GREEN BERET Reacts to Bravo Two Zero | Beers and Breakdowns

What is up everyone?! Welcome to another episode of Beers and Breakdowns, where a Green Beret drinks and talks too much! In this video we react to BRAVO TWO ZERO.
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[@FNGACADEMY]

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[@homeaccount1824]

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[@Johnson11c]

Yall are doing amazing things my brothers! Keep up the great work and can't wait for the next video! Another wine and rations episode or season would be sick!

[@louisdebacco3217]

You guys need to do 6 days is about the sas going into the Iranian embassy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zny8o6J4etedZ8k

[@scruffy7760]

Btw... What are your thoughts about Swedish conscripts carrying 104kgs of backpack on a 30h march through rough terrain and then conducting live fire drills? If Swedish conscripts to become Jaegers can handle that, I think SAS can too 😜

[@MrJoeylap]

This is Andy McNab’s story on this mission. Chris Ryan was on the team and was able to avoid capture by walking to Syria. His book, The One That Got Away is his version and there is the book Eye Of The Storm by Peter Ratcliffe that touches on the Bravo two Zero mission and his opinion on what happened

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

Don't forget the book "Soldier Five".

[@SubtlyAggressive]

@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary There's also, "The Real Bravo Two Zero" by Michael Asher

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

@@SubtlyAggressive Yep, though most of the surviving SAS Operators were pretty miffed at Asher for that, still a good read that helps with some elements of context.

[@waterkaren3636]

Yep. I just wrote that out before I saw your post lol

[@Lame_Duck]

Chris Ryans book was also made in to a Movie. He himself claimed afterwards that he was tricked by the producers, as they made false promisses to him to have some influence on how the movie would be. The one that got away (1h 43min) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDXh56koM6Zj80 Chris Ryan has a camo, playing the guy taking the foto of patrol before the set off with the helicopter

[@juanbriandoyle]

A ww2 paratrooper on D Day carried 70-90 `pounds of equipment and then needed help to get into the planes.

[@FNGACADEMY]

Yea imagine 120 or whatever ridiculous number they claimed

[@PaddyInf]

The med pack thing - This would have been the patrol medic pack. SAS at the time had a highly trained patrol medic in each team who would carry a full trauma kit sufficient to stabilise a casualty and deliver a degree of basic prolonged field care if CASEVAC wasn't possible. This had IV fluids and giving sets, splints, chest drain and seals, advanced airway kit, various drugs, basic hammock stretcher etc. This was carried in a bag the size of a bergan side pouch and stuffed in the top of the pack. Each man had his own field dressings and morphine, but individual kit was really basic back then and tourniquets were still the Devil.

[@thejason755]

So was their opposition to tourniquets due to stopping blood-loss being not manly?

[@PaddyInf]

@@thejason755 Back in the 90s the use of tourniquets was frowned upon except in the absolute most dire circumstances. It was automatically assumed that once a TQ was applied then you lost the limb below the site, and only medics carried them. They were basic rubber tubes that secured with a hook. TQs only started being used routinely by non-medics in the early-mid 2000s after lessons from Iraq/Afghanistan

[@Johnson11c]

Well said

[@ja37d-34]

@@PaddyInf Yes, this. I id my service just after 8/77-ish and torniques were coming out - we receive rubber ones made from the inner things in bicycle tyres. I don´t know why they were frowend upon... Well, i do know... But it is weird.. becuase orthopedic surgery uses it and has for decades.. 2-3 hours.. What it comes from was Napoleon time wars were people recived them an then lay the for a day waiting for help... And then it was too long..

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

Read the book man, you'll feel so much better. Its funny watching GWOT vets stress about the lack of kit in 90s British army. The twenty year edition of the book talks about how different things are now, the medkits thing included 3 months late here, but Bravo 1 0 got back on the helicopter after scouting the location and realising rhey realistically couldn't do it ( big balls move). Bravo 30 took vehicles and had a lot of success.

[@jonathancathey2334]

One of the many things that this movie doesn't touch on. Is that General Norman Schwarzkopf did not trust the Special Operations community. Gen Schwarzkopf had bad experiences in Vietnam as a young officer with Special Operations. It was the British who opened the doors to Special Operations in Operation Desert Storm.

[@bravogolfoscar]

As mentioned this is based on Andy Mcnabs book Bravo Two Zero, Chris Ryan's book The One That Got Away was also made into a film of the same name.

[@RobertSmith-hr6cr]

Thank you...thank you...thank you finally somebody other than me calling Bullshit on carrying 209lbs. I am Retired Marine Corps Force Recon i can honestly say that 120lbs over even a short distance will kick your ass. So thank you for giving your actual self experience as well.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

Even the commander that debriefed them has stated that both the "Andy McNab" and "Chris Ryan" novelisations of what happened have been greatly exaggerated. I'm sure I even remember him saying, in the case of "Chris Ryan," that his evasion was such a superhuman feat in itself it didn't need any embellishments

[@aristomenismourtarakos9613]

I do enjoy yr movie breakdowns LOTS! well done guys, really. I don’t have to agree on every single thing you state, but in most, I do. I myself use to be an airborne green beret back in my military days. Anyway, let’s not forget that all we see, in every movie that you drink beer and breakdown! that it’s a (Hollywood) movie! Few scenes stand to reality.

