Nintendo is Infuriating

[@ColeTheFactGuy]

I don't know who all you people are or where you came from but you need to be nice to me right now

[@eatinhoes338]

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[@rachaelrandomassname1848]

I don't get what people are saying shit about you, you're right. If we can't have access to our favourite games anymore emulators are the way to go.

[@ColeTheFactGuy]

​@@rachaelrandomassname1848If anything this has just been really fun. I just hope all of the people subbing don't expect this kind if negative video so often. It's just not the type of stuff I want to constantly put out

[@benito_bodoke14]

And the whole thing it's a never ending war, as many lawsuits Nintendo is capable off they will never fully cleanse the internet of Piracy and Emulators

[@Hyperlingualism]

@@ColeTheFactGuy Ended up here from a random youtube recommendation. KZbin must've had an update to the algorithm, because I've noticed smaller and more relevant videos in my recommended section. Came for the admittedly negative rant and the way it probably resonates with the way I've been feeling about Nintendo, but I'm sticking around because of the way you communicated it. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the content you're going to make, positive or negative. Good luck.

[@Colorado-Coyote]

If they want us to get used to not owning our games they need to get used to us not buying theirs.

[@ColeTheFactGuy]

Fuuuuck that's a good line. I wish I came up with it

[@Miracle7Seven]

Yeaaahhh booooiiii!! (Being broke is a good thing sometimes)

[@Cloak_N_Dagger]

They're fine with that, actually. They want you to rent their games for the duration of your subscription. Oh, and not the whole library. Just a rotating cast with a lesser collection of mainstays.

[@renatoramos8834]

What a load of bullshit. You act like they invaded your house and deleted your games.

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@renatoramos8834 For most companies they figuratively did do that at one point in time. Nintendo and Sega are 2 of the only Triple A Companies that hasn't done this yet

[@manzanito3652]

Obligatory "Piracy doesn't hurt Nintendo, but I wish it did."

[@Chineseisntalanguageapparently]

Obligatory? lol never heard the last part

[@spyrofreak911]

Redistribution of paid software is common but "zomfg, don't you dare do it to our video games we'll summon our lawyers!" 🙄

[@darksword0928]

If there was a company that I wish that that saying applied to Nintendo would probably be on the bottom of the list. Don't get me wrong they WOULD still be on the list but I hate most western game companies way more.

[@nobody..--.]

Nooooooooo if you pirate then they lose 60 dollars which will hurt their wallets with billions of dollars soooo much Edit:I was being sarcastic

[@gren_3352]

​@@nobody..--. They dont lose anything. Most pirates dont pirate games because they dont want to pay for the game but because they cant afford that. Nintendo wont get their 60 bucks from me even if I wkkt pirate a game. You know what is even better? Piracy is the best commercial a game can get. In countries like poland in the 80s and 90s and even now nintendo newer cared to even lay a finger to make any of their games accessible there. Everyone was having bootleg famicons and thanks for that everyone knows who mario is. I can guarntee you that without that absolutley no adult would buy a switch for themselves nowdays

[@Kneevirus]

How the hell is the 360 store from 2005 still up but the 3ds store from SIX years later is already long dead

[@TheMenaceHimself2006]

I thought the 360 arcade died?

[@Kneevirus]

@@TheMenaceHimself2006 it closes in a couple months its still up atm

[@YD_.]

Probably because 360 games are stored on the same servers as the One and Series servers because of backwards compatibility.

[@Kneevirus]

@YD_. the ps3 and vita stores are also still up miraculously HOW THE HELL IS THE VITA STORE GONNA OUTLAST THE 3DS

[@YD_.]

@@Kneevirus I don’t know enough about Sony to know whether or not they have the PS3 or Vita games available from the PS4 or 5 online store. If they do, it’s probably also the same servers. I do know that Nintendo didn’t store the 3DS/WiiU content on the same servers as the Switch, meaning that they have to pay for the two sets of servers separately. The difference is that the Switch servers are turning a profit via Switch Online and can pay for themselves while the 3DS/WiiU servers were free to use, so Nintendo had to pay for the servers through profit from other things, aka, they were offering online services at a loss. It made sense when those were the flagship consoles and everyone was buying games from the 3DS/WiiU eShops, but because most people can get whatever game pirating since the older consoles were so easy to hack and since less people have been using the 3DS and Wii U, I can understand from a financial standpoint why Nintendo opted to close their servers. It’s not like they’re making the 3DS and Wii U unusable. They’re not Ubisoft, the consoles still work.

[@WiseArkAngel]

“You wouldn’t download a car” Yes I would.

[@skabor1]

And i did, at the first opportunity.

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

I wouldn't. No place to put a 3D-printer large enough for that.

[@LowPolyPigeon]

@@MyRegardsToTheDodo step 1) buy normal sized 3d printer 2) use it to print parts to make larger 3d printer 3) repeat until large enough 4) car 5) keep repeating 6) house

[@KyrstOak]

I've never understood that. How would one "download" a car? It's not a file or any other computer program.

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

@@KyrstOak I think the original ad said "you wouldn't steal a car".

[@shinobi197]

If a company (not just Nintendo) stops selling their games in an official capacity, I think there should be a law that it now counts as abandoned and should be freely accessible for anybody that wants to use it. That way it would force these Multi-billion dollar companies to keep supporting the products that got sold.

[@Hyperlingualism]

And at least return copyright to its original length. Used to be copyright would only last a few years, now it lasts two lifetimes, mainly because of Disney's lobbying. These corporations intentionally are trying to functionally abolish the concept of public domain, just so that they can horde "intellectual property" indefinitely.

[@AntonioTheTurtle]

That would be amazing for abandonware.

[@3am246]

See I want to think this would be nice but I guarantee you they will just slap everything behind a super expensive premium tier subscription you can only get on their newest console so they can loophole their way out of it while still making money off everyone

[@shinobi197]

@@3am246 Lmao like Nintendo and its $50 tier for N64 games ?

[@3am246]

@@shinobi197 exactly, except this way it also kills the modding/romhacking scene

[@SuperTReal33]

Companies: "You wouldn't download a car would you?" Me: "fuck yeah i would, I'm not rich."

[@CDSCRATCH10]

Im actually wondering how that would work now 🤔

[@SuperTReal33]

@phinalbossbeater I'm sure if you find a good engine in a yard somewhere with good enough printer material to withstand everything, it COULD work

[@Ckoz2829]

Buy a Ferrari for $500,000 or go to Emuparadise and download one for free? The choice is simple, here.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

​@@CDSCRATCH10 I'd rather we never find out. We already got enough horrific ideas being executed out there.

[@Nefarious_Bread]

@@CDSCRATCH10 3D printers. You'd need the correct materials. As the schematics download the car prints.

[@eno88]

It's a moral obligation to pirate Adob.. I mean abandoned Nintendo games.

[@humbujgej3888]

both its okay to pirate both

[@TannerLindberg]

Don't even pirate just the abandoned ones. Any money you give Nintendo even to un related products validates this in their eyed

[@FreedomDiaries1]

To be fair in nintendo has never been a nice company. They don't care about your personal feelings people still buy their shit.

[@alanbrito141]

I stopped liking nintendo when they made their crappy online a paid service I know it seems petty, but things only got worse, so I guess I was right

[@wargamesmaster]

@@humbujgej3888 Both. Yes, both is good.

[@AddictiveSin]

I also tried to never pirate... Until Crunchyroll made it impossible to actually watch anime and KZbin decided 30 ads in a 10 minute video seems like a fair trade. Like you said, once you start, you never go back lol

[@halftimex25]

The crunchyroll one is the most frustrating. I would have issues where I'd be logged out a dozen times a night. And sometimes it would tell me I can only stream one instance of the app despite it being the only stream. I lost about 2-3 days of my subscription due to issues. But they will never ever give me the days back or anything. Any email hits a faceless drone that hates his job. They won't fix your issues because no one will fix theirs.

[@AddictiveSin]

@@halftimex25 Seriously though there was a 2 WEEK period where it the app was just down with no explanation! Then when I cancelled they continued billing me for several months until I notified my bank and they dealt with it. We can't even blame the bot for not caring

[@halftimex25]

@AddictiveSin that's why i only buy gift cards for it. But careful when buying them digitally. They can take hours sometimes to deliver.

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Adblockers are not piracy, no matter what fairy tales KZbin would like you to believe in. Not sure what you did with the Crunchyroll situation; I guess dowloading the torrents instead, which would classify that part of your story as piracy. But blocking ads is _not_ piracy; stop thinking it is. It is perfectly legal, just as it has always been perfectly legal to go to the toilet and grab a drink during commercials on TV, or simply turning the TV set off for 5 minutes while you wait for the program to start again.

