FAKE! 1987 Topps Tiffany Sealed Box Break Set! WARNING Topps Baseball Case Break

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Hey guys, SHARE this video if you know anyone who buys or sells Topps Tiffany sets. These fake seals could potentially save someone from wasting a lot of money! These fooled me up to the very last second. Let me know in the comments if you've come across anything like this.

[@djquiksilva]

PSA COLLECTOR ... Bro I really hope that dealer does the right thing & sends you a refund. Also, could you please name the dealer so that others don’t have to go thru this. Good Luck 🍀

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@djquiksilva Thanks! The dealer name can be found on the invoice. His Beckett.com account is under Bakerfield.cards I think... Not sure if he has an eBay account.

[@90210bribri]

PSA COLLECTOR The seller needs to be exposed before more people get ripped off.

[@darrellfernandis]

There is a Barry Bonds and that's it but I don't think it's as rookie. The Bo Jackson Jose Canseco and Barry Bonds rookies are in the 86 Tiffany set

[@darrellfernandis]

@Bipolar Bryan and what are you talking about???

[@leviroberts]

If you used Paypal you have 180 days. File a claim, return them, and get ALL your money back. Don't wait for the seller while he says "he will look into it." He is waiting for your claim period to expire.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that! I'll file a claim right now. Thanks for the insight!

[@pauld8790]

Perfect advice

[@krazejeff]

Credit card companies do stuff like that also

[@jmill3147]

Or file a chargeback to your credit card. Thats what I always do.

[@thecardsaysmoops3]

@Allen & Ginter The local police don't care but the postal inspectors will.

[@90210bribri]

I own a set of 87 i bought it in 92 it didn't come shrink wrapped, shrink wrap didn't even become mainstream sill early 1990s . The sets I've seen back then weren't shrink wrapped at all.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yeah, you are correct. I was fooled into thinking because it was shrink wrapped that it hadn't been searched through. Now I know. Hopefully others will see this video and recognize it as a scam as well.

[@rocketrayray55]

That is correct.

[@scottgiuld9519]

Yes my 87 Tiff Sets are not shrink Wrapped

[@dieseldabz7104]

Exactly man. I remembered that as well and was scratching my head trying to figure out why his had wrapping on them and mine NEVER did back in the early 90's

[@CBsays_]

I would have been a lot more skeptical of the Beckett seller! That extra sticker is not from 1987! Daryl Strawberry was a stud in 1987, why would they have left that card in the box? This scam happened much more recently than 1987.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yeah, I pull all my Strawberries too!

[@justinsiemonsma1193]

I agree. Also if it was done early the Todd Worell and other Topps all rookie guys like Tartabull would have been pulled.

[@renocool1558]

@@justinsiemonsma1193 good point. Ruben Sierra too. Was Rob Deer in there? :-)

[@SilverJackify]

Wow! I opened a complete set of 1987 Topps and update tiffany this year. I feel very fortunate that I got an authentic complete version now. Thx for sharing!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Dang! Nice, man! I see your's wasn't shrink wrapped. The cuts on your cards looked great 👍 The Bonds could be a 9. I Love these Tiffany cards 😬Thanks for the insight!

[@SilverJackify]

PSA COLLECTOR Yeah, I was very happy with the look of the set. Sorry, that happened to you. There are some real scumbags out there. I submitted a couple of the 87 Topps Tiffany. I show the ones I picked out in one of my latest videos. Decided to submit the bonds even though best case it is a 9. Should be fun to see how they come back

[@deeblas77]

These Sets did come 6 Sets per Case, also the 1987 Topps Tiffany Sets DID NOT Come in Shrink Wrap. 1984 through 1988 and 1990 Did NOT Come Shrunk Wrapped from the Factory. They were only Sealed by the Sticker. Once an Authentic Sticker is removed it will never adhere back to the box again correctly. The edges will always curl up if it's been opened/tampered with. Always throughly inspect the Sticker Seal to make sure there's no creases or bends on the Sticker and make sure it lays flat with No lifting on the edges. The only Year that came in Shrink Wrap was the 1991 Topps Tiffany and the 1991 Topps Traded Tiffany Sets. If you See a Shrunk Wrapped Topps Tiffany Set from 1984 thru 1988 and 1990 Do Not Buy them. That's a huge Red Flag when Buying Topps Tiffany Sets. The 1989 Topps Tiffany Sets and the 1989 and 1990 Bowman Tiffany Sets came Sealed in Cellophane Wrap. If you see one of these 3 Sets and in Shrink Wrap 99% of the time the Stars and Rookies will be missing.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh wow, awesome information, sir! Thanks a ton for adding this. I've always thought that shrink wrap was a GOOD thing but am now convinced it is actually a huge red flag, Thanks for clarifying for me and everyone else.

[@dieseldabz7104]

Right but wrong about the sticker. I've seen them removed and re-glued to the point where you couldn't even tell. Y'all don't grasp that there's professional thieves that do shit like this for a living...