[@nickronca9331]

Mission was FUBAR from the jump. Credit to the training of the SAS operators that anyone made it back alive. Keep up the good work. Semper Fi.

[@daijudo]

When I was in Afghanistan we regularly went on four hour patrols carrying around 50-60 kilograms (roughly 110-135 lbs) of kit plus our weapon. I guess us Brits are just built different to you yanks. 😜Just kidding. But we would rarely carry anything less than 30-40kg. The SAS/SBS are a completely different set of humans. They always do things most people find impossible. Its been proven that they did carry that ridiculous weight on that fateful mission, as they were supposed to have vehicles etc for the mission but plans changed. And iirc they moved some gear short distances and went back for the remaining gear. As impressive as that was though, IMO its nothing compared to what Chris Ryan did when he made that 200 mile walk in such dreadful conditions! Super human feat! "Bravo Two Zero" was written by Andy McNab, and he faced quite a lot of backlash for the way he portrayed his team mates in the story. Chris Ryan wrote "The one that got away" which is a far better story imo.

[@jasonblaha6169]

It was Chris Ryan who faced a lot of backlash of how he portrayed his team mates not Andy Mcnab

[@tylerfreal6472]

SF or regular infantry ?

[@daijudo]

@@jasonblaha6169 McNab has faced far more backlash over his comments over the years.

[@daijudo]

@@tylerfreal6472 Royal Engineer. I was a sapper attached to a few different infantry units over 3 tours.

[@jasonblaha6169]

@@daijudo Sorry but Chris Ryan faced more backlash . Chris Ryan put Vince Phillips in a very bad light. Soldier 5 is the best book to read about the actual feelings within the team.

[@spankinator666]

firstly, love your content. I think ive seen an interview of another SAS , where the teams had the option to take wheeled vehicles and they were the only team to choose to hump it after helo insert.

[@AGrimmLife]

I would love to see you do the last gunfight scene from Den of Thieves or maybe a compilation of gunfight scenes from different movies since some movies have them but the rest of the movie doesn’t fit the tac review criteria

[@gurugoguzhanson]

SAS Officer Gaz Hunter wrote about him and another officer being sent to train Colombian Army SF, shortly before the Desert operation. Which attributed to the bad planning for the Bravo Two Zero. The book The Shooting Gallery "A former senior NCO of the SAS, Hunter is the highest-ranking member of the regiment to tell his story yet." "A story about British foreign policy, and the secret war which has been waged against foreign threats to the British and their allies."

[@aaronsmith4940]

This film is my childhood Beg borrow and steal might as well be the SAS motto, apparently they used to haze the new guys by making them sneak into other nations barracks and steal anything and everything all without getting caught, kinov a simulation for being behind enemy lines. I heard a story of one guy going into US marines bunks and walking out with, an m4 bird cage flash hider(removed from a rifle), a single boot, 2 cantines, a thermal optic, 5 (yes 5) pairs of nvgs and a fucking stretcher, according to the guys nobody had a clue for days.

[@Malc.Mclagan]

This was one of my favourites in the day. If I remember they showed it in 2 parts on British TV.

[@user-ty5wu4js5w]

Context on the whole situation was confused due to fall-out between individuals and who’s book came out first. I believe the weight was all-up incl belt kit etc. Due to the mission constraints they had to carry in sandbags to construct the sub surface OP, plus Jerry cans for water. Hence the weight. They had no desert kit other than post WW2 mapping and smocks on insertion they found the ground was too hard so couldn’t dig in. It was later known that other patrols had aborted on insertion was they realised the missions were untenable. I think the film comment about the goat boy etc was just banter in that he was so ugly only his own kids would love him. Unfortunately some guys still had on thermals when they had to bug out so they melted then froze in the extreme wet/cold. Seemingly there was some blame thrown about for blokes being left to hypothermia, not sure what Chris R was supposed to do though. The issued PRC90 didn’t work so they couldn’t call any air or call an extraction. The real story and the one overshadowed by all the in-fighting and blame was that of Chris Ryan, the bloke walked 190miles over eight days on literal fumes. Three died, four captured and the one that got away! My old CO served and was mates with Andy Mac so I’ve listened to a few talks from him. Overall, you could say pressure to perform, ego by which I mean, as the people they were, nobody was going to say, fuck this! Combined with poor equipment and intelligence acted to work against the patrol the moment it was tasked.

[@JJAmes-mb4du]

I think most of the weight was water. The book says they took turns carrying the water. Four guys would carry, and four guys would watch out.

[@abbeynormala2291]

In the book Bravo Two Zero McNab said they pulled 1 of his teeth that was broken from being hit in the face by a rifle but or board.

[@odameclement2325]

Thanks to beers and break down , l frankly now can enjoy war movies, thanks a lot for the insight.

