Greedfall Review - Is this one of the great RPG's?

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[@70mavgr]

Having played Spider's previous rpg (The Technomancer) the step up in polish and gameplay mechanics in Greeffall is more than noticeable. For a small studio with limited manpower and funds the final product is very good imho. Considering what we got from some AAA, filthy rich studios in the last couple of years... I hope Spider continues to build up their know-how.

[@WorthABuyreviews]

Borderlands 3 up next, 2k refused me a key, just bought it from GMG :)

[@tannerhill9648]

When do you plan to release a review of that for such a large game. Will you be covering the NG+ features or just the basics?

[@tianx9275]

Stupid EPIC exclusive. Will see how the reviews come out before I get it months later on a better platform.

[@WorthABuyreviews]

@@tannerhill9648 Review will probably be Sunday evening, it's a 30 hour game and a 56gig download (currently on 5%) So am not sure how far I will get.

[@B1Showharu]

Waiting for your lovely opinion before I get it have fun😃

[@Charok1]

never buy directly from Epic. I bought Ashen (which was crap and Epic refunded it) and then my card number was used by a thief. GMG had Greedfall for %35 off (two discounts added up) during E3, so I did the rare thing and bought a pre-order. It is worth what I paid, hahahaha. It bides me over until the great Outer Worlds.

[@funkp0wer]

Who’s here for PlayStation plus? “Casual Alcoholic” 😂

[@bakurawthesupersaiyanhair937]

@Arthur Morgan it's a bit too clunky, but I'd choose to play this over valhalla 😅

[@cymruambyth7758]

@@bakurawthesupersaiyanhair937 Valhalla is better than this shite

[@WorthABuyreviews]

Summary Some will love it some will hate it, at times I loved it but most of the time I was just left shocked at how bad certain elements have been handled, I show most of them in ths video and for me they pretty much ruined my fun. It's almost like the devs did not know how to make certain aspects of the game work properly, either that or they just ran out of time and said, that will have to do. If you have not played the old great RPG's then you may be more forgiving than I am but for me games should be getting better due to the technology we have today but sadly they are getting way worse.

[@TheSukairah]

The rmgreat rpgs you listed are just sandbox games. I'm a bioware fan I like story telling great allies romances. Things to actually put me in the world. Not just be the hand of god guiding it.

[@grimly105]

I totally agree. I thought the exact same thing.

[@TheSukairah]

Please dont think I'm hating cause I respect you alot I even stayed through the reactionary flood you had going but awesomely told fuck off. Just I think there are 2 types of rpgs sandbox like morrowind and bioware's mass effect type. Although you did say baldur's Gate so yeah.

[@knightstemplar955]

Be great If Morrowind Was Remade! The Last RPG I enjoyed was Kingdom Come, Today's RPGs have Dropped so Low in Standards and Generally Feel Lazy. The thing that Pisses me Off is the Younger Generation are to believe That they Are Top Quality RPGs.

[@adam_torvill]

Do borderlands 3

[@bobbywhite1645]

No microtransactions or anything tho? No gear real money purchases or xp boosts? I didn't hear Mack mention it so I assume its not there. Thats worth a few points in my book.

[@Montyandrew45]

None of that in the game. You buy the game and that's what you get

[@AlexRodriguez-pm4fp]

@Mike Watts sad that we have praise games that dont have microtransactions

[@billybobjimmyjobjr]

@Mike Watts exactly this should be the expectation

[@gusty9053]

@Mike Watts tell that to EA or Ubisoft just for a start :). They wouldn't sale you a complete game and/or without some kind of "surprise mechanics" if their life depended on it.

[@DanielJ95.]

It’s sad that we have to praise games when there’s no microtransactions now

[@ameliaward7429]

You talk about Witcher 3 like it's an old girlfriend that had you whipped.

[@CommanderLongJohn]

He shat on W3, and tbh rightfully so because it's probably the most overrated video game in history.

[@Sneaky1ne]

the combat really got to me finally, it's too clunky for me to be into it anymore, I did finish main quest and blood and wine first tho

[@helmbreaker8622]

@@CommanderLongJohn The game play was mediocre but the story and side quests are amazing man

[@MrFallenone]

Playing any Witcher game for the combat is like drinking to get hangover.

[@CommanderLongJohn]

@@helmbreaker8622 Yeah it had a good story. If that's really all that matters they should've just turned it into a cinematic movie =/ I've played the full game and just thought the whole thing was mediocre. The books are a much better experience, just like the GoT books absolutely whip the piss outta that wretched show.

[@Hepburner]

It's the best AA game I've played in a while. Not a loot-box in sight either! This feels like a game from years ago before it all went to shit. And I like how your character is important and authoritative right from the start rather than a typical RPG scrub from a broken home with some dumb prophecy they're destined to fulfill. I hope we see a Greedfall 2, really do.

