GRAND FINAL: KNEE vs JDCR | Red Bull Golden Letters 2023

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The second iteration of Red Bull Golden Letters started off with over 100 hopeful qualifiers and 8 invited professionals. After many matches and multiple hours of high-level Tekken 7, we were left with two Korean legends of the game: Knee & JDCR. Watch these two titans’ final clash on the centre stage at the Red Bull Gaming Sphere London.
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[@davinthewriter]

JDCR, despite losing in the Grand Finals, carried this whole tournament! When all of the other legends were getting eliminated (Chikurin, Anakin, AyoRichie, Super Akouma, K-Wiss), JDCR took down the players who took down those titans. For example, when HK Jr beat Joka and Knee (in the same tournament,. which is insane!) JDCR was the one to send HK Jr. to losers. And in Losers Finals, Knee got his revenge against HK Jr. with the Feng pick. The highlight of this tournament is 100% JDCR. He stayed solid the entire time. Yes, Knee and JDCR have a long history and by now, Knee knows JDCR's strategies so it was a no-brainer who would win. But JDCR is the highlight of this tournament. A true Tekken Legend. (We all know Knee is the GOAT, but I have to point out that JDCR took the candle on this one.)

[@Mackpayn]

JDCR is too honest and gigachad for this game. I would really like to see him use more OP characters like Feng, Zafina etc.

[@sovz007]

Fact

[@youmakemecringe1534]

He used Feng versus Knee's Steve last tournament and lost so...

[@G-R-IE-IE-D]

JDCR literally uses Feng in tournament and still lost to Knee. It seems like people just can’t give credit where it’s due.

[@StopToBreathe]

@@G-R-IE-IE-D jdcr doesn’t main Feng, he “uses” him and look how far it’s gotten him. If you main a character you bring out its full potential, you don’t just pick that character and sweep the whole tourney, that would be ignorant

[@ojsojs6004]

​@@youmakemecringe1534 Unlike Knee who has been playing Feng for many years, jdcr does not have much experience using Feng at tournaments. JDCR AK has beaten Knee's Steve, Bryan,AK,Zafina,Lidia and DVJ. It's just that Feng and Geese are giving JDCR AK a hard time.

[@Andriewidjaja]

Jdcr failed to close out so many rounds whenever he had the advantage. A little bit too passive on the later end of the round

[@zackfair1868]

are you serious now it seems you are not in the pro level to understand how toxic and unfair feng moves compare to jdcr honest character.

[@BK-ff7or]

​​@@zackfair1868 In the previous tournament Jdcr feng lost 0-3 to knee steve..

[@Andriewidjaja]

​@@zackfair1868 lol, no need to bash on people's knowledge lvl i know how much toxic feng can get even though im only an emperor rank, but you can feel JDCR doubting himself whenever he and knee both has low hp bar . that moment of hesitation can be exploited by knee's feng quite consistently and whenever Feng start the pressure it's hard to comeback. example the 18:10 section is when the momentum shift even at 19:36 when he sees a big whiff, usually JDCR will punish it hard (sometimes with dark uppercut) but he just stands around

[@Andriewidjaja]

dont get me wrong, i also wanted JD to win this but his performance here is not as sharp as usual

[@heihachichichan8910]

JD now slowly turns into all-time youtube comedian than a professional gamer

[@ttv_damo_tk872]

Always can see how personal it is between these two when they face off ! Pure rivalry at its best

[@mmanhb552]

해외대회 결승서 무잡전을 보게된게 몇년만인지...무멘 잡다 둘다 수고했어

[@lazyapollo3502]

Still Proud of JDCR Men Best Player (For Me)

[@brazilianguy1000]

For me too. He is my all time favorite player. But sometimes he is much passive!

[@davinthewriter]

Exactly, he carried this entire tournament when the rest of the titans were falling!

