Greed is killing the gaming industry

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[@nickelbutt]

Greed is killing the entire economy, actually.

[@aporue5893]

greed is ruining literally everything people want

[@GabrielleTollerson]

facts!!

[@GabrielleTollerson]

​@@aporue5893 also facts!!

[@conika92]

The game industry will crash sooner or later. Let these greedy bastards go bankrupt.

[@VoidDweller086]

@conika92 I Beyond 100% resonate in agreement with Your statement and Your comment sir. 👋🏾 👋🏾 👋🏾 💯 👍🏾 I am 37 years old by the way, Black American male. 🙍🏾‍♂️ 🙍🏾‍♂️ 🙍🏾‍♂️

[@Helfirehydra]

And then Indy developers will have a chance to make good money Because it’s already starting a few indie games are making way more money, faster than major developers look at Pal world They made more money than they expected to simply because they made a product of people love A simple concept Pokémon with guns. That’s all it took to start the beginning of the end. Because the for the first time in history, Pokémon actually has competition Because Digimon was never competition do Pokémon, but now Paul World Makes Pokémon look bad game Simply because they haven’t been innovating and changing and making a better Newberry fun experience because that’s what Gaming is about. It’s an art form about making a better experience. And sometimes it’s about making a frustrating experience, but it should not be made for a predatory experience to trick you into spending money

[@Death_Jaw]

​@@VoidDweller086 I beyond resonate In agreement too 👋 🤍 👍 I am 23 years old By the way I'm A American White male 🤡

[@t3hsquirr3l]

Good analysis, appreciate the hopeful conclusion. The gaming industry is burning, here's hoping it clears the deadwood and thick underbrush and makes room for new life.

[@Helfirehydra]

I think the big problem about the video game industry is that it’s completely unregulated. The employees are overworked underpaid, and the CEOs are over paid. Simply because there is literally no regulation involved with the video game industry. In the fact that it’s considered a good, not a service is why they get away with it.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

Great video! - Neatly crystalised what's specifically wrong with CIG at the moment, the "AAA" games industry in general (... actually, the corporate "world", in general, which influences all this) with a great example of what used to be the music industry. -> Fantastic concluding comment, too! 🍻 - The statement at ~ 5:42 about 2010's pop "music" - couldn't agree more!! - BTW: The 1983 Video Game "crash" _was_ "a thing", but the major impact was mostly confined to the usa. The gaming market/industry in Europe and elsewhere carried on OK during that period. - At 17:07 - I see you recorded a video response from CIG support to backers (including "Coincerge") when ppl ask for Character Reset to get missing "pledged" items back!!! 🤣

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

Why can't they just fuckin be honest and have a paid subscription to play monthly or yearly like streaming services, except this time no microtransactions, pure quality and quantity, no planned obsolescence, etc. Finish the damn product, dlc's are paid through monthly subscription, etc. What the fuck.

[@HaLoFreQ2000]

I dont think rockstar deserves the praise anymore, they couldnt even properly port the old GTA trilogy, or red dead to switch. GTA online also has horrible monetization as well with shark cards.

[@aporue5893]

main gaming issues seem to be: prices: too expensive. quality: bad. release dates: too early. availability:virtually non-existant unless people pay more after already paying.🙄

[@DedLeader]

Just starting but I'm predicting the answer is capitalism and shareholder appeasing.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

I mean.. yes. 😂 but mainly greed and marketing!

[@Helfirehydra]

The only way we can stop. This greed in society is stop buying things from major. Corporations You buy local and you buy cheap And for video games instead of buying a AAA game by an indie game Because these AAA publishers are making a $20 game in charging you $70 for it

[@bitmau5]

Yo Grumpy, Mike highlighted this. I'm really proud of you man. You pulled off a production that I have been mulling around in my head for years. I dabble in production, mixing and engineering, been a drummer for 25+, dabbled in editing, played with mastering, yadda yadda; etc etc. Dude, this is your finest. I never feel like I'm good enough to do anything. Every final product I do, feel's like it sucks. It's always been a "the more you know, the more you question about yourself" kind of thing for me. Anyway... I'll leave my comment on SaltE's down below; "He nailed it, found his calling. He gets it. Clearly. This is the best production he has ever done. He had a vision and saw it through. I'm very happy for him. I've had similar ambitions for years and it's so nice to see Grumpy pull up the courage, time, and resources to make it a reality. Super proud rn." I'm over 50 and remember all of it, by the way. I owned a Coleco, my best friend had an Intellivision my other best friend had CLI access to an Atari to mod (hack) his games; (we were all neighbours in in the early 80's) btw. We all remember when Sega was just a sports gaming dev team. This was amazing to watch dude, thank you so much for the memories!

