Green Lantern The SCANDAL That Never Happened?

[@ps1mrlee]

Imagine the engagement level if the title of this episode was: “Sasha’s strangely passionate defense of threesomes.”

[@DaeDaeDotNet]

😂😂😂

[@geoffreybayer1571]

Hey- you swore you'd never be carried by the ring! I'm quitting. You Can't Quit- you dragged Me in! ... What Happened! Well, I hadda go think, an I guess I passed out. Hey, isn't Hal a blonde? Yah- but This Green Lantern Isn't. He's also kinda- yknow prehistoric- a Throwback? He thinks Girls can't take care of themselves. We were almost here when I woke up. But..

[@ReinholdHMai]

"If Rex really was such a lothario as is being claimed, why is he so impressed by something as vanilla as a threesome?" Because DC, that's why. Refer to the Neil Gaiman quote: “I wanted to put a reference to masturbation in one of the scripts for the Sandman. It was immediately cut by the editor [Karen Berger]. She told me, "There's no masturbation in the DC Universe." To which my reaction was, "Well, that explains a lot about the DC Universe.”

[@Ubernerd3000]

I looked at it as Rex not being impressed by the threesome, per se, but it being more based on the situation...I heard, “ hey, FUCKBOY/stick-up-his-ass, had a threesome with Rhianna and Beyoncé..? Wow!-those two are gorgeous, and really, really hate each other...apparently, the only thing they can agree on is wanting some of his D...! Impressive...!” I’m also annoyed by the assumption that Huntress and Lady B stopped having their own sexual agency, and didn’t fuck Hal because they wanted to fuck Hal...because no woman would randomly fuck a guy who looked like RYAN REYNOLDS...??

[@ReinholdHMai]

@@Ubernerd3000 I have to agree, looking at it like that, it would be impressive

[@Sewblon]

@@jasonmullinder DC hasn't been bound to the Comics Code Authority Guidelines for decades. This is the corporation that featured a dead baby monster who eats poop.

[@Sewblon]

@@jasonmullinder So what you are saying is: Their are lots of writers and artists who worked during the CCA days, who don't like making explicit content because they are not used to it. Plus, most people who don't read superhero comics still think of them as for kids. But that isn't true at all. So people who are not seasoned comic book readers get taken aback when comics do get explicit. But how does any of that make the editors shy away from explicit content? Doesn't stuff getting thrown in just because it can go against that argument? assuming that "stuff" is explicit content.

[@Sewblon]

@@jasonmullinder I thought that the point was: "Why does DC editorial insist on chastity?"

[@joelsasmad]

14:00 Wait a second. They claim that the 3some was just a delusion of Hal's drunken state but in the panel where it was first talked about Hal very clearly never told anyone about it. The only way this could have become justice league gossip in the first place is if the girls themselves talked about it.

[@alexanderf8451]

Yeah, to embarrass Hal. I think that was even the intended joke in the first place. Hal finds this humiliating and they don't.

[@joelsasmad]

@@alexanderf8451 But then why are they so offended like he was Bragging about it or something?

[@PropagandaDS]

Honestly my headcanon is that he's a complete prude, so anything outside of the most normal stuff is embarrassing to do (and therefore the bottle of alchohol and getting very very drunk)

[@donb7519]

@@alexanderf8451 it definitely wasnt intended that way the intended is ollie making fun of by the rules hal jordan have a 3some with 2 women he barely knows and people flipped out

[@Peaceblank]

@@PropagandaDS I'm curious why you headcanon Hal as a prude when he is probably one of the more adventurous (ie aliens) when it comes to sex and is often mentioned and shown to have casual hookups?

[@Cervando]

I love how everyone assumes that Lantern instigated the threesome and used drink to ply the two women and not the other way around. I mean heaven forbid it was the women who took advantage or that it was even consenual.

[@PropagandaDS]

From Lanterns reactions I assumed that they were all very drunk and a stray comment went sexual

[@arrogantanarchistmariahmck6163]

Thank you for this comment.

[@Lili-ib2rh]

As a woman who has been shamed for having a threesome (by other women no less whereas ironically, one of my best guy friends just gave me a high five when he found out) , thank you.

