Graham Hancock Criticizes Archaeology as a Science | Joe Rogan

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1284 w/Graham Hancock:
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[@AS-fu1kd]

Graham Hancock is one of those people I can listen to for hours

[@oldibi]

Me 2

[@TommyTCGT]

Me not.. poorly informed or dare not talk about E T.

[@YZFoFittie]

When you are an old, nerdy, dude, with an English accent, dropping an F-bomb is a great attention getter...

[@thetavibes9021]

Sometimes. People curse.

[@YZFoFittie]

Lol

[@Tinywars]

We swear a lot here regardless of social standing and I mean a lot.

[@dasaggropop1244]

not in england it isn't

[@YZFoFittie]

@@dasaggropop1244 100% correct and 100% irrelevant, he's not in England... lol

[@bjornyesterday2562]

You might think you want to be Joe Rogan. But you actually want to be Graham Hancock

[@wadewade8521]

I want to be me.

[@MarsLonsen]

@@wadewade8521 but then again, you arnt. Predicament indeed.

[@stiannobelisto573]

No idea why he invites conspiracy nutters like him on his show

[@frankcostello9523]

Nope I think I’d definitely pick joe.

[@frankcostello9523]

stian nobelisto you’re kidding right? That’s what this show is built on. Have u never seen one of his podcasts with Alex Jones?? Their pure gold.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

I like how he basically just shouted at Jamie like he was a teacher's aide

[@vinny5638]

when your job is to google things you arent more than a teachers aide

[@allanjim3]

Now Vincent. Although the scope of young Jamie’s responsibilities do appear rather limited during the podcast, essentially he acts as the Executive Producer of the JRE. Truth be told; he’s become invaluable. Does Joe strike you as the type of person who personally ties up loose ends, tests the audio and video equipment, stocks the studio with guest’s special requests, confirms guest flights, hotel reservations transportation and other accommodations, plus a million other details? No. But because Joe knows this, Jamie’s going to get a Porsche GT3 from Joe as a bonus this year. Hardly something you give as a thank you to your ‘Google-Boy’. Give the guy some credit for doing a great job ... maybe he’ll let you smell the leather in his Porsche one day.

[@zionthiem6343]

He’s paid to do it

[@WMsandKFCisBackMOFOs]

@@allanjim3 Damn. Perfectly said.

[@ianstuart371]

@@zionthiem6343 perfrctly said. Damn.

[@acephas3]

As a scientist I can state the following: Whilst I do not agree that the pyramids were created with psychic powers, what Graham describes in the field of Archeology is called the paradigm. He is completely correct to suggest that the status quo exists to support the paradigm, opposing research is largely ignored, and careers are often (yes, often) destroyed. The two examples that you would recognize are hydrothermal vents and extrasolar planets. If you said that life could survive apart from photosynthesis, then youwere failed out of your classes in the 70s. Come to find out, not only are these vents completely unreliant on light, but each vent is unique. Moreover, I am 33 and I can remember scientists (leading scientists) stating plainly that the only planets are the ones in our solar system. When teams found those extrasolar planets, many of the scientists had their careers ruined. Nowadays it is understood that there are at least 1 billion earths in our galaxy and most planets are between the earth and Neptune in mass. These are two quick examples of how scientists ruin careers over disagreements. What then happens is technology gets better and the ostracized scientists are proven correct. However, rarely are those ostracized scientist given credit in their lifetimes. It happens after they die. It’s why historians are important, they check the lies scientists tell about past events. Edit: There are approximately 20-40 billion earth - like planets in our galaxy.

[@dominicchamoun3395]

okay poo poo head

[@isaacmccracken5870]

Don’t forget the scientist who first championed hand washing for midwives to prevent disease and was ridiculed out of the profession

[@potatius6421]

You're right... yet again, what we have here is a sociologist who's trying to tell us, without any evidence, that durign the ice-age there was an internatiknal, sea-faring community...while citing egyptian boats. The egyptians could barely cross the mediterranean sea, let alone oceans. I'm not an historian nor an archeologist. I won't say what's what, as I am ignorant in this field. What I can say is the following: communities who don't show anything but a few weird scratches on paper about far-away lands tend not to have a degree of navigational skill. There's no evidence and logic suggests otherwise, while in the case of planets and vents there was no evidence but logic suggested it.

[@darkroomservice569]

@@potatius6421 "The egyptians could barely cross the mediterranean sea, let alone oceans. I'm not an historian nor an archeologist. I won't say what's what, as I am ignorant in this field." ......I say this with kindness sort of, re-read these statements.

[@sadhu7191]

Archeology is just people studying the subject and having assumptions. Most will fail but it brings us closer to fact.

