Grand Final: TheViper vs Hera - Red Bull Wololo: El Reinado

[@ar1sm70]

Thank you very much RB for hosting this event at such an awesome venue!! Small technical hiccups aside, it's been great entertainment! Congrats to the winner, well deserved!!

[@eodo14051]

small? 11! though we do need to be so grateful for redbull, and i hope they'll keep em coming!

[@ar1sm70]

@@eodo14051 Ok maybe not so small 11 But even so, I really hope they make another event!

[@SirPraiseSun]

redbull is still poison they should invest in something that is helpful to people.

[@redbullgaming]

❤

[@Kronder]

I enjoy every redbull tournament as they are always high quality but this one took the cake. Such an epic event. I also would like to thank Redbull for their epic tournaments where in this day and age where mass producing low quality product and shoving it down in consumers throat is the meta they keep delivering most refined content. Keep up the good work!

[@superjarri]

I think it has been the best tournament so far. The location was incredible, the crowd was super engagged and cheerful all the time, the games were also great. It felt more authentic and familiar than the previous ones, which fits this community so well. Great chemistry between the players, casters and presenters too. You can tell they enjoy being there and not just for the business.

[@bluerojo1]

Great tourney but the unit stack glitch imo should be banned in tournaments. match 3 where paladins destroyed the halbs.

[@YouAreJustaNumba]

was there beer?

[@izdiaja]

2:29:35 hera distracting the castle fire while the massive fight is happening is insane

[@nicholasbelgrad1193]

wow fr nuts

[@zomertijd7912]

What an eye you have! Amazing

[@Chungabunga]

Damn thats sick!!!

[@hiphopsisko]

Using a bug in the Redbull final!

[@muatring]

@@hiphopsisko cry more

[@AnthonyAvon]

As a casual player, I really appreciate the 2 games decided by the barracks infantry and walls. I feel like I don't see that often. GG WP to all, this was amazing to watch!

[@AeronBrusen]

(DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE GAME. SPOILER ALERT!) Despite the score which is absolute dominance by Hera, the actual games were actually crazy. How do i put this. Viper almost win in two or three games, but somehow, Hera turned the table magically. My favorite match was the second game. Absolute banger, Very, very, very, excited and interesting game. The epitome of the words, "comeback is real."

[@cfban]

The second game was incredible, but the long technical break totally ruined it. It killed The Viper's momentum and gave Hera a long time to think about a strategy. I understand that it was not Hera's fault that the game went down. But honestly with such a long pause the refs should have ended the game and given the win to the highest score. It would suck either way, but that would be the closest to keeping with the spirit of RTS eSports.

[@DaveHcontrarian]

thanks for spoiling it because i wanted to look at the comments, you're important

[@abdallahriad3261]

Next time watch before reading comments. ​@@DaveHcontrarian

[@itswakkowarner]

The games were a letdown.

[@AeronBrusen]

@@cfban The genre itself is already a minority in terms of E-sport, you're right, it's the closest way to keep the competition alive.

[@wingchun2147]

DONT SPOIL THE EVENT RESULTS IN THE TITLE PLEASE

[@Slashixuz]

Lovely event apart from the unbearable technical issues. There was so much happening that we couldn't see on the stream, also the behind the scenes things. I'm glad both Viper and Hera kept and keep uploading vlogs from this tournament, loved how viper welcomed the crowD with his Spanish greetings haha, and added so many nice moments e.g. the one after Tatoh won and they all stood and chanted together, and on Hera's channel loved the table tennis game vs Daut and then saying "t90 should cast this game". Hahah, and the video where Daut Interviewed any aoe2 people he encountered on hera's channel, roasting the Magougou guy from Fox team was insane 😆 I highly recommend them, check them out

[@tobiasrenlund1643]

Thank you so much redbull for hosting such an amazing event!!

[@WonderousLogic2]

T90: "Wouldn't it be fun to be that good"? That quote is so true. You bring a sense of realism to a battlefield(game). Your witty, intuitive, and wise council has always been on point. You got me back into playing a game i had thought no one else was even interested in, let alone an active community. Thank you for all the time you have worked to keep this wonderful game alive and thriving. Dave: you are a great caster but... I get favoring a player, please at least try to balance it a bit better. That said, amazing job. Your energy and expressiveness create an exciting atmosphere. It would not have been complete without you here. You & T =great combo.