[@guitardudeguy3139]

Man, that's really downright cold! Thanks for the warning, you know I'm into factory sets and that's scary to me. Now I'm afraid I need to open mine. But , mine are definately factory sealed. Your seals didnt look right. Mine are not seamed at all. If you see a seam in the plastic, it's been opened. I got ripped on a mini set once. Every Star card in the set was miscut or off centered. Obviously tampered with. I reported them , they disappeared off Ebay. Ebay wouldn't help. So be careful! If it's too good to be true it almost always is. Another is the bait and switch routine. I've been buying up certain raw RCs. Bought a lot of 5 which shown to be perfectly centered. When I got them they were all 70 /30 examples. I go back to the dealer and they magically disappeared again! That time I explained what happened and showed the video to Ebay and they refunded me and booted the dealer. I dont know what to do in your case. I would stick to reputable sellers that cant afford bad feedback or always check thier feedback listings. Alot of time you'll get warnings from other buyers. People are really shady, especially when it comes to cards I'm finding out. Even Topps can sell garbage and get away with it. Probably 40% of the sets put out were not worth the investment. I laugh at the guys who spend 4 to 5 thousand on a box and they get a Jansen,Keller, Beeks, and Briceno rookie autos. Probably 25.00 worth of cards. Sure , other guys pulled a Mike Trout, or a Ted Williams, but even that was not worth what they paid for the case. Stick to what you know is good. Let the whales blow thier money on that. I stock up on what players I believe to be a sure thing. But there is always a risk. That's why I buy CHEAP! I know newer ones were cello wrapped I'm not sure about 87 , seems they should be. But I dont know. I've got factory sealed sets from 1990 all the way up to now , missing a couple years here and there. All are sealed from the factory. Not like that though! I'm not sure about 80s. These were bought retail. Some may be different. I've seen different boxes from same years too. Colors different, extras are different too in some. Only way to know for sure is to contact Topps. They have a history of all thier issues and...mistakes too!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

There seems to be more scammed items out there anymore than authentic stuff! I'm going to stay cheap as well! lol, Once I start trying to get fancy I always end up getting the shaft 😂😅

[@nashvillenate1666]

Shrink wrap is dead giveaway. These sets didn’t come out of the case with shrink wrap. Also, these can be easily opened and closed from the bottom without breaking a legitimate seal. Best advice: don’t buy any of these sets-They’ve all been opened by now.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

It's not even worth questioning anymore. I'm going to go ahead and assume you're correct. They've all been opened and search so stick to buying the already PSA graded cards. Save the money in the long run.

[@joeyyoung322]

You can find some sets from small individual one owners that are untampered with. Hard to come by though. I sold 1 of my 2 about 3 years ago and regret it still.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@joeyyoung322 Yeah they are hard to come by and if you do see one up for auction the competition is stiff! You still have 1 of the 2 sets and they were legit.

[@quintocreations-businessac4976]

Shrink wrap is absolutely NOT a giveaway. A lot of shops and collectors used to shrink wrap sets and wax boxes etc back in the day, especially if there was a slight idea to store it for even a little bit of time. I know this because not only did I know many people who did this, me and several of the people I partnered with did it. It was cheap Protected cards very well for something that wasn't going to be handled And easy to remove without damaging if need be. Not only wo6ld I think this wouldn't be a "tell". But anybody clever enough to commit fraud in these ways as well as for items with this value are damn well going to research. It's like drugs, God knows how many people have had it before you. And I'd bet, it was probably shrink wrapped by somebody who was just a buyer and did so protecting his investment. The fraud could've been committed in say, 2004, gone through 6 people AFTER that, (all thinking they had "real"), but it was guy #2 who shrinkked it.

[@Beer_Man]

That's rough, Matt. I don't think this would have been done by a Topps employee when they sold this back in 1987. They would have taken the Strawberry and Gooden as well. This had to be done after the fact. Those stickers are easy to reproduce. Not to mention the fact that it shouldn't have had shrink wrap on it. Let us know how it all works out.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

yeah the more this unfolds the more I'm convinced it was done by a dealer. I'm wondering where the got the seals from though?

[@Beer_Man]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR Those look to be simple enough to make on a printer. notice the color wasn't exact. That kind of surprised me that it wasn't closer. Also, they weren't a "tamper proof" sticker like the originals. The fake one came off way too easy

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@Beer_Man Yep, I noticed that as well. The originals did not come off whatsoever! Except for the 1990 set, of course, that thing came off fairly easy.

[@raphaelmogannam6400]

Sorry man. You showed good restraint and professionalism. I would’ve lost it. Great advice on the videotaping!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks fir noticing the restraint lol, I had to film the video few days after finding out and cooling down. 😳🔥🔥

[@lightseek88]

Not the Topps employee cuz how would the employee know in 87 which rookies are gona be stars and hall of famers?

[@denniskugel1006]

Sorry for the bad brake. I'm very familiar with the tiffany sets of the 80's. #1 thing that sticks out is the sets were NEVER shrink wrapped. Hope that helps

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep, sure does. It confirms what everyone else has said so far as well. Thanks for the insight! 👍

[@jbscardbreaks4389]

That’s awful that’s happened to me twice this year on 1987 topps I am just done trying to find the best deals and paying the premium now with more trusted dealers or bce certified sets there’s a lot of con artist out there hope you get your money back on those.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I'm right there with you! I thought I was getting a good deal on these which in the end is probably going to cost me. Should have paid $500 for 2 sealed sets on eBay where I could inspect the boxes. On Beckett.com all I got was a blurry image.

[@fgstech4857]

Dang I hate that Matt. It just takes a few scammers to mess up a good hobby. There's no hobby like ripping packs and looking for cool stuff. I hope you get your money back Sir.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the support! I just e-mailed the seller again and am hoping to hear back soon... With the holidays right around the corner I doubt I'll get any response, which is fine as long as there's a follow up after! 😅

[@rocketrayray55]

It is already "messed". Reprints everywhere on the bay.

[@ambrosiaspen]

Shake your other three sets. Is there noticeable movement in the box? Chances are you can tell if more cards are missing from those...

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep, they all have movement.. Doh! I now know another thing to look for. These sets are pretty much just built for suckers lol.

[@ForsakenWar]

Wow... CRAZY! Someone went to a lot of work to re seal that thing. I've never recorded an opening but I will now! Thanks for the great info👍

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yeah they did lol. Get that camera out and record for sure. With the scammers today, you never know what you're buying anymore 👍

[@brianm.8423]

Beware of the Bookstore at 3rd street and Fairfax in Los Angeles.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

What's at this book store you speak of? Sounds like a haunted book store. lol Beware.