[@mikaelhauk]

The game has issues, but I'm having a blast playing it. I'm playing a one handed sword, gunner and traps guy which is a lot of fun. Very dynamic and versatile build. You have to remember that this is a game made by a team of 45 people. Maybe they should have priced it a bit cheaper, but I still think comparing it to The Witcher 3 is a bit unfair. If you like euro RPGs like Gothic and Risen, and you can handle some clunk, then give this game a go.

[@jeffvella9765]

@Blue cigar Gaming The game is not worth the price atm, what would you have him do? LIE? Witcher 3 is not the greatest game ever(I finished it), I mostly remember Gwent from it and that proves that the card game in witcher 3 was a better game-play mechanic than the game.

[@Cenot4ph]

@@jeffvella9765 gwent? I liked almost everything except Gwent. Again, opinions mate.

[@Alexander-zt9kz]

@@MyAmvList 6 hours in and haven't noticed any of the issues you're experiencing.

[@mikaelhauk]

@@MyAmvList Sounds to me like you have a driver issue. Anyway I have had zero problems with Greedfall thus far, and I like their previous games. Mars: War Logs and Bound by Flame in particular. Different strokes, dude.

[@jeffvella9765]

@Blue cigar Gaming Yea i was not clear enough. "witcher 3 is one of the greatest rpg's ever" it is NOT that. Gameplay in that game is broken AF. AI is horrible. = challenging only because of how clunky it is and not because the game is good in that regard. This is not subjective, it is a well known issue. it makes that game lose the spot of one of the greatest rpg's ever. The story and exploration pushes it forward to a good game, but that is it. You might feel it is a better game than it is, but from an unbiased perspective, it is simply not. I enjoyed that game for what it is but I am not blind of it's issues. Gwent is good because of how well the cards were placed in the game, making them well paced and keep you on your toes to find them all. Pacing is one of the things Witcher 3 did well. You felt that you earned the right to win the gwent games. About this game, "made by a small team" means nothing when it comes to wrong pricing. It just proves they did not have a marketing department that should have studied how wrong pricing a game could literally kill it. The game is simply not worth the asking price. It is a nice effort by a small team that is ruined by asking too much on release for the product. If they really needed money that badly they should have released it with a discount for the first week or something, to increase sales.

[@azaph_gaming]

I'm not sure if forcing developers to play Skyrim and Fallout 3 would "make RPGs better"...

[@CommanderLongJohn]

Well if they played them and actually took notes, it would show them what true and good RPG's are and how they should make them. At the very least it'd make them rethink what they should label an RPG..

[@mikaelhauk]

I doubt that too. Make 'em play Divinity Original Sin 2 or Tyranny instead.

[@sambone2809]

@@mikaelhauk For anyone who read's this, HumbleBundle is having a sale where Tyranny is $1 in a bundle right now.

[@Batumtl]

@@sambone2809 Where can I find it?

[@milesjazz9957]

Yeah,but he makes a good point. Respect to the devs,as they seam to be getting closer. You can tell their budget was tight, and that they tried it on with the price.

[@ploppyploppy]

Kingdom come would be a good guide for rpg developers.

[@andylai-fz6uc]

@Gaymar Omar most of the game was literally patched in the first two months. sounds like the game was too hard for you.

[@ardi.wibowo]

@Gaymar Omar nobody had any difficulty with lockpicking anymore now that the game is throughly patched. It's a good game, just maybe too much for you.

[@ardi.wibowo]

@Gaymar Omar yep, fixed almost everything. I still do have some problem with armor clippings but that's about it, nothing game breaking. Played it like 3 months ago.

[@jennycrossdress8500]

Honestly nah. Sometimes making things SO realistic and historically accurate is not a good idea. The game , combat , the characters. Realistic, but they forgot about the fun aspect..

[@Pmurder3]

@@jennycrossdress8500 Just because something is not of your cup, doesn't mean it's bad. And KCD is far from realistic, it's just focusing more on the immersive historical and medieval aspects.

[@mogensblenner6519]

No mention of Kingdom Come as top RPG, my bell rang.

[@XxWolfxWaRioRxX]

Don't make me laugh

[@Xxgameboss702xX]

That game is ok, but define what good enough to hang with it's better brethren therefore no need to mention 💯🙅‍♂️

[@Xxgameboss702xX]

Definitely

[@Xxgameboss702xX]

Wasn't

[@WellPlayedDetective]

KCD really was an amazing RPG

[@BGP369]

"because i'm a normal guy", said the guy who frequently throws innocent bells across the room.

[@Snout007]

Was waiting for this review. Mack just says everything you need to know about the game without focusing for 20 minutes on random, pointless nonsense. Great review.

