Green Beret and Navy SEAL Talk About The MP7 + MP5

Don't act like you've never wanted to get your hands on one of these widely-known weapon systems. From video games to airsofting, to fantasizing, to the real thing, Mike Glover and Shawn Ryan discuss the MP7 and MP5 in short detail and what it was like carrying them overseas in a warzone. Which one would you pick up?
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[@dougbourdo2589]

Years ago my Sheriff's Dept. traded in 5 MP5's for a number of Colt M4's for our tactical Team. When they deal was done, the dealer sent a crew to our dept. There, they broke out a portable work bench with a vice. They took a Sawzall to all of the MP 5's & cut them apart simply to collect the parts saying they get more for the parts to keep older guns running than for what they could sell the used guns for. I wanted to cry.

[@look_into_it]

Just wait till they order you to start doing it to citizens…

[@skyydn9476]

Agree! Unfortunately this is the standard for most older HK guns now. Demill and sale as parts kits on the open market. ATF requires three separate saw cuts(pieces) through the receiver. Then it's just a parts kit now, but worth about $1700-$2000. A used, complete mp5 is only transferable to another LE agency or an SOT, at a value of around $800-$1200 per mp5. Very few are not demilled for parts, since the parts are more valuable on the civilian market and the mp5 has fallen out of favor for LE agencies. Very sad actually.

[@dildozer1851-]

The silver lining is that these parts kits can end up in American Civilian's hands, whereas the the SMGs cannot

[@forgenorth1444]

You can’t sell a non transferable machine gun in America so because of arbitrary laws that’s the only option

[@bryanbirney2866]

Right to my stomach, oof.. you're telling ghost stories

[@dominicbenecasa7893]

I'm 64 as a kid I saw John Wayne in the Green berets with my dad, that's all I wanted to do even to this day I wished I had. My dad wouldn't allow me at 17 to go into anything but the USAF. I was disappointed but he was a tough dad/ golden gloves champ. He raised us tough. I found out years after he died he had 11 medals in WW2 including a bronze star. He didn't want me to go through what he went through. Loved the story line by the guest as I could relate to his childhood as it was mine too.

[@georgecoull1883]

Mike Glover is one of my top 2 guests! The zombie apocalypse prep is solid 🥇

[@ShawnRyanClips]

That goes ways back!

[@georgecoull1883]

@@ShawnRyanClips oldie but goodie 🫶

[@DarkPassenger]

That was one of the first things I watched from this channel.

[@howardanderson3662]

This podcast was the first I'd seen from Glover or Mr. Ryan. Crazy how far both of them have come. Wouldn't mind seeing a 2nd podcast between the two.

[@georgecoull1883]

@@howardanderson3662 Mike has stories for days and such a thorough stud ! Between Mike Force, field craft, SRS,VE, cleared hot, Mike drop , BRCC I'd say the military content community is thriving!

[@cosmoscience2092]

Man I have to say I love and use both. If it’s a bigger map I’ll typically go mp7. They’re both great with hip fire accuracy, but the mp5 has a slightly faster ttk…

[@rocksolidhope]

This gave me a good laugh, as a fellow gamer lol

[@rexcolt7203]

haha @@rocksolidhope

[@Menox9999]

😂😂

[@bladesofglorylawnmaintenan6354]

I do love the mp 7 too… but I absolutely fell in love with the UMP40 while on the swat team here.. I don’t know why.. can’t explain it other than just pure love!! Stay blessed!!

[@100ksubsanillmakeavideo3]

Ump is my favorite too I think because die hard as a kid

[@justinmalangoni9467]

@@100ksubsanillmakeavideo3 I may be misremembering, but i thought McClane was using an MP5...

[@100ksubsanillmakeavideo3]

@@justinmalangoni9467 he is but the bad guys occasionally have unp45s with acogs on them

[@100ksubsanillmakeavideo3]

@@justinmalangoni9467 it might not of been in the first movie it's been a while but I know in one of them the dudes in the helicopter shooting down at the tunnel have them

[@natani___7666]

@@justinmalangoni9467 He’s thinking of Die Hard 4. The bad guys in that one use UMPs, specifically in the apartment shootout.