[@brianm.8423]

I was a customer for 2 yrs purchasing basketball packs and never pulled (game used or autographed cards ) $200-300 every 2 wks. One day after I spent about 2 hrs of hard earned $ The owners wife opened the office door and I seen someone shrink wrapping a Box of SP Authentic Basketball. He saw me starring and said to her in another language shut the door !

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@brianm.8423 Oh, wow that's crazy! So many tricky sellers out there. One can only wonder how many guys were ripped off from him.

[@xxxxx4570]

@@brianm.8423 back in the day,maybe even still today.packs are being weighed to determine if there's anything in them.like a jersey card pack would be heavier than regular packs,etc.but the card company's tried to fix this issue by putting in what I call dummy cardboards in packs.but even so keep in mind not all of today's cards have those dummy cards inside packs.so some are probably still weighing the packs.

[@jshah1961]

If I buy retail I always weigh packs or I simply won't buy them I have been burned 3 times when I started collecting guys buy every box of new cards go home open and search them reseal and return target is the worst and always returns them to the shelf. Last year I helped the local manager pros a thieve. For some reason they never replace the cards they take so the boxes are always light but the seal is almost perfect! I found bought a box of bowman and noticed the packs were glued shut didn't even leave a good base rookie when I went back in I started to weigh I found a ton that were tampered with. Scum like that is killing the hobby!

[@stevevenom175]

Sorry about the scam brother. The ones I found on ebay are NOT shrink wrapped. I'm sure you will get sorted out soon with the seller. Thanks for the video

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks, man, I am convinced that the shrink wrapped sets are a bad sign lol. I'm hoping the seller and Beckett give me my money back or at least give me 4 factory sealed sets!

[@80sFreak100]

I have a 1989 Tiffany set that I never opened. I have had it almost 30 years. Mine came in a generic white host box that contained the original sealed Tiffany box. I still have it stashed away and haven't even seen it in over 20 years.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh ok cool, so yours wasn't shrink wrapped? I'm still wondering why the heck they would wrap all four of them.

[@80sFreak100]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR my set has been stashed away for 20 plus years. If I remember correctly, the set came wrapped in plastic that was folded neatly around it like wrapping paper, not shrink wrapped like yours here. My set is also housed in a generic unmarked box that completely encases and fits the set perfectly. I don't know if that box is original. I hope you don't mind, but I shared this video with a manager at Topps who sent it through the appropriate departments. It's very possible you may hear further from this. I seriously doubt anyone at Topps is a suspect in doing this. Your video here is very important to them and they may put out an advisory for consumers.

[@shakascloset1700]

It was the seller or the owner before the seller. I got 2018 topps holiday box's at Walmart resealed.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I've seen a lot of guy's commenting about there Wal-Mart boxes being tampered with. I'm thinking about doing a video on those! Thanks for the comment 👍

[@eddie2sTEp]

Yea i got 3 boxes from Wal-Mart that were resealed.with foot ball cards no less all 2018

[@MikelineTV]

Thanks for sharing this important video. Could've been more worse such as replacing all the tiffanys for the regular cards. That could probably happen to the fleer glossy , be careful boxed set collectors.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yeah, I have been looking to get some of the Fleer Glossy sets. I'm going to make sure to buy from a reputable seller though!

[@viktorraffi34]

What a dishonest, disappointing thing to do, especially to someone who is as giving as you. We bought 2 complete sets of, 1987 Topps factory sealed boxes from, Bidville about 16 yrs ago, only opening 1 box that is loaded, including the, Barry Bonds #320 error card. In fact we bought a lot of card sets from them, and never was there a problem in our purchases, nor a bad report about them, to my knowledge. They went out of business a while ago, why? I don't know for sure, but it was said there was too much competition in the market. But wow I wish they would reconsider, and come back especially since the market has been tainted with dishonesty. I think we'll just stick with buying from obscure sellers, who are like they were, when we find them. When that happens,Matt I'll give you a heads up, in the meantime, hope you get the mess straightened out. Wish you the best thanks for the info, will pass it on.Happy New Year to you and your family. Vik!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the input, Vik! Good to hear you got the Bonds card! That's the one I was really chasing. I haven't heard of Bidville but it sounds like a cool store, wish they had more honest sellers like that today. It seems they lot of them are all dishonest anymore. I'll do an update video in the future when this all gets straightened out. Thanks for watching, Happy New Year !

[@Palacemalicee]

PSA COLLECTOR did you hear back? I’m curious!

[@imreadytoberuledbyap]

I thought these weren't shrink wrapped at all..........

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Evidently they weren't... Not sure why they would go through the hassle of wrapping them other than trying to hide the fact that they've been searched. 🙈

[@seekanddestroy7343]

Yes, beware of shrink wrap in the 80's.

[@baphomet420]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR i always thought they were not shrink wrapped but came in individual white (like 800 ct boxes). you know, like a box in a box. maybe the dealers were just doing that because the boxes were so fragile. but i was under the impression they came from topps like that.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@seekanddestroy7343 lol, I never even knew... Now I do!

[@Lawomenshoops]

Just found your channel. Sorry, if this is a repeat. But, in 1987, the sets were NOT shrink wrapped. They only had that seal!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep, they were not... Dealers did it for various reasons not Topps. Shrink wrap is a red flag not a green one to buy. Thanks for the insight!

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

They put extra seals tightly on hoping that you'll just cut it open and won't notice that you've been swindled!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I would have found out eventually by seeing the missing cards. But they did seal that puppy pretty tight.