[@ironfist452]

could not agree more!

[@Snout007]

I watched few reviews and they had the same verdict as mack, that it's not great but also not bad either. So I am sure you can find someone saying that it's great, but that doesn't change anything. Clearly it's not a game for everyone, not for me at least.

[@SeanDlrishBastard]

@DevilTrigger How can you be wrong with the review???

[@abc4781]

Lol you really put a lot of stock in another man's opinion. Don't you have one of your own?

[@johndee7124]

@DevilTrigger hahaha I'm sorry but karak has been mostly a yes man since a few sponsor deals going back a few years ago.. if he is told not to put a game down he often delays..or he reviews in a sly way where he hypes it up for 25mins then tells u at the end quickly it isn't so good.

[@Whippets]

Having watched Mack's video here and perusing the comments, I'm wondering what the definition of an RPG really is --- at its core. To me it's simple, your "character" (as in attitude, morals, demeanor, etc.) is determined by your decisions/dialogues --- and there are CONSEQUENCES. I haven't finished the game yet so I'm not sure about the real impact of my decisions, but I'm happy so far with my ability to choose ... and placing you in the position of a diplomat trying to juggle the various interests of different factions/nation states seems like a great setting for that dynamic.

[@user-dj6sk2uo8g]

2019, a SINGLEplayer rpg comes from an smaller studio, that tickles so many Bioware feels and you downvote it. Damn. :/ Having my fun with it, 34 hours in.

[@OrphanCrippler1]

Its a bad fuckin game lol

[@OrphanCrippler1]

@@carbagehealth9634 its uh, a lot of people's opinion. Go play the game and read the reviews lmao. Its empty, low effort, generic garbage.

[@Whippets]

You're being overly harsh --- and I would rarely say that about your reviews. They're a dev team of like 20+ people with a small budget --- compare that to Bethesda's budget and manpower. Sure the game has a number of issues (no bugs though, compare that to Bioware and Bethesda), but it also has a lot going for it. Besides, it really scratches the RPG itch at a time when there isn't much out there. Comparing this game to the Witcher 3 is totally out of line --- oh and regarding travel, it reminds me a lot of DAO and that isn't a bad thing.

[@alexjohn2472]

How does the size of a game dev team affect how fun a game is to actually play?

[@Nattfare]

It affects how they decide to make the game. It 's a small studio with very little funds. They wanted to focus on story and have everyting voiced. That means cutting corners in other areas of development.

[@Pand0rasAct0r_]

You did forget to mention that it was made by a small team of developer that have no wear near the funds or staff to pull this off. But what they made is still pretty impressive. I agree on everything you said though. Would give it a 7 myself. Not bad for a small indie team

[@ZiggyTheAdventurer]

the size of a team has no bearing on if a game is good or bad. especially when they're charging AAA prices. then we expect AAA quality

[@Pawn2e4]

Remember that Kingdom Come: Deliverance was also made by a small team with a small budget. Their game also released for a few quid cheaper. If you compare it to that, Greedfall seems... lacking.

[@spartanbeef9491]

@@Pawn2e4 I honestly thought that KC:D had a lot of the same issues as Greedfall. Tons of graphical glitches(Character models not loading, textures not loading, distorted faces, better lipsync than greedfall but still not great), some very questionable voice acting and writing in parts(Other parts nailed it though) and plenty of bugged quests, misplaced collision, broken AI, etc. I got pretty much exactly the same feeling from KC:D that I get from greedfall-A game with a lot of heart, made by a team who wanted to make an awesome game, but didn't quite have the resources or experience to fully realise their vision. I can't deny that KC:D was more reasonably priced for the level of polish it offered though.

[@Pawn2e4]

@@spartanbeef9491 I honestly don't think the bugs are Greedfalls problem. The game just feels underwhelming, like you're playing an inferior version of another game. It's... Forgettable. That could never be said about Kingdom Come, it offered something new and appealed greatly to hardcore role players. Some will consider Kingdom Come their favourite game, I can't imagine anybody saying that about Greedfall. Perhaps a sequel will be better! I wasn't a big fan of Witcher 2 either.

[@ZiggyTheAdventurer]

@@spartanbeef9491 KCD was an amazing game that easily drew you into their world. I logged 1325 hrs into that game and I'll still play it again. but Greed Fall, 23hrs and I absolutely can't stand it. the more I play it the more I dislike it

[@Xiaoxiao738]

If it was cheaper I'd consider it. But its $69.95 AUD. Way too much for a game of this quality.