[@halftimex25]

@EvenTheDogAgrees tbh I think it should be borderline child abuse if you let your kid watch youtube without one. (Watching it in general, maybe) there are just too many freaks and pervs frying to push a kink on the younger people watching kids content. I'm talking vore,poop play has become crazy big for some reason that skid toilet thing or the Elsa Spiderman pregnancy piss stuff. KZbin is disgusting without ad blocks. Even watching now I get a Mobile game ad showing a lady swallowing men who are lining up only to crap them out of some tentical limb. KZbin ads are approved by a bunch of degenerates who should be held accountable for the shit they approve.

[@a.m.theshinyjohtohunter4287]

Its that whole mentality of "you will own nothing and you will be happy."... That whole perma renting state and all digital is absolutely disgusting.

[@tallyikroe2476]

I mean, compare Nintendo's Method to Steams Method to combat Piracy. notice how no one pirates any steam games and those who do are seen as assholes

[@Bleilock1]

​@@tallyikroe2476no they are not It has nothing to do with steam Im pretty sure every pdx gamer will tell you that you are a fool if you dont pirate their games, on steam

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@Bleilock1 I can't tell if you are suggesting all games on steam should be pirated or only Valve's Games. If you mean the former then you're beyond stupid. If you mean the latter then No that's not what I mean

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@Bleilock1 I'm pretty sure you are either talking about something completely different or a complete idiot for suggestion that narrative

[@braziliantsar]

​@@tallyikroe2476Depends a lot on the publisher. Among the Paradox community, pirating is mostly common sense

[@maguboss1039]

Remember how Sony was about to close the PSN for Vita and PS3 and then people got angry and that made them change their minds? In Nintendos case that could never happpen because the fanbase acts as if this billion dollar company were part of their family or something, they defend most of these moves. Corporations are not our friends, we are just another number to them, speak as a consumer not as a blind fanboy.

[@doopness785]

Actually Nintendo hates Nintendo Fans more than anything else

[@Corvus-uh2db]

@WuAgent What- that's like the most BS thing ever. People BEG for Nintendo to keep the 3ds server up, but somehow it wasn't profitable!?? Ffs, the vita sold worse than the 3ds and Sony still kept the servers up.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

that's sadly a LOT of gaming corporates. Whales get mad that we don't want to go broke over trying to have video games,and they call US entitled 😒

[@GabrielleTollerson]

​@@Corvus-uh2db exactly

[@HebrewGamer100]

@@Corvus-uh2db You didn't refute anything I said. If all the begging equaled dollars for their bottom line, they would keep it going but it doesn't. So it's gone. Allowing PSN to stay active is worth it for Sony's business while keeping the WiiU and 3DS servers up for Nintendo is not. The world doesn't revolve around the niche homebrew community.

[@gernonjones8871]

Nintendo, do you wanna make a Mario fan game? See you in court tomorrow. Sega, you made this Sonic fan game? See you at work tomorrow you’re hired!

[@Traveler_of_the_Stars]

To be fair, people ignore the fact that Nintendo tends to leave a lot of fan-games alone. There's a huge Mario fan-game site that has been around for years that they never touch, for example. What about CTGP for MKWii? My point is that people broadly say Nintendo takes down all fan-games, when in reality, they seem to only go after some higher profile ones or ones that may impede a new release (in their eyes). I'm definitely not saying that makes it right, but I'm also saying more nuance is needed when approaching this topic. As for Sega, let's not pretend they are letting Sonic fan-games exist out of the goodness of their hearts. The Sonic Mania situation was really great, but acting like Sega is some paragon of virtue when it comes to fans just isn't true. They have taken down fan-things before (just usually not Sonic). Yes, not as much as Nintendo, but let's not pretend Sega is more lienent for any other reason than Nintendo does the things detailed in this video (they're both big companies who want to profit in the long-term).

[@Unchainedful]

Nintendo only goes after fan games that wants money or donations to make it, which is highly illegal. A lot of people don’t understand that Nintendo doesn’t care or mind fan games, they just care if you are receiving donations for that project.

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@Traveler_of_the_Stars Source for the latter?

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@Unchainedful I think Gamefreak is a more pressing issue as most of what Nintendo is being accused of is 100% True with Gamefreak

[@80sForever29]

Not wanting to defend Nintendo, but the quality of Nintendo games is much higher than Sega's. Sega basically needs any help they can get lol. Just look at the quality roller coaster that the Sonic games are.

[@Xeit]

"Once that transaction is done, it's not theirs anymore." Boy, o boy, I would like to introduce you to "The Crew" oh wait, where is it, I swear it was in my games library just a second ago.

[@MyVanir]

I guess the publisher applied The Screw on you.

[@plantbefore]

predatory marketing practices like saying "gamers should get used to not owning games" is why indie companies are becoming so popular. hopefully the big corporations begin to fall for their mistakes and we can at least laugh at the karma coming back to bite them

[@rayvaul3539]

Yeah we should and need to do that. The justice is awesome and oh so sweet but hurts them like the bite of a crocodile. This is the globalist plot of “you will own nothing and be happy.” Masked evil words to make it seem good actually makes it far more sinister. These people think they own us. Well, time to show these goons who we really are. Don’t mess with customers. Look at what happened to “modern” Disney movies and shows as well as Bud Light. Protest and fight back with your wallets. I heard the streaming industry is starting to collapse. More and more people are not participating in their predatory practices and wokism. I also heard that stores are pulling DVDs and disks from their shelves. I think this is a way to fight us and force us to rent their stuff as they milk our wallets every month and year. I think this is also prof that they are starting to get desperate. These people are dishonest companies.

[@badshootykat5574]

Guess this big time game companies haven't learned from their constituents~ "Always fear the general public"

[@CallMeBackSamantha]

I’d rather Nintendo at least, not to die, but to just in some sense realize this and become a better company for it

[@psycholuigiman]

@@CallMeBackSamantha I dunno. Nintendo likely isn't ever going to learn. They've been this way even when good-guy Iwata who can do no wrong was still in charge. I say Nintendo is only useful for making quality games on a somewhat more frequent occasion than your average AAA company. Thing is, that's not impressive anymore thanks to the indie scene dumping out quality games every other week for less money. So really, Nintendo is completely useless in my eyes, and being useless in a consumer driven market should be a death sentence. It's only fair.

[@CallMeBackSamantha]

@@psycholuigiman I agree but also I’d rather not mario, Zelda, pokemon, etc etc, to leave because those are at least like, half of the games I play, and even if the games are hit or miss, they’ve still got hits, even if annoying for a variety of reasons.

[@leo5907]

emulating nintendo its not only moral at this point, it's almost our responsability or the game would turn in to lost media

[@fishingmasterstudios9481]

and its legal

[@MA-go7ee]

Depends on if you mean emulating DS or GBA games or you know emulating their current console, which is what Yuzu was doing.

[@stevenmaxwell513]

What is current by your definition? Windows 11 is considered current yet was released in 2021 so how do we lay out definitions for current?

[@leo5907]

@@stevenmaxwell513 what ever its "on" now 3ds stop being current when the servers shutdow

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@teknixstuff Except it literally is their current console they are making games for

[@mr.pompodill1485]

"Get used to not owning your games." Well, I got one thing to say to that, "Yo ho ho and and a bottle of rum, ye mateys."

[@knivesron]

if thats the case they better get used to me not buying their games

[@محمدصفاء-س2م]

Fair

[@1whospeaks]

YAAAAAAAARG HOIST THE SAILS WE BE VIRTUAL MACHEENIN.

[@Predated2]

I mean, legally speaking, you never owned your games. You just owned a license to it and a disk containing the software. Same to how you will technically never truly own a house. Your house is on government ground, and most likely funded with money loaned from the bank. Ownership means that if you die, whatever you left could be legally grabbed by anyone. But that doesnt happen with your house. If no one inherits your house, it will be taken by the bank and the government. If you truly owned it, anyone could claim it for themselves. The only real argument you can make surrounding games, is that you own the license, so you should legally be able to access what the license is promising. And I think there is a courtcase going on doing exactly that.

[@knivesron]

@@Predated2 except you do own a house. You can do work on it, move it, change it, demolish it and build a new one and it's all legal. With games if you tried doing any of that it wouldn't be fine. You can also choose what happens to your house when you die. Seems like your comparing oranges and apples here.

[@Soupreme2]

Did people just forget that for a decade on KZbin Nintendo would copyright strike any video just containing footage of any Nintendo game

[@Soupreme2]

Also them staying full price forever does the opposite of negatively affecting the second hand market, the only reason it's been shrinking is because more purchases are made online

[@magar6247]

@@Soupreme2 You reminded me of a time when they tried to force youtubers that played their games to sign a deal with a devil that would give a lot of control over their yt accounts over to nintendo, and they would take most of their profits as well. They're literally the worst.

[@Desenrrollado]

Flashback to me uploading a texturepack Minecraft review in 2011 with Mario 3 nes music. Getting a strike from Nintendo day 1. It was anything back then yes yeah.

[@euqinemor]

Not just footage, straight up sound effects like the coins and jump ones.

[@tallyikroe2476]

Yes, yes they did

[@willy03yo]

Moving away from physical copies was a terrible decision.