[@jshah1961]

They prob hoped you wouldn't open the box at all but hold the "sealed" box to resell years later, which would have been horrible for you and anyone who bought it.

[@edwardsalinas3627]

Good thing you decided to peel the sticker rather than cut through it. You still would eventually find out it’s been searched but spotting the difference in the original and fake seal is important too

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I thought the same thing after watching the video. I'm just glad I was recording because how can he not give me my money back after watching this video? I hope Beckett does the right thing and helps me out on this so I can do a follow-up video and let everyone know that this had a happy ending lol.

[@edwardsalinas3627]

PSA COLLECTOR I do hope it ends well for you.

[@mr.bloodvessel260]

So glad you got your money back and get to keep the cards, I've been burned by online sales and never recouped...and the fact that this was from a major company made it even worse....keep on keeping on!!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thank you, sir! Karma worked in my favor this time 👍

[@richardfontaine8157]

I never bought any of the Tiffany sets due to the price. I appreciate you sharing this info with us. Hope you can get your money back. This seems to be 100% seller issue. If he didn't do it, why was he asking only $99 for a set? Thats super cheap. Pisses me off. Some ass holes always finding ways to ruin the hobby.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Looking back, $99 a piece was ridiculously underpriced and should have been a red flag. Thanks for the support! I'll make a video in the near future on how Beckett, Paypal, and the seller work everything out.

[@T2RMadisonMEYT]

Just a heads up on these old sets they didn't come shrink wrapped, they came out of the case with the sticker seal only. My Father and I used to have a card shop from 1986-2000 in West St. Paul, MN. Topps didn't wrap the sets or boxes for many years I think the first boxes that were sealed were the retail sets and then in the late 90's they started wrapping boxes. I love your video's and im sorry you got screwed over. the other thing most people can do is get any 792 card topps set and weight it. all the sets from 1984-they started doing 2 series they have 792 cards so they will weigh close to the same every year. good luck all and happy collecting. the Fleer Glossy in the tins were wrapped in plastic we had the 1987 fleer glossy and update tins. but I have nothing left from those days, I have always been the person that loves to open packs and my luck has always been on point. but id never keep anything, sometimes I kick myself I had 10 86-87 Jordan rookies I bought at shinders for 2.95 each

[@patrickromeo3720]

I bought mine at the topps factory in Brooklyn when I was a kid it didn’t come with that plastic wrap on it only thing they gave me was the white cardboard outer box when I bought it

[@90210bribri]

Hey how did you make out? Did you get a refund ?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep! I'm going to post a follow-up video this week all about it 👍

[@pcbullets8726]

Sorry this happened to you. I have always been a little paranoid buying sealed stuff from ages ago. This just confirms it. Thanks for sharing!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I was never skeptical but sure am now. I'm thinking about just buying complete open sets from now on! Or at least sets that aren't shrink wrapped with pink seals lol.

[@ArrowheadAcre.5]

I've never bought any factory sealed sets other than smaller update sets, but shouldn't the cards be in order from 1 - 792?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Not from my research. I’ve only seen Tiffany sets randomly inserted.

[@jerryslivka6423]

Have you contacted the seller or check feedback for similar problem?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I contacted the seller but he requested that I send the sets back to him and pay for shipping. I saw red flags so I contacted Beckett and waiting on them to respond. Taking forever!

[@DonBlomdahlHOF]

That is absolutely terrible. TYVM for sharing this with our community.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the comment! Steer clear of the shrink wrapped sets 👍

[@brittsbit8847]

How about the other sets matt, are they all like the one you opened? Thanks for sharing! Happy Holidays

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Merry Christmas, and yes they were all the same fake seal... It makes me wonder just how many of these sets were searched and sealed!

[@donaldashbaugh5003]

Those sets were not shrinkwrapped. The ones you bought were sealed to help conceal the tampering with plastic wrap and a new sticker. You will have to open the other sets and see whats not there.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I'm hesitant to open the other sets since they have the same pink seal with a seal under neath. Just waiting on Beckett and Paypal to tell me what to do. Thanks for the insight 👍

[@patrickcorder6618]

Another sure sign is not seeing the cut grains from when Topps cut each sheet. I have and opened set 1054, it was picked right and cutting grains were perfectly in line for each sheet grouping.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Just to clarify, all of these card were authentic the SEAL however was a fake... The dealer opened the set and removed the good card then sealed it back up to look un-searched. So it was a fake sealed set.

[@ronsilvia8127]

Sorry that has happened to you brother. Beckett should be held responsible they permitted the individual to sell products through their company and get paid.So it is their fault they have let an individual sell fraudulent products through their company. And Beckett should also be a suspect they have hired an individual from the pawn stars television show who has been caught selling fake items now they have hired him to work at their company.So Becketts trust should also be in question.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I contacted Beckett and they said that it is between me and the seller so I'm praying the seller cooperates and works things out with me. I plan on posting a follow up video on how things go so I hope it's a positive one and not a negative but I agree, Beckett should be responsible as well since they host the marketplace on their website.

[@ronsilvia8127]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR its definitely unfortunate that this has happened brother. Boycott any future deals that involve beckett it sounds like they are involved in this type of activity .They definitely would have noticed how cheap the prices were from the fake sets compared to the price of the real sets and check and see if Beckett is still letting the individual use their sight to continue selling that product if he's still selling products you will know Beckett cannot be trusted.

[@paulgoble5678]

So i just recently bought a 1987 Topps Tiffany Dale Murphy graded 9 by psa for like $13, Should i be concerned if its real? (Btw the 87 topps are my fav from when i was a kid)

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Just to clarify, these cards ARE Authentic and real. The seal however was not. The dealer had cracked the seal and pulled all the valuable cards out then used a fake seal to make it look authentically sealed by Topps. Chances are if you have a PSA graded card from this Topps set, it is authentic 👍 I love this set as well. Unique design and tons of great players!