[@passthebreadsauce]

I'd like to point out that his issue isn't actually with archaeologists. Its with the gatekeepers. The gatekeepers being predatory academic journals only accessible by peer review, and the peer reviewers are those trying to align the papers being accepted with the popular consensus. As an archeologist, I immediately question the idea that the Polynesians are the first expert seafarers. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary (take the migration from Siberia to present day Canada/USA for example--by ice sheet or ocean travel debate). And is not often that archaeologists deny and alternative explanation. Rather, we have to stick to what little evidence we have, and until that evidence is discovered and produced in a major journal, protected by reviewers who corral everyone into the popular consensus sphere, opinions wont change. That's the scientific process too. Adapting interpretations to the evidence. I see his point, but even in discussing the Polynesians he's using archaeological knowledge to prove his point

[@romaintagliaferro3189]

If you are an archeologist, then you know that saying 9 truths folowed by one absurd interepretation doesn't make him 90% right

[@chuckleezodiac24]

As an archaeologist, I've been arguing that Hancock is a blubbering little whiner who overplays the Victim Card in order to present himself as a Martyr in response to being deservedly "ridiculed with howls of derision by hostile critics" for decades. "boo hoo. please feel sorry for me. enlist in my Cult of Contrived Outrage as i wage war on the dogmatic gatekeepers aka Those Who Follow The Scientific Method and regard me as a promoter of pseudoscientific nonsense with a financial motive and not a true seeker of knowledge & enlightenment. cry for me. buy my books & watch my Netflix series. Really, truly, all I care about is revealing the hidden truth of humanity's past. i am in no way a charlatan." Is this what happens when one is "permanently stoned" for 24 years and develops feelings of "bitterness, paranoia and irrational rage" as well as depression? I'm not a psychologist. I'm just asking questions.

[@ImHeadshotSniper]

​@@romaintagliaferro3189 90% right would be still be 100% wrong since it can only be one or the other :P i feel like Graham tries to use that as tool to take certain ideas we know in archaeology, and then piggy-back on all that hard work archaeologists have done and insert his own completely uneducated claim into the things that archaeologists do "know" in order to make people believe his ideas. Bob Lazar did the exact same thing, using the popular interpretation of ufos and aliens and inputting his own ideas to fabricate a direct connection between him and the story of UFOs and aliens. these people care about a certain kind of "fame", not necessarily the kind of fame where you're popular and well liked among everyone, but fame in the sense that they have the power and ability to control what people a small group of people think, and i'm sure people like Graham and Bob love the control they have over people who believe them more than they love the stories they tell.

[@romaintagliaferro3189]

@@ImHeadshotSniper Totally agree with you

[@jopo7996]

Wow. Graham is really trying to dig up dirt regarding archaeologists.

[@AztroZ-cz5js]

But hes right

[@roostershooter76]

He's right. I deal with indoctrinated archaeologists on a weekly basis. People who will not even consider my research, even though I have done more in field research than they have sitting at their desk. Most archaeologists have a career of a classroom, or sitting at their university desk and reading peer review journals. Very few get out in the field, but largely base their beliefs on others' findings. ie .... indoctrination.

[@ItsThatKidGreg]

☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 r/woosh

[@AztroZ-cz5js]

@@roostershooter76 thats a shame... I guess indiana jones didn't inspired them to jack shit... Lazzy people all around

[@The36th]

Nah. He just want to earn some cash on naive people who believe in idiotic hypothesis about ancient aliens.

[@TheAntiEggroll]

Joe "Look how they used to draw" Rogan

[@KbB-kz9qp]

😀 I like Joe Rogan - cool ! 😀

[@john-paulhunt9380]

I never liked SJWs hating ai assistance for those into this field here as its historic preservation as ai can help greatly as they hate it. I hate communism and fascism man as this is my place soon as the sjws reject me going into this field for a time.

[@JackPaulEvans1978]

Joe looks at salt under a microscope: " That looks SO man made! Come on!"

[@CRAZYHUNTER7429]

I mean table salt is man made

[@myungkim5703]

I’ve never heard the word “fucking” become more meaningful than the out of his mouth. Folks, that’s how we use that word.

[@unitedspacepirates9075]

A J shaped stone structure along the shore would certainly make a nice wave break for harboring boats.

[@WeareIF]

One of the best podcasts for a while

[@clanceychadwell7848]

Yeah I’ve watched a bunch of the clips from this one, and it’s nonstop absolutely fascinating stuff.

[@charlesvanzwevezele6765]

Worst*

[@CraneClan07]

Since my undergraduate ( BA Archaeology) years, I've been arguing that archaeology is a soft science with some aspects of hard science.

[@JohnnyButtons]

Fair enough 😉

[@AlonzoCalPolyPomona]

As an electrical engineer. Y'all ain't science. Y'all dig up things and request scientist help

[@hermonymusofsparta]

Soft science is pushing it

[@Phi1618033]

Herodotus says that the Phoenicians claimed to have circumnavigated Africa. And the descriptions of the lands and the peoples and, especially, the night sky that Herodotus gives matches almost perfectly with our current knowledge.

[@kyle9974]

Somali Kid why did the spanish give money to Columbus

[@JulesLife]

Yoooooo my boy sneaks in another perfect F-BOMB. Best deliveries.

[@lonewonderer9771]

Did he just say.. TAHITI!?

[@bafanankomo2503]

Its a magical place

[@Exe404error]

Hmmmm... I think I now have a plan

[@theredneckprincessoftactic8176]

I thought I was the only one 😂 it’s such a trigger word now I swear. HAVE SOME GODAMN FAITH!!!

[@Ryan-zd4rv]

Have some goddamned faith

[@DanielRamirez-iq3rt]

We just need more money.....one more score

[@jacoboribilik3253]

What's truly unbelievable is the fact this guy is Scottish and I can understand every word he says.