[@PierSilver]

who was dave favouring? Also, I would consider appropriate that one of the two commentators stays more super partes, while the other gives more personal opinions (everyday story in footbal/soccer casting here in Italy). Moreover, I would again assume that commentators would hope in the direction of more matches, to get more entertainment, so they would be more or less explicitely skewed towards favouring the losing side.

[@WonderousLogic2]

@PierSilver Wasn't meant to be disrespectful, I think Dave is a great caster and stated that. We have different opinions, all good.

[@whatimdoing1378]

Shouldn't put spoilers in the title and thumbnail! Amazing series, what an awesome tournament. Wish it didn't have to end. Well done to the team for making it all happen!

[@shadowsun4055]

Cmon, it's Hera, everyone knew he would win.

[@whatimdoing1378]

@@shadowsun4055 Cmon, think! It could've been Liereyy VS Hera...

[@davywang7119]

Genuinely appreciate RB for hosting the event, and I can't imagine where can be more suitable for this medieval game took place in this medieval castle on hill !

[@omarrondon7112]

Thank you so much redbull for this amazing tournament you guys are the best

[@ffgghbddfhvhdgji3818]

What a great tournament! Fantastic location, fantastic production, great job especially by Riley and Soe! Thanks everyone!

[@mikeofbosnia]

Castillo de Almodóvar del Río (Hisnu-l-mudawar; "the round castle") is a castle of Arab Muslim origin in the town of Almodóvar del Río, Province of Córdoba, Spain. Previously a Roman fort, the current structure is of Arab Umayyad origin, in the year 760. During the Middle Ages, it underwent several renovations and reconstructions. Between 1901 and 1936, it was restored by the owner Raphael Desmaissiers, 12th Count of Torravala, under the technical direction of the architect Adolfo Fernández Casanova. The most important towers are the Cuadrada, the Redonda, and the Homenaje. It is situated 15 miles (24 km) from Córdoba, on the left bank of the Guadalquivir.[1]

[@lukastux3024]

Wow this is fantastic! Such an epic match and everything organized so perfectly, with great hosts who really know what they're talking about and an infectuous athmosphere in the playing hall. Thanks for sponsoring AoE2!

[@alexanderclaes6473]

This was such an epic tournament. Thank you so much for hosting it!

[@ObiwanNekody]

I love how Hera called out and gave credit to the person who taught him the patrol micro.

[@gammelfleisch6049]

Patrol micro? Patrol exploit you meant to say. Even calling out the guy who taught him the exploit in his victory speech...kinda shameless if you ask me.

[@ddljunkygames7654]

Call it however you like. It was allowed. Why not use all the mechanics that the game offers you? The devs should probably fix it though ​@@gammelfleisch6049

[@eRic-hr3yl]

@@gammelfleisch6049The trick was explicitly considered legal by the rules of the tournament, literally every pro knew about it, it has been there for years and even Viper said it in the tweet he had to make bc ignorant internet swines like you were trashing on Hera unfairly

[@Chungabunga]

@@gammelfleisch6049 Keep crying 😂

[@P4nem___Et___C1rcenses]

Would have been cool if you included the walk-in of the two players before the game footage starts. I had goosebumps with the music and the setting, was so epic!

[@LegendaryBoneThugs]

Thank You @REDBULL you're amazing for hosting AOE game tournaments!! Maybe next year we can add "Age Of Empires Online 'project celeste'" to the game pool, that would be epic!!!!!!

[@DPolitis]

I bought a red bull today after a long time to give my gratitude to these guys for hosting! Summer Edition Juneberry is a really great taste!!!

[@SenatorAri]

Oh yes, Summer Edition is one of the best man

[@gersonanaya3366]

Gracias por esto Red BUll, ojala hayan mas eventos del age 2 en proximos años.

[@TheSchuberto]

Why would you spoil the whole tourny???

[@circleofpit]

Thank you Red Bull for the awesome event! Production quality including all the costumes and little details and also the great scenery were a joy to watch!

[@AhmedAmineHomman]

Great games, great crowd, great casting, incredible location... What a great event!