[@advancedmonkey7702]

Everyone's gangster until Knee shows up dressed like a locomotive conductor. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ST-pq4dx]

Dude jdcr, your are incredible player. You gotta pick other characters in the game especially when every other player is picking OP characters and spamming the shit out of them. All the best

[@tenzinsherpa776]

If arslan can beat knee with kazumi i think jdcr can too, but he needs to be able to switch his playstyle in between rounds like arslan he can switch from agressive to passive too quick.

[@calebfulton4207]

@@tenzinsherpa776idk didn’t arslan beat knee 3 years ago with Kasumi when she was still good?

[@tenzinsherpa776]

@@calebfulton4207 bruh I'm talking about twt that happened this year and he went 6 rounds straight against knee's feng and kazumi is nerfed to the ground.

[@ST-pq4dx]

@Tenzin Sherpa yeah the same arslan now plays kuni and zafina, the most annoying characters in the game spamming. Giving the same advice to jdcr to pick other characters as every other pro player these days

[@tenzinsherpa776]

@@ST-pq4dx bruh arslan didn't even used his kuni against knee and zafina lost to knee's feng so character don't matter in top level tekken.

[@ucheucheuche]

Imagine this match in Tekken 8. All those neutral blocks become chip damage!!

[@hambone8939]

One of the most brutal beatdowns I've ever seen

[@seanfreeman4514]

The Koreans playing professional tekken like it’s professional chess. That’s 100 percent accurate, I honestly never thought of that analogy

[@G-R-IE-IE-D]

I’m a fan of both these cats and even I didn’t want this to go this way. This was hard to watch at some points. Even so all of you that are saying Knee won solely because of Feng you haven’t been watching their recent matches against each other.

[@ojsojs6004]

Jdcr AK has beaten Knee's Steve, Bryan, AK Zafina, Lidia and DVJ. It's just that Knee's Feng and Geese are giving his AK a hard time.

[@nimbleclouds1863]

I get that they're playing on a higher level than literally everyone at the scene or in this comment section. But JDCR played like a turtle in the shell against a man with a hammer there, that was hard to watch.

[@macthienthien5394]

You cant press anything against feng man, b1 counter hit to shoulder for 50 plus damage (12 frame ch safe on-block), feng's punch parry can start a combo, db3+d2 insane lows unsee-able, fast, dealt good damage. And his mids is insane too, df 1+2 plus frame on block???? Dealt good damage, good df 1 ,df4. Insane wall combo without any execution, low risk yet really high reward character.

[@zackfair1868]

feng frames are very fast any wrong input and you fail to win the exchange of blows can lead to counter hit launcher with feng you cant do trigger spam button happy to it. so then again pro level is different on green rank levels.

[@BK-ff7or]

​@@macthienthien5394 In the previous tournament Jdcr feng lost 3-0 to knee steve..

[@ojsojs6004]

@@BK-ff7or Steve is a good counterpick against Feng. JDCR AK has beaten Knee's Steve, DVJ, Bryan, Zafina and Lidia. At TK7 his AK has not lost to his Steve . It is just his Geese and Feng is giving JDCR AK a hard time.

[@macthienthien5394]

@@BK-ff7or off-day for jdcr i think but at least steve have the evasion and some of the best counter hit moves in the game to fight back plus the best jab poke with flicker stance, ye feng punch counter could be a pain in the ass but they are pros so they know how to play around it.

[@rahkealtuhua1958]

Good to have you back Knee. Captain 5v1

[@aluurchin2]

Knee vs JDCR? What year is this

[@kevinsyz1201]

Seeing JDCR just getting poked down is so sad but amazing to watch

[@runyapocketsmyG]

I swear JDCR is Knee son and they doing the Tekken lore fight every tournament

[@jiiiigsaw]

Knee can press all the buttons he wants , jdcr is to damn passiv.

[@takhetabyo871]

This is not rivalry..this is pure one side humiliation...

[@tenzinsherpa776]

Bruh knee is on whole different level now i think only player close to knee is arslan.

[@ojsojs6004]

A whole different level but can't even make the top 8 at TWT finals? Not only Arslan. Atif Butt dominated Knee in their FT5 with various characters. Atif Butt is better than Knee. There are Pakistani players who can wreck Knee. Dawood wrecked Knee at TGU. There are other Pakistani players who can wreck Knee if given the chance.