[@paulgoble5678]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR Okay thanks for the video and your time getting back to me.

[@marathawnjawn8862]

Wow. So sorry...but THANK YOU for posting this and bringing to our knowledge. Super helpful!! Also - I wasn’t aware PSA was raising their prices. I have 50-100 cards I’ve been wanting to get graded, so I need to get them sent in! I appreciate you and all your good work you do for the hobby. Thank you!🙏

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the feedback! Yes, PSA will be raising their BULK submission prices by $1 per card starting January 2020 so send them in before that date and you'll get the $8 per card price 👍

[@85geoffm]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR geesh, don't they make enough money?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@85geoffm lol, talk about milking a cow dry!

[@85geoffm]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR hopefully it's for employee raises!

[@chetthedebt2169]

At least he left you the Tom Lawless. That guy is an American Hero.

[@rocketrayray55]

I purchased product direct from Topps back in the 80's. These sets were NOT "factory sealed" in cellophane. They just had the gold label sticker "seal".

[@hossofcards]

Thanks for sharing! My initial guess was the seller too, especially with that header. Hopefully you’re able to get a refund!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks! I'll do a follow-up video in the future on how it works out. Fingers crossed its a positive vid 👍

[@23ofSeptember]

Imagine opening all of the sets and not finding one Bonds, Canseco, Bo, or Larkin.

[@jrsportscardschronicles3587]

Sorry to hear that. I just opened some fake packs in one of my videos and the packs were opened and resealed with glue. It was quite obvious. Even shrink wrapped stuff I’ve seen been tampered with. Buyer beware!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Wow, they glued them shut? Did you get a refund?

[@jrsportscardschronicles3587]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR It was only couple of bucks for two packs. So wasn't worth it. But yeah it was pretty obvious, the wrapper stuck to the card on the back with glue. when I peeled the seal open, it ripped off the back of the card due to the glue.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

What a waste of time lol, man some people just have zero integrity. thanks for sharing!

[@ObsessedCollector]

Topps never shrank wrapped the early sets, I Don't even think they used shrink until the 1990s/2000s, and even then, they used the Topps logo all over the shrink.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep, it all makes sense now lol shrink wrap is a very bad sign! Unless it has Topps logo on it.

[@MrHogfan77]

I would weigh the other sets to see if they are missing cards as well. You weigh the one you just opened and compare it the others. It will be off by several grams. You may just be dealing with one tampered box.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

The other 3 boxes all have shrink wrap as well and pink seals just like the one I opened. Also, when I move the boxes around, I can hear the cards moving 👎 weighing them is a good idea but I'm fairly positive they all been searched.

[@hipolitomadero3009]

Hey PSA Collector, first off, sorry to see that you got sold some tampered sets. Hopefully it all works out for you and someone is held responsible in the end. Very recently I purchased a 1989 Upper Deck Baseball complete set on eBay. I'm waiting for it to arrive, which should be within a few days. I'm glad I came across your video because I am going to record the opening of the box, from delivery package to the cards themselves. Here's a question and hopefully you can advise: I'm thinking of sending the seller a message through eBay BEFORE I open the box and asking them if there's anything I should know about the box or if there has been any type of tampering with it, that they should let me know before I open it. I'm planning on letting them know that I am going to record every step of opening of the box and that if there's any findings tampering, resealing, or altering, that I am going to file a claim and expose them. FYI, I paid just a bit over $100 for the complete set. Do you think that's a good approach? Sorry for the long message, but I hope to get your feedback on this. Thanks in advance.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Honestly, I would just wait to get the sealed set and see if it looks tampered with. I haven't ever bought that set or looked into it at all so I'm not sure what you should look for as far as being authentic or not. The best thing to do is record you opening it just in case it's missing a card.

[@hipolitomadero3009]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR I got the set in the mail. I went ahead and recorded a video of the opening of the package and then the box. It all looked legit. The Griffey Jr rookie is nice and clean but doesn't seem like it'd get a PSA 10 grade. There's a tiny dent on the top front, and the bottom corners just don't look very sharp. The Randy Johnson rookie is perfect, though. I'll upload the video later. Thanks for your input.

[@bustingpacks8610]

You can open these boxes up from the bottom and search / remove cards without affecting the seal.

[@pdubs7069]

That's an absolute shame man! I hope you got your money back ! Im sure PWCC had their hands on this set at one time!!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the support! I'm in the process of filing a claim through Paypal 👍👍

[@lenspicks]

Nice vid lots of good info have you tried to weigh the other boxes compare to this one

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

No but that’s a great idea 💡👍 I’ll have to get a scale for future boxes.

[@ForsakenWar]

I really don't think this was Topps employee though... back in the day they wouldn't know what cards would be the big hits down the road. This is somebody, recently, who had a case - went through and cherry picked the good cards and went to a LOT of work to make it look originally sealed👍

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh yeah, that makes sense I'm wondering if it was the Beckett dealer... which is why he's not responding 👎

[@ForsakenWar]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR Very possible bit unfortunately virtually impossible to prove. I'm not sure how Beckett works - I buy 80% from eBay - I also have an eBay store so I know they're pretty diligent about their sellers. The rest I buy from online auctions - PWCC, Small Traditions, Mile High Card Company and Heritage mainly. They all offer guarantees. Of course eBay is where I got the reprint 1933 Goudeys they had listed as originals.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@ForsakenWar Yeah, I'm on the fence about whether or not I buy from Beckett.com again. This is a huge loss for me. I prefer eBay but the competition and prices are stiff for the Tiffany sets!