[@zenguidancetarot]

His accent is not Scottish and he IS speaking English !

[@zenguidancetarot]

His accent is not Scottish and he IS speaking English !

[@chestersabajo5527]

Cockney English London UK🇬🇧

[@Random_qubit]

Whatever explanation you give it has to align with all evidence but also change when new evidence is presented . Same with science as it is with Archaeology , fundamentally

[@Trouchy]

People: Debate current science Science: you're debating science lol!? do you debate math or gravity? also science: we need to change our view all the time, nothing is set in stone

[@Random_qubit]

@@Trouchy-Math is a tool used in science while gravity a Natural phenomenon , Einstein general theory of relativity being our best explanation of it . Debate all you want but your explanation needs evidence , this is why Archaeology incorporates science

[@bobmcbobbington9220]

People resist changes in all sciences. Sometimes they end up being proven right. Sometimes not. Doesn't make it not-a-science because there's resistance to that change. It is the responsibility of the scientific community to question the new AND the old

[@Random_qubit]

@@bobmcbobbington9220 Of course theres resistance this is why a hypothesis in science is more credible if its falsifiable , can make predictions , peer reviewed etc . Scientist are trying to prove their theories/predictions wrong . How old a theory is means nothing . When the black hole images were discovered that lent more credence to predictions Einstein made in his theory of general relativity which he wrote down over a 100 yrs ago . Science and its methods can only tell us the probability of something being true , the likelihood .

[@Random_qubit]

@David Anewman - thats not how science works .

[@jonathanmorin9519]

Rise of Tomb Raider and Graham Hancock got me wanting to be an archeologist now.

[@gameragamera656]

Real archaeologists in shambles

[@blazayblazay8888]

When they've mapped the world they become " our " ancestors

[@Arigator2]

If you're talking about 20,000 years ago they could easily be all of our ancestors. You have 2 parents and 4 grandparents and 8 great grandparents etc etc. That number gets really big really fast.

[@blazayblazay8888]

paperchasin23 exactly they label us as primitive but when they see we had medicine and sciences that predates all of a sudden we're all one people

[@adilchaudhry3272]

@@blazayblazay8888 you guys are a joke. Without Western research you would still be in huts and shit or being sacrificed at the altar rofl

[@iforbach4003]

@paperchasin23 more likely that your male ancestors were mostly Spanish, who conquered Mexico and interbred with the local women. Not a sure thing, but history points to that likelihood.

[@acephas3]

Actually, it’s Spanish, Native American, and a whole lotta German.

[@TheShootist]

Graham Hancock isn't qualified to criticize archaeology.

[@cantmakethisup36]

Scott McCloud ☝️ couldn’t have said it better.

[@richrice6839]

I think you are right but as graham says most of these archaeologists lives and careers are based on a certain theory and they will do anything to disprove opposition theories for the sake of themselves rather than the benefit of science and the truth, that being said Graham is not qualified in that field Merely a journalist but I think some of his points are fair

[@kjojar3808]

Any regular Joe is qualified ro criticize archeology if it deviates from the very simple scientific model. Did you know that Smithsonian fairly recently brought a defamation lawsuit against an independent investigator who made the claim that Smithsonian has giant humanoid skeletons in their possession that they have kept secret from the world, and that they have disposed of thousands of remains of giants all over America and other parts of the world? Well, during the hearing a Smithsonian empoyee turned whistleblower and confirmed that they indeed do just that: hide evidence of a larger species of humanoid, and that they have destroyed many in the past. They told on themselves and it is on the official public record. Any person who can read that record has full and complete authority to criticize archeology. Doctrines of academia are not populated with the type of smarmy experts interested in giving up the bowtie and their special foundation awards and fellowships all because some asshole found a huge road underwater by the sugar cane fields. Do you feel me? It's not like I'm gonna accidentally wander yonder and bust their operation, how about you? But we can stop letting them spoonfeed us their poisonous drivel like we love it. They must laugh their asses off at how stupid we have become. Well,... how stupid SOME have become.

[@matthewbellis8620]

What peice or peices of paper are required? It always comes back to self, you deem those who have jumped through the hoops more competent only because such institutions have deemed them to be so and you Deem such institutions as the authority, I on the other hand do not, I often find there are individuals who operate outside of such Institutions can often be the movers and shakers of times, of course for every genuine one there's much more that are just retarded, so perception is key.

[@crispcrispy]

@@kjojar3808 I'm gonna need a source on that claim about giants.

[@StallionFernando]

After this guy said that the pyramids were built with psychic superpowers I take all he says with a grain of sand.

[@cflo1386]

To be fair there's also theories that the pyramid's were placed in formation that mirrors components in a computer, like a motherboard.

[@Colourisedspoon]

He said it as a possibility. If he had your mentality, he would be exactly like those he is throwing shades at. Its for this reason thats why he was ridiculed and vindicated in the end

[@StallionFernando]

@@Colourisedspoon well maybe he shouldn't be saying shit like that without at least some well thought out theory on to why he believes this.