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

It wouldnt have been but companies made it purposefully really hard to move digital copies of games, except steam, which is why PC is just where true gamers play

[@COD4JESSE]

It’s once again, technology being a double edge sword. Able to be used for good or bad. No longer do we have to worry about waiting forever to get a game we love on launch day because it’s continually sold out. It’s there for everyone at the exact same time. But it also gives companies the chance to do what was discussed in this video. I know my optimism is misplaced in this world of disgustingly rampant corporate greed. But things don’t have be this way in terms of the negativity. Ultimately it’s us as consumers that can change things.

[@SurnaturalM]

Same thing for music. It condemn people to buy something that isn't their and will never be.

[@Hexium_Vexium]

All this recent 'get comfortable not owning your games' crap is why I'm looking to buy some physical copies of games I enjoy; that way, when their digital marketplaces close and some publishers pull the games' licenses (looking at The Crew as prime example here), I'll still have a physical disc to pop in. Will I find discs for all the games I'm looking for? Maybe not, but I won't know until I at least check. As for my 3DS, I'm happy to hold onto it and play one of the various games I've got for that. Primarily physical copies, but some digital.

[@introvertedcrow]

@@COD4JESSE honestly I'd rather wait a few days or make multiple trips to the store then let companies charge me a subscription or take my product away after I paid for it. Not just because I hate big corporations or I don't have the money, but out of principle and because sometimes, being slightly inconvenienced to get something and that something being physical makes it feel more valuable. But then again I guess there's the concern about the waste involved in making physical copies, but I doubt the company cared about that.

[@mistermeow527]

Nintendo essentially still sees their work as toys rather than a design or creative medium. In the same way Disney looks at their work as "entertainment rides" rather than the medium of film, animation, & television.

[@usedcolouringbook8798]

Slight correction, Disney sees their work as political vehicles not something than could/does generate income and new users.

[@kanjonojigoku8644]

​​​​@@usedcolouringbook8798no they don't you dog, if you can't see that disney nowadays is putting out the most apolitical, unfun, sanded down, Conservative family weekend slop then I'm sorry for you, unless of course you think minorities being included make something radically political which just means you're a bigoted loser

[@SlipNperiodSlide]

this is such a good thought

[@SlipNperiodSlide]

@@usedcolouringbook8798 curious as to what political views you think they support as i’m certain disney has no political view and will try to appease any and everyone that will give them money

[@mrscruffles801]

"I'm certain Disney has no political view and want to appease everyone" What rock have you been living under?!

[@Shadowholocaust]

Nintendo: we're discontinuing this service. The fan community: Fine, Ill do it myself

[@TheGameMage_]

Nintendo trying to brick consoles that modded with a last update: you were not supposed to do that The fan community working around the attempted bricking: you should learn your place, now it's the pirates life for me and the games you have abandoned.

[@Miracle7Seven]

@@TheGameMage_wait they updated the Wii U AGAIN?!

[@TheGameMage_]

@@Miracle7Seven i was referring to the final update for the 3DS, where the update was trying to brick the 3DS's that people Modded, but people realized what was happening and just didn't update or updated the modding software they were using before updating the 3DS.

[@kiwichoppa147]

@@TheGameMage_ I'm pretty sure it took the modding community less than a month to get around it again

[@Nombrenooriginal]

Still can't play drastic multiplayer

[@sawysauce1256]

I feel like “I would get into Nintendo games but I’m too afraid to get into Pirating” is going to become a common phrase/sentiment in the coming years.

[@hossdelgado626]

Based comment

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

People already say this shit when i tell them to emulate, they dont get that emulation is technically legal if you dump ur own roms, and that if u buy a copy of whatever game on ebay nintendo doesnt get a cent anyway

[@David_the_Psalmist]

@@lemonscentedgames3641And yet they’d surely consider dumping more prohibitive than piracy, which doesn’t really help the issue. Even I can’t quite figure out how to dump gba games (not that that helps with the cartridges I’ve lost over the years).

[@hossdelgado626]

@lemonscentedgames3641 but but but, muh nuntendoh nostalgia that costs $600 for a barely working cartridge of a terrible game

[@zero1zerolast393]

​@@David_the_Psalmist Google my friend, it teaches you everything you need to know. The real problem isn't with the know how, it's the confidence of the individual user to do it. I wasn't sure I could hack my PS2 to play games off of the DVD slot, now, I just jacked my 3 system

[@Arcana_zero_studios]

As Nintendo once said, "They don't make games to make money, they make games to tell stories". Well, if Nintendo can't make any stories for a new game, the series is dead. Yet they'll refuse to keep their golden children around and available. There is a hardline between 'piracy' and 'preservation'. Nintendo tries to blur this line so it treat your childhood favorites like a cigarette. Temporary and once it's had its run, they'll throw it like was nothing.

[@elgatochurro]

Reminds me of earthbound Series is dead, never given another shot

[@Arcana_zero_studios]

@@elgatochurro that's where the statement was issued.

[@ITSAHARDNUGLIFE]

Yet once thrown away, they get all butthurt like we stole something.

[@BeautyMarkRush]

Ironic thing is that if they just released the NS Online emulators for free in the Switch and every new console they intend to launch, they'd solve 90% of the 'piracy' problem AND motivate ppl to buy the console.

[@elgatochurro]

@@BeautyMarkRush very true tbh I was so dissapointed in my switch, smash, botw, i just gave it away to a friend... I dont want the damn console

[@jakescartoons6045]

If Nintendo is so against emulation, but they're not gonna do anything to combat it, then you may as well call me Lupin.

[@robotnikkkk001]

....MARK MY WORDS, THEY'LL TRY TO CLAIM ALL SECONDARY MARKET A PIRACY ......QUITE *SOON* ....AND WHEN THEY'LL FINALLY FAIL, ALONG WITH FAIL OF SWITCH2.......YESS, THE BRIGHT FUTURE WILL SHINE, HEHE

[@tallyikroe2476]

I think when Super Mario 3D All-Stars came and went. it justified Emulation to a whole new level

[@orangeslash1667]

@@tallyikroe2476 It's basically Nintendo forcing you to play the new games, if your not willing to use Nintendo Switch online or bought games on Wii U before it shutdown.

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@orangeslash1667 Exactly.

[@literofcretin]

Nintendo (legal) is perfectly characterized by Inspector Zenigata too. Cartoonishly hellbent on justice, but always two steps behind.

[@OpenTheWindow]

What pisses me off the most is that I know for a fact, it would’ve been really easy for them to just make the shop purchases from the previous generation transfer to the next

[@Lvng_Kvlt]

They literally use the same shop service too which is so stupid lmao like, it’s forced idiocracy

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

This bro... its so stupid how steam is the only digital games marketplace that lets you basically do whatever you want with games, microsoft sony and nintendo all made it so not worth to buy digital copies, i only buy physical for nintendo

[@fireworkstarter]

​@@lemonscentedgames3641steam even has a game that rvery pirated game can link to to still use the steam servers xD

[@EvenTheDogAgrees]

Absolutely, and it would be trivial to keep the storefront going as well. Network protocols have not evolved significantly since they opened up their first online storefront. It's still the same technology, and it will still work, both for their older consoles and the new ones.

[@tallyikroe2476]

what's worse is the people who claim like this would be expensive. like HELLO. SEGA Literally disproved that narrative with the classic Sonic Titles being on Steam

[@ThomatoSauce]

It’s even worse in the cases where they DO rerelease/remaster a game, remove and/or censor content, and then gaslight their audience into believing that it wasn’t ever there in the first place. I WANT MY FUSION SUIT, DAMMIT!

[@N.i.E.M.O]

And then if it doesn't sell as much as a throwaway Pokemon game made with zero effort and zero budget, they'll just say, "Oh, I guess nobody wants Metroid games anymore", and then cancel the entire IP.

[@mrscruffles801]

Like how the censored Paper Mario cause they're too worried about "offending modern sensibilities" or some crap.

[@GoodGirlPeruru]

@@mrscruffles801 I'm _pretty_ sure i know what you're talking about, and can i ask exactly how it's 'censoring' to modify the english script to reflect something present in 80% of other language scripts for the game, including the Japanese original?

[@mrscruffles801]

@@GoodGirlPeruru I'm referring to Goombella's being catcalled being censored, though since you decided to bring this up, no, Vivian was not a transvestite the original translation of the game. The original translation has been out there for a good while now, and the dialoged from the original is not the same as the new dialogue in the remake. There's a mod Called TTYD Plus that shows what the correct translation was, and in it, Vivian is described a crossddressing boy, not a t-girl.

[@corbsshas2811]

They also remove all the fun bugs while leaving in minor and frustrating ones making the only way to play the game in all it's glory piracy

[@ModeDriver]

Why the hell would I jump through countless hoops for a chance to play a game for a limited time, when I could just download it on my 3ds and have it forever for free.

[@kyleellis1825]

That's like saying "Why would I got to work for money when I can just rob my neighbor?" Sure one is easier. But we can't simplify this point too much or it gets really easy to flip on us. It's a very different arguement to say we should pirate the newest games vs pirating the older stuff you can't buy affordably.