[@scottyP1672]

This event was well put together. Awesome matchups. Hera is #1 for many reasons, congrats.

[@jeremygrainger5437]

That second game was an absolute master class

[@davidlindinger2874]

The Redbull Wololo are the coolest tournaments ever! Well done! 👏👏👏

[@maelmoor]

Fantastic event, loved it! Unfortunate with technical issues, but other than that it was awesome! Beautiful setup in the castle, where every detail was considered, crowd was great and the cast was the best! Even if I cheered for Viper, there's no doubt Hera is a worthy winner, he is just a league above the others at the moment. Viper played well and should feel good in the end with his tournament!

[@BoBo-0522]

Thank you very much RED BULL

[@xHoosierDaddy85]

Glad to see Jordan still involved. I really enjoyed watching Jordan and Viper playing 2v2 in the past

[@joseluismaduenocasares3087]

Thank you so much for coming to Spain!! 🇪🇸🇪🇸 It was really amazing!! Thank you Red Bull Wololo El Reinado!!

[@Michal235]

Man I wish I was there... I'll be on the next one for sure. Thanks RB, it was an absolutely awesome event

[@danieln5312]

Thank you redbull for supporting the aoe community!!!

[@alltmisc]

Big congrats to the winner! If you read this, don’t be put down by people saying you use ”scummy” tactics. Patrol moves like this have been used a lot already, and has a fair counter, area damage, a single scorpion could have hit like 30 units. The opponent also used ”unfair” stone wall advantage. It’s what make tournaments great, secret tricks saved until when it matters the most. Honestly a perfect final between legends, both deserving of winning.

[@mormril]

I think him using what he had to do to win in the game is fine. But the devs should fix all of it. It’s completely unfair.

[@agrippa5643]

Yeah is stupid. If a unit has stats then the game is designed by those stats. You break that law, you break the game. I don't mind Hera using it, but i don't enjoy it either. A real sportsmanship player wouldn't use such glitches to win. And i don't care if it was for long time, or compare to deleting the mangonel. If the game is not intended to be played like this, then maybe it shouldn't be allowed. It feels to me like someone playing football would throw earth with the foot to their opponents. Is it really fair?

[@stysner4580]

@@mormril It's not unfair if both people can use the same tactics. If it breaks part of the gameplay you should avoid it next game. It should indeed be fixed but it's not unfair, it just makes the game worse.

[@alltmisc]

@@agrippa5643 Then I’ll compare it to doing the very same thing with ranged units. You can stack up like 30 xbows in a single tile, and all can still fire through each other, making knights completely useless. Now the secrets out and other pros can do the same thing. But yes, it would be nice to have this and all other pathfinding issues fixed. The more ugly ways we can use it the more pressure we put on the devs to do so. It’s not a glitch though. If Hera had used the Lithuanian infinite relic glitch, then yes, he should be disqualified. But this stacking thing has been known for long. It was mostly busted in the Franks-Portu game as well, which he lost. And the reason to it was that Viper basically used a map bug that favored his position. Which also was OK, we can’t go full VAR on Aoe2…

[@ColdFryan]

I'm still not sure why this stone wall is such a big thing, it's just one tile of free wall, right?

[@wrathofthelamb]

Such a crazy good event! Thank you for making this happen, Red Bull!

[@ComboMuster]

Nice setup and coverage excellent entertainment allround nice clean crowd. Beautiful event.

[@bringyourmains6608]

Thank you redbull! We love these events

[@charlesredd9619]

As a viper fan it sucks to see him get whooped but damn what a match

[@calumcarmichael2246]

We need more of these. That set up was unreal

[@donTune87]

I really appreciated the setting with the castle and imho the ladder qualification is a great idea to easy include the community. Although i can understand the pros complains. I think a ladder qualification may help to improve/fix ladder if done more regularly as it puts a spotlight on the issues such as smurfing, dropping/avoiding maps, cheating in general and helps to increase activity. Loved to hear Nili and Jordan, see heartt, Seba & others live on stage

[@jjforcebreaker]

A very fun thing to watch, thanks! Congratz, Hera.

[@landonlively4226]

What an amazing event, thank you RedBull!!

[@NoahEvans-u3s]

Great games! Enjoyed the live stream so much.