[@Colourisedspoon]

Sushi Uchiha You presume your civilisation is the pinnacle of humanity and that past civilisation’s must be bounded by the limitations of the current civilisation? How arrogant.

[@StallionFernando]

@@Colourisedspoon you're an idiot I never once said that lol. You're not wise nor as smart as you think you are, making that preconception of me lol. The arrogant one here is you. Go back to smoking pot dude.

[@salamico2136]

I could not switch I had to listen to everything this man said thanks a lot guys for the information it was awesome

[@Usumgallu]

Archeologists: reconstruct history based on small pieces of evidence. Hancock: invent history out of your head.

[@rogerpatterson3422]

Actually its the other way around

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

He's like all academic the whole time and then "it's really freakin' weird"

[@matthewhorizon6050]

I couldn't agree more. This is a different version of the guy who debated Michael Seurmer w Randall Carlson. The 420 effects are still carrying over.

[@si8eria907]

I have my bachelors in anthropology but now unfortunately work in aviation. I need to get back to it. Graham is brilliant and a pleasure to listen to.

[@MrDhinkson1]

I like Graham Hancock, but archaeology can only work with what it finds.

[@xtiancolquhoun7410]

@Jake Dean yes I agree with what you just said. The thing with things like archaeology and cosmology is it's based on probability more so than certainty,in some case's that can also be said for most of science. Rather this theory is more probable than another. Not saying that it is not evidence based,but the evidence you're working with is very limited,and will continue to be limited.

[@rhysperegrine5100]

@Jake Dean It doesn't claim to be a science. It's a discipline within a broad school known as the arts and humanities - alongside other disciplines like history and English literature. It doesn't even claim to be a SOCIAL science. The irony is that Hancock and Rogan are themselves as pseudoscientific as it gets. Hancock with his telekinetic time-travellers and Rogan peddling his Alpha Snake Oil.

[@siriusfun]

It assigns confirmation biases to what it finds, I think is his point.

[@siriusfun]

Neither claim to be scientists, however, and as such, have no orthodoxy to uphold. And even so, they look at the evidence and remain objective- just as scientists once did before large grants and funding were involved. @@rhysperegrine5100

[@smwrbd]

Well now that it has found Australian/Asian genomes in the Amazon let them start working with that...

[@repetemyname842]

I get what he's saying, but Archaeology has changed with the times as new data comes out and new finds are discovered. Its as much a Science as anything else today.

[@cypher1160]

bro my stoned ass busted out laughing 😭 it’s not even supposed to be funny but 💀 4:50 “Some of which, had c u m-“

[@justincase8533]

For as much pot as Grahm has smoked its amazing he is able to retain such detailed n accurate information..

[@shanghunter7697]

Gossiping about others publicly that you're obviously jealous of ? A true nonintellectual ....good job mikey.

[@justincase8533]

@@shanghunter7697 Ive read some moronic comments on KZbin but DAAAMN..

[@albcev1511]

Joe "It looks so man-made" Rogan

[@ricardopereira6873]

Graham Hancock is the hero we need.

[@charlesvanzwevezele6765]

Don't*

[@WheelsofSteal]

I love me some Graham!!! My favorite guest of all time so far on Joe's podcast. Keep them coming.

[@ClockRo4ch]

Every single thing this Hancock guy tries to sell as fact is either very-very misleading or flat out wrong. For example the dating of the Polynesian Expansion in this video. Or the dating of the Antykhytera mechanism in another one, or what it was used for. Everything he says is factually wrong. I'm honestly starting to think that an English accent has a magical enchanting effect on Americans or something, that makes them ignore logic.

[@waterloo32594]

It does. You want to be listened to in the US, speak with a posh English accent. People will automatically think your better educated then them, and that they should listen to what you have to say.

[@brendanwood9630]

I believed him because he was well rehearsed and I don't know a lot about archaeological structures. But come to find out yeah a lot of what he says is false

[@nolantalbott8737]

I might be wrong here but I think everything he says in the video is disagreeing with what is already established so if you search it. It’s going to say something different then what he is saying. He’s putting an argument in why he believes what he believes. And it goes against what archaeologists and historians have stated in the past. And then you can hear him out and form your own opinion.

[@ClockRo4ch]

@@nolantalbott8737 It goes against empirical proof, most of it. His opinions about the Antykhytera Mechanism are a prime example of how much bullshit he tries to sell. He gets EVERYTHING about it wrong.

[@nolantalbott8737]

@@ClockRo4ch I’ll take your word for it I’m too lazy to dig deep into it myself lol but I’m surprised joe didn’t question him at all usually joe is well read on the subjects before he has the guest on.

[@sevi95100]

And theoretical Astrophysics is? What a joke

[@sevi95100]

@@TheRybka30 On Hancock

[@sevi95100]

Archeology is a science like any other. Just because we can‘t prove certain theories today, does not indicate they aren’t valid or the field is not scientific. What about String theory, Relativity or even artificial intelligence that are only recently (partly) experimentally confirmed. In fact i reckon most scientific fields can‘t prove theories immediately. But thats not what science is about, it is finding the best fitting theory according to previous knowlege, observation and evidence we have right now, while following the rules of the „scientific“ world that make sure data and sources are as good as we can get them.

[@kpllc4209]

He hates archaeology for the same reason the ancient alien guys do.