[@imtheblacksheep4792]

Definitely one of my favorite guests on your show. Really down to earth guy with a great sense of humor. Really humble as well.

[@Plumbump]

Mp7 would be a perfect weapon for a tank crewman. But, when I was in, we just ran with the good ole m9, and stored our m4s wherever we could in case of dismount. It was not very practical getting it through a hatch, even with a 14.5 barrel.

[@mikehancho2082]

Went to the Naval Special Warfare Armorers Course in Crane, Indiana. The MP5 SD is by far my favorite gun I’ve ever shot. Super quiet. Extremely stable. And accurate as hell. I was hitting targets dead center at 100 yards and i swear the metal on metal was louder than the round exiting the barrel

[@dildozer1851-]

I met with a recently retired DEVGRU (AKA ST6) dude who had spent 20 years as a SEAL. His opinion was that he liked the MP7 overall, but that it had very little "Punch". The mp7 round was designed to punch through soft armor but not make a large wound, which makes sense. He followed up by saying he preferred the Hk416 for the stopping power for the recce team he was on. but IMO the guns are apples to oranges.

[@g1llifer]

The MP7s 4.6 round was designed to penetrate modern plates.

[@floriangramsch9036]

@@g1llifernope it was developed in the 90s to punch through Soviet soft body armor

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

@@g1lliferWatch Oxide’s video on the MP7 and P90 vs Soviet body armor. The performance of PDW ammo is pathetic.

[@g1llifer]

@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive It's besides the point if it does a terrible job. That's what those rounds were designed to do.

[@g1llifer]

@floriangramsch9036 No it wasn't, designed for plates..

[@rxotmfrxotmf8208]

I served in the army for 2.5 years. Back then the Vietnam war had just ended and there were guys who were as attached to their FN SLR as I was to my M16A1. It took me a long time to realize that the best rifle is the one that a person is most familiar and comfortable with. It's like asking, "Is the orange or the apple the better fruit?"

[@longrangevoodoo4480]

We need to crowd fund Mike an MP5

[@cornbread4everyone555]

I think he can afford one bro save your wagie bucks

[@dustins.97]

@@cornbread4everyone555 if he’s half Asian and half White he’s basically a Jew with his money 😂 hes got one tucked away I’m sure unless it was lost at sea

[@dwrabauke]

@@dustins.97 or one of those infamous boating accidents.

[@dustinmatthews387]

​@dustins.4666 I'm full Asian (adopted) and I was barely able to afford my Hk SP5! I had to live off top Ramen for a yr and could only drive to and from work. No going out anywhere on weekends!

[@d.b.1176]

@@dustinmatthews387nice choice

[@Mounty621]

MP5 over MP7 all day, every day. I miss mine so much and was pissed when our SWAT team sold them off to go exclusively to 11.5” Commando rifles. They could at least have let is choose for mission specific ops, especially the MP5K’s for our scouts.

[@alu.304]

Nostalgia, Mike carried an old school M4 with a Trijicon Reflex sight on it for most of his Operational Career 🤣🤣💪🏻

[@vicdiaz5180]

Still being used today lol

[@alu.304]

@@vicdiaz5180 if it works.........👍

[@vicdiaz5180]

@@alu.304 how the saying goes…”if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” lol

[@alu.304]

@@vicdiaz5180 nope. I still got a couple of them on guns and worked at an Agency that had them. Bombproof optic👍

[@dudedog884]

@@alu.304 Stop lying dork🤡

[@petemcphee2]

I used the MP7 in the police. It is perfect as a close protection weapon. Weighing only 1.9kg with a mag of 30 4.6mm armour piercing rds. Its accurate out to 200m and with minimal kick. Fully ambidextrous controls its just a sweet tool.