[@munanchoinc]

The way they worded it made me think that Hal got pegged.

[@Merseybeer]

Love this. It seems the outrage is linked to the idea that women’s sexuality, both being in a relationship or engaging in sexual for pleasure, somehow removes them of their own agency.

[@yessum15]

It does when it's framed the way it is in this comic. As a conquest for Hal, rather than as a mutual experience.

[@Merseybeer]

@@yessum15 100% agreed

[@yessum15]

@@nope5657 Because it demeans and disempowers the women involved. People don't like to be thought of as 'conquests'.

[@georgiawilksch5708]

@@yessum15 but it isn’t exactly displayed as a “conquest”. He seems more embarrassed and if he could bro out with anyone it would be Olli. It’s dumb, but it’s not like Hal is the one bragging.

[@yessum15]

@@georgiawilksch5708 Originally, it's Arrow who's framing the threesome as a conquest for Hal. But Hal then doubles down on it. He could have either directly called out Arrow's attitude as childish and demeaning, or indirectly suggested it by reframing the experience as a mutual one. Instead he lets the regressive framing of these women stand unchallenged in order to make some bullshit self aggrandizing statement about how he'd prefer to be known for his glorious mechanical achievements than for these petty sexual conquests. This is easier to understand if you can imagine a situation where you would truly not want to demean the other person involved. This analogy may help: Imagine you meet a girl and you think 100% she's the one. You immediately fall in love and you know one day you'll get married. You end up sleeping together the first night you meet. The next day your friend says "Hey, I heard you got to third base with Sally" In this situation you wouldn't want to demean her because this is literally your future wife & mother of your children. You actually respect her, and you want other people to as well. So you would either directly address it, saying something like: "Wtf is wrong you? Are you 12? If you're interested in her sex life you should talk to her directly. Although the fact that you're using that weirdass date rapey language to describe sleeping with women suggests to me you should probably avoid them entirely." That's one way to handle it. However, there's a more likely scenario. Because this is your friend you probably wouldn't go feral SJW on them. But you would still feel the need to address it indirectly by reframing the experience as mutual one: "We had a good time together, she's really nice" The *last* thing you would do is respond with: "A HA! SO YOU SAY EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT? THIS IS BUT A PETTY CONQUEST! I PREFER TO BE KNOWN FOR MY GLORIOUS GRADES AND ASTOUNDING FOOTBALL PROWESS!" Hal should've responded in one of the first 2 ways. Not the third.

[@peteallen8420]

My question is this, why do people assume women ( real or fictional)should be ashamed for their actions or bodily autonomy.

[@raynebowmo2223]

Threesome being "unheroic" is really funny and reminds me of the batman "heros dont give head" scandall

[@DamienJamesOFarrell]

I'm pretty sure JLA Headquarters is like the Olympic Village. You dont get that many perfect people spending so much time in high pressure situations without them blowing off steam.

[@ranwolf7650]

I'm surprised 1/2 the female roster isn't pregnant at any given time

[@TheTomimt]

@@ranwolf7650 Just like the Olympic Village, the JLA HQ provides condoms.

[@daverhoden445]

@@TheTomimt Super-Ultra-High-tech- Bat-condoms.

[@Zaprozhan]

Had this exact thought. Thank you!

[@yessum15]

I feel like stories about the Olympic village are heavily exaggerated for the titillation of a comparably unathletic public.

[@andrepaul3483]

Fav cringe moment from this book: I'm Ray Palmer. Welcome to PAIN!

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

Don't forget the murder of Leeanne Harper just for shock value and not wanting characters with happy family lives

[@exusiai]

@@wolfmantheimpaler Lian Harper

[@Xehanort10]

And everybody shouting "JUSTICE" at random times.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@wolfmantheimpaler That seems to be a weird thing a lot of comics writers think. I gather that is why Bendis breaks up every happy couple he gets his hands on. He really seems to hate happy families.