[@waterfalls4540]

And the disparity between cover art and actual gameplay was astonishing on 2600, like superman. Also new 2600 games were very expensive vs how much you could get for your cash in the 80's.

[@justalex4214]

Great video, I loved the bit about the music industry, it really shows the mentality of the money people and how they're unable to escape their way of thinking. Also I think there's no game better suited as an example to your point than diablo 4. This game is being praised by the gaming press because it's so similar to diablo 2. Imo if your game's biggest selling point is reminding players of a game they played 20 years ago, you're doing something wrong as a developer, but I guess nostalgia sells... fortunately there are tons indie and niche games that are genuinely great and most of the time only cost half as much as a AAA title which I gravitate towards more and more lately.

[@whitedragonracing]

They can waste their marketing money Grumpy, i care no F's. I shop with my feet and there are many EA, Ubisoft and more whom i will never buy from again! Blaming the devs for going for money is the wrong angle, it is on those who can't keep their money in there pocket.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

I'd suggest _you_ have the "wrong angle" on this video! It generally isn't the devs themselves "going for the money" - It is what the dev _companies_ *become* once they grow, then corporate "management" types and marketing w@nkers come in and start running the show. - We end up with "the tail wagging the dog". As with "global" corporations, it becomes very little about "the product(s)" and _all_ about reporting profit ... and "growth" _at all costs_

[@blackmamba___]

I tend to stay away from blaming consumers and telling people how to spend their money just because I don't agree with it. Just because I don't like a product, I'm not blaming others who purchase it as being the fault of the product. If you dislike the product, but refuse to stop using the product, than that is on you and not the next person. Keep the blame on the company that's making the product and less about the costumer. I never like the idea of telling another person how they should spend their money.

[@Louis13XIII]

@@blackmamba___ what a braindead take. If big corps are taking advantage of sophisticated manipulation tactics, and most consumers fall from it, it is our responsibility to help them realize how they are getting screwed over.

[@blackmamba___]

@@Louis13XIII If these were fornite kids, I would be a lot more sympathetic, but 2 weeks ago I talk to a dude who is 56 years old and he spent over 5k on his fleet. Who am I to tell another adult who is twice my senior, how to spend his money. Just like I'm not going to allow a whale to make me feel bad because the only ship I own is a starter. It's nobody else business how much I invest in the game. If the business is doing something illegal, then let the people take them to court. Just understand the only control you have is over your own actions. What the next man eat doesn't make me 💩

[@Louis13XIII]

@@blackmamba___ when more and more people do it you’ll have no choice since the industry will have no incentive in offering you any alternative. Have fun being smarter than everybody else, I guess.

[@RBFR01]

Greed, microtransactions and forced subscriptions has completely destroyed the entire gaming industry and is why so many people have just stopped playing games completely like myself. All modern games just suck and all companies want is your money and they don't give a single shit about making quality content just lazy made garbage they literally force you to pay for so I'm completely done with gaming Iv'e had enough of the corruption good luck to everyone else.

[@LilRannok]

thing is about the music industry is that piracy is back its always been there streaming services are bringing it back and Spotify makes tons of money however about the gaming industry piracy is all over the place i think modern gaming is just pure awful because its nothing but greed and lack of content

[@nikushim6665]

Its not so much "greed" but rather how publicly trade companies work. A public company is legally first and foremost beholden to its shareholders. Thus it needs to constantly grow or produce profit, once you hit a stagnation or saturation point with the given market they have to start nickel and diming every last penny than can by any means to keep that P/E to a minimum. Also doesn't help that most publicly traded companies are hyper overvalued, with most of the S&P sitting at 150% or higher.