[@amishdinkledork]

mp7 is dogshit, anyone with more than a few gunfights will tell u so

[@famalam943]

I always wondered why the police use this. It’s not a man stopper round, it’s specifically designed for rear echelon troops for amour penetration against soldier’s body amour… so what’s the point? How is this better than using 22lr? If anything 9mm hollow points would be infinitely better than 4.6x30… you’re really going to have to mag dump with such a tiny projectile if you want to stop someone in their tracks

[@mikedittsche]

​@@famalam943 look up what 4,6x30mm looks like when shot on ballistic gel. It leaves behind absolutely gnarly cavities because of the speed. The weapon is designed for vehicle crews which don't have the space for an assault rifle but need better performance than a pistol round can deliver.

[@Xerxes1688]

@@famalam943 It's also easier to adapt to that other subguns for people that mostly use pistols.

[@flipside21]

Really need to get Mike back. I've enjoyed every interview I've seen with him, and your guidance always produces something special.

[@CityzenDylon]

Idk what’s crazier, the CIA not having MP5s available or that there’s probably some guy in Texas that has an MP5 and could give it to Mike because he doesn’t even touch it 😂😂

[@TechMetalRules]

As a 90s kid, the MP5 SD was the coolest gun in movies.

[@nubbletv3822]

First SRS episode. This started it all. I was already watching the channel but this was so next level. I wish Shawn would do some content like he used to do every once in a while.

[@oiitzME1266]

What do you mean ? Like the tactical education stuff or?

[@kendo411]

Im wondering how are the alpacas hold up

[@BigDan7114]

Early 80’s junior high social studies class , soldier of fortune magazines. Shotgun News , all over my desk I had daydreams of MP5’s . Teacher wasn’t impressed lol .

[@Monestary_Warrior]

Haha I was the exact same kid! Except my dream gun was the Colt Commando 😊

[@WideAwakeHuman]

Shotgun News was tha shit!!!! lol

[@BigDan7114]

@@WideAwakeHuman the local Ffl dealer was so kind to us boys calling for prices all the time but our summer Haying wages got us Ithaca 37 and REM 870 at 14. The better stuff came later.

[@josephproctor690]

Mine was the M14, my Dad (Vietnam Vet 67-68) bought an M1A for me as a gift before he passed. R.I.P. Dad.

[@huh4233]

Ditto that AND "Small Arms of the World" by Smith and Smith. That's a 2 inch thick bible that needs no batteries to read.

[@bobbressi5414]

In 94 I could have purchased an integrally supressed, selectfire MP 5 for the tidy sum of four thousand four hudred dollars. Back then I considered that too pricy. Today that weapon is easily well north of forty grand......talk about regret.

[@ZombieLincoln666]

what about adjusted for inflation

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

it would be cool to see Mike on the show again. another cool guest would be Larry Vickers who was an SF guy that also deployed to Panama like your last guest.

[@mtcondie]

When I was a kid, I dreamed about sweeping catwalks, organizing Conex boxes, and standing 24-hour barracks duty. I always knew It was my destiny.

[@MuchoNoBueno]

The Mp7 is only as effective as the ammo you feed it.I would take MP7 with good ammunition over the Mp5 but it always depends on the job.Every firearm and ammunition has its niche in different types of warfare.As do explosives,finding that sweet spot is a a trial and error lesson.When you understand how explosives work you learn very fast

[@TheAnimale]

Ive heard that you can dump an Mp7 mag into a bad guy and they just zip through dont know youve been shot till you bleed out

[@dudedog884]

diFfRiNt tiPeS oF wArFaiR🤡

[@Dennis-vm6lu]

@@TheAnimale there's 4.6x30 hollow points you know

[@Davidg368]

@@TheAnimale I've heard the same but when they press the trigger 8 or 9 rounds come out ..doesn't have the mass to act like a rifle even in the higher velocities ..but chuck pressburg and Dr Gary Robert's said it did better than the 5.7 ..and it worked for a very particular role in what is was used for

[@horsemeatdingdongjr.9715]

@@dudedog884 bro can’t spell

[@johnysnoww3831]

MP5 is maybe the best looking gun ever made, so simple but so fucking cool and that red + black colors always work with each other !