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

@@LibraGamesUnlimited it's some BS about how they don't want heroes to be "unrelatable" or the inability to comprehend the dynamic of a hero balancing family life and superheroics despite the endless amount of story ideas that could come out with heroes with families like, kids developing powers of their own, people being attracted to the heroes and their spouses reactions to it (or even funnier, the children of the heroes having friends who have crushes on their parents' hero identities)

[@robertcringle4865]

Why would Black Canary tell Green Arrow about the event unless he had been suggesting that they introduce a third element into their relationship. Either that or she was trying to entice Ollie to try something new. In any case, the line is shocking and Lanterns reaction is priceless.

[@princecharon]

Huh. Maybe she mentioned it because she specifically wanted to bring in Huntress or Lady Blackhawk, and wanted Ollie to know that they have experience and thus would at least not be opposed to the idea in concept.

[@CC-gy7el]

“Come on Ollie, even Hal Jordan has had a threesome!”

[@Andrematt]

Literally gasped when you remembered the time Carol thought Jordan was gonna propose. Jordan was at his lowest at the time, but damn, that was Gardner level of clueless.

[@bfdidc6604]

Enjoyed this, but now for an off-topic dissent. "For the planes I flew." This is actually very much a relevant part of Hal Jordan's persona and history, especially going back to his Silver Age origins (which, yes, I'm croaky and old enough to remember). Being a big deal test pilot was a major cultural touchstone and considered quite sexy back in the 60s. We're not in that space anymore, for better or worse, but America at the time considered test pilots, astronauts and the like as being not only symbols of American exceptionalism, which I will not defend in its worser examples, but as part of an optimistic and increasingly inclusive view of the future. The line is a bit corny today, I guess, but it is very much in keeping with his character.

[@daverhoden445]

LOL.. my thing with that line is that he's an interstellar super-hero and he want's to be remembered for planes? He regularly hangs out with aliens!

[@bfdidc6604]

@@daverhoden445 Ha! True.

[@philpatterson7085]

@@daverhoden445 But that he did without a ring or a corp backing him up.

[@JackOfAllNerdsShow]

I only recently discovered your channel and for being called Casually Comics, I find each of your videos extremely well researched, presented, and edited. Nothing casual about them. Highly entertaining and a great source of comics history for hardcore and casual fans alike.

[@daverhoden445]

I agree. I've been reading comics for decades and every video I've watched on this channel, has stuff I didn't know.

[@PsychoStreak]

"Three whole people" and a power ring that can make anything he can think of... I mean, if you're going to get Hal plastered and hanging out with the ladies, even if they're just messing with him, run with it! Don't just drop a terrible couple of lines and walk away. Maybe Grappa is that one drink Hal can't handle. Everybody has a "never again" drink; if you're lucky you find out what it is when among friends. Buy yeah, that was horribly written.

[@blackphoenix77]

I hate how puritanical some comic fans can get sometimes. The Huntress and Lady Blackbird having a threesome doesn't cheapen them or make either of them less of a woman.

[@INFERNO95]

If it out of character then it does make them look bad.

[@infernaldisdain8051]

@@INFERNO95 I wouldn't even say that. Out of Character assumes that there's no rational explanation, but honestly "they shared a partner one time" is not nearly the worst out of character moment nor does it make them look bad. At worst I would say it would make facing each other awkward. Most comic book characters have one or two OOC moments but as long as it doesn't derail their character I wouldn't say it's the biggest sin. There are bigger ones in the comic this comes from.

[@Treblaine]

It only takes a few loud puritans who never shut up and are REALLY GOOD at shaming everyone else who doesn't agree with them. Some people are obessed about sex because they have a lot of repressed sexual feelings, so think about it all day, they think about all the ways to attack it and it being "out of character" is just one way. They will hang a 2000 page thesis on how comic books should be made, advertised and even controlled by the law on this ONE aspect that involves sex.

[@justalurkr]

Or less heroic

[@snate56]

@@justalurkr That's just it. When you are not bulletproof and are constantly throwing your body between the guns and the innocent bystanders, even if your off-time is one non-stop orgy, you are no less heroic.

[@iamsemjaza]

That panel with Hal not being particulary happy about the memory seems more like they got him drunk, but whatevs.

[@r0kus]

Wait a minute. This is the internet. You cannot take a balanced and nuanced stance! Where is the rage? The ignorance? The personal attacks? You keep this up, and I'll have to subscribe. (Oh, too late. I already did.)