[@enkhbayaroyuntsetseg357]

@@sevi95100 Archaeologists finds evidence, conducts research, and majority of them strongly believe in science. What this guest claims lacks evidence.

[@sevi95100]

@@alexroca6981 Jokes on you, my mum doesn't wear glasses. You must mean my sister

[@TenThumbsProductions]

Dr. Grant is about to round up the velociraptors and pay Mr. Graham Hancock a visit.

[@technicallyedible7272]

They're big turkeys!

[@Waterhouse1666]

Love the slight of hand Graham. ‘Here is an old map, look and this weird drawing, it looks like a man made structure’…’the Bimini Road was drawn on an old map’

[@siriusfun]

It's 'sleight of hand', and at no point did he employ such a device. What were you watching? lol

[@Waterhouse1666]

@@siriusfun the bit where he pointed to an old map highlighting a bit of it, got agreement that i was man made looking and then carried on as tho it was irrefutable that it depicted Bimini. That 'sleight' of hand. establish agreement about something then swap it out for agreement about something else.

[@milpitasA4]

@@Waterhouse1666 he says he doesn't care to opine whether it's man made, he cares that the Bimini Road's location is on the exact location of that island with the monolithic structures on the map

[@wadewade8521]

@@Waterhouse1666 sorry bro...that's a miss.

[@Rucky888]

Love this stuff

[@DudesIn101]

Bimany road is a water break for ships,,way cool

[@shanghunter7697]

Oh, is that what it is ! t.y. for informing us all......good Lord.

[@wetokebitcoins1769]

we need to also criticize science as a religion

[@ryant1064]

Science is not a religion. It is the best method we have to understand the world. I’m sure you are suggesting people follow it like a religion, but that is on people not the method. Do you have a better method for understanding the world around us??? Of course not. The scientific method works, period.

[@wetokebitcoins1769]

@@ryant1064 That's just what a guy who treats science as a religion would say. Religion worked for most people like a science until it didn't and it could be the polar opposite today, but that doesn't make it right either. Look at how much you want to talk shit to me because I said something that hurt your feelings, I bet you like to think yourself a scientist. Priests got pretty pissed off when people said that Jesus wasn't science either, then the non believers would get killed by the scientists. Period, you win, hands down, because, words.

[@Twulfbynight]

We Smoke Bitcoins science is a tool. Just like a hammer or a screwdriver. Religion is a collection of philosophical and ideological beliefs. Two different things

[@wetokebitcoins1769]

@@Twulfbynight And those collections of beliefs are used by members of the religion like a tool. Tools are used to get something accomplished. Don't forget that religion was the first science and if science is a tool then religion is also a tool.

[@Twulfbynight]

We Smoke Bitcoins there’s nothing scientific about fairy tales

[@6atlantis]

Anyone know what the Bimini twist is? 🎣🎣

[@Hussein_Nur]

Science means studying, archaeology mean the study of the past. It is science, objectively speaking.

[@jon4589]

In the modern world, it means applying the scientific method. Archeology is a difficult subject for that method.

[@markmacinnis5131]

It,s all science . The confusion comes from how it is interpreted

[@blindspotspotter.2352]

Good call. It's like calling Egyptology a science. Give me a break.

[@bradbarrett9236]

Admiral Reis seems to have primarily based his map on Magellan and Columbus' maps as mentioned in his own writing; essentially contemporary. The suggestion that part of South America is Antarctica his dealt with many people like Dr. Michael Heiser on FringePop321. It was suggested in books that came out in the seventies, the name of which escapes me. I completely agree about ancient seafaring cultures, I just no longer consider the Piri Reis map as related evidence. For the sake of argument if portrayals of Greenland or Antarctica or Bimimi indicate more ice at the time of their creation, it would be consistent with the rate of melting described in ancient sex and writings all the way to records of Captain Vancouver, and I will say this; while I believe ice melted very rapidly in the past, its also possible the rate of ice melt increases as the amount of ice to be melted decreases.

[@denysbeecher5629]

Deeply flawed misunderstanding of how longitude is calculated. Yes, if you are at sea you need to rely on accurate chronometers. On land you can make a longitude estimate accurate w/in 10 nmi with very simple sighting tools. Wouldn't be that hard to create a map that appears accurate on a worldwide scale without an accurate chronometer.

[@karu6111]

but he has an English accent dude

[@karu6111]

that's gotta some like 15 points to his IQ 💁‍♀️

[@danielmorgan104dm]

Archaeology today is as much as a science today as any other established scientific field. Isotopic analysis, dendrochronology, radio carbon dating, SEM, Lipid analysis, geophysical surveying, ancient DNA are all major aspects of the field and the list goes on

[@KebabsRock1997]

you missed the point entirely

[@pauldumbleton9137]

The problem in several fields of study is that the line between evidence and opinion is to often blurred and insufficiently distinguished. This is particularly true in what I would called the 'soft' sciences such as archeology, economics etc. But it is true of physics and mathematics too. In the effort to popularise and thus invite funding, 'experts' are tempted to assert some truth, but not necessarily the whole truth. Et in Arcadia Ego.