[@edward1963bg]

The SWAT team of the local PD I worked for had MP-5 SD's occasionally they would at the range training or prepping for a raid, I was cool with one of the bosses so periodically I would get a chance to send a mag or 2 down range, these things were like butter, smooth as can be !! At one point our duty load was Winchester 147 grn Subsonics, Literally the things were so quiet the sound of the unlocking & locking of the bolt was louder than the shot being fired !!!

[@robba8779]

The two best quotes of this conversation - 1) " I've never killed a bad guy with it." When that's your rating scale, you know to sit down, shut up and listen. 2) "It is pretty fucking cool looking; you know that's half of it." Fabulous.

[@smithnwesson990]

Been here since the beginning. Shawn your platform is taking off. Great job

[@sandraa.lelacheur3001]

I was raised hunting & Fishing with my 5 ( not all living now ) brothers. They told me if I couldn’t do what they couldn’t… run w/them. Farm background/ Farming Community. I developed a deep respect and luv for guns. I used many… foreign and domestic . Note: Shawn all your podcasts are phenomenal. This podcast was particularly special. I luv you and Mike sooo much. Here’s to lifelong friendships. Much Luv, Sandy

[@brokenwrench404]

I could listen to these two kicking back shooting the breeze for hours

[@Mphonik2013]

I was lucky enough to have taken a few classes with a Marine who was a Carlos Hathcock Award Winner. He is number 2 on the list after Hathcock. Super nice guy with a great sense of humor.

[@NoCoverCharge]

Used to carry a MP5 with suppression in battalion when we did special ops … 30 rounds on full auto takes about 1.5 seconds

[@DickTahshon]

“ You’ve known me since I was a kid! “ “ I’ve known plenty of killers since they were kids “

[@alexmh6131]

Pretty cool looking, that's half of it! A man after my own heart!!! Aesthetics are everything, why have an ugly gun when you can have a cool gun, they both do the same thing regardless. I've heard people are not a fan of the Vector, but using the BB version, it's ergonomics are so damn nice. The MP7s grip seems slightly chunky and it puts me off a little, where the MP5 has that more typical grip wich seems a lot more comfortable.

[@driverjamescopeland]

I don't think I've ever met anyone who doesn't like an MP5, with regard to functioning with its intended purpose. On the flip side, I have never seen a more divided group of opinions, than those who've actually operated with the MP7 and P90 platforms.

[@omarcruz8774]

I'd go with the mp5 only because there are different versions of it like the mp5k, you'll most likely find one that would suit your wants and needs.

[@deeboo1122]

God Bless u both! Thanks for all ur service

[@victorglaviano]

Still a great CQB weapon (MP5), IMHO! I personally like the MP5N model the best, but would take any model!

[@randominternetuser2888]

Y'all should have bought an mp5 in 1997 like I did... for my 21st birthday present to myself. I also admit I probably should have gotten the SD but I still have it and it is wonderful.

[@BasedF-15Pilot]

Mr. Glover is so real. I like him a lot.

[@b.l.a.c.k.s.t.a.r]

Everyone has their preference. Even if "statistically" one is better, guys will still choose one over the other simply out of "feel". It's good with my skeletal structure, it's good for the way I like to operate, I understand it better than any other weapon, etc.

[@cadian122]

The MP7 is cool... But the MP5 especially the A4 with the surefire light forend is a thing of legend ...

[@taxman121]

Someone needs to get this man an MP5 SD!

[@robinhoodloom5795]

A Green Beret taught me to control a person,with Thier thumb,n to use our thumbs.

[@columbiawarmachine9795]

I think mp 7 is awesome

[@robbyrobinson4500]

After yrs of thinking seals were the very best, I now know that the shit most kids think would make you the best is actually Green Berets. Water being owned by seals

[@CMBelite-FR]

For me navy seal seems better as they can do what Green Beret do + all the subamarine missions

[@tonychase2302]

Much respect for you Special Operations guy’s 🇺🇸

[@MrLolx2u]