[@padenal6069]

I like how it's bad for Hal and Ollie to 'gossip' but not for Blackhawk or Huntress. One of them spoke to Canary too. Also i think Rex was more 'impressed with' and less 'impressed by'. Like a threesome mightve not been much for him, but he can still be impressed with the straightlaced cop. Like he knows that's risqué for Hal.

[@tiagotiagot]

The way I see it, when "fanfic" is used in the context of criticizing official writing, it's usually not as much about the writing quality itself, as it is about the respect for established canon. The fanfic genre is (in)famous for the broad range of liberties taken when it comes to canon, at least in my experience.

[@LunaticReason]

People stop slut shaming Hal!

[@nicholashodges201]

But he makes it so easy. Which works, since he's so easy...

[@INFERNO95]

It more then fault of writers who turn him into a man whore over the years. They feel every guy has to be like James Bond and screw every girl he see. What they don't realize is how bad it make the male character look in the long run. Hal has been slut sham by writers for years that nobody feel sorry for him when bad things happens to him. Hal deserve better.

[@popburnsy3207]

You've seen his costume

[@Sewblon]

@@INFERNO95 To be fair, female characters are not immune to this. Gwen Stacy once cheated on Peter Parker with Norman Osborn, specifically because J. Michael Strazynsky wanted to make people like her less.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@@Sewblon we dont talk about that. Lol

[@MrPatrickAnonymous]

I can see a polycube with Hal, Ollie, Dinah, Helena, and Lady Blackhawk. They hang out in a loft in the arty downtown area of Star City.

[@ckellough]

Have you ever heard the tales that come out of Olympic Villages? The staggering number of condoms that they have available for the athletes that stay there? I would think that the rate of random hookups in the superhero community would be similar.

[@yessum15]

Those stories seem more tailored to titillate the regular listeners than they are accurate reports of what's actually happening.

[@khhnator]

all those incredibly fit and attractive young adults together in one place, something is bound to happen... the hall of justice probably is one wild place

[@Pengowirr]

In a beautiful/ironic twist, the people that come with pitchforks to "defend" women in comics end up taking away their agency 😂

[@ViralAgent1]

Perfectly said, man! Women don’t actually have autonomy in the minds of these people, especially when it comes to matters of sex with a man. If she ever has sex with him, it’s never because she talked with him, got to know him, realized that she liked his charm or his wit or his personality and then decided she wanted to sleep with him. Nope! He forced himself on her. End of story! Sometimes, I wonder who the *real* sexists are.

[@MastaSmack]

Be a Volcel and enjoy yourself.

[@yessum15]

Not really. The issue is that Arrow's frat boy tone frames the threesome as a conquest for Hal, which demeans and disempowers the women involved. He further established that this toxic "notch on the belt" attitude is the standard amongst all the male characters in this world. Instead of taking the opportunity to call out Arrow's vulgarity, Hal lets the smearing of these women stand unchallenged in order to make some bullshit self aggrandizing statement about how he'd prefer to be known for his glorious mechanical achievements than for these petty sexual conquests. So he's further demeaning them to raise his own status. The proper response would've been: _"Ollie what the fuck is wrong you? Are you 12? If you're interested in these women's sex lives you should talk to them directly. Although to be honest the very fact that you'd frame a threesome as some kind of sexual conquest suggests to me you should probably avoid women entirely. Gimme those arrows & go home, it's not like you were contributing anyway. I literally have a ring that can take out a city block with a thought. Discount Kirkland brand Batman."_

[@yessum15]

@@nope5657 Jesus talk about willfully ignoring the obvious.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@@ViralAgent1 ... Or just ended up having sex, which both genders do all the time with people they later regret they had sex with. 😄

[@Ubernerd3000]