[@TDD-xf9ij]

Archaeology is a broad term. There are many sub-disciplines such as Osteoarchaeology which are very scientific in their methodology. I understand Grahame's point along with his frustration, however, he is not entirely correct. It is why we have a BA and a BSc I guess. One tends to theorize a lot more than the other, which is ok, as long as those 'theories' do not become dogmatic and unshakable.

[@ishaankaul5542]

graham "in other words" hancock

[@gazpal]

Judging by the current and ongoing state of affairs, archaeologists need to become far less tunnel-visioned while far more open to extending research toward areas covered by researchers/investigators such as Graham Hancock. They're presently self-limited by a reluctance to dig far deeper and extend their own research instead of standing upon the shoulders of their predecessors such as Sir Flinders Petrie. Graham Hancock's theories could very well be incorrect, but they do deserve far more credence.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

if GH truly cared about credence, he should have enrolled in a university and become an archaeologist, complied his "theories" in compliance with The Scientific Method, formulated a hypothesis and submitted it for peer review -- instead of being "permanently stoned" for 24 years. but he doesn't really care about advancing human knowledge, does he? better to get high for 16 hours a day, write books about "Ancient Mysteries," travel the world, make ends & produce Netflix series. not a bad way to make a living.

[@gazpal]

@@chuckleezodiac24 it doesn't really work like that.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

@@gazpal yeah, man. I wish the "Scientists" would do all the work for Graham. Hey, scientists immediately drop everything you're doing. Forget your own "theories," research and experimental studies. Hey, "scientists," please open your minds and go investigate the claims of a dude who promotes pseudoscientific ideas for profit. Stop limiting yourselves and don't forget to look in Antarctica for Atlantis. Hop up on the shoulders of Hapgood and extend your research on Earth Crustal Displacement. Refusing to authenticate it won't make the evidence vanish..... like Atlantis. Also check out Mars. I heard there was an Advanced Civilization up there with a Sphinx-like structure. And while you're at it, please confirm the levitation of 70-ton stone blocks. By chanting. It's in the "Egyptian records." Look it up. Graham is in no way a charlatan. Breaking News: Atlantis was once ruled by a Race of Bigfoots. Hey, scientists: please verify. Move your asses, hop to it, get 'er done. Graham "Mr. It's Entirely Possible" Hancock is waiting.

[@gazpal]

@@chuckleezodiac24 lol someone has really gotten to you lol You seem to assume I give a damn about whatever's whirling around within that small brained, caustic mind of yours, but surprise, surprise...... Your assumptions are very wrong.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

@@gazpal Awww, you gonna cry? The tears of Atlantards are delicious. I collect them in jars.

[@astrotakota]

Joe "So the Polynesians did DMT right?" Rogan

[@supaflyyowen]

Have this dude on more I love history especially human history and this dude is very knowledgeable

[@Shorroth]

The island that Hancock is claiming is in the Grand Bahama Banks is actually Hispaniola, so a little over 600 miles off the mark. Also the map used for the New World was not older sources, but a map by Columbus. Source: www.diegocuoghi.com/Piri_Reis/McIntosh/McIntosh_PiriReis.htm

[@nelsonrenecontreras]

Joe Rogan :) keep up the good work :) great podcast :)

[@WeareIF]

This was tops.

[@waarschuw1ng]

:)

[@ShHeMiLeRe]

Antarctica appears on older maps because they believed that all lands in the north had to have their equivalent on the opposite site. That's how Antarctica was first named and even before it was "discovered". I can see how he comes up with those brilliant theories.

[@NDcompetitiveshooter]

Hmmm...and they just happened to be able to draw it correctly to scale. Just lucky I guess.

[@ShHeMiLeRe]

I hope you think this is how Antarctica looks like. In 16th century no one knew it existed and in ancient Greece it was just a theory based on what they thought as logical.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

@@NDcompetitiveshooter The Piri Reis Map has been debunked a million times. But you wouldn't know because you derive all your info from pseudoscientific sources. Hancock used to say that Atlantis was in Antarctica but was destroyed due to Earth Crustal Displacement. He's so scientifical. I can't wait for all that ice to melt so we can find it.

[@eightclouds1465]

What we need is more Graham Hancocks.

[@tsumtv3860]

I’ve been listening to this guy all day. Need to get his book

[@iLastStar]

same! I say get the latest book "Magicians of the gods", because in a interview at Joe he mentioned he disagrees with some hypotheses/ thoughts he had in his previous older book "fingerprints".

[@livininthevalley]

I have to question the ideology that the Polynesians just nailed it on the first try without having any challenges and hurdles. Who’s to say they didn’t wander about for days kicking themselves for even taking the journey, and luck would have it that they end up finally finding their destination. Story needs more suspense and drama!

[@sjring7331]

If the Piri Reis map is supposed to come from an ancient seafaring civilization during the last glacial period, why does it show "Antarctica" as a land with a warm & humid climate?

[@kjojar3808]

Have you been there? I haven't. It could be candyland for all I know. I am left to rely on the claims of official people who are all part of a government with a record for chronically lying and deceiving. It just doesn't seem honest of me to either take their words as fact, or assume I know anything at all about Antarctica. With the shit these world leaders pull lately, they could be hiding a perfect paradise for themselves, while polluting and corrupting this here place they plan to leave to us. It's not like we might accidentally wander into their little "secret" and bust them, so they can tell us anything under the sun that they want. Anything is possible. So, yes why couldn't Antarctica have been a warm and humid place at some point in time, and why not now? Again, I wouldn't have any solid way of knowing. How about you?