[@gamevirus01]

@@ojsojs6004 yeah alright relax better than knee lmao, settle down buddy, one bad tourny run dont mean shit, JCDR isn't even top 5 in the WT leaderboard in korea, he won't even stand a chance against pakistani according to your argument

[@ojsojs6004]

@@gamevirus01 Atif right now is better.Atif is the world champion and dominated Knee in their FT5. Knee is not on a whole different level. Can't even reach the top 8 of the most important tournament of the year which is twt finals. Got dominated by Atif Butt. Lost to Arslan at TWT finals. Got wrecked the Dawood. Knee is getting wrecked by Pakistan players Yes jdcr mostly will be wrecked by top Pakistani players.

[@juni4505]

@@ojsojs6004 Nah but Knee won Evo...thats the real throne right there.

[@ojsojs6004]

@@juni4505 lol. Only delusional fanboy will say that. The real throne is being the world champion by winning the twt finals. Also twt finals champion will have 50k USD

[@l14m16]

That was the longest 6-0 grand finals I think I’ve ever seen

[@kevinsyz1201]

It was really hard to watch one of the best tekken players who plays legacy charcters get destroyed by Feng pokes

[@Ishmeetsinghis]

Both are damn good players period. I feel sad for JDCR. His Dragunov game is good but dragunov’s pokes are nerfed. Specifically D2. Jdcr’s Fahk gameplay is super good. He should use OP characters like Fahk.

[@appieLol]

Jdcr is just too loyal. He too realises they nerfed Dragunov too much but man is just too connected to him lol

[@MadeInheaven-dm9vb]

Anyone know why they didnt follow each other on twitter? I mean most of the top korean players are following each other on twitter except these two

[@StopToBreathe]

How can people sit on their cheeto dusted fingers and constantly whine about jdcr being a worst player? Feng is sitting on top of the tier list proclaimed by numerous pros important mention being Knee himself. Feng's defense is way too strong and the pressure that comes with facing a character like him in the hands of Knee will cause players to not take risks quite as often. It's not illegal to dislike the match that took place here because there was simply no hype, no build up, no aggressiveness from both players, just a one sided poking match. As an avid spectator of Tekken 7 for years now, this wasn't good ass tekken, it was okay at best but so boring at times to watch. Also no dumb ass replies like "JDCR Feng vs Knee Steve" because you can't compare due to character mastery. Nobody can pick up an OP character and dominate without making them their main.

[@G-R-IE-IE-D]

Nobody is really upset at JDCR for not being better. The reality is that Knee has been beating JDCR before even picking Feng. The only reason there’s this back and forth is because people are acting like Knee is only winning “because” of Feng. When Knee beat JDCR Fahkumram with Bryan none of this energy was there.

[@StopToBreathe]

@@G-R-IE-IE-D fahkumram and bryan are both hype and high risk characters and fahk was nerfed when that match too place, meanwhile Feng is low risk high reward all the way, meaning for a long time spectator, all you see is a one way pummeling due to the overwhelming advantages Feng possesses. People comment in other videos with Knee using Feng vsing other players shared the same sentiment it’s not exclusive to jdcr.

[@tenzinsherpa776]

@@StopToBreathe bruh in top level tekken character don't matter look at twt where knee lost to arslan kazumi with feng so your point is invalid. It's not online rank play where people spam.

[@StopToBreathe]

@@tenzinsherpa776 does your opinion even hold true when top level tekken players themselves acknowledge that characters do matter in pro play?

[@gamevirus01]

@@StopToBreathe then by your logic, knee should win every tourny with Feng which obviously isn't the case. And imagine using "not a main character" as an excuse for being worse. Knee "mains" most characters which is exactly why he is better than 99% of players. Noone is stopping the other players from practising other characters apart from their usual main.