[@Helfirehydra]

My question is all of these game, developers and people who have been there since the beginning and are still part of the video game industry and have been working since the early days How can they sit there and let their bosses shit on the player base? Because video games have been turned from passion projects that make money into predatory schemes to trick people into spending money

[@koloth5139]

I say this every time someone suggests this, the gaming industry isn't going to crash. This isn't the 80s. We don't have one major player basically running a monopoly. While the AAA industry may start to lose money, they will just course correct to where the money goes. At worst a developer or producer might go bankrupt. But there will never be something as dramatic as a crash again.

[@eartheater3956]

Great video! I love your normal stuff, and can see you have a talent for this kind of content too. Keep up the good work. We appreciate it!

[@elementalgaming59]

Could not of said it better myself. I support game development. I do not support marketing development..

[@sabatheus]

Fantastic video, and well said, all. It's a big racket.

[@aporue5893]

the problem: when people become like mr krabs ''me money!''

[@Strandbacker]

Interesting take, I appreciate the effort that went into this.

[@FulguroGeek]

Dawm, that was a bomb Video grumpy. Amazing content. Very well made. Star Shitizen, Squadron 404 and theather of where!

[@nksharp]

I don't think CIG is being greedy enough lately. Just wait until they start homestead selling back up again or selling us NPC crewmen. You can always just buy the cheapest package and just go from there to but somehow its CIGs fault when people keep buying ships despite some of the slowest development of a game to exist. Gamers themselves are more greedy then the industry.

[@Helfirehydra]

The 80s with the golden era of the music industry of making good money, but it doesn’t mean there’s not good music out there. It just means the main stream music isn’t good. Same with video games. It was great in the early 2000s. What is the golden age? And they’re still is good game so she’s not being created by AAA studios in major companies All the good games that came out in the past three ears, I’ve been released by Indy developers I’m talking about objectively good not a copy and paste crappy game I’m talking about a game where they actually created entirely new experience Because AAA games don’t do that anymore. It’s just copy and paste. What works?

[@itranscendencei7964]

I think the golden age of gaming died with the 6th generation of consoles (PS2, GC, Xbox, & DC). When the 7th gen consoles were out is when it started to feel like games started to decline. They were still mostly good, but flaws were already starting to show. Hopefully the market does crash soon. I collect retro games as well, so would love to be able to get my favorite old games without having to pay an arm and a leg while also being able to actually enjoy new games.

[@the_babbleboom]

anytime i get mad at Bohemia Interactive i look at other studios and games and i feel like any negativity i develop towards them is way out of proportion, they look like saints that honestly try

[@redthing9470]

Rockstar abandoned its single-player promises for GTA online

[@Pa1ad1no]

Now we know why we are grumpy!

[@cabbshills5732]

Look at the price of the new CoD games and cough Diablo 4. Remember in the earlier 2000's what we paid for and actually got a printed box, physical copies, and goodies in a sweet box. now we pay nearly 10x the amount for a bunch of files to download via steam etc for instant gratification. Everything these days is instant gratification and nothing is tangible. PS great video Grumpy. Muso here myself and you nailed all of this pretty darn well dude guy. AND to those underground bands putting your DIY to cassette tapes in 2023... Keeping doing it

[@cabbshills5732]

I forgot to add "what people pay for jpegs" ;) ROFL

[@Underb00t]

This why i listen to old songs of the 80s and 90s. Or i play some vinyls from my dad’s collection.

[@JentusPro]

Thank you Grumpy, this is AMAZING video and all the things you said in this video is 200% pure truth! Marketting must be forbiden in all the forms, marketting must be illegal, because marketting was invented for selling crap to people, for selling something that those people even don't need. If a person\artist\engineer\group of people\even some company, making something good, something that some people will find that they want to buy it, so those who makes the product don't need any crapy marketing, their bussiness will be good without any marketting that only sucking the money for nothing! Marketting = Only Lies!

[@takealready]

Thank you for the great video Grumpy. You're alway sthe first to bring light to the darkness, its not till years later everyone else understands what you've been saying for years.