[@Joliie]

Very nice event, great players and insane matches. Thank you

[@danielfernandez1129]

Amazing Tournament well produced and very entertaining to watch. Congratulations to Hera !! Well deserved. gg wp

[@lucaprampolini4550]

Two really nice people, some great games.

[@d1d44]

Title spoiled the tournament :/

[@laukenneth6575]

yah damn it

[@couchpotatoe91]

Yeah, that sucked.

[@ddljunkygames7654]

For me too

[@Olifantenstaart]

Great event! Love the Dave & T90 casting.

[@Triggy6825]

Viper played really really well. Its hard to know where he could have done better. I don't think Viper has lost any skill. He is a champion. Hera is just so honed in on his strats, drafting and finding his win condition every single game and he sacrifices nothing for it. He still has the micro to keep up.

[@neanntv]

Hera vs The Viper is always a masterpiece to watch.

[@zaratrustamaster]

The King is a dad. Long Live the king

[@that_one_momo_guy]

Are you the prince?

[@zaratrustamaster]

LittleViper shall reign suppreme when his time comes

[@louc.6735]

I tuned in to finals today going "hm I wonder who it is" and to no one's surprise, it was Hera vs TheViper. I feel like we've been seeing a lot of them lately in final rounds-- not that I'm complaining. It's awesome to see them compete!

[@Herintruththelies]

Thanks Red Bull!

[@brockness791]

Jesus the thumbnail completely spoiled the whole tournament

[@cikif]

Just because the castle was from middle ages doesn't mean you had to have internet connection from middle ages too

[@rahuldsouza1985]

Congratulations Hera 👏👏👏

[@fsdfmsbcxx]

Hera forgot the existence of Petards in Game 3. He would break through the wall in seconds with some of them :-)

[@Afrikalıadam.59]

The only shortcoming was that the audience directed the players with their voices, especially VIPER, because many viewers came. It made it possible for the sneaky moves to be noticed at the slightest increase in volume.

[@deepasadish]

excellent event! thanks to everyone involved!

[@tahanaeem5468]

guys RB completely nailed it. This event was huge! this will bring new players to the community and boost it's growth.

[@powertester5596]

What a game! Kudos to Viper and Hera for an amazing game 🙌😊

[@why_wait]

The first game dropping in a red bull LAN pro tournament is wild. How is it even possible

[@Babs2342]

It's incredible that Viper was able to compete at such a high level after being away with his baby and not being able to commit to the grind. GGs to everyone!

[@sethv9039]

The Armenian champion build was so innovative it blindsided the Viper and t90. Nobody at the highest level except Hera knew the Armenian mainline champions were that strong. This play broke new ground and turned the tables.

[@jackf9674]

Hera going full 100HP champs in game 2 is such an awesome move. I’m a viper fanboi, but 100 HP champs is such a cool play

[@stevendonaldson1216]

Loved seeing Jordan being a commentator between games

[@JW-jd6sn]

Hera is the best atm, but using scummy tactics with the stand ground patrol for the units to stack just felt wrong and scummy. It completely stole a game from the Viper, along with the constant pauses that allowed Hera to get champions out. But hera was the overall better player

[@buddhikaw]

@@JW-jd6sn scummy? Shut up you clown. That's part of the game like everything else such as laming, micro, quick walling.

[@Astelch]

yea not sure if he intended that but overall tactically he outplayed viper. Viper was always playing catchup

[@spinyslasher6586]

Lmao pros have been using exploits like that forever. I remember back when everyone was using the mangonel trick.

[@JW-jd6sn]

@@Astelch agreed, tactically I think Hera is stronger, as Viper still uses old plays. But viper also showed he can come up with great plays, his constant harassment with small bands devouring Heras attention, avoiding the middle and making it useless by focusing on the flank. This tournament should have been much closer if not for the mentioned above, the stand ground patrol shouldn't have been allowed, it's effectively a bug in the game being used to exploit.