[@hokiescott8037]

My guess is someone harvested stickers from other boxes and placed it over that one and shrinked wrapped it. The 1984-1988 normal sets I have don’t have shrink wrap.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Interesting theory, they all are the same stickers so they definitely got them from the same place. They're so clean though and look authentic!

[@hokiescott8037]

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone reprinted them too. If you go on some Chinese sites there’s fakes of the popular cards and coins even in the “graded” holders.

[@ClassicCards]

Wow. Thanks for sharing the info, those seams are definitely something to look for. I recently shared a video on a fake BBCE “authenticated” box I received...Info us collectors NEED to know!! Thanks Matt

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh wow, I'll go check that video out I would have thought that BBCE wrap would be tough to duplicate. Freaking insane how crafty thief's are!

[@jasonmatteson9909]

What video was this Classic? Is like to see bbce box

[@ClassicCards]

It’s the only “PSA not PSA” vid I have up right now! An 86 Topps box...like really? Makes me think no doubt “bigger” boxes have been faked. Beware!!

[@jasonmatteson9909]

@@ClassicCards ill check it out. Wow. Not much in the 86 topps box. Very shady

[@Junk-O-Mology182]

It's 35 years old....who knows how many sins are committed over that many years. That's why it's crazy to buy unopened packs from the 60s....even certified. Unless I saw them come our of the case.....and even then. Mining sets or packs for gold is a tuff MOS

[@darrellfernandis]

The first red flag you should have noticed was the price. You'll be lucky to get one of those sets Factory sell for $300. The second red flag isn't your fault but it was the shrink wrap. The Topps Factory sealed boxes came in shrink-wrap with Topps printed all over it like Panini does.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep, the price was waaaay too low. Hindsight I was being greedy, which is partially my fault lol. Also, I am now aware that shrink-wrapped boxes of older sets is a huge red flag! Thanks for the insight 👍

[@darrellfernandis]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR I just realized something. If the seller wasn't aware of the tempering they wouldn't have sold it for that low price. I have a signed Barry Bonds card that I think might be a forgery.

[@scotthendricks79]

Isn't there a list of sealed weights or anything.

[@faxhandle9715]

One of my favorite sets ever, even just the regular set! Sorry this happened.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks! Yeah, this is a classic one-of-a-kind set with an iconic design. It's only going to get more and more popular as the years progress!

[@djflipping6506]

Watch out for the 1989 Fleer Glossy Sets too. People wrap those back up as well. Authentic 1989 Fleer Sets are wrapped in a thin plastic thats a little lose. Never tight. Just a pointer!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yep! I've been looking on eBay for some of those sets and have already seen some shady looking deals... Thanks for the tip!

[@rodwhite9737]

Hey, Matt. It makes me so sad and angry that someone would do this to a person who's spending his hard earned money on these awesome sets. Whoever has done this to you and every other person who bought these sets should go to jail! That's stolen property, in a sense. I was thinking of buying a Tiffany box after your first video. I don't know now if I should. Who is this guy you bought from so I don't make the same mistake? This is appauling! Sorry for your loss, my friend. Merry Christmas and happy New Year to you and your family! I hope 2020 is a great year for you. Keep 'em comin'! Cheers!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks Rod! I appreciate the feedback. The seller is Bakersfield.cards and his store is on Beckett.com. Not sure if he has an eBay account or not. I've had nothing but positive experiences on Beckett.com so far and this has been the first negative. If you want to buy a Topps Tiffany set, spend the extra money and buy from a reputable dealer. Merry Christmas Rod! looking forward to 2020 👍🎄💪

[@rodwhite9737]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR Whoever stole the cards out of the box must have a seal maker, maybe? I don't know. but that sucks big time. If it was me I'd find out where he lives. HAHAHA! Any thoughts on Football cards or Basketball cards boxes I should buy? Your input would mean a lot to me. I know that going back on your videos I would find out for myself, but I would like to know what you think.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

@@rodwhite9737 There is a 1990 Topps Tiffany football card set that is very hard to come by that I've been looking out for. Other than that, I would say early Topps Chrome, Bowman Chrome or anything with Drew Brees, Tom Brady would be a nice investment. Basketball is all over the place. I've been trying to find the next box myself. I'm thinking I might have to spend the extra buck and get a 1996, 1997 or 1998 box and look for some Jordan's!

[@rodwhite9737]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR OK. Thanks for that.

[@noelgourdin81]

I'm sorry you went thru that my Man! But how much are those cards worth? The Barry Bonds, the Mark McGuire, and the Jose Canseco?

[@stan7158]

From what I remember as a kid that basically lived in card shops, the color of the writing on the sticker has to match the color of the box. So if there was pink writing, the 87 set is purple. Dead give away. But people don't realize all the products back then were easily opened from the bottom. And shrink wrapped products are simple to re-wrap and look unopened. I've unfortunately been fooled myself. I'll only buy graded wax era cards online now. Or in person from my local card dealer. Btw , what was the final outcome with the seller?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I got refunded from Paypal and was able to keep the cards.

[@christianmolina8175]

Bro thank for the info and sorry that happened to you. I brought a complete topps set from from 1989 or 1990. The box was jam pack that i couldnt get my finger into corner of the box on each end. I dont remember if it had a topps seal on it.

[@phillipatkinson6327]

Thank you for the video. I just purchased two boxes on ebay and I could tell from the weight and the shifting of cards that some were missing. Interesting to see that you had a similar issue. Thanks again for posting it.

[@chuish123]

Hi - I have probably 57,000 cards and I mostly tried to collect sets from 80's to 90's until I stopped collecting. It's so confusing - for example - how can a 1989 Donruss sealed set be sold for $50 but people are selling the 1989 Ken Griffey Jr Rated Rookie for $2,500. I understand the condition, but if you have a unsealed 1989 Donruss set wouldnt the Ken Griffey Rookie be in mint condition PSA 10? Or is it that the sellers on Ebay and other related sites are Bsing everyone and inflating the prices? Please let me know.