[@Nissanocles]

Bok Bratko! Great video. I was wondering if you would mention gaijin. I've been playing WT since it pretty much came out and star citizen since 3.15-ish. I have noticed there are some unfortunate parallels between CIG and Gaijin in terms of how they treat their playerbase and community.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

I was a closed alpha tester of war thunder until they banned me for asking them to fix the bugs. I was a sim flyer, and all the bugs that were there in the closed alpha were in the game for years. Pretty sure they're still in, but I didnt play that game for years

[@Nissanocles]

@@GrumpyEyeGaming I play RB myself but yeah wouldn't be surprised. Gaijin don't handle any sort of criticism well, even if it's for the benefit of the game. Hopefully all the recent drama/community going into meltdown will improve the situation, but really it shouldn't have to take a boycott and negative publicity to enact change.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

@@Nissanocles man the issue with sim was (after the closed alpha) the "captured" planes. So you fly in a squad, and then a german p47 appears, you don't shoot him because you think he's friendly, and he takes out one of you, then continues outmaneuvering all of you because "german tech"... it was so stupid. Back in the alpha days, all the cannon rounds would just bounce off the planes. so if you had a 20-75mm cannon on your plane, the hit registry was so bad taht you would just waste ammo trying to shoot anyone down

[@Nissanocles]

@@GrumpyEyeGaming captured planes caused plenty of issues in RB as well. The hitlerbolt had a lower b.r. than the allied versions because it didn't carry ground ordinance so allied teams were just getting slaughtered when p-47 flight models were buffed and 50 cals were like death rays. But yeah, that game has had more balance and pay to win issues than I care to remember. 😂 Ground is where the pay2win O.P. vehicles really started to become obvious.

[@Diogenesoruise]

With the creation and globalization of internet markets, no matter how much you may care there will always be people out there to fall prey to scams and marketing campaigns.

[@jmbrady1]

advertising is a plague on creativity

[@toluwanisekiteri2590]

I feel like greed is ruining companies. EA, maybe 2K, and Nintendo are good examples.

[@dsptchr]

Well done, loved it and well balanced and reasoned critique

[@Nubbley]

$70 AAA titles making me grateful for star citizens $40 bugs xD

[@doctorno3912]

With p.c it's a multiplayer. On top of poorly designed games you have overpriced hardware in some scenarios and regions. With the right hardware you can sometimes bruteforce your way through poor optimisation. Cyberpunk was virtually bug free for me at launch but on my cousins rig it was pathetic until patching months later. That said shit gameplay is shit gameplay and we have a bit of that to lately. I've mainly been playing the back catalogue.

[@The-Red-Kraken]

Ya cuz then NINTENDO came in 1985 and fixed everything.

[@OriginalEarthwormJim]

This is awesome. Keep it up with these type of videos buddy. Tagging big brands gets more views of course, but quality like this can eventually shine through and become evergreen content in the end.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

Holly shit! Thanks for the 100$ man

[@joshuaknox2724]

wow you are very kind :)

[@scottlangford4759]

90s hip hop was good

[@imushavem4061]

I may be alone, but I loved Atari Raiders of the Lost Ark, but I may be one of the few kids that beat it. Pac Man and ET really sucked. Thank goodness Ms. Pac Man was a good port.

[@coldReactive]

I do agree with everything in this video, and even though I'm a person who supports Star Citizen, you nailed it right at the end of your Star citizen dunking that it does systems differently to other games like EVE, Elite, etc. and that's why we support it. It's also why I supported Eiyuden Chronicle on Kickstarter too, because Konami is greedy and doesn't want to make more good Suikoden Games. It's also why I was going to support Armed Fantasia, but I didn't have the money at the time, nor the time to do it thanks to my grandmother being hospitalized and other real life issues. (Also totally not because I decided to start pledging to Star Citizen in August of 2022. [cough cough]) But it isn't all doom and gloom. There are shining pillars of light in the dark in the form of "Gamer Developers" like Naoki Yoshida who saved Final Fantasy XIV.