[@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights]

@@kjojar3808 Put down the blunt Edgy Brah

[@kenb4495]

@@kjojar3808 just go to Antarctica dude

[@kjojar3808]

@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights maybe I should pick up the blunt if I am indeed "edgy". Perhaps I am onto something when I suggest that most of what we "know" was taught to us by someone else, therefore in need of confirmation through our own experiences before accepted as "fact". It's not like there have been no reasons popping up to prompt my mental audit. Did you know that colorful lights have been emanating from the south pole similar to those that are seen way up north? The only problem is that the direction they are oriented is absolutely not possible according to the laws of physics...yet, there they are. Gosh, maybe science is incomplete, or maybe we should spank Antarctica for breaking the law. Just saying. I can say with a high degree of certainty that a group of adequately educated folks who passed a memorization lesson that they all have in common does not equate to a factually accurate understanding of anything. Why is that so edgy? It seems kind of obvious to me, you know, self evident? Isn't it a little strange to you that more people don't share this logic? I can't reconcile how we as a society put so much faith in scientists, knowing that 1)they are at the mercy of whomever funds such research, 2) they are mere mortals like us, and 3) power corrupts....but scientists are exempt from the temptation of power? Nope, it doesn't jive.

[@kjojar3808]

@@kenb4495, lol, is that an invitation to fund my trip? Nah, you go ahead. I heard it's a pain in the ass to get there.

[@Jamjam-wo5pc]

GRAHAM the fact you dont see Archaeology as a Science is kinda why your work is considered Pseudo-Science

[@star.soaked.wanderer]

you're*

[@idrinkcofe]

How can you be seen as pseudo-science

[@star.soaked.wanderer]

@@idrinkcofe all science is "pseudoscience" until the majority decides to agree with it germs were "pseudo science" for most of human history, and people thought diseases came from God, witches, vampires and "bad air" most people *still* believe that you can get sick from cold air 😂 the only true science is math, honestly

[@theredneckprincessoftactic8176]

David Kelly it’s “your” idiot

[@star.soaked.wanderer]

@@davez5201 he edited it to add the word "work"

[@myungkim5703]

Human civilization can regress as fast as it progressed. Whether it was a progress might be up for debate, but that’s besides the point here. We should heed it as a warning that our civilization might not exist after less than a century.

[@jamesrosales89]

Wow this is so EPIC thankyou :)

[@JohnjOcampo]

The human race is so flawed why cant we all work towards one goal and not get butt hurt when questioned..

[@etrigan966]

Pride

[@rmanS2C]

Could someone please reply to this comment with an essential listening link for all videos on graham hancock talking about stuff related to the bible like Noah’s arc and also the effect dmt has had on humans and what information it has given us? Thanks

[@ryant1064]

There is nothing on Noah’s Ark, it’s a fucking Stone Age myth.

[@kjojar3808]

@@ryant1064 nothing anywhere, ever? Or nothing from Graham?

[@kjojar3808]

grahamhancock.com/gstrachan1/ There you go, have at it. It took me like 15 seconds to find out something I did not know, which is that Graham Hancock has a website. And because I am a fair person with good will, I looked past your sarcasm and performed an act of service for you, that I was in no way obligated to perform. Now do me one solid and actually view the material you requested. Cheers!

[@thefloridamanofytcomments5264]

Lol Easter Island wasn’t found intentionally. “Finding” it was easy for the 3 ships that did. The other 3000 found the ocean floor.

[@69elchupacabra69]

Exactly, I guess we can call it survivor-*ship* bias

[@thefloridamanofytcomments5264]

I C WUT U DID THAR

[@hohaia01]

fascinating

[@heavymeddle28]

I doesn't not hypothise about whether publication where scientific archeological inventions does access accurate not to don't "don't" do any hypothesis at all. Consider oceans of Egyptians

[@steveneslick4937]

Uhhhh...what?

[@heavymeddle28]

@@steveneslick4937 my friend... You can't see why is a vacuum didn't... Didn't?.. Or don't?.. Or not be an all "is you and I'm just for the jungle in a huge part"... A question for the other Egyptians two simple observable thing is that they got

[@RadicalRedbeard]

@@heavymeddle28 Your english is not good so no one can understand you.

[@heavymeddle28]

@@RadicalRedbeard I can understand you just fine. Your English is ok

[@joshuahumes5548]

I totally agree with him

[@sumuqh]

This podcast is bloody fascinating

[@anthonyqcolosimo5374]

Love Graham. His voice is so enjoyable.

[@mandu9520]

Lol, 10:20 Jamie clicks on that photo and gets a title of something about 'Gay and Lesbian Bimini' and clicks off right away.

[@zachmathis361]

I love listening to this guy. He's adorable too

[@BillyLapTop]

I regard archeology as a souvenir hunt.

[@FornoDan]

Loved this jre, and ive been goin hard on you lately

[@devinross8071]

I think you should edit this one again...

