Juice it or lose it - a talk by Martin Jonasson & Petri Purho

[@shyrory]

I watch this once a year to remind myself how important polish is

[@deanvangreunen6457]

come back, its been 2 years. "..yaaay.." - juice

[@weblure]

Oh joy, I can wait for another indie remake of a classic game that just spams a shitton of assests and effects, and then repackages it and ships it off as a pay-to-win mobile game.

[@misfire8771]

I'm doing that right now haha

[@pixerhp]

@@weblure Yes, along with juice you have to actually have flair to back it up or else that accursedness is what you end up with.

[@Alixdkari]

i don't think, historically speaking, polish is a very important language

[@yupekosi413]

as soon as the eyes and smile were added i was prepared to die for the little block guy

[@HalkerVeil]

I feel like I was just given super powers.

[@EnricoUniverse]

14:45 even the real life camera began to shake, I thought everything was going to explode while the guy in orange was enjoying himself

[@googleboughtmee]

Enjoyed the bottom half of their screen very much

[@indikaWijesooriya]

Go here and get the full screen : grapefrukt.com/f/games/juicy-breakout/

[@haos4574]

@@indikaWijesooriya not showing up

[@indikaWijesooriya]

@@haos4574 You have to enable flash player permission from chrome. (click the lock icon start of url bar) Also it doesnt work in mobile in flash is not supported.

[@senorbill374]

RiP flash

[@alaslipknot]

one of the funniest and educative game talk i even seen

[@MrZzm88]

Is there a curated list for this kind of game-dev talk videos?

[@LunarBulletDev]

This is 10 years old? What an amazing talk! Just like wine it gets better with time!

[@johanrg70]

Great talk, fun to watch. But don't forget to actually make a fun game before adding THE JUICE.

[@LucyPero]

^ SO IMPORTANT

[@funkychickenwing620]

Breakout isn't fun without the juice. I'd say a lot games aren't fun with out juice. Unless it has something to do with movement (like a platformer) Think about it, a turn based game with two squares and a basic font for HP. When the squares attack each other, they just deduct the HP. Not very fun. Now think about that with the squares being animated characters with swords and armor. A stylish font over their heads for hp. When they attack each other there's blood, some screenshake, sprite flash.

[@SufferDYT]

But boring is universal.

[@Zodiacman16]

@@SufferDYT There are lots of people who think grinding in MMOs is super boring, but other people think it's relaxing and fun. Different strokes for different folks.

[@ScbSnck]

wdy mean. Brakeout is FUN, it's classic. And its so simple, it is easy to teach on.

[@risingdevelopment6635]

Pretty cool how much simple things improve the sense of personality and art in a game, it's awesome!

[@Dnobagav49]

Excellent!!! I learned more about indie game development in fifteen minutes than from most of those game dev vlogs that last for hours!!! So glad you guys uploaded this =)

[@solarpm159]

I am a DeVry University student studying Game & Simulation Programming, currently enrolled in GSP381: Graphics Programming I. This tutorial was recommended in our online class announcement. At first glance I was put off by having to sit through a 15 minute tutorial of something not of my choosing. I sat through it and never once got bored. Found it very informative and have got to give thanks and praise for uploading this. I cannot wait to play your game!

[@AbyssTheory]

+solarpm DeVry University. . .good luck getting a job, broski.

[@kaldo_kaldo]

The education will be valuable regardless. Degrees really only get you into AAA studios at the low level, doing crap work anyway. If you wanna open your own studio or work indie, then that will be more than enough.

[@sagitswag1785]

@@AbyssTheory Way to be elitist. Education only gets you in the door. Once he works some in the industry as a jr dev he will be on the same page as someone who graduated with a 4.0 from standford. Employees dont look at your university if you have work experience

[@AbyssTheory]

​@@sagitswag1785Yes, obviously work experience trumps education. However, DeVry is a for-profit university that has been consistently investigated for consistently misleading their students about their job placement rates while simultaneously charging roughly double per credit hour compared to public universities. I'm far from an education elitist. There are plenty of good alternatives to traditional schooling (and predatory businesses like DeVry) such as MOOCs in combination with strong online portfolios.

[@ComfieDev]

I remember watching this talk a long time ago, tbh it changed my life.

[@noicenoise8718]

Learning gamedev this 2021, tweening now is the thing and it's the one of the easiest way to improve game feel for beginners less artistic like me. This is video is timeless. Very awesome

[@damionmurray8244]

I wish they gave props to Robert Penner. He was one of the first(if not the first) to break down tweening into a series of easing equations. Most tweening engines out there are based on his work.

[@grapefrukt]

He's first in our list of references on Github! Sadly, there wasn't time to mention it in the talk.

[@castleblack6941]

An handful of tits is better than bigger.

[@DoubleBob]

I wish they gave props to whoever did computer graphics and invented the laptop and the one who invented beamers and particle effects and the one who designed break out and the one, who brought us the mouse and the one who made their pants... Isn't giving props far more important than delivering information?