[@biotechisgodzilla]

Thx for the good content! The gaming industry is in my oppinion far from a crash. Maybe because every year new kids are spending their parents money on FIFA and alike? Well i do hope that the huge companies get punished for their anti-consumer policies, i just don´t see it happening anytime soon. As for Star Citizen: it feels like a side project at times. I do not understand cig´s strategy here. But unlike the rest of the industry ppl might just stop funding, because they are mostly not kids... The current state of the project demands hard work on the codebase, but if the devs are focused on ships thats not gonna happen. So therefore new (young) players mostly wont buy in or rather refund quickly and who can blame them? Thx again and keep it up :)

[@nikonee507]

Honestly with most of the AAA games Should be called as triple Scam games

[@the_babbleboom]

nobody is as sweaty and abusive as that one mod quoted in the video, that "discussion" page they have has no promise of improving as long as that guy is still around. mods like that are *only* a symptom, but a symptom nonetheless.

[@the_babbleboom]

i got banned for "FUD" after telling a user that what they were talking about had previously gotten another user banned. when pointing out the favouritism when no action was taken, for the word to word same posts made, i got banned for "claiming favouritism". as it literally just happened. Spectrum is just for sweaty cultmembers as they get approved by a small circle of abusive power tripping mods without oversight.

[@brett9244]

Greed yes, but mostly social media is killing gaming.

[@whitedragonracing]

Steam, DLC is what killed it. Before when you had to buy a cd, the game had to be polished and finished, hell even DLC's where free, until steam and non ownership of the product i.e. a cd game you can resell!!! Now the consumer has no buying power. Not being able to resell is the main cause as every sale now is pure profit and you suggest greedy? No the consumer became idle and sided with convenience.

[@CW-uw2cb]

It's kinda like how star citizen has slowed functional releases for a decade because we are already paying for it

[@JacktheLightningRipper]

Honestly it’s still a great time to be a gamer as we’re getting loads of incredible games from both big developers and smaller indie ones alike. Honestly this is more like what’s damaging the AAA industry. It’s a shame really

[@TheCountess313]

Just the way it is

[@t888]

Amazing! Thank you!

[@tenshi.kurama]

We just need the whales to rise up against monetization

[@117mxsanchez]

Dire Straits joke was freaking great! Nice vid! Point well made

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

Most people slept on it! :)

[@Richard_Cranium]

The love of money is the root of all evil.

[@jimflagg4009]

I miss the games of the 90s. They were, "Fun" first and looks last. Everyone today is about the Eye Candy so they can market it and make the game play value last. This is probably why SC sells ships because they are eye candy you can own an something the marketing team can sell and it requires very little game play. Elevators don't work on your ship so what at least it looks good.

[@VoidDweller086]

@jimflagg4009 The Very Thing That objectively should be understood and known is That Graphics exclusively DOES NOT make a Good Video Game at all. The 4 Very Important Qualities That make a Good to Excellent Quality Video Game are Compelling Factor, Captivating Factor, Amazing Imagination and Fantastic Quality, Period Dot Dash. I am 37 years old by the way, Black American male. 🙍🏾‍♂️ 🙍🏾‍♂️ 🙍🏾‍♂️

[@Alex-de3fc]

When will it end😤

[@brya9681]

I don't agree that Rockstar has proven to make amazing games. They make the same games with the same bad combat, shit movement but supplement it by brand recognition and an open world the general public can run around in. They aren't good games, they're comfortable and appeal to the lowest common denominator. They also no longer market game because who tf doesn't know what GTA is?

[@ex0148]

Another great content creation, I haven't kept up with you channel recently because I am a victim of exactly what you describe here. After starting my gaming career with a BBC Micro model B with a game called Revs.... I'm for the first time in my life not interested in gaming! And as much as I love your SC content, I hope something really unfortunate happens to Chris Roberts and his entire empire of goons, because they are a prime example of legalised theft.

[@IT_ODIS]

Great comparison to music industry. The parallels are scary (edit) apparently patreon un subbed somehow but I’m back don’t you worry😂

[@Leptospirosi]

Well said Grumpy

[@CHAstaroth]

I watchd a documentary around the 2010. Witch shows the buisiness mens make party because the gaming market is a completly new billion dollr markt. And then i realysed… oh god no its over… 😅

[@CapnSnackbeard]

Great vid, man.

[@redrumcoke2363]

Incredible video. Amazing footage, editing, and incite.

[@BxAllMightYy]

History always repeats itself.

[@disky01]

Hey, really nice editing on this one Grumpy.