[@SSS-bd6li]

I was a Marine infantryman who served in Afghanistan with the 26th MEU in 2001. I weighed 185 lbs at that time. I weighed myself with full gear prior to departing from our ship. My added weight was approx. 165 lbs with pack, helmet, vest, plates, and my MK 153 SMAW w/2 rockets, M9, satchel charge, gas mask, etc. Not sure how much the pack weighed by itself, but we had so much crap we had to help each other stand up, and barely made it a 1/4 mile before having to take a break. Also our pack frames were plastic crap. Mine snapped in half and I had to ‘fix’ it with 550 cord. Anyways at 209 lbs I would have barely dragged it off the helicopter.

[@36w3s.talbot4]

Your not wrong, metal will pull your MAG north from 23-degrees. Same goes for geostructures with iron.

[@reijiminato8762]

Hey, Sean. Do you do military TV shows? I’d love for you to react to Soldier Soldier, which is about a fictional British Army regiment called The King’s Fusiliers. Having served in the Navy and looking to go back to The Life (either Army or Coast Guard for officer programs), it brought a lot of memories back for me, good or bad. Oh, and the combat scenes in B20 looked like something out of the Metal Slug and Contra video games. Cheers!

[@sevendollarshoes54]

Danger Close is a pretty good movie if you have time to do a break down on it.

[@davidearley5681]

We had individual medkits back in 1979!

[@samuelplacensia9979]

Fun Fact: Andy McNab was the coordinator that Director Michael Mann hired to choreograph the shoot out scene for the movie Heat.

[@chrisspencer6502]

This is Andy McNabb's account box head, you are correct a number of people blamed McNabb's approach to this mission

[@manticore4952]

Most of the other Bravo callsigns aborted their missions as soon as they saw the terrain. I never understood why Bravo Two Zero didn't or didn't bring vehicles.

[@ddw76y]

Great video. Is there a video for Air Force One? I'd love to hear their opinion of the opening screen of that movie.

[@thomasstanley515]

You guys should do battle feild LA

[@damndirtyrandy7721]

Bravo 2-0 also chose to go in on foot while the other Bravo 2 units chose land rovers and UTVs. This was viewed as a bad decision from the start.

[@thomaskim3414]

It’s funny because there are 2 documentaries one that talks abt Chris Ryan’s walk out the desert (No man left behind) and another that talks abt the real story on Bravo two zero called “the real bravo two zero”

[@mcalax5901]

It’s called “The one that got away” not “No man left behind”.

[@Jarod-te2bi]

9:23 I love his insight here. Yes SF are among the most well-trained able body Warriors in the world, but they’re still human beings & have been asked to much of.

[@Convoycrazy]

Would like to see a B&B of Generation Kill

[@toddjenest3212]

Time for you guys to do a debunk video in full kit and a 209 lb ruck. 😜👍🏼😬

[@cb1ryder]

You guys should review 6 Days.

[@lindaturner9806]

Have you guys done a review of the movie 12 Strong ?

[@gilly002]

I wanna know your opinion on the new movie Gray Man, with all the Gray Man shit talk you've done on the channel I find it hilarious this movie is coming out.

[@union310]

8:51 The SBS managed it and they were on land and not water. 209 pounds was on a Land Rover.

[@ejmolloy2954]

NO!!! Compass and weapon stays apart. Real world, had a SSG "trying" to call for fire. Corrections were crazy and the rounds hit randomly. Reason, he was in the prone with his compass resting on his M-4.

[@FNGACADEMY]

That’s what we were taught 🤷‍♂️ keep it away from metal

[@ejmolloy2954]

@@FNGACADEMY should be self explanatory..."magnetic" compass. However common sense is a dang super power these days.

[@84Plato]

Wasn't Andy McNab the Bravo Two Zero guy, and Chris Ryan was "the one that got away."

[@garret765]

Drinking game...every time he says "if this is real, I'm not saying this isn't real"

[@yuhaoliu7840]

Can you react to 6 days, it’s based on the 1980 Iranian embassy siege

[@cloonsy]

Sorry got to mention they weren’t dissing Ray for not killing the kid they were saying about the fact he couldn’t talk him down

[@Odessycoins]

Hey BUCK where’s episode 2 of terminal list it was awful am I right the opposite of good lol

[@gavinchia5841]

I love the respect you show and the insights taking into account how things were done back then and now. The movie was pretty crappy TBH.

[@bc8359]

There was another book written by an ex special forces reserve Michael Asher called The Real Bravo Two Zero and it's also on KZbin Bravo Two Zero the real story. Michael didn't like how the Bravo Two Zero group treated their fallen comrade and decided to find out the truth for his family and he did just that. You're right, a lot of stuff was made up, it's a good watch for taking a dump but the version of events they told during briefings to the rest of the SAS after release from captivity didn't mention anything about hundreds of troops, APCs and tanks. An SAS officer being interviewed said they would have been laughed out of the regiment if they tried to sell that to the lads. It's too far fetched.

[@OK-otic]

I volunteer to be Buck's toilet!!

[@sfoeric]

I am certain the studio behind the movie took creative liberties and made “Chris Ryan” embellish his story to make it more entertaining.

[@paulmartin6450]

Its not unusual for a brit infantry soldier to carry 143lb we carry belt kit too. So for what they had to do , the mission Pacific equipment on top would bring the weight up. The sas knowing it was to hard soon went back too ww2 tactics of using jeeps. Check out the load carried in the falklands war.