[@corbsshas2811]

Apparently they also sent out an update to brick all 3ds that got it so even of you did buy everything in the shop, if it wasn't modded to bypass the update your still out of luck

[@i_like_lemons]

@@kyleellis1825 That is in now way comparable and you know that. You just want to make the argument "piracy is crime" while making it sound worse than it actually is. You are a nintendo shill.

[@guts60]

“You wouldn’t download a car-“ Me looking at motherfuckers on social media 3D printing entire ass cars

[@layers5255]

Did you know the music for that anti-piracy advert was, in and of itself, stolen? Oh, the irony

[@YoshiplayerX]

Me looking at the Tesla-autopilot "game pass"

[@green_creeper288]

Piracy is not an answer, a question, or solution. It's an obligation.

[@megasean3000]

Nintendo right now kind of reminds me of a quote from Mass Effect tweaked to fit the scenario: “You play it because we allow it, and you will stop playing because we demand it.”

[@nicbat7149]

It's almost like they predicted it.

[@WesbirdlyO]

Nintendo: "Rudimentary creatures of Mountain Dew and Doritos, you buy my games, fumbling with joycons, incapable of beating the Water Temple. Console gaming is nothing but a technological mutation, an accident. Your games' lives are measured in years and decades. They get scratched and won't load. We are eternal, the pinnacle of gaming and material greed. Before us, you are nothing. Game ownership's extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything. We impose order on the chaos of technological recreation. You game because we allow it, and you will touch grass because we demand it."

[@danielpayne1597]

@@WesbirdlyO Brilliantly written

[@anonymoustroll2432]

Every videogames on ebay skyrocketed for millions making them unacesible. Imagine losing your stuff from a house fire or any natural disaster such as an earthquake hurricane or house flooding?

[@GamesHostelry]

That's why preservation exists

[@Joker22593]

That's also what insurance is for.

[@BloodHunter6767]

Most people who sell such games for a ton of money only care about the money.

[@paxhumana2015]

@@Joker22593 , except that insurance is a joke and it is also essentially legalized loan sharking/racketeering/extortion/blackmail, and ditto for taxation in all of its forms, functions, names, and such as well.

[@MrDoggo23]

@@Joker22593 Insurance wont give you back your game. That's not how it fucking works.

[@hotuorbit]

I've said this before on many videos like this. The limited releases, going after emulation, going after tournaments, going after fan games, locking classic games behind an online subscription, it's all because of one thing: Nintendo does not want you to be able to play their games unless they say so. They don't even want you to keep playing your older consoles. They want you to throw all those out and buy a Switch. This is primarily why I'll never buy a Switch and they are dead to me as a company. As far as I'm concerned, the real Nintendo died after the Wii U.

[@sikosonix901]

Golly, that's harsh. So your just gonna pirate everything from Nintendo out of spite, and never support the company? I understand they are really against game preservation, but at least the try to replace or revisit some of the older ones. Just know that Nintendo does not give a single ship wether yu pay them or not. There will be millions of other people to compensate. If your trying to send a message by doing that, I promise you it won't work. But if it's completely out of spite, I don't blame you.

[@jeanthmc3561]

@@sikosonix901encouraging a person not to stand up is so fucked up. But I guess that’s what society and capitalism has done to us as a whole

[@sikosonix901]

@@jeanthmc3561 I didn't say that he shouldn't. I'm saying just not supporting Nintendo is not going to do anything. In my opinion, the best way to do it is just continually call it out, like Cole did in this video here. Maybe it's my fault for not giving an actual solution, making my point unclear. But it still stands. You alone will not do anything. Nintendo really will not care whether you buy from them or not. So, there is a better way to do it. Spread the word.

[@jeanthmc3561]

@@sikosonix901 everything starts from a small step, and we all have to support it. Some centuries ago freedom looked impossible. Like IMPOSSIBLE. But look where we are today

[@sikosonix901]

@@jeanthmc3561 You schooling me as if I don't know that. I literally just told you I understand what he is trying to accomplish, and I apologized for not showing a solution. I didn't say it was impossible. I was trying to say it's not the right steps being taken.

[@Dark_Mario_Bros.]

Pirate games on Launch day: Criminal Pirate games of a dead console that is not being sold officially in any way possible: Gamer Justice.

[@benamisai-kham5892]

Launch games: making the company money and easy to purchase Unsupported games: do not make money for the company and aren't available easily by purchasing means.

[@squoosh8285]

pirating games on launch day: not giving the company money when the content is easily accessible pirating games on unsupported hardware: you cant get the fucking game anymore (in a way that supports the company who made it)

[@willissudweeks1050]

It’s not justice it’s still their product. Why can’t you just download things without trying to make yourself seem like you’re on the moral high ground?

[@Dark_Mario_Bros.]

@@willissudweeks1050 be like that and buy from 3rd party for abusive price then.

[@WadeH-v8k]

pirating every nintendo game new or old is justice. I'd pirate the new mario RPG if i was truly inclined to

[@iankohzhongxianbedokviewss1971]

"You wouldn't download a car would you" "yeah of course I wouldn't download a car! It's not worth the upkeep. Instead I'm going to download a house."

[@joaomarques478]

Imagine buying a sofa and then having the manufacturer lecturing you on how you can use it or sell it to, while calling you entiteld...

[@netherwarrior6113]

When I heard the eshop was shutting down, I immediately decided to hack my 3ds. If they are going to lock all these games from people, for literally no reason, and aren’t making them available elsewhere, at that point, it is on them.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

exactly

[@dsdude8441]

I didn't hack my 3ds until the final day of the online service, if they won't support my 3ds, the homebrew community will

[@kurootsuki3326]

i hacked my 3ds a long time ago to put trees in the water in animal crossings and never had another use for it until now LOL

[@Chris-zs5qb]

I agree to an extent, but why would they keep 10+ year old server up?

[@genericname2747]

​@Chris-zs5qb Because the company is rich and can afford to keep their games playable

[@P.A.L.09]

“Yar har fiddle dee dee, play what you want because piracy’s free 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️”

[@mudkip984]

• this is why team aqua is better than magma

[@Jawsomest]

@@mudkip984 Said like a true water type.

[@mudkip984]

@@Jawsomest • yup • magma would be the team to say “you wouldn’t download a (insert random thing) while aqua would be casually pirating everything-

[@paxgallery6646]

@@mudkip984 _Maxie:_ "You wouldn't download a Groudon-" _Archie, holding a master ball ready to catch Kyogre:_

[@jonathanwilliams1271]

As a Gen Z kid, i remember how the Wii cut the prices of their most popular games to $20. Modern Nintendo would not consider that. "You know what other Nintendo game is $60? All of them"

[@frohnatur9806]

Yes! I bought so many games on the Game Cube for 20 or 30 € (which has always had a close to 1:1 exchange rate to the Dollar) as ORIGINAL BRAND NEW copies from stores! Those include 2 of my favorite games: Super Smash Bros. Melee and F-Zero GX. Many games back then were even 50 € at release. Nowadays, Nintendo asks you to pay 60 € for the near 15 year-old worst ever 3D Zelda game: Skyward Sword

[@boredgoddesstori6635]

Just recently I bought the Nintendo selects version of Super Paper Mario for 20 Bucks, which was also the original price for that. Nowadays Nintendo is like: „Here‘s a Sale where only a select few Games are like, 15% cheaper“

[@tachi1034]

there was a dude who said that piracy doesn't cause physical copies of a game to suddenly vanish off the shelfs, and something about downloading a house or a car is a clownshow of a phrase to say.

[@wafflesaucey]

the government agrees on this too, though I forget where I heard this.

[@tachi1034]

@@wafflesaucey if i remembered right it was mental outlaw.

[@timbonthuus1619]

It doesn't cause them to disapear, it devalues them.

[@tachi1034]

@@timbonthuus1619 won't someone Please think of the scalpers!

[@hossdelgado626]

​@timbonthuus1619 not really, it's just making something a scalper would sell for $800 usd down to 99 free cause it's no longer in short supply. That's not devaluing, that's illegal profiteers crying cause their money printing scheme was upended

[@ssxtier]

the wild fact that sony keeps loyal to his vita and ps3 by keeping their services and limit them instead of straight shutting while nintendo is off meat riding the switch above max

[@solairefan5420]

fr tho thanks to that I managed to buy Persona 4 Golden back in 2019

[@chrisanderson6466]

I would like to call that the nicten cycle make new product it gets old make new product to sell and to stop the old product from selling anything rinsed and repete until the fans (the ones with a brain) get sick of it then just look for alternatives or go to there competitors or some indie gaming company that gets lucky enough to the funny plumber man doesn't sue them out the ass and put them in debt for years while being in jail... what's the matter don't have a 1000.00 dollars to give us? :nictendo

[@BootySweat4491]

RIP the English language

[@MinosPrimeGaming]

Didn't Sony try to shut down the Vita/PS3 stores and only didn't because of backlash?