[@Xiaoxiao738]

​@Grant Eventyr I would pay $70 for any game that is polished doesn't matter which company made it if I watch a review and it looks polished, $70 is fine. But this game is not polished. If you charge over $50 you can't have lip-syncing issues and the all the other basic issues with this game. I'm not saying it is a bad game I would like to play it but for me with all those issues that Mack mentioned makes me not want to spend 70 bucks. For me, $70 is a polished game.

[@yeah_yeahwhatever]

70? That's not the game's fault. That's a crappy currency and economy. I paid 50 and would've paid 60. Enjoy your microtransactions on borderlands3. 6 years and it's just like borderlands2? Dert.

[@Q-gf8vb]

@Grant Eventyr I can buy Trails for half that price and get more than 100 hours of gameplay. Yawn.

[@nickking9568]

Why are games so much in Australia?

[@jjjjjj9410]

@@nickking9568 dont know tbh

[@seymourbucks8746]

Its Dragon Age Light.. Its not a bad RPG but its not going to set it apart from anything we have already played before

[@Montyandrew45]

I enjoyed it, but I agree. Its very similar to Dragon Age Origins. Or KoToR

[@PhajEsTeeb]

That's why I'm skipping it. Waste of my time..lol

[@mhinkle82]

When is the last time you played an RPG as good as DA Origins or KoToR though? These type of games are few and far between so I think a slightly inferior version is still worth playing.

[@mck7646]

This developer continues to pump out mediocre games, people are curious what they'd do with a bigger budget but I wouldn't hold out much hope. They put in a lot of things we've seen time and time again, a bigger budget won't necessarily buy better and more creative gameplay.

[@astonmartin8537]

Depends on which Dragon Age game you talking about. Second one was pretty bad..

[@jaenpretorius]

I went into this game with low expectations because I knew it wasn’t going to be a witcher 3 or dragon age origin. But I have to say that I can’t stop playing. I’m really enjoying it. If you turn your brain off and ignore the horrid lip syncing and go into this game with low expectations then I think you will really enjoy this game.

[@ExilSvensk]

The problem is the price, you shouldn't have to go into a game with low expectations for that price. If it was 20 bucks then sure.

[@truepatrician4700]

So glad you said dragon age origins instead of the awful 2 or inquisition fuck those games

[@jaenpretorius]

The price is fair in my opinion. I had fun with it and it took me 50 hours to finish it.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Same here. Spiders is only a AA studio, so I wasn't expecting an Earth-shattering game, but it was a solid game that I felt was worth the money I paid. This is definitely the best game from this studio, & hopefully a sign of great things to come.

[@gxsgdhdhrgdhfhdrdhjdhjtfd]

> Unironically telling people to play Fallout 3 and not New Vegas

[@alexanderpippington9277]

Fergus Rhodes Too True

[@xMTxcameron]

I preferred Fallout 3 way more than New Vegas, still a good game though

[@gxsgdhdhrgdhfhdrdhjdhjtfd]

@@xMTxcameron Fair enough, but Mack was talking about games that do player agency well. And in that regard, New Vegas is objectively better than Fallout 3.

[@alexanderpippington9277]

Cameron Kirby - If you enjoy an Interesting and diverse world then fallout 3 is a good one however when it comes to role playing ability then fallout new Vegas is where it’s at

[@Snout007]

+Cameron Kirby Replayed fallout 3 with mods last summer. Was extremely immersive and fun. I liked it more than the newer ones. So many interesting side quests.

[@SolaireGamingPT]

"Has all the right ingredients but the cook did not know how to use them"...or in the wise words of Gordon Ramsay: "IT'S FUCKING RAW"

[@VolcanicProtectorMan]

Wasn't this game only made by 20 or 30 people?

[@dumptruck5138]

I dunno was it?

[@KlR0V]

30 up to 50 depending on the stages of development.

[@R3in_Ch]

@@KlR0V he was talking about THIS gamr

[@KlR0V]

Venom Art So am i

[@CultGeek]

So? Smaller teams have made better games.

[@christinehede7578]

Instead of continually going back while in combat you could try circles or even using stasis and moving behind the enemy.

[@razorblazor571]

10:40 at least old Meg is in the game

[@oppressedgamer5599]

I've been playing it ever minute I haven't been at work or sleeping and I just can't get enough.

[@mikaelhauk]

Same here. I think it's the setting that does it for me. It's very original!

[@korky7775]

Love the game been playing for about 10 hours or more and still getting to grips with it...superb game..

[@Claude-Eckel]

What about Big Bad Wolf's "The Council"? Would like to know your opinion.