HAL and Ollie have known each other since the early days of the Justice League; THEY ARE BEST BUDS; they even drove across the country together in a pick-up truck; Hal is ex-military, and has a rep ACROSS SEVERAL GALAXIES, for being straight laced, and "following the rules"; Ollie, on the other hand, is known for making rash decisions, not keeping it in his pants...and for pushing Hal's buttons...so when he suddenly he finds out his uptight buddy, who regularly takes him to task for his behavior, went out and did EXACTLY what he probably would have done, with two gorgeous women, had he been in the same situation, what do you think he was gonna do?--pretend it never happened??...it may not have been STELLAR behavior, but, sorry, it was completely NOT out of character for those two guys... nor was it really out of character for LB or Huntress to get drunk, and want to have sex with an unattached guy WHO LOOKS LIKE RYAN REYNOLDS...one is a SKY PIRATE, and the other was a VIGILANTE HIT WOMAN...i'm pretty sure they've both gotten drunk and fncked a guy before...i also strongly suspect any man who presented either of them with an unwanted penis, would loose possession of that penis, with frightening speed...

[@INFERNO95]

It depends on how well it written. If written in a creative and mindful way it could work. But if it written in lazy and sleazy way then it goona get push back. Writers need to be mindful whit the way they treat every character they get a chance to write or the fans will call them out for lazy writing.

[@Ubernerd3000]

@@INFERNO95 they cannot possibly do that; they have to do what they think is best--why?--you and i seem to have two different opinions of how well the exchange was written...it is not possible to write satisfactorily to two such extremes i taste...you have to chose the path that works for you, as the writer, and go with that...it's not always possible to please anyone other than yourself...

[@jonathanettinger6970]

The writing isn't lazy. That's a cop-out smack to take an easy shot at it because you don't like it. It's a superhero comic, not Jane Austen.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@INFERNO95 HOnestly, this is the first I've seen/heard of this but the whole page kind of feels like an attempt at humor. Maybe it was bad humor but I think that was the intent. A funny throw-away gag. I can't help but wonder if these characters were original creations without all the history it people's reactions would have been more laid back.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

A couple of things things 3000. One, writing only for yourself is an asine way to write since your never are just writting for yourself. Being a good writer requires a person to put aise their personal feelings. Also your reasoning that both girls would gladly jump on a dick that belongs to ahandsome guy is fairly shallow. It sounds less like you're looking at this from what the characters would do, and more so what normal attractive people would do.

[@sasstrash316]

I've watched this video many and I mean MANY times. Today however; Sasha's cold dead reading of Hal's "I'd rather be remembered for the planes I flew" sent me into a fit of giggles. Love it

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

You didn't know Black Canary has terrible judgement? She took The Ray's virginity just because she felt badly for him, comparing him to a lost puppy. She gave a naive teen superhero who'd spent his whole life in isolation a pity fnck. I think that's a pretty compelling case for poor judgement.

[@WinchesterxNL]

I don't hear anything about Black Canary in here. Except for her telling Ollie something.

[@popburnsy3207]

You want to check her for bad judgement? She kept going back to Ollie

[@WinchesterxNL]

While Ollie is a prick, he is his best around Canary. So I wouldn't call that bad judgement. As for taking someone's virginity for feeling bad, and having a pity fuck. I wouldn't call it bad judgment per say, just that she has different standards.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

Wait what? What comic/issue is this? I've *never* heard of this. Ever

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

+Max Alain's Meme Stash It happened in The Ray's series. Second or third issue, I think. The Ray wakes up the next morning and does the Macarena through the sky to celebrate losing his virginity.

[@F00LSG0LD215]

"Sasha: If they hate each other, then it's just hate sex!" Made me spit my drink out laughing didn't expect Sasha to say that. Well played.

[@daverhoden445]

I just generally avoid drinking when watching KZbin now. Easier on the keyboard.

[@savitoon2287]

Wait…but if Hal was black out drunk and only thought they did, then how did everyone find out, Hal was surprised Ollie knew meaning it’s not likely he told anyone, so Black Hawk and Huntress would have to be the ones who said it

[@JackWard66]

Good Lord you're reasonableness on youtube and rational conversation seems like a rare gem found in a stripped out gold mine!

[@kdisley]

3:52 * gasp! * "Three whole people!" Still better than 2½ people - whichever way you slice it...

[@jalabi99]

Yeah but which half of the person? :D

[@patrickmike2524]

Or is that half person your roommate watching you from the doorway. Haha

[@jalabi99]

@@patrickmike2524 these are questions we need answers to!