[@bcooper7618]

Aussie army the same mate.. when i deployed average pack weight was 60kg and over once you factor in all the kit. First thing i thought of was the weight the para's humped in the faklands as well.

[@ja37d-34]

On the wight carried.. Yeah I call BS on 209 pouns too.. I had one exercise - and this is EXTREME, where we were told to basically bring all our stuff plus the "platoon equipment" - ie fucking inghys, tents of all kinds plus water. the water woul not be useable in the area.. Problem was, my signalist was injured an was not allowed to carry ANYTHIGN but had the choice to go along.. Which he did... So we had to carry his shit too (he never said he had the choice t to come along which I kinda never forgave him for..) We each had 15 l of water plus 3 from him, I took his raio and an AT-4 from another guy.. My backpack, weapon and vest weighted 84kg... I am kinda thicc but short.. After about 10km I was fucking spent, destroyed... snow slate, winter, col.... We were not effective... Luckily, it was not much more than 10km to get to the OP... but I was fucking almost gone... That is the worst thing i have ever done and it was fuckign stupid.... Insane. It woul have been HELL even without the fucking signalists shit... Luckily it was a short infil an later we coul itch some shit but that was INSANE. I will never forget that and few people believe me about the load. Which I unerstand (I did not weight that much MYSELF by then I think!) Really stupid - BUT the wholeexercise was for that purpose. That the next tiem that WE get to chose what to bring, we thought about it sicne everything would have to be carrie......... So in that regard, sure, it worked out greatly!

[@chrisgenas1dal83]

Also have a look at Bravo Three Zero by Des Powell. There is a bit of cross over with the two zero and I think it added context especially when they’re all talking about how they’re gonna get (effectively) they same job done. They should defo do a remake it’s an awesome story :)

[@AGfrom83]

He was on Jack Carr's podcast a while back.

[@cyruswahogo3850]

watch long road home its really deep

[@cyruswahogo3850]

oh yeah and renegades damn

[@ja37d-34]

Yeah, I woul not jump up on the back of that bike.. Or any MC agreed. Seen the injuries...

[@damndirtyrandy7721]

I have to call our two commentators out for confusing Andy McNabb the patrol leader with Chris Ryan, one of the survivors. Look into the book, The One Who Got Away.

[@ja37d-34]

Great movie.. The stuff is probably exaggerate but.. Whatever they i, they were abdass.

[@cypher104]

“You’re gonna get shorter?” “Fuck you dude! It comes back.” Fucking comedy gold. Cheers lads, great video as always 👌

[@FNGACADEMY]

Much appreciated!

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@FNGACADEMY just sign up for your newsletter, can't wait for ruck trainer to come out?

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@FNGACADEMY love the channel

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@FNGACADEMY is the ruck trainer doing to be a weight vest ?

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@FNGACADEMY is the ruck trainer going to be weight vest?

[@malsmith9635]

The British army of the 70's 80's 90's was so underfunded regardless of SF or regulars. The amount of kit I purchased because we either didn't have it, didn't have enough or the equipment was inferior, you would not believe. Although the movie is very Hollywood, the underlying issues are very true. Fact; we went to the desert in late 70's and used maps made by a Swiss expedition in the 19th Century. Typical Brits of that era were well trained, well motivated and terribly equipped.

[@louby8973]

@snipe69 they used M16s, the SAS absolutely hates the SA80 platform, but used british machine guns

[@malsmith9635]

@snipe69 The M16 was in common usage in the SAS and infantry alongside the usual British weapon systems. The SF guys were lucky to have access to other weapon platforms although the regulars had to adopt the SA80 when it was introduced

[@manticore4952]

@snipe69 They used the C7 and then moved to the C8

[@maxcullen3427]

Still are tbh not to mention the after care veterans forced too use NHS or charities as so proud people makes it even harder

[@maxcullen3427]

@snipe69 believe it up to individual depends big style what actually mission long range CQB or just hell for leather missions

[@intricateinc8566]

I love how you said you would NOT get on the back of a Harley But you WOULD hold a bag for a man to shit in. LEGEND Buck, too funny

[@ethicalcheeze1407]

Hey man, we all got standards. They might be arbitrary and ultimately pointless, but they exist nonetheless lol

[@intricateinc8566]

@@ethicalcheeze1407 We all have our principles, standards, ethics and morals that govern our decisions you are correct. I just love watching these guys shoot the shit it cracks me up.

[@paulnguyen954]

Lmao

[@davidearley5681]

ROTFL so true!

[@joecamel328]

Interestingly there was an American SF team that got into a very similar situation with a very different outcome. The big issue for Bravo two zero is that their comms failed. When an American team was spotted in Iraq during the gulf war they had working comms. So when they started getting enemy contact they called for air support and extract. The planes dropped ordnance on their attackers and the American team made it out without casualties.

[@thesmanbrowne4561]

Agreed. I’ve read that very same account. Typical MOD giving our lads shit equipment

[@hectormartinez9657]

I remember that situation as well. Goat herders and kids always seem to find special ops guys before the actual enemy does ( American spec ops situation, this situation, operation “”red wings”.