[@milesjazz9957]

Love your explanations of immersion,consequences of stealing, an what to expect in RPG,s. Might wait for deep sale

[@solitaryangel722]

When you said playing Bethesda titles first to learn immersive RPG stuff I laughed. I remember joining the Fighter's Guild and the mage's guild then stealing everything and selling it, coming back to steal some more right in front of guild members and no one batted an eyelid. Yes Witcher 3 let's you rob people's houses and Fallout/Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim did not but they did allow guild halls to be ransacked with no consequences whatsofuckingever. I wonder how many ex - Bioware people worked on Greedfall, it does resemble their work, not as polished because of limited budget of course but in spirit it does feel like a Bioware of old title. I think I'll wait for a Steam sale on this one, that price seems way too steep.

[@lewisconnor2820]

Solitary Angel No Ex-BioWare Developers worked on this game, They made their own studio Archetype Entertainment.

[@tomgibbons2395]

Your intro is one of the creepiest things I've ever heard in my 30 years of living 🤣

[@jose26]

Was waiting for review. Thank you!

[@merwindor]

Makes Oblivion facial animations look top notch by comparison.

[@MrJustsaysean]

I think FNV had better rpg elements than FO3. But FO3 had a way better environment.

[@epicgeezr]

Yep all this

[@chikuman6224]

i played FNV first, then i thought = "what a mindblowing game this was oh wait, what the hell would be fallout 3 like?" immidiately got fallout3 and was disappointed heartbroken shocked, couldnt even get past the initial stages of the game it was so bad.

[@alexoelkers2292]

yeah when he said developers need to play fallout 3 the first thing that came to mind was Fall out New Vegas.

[@turtlerides]

@@chikuman6224 well yeah the initial stages are not the greatest, but FO3 will always be on of my favorite games of all time. You really should give it another chance at some point, the first few areas are boring then it explodes. FO3 will immerse you, make you feel like you are truly alone sometimes, in the middle of an apocalypse. You have to listen to the radio w/ "three dog" to really experience the unique aspects.

[@chikuman6224]

@@turtlerides not only that, but the lack of aiming down the sight and useless dialogue choices (with no change in result) was just heart breaking

[@MoMolder01]

Liked technomancer quite a bit, this looks like a good step up. Curious what spiders would do with a bigger budget...

[@elitereptilian200]

how could you like Technomancer? granted the combat was eh, not too bad but, all the damn missions was running to B from A and then run back from B to A and sometimes multiple times over, it was horrible..

[@Xxgameboss702xX]

Continue to fail 🙅‍♂️

[@CensorshipIsAMuhDuhFuhKuh]

If you liked Technomancer then you'll like this.

[@TheRealmOfTF]

Bruh if you actually managed to LIKE The Technomancer then you're gonna love this game, and that's coming from someone who considers himself a Spiders fan.

[@calderarecords]

Would you consider trying Dragon Age: Inquisition at this stage? I reckon it's too bigger scale for you though lol

[@lloydchambers9914]

Mack thank you for speeding this time on our behalf, great review. I know I should try to comment more, the least I can do. Its good that you are well. Take care.

[@Toygains]

It’s fun. The combat works well. The voice acting is good. The missions are surprisingly deep. I’ll take it.

[@omgilovesteak6484]

Yeah. it isn't the best but i like it so far.

[@88ights]

It's a very decent rpg, I already added almost 200 hours onto it

[@imogensheep]

lol i just came back to your channel to see if you had reviewed this about an hour ago.

[@turtlerides]

Come on in, the water's fine!

[@elijahwallace5300]

Hey Mack, will you review Stellar Tactics?

[@DruuzilTechGames]

Thanks for the review Mack. I was going to grab this but I think I'll wait for the price to drop a bit, and maybe an update or two.

[@cletustrainer]

You are the only reviewer I have seen to point out the reset fault in the combat. Very nice! That kinda ruins it for me, as combat has to be on point for me to really enjoy. I hope they fix it soon for the folks who already own it. I'd buy it for about $20, and I can wait.

[@starfaker_bsc_ssc6404]

You mentioned witcher 3 so...mack,ball is on your court.Will u ever re-release,remastered witcher 3 WAB?

[@Absolite1232]

It depends, did they send you a review copy this time?

[@TinyLittleGamesTiny]

I've been refreshing your page all week waiting for this review. Let's hear the words of worth a buy.

[@mrgreen497]

I wouldn't have minded some dragon age inquisitor style mage combat, I loved the flair it had

[@truepatrician4700]

Wow hold down R2 such flair

[@ZiggyTheAdventurer]

I've been looking forward to this review, you always nail it. you are an honest reviewer that knows bullshit when you see it

[@riki6968]

How much did Witcher 3 cost when it came out? Just curious.

[@jericosha2842]

I love your delivery. It's so funny. Thank you.