[@kstormgeistgem461]

that was just... ew. that made me think of this show i used to watch that had some pretty horrific short stories in it... tales of the crypt.

[@mageside]

i interpreted that 21/2 people as a dig at short people/midgets/dwarves, take that for what you will but that's what immediately popped into my head lol

[@Harleyxjokerforever]

Batman is the only character who get to keep his kids even when their killed. 😂

[@jacobmorta3047]

Oof. A lot of the times comic book companies just don't want their characters to enjoy their personal life. Just look at peter parker's life.

[@DaeDaeDotNet]

Yeah no Batman has to stay depressed no matter what

[@togucvinw7]

DeJon Well how can we have interesting stories if Bruce suddenly Gross a moustache , tends to his kids academic grades and is more concerned about his cholestérol than figthing Bane or Joker

[@danielolivares6313]

Too bad he can't keep his Robins the same way

[@rgprichporter]

The readings had me laughing like a MADman at my desk at work. It's nice to know people were butt hurt over things in comics back then and not just now. Thanks Sasha

[@gakabler]

Seriously, as far as Hal is concerned, does this 3some even approach the scandal of Hal and Arisia? No. I didn't think so.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

That whole thing is best swept under the rug. Probably using a giant, green glowing broom under a matching rug.

[@louisalectube]

What Sasha says starting at 9:20 DIRECTLY applies to Gail Simone's nearsighted BS about "the girlfriend in the refrigerator" and Kyle Rayner. I'll always hate her for that utter garbage.

[@stendec-dd3he]

20:41 "The man's a hot mess'....that wasn't always the case. They were larger than life aspirations for those needing to believe in something larger than life. Sadly that was many decades ago. Regardless those heroes and stories are endeared. I enjoy your commentaries and your love of the stories.

[@KnoxOutComics]

I love this!! I had no idea any of this happened. People take certain things way too far.

[@travishiltz4750]

Random thoughts: Yeah, in a story that convoluted, Robinson wasting an entire page on this gag adds to my theory that he wrote 'Cry for' after a serious head injury. OOC syndrome really doesn't apply to the guys, as both Greens were written as thoughtless jerk horndogs for several decades. So, them acting like this sucks, but it's not OOC Impressed that sasha didn't just make this video a joke-video but had a conversation, about the ideas presented in this story.

[@ThisCharmingMan1984]