[@ultimate_pleb]

Then greed should be arrested for assault

[@patrickobrienstr]

Great content 🎉

[@CapnSnackbeard]

With AI, much smaller, much less well funded groups of humans will be able to make games without borrowing from, paying out to "publishers."

[@Infernal_Elf]

Absolutely amazing video great work. and tottaly true

[@Faytless]

Great video brocakes!

[@supah6837]

loved this video

[@sokarimedia9765]

THIS WAS FIREEEEEE!

[@citizenkane4382]

Greed is human nature.

[@shawn6306]

i disagree no it's not i think it's not natural at all to be greedy at all i think greed making things expensive is a bad thing i'm so against this but if your not against this that's fine i respect your honest opinion

[@dgyre3325]

This is oversimplified and incredibly subjective. Games you don't like that sell well are just result of sheep giving in to corporate marketing, but games you do like are the exception? And there's no creativity or quality in gaming? There's very few 'objective' measures of a good game. there's objective measures of a 'functioning' game, ie is it playable, and somewhat with a few control features and UI, but even those depend on what is intuitive to that individual player. Games follow a formula because that's what large numbers of gamers like, and using a proven formula lowers the risk for the gaming companies. We have more games than ever before. We have more incredible games than ever before. I can do things in games I would never have believed possible back in the pong and mario days. I'm not even going to tackle the insulting and, again, entirely subjective statement that its the music industry is objectively ruined. This is why I don't watch these videos, they imply an insult to anyone who doesn't see the "truth" that grumpy is revealing to us.

[@kinggrizzly13]

I believe Lex Friedman left Boston Dynamics because of Marketing putting their noses in engineering decisions. Great documentary Grumpy!!

[@ultimate_pleb]

18:31 really? Super Mario bros NES is 'the golden era of gaming' -_- have you played SMB recently it really hasn't aged well. Granted it's aged better than most nes games but that's like saying this stinky pile of shit smell slightly less bad compared to this other stinky pile of shit!

[@Deathwalker666666]

Technically speaking the golden era of gaming for me as a PC gamer started with release of Super Nintendo Entertainment System and ended in middle of Playstation 3/Xbox 360 lifecycle. Then we entered what i personally call the blank period for consoles gamers which was last years of PS3/X360 and entire lifecycle of PS4/XB1( because for PC gaming this was on techincal side the end of golden era of gaming). Now we are in the end times or dark age with the release xbox series x/s and PS5.

[@whitedragonracing]

Why would Grumpy Release an album but then also b side and a side singles? MONEY! 😆 Same argument.

[@GrumpyEyeGaming]

literally what money?

[@whitedragonracing]

@@GrumpyEyeGaming Aint my fualt your not writing music that the masses will soak up.

[@Stayler17]

What do you mean by killing the industry? Games have never been better

[@KatanaNLD]

i bet you like being nickle and dimed for everything you want in a game, games look better but are deffinatly not better for players

[@CapnSnackbeard]

@@KatanaNLD exactly. "Microtransactions," currencies, loot chests, time gates, "always online" single player restrictions, DRM software that doesn't work, and only punishes the people who play by the rules. Games have literally never been more profitable and less fun. Look at WoW. People turn to Vanilla because it was fun, challenging, and not overly convoluted. Modern WoW is a total joke. Nothing is hard to beat except at the very highest end stuff. Ad hoc groups of strangers silently run over the content while barely thinking about it. The coolest thing you can do in WoW today is to have played it 18 years ago.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

Yeah. There's a lot of garbage polluting gaming these days, but there is still a lot of good stuff out there. This year, in particular, is stacked.

[@Stayler17]

@@KatanaNLD I don't buy microtransactions. And rarely play games that have them. There is so much diversity in games now it's insane. For example, 2023 has been amazing for games.

[@dgyre3325]

@@Stayler17 exactly, there's tons of games that either don't have them or they aren't important to the game, cosmetic. I won't say gamers shouldn't be concerned about microtransactions and their trends, but its far from something you *have* to spend to get what you want. And if the people who do pay those micro transactions help fund the amazing gameplay features we get in these games that I get to play? Definitely not going to complain about it. When it affects "pay to win" I definitely agree its an issue, but I just don't see that much. Seems to be more of an MMO or strictly multiplayer problem. Sometimes gamers need to remember MMOs are not the entire universe of games.