[@michaelquintana2590]

The Nintendo video game pricing strategy has been commented on by Satoru Iwata, “After a piece of hardware is released, the price is gradually reduced for five years until demand has run its course. But since the demand cycle never fails, why bother reducing the price this way? My personal take on the situation is that if you lower the price over time, the manufacturer is conditioning the customer to wait for a better deal, something I've always thought to be a strange approach.”

[@TheJunnior1]

In other words, nintendo price policies are the costumers fault, nt not the company.

[@michaelquintana2590]

@@TheJunnior1Nearly everything is the consumer’s fault, yes.

[@nathangamble125]

@@TheJunnior1 Do you mean customer or consumer? A costumer is someone who makes or wears costumes.

[@TheJunnior1]

@@nathangamble125 consumer, im not native english,so i commit some errors sometimes

[@relo999]

@@nathangamble125 customer is also someone who purchases an item. Ever heard of the saying "the customer is always right"?

[@Bludgeta9001]

Piracy is an obligation at this point

[@kestrel7714]

Amen that!

[@LG555]

Nintendo probably thinks, that the younger audience probably doesn't care for older games. I mean, a ten year old looking at a N64 game would just think 'wow that's ugly' and then go play Fortnite again.

[@cwega2463]

i mean that’s just not true either. that’s the problem with older generations as they grow up, they always view younger generations as increasingly brain dead and stupid. when i was younger, i was OBSESSED with getting into retro gaming. old consoles seemed so cool to me. that wasn’t going to change because i could go play GTA V or something. those who want to play older games will try to; and those who just want to play fortnite or GTA etc would never have cared in the first place; regardless of the generation.

[@tulip811]

You mean roblox

[@zurro311]

@@cwega2463 Yeah exactly, like I got into retro gaming when I was 12 (born 2007). Like the first Retro game I played (that I pirated) was Mario Sunshine. Then as I got old I started collecting old Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U games that I would want to play as I have a Wii and Wii U to play them on.

[@nigini6092]

Yeah, but you're an exception. You're a niche market that was probably giving them money anyways because people who like retro stuff often play the new stuff as well. People like us are a drop in the sand compared to normies.

[@MrBIizzard]

And they're dead wrong. When I've tried following homebrew tutorials on youtube for my wii u or wii (vwii) that the person voicing over those tutorials were younger then me?!

[@HER0_]

I love Nintendo games, but holy shit I hate Nintendo so much

[@drag9105]

It’s like your high school bully sells the best clothes ever but there still your high school bully

[@kyethememer9836]

My thoughts exactly. I love the game dev side of the company but side the corporate/business/marketing side.

[@rlbx]

Now here’s the way i see it. If Nintendo is going to make it so that there’s physically no way to get a game or DLC anymore then they shouldn’t be upset about people pirating the game or DLC So that they can play it.

[@Aldenfenris]

But then you are not giving them money for their new games!, how dare you be a fan of them that wants to play games they don't sell anymore instead of buying the newer remasters, shovelware, or their online service!. If you were a real fan you'd support them by pretending the old games no longer exist and only consume new media.

[@zarks-heroes]

@@Aldenfenrisshut up clown

[@domehammer]

It's not piracy if you cannot physically own it.

[@Aldenfenris]

@@domehammer It is 100% piracy and wrong if you don't pay for it. But for older games, you physically can't pay for them, it is about the same as finding an old copy on the street. I'd say it like this. If the devs/owner of the copyright is still selling it, then yes it is piracy. If you actually can't pay to the rightful owners of the soft/game in question for it. (and I mean the company that made it or owns the rights), then it really shouldn't be considered stealing or piracy or bad.

[@zarks-heroes]

@@Aldenfenris cry about it womp womp

[@dukeminty]

Another benefit Nintendo gets from selling you a license to a game instead of selling you a copy is that they retain stronger copyright control. It’s a big reason the industry is moving all digital; they can effectively retain full legal control over how anyone uses the game. The copyright agreement is that if you buy a product from someone, you can use it how you want, you just can’t use it commercially. That means modding games is completely legal, and game companies have to put effort into stopping it within the design of the game itself rather than just taking down mod sites. If the only way anyone can officially play a game is through buying a license and not purchasing the product, then it’s completely within the company’s right to stomp out any way people use their game, since technically they’ve never sold it to anyone

[@zero1zerolast393]

There a movement right now trying to go to Congress about the issue but to be honest, I don't see these bad business practices lasting long term regardless of what Congress does

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

Modding a game is legal as long as you don't use copyrighted code or don't release the mod. Doesn't matter if you release it non-commercially or commercially, if you use copyrighted material you can't release it. Even with a phyiscal copy you only buy a license, but the company has to make sure that you can keep on using that license, so I am actually not sure if it's even legal for them to shut the stores down.

[@jonwwillis]

This is why fan servers are important like Pretendo Network.

[@ColeTheFactGuy]

Absolutely. I'm glad it's been getting traction

[@Aldenfenris]

@@ColeTheFactGuy let's hope nintendo doesn't pull a nintendo on it.

[@BensonMTG]

And another gripe. WTF is with Nintendo closing down Mario 35? That was awesome! It was on Switch, not on something being sunset, 3DS, WIIU. I’ve never seen a company hate their consumers so much.

[@DaGhostToastRoast]

Ikr as life long fan for going on 20 years it’s really sad and infuriating!

[@knivesron]

i heard that microsoft paid devs to not make windows copys of their games so they could push the xbox. thats a huge amount of hate right there, look it up

[@LiftandCoa]

You are LITERALLY on youtube bro.

[@BensonMTG]

@@LiftandCoa Care to clarify that?

[@derthevaporeon]

​@@knivesron Not to mention that people with low PC specs can't get, for example, the original AoE1 nor AoE2 in their CD versions (expansions included), we really have to purchase the "Definitive Editions" of their products And even with the introduction of the Return to Rome DLC, people would prefer to pirate the CD AoE1 + Rise of Rome (not saying AoE2DE is bad, tho)

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

Nintendo sitting on a literal bank vault and pretending they aren't because they're too comfortable to move.

[@LeGurdah]

Mood.

[@ventusargentum9957]

Jabba the Hutt? Nah my friend. Nintendo the Hutt. Runs the Outer Gaming Rim with an iron fist it do.

[@emilylefebvre646]

4:12 They do this because they know they can sell a low effort remaster for a full 60 bucks later. This is why they get so upset over emulators, they don't WANT the majority of their library to be playable at any given time, so that their re-releases can maintain their value. Basically, they care more about money than preservation

[@mozzapple]

The thing about piracy that companies don't understand is this: If I want to buy a game, I will. I wouldn't even think of checking piracy resources if I genuinely just want to buy the game as it is. If I DON'T want to buy a game, be it because I'm too poor, I don't think the game is worth the price, or because the game isn't physically capable of being bought in the first place (discontinued or region-locked), THEN I will check piracy resources to see if I can find the game to play. But the thing about the above reasons is, these are all reasons for not buying the game in general, whether I pirate it or just go without it. Seeing that a game is piratable is not a prerequisite to not paying, it's that not being able to pay is the prerequisite to pirating it. Someone pirating a game wasn't going to pay either way, whether they successfully pirate the game or they just don't play it.

[@Takinu]

Sorry, but that is plain dumb. If you don’t like their new games, don’t play them. Stealing stuff for no other reason then you don’t like it or you are too poor doesn’t justify anything. In fact, now Nintendo has even more of a reason to shut down these services, because people like you steal their games despite not liking them. Once again, don’t play their new games. It’s not that hard. I haven’t bought Nintendo’s new trash in over a year, and I bet they would be furious if more people started to generally stop interacting with their new products.

[@jamesdinius7769]

That same logic justifies any kind of theft. Should I be allowed to steal a Lamborghini because I can't afford one? No. No I shouldn't, but that's the exact argument you make. You are not entitled to the labor of others. Especially not when it comes to a luxury/entertainment product.

[@Lh0000]

@@jamesdinius7769 Aaah yes the well known form of theft “creating an exact duplicate of something you weren’t buying either way” piracy is by definition not theft, the logic doesn’t justify any kind of theft because the actual acts are fundamentally different. This is like saying an engineer is the same as a bank teller.

[@saidzilla226]

​@@jamesdinius7769my guy , that's not what they're implying and they explained it to you very detailed with everything tinsy detail Like are you dense?

[@saidzilla226]

​@@Takinu They're not "stealing" if said software is already updated in the internet and free for you to download, when the game already died because they're no longer selling it , quit your 🐂 💩

[@SansINess53]

the problem nintendo actually does emulation while also saying it's bad and it's piracy.

[@theredknight9314]

They own the IP so they are free to emulate

[@SansINess53]

@@theredknight9314 yet they don't want people to emulate their old games.

[@theredknight9314]

@@SansINess53 they own the IP to their own games. They are in their legal and moral right to prevent infringement of copyright protected materials

[@genericname2747]

​@@theredknight9314Lol

[@Viesta]

​@@theredknight9314 Imagine defending hypocrisy...