[@konradpyszniak976]

He would've won even without this trick but that just feel wrong abusing the bug in game. We want the Best wins but in fair play game. There should be some sort of Punish for it - not a titule, something small but something. Mangonel bug was known, just devs couldnt fix it, here i think its totally new stuff

[@Broken_robot1986]

Love Vipers glasses pull down in the thumb nail, but i guess it wasn't enough

[@Walgriff]

Thank you Red Bull for the tournament and congrats to Hera!! But please get a back-up internet option or something so those long pauses aren't necessary, ahah - game 2 was maybe the best but there was a long pause in the middle. :-/ (Long pauses due to internet issues might give an advantage to the defender because part of what the attacker might be banking on is momentum and the partial confusion of the defender due to the unexpected method of attack, etc.) Otherwise, spectacular tournament!!

[@justenjoi]

Yeah good one putting the player names in the video title and having the thumbnail of the players. I was navigating through your page to try and find the day 3 live to catchup and now the results are spoiled.

[@eucaryptus]

sick event, great job hera! fun tourney to watch

[@filip.francic]

It really wasnt that important. After all, all of them were familiar with patrol attack stance. Viper was watching phosphoru video live on stream about that. But we must admit it, even if we all love vipah, hera is just too good. Micro macro every aspect is just pure magic. If you go and watch replay hindustani berber match with crucial hera attack on viper just before imperial camels, notice castle fire at that time. Hera had time to micro one camel into castle fire missing every shot(2:29:34). That kind of situation just shows hera's domination. Congrats Hera..ggwp

[@BKP68]

the start of the games feels liketheyve been chopped,'can we have a better leed in please, amazing win though by HERA, top of his game.

[@dominikfischer1456]

Amazing Job Hera!

[@YT_Cengo]

You welcome Hera ty for the shot out :)

[@pierg5257]

Best Tournament Ever !!! 😍😍😍

[@funakfunak2740]

Why do they keep skipping gameplay? Pause at 7 minutes and back into the game at 10 minutes?

[@Kuckii.]

GG!! Thanks Red Bull

[@nicholaswhitfield9341]

I wonder how many years it'll be before someone besides Hera wins another S-tier tournament.

[@cfban]

Probably not as long as you think.

[@xyzgunsan9815]

6 month nonstop playing everyday bro

[@SenatorAri]

Well a few years ago it was Viper who would win everything.

[@flip7518]

Hera could become the best of all time if he isn't already. But the greatest of all time I don't think so. You could even feel it within the crowd. As a person, he just isn't Viper's level and will hardly ever get there. He just isn't the gentleman guy as Viper. This of course depends on personal terms and opinions, but for me being a goat means being humble and respectful to everyone which Hera is not always (outpost rushing, beef with MbL,...). But he brought AoE to an incredible level and deserves huge respect in an e-sports perspective. Was a great tournament! :)

[@ninggengjapchae]

As korean IMO GOAT is iamgrunt. Though he retired over 10 years ago, his performance was invincible at that time. If he had used english fluently, he could have replaced viper or hera position.

[@angrysammo]

Yeah this isn’t discussed but I think is on a lot of people’s minds. I’ve no doubt Hera will win more games and tournaments than TheViper eventually. But TheViper has comradeship with his three best buddies, daut tatoh and Jordan. He invented the “mastapizza” where he just has fun in games. He trolls people and it’s fun. TheViper’s goal was never to be the best, it was to enjoy himself and make it enjoyable for those around him. He makes memes like “WHERE’s MY TEAM?!” That’s what makes him the GOAT and I don’t think his GOAT status will never be revoked. But as you said, Hera has taken the game to another level and deserves his place as the best player. Would love to see peak viper vs. peak Hera.

[@hrotha]

I reckon it's mostly just a generational thing. The people in the audience are older fans for the most part, they probably watched the Viper in his prime and for many that was probably their introduction to the pro scene. Younger people getting into the game in the last couple years will see Hera's domination without the historical baggage and they'll think of him as the goat. It's only natural

[@filipstanczyk729]

I don't think being the greatest requires that. I would also never say that Hera lacks any sportsmanship. He is the best actually. However he and theViper have little to zero Aura in comparison to Tatoh and Daut as I seen on the event

[@bassegoder]

​@@filipstanczyk729Viper zero aura??????😂😂😂😂 I even felt bad for Lierey and Hera because how much Vipi was cheared.

[@zeit6614]

The baton has officially been passed

[@BedrockBlocker]

That Champion spam was crazy. Viper just had to sit there and watch them overwhelm him.