[@leegriffiths8910]

I'm actually loving this game! You can't look at it as a AAA game cause its just not. Spiders has heart and soul and they actually try! They are a underdog studio and I really want them to succeed. They just need a bigger budget. This game is hands down better than Mass Effect Andromeda, which is crazy to think about 😑 Not saying this is a fact, just my opinion! Greedfall is a diamond in the rough for me 😁

[@TheSukairah]

I agree with everything other than andromeda but I also think andromeda was better than me2 gears of war edition.

[@Rastaanparta]

Well said. Spiders is one of the most underrated game studios out there. While their games have more than less stiff parts, they're always capable of bringing something exciting on the table. I'd love to see something in a smaller scale from them, although I can't really blame them for having ambition. Since Bioware is busy shoveling dirt on their coffin, there's plenty of room for western RPG developers to shine. And I'd say Spiders is one of the best out there.

[@sherr1306]

This is all excuses. "You cannot look at it as a AAA game" when it has AAA pricetag.

[@leegriffiths8910]

@@sherr1306 but it dosent? I'm in UK and bought it for £40 without any discount. That's not AAA pricing, nor do they have 20 special editions of the game getting more pricey. (Okay, 20 was overplaying it) how can you knock a small studio of 15 people? You can tell they are passionate, one price no mircrotransactions. We should be championing this instead of buying games by money hungry studios. I'd rather buy a game like Greedfall twice than buy one game by EA, Activision and the like. Sorry for the long post but I hate how video games are going in 2019. Let's build up small passionate studios like Spiders instead of tearing them down for issues relating to budget. If you've played their debut "bound by flames" you'll see just how far they've come in only three games!

[@Rastaanparta]

@@sherr1306 Then again, most of the people are more forgiving to triple A titles for their flaws. Looking at you, Bethesda. And I'm fairly sure GreedFall will drop its price soon after the launch. Besides, consumers are loving GreedFall, currently with mostly positive reviews on Steam.

[@gtfomyeggs]

Despite how much hate games like this get they're my guilty pleasure. Personally think this is a solid RPG.

[@BGIANAKy]

Because you have low standards.

[@varangianrider1643]

@@BGIANAKy And for you the high standards are Skyrim, I suppose?

[@BGIANAKy]

Varagian Rider Skyrim is extremely overrated. Only thing that made that game good is mods. Probably one of the worst and outdated combat systems I have seen, even when I played it on day one. Recent games I played that were pretty great RPG wise were kingdom come and divinity original sin 2. Probably one of the best RPGs I’ve played is Witcher 3 though.

[@liamsmellykelly]

Mac are you going to do a WoW classic review? Cheers

[@petrofsko]

Just love that end tune 🎶

[@ysius]

You're the only youtuber I have my notification bell activated for.

[@AnishChari]

Ding ding ding ding!

[@stormhammerx]

Divinity Original Sin 2 is the gold standard of the RPG genre. You can tell just by looking at Greedfall it doesn't have half the charm or even the quarter of the depth that DOS2 had. Damnit, that game has spoilt other RPGs for me!

[@R3in_Ch]

not many ppl mentioning this game, why its so underrated!

[@MegaCygnusX1]

One is isometric and turn based, one is real time and 3rd person. You're comparing apples to oranges. Agreed that DOS2 is the pinnacle, though.

[@TheRealmOfTF]

@@R3in_Ch Because the majority of RPG gamers don't care much for isometric games. Most of them grew up playing games like Oblivion, Mass Effect, Skyrim, The Witcher 3 etc. and prefers third person games to the isometric viewpoint. Plus, D:OS2 can get a little heavy unless you're REALLY into RPGs.

[@MagiofAsura]

Dos2 is amazing. I dont even know how Larian studios did this with the KS budget. (Clearly they had other financing) I remember one mission you chose to let some fer assassinated and the person ran off when my wife turned it in. Then I was there standing next to the target and the assassin came up moments later and shanked them in their bed. Dunno why I was impressed with that detail. Cant wait for baldur's gate 3

[@landry6788]

DOS2 is an amazing game but it kind of force you to grind (focus on random side quests) in order to progress; which ruin the immersion for me. Age of decadence, the Shadorun trilogy or Spiderweb games are what I'd call real (isometric) RPGs: totally immersive.

[@jankfloyd158]

Thorough as always! Appreciate it

[@tophyy906]

is this any better now? its on gamepass and im wondering

[@luisseph6348]

The Witcher 3 cost 84 millions with 200 people in a 5 year game development. This cost what,5 million with 30 to 50 people in a 2 and half year development. I agree with you on most of negative stuff but people need to give a break on small games from indie devs.

[@WorthABuyreviews]

Not when they charge the same price for the same type of game.

[@luisseph6348]

@@WorthABuyreviews Its not the same price for me 50 euro compared with The Witcher 3 60 euro....and it should have been 40 but since they call it a Double A game 50 is the price tag.