[@chuish123]

Correction 70,000+ cards in my collection, maybe more.

[@tyreesneed]

because 95% of the cards have flaws. even the sealed sets and sealed never opened packs. in order for that card to be worth and sell for 2,500 it has to be graded a 10 from PSA. and that means the card has to have NO surface issues, NO white on corners or edges, and has to be PERFECTLY CENTERED TOP BOTTOM LEFT RIGHT and 95% of the cards are NEVER perfectly centered. so the odds of that card being PERFECT even if the box is a fresh set or fresh pack thats never been opened or touched are like 1 in a million lol ... I used to wonder this too until I figured all this out. I used to say all the time "why are all these sellers selling full factory sets from 1985,1986,1987,1988,1989 etc for 25 or 50 bucks when theres 10 cards in there all worth 500 too 1,000 or more????

[@CaseyContentGod]

How much did you pay for each box?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

$99 with like $10 shipping per box roughly so about $450 for all four boxes. Which, I thought was a great deal. Now I know why lol

[@CaseyContentGod]

PSA COLLECTOR wow, hopefully you get your money back. But let me tell you this, you’re saving a lot of people headache and money. So, me as viewer, I’d like to say thanks. Also report it to Pay Pal as well.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Big time headache! Make sure and share the video to let others know how scammy the hobby can be! Thanks for the feedback! Glad I could help you 👍

[@CaseyContentGod]

PSA COLLECTOR I’ll definitely share your channel with my viewers next time I go live. I have 3 channels.

[@ermis33]

Man this sucks and I hate if for you! Unfortunately anyone with a shrink wrap machine can re-seal something and it looks just like it from the factory. You are right though, someone went to the extreme trouble to create some fake seals, searched the boxes then shrink wrapped the boxes back up and sold them. Did you get a reply from Beckett or the seller?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Not yet, but I'm hoping to before Christmas! The scamming job on these sets is unreal, yes they all were opened and re-sealed with the new pink seal! Major bummer. I just wanted the Bonds, McGwire and Jackson lol and the Rickey Henderson and Ozzie Smith too.

[@sportscardprofessor]

Great Analysis, thank you for detailing everything so well. It all seems so obvious later on, so giving a real-time example is vital.

[@kbo_collections_george]

Sorry that happened. Unfortunately, there are a lot of scammers out there. Hopefully you can get refunded on this. Anyway, thanks for sharing so that people know. I will share it on twitter to help spread the word.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the support! I'll do a follow-up video once Beckett, Paypal and the seller figure out a solution. 👍

[@antiquingwithmattgreig1370]

Gloves make it too easy to drop stuff. Clean, dry hands are the way to go. Good video.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

100% agree on that. Raw hands have the best grip!

[@Kidddaytona05]

I've had 2 new " sealed" blaster boxes one at target and one at Walmart that had been resealed returned and I bought them they looked new till I ripped open the pack and they didnt rip,lol super glued example was a 2020 donruss blaster box and inside the 2 possible hits had 2 1990 score baseball cards in it with in penny sleeves.i havent bought any retail since,buyer beware,PSA collector you rock bro keep it up,my first comment o you tube ever

[@rohitpuri4237]

Bonds’ Rookie card is in the 1986 Topps Traded, and 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany sets. Bonds 1987 Topps card is a regular card.

[@captmorgan2063]

Just received sealed 1987 Tiffany set opened it up and none of them are in order now I'm having doubts about mine I would of thought they would be in order by number if anyone knows please let me know

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I'm not 100% positive but I don't think the Tiffany sets were in numerical order.

[@captmorgan2063]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR my seal was stuck on so tight couldn't peel it off without it pulling the purple carton off with it, and I Even put all cards in numerical order and it's missing 5 cards, I will never buy another, also the common cards are in great shape and the top end cards have major surface issues

[@Jorel032777]

I’m curious, are you an employee of PSA or did you just pick the PSA name because you use PSA for grading? I’d like to hear your opinion on the recent PSA,BGS, PWCC allegations

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Lol, no I’m a full time graphic artist. I have no connection to PSA whatsoever other than being a PSA collector and investor. As far as the allegations go - everyone is innocent until proven guilty in this country and I trust the law to take care of all the accusations. I’m not losing any sleep over it and don’t plan on letting it affect my hobby in anyway. It sucks that this has surfaced and I do think the cards were trimmed somehow but there’s not much I can do about it other than maybe make a video on what to look for? I’m open to ideas.

[@brocklee1996]

It's such a shame bro. Sorry about your purchase. I got burned on Ebay on a 1984 fleer update set. They advertised it as factory set, unopened. The Clemens, puckett and Gooden cards were missing. I hate people sometimes!!! I've collected from 1980 to 2002. I would never deceive anyone if I sold my cards, it's so wrong and unethical.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

That's a bummer, man. I have been looking into picking up a set of the Fleer Update on eBay recently. I guess I'll check to see if BBCE has one first lol. Dang crooks in baseball cards. Who'd a thunk it?

[@jamesd6972]

Not factory someone resealed them I'm pretty sure just from what I saw

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Nope, they were not factory sealed by Topps, dealers did it to keep them protected I guess or to make them look factory sealed I guess.

[@Rossbrian1]

Opened from the bottom and then re sealed?

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Nope, just opened regularly by cutting the seal. filtering through the cards then applying a fake seal on top of the original.