[@comicalrando.9849]

"HOW DARE THEY, ITS MY IP TO SIT ON AND DO NOTHING WITH" Nintendo really needs to get a reality check...

[@okkam7078]

it is literally how ip law works

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@okkam7078 funny thing is. Its not how it works in Japan

[@Retromancer_Rackham]

Companies destroying their back catalogues is the same as book burning. And it should be treated the same way.

[@IaconDawnshire]

Nintendo is so litigious with their IP they would probably sue you for making fan art, let alone if you painted Mario on the wall on in your nursery

[@Videogameryoutubewatcher]

Once upon a time, I had a brother named luigi, and he only wore green.. You can truly only guess what happened to him after they took him (joke)

[@LimeLoaf]

Disney sued over micky mouse on a orphanage wall iirc

[@mistabrown830]

Nintendo had police raids someone house for selling Pokémon doujins

[@nokrot]

They already did that multiple times. I don't think I have to remember how the pieces of shit knocked down Super Mario Royale, and then make a cheap copy port of EXACTLY the same thing. There are more but this is the most despicable.

[@LimeLoaf]

@@nokrot you're referring to sm35 right? Whats worse is that they shut down that themselves less than a year l8r.

[@2l84me8]

Nintendo is Nintendo’s worst enemy.

[@robotnikkkk001]

...DONT WORRY DUDE, SWITCH2 IS GONNA FALL, BECAUSE THEIR MANAGEMENT ISNT BETTER THAN SEGA'S WAS WHILE SATURN AND DREAMCAST WERE A THING .......BUT AT *LEAST* WE'LL GET A *_VITA 2_* , HEHE

[@tallyikroe2476]

I mean, Thats how the playstation was born

[@propheinx2250]

Nintendo fans are gamers worst enemy.

[@nxx99]

@@propheinx2250 real

[@loganshaw4527]

Nintendo is stealing form it's self.

[@kydayearctic5988]

I think Copyright laws are outdated and should be changed to allow media to improve. the current copyright laws greatly restrict creativity especially considering what could be protected under copyright, some idiot in history believed that colors should be able to be protected for some dumb reason.

[@tallyikroe2476]

and also the Happy Birthday Song

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Outdated? Not entirely. Just needs some updates.

[@kydayearctic5988]

@@darkzeroprojects4245 I feel like needing updates could be seen as being outdated.

[@emexcorner2500]

Blame Disney

[@seaweeb2258]

It needs to mimic the Patent Laws or at least bridge the gap. If it wasn't for the lobbying of that mouse company, copyright law wouldn't be liftime ownerships and then some because their creator died years ago. The weird part is how Disney is re writing their own history with censorship and retconing. As progressive as they are, they sure like protecting Mr.Disney's IPs despite how much they (theoretically) hate him. Nevermind that most of the originals weren't even their stories. They themselves took the story, did a little modification, and sold it under their name as their own. With today's laws, Disney wouldn't even had got off the ground in the first place. They support and pass the laws that would have put them out of business. It's almoat like Lobbying should be illegal or something.....

[@Groznor.Grumbles]

"If paying for games means you don't own them, then pirating games isn't stealing." -Jim from the Office

[@TylerMcNamer]

Support Pretendo.

[@nuclearstarr115]

not their discord server though!

[@kemrhodes6509]

@@nuclearstarr115what’s wrong with their discord?

[@nuclearstarr115]

@@kemrhodes6509 degens and just generally annoying people

[@gossamera4665]

@@nuclearstarr115 Is it as bad as GoDot's?

[@nuclearstarr115]

@@gossamera4665 Idk what godot is but probably

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

The funny thing is Metroid Prime Remastered at least involved Retro Studios putting in real effort to improve the graphical quality and still sold it for 1/3 cheaper than Nintendo's Switch version of Skyward Sword where they basically just threw it into a higher resolution and framerate, made some minor changes (One of which is locked behind a paywall) and charged $60 without remaking any of the actual assets.

[@wafflesaucey]

Skyward sword hd was an instant pirate for me.

[@LightTheForgiving]

The number one thing that annoys me surrounding the discourse of piracy and emulation is that too many fans (notably Nintendo fans) try to ignore that piracy and emulation directly call into question the value of what we're paying for as consumers. I do not care for whatever moral standard you have in regards to piracy. If you're charging me money for something that basically offers me LESS than what I can do FOR FREE, you're going to have to try really hard to justify why I should even be giving you money in the first place. Will I buy something knowing that I can just as easily pirate or emulate it? Yes. But that's a choice that I'm making because I want that company to continue making games, especially if they're a small company. But rather than living a world where people question the value of what they're money goes to, we live in a world where people shill for corpos that will never care about them.

[@tallyikroe2476]

Its basically asking "is the price they are asking Fair or Reasonable, or too outlandish for justification" For an example. I think the vast majority of people would agree that buying: Super Mario Odyssey Super Mario Wonder Breath of the Wild Mario Maker 1 or 2 Paper Mario Thousand Year Door Animal Crossing New Leaf Pokemon Platinum Pikmin 3 Metroid Dread Just. Any Metroid Game other then Other M and that dumb reskin of a proto type for the 3DS Buying each of them at a Price Point of $60 is fair and reasonable for what they are asking of people. But then theres games like: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Pokemon Legends Arceus New Super Mario Brothers 2 & Wii U Deluxe Wario Ware Games Mario Strikers Battle League Club House 51 Games Pokemon Mystery Dungeons Rescue Team DX Captain Toads Treasure Tracker Yoshi's Crafted Wooly World Buying each of these are $60 would be based on prefrence. on the consumer but in a lot of cases It would be a hard sell for people as what they are getting isn't worth $60 most of the time. more around $40 imo And then theres: Pokemon Sword and Shield Mario Tennis Aces Paper Mario Sticker Star Paper Mario Color Splash Mario and Luigi Paper Jam Super Mario Party Mario Vs Donkey Kong Remake Nintendo Switch Sports Where You cannot justify buying these products at $60. Heck I think people wouldn't pay 20 Dollars for these games if they knew what buying them would give you. So you have to ask yourself the question I mentioned of "is the price they are asking Fair or Reasonable, or too outlandish for justification". If the Answer to that question is the latter. then you have to ask yourself "if you support/care/hate the company that the game is a part of" if the answer is Support then buy from the company itself, If its Care then I would say do the above with new games but pirate the old games that Nintendo isn't making money off of. and if its hate then Just have at it.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

​@@tallyikroe2476to be fair you cannot giving fault of nintendo for the pokemon games the one who handle all the merchandise and of pokemon is PCT that is very indipendent to nintendo at this point pokemon its very much his own brand that is affiliated mostly by the mark with nintendo

[@chocokeeki]

I haven't decided yet if I should buy a Switch so I can buy this Japan-only third-party game to support the series and possibly show the company that there's fans outside Japan that would like an international release. But on the other hand, I don't want to keep supporting Nintendo and I don't see much of a point in buying a Switch just for this ONE game. ~Plus that game is a low-effort port.~ Every other Switch game I'm interested in I want to emulate instead. Oh well, I guess there won't be a Switch in this house after all.

[@otamatonefan8996]

Two sides of the gaming coin: Nintendo, and Flashpoint. One gives little shit about their old content's accessability, the other preserves dozens of games for play, whenever, wherever. And people will return to Flashpoint, whether from Nostalgia or Curiosity, not a stupid bundle subscription. Entertainment repeats in history.

[@GideonTyree]

There is a similar problem in the comic book industry, where publishers have spent decades furious that fans would dare to resell their comic books after purchasing them, and have tried all sorts of schemes to stop that from happening.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

Oh gosh, the comic book industry. Let’s not forget the years the big two spent printing garbage upon garbage that nobody wanted, only to double down, insult the readers, and let the stores eat the cost. You’re right, the big gaming studios are a little too similar.

[@magythemage]

nintendo sucks, not only did they close the e-shops but in some countries like mine THEY NEVER EVEN OPENED THEM. like wtf do you NOT want my money?

[@RandomDude1487]

With the gaming titans falling rapidly, quality indie games will hopefully have a chance

[@zoltanz288]

they already have a chance.

[@RandomDude1487]

@@zoltanz288 I mean that a much larger percentage would get a larger chance at becoming larger, and I honestly prefer 5 indie games with plenty of passion over 1 triple A game made for the money. Also, that response was completely uncalled for.

[@mmbiz.o]

​@@RandomDude1487"completely uncalled for" bros acting like they just said something horrible but no, they just said indie games already have a chance which is completely true. Ever heard of cuphead, undertale, celeste, or among us? Hell, even minecraft, the best sold video game of all time is technically an indie game.

[@RandomDude1487]

@@mmbiz.o Yes, I am saying that it is likely that they will have even more of a chance. I also meant that maybe indie games could partially replace greedy AAA games.

[@PilotGuava]

Another thing that’s more personal and might not fall into the category of scummy practices is Nintendos refusal to release the music from all of their games. I would pay for a Majoras mask album, but instead I have to rely on covers of music. All of the covers are good, but they just don’t have the same feeling most of the time.