[@JamesMcManusOnline]

That's nice that your computer can run Crysis. Can it run JUICY BREAKOUT?? :D

[@Roxfox]

This is exactly what made DX-Ball work so well way back in '96. All it really had was flair, but that flair was done so well it became an instant freeware hit. Another recent example of Breakout taken to an extreme, and done so very juicily, is Shatter... which I'm gonna have to go reinstall right now. Good talk, guys!

[@Jimmarxd]

The eyes thingie made me clap, all alone .. in my room .. yeah ..

[@boredspaghettisquid6050]

YEEEE-

[@GameRocker]

hahaha I did that too man

[@shahabdullah4265]

Same here :D

[@lolaldanee2743]

one of the best talks on game development ever held

[@Lithethos]

Strangely enough, "it lacks juice (or meat)" is used informally in different cultures denoting similar things. Being a game artist myself, I knew of the "juice", which I think saying "make a game livelier" would be a more easy to understand term, but "juice" or "meat" are, of course, somehow appropriate and understandable :) This is a wonderful, delightful, entertaining, inspirational, and a very useful talk! I did not know how quick it would be to program such stuff.

[@asboll]

PEGGLE is the perfect example of this

[@WebDesignSEOChannel]

i still find myself watching this over and over. all the rules still apply 110% great job guys!

[@musicrocks0138]

Wow, that was amazing. The best part is that it is applicable to all types of games, and not just to a certain genre.

[@himatako]

Very good talk and really great and clear example of how juicing a game can make a dull game much more interesting without making any modification to the game mechanic.

[@DoisKoh]

"Juicing" is great but evidently this *isn't* what is missing from the industry.

[@artjom5617]

true

[@ahmedsiddique9782]

true its missing its roots

[@BrodyBaddis]

Super talk. Thank you for the archives. Game Design professors writing for publications are ok, but making examples like this - for the visually geared developers - is priceless. Going to go read and watch their other references

[@carlomontoya]

Perfect example of 'a picture is worth a thousand words.' Wonderful demo of 'game juice.'

[@rosse119]

That talk was awesome!!!

[@cardsofsurvivaltheisland5094]

Wow... This video is absolutely pure gold. Thank yo so much

[@FerdinandJosephFernandez]

I can see their point, but I believe there's a point where its too much already. In Bayonetta, one of my problems were, at intense fights, for brief but still important moments, I couldn't tell anymore where enemies' attacks are coming from, because the particle effects cover the screen too much. Some people don't find that a problem though.

[@CuttingEdgeSchool]

What a brilliant talk

[@AlSweigartDotCom]

I still recommend this talk to programmers getting into coding and game dev.

[@MaisieSqueak]

Great presentation guys. Some great initial inspiration for my degree this year. Truly cannot wait to start from the ground up in the industry and contribute something great.

[@idle.observer]

Just a wonderful content for that short amount of time!

[@AlexVoxel]

This was a great presentation

[@compscistudio]

So much Juice!

[@rickloyd8208]

Who came here by Will's recommendation (Masterclass)? Awesome demo and very motivational!

[@wanghaifeng7998]

So much useful information in such a short amount of time. Thank you for this.

[@jakubsmolewski7027]

What a stunning presentation! Great work guys!

[@Chr0n3]

Keep sharing this video to my artists in 2021 Great job!

[@matthewwillox7338]

2023 and I still reference this talk

[@Quicksilvir]

Been playing Yakuza 0, the combat system in that game is all about the juice. When you use a heat attack, the visual and audio effects go up to 11.

[@smiechu47]

That's how Call of Duty games are made

[@xXDJLEE02Xx]

your picture annoys me ;( must scroll away

[@kannanblangla610]

xXDJLEE02Xx

[@DoisKoh]

This is how Shatter was made.

[@skypenguingames_6396]

That's how JUICY BREAKOUT was made

[@JustDaZack]

This is so important. Great talk!

[@yapayzeka]

wonder what are there guys doing now

[@d-landjs]

Amazing effect, sounds, etc!! It´s was amazing !

[@HoppingFun]

Thanks for posting-great talk. I want to add eyes to everything now.

[@bitmeister]

So much awesomeness in one video!

[@PeopleThatPlayGames]

That was an awesome presentation! Never thought before that such simple things could matter so much!!

[@Carlmdb]

love it! Best talk I've seen in along time most are really dull and monotone.

[@menglish83]

Excellent presentation!

[@thegeekrelief]

Great talk! Wish the camera work focused on the screen more.

[@Meowzors]

how many people in the room had a seizure at the end

[@LinkEX]

Yeah, I'd argue that was actually _too much_ juice. It got so noisy and crowded that things got uncomfortable and disorienting. This went beyond being juicy and became more of a slushy mess, imho.

[@thomsip1990]

Awesome presentation! thanks a lot for this guys.

[@c.k.worrell9671]

Really great talk. Good use of flash as a teaching platform also. Bravo!!!