I mean... There's a reason why the MP7 is loved by some whereas not liked by some and it's mostly down to logistical reasons. Unlike GBs, SEALs are mostly "infil-exfil" kinda business so they can afford to carry whatever rounds they have with them and then leave the AO. GBs on the other hand have a different operendi. They operate as an "infil and loiter" kinda deal where most of their missions require the operator to infiltrate an enemy location and either loiter around for info long enough and sabotage their operations or build up local forces behind enemy lines. Now when it comes to these kinds of jobs, GB need whatever local resources they can find and when it comes to caliber, no pistol round in the world is as plentiful as 9mm thus for the GBs that have to loiter behind enemy lines be it to "force multiply" or infiltration missions, getting the appropriate resources to use is optimal and for them, most would pick the MP5 cuz even if they're in a firefight and they expended whatever rounds they had, they can just pick up rounds from dead enemies and continue to fight till they're out of the CZ (Combat Zone).

[@acpgiga]

A whole SF career without an MP5 SD even even though it was a childhood dream...makes me rethink life 😪 ... lol ...

[@golflimaactual]

Mike Glover is awesome I’ve listened to his story about how he grew up love that dude

[@Blackopsmechanic338]

Two greats on the same stage.

[@michaeljenkins2493]

Its far superior to a handgun backup. Fits in a leg holster nicely. Its in no way a substitute to a MK18 but its far superior to a M17

[@ekuhlkamp]

Depends on the threat. Taliban? MP5. Russian contractor? MP7 - he might have armor. But for Mike, the back of his hand works great on his wife.

[@ookalar665]

why do you blindly believe his wife? women lie WAY more often about this stuff then they are truthful.

[@SXNTX]

@@ookalar665 Source for that claim?

[@larrythompson8630]

I also would love to have that MP-5SD I used to shoot. I miss that thing.

[@Drewski423]

I’d take an mp7 over an mp5 I think. Both cool weapons. I carried the mp7 exactly one time on a psd deal.

[@dougw6883]

I’ve always loved the mp5, as a kid too. I had the privilege of shooting one, and they are sweet!

[@Yaedon]

Been waiting Mike x Shawn forever!!! epic

[@ricardorivera6092]

Ty for your service

[@granitejeepc3651]

MP5SD transferrable is 50k plus----gotta sell lots of trailers for that.....but if he wants no stamp then HK94 is still about 5k

[@dustins.97]

You guys could read me your stories til I nod off at night. Adult bedtime stories. 😂 we love you guys keep posting and please stay alive. 🇺🇸

[@recondolaidy-slayer8468]

Mp5 all the way, too many cool characters have used it for me to not pick lmao

[@christo0187]

I remember running snowball raids to the big kids side of the playground in public school. Good times!

[@intricateinc8566]

MP7A1 in 4.6x30 is my favorite PDW of all time

[@kleidtomasse]

My uncle works in security and has an mp7 I had the privilege of firing and that thing is as reliable as the guy using it.. safer/dumb proof gun.. the mp5 is “easier” to use although not as smooth as the mp7, its is very usable and the difference in my opinion wouldn’t matter in a gun fight.. one of the “If I could legally own one I would buy one” guns..

[@hudson8954]

"Its pretty cool looking and thats half of it" couldnt be more right

[@zach_blackburn]

Glad this episode finally happened!

[@adamthekid3249]

Thanks brother!

[@michaelkelley9609]

Have you had or do you plan to have Derrick Van Orden on the show? Best scene in any SEAL movie when he fast ropes onto a yacht for an interrogation wearing a suit & tie under his flight suit, straight pimpin'

[@vicdiaz5180]

2 great people 💪🏾🇺🇸

[@ShawnRyanClips]

#001!!!

[@vicdiaz5180]

@@ShawnRyanClips yep I remember that episode. Keep up the great work, Shawn!

[@tundranomad]

My brother had an MP5K about 20 or so years ago. He paid about $15,000 for it, shot it for a couple years and sold it back for $20,000. It was a fun gun.

[@redlabel9294]

MP5 > MP7. Would not trade my MP5s for any MP7. But I'm a child of the 80s, so Die Hard, Under Seige, etc hardwired my ideal firearms. Live my ARs too, but would let them all go before my HKs. :)

[@righteousone8454]

You need to have him back, Shawn Mike Glover is a tactical G

[@jackland454]

This guy deserves his Mp5! Let's go fund him one!