[@bedtimestories4927]

Yes and it was very danger close CAS. The pilot had to actually reaffirm the order since he was dropping cluster and was afraid that some of it will hit the trench where the friendlies were. After the drop he actually did a couple fly overs to see if the guys were ok.

[@markwhitelaw6264]

@@thesmanbrowne4561 "Stores are for storing, not for issuing".

[@vitigaymer1053]

@@hectormartinez9657 according to the man that rescued Luttrell. The villagers knew there was a Western unit up in the mountains because the infil chopper was heard hovering too close to the village.

[@wearelegion6520]

From the Bravo 2 0 book, they were carrying 2 jerry cans of water each, plus other equipment. They would move 1 set forward 100 meters, then go back and get another set of hand carried gear and move that forward 200 meters (100 meters past the previous gear), then go back and get it and move it forward 200 meters. Basically, 2 sets of hand carried gear each, leap frogging it forward 100 meters past the previously dropped off gear, all while wearing their rucks. 2x5 gallon jerry cans would be 80+ pounds by themselves.

[@bornepatrol]

I remember that it’s been over 20 years since reading these books but do remember the Jerry cans and leap frogging now you bring it up.

[@Scott_Buchanan]

That’s brutal

[@Dano_in_Texas]

I have no military background, other than my grandfather and my dad serving in the Navy. Zero knowledge of miltary training, tactics or procedures. But, as a delivery driver who delivered everything from TVs and La-Z-Boys, to gun safes and 900lb kids backyard playsets...and everything in between...I can tell you, trying to deliver 200lbs even using a 2-wheeler (hand truck) is tough enough. Strapping one to your back and carrying it to someone's front door? Bullshit. It'll never happen. On a side note, I frequently delivered to an AFB in New Mexico. No one ever gives thought to what kind of power is built into American military weaponry. The 105 cannons in the AC-130s...just the barrel itself weighs about 1600lbs. Delivering sensors to Sierra Nevada...one of their guys told me, "Ever see those KZbin videos of Al Qaeda fighters getting blown up pieces from a gunship? These sensors are what make that possible." Those things are 400lbs, riding in the nose of the gunship. The sensors in the drones are about 250lbs. Really cool stuff in those drones...but no one carries one on their back, for ANY distance.

[@KyleJC91]

The book is so different to the movie... this was definitely stretched for Hollywood. Bravo two zero book was such a good read

[@ZAGOR64]

I couldn't agree more. I read the book long before I saw the movie and, as most of the time, the movie was a chopped-up version of the novel, with some Hollywood drama thrown in.

[@piotrpan6464]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4HIXpaVaMp0f8k Bravo Two Zero The Real Story

[@LowKickMT]

the book is already exaggerated massively lol

[@davidoconnor1773]

Wrt the weight of the packs, (i'm going mostly from memory of reading this ~20 years ago, so apologies if there's inaccuracies here) they were originally supposed to land in country on ATVs deployed out the back of a Chinook, then decided again it, I think for stealth reasons. Then, the plan with the packs was to find a suitable place to dig a camouflaged hole, and store/stage the mission sensitive equipment there. They would then recon the targets with lighter packs, and return to get what they needed (or radio to team members who'd remained at the site), and bring up the explosives, LAWs, NBC suits, and heavy machine guns to the mission site.

[@LowKickMT]

they only had to carry it for 2km though instead of the exaggerated 20km

[@HillsHaveEyes81.]

You guys need to take into account this was January 1991 and the British Army was so underfunded, the military budget back then was piss poor and guys in the SAS/SBS, Paras and Marines literally made do with f*** all, the weaponry we were being issued with back then was substandard as well as most of your kit, but the Iraq army wasn't a professional Army like ours and yours they would literally spray and pray where as we prided ourselves on staying calm and choosing our shots wisely and yeah the 5.56 vs 7.62 argument will go on forever but that was what we had and unfortunately we had to just get on with it so it was what it was for us, as for the tactics that's pretty accurate for the SAS spread out in a line and take the fight to the enemy moving forward and putting the enemy on the back foot and and when the command is given fall back and cover (4 cover 4 fall back then swap roles) but again these were different times and we were literally still in the dark ages back then and as for the 3 patrols Bravo 1 Zero landed the chopper and aborted the mission straight away, Bravo 3 Zero did pretty well and took out a fair few targets but Bravo 2 Zero was just a cluster fuck from the start.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

_Our beloved actor from Game of Thrones_ His name is Sean Bean, and he's done a hell of a lot more than that little bit part in that HBO tv show. Look up the Sharpe series if you want some lovable cheese.