[@SizzlerWA]

Superb presentation! Congrats.

[@CaptainFei-r1s]

Awesome 15 minutes spent watching this, thanks guys! Thumbs up

[@MrZzm88]

This is epic...can't believe it's 9 years ago. Is there a curated list for this kind of game-dev talk videos?

[@smuphix]

I just love this talk! :) Once a while I watch it and enjoy myself.

[@millakatariina64]

Just, wanted to give a flashing lights warning 14:29, it's a bit intense 😅 But! I loved this, very good presentation~

[@nodros1]

Wow, I wish I watched this 8 years ago.

[@RonanMcCabe]

I think a lot of this can be applied to apps too. Great stuff.

[@retsapb6319]

this should be an obligatory watch for any game developer

[@simoprdev3517]

Awsome ! I was looking for this kind of features to add

[@GegeGreenCube]

legendary video for gamedevs

[@Luis-Torres]

This was awesome to watch!

[@am_n_n]

It says in the video, they make the yScale and xScale of the paddle inversely and directly proportional (respectively) to the absolute difference between the paddle's x position and the mouse's x position.

[@kombosabinho]

How did I miss this video

[@SkelleRok]

Color Tweening (in-betweens) Squash and stretch Sounds and music Particles (smoke, shatter, trails, etc.) Screen shake

[@thomasmolby]

What a triumph of an ending!

[@JuneTreeDraws]

I screamed with joy when they made the eyes bigger

[@AFChannelX]

Marvelous explanation! 10/10 :) .

[@juliodiaz7778]

THIS WAS AWSOME AF

[@JKH-BDK]

Wow... subtle effects are great, but combining them is much better, holy shit i want to pet that peddle.

[@NickShvelidze]

The eyes thing is wonderful

[@TheEddiePleasant]

We miss you Coe

[@joaobigfoot]

FUCKIN EPIC! best game talk I've ever seen.

[@ChrisBraithwaite]

i didn't mind not being able to see the top of the screen because i could see their shoes the whole time. /endsarcasm

[@AzuKDDK]

I love the mouth effect :) it makes the game so much more appealing :)

[@44r0n-9]

Gonna juice up all my future games

[@riotxxx]

This is fucking rad. Who needs a game. Just make juice.

[@JohnhaighS]

THIS IS THE ONE I:VEEEEEEN LOOKING FOR

[@encryptonz]

Totally agreed. I would definitely take out the screen flashing (hurts my head), but otherwise, really cool stuff.

[@jimanz1]

Awesome video

[@JohnSmithson999]

Amazing!

[@stevenogden4844]

I was about to say it was too much juice, but then he puts eyes on the paddle!

[@LarsWilms]

i=input s=smooth output v=smoothness value s+=(i-s)/v I always use it for camera movement (and also other stuff that needs to be smooth) in game maker. Sorry if it's stupid, I'm not a programmer.

[@LarsWilms]

Oh lol just realised it's actually in the video.

[@benjames2800]

i have this set up in a script in gamemaker. what do i plug in for "s"? im assuming the script takes 2 arguments i and s. i know what to input for i, but not sure about s.

[@LarsWilms]

No it takes the arguments i and v and outputs s. v is like how much you want it to ease in and out. The higher v is the more it eases.

[@morganwardfilm]

this is amazing

[@ComfieDev]

Legendary

[@ytubeanon]

growing up playing Breakout on the Atari 800, I kinda prefer the basic version, it has a classic and refined feel... the other version is like for A.D.D. toddlers it did remind me of a Unity asset called 'Feel' which seems like it was based on this talk

[@invadercivic2774]

I think I just had a transcendent experience watching them increase the size of the eyes on the paddle.

[@JGoLabs]

Very cool - thanks for sharing!

[@bluescrndotnet]

One of the best game dev talks I've seen for a while! Nice to have a term to use, too - 'Juicyness', rather than it just being an unclearly defined subset of 'Polish' Everyone making games should learn how to tween things nicely using SmoothStep or bits of a sine curve. I've seen so many game UIs with bad transitions - linear movement with no easing. And getting it right make such a difference!

[@Lvl9chao]

This helps a bunch! I'm gonna apply this to my next project :D

[@Archimagus]

The game station for a while was referring to this sort of thing as "Crunch"

[@peterschreuderr]

Very nice!

[@connorwilliams3186]

Perfect video. Is it DoTween?

[@gardrek]

"A juicy game feels alive and responds to everything, yo."

[@RavensKrag]

I don't think they seriously expect anyone to use all of these elements all at once, at that intensity. Though I do think that toned down a bit, it could be very nice. Like breakout mixed with Geometry Wars :D

[@razetime]

I remember a juicy game: GAME OF THE YEAR 420BLAZEIT

[@FlameForgedSoul]

Good stuff, but "squeeze and stretch" is in fact something you can google except it's called "squash and stretch"; one of the 12 principles of animation.