Hold on a sec! The “fix” of the threesome, that was attempted by Gail Simone in ‘Birds of Prey’, really doesn’t work, because; if Hal Jordan simply got drunk, blacked out, and thought he had had a threesome with Lady Blackhawk, and Huntress, who told Black Canary about it in the first place, for her to be able to then pass it on to Ollie? In the original setup, it’s suggested that either Lady Blackhawk, Huntress, or both of them, mentioned it to someone- probably Black Canary, and that it got passed on from there; which isn’t a good look for Black Canary, and paints her as being some kind of gossipy teenager, but that at least fits with the “Out of Character-ness”, that Sasha mentioned being a problem all the way through that particular series. BUT, in the non-threesome, Hal blackout drunk, scenario, both Lady Blackhawk, and Huntress, already knew that the threesome didn’t happen, so they wouldn’t have told Black Canary that it did... ...and if neither Lady Blackhawk, or Huntress told Black Canary about it, who did? The only other person involved was Hal; but due to how shocked he was that Ollie knew about the threesome, it doesn’t seem likely that he’d been out bragging about it. Also, surely if Hal was going to divulge details about it to anyone, he would have been more likely to tell Ollie first- since they are best friends; he wouldn’t have told Black Canary- his best friend’s girlfriend, wife or whatever they were at that point...that would be really, REALLY creepy, and probably require Ollie having to have a bit of chat with Hal, about boundaries haha. I mean, only some kind of weirdo would go around telling the wife, girlfriend, partner, etc, of their best friend, details about their various sexual exploits; particularly without first informing said “supposed best friend” beforehand...that just seems wrong haha Plus, Hal was shocked that Ollie, and other people, had heard about the threesome at all; simply wanting to be remembered for the “planes he flew” instead- which made me laugh out loud for a looooong while, especially at Sasha’s reaction to good old train wreck Hal Jordan haha. So that only leaves Lady Blackhawk, and/or Huntress, as the people who could have originally spilled the details about the threesome- either directly to Black Canary, or to somebody else who then told her; makes their explanation, in the ‘Birds of Prey’ book: that Hal was blackout drunk, and just thought that they had had a threesome, not fit with the way it was described by Ollie, in the original scene. I haven’t read either of the comics this “controversy” was featured in, so I’m only going off the details in this video; but from watching ALL her other videos, I trust Sasha to explain things precisely, and, as far as I can tell, she hasn’t led me astray before. Not only that, but I haven’t seen anything in the comments, that suggests Sasha was wrong somehow; either in her description of what transpired in both books, or that she missed out some important details, which would explain away my problem with how it was supposedly fixed, by Gail Simone’s “Hal’s blackout drunk threesome hallucination”, and make it no longer an issue. So...yeah; a pointless, unnecessary throwaway joke about a threesome, that some people probably shouldn’t have cared about as much as they did (though that is subjective, as Sasha rightly points out), wasn’t actually “fixed”...until it was, by every comic book character’s greatest, most unconquerable foe; outside continuity rebooting shenanigans haha. I know I’m very late to the party on this; I’ve watched this video many times, but the issue I pointed out, in this comment, only just came to me now...for some unknown reason haha. ‘Casually Comics’ has quickly become one of my favourite KZbin channels; not only does Sasha always makes me laugh, I love hearing her unique perspective on anything, and learning about all the crazy comic book controversies, I’ve often missed out on, over the years/decades. The comments on ‘Casually Comics’ videos are usually great, too, and I love reading them. It’s great to see people passionate about things, whether or not I am into them as much as they are, it doesn’t matter; I love learning new things about comic books, and their history: whether about artists, writers, characters, etc, I just find it all fascinating. Hope everyone that sees my comment, and the loved ones of those people, are keeping safe, and well- wherever you are in the world, during these crazy, scary times. 🤞😷🤞 It’s great to have channels, like ‘Casually Comics’, providing superb content; it helps you forget about the state of the world for a little while haha. Best wishes, everyone. 😷👍

[@VerveQuest-zc4ri]

Its sad that I seem to only find honest thought out discourse on my favorite comics channel and can't seem to find it elsewhere. You do a great job at the lost art of "thinking" rather than reacting, and still stay entertaining. Kudos

[@Zothos3]

I love your mindset. How you exploit bad writing, how you want to get to the bottom of things, how you invest time to find deeper meanings in the panels. All of it. Just love your videos. 👍

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

Anger probably better focused on the death of Lian Harper imo

[@Estarfigam]

I love Linkara's comment on her death.

[@justinpaige8920]

You're my favorite comic nerd. So eloquent, so thoughtful...and quite demonstrative. (The hands always get me going. Never change.)

[@marsupius]

"I'd rather be known for the planes I flew..." Relax... you could be known for both.

[@nicholashodges201]

Idk, as a pilot, he should be proud of driving a train

[@marsupius]

@@nicholashodges201 I think you conduct trains, not drive them.

[@nicholashodges201]

@@marsupius wrong kind of train dude. Kind I'm talking about you either drive or pull depending on whether your "pitching" or "catching". In his case he was most certainly driving that train.

[@marsupius]

@@nicholashodges201 of, right. I stand corrected. There is that kind of train...

[@dithaingampanmei]

I always thought Lady Blackhawk was a World War 2 veteran fighter jet pilot. And she got time warped to present day. Am I missing something here? Or maybe Hal Jordan loves bonking women extremely younger or older than him?(Arisa🤢🤮)

[@patricklacey4946]

Great breakdown, I never heard of this "scandal", funny how people project negativity and an entire storyline based on a handful of details lol

[@KierTheScrivener]

I've watched this video probably fifteen times over the last three years and it just makes me smile every time. How could Hal Jordan do this?

[@TubezThe1]

Also on the lack of relationships with female characters, nobody ever says that about women in real life. So it amazes me that somehow anyone will attribute that as an attribute to a good female.