[@OldRancher]

Each member of the patrol wore a two-shade Desert DPM uniform with a World War II era sand-coloured desert smock.  While the other members had regular issue army boots, Ryan (the only member to avoid eventual capture) wore a pair of £100 "brown Raichle Gore-Tex-lined walking boots." Each member carried a belt kit, Bergen rucksack, one sandbag of food, one sandbag containing two NBC suits, extra ammunition bandoliers and a 5-imperial-gallon (6.0 U.S. gal; 23 L) jerry can of water. "The belt kit contained ammunition, water, food and trauma-care equipment." The rucksack contained 25 kilograms (3.9 st; 55 lb) of sandbags and observation post equipment, seven days worth of rations, spare batteries for the radio, demolition equipment (including PE4 plastic explosive, detonators, and both Claymore and Elsie anti-personnel mines),  and intravenous drips and fluids for emergencies.  The patrol also had a PRC 319 HF patrol radio carried by Lane,  four TACBE communication devices (carried by McNab,  Ryan,  and two others) to communicate with allied aircraft, a Magellan GPS carried by Coburn,  and a KITE night sight carried by MacGown.  The total weight of each member's kit was estimated at 95 kg (15.0 st; 209 lb) by McNab  and 120 kg (19 st; 260 lb) by Ryan. McNab Phillips,  Ryan,  and Lane  carried M16/M203 assault rifles, while Pring,  Consiglio, MacGown and Coburn  carried FN Minimi light support machine guns.  Each member carried a 66 mm LAW rocket on his back.  Due to a missing shipment within the squadron,  Phillips was the only member who carried a backup weapon, a Browning Hi-Power pistol.

[@davidfinley6708]

Bullshit

[@blacksatanist]

Bruh😮

[@LurkMoar101]

An author called Michael Asher decided to put a microscope to this entire story in his book The Real Bravo Two Zero, and went to the areas referred to and spoke to every witness of the events he could. There's a lot of bullshit in Ryan and McNab's renditions of the story, more than just exaggeration but facts completely wrong. Complete bullshit, and the real story was just as impressive, just not as 'heroic'.

[@LurkMoar101]

@L C Exactly.

[@spearfisherman308]

@@LC-vx7zothat book wasn’t accurate as well, basically he got saddams permission to enter the country.

[@leeroy10377]

The 209 lbs was apparently mainly moved by 100 meter shuttle runs with 4 moving and 4 covering. The first contact according to one thing I read was soldiers and a 50 in a bmp. So it was used moving instead of standing still, so gunner tried to aim through prism site bouncing up and down

[@joecamel328]

Pretty much came to say the same thing. I would add that I think a lot of the weight was water.

[@Lemon83166]

Dude. Can you shuttle run 100kg on your back for 20kms up and down terrain? You're talking as if your denotion makes it plausable. Its fkn not possible. The body would be in so much pain, mission is the least of the worries. It wouldnt make sense to take that much crap. If you weighed 200lbs yourself, okay, maybe you can because you're built larger. But the reason SF does 130lb now is thats the average weight of a soldier, and a soldier should ne able to lift their own weight and carry it. In what world is anyone training with 200lbs for extreme distant treks in the military. None. Its clear Andy Mcnab made up a lot of shit

[@tlevans62]

OK, so Mal MacGown was a member of my old Regiment and word is they did take 200+ pounds per man, a lot of it water, but they didn't carry all of it on their backs, they carried it by taking half of it at a time, dropping it, and going back to get the rest and shuttling it like that, and it wasn't 20k, more like 2 or 3k to the OP. Most of the story by both Mitchell & Armstrong was embellished, although Armstrong did walk a bloody long way into Syria & Mitchell & the rest were tortured. The numbers they faced were exaggerated, they didn't engage APCs, they faced Bull Dozers and Construction Equipment with local Militia. They stole a Toyota Crown, not a Yellow Taxi. The radios were messed up by Mitchell, they weren't given the wrong frequencies. Their maps were wrong and it was freezing cold and they had the wrong equipment due to poor intel & planning. Aside from that, the story is roughly true, and men did die. Lest we forget..

[@garethgazz9332]

Most accurate comment on this vid so far from all the research I did on the story years ago. Not heard about the radios being down to McNab (Mitchell) before I don't think but the rest all seems to be the accepted truth.

[@mikegleed5842]

Was Mal Macgown in 1st Commando regiment with you?

[@tlevans62]

@@mikegleed5842 He was after my day, He was part of the 1st CDO COY out of Sydney, I was with the 2nd CDO COY out at Williamstown, Vic, near Melbourne. Back when I joined in '79 there was no "Regiment", there were two Independent CDO Companies, which were formed into 1st CDO Regiment in 1981. He joined after the Regiment was formed I believe. I know people who knew him. The two Independent Commando Companies were the only SF Units aside from the SASR (based out of Perth), until 4 Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment was renamed "4 RAR (CDO)" in 1997, and became a full time Commando unit, later renamed the 2nd CDO Regiment in 2009. The 1st CDO Regiment is made up of both full time, and part time soldiers and is a Reserve Unit, with a few full time Admin Staff & Training Cadre. They supplement the full time 2nd CDO Regiment. When Mal was in, he was a Reservist, with roles similar to what the members of 21& 23 SAS do. Armstrong was originally from 23 SAS (R), also a former Reserve SF soldier.

[@nahuilegorreta6572]

Andy McNab was one of the weapon trainers on Michael Mann's "Heat"

[@piotrpan6464]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4HIXpaVaMp0f8k Bravo Two Zero The Real Story

[@rossg4788]

The other SAS advisor in Heat was Mick Gould, who trained TC for Collateral.