[@nines_1559]

와 무잡전 근데 왤케 압도적이지ㄷㄷ

[@mshklh2099]

Drag having no meds (no ch no real) Killing JDCR

[@juniorsquallthegangofsprak7015]

Atleast JDCR is not a meta-slave just to win lol

[@BK-ff7or]

In the previous tournament Jdcr feng lost 3-0 to knee steve..

[@AmeerMaybe]

@@BK-ff7or send the video

[@ojsojs6004]

​@@BK-ff7or ​JDCR AK has beaten Knee's Steve, DVJ, Bryan, Zafina and Lidia. At TK7 his AK has not lost to Knee's Steve . It is just his Geese and Feng is giving JDCR AK a hard time.

[@TheMidian46]

@@ojsojs6004 if jdcr cannot win with feng that means that feng is worse than ak and dragunov

[@ojsojs6004]

@@TheMidian46 lol. Knee mentioned that Feng is the best character in the game. Many players also put Feng at S tier

[@STANIS-LA-ROCHELLE]

Best players of all time

[@RealWeak]

Arslan Ash

[@KPOPCoverDanceFan]

​​@@RealWeak E-Sports God = Korean

[@TheJustinHit]

I'm here for the BPM. Where they at?

[@nocode61]

Feng needs to be tuned down a bit. I do not mind seeing either player wins (I like them both) but I would like to see some display of skill varieties. The final was a bit too boring to watch.

[@tenzinsherpa776]

Bruh if arslan can beat feng with kazumi than jdcr got no excuses cuz knee has 3-0 jdcr with his Steve.

[@ultimatelyslow]

Commentator hit that Lidia Standing 3:2 at 19:40

[@mrjuan234]

What monitors are they using

[@fitsonfly1559]

Who is the goat between jdcr and knee. I haven’t seen jdcr beat knee for the past few years now.

[@user-yb5ql8hq8o]

해외 대회에서 한국 사람들끼리 결승전 대결이라 감회가 새로웠습니다. 👍

[@the-wew-guy9357]

Feng is god tier

[@H_H_H_H_H]

이거 우승상금이 얼마였나요?

[@valkenhaynr.hellsing5201]

For those who don't know, Knee is using that b+4 to track steps 😉 ...

[@jesrelleguianan9078]

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[@georgej9366]

love these two, wish they were friends or training buddies

[@user-un9mz5zt1i]

? They're friends

[@henriquecampos4120]

Actually, they hate each other!

[@user-un9mz5zt1i]

@@henriquecampos4120 no they don't, not after they made amend in 2017. And even before that their relationship wasn't so bad as you say they were.

[@henriquecampos4120]

@@user-un9mz5zt1i That's what they say publicly! You don't make amends with people you like, you just enjoy each other's company again. I can't guarantee this... But they probably still hate each other. And that's fine! There are lots of people I hate too! Aris hates Tasty Steve's need for sound and crunch vegetables (actually Aris hates everything), TMM hates big rosters, Harada hates askers, Murray hates Tekken fans and Farzeen hates Lucky Chloe. C'mon! We're talking about two guys that wouldn't even look at each other's face when competing. No handshake, no GG's, no nothing! Yeah, they can't stand each other! I love it!

[@user-un9mz5zt1i]

@@henriquecampos4120 do you even watch either one of their streaming? Because I do, and let me tell you that they did fully make up with each other. It's Kkokoma that Knee hates

[@SeniorHola]

People trippin Knee deserves the win tekken 7 got good characters but you gotta be really good with them to win a tourney

[@KrizbyYT]

6-0

[@olasumboope4928]

jdcr too conscious. just too conscious.

[@RazaPlaysGames]

Where's Arslan who kicked KNEE butt?

[@zackfair1868]

my god knee using feng is so toxic and unfair its like a fight between corrupt politican and an honest normal working citizen class with a shift from 8 to 5 but both of them must earn same salary if they wish their lives to be saved. i would be extra salty if i am on jdcr situation.. but that is tekken they keep on nerfing and buffing characters no consistency.