[@chuckleezodiac24]

going hard on Hancock is the only way to go!

[@unclehobby6296]

Someone please make a compilation of Joe asking, "Jaime, go back".

[@MegaBudgreen]

Do a program on the bosnian pyramids they are bigger than the egypt pyramids.

[@GodBody-BodyofGod]

FreeSpirit Bosnian pyramids don’t exist.

[@siriusfun]

Neither do you. @@GodBody-BodyofGod

[@etiennedegaulle3817]

Graham Hancock has already said on JRE that he doesn't believe the bosnian pyramids are man-made.

[@MegaBudgreen]

Mb he chance his mind like so many others.

[@johnsmith-jv3ry]

the longitude thing is some great supporting evidence in an argument

[@liatoutai6969]

Yeah I would be Graham to. I watched him for a while now and he is so kick ass and so packed with knowledge. Preach on brother.

[@dumbface1047]

Pretty dope

[@HaleeHuckleberry]

This is NOT an accurate description at all on what archaeologists think about sea-faring cultures. I just learned all about this in an archaeological methods class. I do not know what this guy is talking about (sure sounds confident for someone that is wrong), but archaeologists know that people had to build boats in order to reach Australia about 50,000 years ago.

[@shadowsamurai6846]

That's a very careless statement, to say that archeology isn't a science.

[@hohaia01]

Yes, but I get his point.

[@mrjesuschrist2u]

If you listen closely he doubles down and say all sciences (area of science?) suffer from the reason he doesnt think its a science.

[@xXBobbyXx86]

I have a theory what they were for. Graham talks about how Osiris may have travelled across the Atlantic offering knowledge to improve civilization on both land sides of the Atlantic. What if civilizations where helping other civilizations build large megalithic structures by providing ports ready to transfer building material? What if those stone slabs aren’t roads, but building blocks that were laid out and leveled for easier pick on to the transport ships? The flood came and the civilization that ordered the Bimini stone slabs never came. Or the stone slabs were ordered from somewhere else and where being laid out to build something big like in Malta in the Bahamas.

[@sabithasajan5564]

Osiris? thr Egyptian god of death and life??

[@danielcarver7971]

Archaeology is an art walking about in the garb of science.

[@ajsuflena156]

:( i wanna study archeology and anthropology

[@Tacsmoker]

go for it, its a fantastic worthy career choice, and very interesting

[@zoeh9089]

This guy is a pseudoscientist. He is not an archaeologist or anthropologist, or even an academic. i am an archaeologist and this is not what it is like.

[@yellowhoodie5299]

@@zoeh9089 insecure?

[@kilrain_dev]

Very valid argument.

[@jonnysith]

this guy really should get his hands dirty and go out into the field.

[@tobiasrecalde]

TELL 'EM GRAHAM

[@cantmakethisup36]

The questions Hancock asks shows he’s just blowing smoke about fields of study that he has no understanding of.

[@earthsteward70]

Fuck do you mean? Don't make statements with no grounding.

[@kevinzhu6417]

@@earthsteward70 i dont have an issue with him not having a phd but his work is not peer reviewed and the claims he makes seem like logical stretches. just my opinion though

[@hex_metal_barbie4]

@@kevinzhu6417 I dunno man, he has had debates with said science officials in the past and they said he was a crazy and then something happens 20 to 30 years later and they come out and say stuff that supports his original claims. Of course it was their idea and not his at the time.

[@vexling111]

Obviously he's opposed to archaeologists who sees him as a charlatan. Same as is Däniken.

[@1lobster]

This is some book of Mormon stuff.

[@mrsialeipata8615]

Bro I might need to head back to church real quick

[@thomasbeck9075]

Although I don't agree with him on everything I love listening to Graham Hancock

[@lowlowseesee]

I love that hancock is fighting the dogma in science. we have all these methods and procedures to keep this shit from not happening but humans will be humans and even scientists are fighting new data which of course is utterly unscientific. dude reminds me of R. Dawkins haahah

[@PrehistoricMeatEater]

I agree that 'theory" has eroded the scientific method in archaeology. But the theorists are a small part of archaeology, and arch-sci is another small part of it. I would recommend not flinging out false info, however (such as Tahiti being the nearest island to Rapa Nui). I can see how Mr. Hancock is looking for a generalised approach in order to attract audiences. But it needs to be accompanied by facts rather than the "hard to explain" conjectures of Hancock as well as the social theorists.

[@Daniel_B79]

Graham"everyone else is wrong" Hancock

[@lukedonlan3515]

Daniel B I’m assuming you’ve read none of his books and know basically nothing this field!

[@JustIn-op6oy]

Experimental archaeology is more of a science than archaeology in general.

[@isaacshea7167]

Graham Hancock is the Three-Eyed Raven. Put him in a isolation tank and he'll track down Drogon...

[@danielmorgan104dm]

i agree with some aspects if this but many aspects of Archaeology today is a Science ( Ancient DNA, Stable Isotope analysis, Lipid analysis, Dendrochronology etc...)

[@oopserv316]

Joe 'COME ON!' Rogan

[@OneSolitaryMan]

Got to get to Tahiti

[@NeoN-PeoN]

But what would these ancient maps be drawn on?