[@greedytrader]

If you think that 209lbs is bullshit, then you don't know British special forces. British soldiers are notorious for carrying weight even at the squaddie level. SAS are notorious for doing the impossible. By the way you need to review 6 days. Good channel.

[@scruffy7760]

Swedish Jaeger conscripts carries up to 104kgs or more, roughly 230 pounds I believe. I do t know if his comments tell you more about British SAS, Swedish Jaegers or US counterparts

[@happzy]

Hey, seeing you guys react to some older stuff, there was a movie with Russel Crowe called "Proof of Life" with tons of cool things someone with spec ops background could breakdown.

[@tropicaleasyrider1]

Uptown One, this is Downtown Two. Go loud.

[@Frogboxer]

LOL....they staged the kit lift...they weren't going to carry 209lbs in one go for 20km. The weight was everything not just ruck....beltkit, bergen/ruck, jerrycans and sandbags full of extra kit. They gave themselves two nights to move it. Enough food and water to last two weeks. The med kit isn't their individual kit it's the patrol medic's kit. They all had individual kits. They carried weapons, ammo[incl. 66mm and 203 grenades], dems, food, water, OP kit, signals['man portable' 319...35lbs], batteries, NBC, nightsights, claymores and all the usual extras. They carried 66mm LAWs...for those armoured vehicles. As for 'Ray' ...it was a joke in the film...he was too ugly and scary so scared the kid away.

[@brianoshea4520]

Vincent Phillips (Ray in the film) got a lot of blame and was portrayed poorly (a jaded/negative NCO nearing the end of his career) in both McNab and Ryan's books about Bravo Two Zero. Michael Asher wrote a book "The Real Bravo Two Zero" in which he went back to Iraq and questioned witnesses. Definitely worth a read as it question the facts as given by all 3 Patrol members who published accounts of the patrol. Video of Documentary book is based on. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4HIXpaVaMp0f8k

[@MartyPape78]

In my option this is a must watch.

[@jeffmbellucci]

You guys should breakdown that more recent British movie with a very similar title, "Kilo Two Bravo". Preview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4K7YWyZi7aSr7s It's also based on a real life small unit of soldiers who end up fucked in half by a dry riverbed full of old landmines, instead of enemy/weather. I thought it was pretty solid, but Im also not sure if it's been over dramatized beyond what actually happened. Keep up the great content.

[@tylerfreal6472]

great movie

[@4325air]

One thing not touched on here, but it is in the book by McNab, is the total breakdown of their comms. Both their comms back to the forward operating base (FOB), as well as their emergency hand-held radios. To my reading, the team did not conduct a comms rehearsal between their equipment and the FOB's equipment prior to infil. Holy cow, Batman! Unbelievable! Brief-backs and rehearsals were/are soooo important. I mean, you already know you are out on a limb with inaccurate maps and minimal intel, so you are going to really, really need comms in case of in case of increased risk of compromise and abort. Which is precisely what happened, starting with the LZ location and then the sheep herding kid. Again--no comms rehearsal? Ever since this story came out in the news (I'm 74 years old) , then books, then film, I have just been shaking my head with "WTF? Over?" Perhaps I'm too harsh and not knowing all the facts; please correct me if so. I have nothing but greatest respect for SAS brothers-in-arms. P.S. I had had the same reaction as you did about the compass attached to the rifle. For one thing, it is very awkward for a quick azimuth check. Just try to do it. And what if, in the dark, you need to get your eyes right up next to the compass--but it's on the rifle. And metal can deflect the compass needle, as you point out. Don't know why it was not attached with a dummy cord to the shirt or web gear harness (no plate carriers or vests back then). Or use a wrist compass. Must have been a Hollywood thing. --- (Fifty years ago: 5th SFG (Abn), ODA-572(HALO), ODA-575, Group S-3 shop )

[@manticore4952]

I am not even in the military and it makes no sense to me either, not taking the vehicles was also a really stupid decision.

[@davidduafala3050]

It would be interesting to see one of these SAS guys on the show to talk about their experiences. Also what they do differently would be interesting

[@FNGACADEMY]

agreed, ill reach out at some point

[@emmanuelawosusi2365]

@@FNGACADEMY is ruck trainer going to be weight vest ?

[@deanjohn433]

@@FNGACADEMY ant Middleton is former SBS guy and he did run the SAS who dares win tv show think he’d be good to talk to

[@Ash_Hudson]

@@FNGACADEMY DO IT

[@antonytheolddog8626]

So you guys ever read books.. There's a book called 'cobra gold' by Damian Lewis. It's a SaS adventure, based in the 70s then more modern day. Anyone who has been jn this world, will love it. Great page turner..🙏

[@davidearley5681]

You ain't wrong Buck. Keep your compass separate. Plus a compass can't handle the jolt of a rifle and still stay calibrated!

[@novasamurai2148]

Not sure where to recommend movies but hyena road and siege of jadotville would be good movies to review. Keep up the great content, loving beers and breakdowns!