[@XxWolfxWaRioRxX]

Couldn't agree more I hope spiders continue to grow they really do care about what they make regardless of limitations

[@LordSquirrelShow]

12 hours in and I'm still loving it. Spiders knocked it out of the park and it's well worth the price.

[@Choteron3]

Yes! i was waiting for this review

[@paulmanning4901]

Been waiting for this review . Thanks

[@reue1575]

It's always funny when mack cites games like FO3 and Skyrim as examples of good rpgs when they consolized the fuck out of rpgs and basically ruined the genre from about 2008 onwards.

[@Deltium5683]

really appreciate your honesty and critical view; so many fanboy KZbinrs out there. thank you.

[@B1Showharu]

01:20 *In fear* You stay away from me and that hill.😂

[@edejor]

Been waiting for this all week.

[@S1030dan]

How old are Gothic 1 and 2 now,yet they are still kicking the ass of any new cRpg that comes out.

[@SurvivalGames1]

nearly 20 years

[@Pl4sm0]

Finally....let's hear the words and the bell of Mack :D

[@siersciuch07]

The part with the director saying 'cut' made me laugh so hard.

[@ivicas.4042]

is this game any good and worth to play?

[@gibbsi7990]

I disagree with mack here. Bethesda rpgs/old school bioware are one type of rpg. Rpg just means you play a role in the world with stats and levels, nothing to do with stealing things in people's houses with consequences. Bethesda games have many many issues that aren't present in other rpgs and shouldn't be held up as a guide for all others made in the genre.

[@Whippets]

Besides, most houses in this game have nothing to steal at all --- it isn't like Skyrim where everybody keeps their fruits, vegetables and meat in a barrel.

[@filipealves77]

And yet, despite their issues, nothing gets me as immersed in a game as playing a Bethesda open world (fallout/Elder Scrolls) game.

[@ProbablyDante]

@@filipealves77 Truly said

[@lightness7670]

The core idea of an RPG is that YOU create a character and YOU are the character, in witcher 3 you are GIVEN this character and you play the ADVENTURES of the witcher, he has a pre determined past, motives and characteristics hell in witcher 3 you even have pre set friends. One way to bypass this is by giving player the choice of freedom like in Fallout 3 in which they can choose their childhood or in Octopath traveler in which you can choose between multiple characters with different back stories and motives (although it still does force you to some extend)

[@si_w8201]

Respectfully disagree. I see comparisons with Risen 3 and Elex, so this will do me fine. I'll easily get 44 hours out of this, probably more, so for me it is very much worth the price...

[@oliath]

Elex was incredible. I didn't expect it to be either. Really caught me off guard

[@KlR0V]

44 hours of reused assets and invisible walls sounds pretty cheap to me.

[@si_w8201]

@@KlR0V Two things: 1. It's a team of 30 people, so you should be a little more forgiving. 2. It's still a great game and those things really bother you, then play something else.

[@KlR0V]

SI_ W No, i shouldn't because they want 50 dolars for it. The fact that you're mentioning that as an excuse for its quality is because you acnowledge it is cheap and lazy. A "bad" game doesn't become "good" depending on the number of developers. Anyways is up to you if you feel like spending 40+ hs in a repetitive and dull world with no enemy variety.

[@si_w8201]

@@KlR0V I already did, thanks. I don't need enemy variety. I'm ex-military and the one thing I never heard was "I wish we had more variety of enemy..."

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

I always think of the BBC Office when the music comes on at the end of your review. Maybe its just me.

[@misapheonix]

Anyway, how's Borderlands 3, Mack? Gotta admit, it's the 2nd game I've bought on launch this year lmao, dunno if it's worth AAA pricing yet (only a few hours into it) but should be worth a video

[@philomathist6899]

Pretty. sure this is a AA game there needs to be a completely different grading system for AA and AAA games. From everything I can see it seems like a pretty good game.

[@idaofficial1173]

I love it when a small team creates something great, just to show you that these AAA companies are lying when they say "we had to downgrade because it's just too difficult to make the game more complex, graphically beautiful, etc."

[@spartanhuntergaming]

I’ve been playing this it’s fun with some of the things been a little confusing like that mark on your characters face guess I have to find out. I like the fighting with a one hand sword fencing rolling around

[@outrunner3399]

Mack, should I buy The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion for about 5 dollars, and Fallout 3 or New Vegas for about the same price? Played Skyrim and I loved it but I'm afraid they are a little too old graphically...idk, I've heard good things about them and for the price they are tempting...

[@leemeerun8422]

The lack of enemy variety was a problem for me otherwise must buy

[@Tortuosit]

Hahaha, your old Witcher 3 trauma about stealing stuff in every house.