[@gregsims6361]

Great topic, Great Show love the MP5 as well.

[@fritzd2116]

How about an MP-5 in 10mm? I knew an FBI agent years ago that was issued an MP-10, as they called it? He offered to take me shooting and try it out but I never got the chance? I still kick myself over that one.😢

[@danielh1708]

MP5/10. Guessing most of those guns were cut up for parts by now.

[@andrewpeterson549]

You need to rethink the FN SCAR VIDEO! It’s just a lot better than anything with a buffer tube !

[@pvtparts90]

Most wholesome sean Ryan thumbnail ever lmao

[@Izzyspeeds]

Loved this interview

[@braxton1098]

I’ve heard the general rule with the MP7 is “one mag one kill”. The gun just doesn’t have great knockdown power.

[@ipdjbt]

Knockdown power? Lay off the video games.

[@braxton1098]

@@ipdjbt I’ve been into guns since late 17 years old. What I’m saying is a fact. It comes from people who know guys that used it on people. Watch the 1911 Syndicate video on the MP7. That’s where “one mag one kill” comes from, you uneducated child. Also, are you saying knockdown power isn’t a real thing? I know a lot of fudds misuse the term, but that doesn’t automatically make it not a real thing. Does 2mm Kolibri have “knockdown power”? What about .338 Lapua? .50 BMG?

[@erbe9344]

@@ipdjbt that’s an actual reason some people have with it though.

[@dudedog884]

@@erbe9344 yeah and you armchair commandos actually play video games too much.

[@dudedog884]

@@ipdjbt 👍

[@ZxRiGxZ]

Yup i prefer the MP5 when in combat, in COD!

[@jerryj3047]

have had MP5 SD for a long time fun to shoot

[@nzmarkb8713]

Wish I’d never sold mine But it did fund the next big boys toy😉

[@crimsintigerx2837]

Ump 45 for the win. I view the mp7 as a unicorn and sure it's cool to have but ballistically I don't see it being much better than an fnp90 or something else

[@richardkim3652]

Someone tell his dad that he owes his son a MP5SD please

[@GabrielLoya-x4f]

I'm more of a mp5k guy myself because mp7s are unobtainium

[@maxcullen3427]

It just the memories of MP5 for Mike I’m sure childhood memories

[@barrysmith1202]

PSD= personal security detail

[@richardclary6267]

I was a backup on the Beijing Olympic team 9 times i was a 4-H National Champion and 13 times a state champion of Mississippi and I literally killed my first Buck at 10 with a FN FAL and had at my 6th Christmas a CAR-15 out of a Vietnam Colt lower receiver and parts from Shotgun News I have 2 H&K MP5 HD's I love to see people talk about cool guns and what my father had my whole life from someone born in 1986 I hate to even chime in but it's nice to see guns cool again

[@dustinmatthews387]

Ya know, Hk did release a civilian SP5.😉😊

[@ZootyZoFo]

Funny, back in my day the HK91/93 that was the dream rifle.

[@truenorth2653]

I'll take the MP12 SD. Por Favor .

[@Brees1986]

MP7 is more of a PDW, bodyguard type weapon.

[@fatdan172501]

I how highly trained pros are like “plus it’s super cool, and that’s half of it right?” And you know they are most serious. 😂

[@wearenotyourkind666]

Two of my favorite guns from COD

[@wyattterrell]

Mike glover is my spirit animal 🐉

[@ColdWarShot]

I’m curious what the combat experience is with the MP7’s round’s effectiveness on target. There’s now been enough police body camera footage of MP7s used against suspects and quite frankly in all the ones I’ve seen they come across as underwhelming and ineffective without multiple individuals mag dumping the target. If anyone has used one, in combat, in a firefight, please chime in.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

MP7 Discussion over N/A Null Ended Donezo

[@justinhaase8825]

Big Records hated the MP-3 back in the day…

[@rexcolt7203]

after the p90 the mp7a1 is my fav in rainbow six vegas :P more bullets