[@vtfan8256]

Glad I saw this I have the Tiffany sets 87-90 none of mine had the plastic on it when I got them but it may have been taken off. But whoever did this took there time and honestly probably thought no one would ever open forgetting about us grading fanatics. I buy old sets all the time looking for good rookies to grade just because there’s not much value without a high grade.

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

Factory sealed sets are in numerical order. If not they have been handed!!

[@jasonmatteson9909]

Which factory sets are like this? Regular Topps factory sets are not in numerical order usually

[@fantasticvoyage614]

Let us know if you get a refund.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I'll do a follow up video once Beckett responds. They're not handling this very well at all.

[@sportstronics]

Classic move from these sellers back in the 90's. Dang experts at the seals both boxes and packs.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Swindled I have been. 😆

[@Caveman0000]

Its sad but its getting to the point where you cant Trust anyone in the hobby anymore.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I agree. It’s all about coming up with the next best scam😒

[@90210bribri]

The latest scam I've seen is blaster retail boxes where they open all the packs take out the rookies , etc,etc and reseal the blaster box return to store and the store puts it back on the shelves.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I've been hearing a lot about that. I'm going to try and make a video on what to look for once I go search my local Wal Mart and Target to see if any are tampered with. 👍

[@tonymoretti2347]

Easy to print all that stuff bro. Doubt it was Topps employees,but possible how much were they going for back in 88? I know the regular type wasn't going for a crazy amount

[@jeremymcnett6183]

Those did not come shrink wrapped from the factory.

[@scotthendricks79]

I'm honestly more impressed by the shrink wrap than the seal. That would be so easy to make

[@tyreesneed]

not sure why youre impressed on the shrink wrap you can take anything to staples or Office Depot and have it shrink wrapped for 50 cents.

[@jerryslivka6423]

I bought fifteen cello/rack packs from 19-20 Prizm basketball from Walmart last week. I got home and opened them, I found 225 cards from 03-04 topps basketball. ALL Paul Pierce and Steve Nash cards, the worst feeling ever. As soon as I opened the first pack I realized it was way, way to light. Someone opened them and returned them, worse was that Walmart would not refund my money..

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Man, sorry to heart that. I've been hearing a lot of guys going through that lately. How were the packs sealed up? Were they glued or heat pressed? Curious to see how they pulled that off.

[@jerryslivka6423]

@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR It looks like they were heated back up, the top of the packs had a slight blackness to them. Brutal feeling..

[@ConcernedCitizen5514]

How expensive were these Topps Tiffany factory sets when they were first sold? I have so many Topps cards from the mid-late 1980s from when I was a kid and they are all practically worthless. If I had known about these Topps Tiffany sets back then, I would have just bought these. I think I have more 1988 Topps card than anything else and I doubt they will ever be worth anything on the secondary market, although they were fun to open at the time. In 2001, I had bid for a 1984 Topps wax box which was only about $25 total including shipping! Someone outbid me and I was going to increase my bid shortly before the auction ended, but I forgot to do so! That would be worth more than $200 today.

[@ericlackey5337]

I got a shrink wrap machine for sale I have a acquaintance that shrink wraps stuff for his Amazon selling something that was opened he make sure all the pieces that there and then resells it. That just sucks I like vintage magazines and I paid a premium for a handful of trucking magazines and there's a bunch of cut-outs and Pages missing no exactly how you feel

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh wow, how much do those go for? I'm new to whole shrink wrap as a hobby and re-sell thing lol 😂

[@ericlackey5337]

Had a chance to get one for a hundred bucks at my local comic book shop I really don't have one for sale they're useful though

[@ericlackey5337]

Anything that has been shrink-wrapped I generally try to stay away from or assume that it's going to be re wrapped the one-time owner of those cards didn't want to get stuck with all the commons I'm sure you can buy those stickers online somewhere also I don't remember them being shrink-wrapped back then if they were they had a Topps imprint all over the shrink wrap

[@groundzero270]

They didn’t shrink wrap back then FYI!

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

I swear I've seen other sets on eBay sold in shrink wrap. Maybe I'm losing it lol. I can't believe they would go to this extent to make it look factory sealed.

[@groundzero270]

PSA COLLECTOR it’s common. BBCE shrinks theirs after authenticating and they get gold at times.

[@Jjbturnage30]

In my experience they never came shrink wrapped and were numerical six box cases..Hope this helps brother. Keep up the good work.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks for the feedback! It helps a lot 👍

[@redsfan6148]

That didn't happen at factory. It's sad that there's people doing this. Imagine how many other products they scammed. Thanks for video.ill just stick with my LCS and card shows for now on.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Yeah, I'm convinced a dealer did it. SMH. pitifull.

[@bryanlee9960]

Unfortunately I don’t have the Topps Tiffany Set but I do have a 1987 Topps Set and I have the Bonds, McGuire, Larkin, Joyner and Jackson Rookie Cards.

[@douglasquaid4518]

Some times the seller realizes he got snookered and tries to pass his misfortune on to you.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

lol, snookered him right back!

[@realprogressive4853]

Please don't blame a Topps employee. These cards were worth very limit money in 1987 and it is highly unlikely someone there would have done this. If the seller really did not know and he has a warehouse full of cards it may be one of his employees doing this.

[@baseball_rocks]

Very informative. Thank you for sharing. Hope you were able to get your money back. Best of luck!

[@allendennis7880]

If you have some info on seller check on BECKETT site and eBay if he had ever listed.them tried to sell cards missing from sets

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Oh yeah that's a good idea. I'll check his store on Beckett.com not sure if he has an eBay store.

[@miket2419]

Thanks for making this and shedding light.

[@thepastisalive]

That’s a shame man. Hoping this has a happy ending.

[@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR]

Thanks, I'm hoping so too. I've opened a case with Paypal so hopefully Beckett get's involved since I made the purchase through them. 👍