[@zackfair1868]

@@BK-ff7or because steve has a lot of tools also that leads to counter hit launcher and of course its knee other than he like to counter pick characters he is knee unless it is pakistani it will be hard pressed to win any pro korean against knee.

[@Viitoldie1]

@@BK-ff7orLink? I genuinely can’t find that anywhere. Never saw JDCR playing Feng before.

[@Metabyte149]

@@zackfair1868 but if steve presses anything he gets potentially launched by feng 1+2

[@sbilly17]

@@zackfair1868 Knee's Steve lost to Atif's Feng 5-0 in ft5. Steve is not the reason Knee won at all, Knee is just better than JDCR in defensive playstyle. Even JDCR's OP Fahk in before the patch lose to Knee Bryan badly. It doesn't matter what character JDCR pick, Knee just don't lose against Korean defensive playstyle.

[@ojsojs6004]

@@sbilly17 JDCR AK has beaten Knee's Steve, DVJ, Bryan, Zafina and Lidia. At TK7 his AK has not lost to his Steve . It is just his Geese and Feng is giving JDCR AK a hard time. Atif has been playing Feng for years.

[@wesson120894]

Y’all remember when JCDR was unbeatable 😔

[@ViperDivinity]

Everyone was so bored when a Jack or DVJ vs Drag happened. Those are good times.

[@kambinn2273]

Another based Feng W. feng delete when?

[@TheMidian46]

scrupman drone sheesh

[@tenzinsherpa776]

Bruh this is top level tekken, character don't matter much cuz arslan went 6 rounds straight against knee feng so don't make excuses for jdcr loss.

[@jamesjgriffin7972]

Epic

[@muxvines9533]

I've never ever seen a useless match like this... I mean JDCR was just like a child to Knee

[@LeandroParedes5599]

JDCR juega demasiado bien con Heiache ... Pero lo uso demasiado tarde .... Por Gil arrugó ...

[@harrislawrence5250]

When the best players do their best performance like at the UFC ranking match, it becomes a boring game for beginners to watch. When the top tier player(JDCR) loses without doing nothing that's because the opponent did way better.

[@markjestonigarcia2003]

i bet KNEE $999 trillion

[@abdullahahmad4169]

i dont knw y he play dragonav when he never won any tornamant wht tha character. it always bring him down sets where he cant recover and won tornamant he should pay with other potential characters

[@333solid]

This is really sad to watch

[@TheMidian46]

why though? better player won

[@ST-pq4dx]

Better player won. Honest player lost

[@CP12XII]

Why... Lord Knee... Why...

[@terry2572]

시훼를 왜저렇게 함??

[@gianfugo5973]

so boring to watch

[@MJfp6lx]

They should've invited Arslan Ash 😂.

[@guvnoir23]

Proposed Feng Nerfs: Ws1: -3 on block Db3: -1 on normal hit, CH no change B4: less tracking D2: CH property changed to toe stun B1: slow recovery on block for both players Uf2: less evasive, no CH property That’s all. Take away the oppressive and unfair BS but keep him strong.

[@CobraKaiLidia]

These tools have been the same since T5, all these tools were the same during s1, S2, S3... Feng identity is superb neutral They just should revert S4 buffs

[@sheeneemee]

Lmao a 14 damage low that's -15 on block should be -1 on hit?

[@CobraKaiLidia]

@@sheeneemee that's almost Lidia's DB2.. -14 on block, 14 or 15 damage, minus on hit

[@SIGMAGaming-qh3zd]

Why cant knee beat arslan ash live this.Even with feng

[@user-AISU03]

お互いガードが硬すぎるが故に小技しか振ってないの草

[@julesbanos1654]

THAT WAS THE WORST GRAND FINALS EVER

[@robertbrazas9287]

Best in the world but the most boring to watch.

[@gbadebooyelakin2546]

Knee and JDCR are 2 of the most boring Tekken players ever. Watching them play is only ever interesting when they are playing against an interesting player. Watching them play against each other is the height of snow fest.

[@jesrelleguianan9078]

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