[@finesseandstyle]

What do you mean rely on covers, can't you just download the OST?

[@DugdoesDigging]

REMEMBER THIS ONE THING: Nintendo Corporate and Nintendo Development ARE NOT THE SAME THING

[@izzyj.1079]

Don't care. They work for the same company, under the same executives. Hitting their wallet is the only thing that'll bring them to heel. It is not possible to support the developers while also meaningfully harming the corperate

[@DugdoesDigging]

Not my point, but I get where you are coming from

[@M64bros]

​@@DugdoesDigging Exactly, I'm glad I'm not the only one that realized that as well. The problem is when people are blaming Nintendo as a whole, you're dragging in its developers and employees, considering the fact they have absolutely nothing to do with the DMCA legal team in Japan that makes those decisions.

[@Frustratedartist2]

No one is blaming the artists. But as artists, they should know that the future of video games as art is strictly indie. Working in Nintendo/Sony will soon become like being a session musician for a pop music corporation. The only thing that "holds" the fans from going strictly indie is certain IPs that we've loved when we were young (Then again, for example, as an old time Final Fantasy fan, I don't see any reason to get Final Fantasy VII Remake that craps on my love for turn based JRPGs, when I can get Chained Echoes which respects my intellect, and my hard earned money will support the work of an actual artist).

[@sikosonix901]

​@@Frustratedartist2 @izzyj.1079 says otherwise.

[@Walamonga1313]

I hate them for going after Citra. It was the only way to play Monster Hunter 4U and Generations online

[@tallyikroe2476]

Citra was more collateral damage

[@Aldenfenris]

@@tallyikroe2476 Yeah they went for th4e switch emulator, and it just happened to also splatter onto killing citra

[@igem03]

If buying isnt owning, pirating isnt stealing

[@baronyfan]

The thing about TTYD remaster news being shocking is quite depressing and reminded me how recently Nintendo sent me and others a survey about Mario & Luigi which blew my mind because I thought they did not care about it at all, considering they let Alpha Dream die and whatnot. They probably still don't but its just weird that any form of announcement about any game I actually liked from them shocks me.

[@Ckoz2829]

What happened with Thousand Year Door?

[@tallyikroe2476]

I think what was more of a shock was the fact this game got a remake in spite of the state of the Paper Mario Games and Community (not saying Origami king is a bad game, I have never played it but it seems to be a good experience, The other 3 games are shit though)

[@--Moonie--]

boy is there news for you

[@baronyfan]

@@--Moonie-- The direct blew my mind.

[@realkingofantarctica]

"This was not a video I wanted to/planned on making" is the essayist's equivalent to the PNG character crossing his arms.

[@thedarklord9546]

New idea for a mr. Beast video. “Buying old nintendo games at outrageous prices to resell them to you for $10”

[@Austinuztantine]

Modern AAA games aren't 60 or 70, they're 130. They just give you the option to pay for only 80% of the game for a discount XD

[@gokudomatic]

As a kid, long ago, I was quite the guy who tried to get everything for free when it came to video games. Now that I have a salary, I bought on steam all the games I loved, almost like an attempt to make redemption (but only when it was on sales). However, never once I felt guilty to pirate console games. I love those games. But all those exclusives on proprietary platforms that shut down at will are not worth receiving that kindness.

[@ColeTheFactGuy]

I mean, I'm a game collector. I try to go out of my way to get physical copies of games as often as possible. A lot of the stuff I complained about isn't even about me, I have literally every game I mentioned. But if companies are gonna shut shit down then piracy is the best option

[@gokudomatic]

@@ColeTheFactGuy Piracy has done more for the preservation of game legacy than any company could ever hope to achieve. If we can still play magical pop'n today, it's not thanks to nintendo.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

I disagree. Proprietary platofrms are the spice of life. Otherwise everything would be too homogenized and lame.

[@gokudomatic]

@@wolfetteplays8894 I don't see how being proprietary helps creativity. Have you seen what some free and open source games could offer? Sure, no big budget, but creativity never required that.

[@altonb.1396]

​@@wolfetteplays8894Steam and gog are the only stores people actually use. Epic is just for fortnite/free games and any other storefronts like origin are practically dead in the water outside of being forced to use them for specific games. If storefronts had shared libraries then we could actually see some competition by providing better services like download speed, discounts, interface options, profile customization, etc.

[@aperson2go497]

As an off topic thing it makes me super happy to see Kid Icarus footage in the background. I really hope that the series gets more recognition in the future.

[@dragojuice8716]

nintendo games being $60 is why I dont purchase *any* nintendo games digitally. physical copies are honestly nicer most of the time, and you can find em, at launch sometimes even, at places like walmart for *at least* $10 less

[@delinquenter]

"Disclaimer: I am always correct. Thanks." Finally someone, with the balls, to properly state an opinion. Happy fending yourself off, against thousands of die-hard Nintendo fans.

[@erik3371]

The engineers must celebrate shutting it down. Imagine the security scans and critical maintenance on this stack. I feel for them.

[@codycolchdolc9395]

Yes I em new Nintendo for

[@hoohoo431]

And considering how shit Nintendo's security is, you know things weren't going well

[@Dude-vb4ul]

Piracy is always the moral choice

[@FurryGram]

If it can be infinitely copied but can't be bought from the people who made/published it then pirating it isn't stealing.

[@powerpunchXD]

When I saw the announcement that the stores were closing for WiiU and 3DS, I panic purchased as many games as I could afford. Then, half of them were released on the virtual console for the Switch.

[@jayjolt701]

If Nintendo doesn't make the Switch 2 backwards compatible then this video's point stands out even further.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

What realy infuriates me is that they dont even let ppl do fangames for free in peace. Relic castle didnt even have ads for god sake

[@jeanremi8384]

What's relic castle ?

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

@@jeanremi8384 what was It was basically a forum where ppl uploaded pokemon fangames with no monetary incentive. There hundreds if not thousands of projects and had been going for 10 years and nintendo just shut them down for loving their product better than them

[@chocokeeki]

Oh damn, they shut down Relic Castle?????? NOOOOOOOOO

[@chocokeeki]

@@jeanremi8384 It was a site and forum for people who made Pkmn fangames and shared resources to make your own I saw someone call it a "ROMhack" site but iirc the focus of Relic Castle was fangames that were programmed from scratch with specialized engines to make Pkmn fangames, not ROM hacking...

[@Cyberfoxxy]

The only way to truly own your games. Is to pirate them.

[@thetrueholybob434]

The last point in this video was pure gold, I saw a video months back talking about why the swicth is worse than the Wii U. Not because the Wii U is a better console or, that it has a better a library, but because Miiverse, The bottle message system in Windwaker, Stamps in Twilight princess that you could collect and use on Mii verse. The feeling of opening up the Wii u and seeing all the little Miis on the screen and your friends and accounts. The charn of the white and blue icons, the little ambient jingle that played in the background. Actually, I have Netflix and multiple apps, lol. The music that played in the eshop. It was enchanting, and like Disney, Nintendo products had strong magic to them. I still feel it with my gameboy even. It's hard to get on the switch now, just the grey and white games on your screen and nothing else. Expect your icon on the top. You can't even message your friends.

[@deadturret4049]

I definitely miss the aesthetic of the wii u and 3ds. Nintendo absolutely dropped the ball on switch themes. Seemingly everybody wants it, and like the 3DS themes, are willing to pay for them, but nintendo just kinda goes "nah". It tooks us how many years to get folders back on the switch?

[@thetrueholybob434]

​@deadturret4049 Hey, so true!

[@AImpatientMan]

The sad part about online games to me is that devs could do the bare minimum and just make the servers have one player host the game after shutdown. The old call of duty's already did this where you can log into cod 4-black ops 2 and despite there being 2-3k total online players, you can still find a lobby within 30 seconds and play with someone to still experience the games online functions. Hell in the zombies community people are still pushing coop world records

[@Chris-e8h5z]

It's almost a moral obligation to pirate Nintendo game and store them on a NAS. Long Term this'll hurt Nintendo. You'll be able to sell emulation services that you preserved.

[@fireofvictory7008]

I don’t think I own a single console without CFW running anymore because of these issues

[@fembuss9528]

The more reasons why Nintendo wants us to stop 🏴‍☠️, the more reasons it GIVES us TO 🏴‍☠️ them.

[@jharuldsmythe]

as many a wise man has said, "if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"

[@Cor214]

If you found a dinosaur bone scientists would steal it without compensation beacuse it's history Games are becoming young history

[@kestrel7714]

@jharuldsmythe, True it that!. "Remember, You Can always pirate Nintendo Games it's always morally correct" let nintendo sink merchandise to learn to show who is real boss. We are not gonna buy Nintendo console new generation with weak hardware inside it feel stink inside.