[@raresdragan4610]

GG Hera, definitely best player at this moment

[@daniyarnugmanov1157]

I am so proud of you Hera. You deserved it!

[@ginihp5427]

With T90 its so much fun. VERY Good Play from both the Players ❤

[@maRTi_fps]

love this scene

[@TheCrimsonSky7]

not surprised, hera is insanely good, been watching his games for years

[@ryanforgo3500]

3rd game, lets be real, if hera made like 5-8 petards he'd be in :p everyone forgets the petards.

[@jaredsalloum745]

Can someone explain what was so special about Viper's stone wall that went through some stone on the map? It looked to me like he was just saving 5-10 stone, but they were talking like he had found a new strat? Does that map not allow walls and this was a bug or something? Very confused

[@interapeter1724]

This has been an excellent aoe2 event! The only thing that was negative to my experience was T90 having to comment the final. Dave is the best!

[@bladebala]

qual o tamanho desses monitores, alguem sabe informar? qual o tamanho ideal para se jogar em casa?

[@TheGary012]

Is t90 casting the redbull event?😅🧐🧐🤘❤

[@AndrewBackhouse1]

Dominant performance by Hera. Fantastic tournament

[@zaptosmedia4707]

Did we watch the same tournament?

[@TheGame_123]

@@zaptosmedia4707 5:1 is dominant

[@teamlulquit]

​@@zaptosmedia4707 he probably just watched the score lmao. Despise losing, Viper gave Hera insane pressure in certain moments, especially during game 2. None of Hera's score is easy.

[@dergroedickewaldbar3285]

@@zaptosmedia4707 He lost like two games in the whole tournament right? So yes I think this is dominant.

[@GolDRoger7777]

Viper fanboys won’t like it lol Damn I was hoping for 5-0

[@JoeKnaggs]

Personally I thought it was scummy to use the no attack patrol, I get that it's part of the game but it's essentially a bug and not intended to be part of the game

[@maxspace24]

Hera lost that game so nothing we can do

[@buddhikaw]

Nothing stopping Viper using it as well.

[@neildutoit5177]

​@@buddhikawexcept principles

[@ar1sm70]

@@neildutoit5177 Same principles that made him abuse the Monaspa bug in order to melt Villese's Imp TC back in Warlords 2? Talk about coping... Not shading Viper for using the Monaspa bug btw, if something's in the game, players are free to use it.

[@ArchzMuratz]

you are right - it mus be fix.

[@wuxing7395]

Seeing this Castle with the surrounding vegetation I immediately think of the Mediah and Valencia castles and fortifications in Black Desert Online. :D

[@BlueFrauenglass]

Please don't put the names of the players in the finals / semis, it spoils the results of the earlier matches for anyone who comes to watch the series later.

[@gammelfleisch6049]

Congrats to Hera he played exceptionally well! I still agree that using an exploit isn't cool. Obviously it wasn't forbidden and Viper could have used it as well but some things are just a matter of pride and honor. Hera would have won regardless, since he is just an amazing player so using this exploit just tainted his victory and further established Viper as a beloved player of the community. Congrats to Hera he was the better player. Deserved victory of his as I said and the outcome would have been the same, however, him proudly pointing out the person who taught him how to use the exploit in his VICTORY SPEECH...kinda shameless if you ask me but I guess that's where opinions differ. Even so, Viper still is the GOAT without a Daut. And remeber he still performs at the very top of the scene even with a newborn at his side. Truly one of a kind. Also, thank you Redbull.

[@Foryal]

Such a domination.

[@ccczz571]

Economy of Canada🇨🇦 after this match: 📈📈

[@magino_mmt]

Can anyone tell me why the Game gets constantly paused and they dont even know what it is? Connection problems?

[@ar1sm70]

It wasn't the players pausing, it was a technical issue, but I don't think they specified exactly what it was.

[@stysner4580]

@@ar1sm70 They confirmed one as either a disconnect from the observer with a GG right after by TheViper or a full disconnect with TheViper GGing after the disconnect because the game was very much so over. The rest where all not commented on, or noted as a "player pause" without any evidence or further clarification. The stream had some issues too. Also the AoE4 gameplay looked like it was on low graphics, on top of that it lagged like crazy and there were huge compression artifacts in the stream. For how much money was spent on this you'd really expect better.