchuricki27]

We love to talk about criminal justice and the legal system, but we rarely seem to focus on the disparities that force people to turn to crime. A system of have and have nots and inequality will always have issues with crime.

[@melanienolley]

Thanks for your comment. For some, yes, criminality is the result of desperation and I think we fail to talk about a system that goes out of it's way to burden, punitively and criminally, the poor in ways that are far more institutionalized than we know. I went to the social security office recently, an absolutely essential government agency for every American, rich and poor, and yet they would not accept cash. They would not accept American minted money! Every Government office should accept American currency, period. There were people, some of the very poorest among us, in this office absolutely distraught because they were facing deadlines, loss of benefits, fines, hurdles and stress at every turn and they were being told to just go to some paycheck place or a bank to pay for a money order and then to return on another day. Just imagine the time and expense for people who don't own cars, have bank accounts and/or whom need to take a day off work to stand in long lines. Again, as a society, we just don't see the whole picture of how many ways the poor are marginalized and drained of what little resources they have. At the end of the day, government policies like this exist so that companies can benefit and get rich off the poor.

[@tmc8195]

We need more preemptive programs to stop people from getting close to the point of prison. (We need psychedelic assisted therapy to come online too.) Some people can’t be saved and are rotten to the core but we need things in place to save people who are on the fence with their lives. The prison system will simply never do this. There has to be other things in place before it.

[@z_sloathe5672]

Look up Mayor Michael Tubbs from Stockton. He had a great pilot program to prevent crime by helping those most at risk of committing them. Super interesting program. Dude got voted out but the program had great results. Makes a ton of sense.

[@bruceanderson2051]

Release low risk offenders with embedded micro chip to track location for duration of sentence. If they offend, authorities will know it. If there is a crime, you could search a data base of all chip holders to see if any were in the location. Recidivism would drop dramatically and It would save millions,

[@JonHatfield]

@@bruceanderson2051 There are an infinite number of alternate sentences that are more affordable to the tax payer that can still give the victims justice without permanently destroying not only their lives, but the lives of their spouses, children, etc. It's a real shame we don't use them. People always say to throw them in jail. Well what happens if they're the breadwinner for their family, or even just paying child support? Now you've affected innocent people who will wind up on welfare at the expense of the taxpayer who are then shamed for being on it.

[@troikatuggle1343]

Sarcasm is beautiful. Great work on the France story

[@todddoetken2594]

After two prison staff members were killed at the Anamosa (Iowa) State Penitentiary (ASP) last year, the Iowa Department of Corrections (IDOC) no longer allows inmates to partake in hobby crafts, music room activities, or baseball, weightlifting, and many other activities. The IDOC is punishing every inmate for the criminal acts of two inmates who had been mentally and physically abused by the prison staff. Having nothing to do but sit and remain idle behind the prison walls is cruel and unusual punishment for each inmate. This is why nobody in the IDOC or the Iowa Governor is amazed that the recidivism rate in Iowa is 37%. With this overwhelming mistreatment of inmates, it will surely rise. It is time that the Jones County Sheriff begins arresting and filing criminal charges against the staff at ASP who rape inmates.

[@jfraz6246]

John needed to stay on him like he did Larry Summers.

[@racheljacob8600]

Every governmental system is broken. We need a change

[@JeffMillsObviously]

Jon put the soft gloves on for this one.

[@Aikidoman06]

Internal stigma and shame... there’s a reason most go back; it’s because they are criminals. I have a friend at church who spend three years in prison. He couldn’t find a job when he got out so he started his own business. He’s a rare case. Most who go to prison and plan to commit crime as soon as they get out. They are acting like misunderstood angles are being locked up. The vast majority are not angles at all.

[@williamprice1497]

Handsome Jack tells Jon Stewart “No, no no no. I really do care about people. Just look at what I do.”

[@SomniisPMV]

Good on him for calling out Democrats who need correction as well. Truth and accountability should be bipartisan

[@carleenmulloy481]

I love you Jon Stewart ❤️

[@abigfish1620]

There are so many problems with our prison system, where do we even start? Probably by eliminating privately owned prisons. My next step would be to construct new prisons across America, more comfortable prisons, prisons that treat the inmates like human beings. I would, at least temporarily, replace the entire prison guard system with the National Guard because of the rampant corruption amongst prison guards. Then I would try to reform the parole system with a focus on non-violent offenders being given more lee-way. I would give an even larger focus on education amongst inmates, try to make sure everyone at least leaves prison with a GED. We need to change our focus from punishment to rehabilitation. We also need to decriminalize the use of drugs nationwide. People should have the freedom to put whatever they want into their own bodies, frankly, its natural selection at work. Instead of punishing the poor masses for doing drugs, focus on the dealers and the drug runners. Target the supply, not the demand. And do you know the best way to keep people from doing drugs? Good education and a solid economy with high paying jobs. On the flip side, there are some people who should just never see the light of day ever again, and personally I hate that we spend so much money keeping them alive. Of course the problem with that is that our entire Justice system is broken and so many innocent people end up doing time for crimes they did not commit. I personally hate the entire concept of the adversarial system, many guilty people have exploited the system to walk away simply due to being able to hire a much better attorney, and many innocent people end up in jail or taking plea deals because of overworked and incompetent public defenders. There is just so much to the problem, and no one is doing anything about any of it.

[@infinitedonuts]

For the algorithm!