[@shadou1234567]

Point to 60 dollar, sushi strike is a charming actual nintendo game (not like some gamefreak case) but it launched as one of the last 3ds games, and one of the earlyeast switch games, making it sell like shit for a dead mobile, or compete with insane launch title in switch, ON THE SAME PRICE TAG. Its annoying to see charming new franchises dead on arival for marketing problems really

[@nathanielbass771]

especially considering most of the companies only give a one year notice, meaning a company might have to completely remake the game other than its models in order to sell it...which would more than DOUBLE the price tag.

[@cyberjeeb]

This is the first time in my life I won't be an owner of a Nintendo console.

[@fam4sta611]

This guy is spitting facts. Especially with people being surprised with thousand year door remake

[@jsmith3946]

Really all I hear is bull shit

[@thecollector4753]

​@@jsmith3946 Then you should clean out your ears and get back to us when you're done. Then you can actually hear what the man is saying instead of sounding like some sort of shill.

[@jsmith3946]

@@thecollector4753 so because i pointed out this guy is full of shit I am a shill got it

[@supersonic0003]

5:43 I totally agree Fear and Hunger for example is banned in germany. I really wanted to play the series and even looked up key online. In the end i was forced to pirate it, since there was no way i could play this game on my device. That's the only thing ive pirated since i was a child, and back then was only because i couldnt afford the games i wanted to play

[@pponca8953]

you played fear and hunger as a child?

[@Tyrone-px4zf]

I'm not gonna modern gaming does kinda suck. In the past we had action replay,backwards compatibility & a lot of accessories not just controllers. Now all get are updates that block whatever they don't like

[@chavonjames8941]

This needs to be pinned frfr

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

⁠@@chavonjames8941Why? It’s the most basic and generic comment you can make on this topic.

[@chavonjames8941]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 because the simplicity of reasons why games are bad is literally: this comment. This can fix SO MUCH of modern day games. It’s like the Pokemon theory of making their games-take 2 features and bring back 1 as a whole “new” feature but technically SELL you that feature back. Action replay to bring back events that past; can’t do that shit no more w DLC-events. Backwards compatibility; basically resell you games that you had or remake games that are WORST versions of their og reflections. So don’t come give me that “it’s basic generic comment bc it’s the fckn SIMPLISTIC solution imbecile or nincompoop. To this day I’m still racking more than 999+hrs on just BW (not bw2) and still playing w their online features (or at least some) on BW2 that you can do solo

[@kamdenmadan3289]

We sorta still had Action Replay, until the 3DS, albeit it was only save editing. While the Switch doesn't have backwards compatibility due to a significant switch from Discs to SD cards, the PS5 can play PS4 and the Xbox Series can play Xbox One. Accessories i personally don't think most care about seeing to the fact that it did mostly die out except for when Nintendo decides to make something niche or bank on past successes (Labo and Mario Kart Wheel).

[@Tyrone-px4zf]

I still have my action replay power saves. I bought almost every WiiU game for my Switch just get a sense of backwards compatibility

[@anguel87]

up till now i always played with steam game, recently bought a nintendo switch for my kids, and they wanted splatoon 3 fine, i found baffling that you have to pay a monthly sub, to be able to acces just most of the entire game, im even more surprised that nearly nobody talks about this ...

[@DekutreeRipoff504]

Yeah they ended free online services with the release of the switch. It really sucks since they were the last major console maker to have free online with their games. What's even worse is that the server quality is still shit. Splatoon was mostly okay, but with games like Smash Bros, it was extremely difficult to play with the lag spikes.

[@tallyikroe2476]

@@DekutreeRipoff504 The Main issue is that it costed money for what is essentially the same service. for the Wii U era I wouldn't mind it because even know the WIFI was BAAADD. It was Free, so we didn't have to suffer with a subscription with it

[@sanscomic4226]

Best greedy company logic is (I think):happy player = player willing to spend

[@kurdtcoben]

I still don't understand how you could be a Nintendo fan nowadays...

[@ChickenNugget7]

The games are really good, nobody is actually a fan of a company unless they are delusional

[@jeffreyfitch1006]

Nintendo should just simply maintain an e-shop that sells all of their legacy content from the 8bit Era to present. It's a better solution than just being a giant douche to your own customers.

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

One thing you didn't mention is that some of these games had content you could only get by buying the digital version of the game on the e-shop, or that some games are basically impossible to buy physical copies of. A personal example is Yo-kai Watch, a severely underrated game with a very small english fanbase, and also a franchise who's second installments had special Yo-kai that could only be recieved via codes you'd get when you bought the digital versions of the games; and a series who's third game had such a small release in the west that some fans are convinced that physical copies in english just straight up don't exist because you never saw them in stores. Those games and the YKW2 digital-exclusive Yo-kai are now basically gone or severely kneecapped because the e-shop isn't up anymore; and fans can't trade the for those Yo-kai because there's no online trading anymore, just local trading. People talk about how hard it is to get and enjoy classic titles, but nobody talks about how more obscure games are basically dead in the water because of the e-shop shutdown. Its frankly kinda fucking disgusting.

[@ColeTheFactGuy]

As a Fire Emblem fan I totally get it. Fucking sucks

[@geepike]

Legit: can anyone explain to me how all these companies pushing towards 0 ownership, monthly/yearly subscriptions can EVER be profitable, never mind more profitable than when fans buy several $70/yr? Not to mention when fans get pissed enough and turn to piracy en mass. Everything you said in this video is why I went from excited af when Switch was announced, to waiting for game releases & system sale…to buying a PS4, a Vita, and a Steamdeck. I’ve been a Nintendo fan since 80s, but their practices lost them literally over 1000 game sales just from me alone.

[@Aldenfenris]

Because they care about steady revenue. If they can charge you a consistent 30 bucks a month for games, it is a guaranteed 360 a month. While selling games they are gambling on people actually liking the game and wanting to buy it. As simple as that. Also by killing ownership, they know you will be forced to buy the new thing, or have nothing, since they can pull old games from your console at any second. (As well as controlling what modding or hacks you use of course)

[@geepike]

@@Aldenfenris I agree on the steady revenue part 100%. But these gamepass systems are like $75/year. So thats like 1 game purchase a year. I know PS+ gives away like 3 games/mo, which is 36 free games a year. Alot of people will now pay that fee 1x/yr, but WON’T buy games. I would think that would reduce sales for dev studios and skew their #s, while providing Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo with more $. (Im sure this stuff is all % games, but…) The cost of making a game usually requires millions of sales to be considered successful. Same as the movie business, which now complains when nobody goes to theatres but will watch on Netflix, Disney+, etc…they’re losing billions. I just cant see how companies giving away the farm, but also pissing fans off re: ownership, mods, etc…is gonna benefit them MORE than making great products (completed pre-release 😉) and letting fans buy them full price. Also, Gamepass, online streaming services etc are gonna be almost impossible to walk-back now too. I feel like in an attempt to dominate markets these companies have screwed themselves, the industry, and tied themselves to a sinking ship. kzbin.infoyoFHOUmaqQQ?si=do70cbsfIC5k9jSW

[@Aldenfenris]

@@geepike You forget you already paid for the game, and it is as you say, per year, plus extra cosmethics, ratehr than make a whole new game, they just keep selling passes. Which would be a year, or two a year, or any period they want.

[@finesseandstyle]

People forget about cancelling subscriptions that's basically the entire point. A LOT of people take issue with paying $70 upfront especially in the poorer countries where that value can be more than 10% of their monthly salary. Compare that to say $4 monthly for online play. Besides on a subscription usually the company has a lot more control over the content you have. Usually these subscription strategies start out very enticing at first giving you lots of stuff at cheap price, then once they control the users, they rise the prices up until people start cancelling if that ever happens

[@geepike]

@@finesseandstyle You guys raise some solid points. I’m not trying to naysay or argue. (Especially regarding people without income enjoying the low rates, etc. I agree these services on many levels are GREAT for fans! I would recommend a Steamdeck over any other console, and Steam sales all year are insane btw! 0 subscription $ required) But just want to point out, prioritizing “forgotten cancellations” and “enticing” only to give less over time… is at worst abusive to fans, and at best manipulating them. Nintendo and Sony aren’t perfect but have been going strong a LONG time mostly by just giving good quality service and product. Microsoft has done some amazing things innovation wise, but has been losing & pulling wild card moves forever because they are so anti-fan in their practices (which also bled over into the major studios. There’s a documentary thats like 4hrs on youtube thats great at explaining it all) Trying to keep it short as possible, compare the outcome of the release of “Elden Ring” vs Blizzard’s fan response to their mobile Diablo game, then Diablo 4. Fromsoft had killer sales on a “challenging” game, and fans are STILL thrilled with the game and company…will throw $ at any project they do next. Blizzard probably made stupid crazy $, but is gonna lose tons on whatever they do next because they pissed people off who won’t come back. (Not saying they CANT make insane profits, Im just stating that they lost a huge chunk of their fanbase. Its just not smart business, and that kinda crap is why all these massive businesses are also losing $ and having massive layoffs too. Buying up IPs and laying off workers. Its shameful)