[@ronaldackles637]

Have you seen KiloTwo Bravo? I love your movie recommendations both great flicks. Seige at Jadotville based on true story whereas Hyena Road is fiction

[@alavila8373]

This movie was based off of Andy McNabb's book, Bravo Two Zero and is from his perspective. Chris Ryan wrote the book "The One that Got Away" which was also made into a movie. I thought Chris's book was better. Cool part about the book was once he was returned to base from Syria he debriefed Delta about his journey and received a standing ovation. Chris also created and produced a British TV series called "Ultimate Force" about the SAS which was pretty bad ass even though you can tell they didn't have much of a budget.

[@rtm27]

First 2 seasons of Ultimate Force were good. Season 3 was okay, and the last season was rubbish.

[@patdennison4508]

OK, I'm Buzzing, although this is a downer through Sacrifice and Bad Intel. I'm Ex- S.A.S Reserve, North, 23., "G" (V) spent 6 years as a Regular before undertaking Selection for Reserves. There are many famous stories, we hear when going through Selection. I wish to be diplomatic, with regards to this topic, but Steve mentioned the names, then later Collin, and this is a sore topic, as we don't mention names. They used false names, but mentioned the real names of those who Sacrificed the Ultimate. Nevertheless, even B.1.Zero bugged out and returned to Saudi. As the Yanks know, we had poor Intel at the time compared to theirs (U.S.) after they evaluated the Mission. B.2.Zero carried on, without Transport, when even the R.SM. Pete aka (Raty) informed them that they should use "Pinkies" they felt that they could hide better without "T" ? But common sense dictates getting out of a Contact, out weighys the effort of Comofladging the Vehichles. I remember having diorea and shitting in a bag, in an O.P. in Northern Ireland and my Buddy trying to get as far from me as possible in a small confined space. If anything, it was always animals that gave us away, especially Cows!, they are so inquisitive 🤣 Now I'm in my 50s, trained during the Cold War, Arctic and Jungle trained, 3 Languages "Rat Line" Mission, I would say the worst Environment I Oppt in, was the Jungle! Tell me I'm wrong Cabbage hat! 😉 P.s. Their De-Brief was nothing like this Enhanced Reading. 😉

[@ryanwooldridge9115]

You should review the movie ‘6 Days’ about the Iranian embassy siege in London. Good depiction of the SAS and the whole operation.

[@mountbeckworth1]

And another complaint. You are going to a country where AK ammo is plentiful, and if you have to open fire, the locals think " oh, AK fire, must be Iraqi soldiers". Why lug in NATO ammo?

[@nkgr584]

Regarding the B20 team have been issued 4 books (as I possess) 1. BRAVO TWO ZERO by Andy McNab, 2.The One tha Got Away by Chris Ryan 3. Soldier Five by a Australian Member of the team that also wounded in the leg and 4. The real B20 by Michael Asher a researcher and friend of the guy split from the team with Chris Ryan. Reading all the books noticed that stories of McNab and Ryan have gaps.

[@ja37d-34]

Yeah - I have read all four of those and it was interesting to see the differences.. :)

[@Dark_Point0]

There is huge controversy over this operation. There has been a lot of review as to the legitimacy of the book. This drama production is not the greatest in a lot of respects. However, the amount of kit carried by an individual is not necessarily exaggerated. I have personally carried 80kg 176 lbs of kit cross country for 15km. That was however with logistical support elements. The Regiment really don't like public attention though, the event that brought them into the lime light was operation Nimrod, the Iranian embassy siege. Now that is an event worth reviewing. Have a good one, and God bless from the 🇬🇧.

[@marcus_ohreallyus]

I was big fan of the book....crazy story. But just like Black Hawk Down, I feel like the movie is a little bit neutered compared to the book.

[@jerryrichards8172]

Saying you goda watch BOYS FROM COMPANY C its vietnam movie a really good budget. From boot to the war zone.

[@Doman3500]

Why the fuck have you guys not reacted to IN THE ARMY NOW with Pauly Shore? This is an atrocity

[@BipoIarbear]

This movie was considered pretty much bullshit movie mistakes up until they get caught . But then it's individual accounts so hopefully that was accurate

[@Evocati-Augusti]

The brass made the decision to save their own ass and blamed the one guy, and everyone was told that was what happened, so for a long time, they did blame him...

[@mountbeckworth1]

Why you wouldn't look up a weather report before you dressed for combat is mindblowing. Desert, oh it must be hot?

[@HillsHaveEyes81.]

Carrying 180 pounds plus wasn't unheard of back in the day with british special forces lads especially if you wasn't going in to battle persay and for missions like this, there was SAS lads carrying around 200 pounds of kit during the Falklands War and that was mountainous terrain.

[@Evocati-Augusti]

The SAS in the real footage when they got released did have teeth and fingernails missing...and they gave interviews right after as well...find their version of an AAR.

[@thesmanbrowne4561]

Kajaki is the film you need to see

[@ronaldackles637]

You guys should do a breakdown of Kilo Two Bravo fuckin great movie

[@gameocalypse6040]

Man I remember when a few of us talked about this in comments back when you first started this video series. Better late than never!

[@petemcphee2]

That kid was actually interviewed 10 yrs later... The kid says he never saw the Team. The compromise occurred when they bugged out. And we're seen by the farmers... One of whom was a former Iraqi SF warrant officer.