[@uspatriot6414]

Before I buy a game I come to see if you did a review on it first. Love your content and humor throughout. You are very thorough and I mostly agree with what you say. The only difference is I like magic in games (referencing Total Warhammer review) and you said you didn't so I have to just be aware of your preference when I go through your reviews. As an example, I skipped this game based on your review. Please keep up the great work.

[@RomanowRomanow1]

Is this like gothic 3 or risen 3?

[@Rogue615]

Damn Mac why you gotta rain on my parade I've been excited to get this game and all the other reviewers give it around a 8 or so but I know like always I'm gonna agree with you on almost everything and it's gonna be underwhelming. Sadface

[@milanjudak7574]

Skyrim?FALLOUT3??? Mack! What in sweet heaven were you playing? Thouse are the most waterd down "RPGs" out there

[@SrChalice]

And the worse

[@teresazbikowska7094]

What are the best?

[@milanjudak7574]

@@teresazbikowska7094 fallout new vegas,morrowind heck even oblivion was still had decend writing

[@chainerscalleri6931]

Great review Mack!

[@mrfrenglitch3278]

Im liking this game a lot personally. And I have played many many RPGs. But I wasnt expecting much of this game when it came out, so I got pleasently surprised. And the best thing about this one is that its unique compared to other RPGs. I think its a good buy. Atleast get it on sales if you're not sur now

[@452xi]

Isn't this game a AA game, it's a bit unfair to compare it to a AAA game like The Witcher 3 plus that game was a masterpiece so its pretty hard to match or surpass imo.

[@Adumb_]

The problem is it's the developers tried to make a game on the scale of a AAA game yet they are not a AAA studio.

[@mikaelhauk]

I don't really think they did. It's fairly modest in terms of game systems.

[@Mockingbird7504]

I'm playing on PS4pro and the characters sort of tremble or jiggle during the cutscenes like they all have Parkinson. I don't see any of that in your footage. Was it done on the PC? Anyway, thanks for the review. I was a big fan of the Technomancer, so was quite hyped for this.

[@triniking1234]

So it's The Technomancer 2?

[@steve_o734]

Playing the Witcher right now (for the second time after 4 years) it's an amazing game! for me that game destroys Skyrim and fallout any time (Skyrim combat was awful and totally not immersive ) ok , it's true that you can go in any house and loot everything you want (witch is ridiculous) but for the rest it's still the best rpg to date.

[@pingaspearce9403]

The witcher 3s combat is awful

[@soulveiw]

@@pingaspearce9403 Compared to what? Not other top RPG's like skyrim and fallout that's for sure

[@pingaspearce9403]

@@soulveiw nah skyrim is lile the og best for sure. KCD comes in a close second tho

[@moonie9000]

Imagine reviewing a story-focused game and not having a score for the story at the end, BUT you have two separate scores for the music AND sound.

[@eddard9442]

Can you swim and jump in this game?

[@eev6549]

I can already hear the bells the bells going DING DING DING for the Borderlands 3 WAB

[@Voular]

Sigh. Your opinions are not often in line with my own anymore, Mac. Also, nice pre-order hat.

[@MasterBlaster101]

Wtf you are comparing triple A to double A... It's like comparing Jaws to Sharknado... it makes no sense

[@teresazbikowska7094]

It's the same price or nearly that price.

[@Yoan_Lalev]

I expected that review. Hell yeah!

[@Christfollower89]

Glad I looked this up since I had no idea this game came out in September. Thanks for saving me $50

[@rainstorm4207]

It's a good game though

[@HM-hd7up]

I love this reviewer but ive got to say he doesnt understand what an rpg is at a fundemental level.

[@WorthABuyreviews]

Role Playing Game which means you can play the role of the character, to be able to do this effectively you need a game world, quests and combat that allow you to immerse yourself into the role of the character you are playing. I showed with video proof how this game fails at that very thing. Now over to you, I can't wait to hear your explanation.

[@spartanbeef9491]

​@@WorthABuyreviews What you're saying is true, but you also defend Skyrim, the so called "RPG" that killed the entire genre. I'd love to hear an in depth defence of the game that is in large part responsible for all the issues you rightly complain are ruining modern games. It's a double standard that I've never understood, despite generally finding your reviews accurate and insightful.

[@HM-hd7up]

@@WorthABuyreviews oh snap did not know you even replied. A bit late for a reply now I guess.

[@astonmartin8537]

Disagree with the thumb down on this one.

[@SmashingSnow]

Why?

[@dontparticipate240]

I bought it and all the DLC during the Steam Summer Sale for $20. I’d say I got a pretty good deal.

[@SulivanoTheGreat]

Did you ever play Gothic or Gothic 2 Mack? i get what you're saying about consequences, and those games do that well. I'm sure you're aware if you've played them.