[@thoughtslikerabbits953]

What if it was supposed to be a throwaway joke about hal getting the girls drunk in order to win a sparing match with three on one.

[@BainesMkII]

I remember CBR around that time had some writers that were rather strongly my-way-or-the-highway opinionated about women's issues, to the point of dismissing anyone who didn't agree with any perceived issue. You' could be hit with a "stop mansplaining" response if you dared give proof that a claim was wrong. Disagreeing would sometimes get you dismissed just for being a man. If said poster responded by saying they were a woman, then they might be criticized for "speaking like a man" on the issue.

[@throgdarthebrute]

I remember when this happened, it cause such a stupid drama between multiple fandoms... Some people were mad that it was Hal, saying they would believe it if was Guy or John (two people with no damn game at all)... so it split the GL fandom... Next people were outraged that a incredible devoted Catholic like Huntress would have a 3some... so those people were mad... And lastly those mad that they had no idea who the hell Lady Blackhawk was... (thats why they were mad, not that she was part of it LOL).

[@Botar48]

Only thing more fun than learning about a controversy is learning it years after it is relevant.

[@leadsharp]

Well said! 👍 Hal always struck me as someone who always knew how to superhero, but not person.

[@freman007]

Gail Simone's biggest challenge these days is finding enough food for her characters to eat in each issue. Frankly, what Lady Blackhawk, Huntress, and Hal Jordan may or may not have done while destressing with a bottle of wine is nobody's business but their own. Sometimes a threesome is just a threesome. Look at it this way (and it's something they've noted in the military as well). When you have young(ish) people, in the best physical condition of their lives, and in stressful situations, with members of the opposite sex (90 odd percent of the time), things happen. It may not be something they planned, or something they're proud of afterwards, but it happens. Humans are sexual creatures, and it's not like Hal, Zinda or Helena are unattractive people.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

Yeah, what is with so many modern writers and food. Are they so hungry and underfed that they consider food a viable topic for a superhero comic? They should try not to write on an empty stomach.

[@LaptopLarry330]

In the comic books, Green Lantern and Green Arrow have had a complex and controversial history together. I get the impression that Green Arrow was "pulling his chain". Ever since the "Green Lantern" movie, some think that Hal Jordan is an alcoholic/philanderer, because the scriptwriters made him that way, because they felt that the character was too boring. I felt that it was unfair to change the character's noble history. I hope that some DC writer will someday create a story involving Green Lantern, The Huntress, and Lady Blackhawk only, so that the air can be cleared, once and for all, and to redeem the reputations of all three characters.

[@njsoapdish]

Huntress had two relationships during Gail's first BoP run. There was a random guy she briefly dated and hooked up with just because she felt like it and later Catman. In both cases they were not choices she was particularly proud of. So, her having a random threesome isn't really out of character. Then again, Lady Blackhawk is related to Catman, so she would be an odd choice. I agree it's bad writing, but that argument against it is a bit silly.

[@aikenp]

My question is for hal to think its a threesome doesn't that mean that Huntress and Lady Blackhawk still ended up intimate, because how else would a blackout drunk Hal think that something happenned the next day. Which makes me wonder what the big deal was in the first place?

[@Demona9999Marluxia]

your defense of Hal Jordans clumsyness always makes me happy XD also what was that about receipts aobut Ric Greyson, is there a rant vid coming about that mess? please tell me thats the case, I need the salt, I need someoen to release the salt about all that

[@criminalisticL3]

I did enjoy it Sasha! Its rare for me to hear an ope, honest and thought provoking conversation about comic book stories. Thank you.

[@callac]

One thing that bothered me in the Animal Man comics once was when he said that if he had the powers of a spider he would be a mediocre hero. I didn't like that line.

[@popburnsy3207]

Pretty sure this one is clearly a joke

[@joseignacioreallozano348]

So... Obviously, by what he says when Oliver tells him everyone knows, Hal didn't tell anyone. So the girls did, and then, they are the ones who say that it never happened and just made Hal think it did... So... thats doesn't make any sense, does it?

[@jacklynsheridan2322]

I can definitely see Zinda and Helena doing this for fun and immediately wanting to tell Dinah since she knows Hal from way back and would appreciate the story. Whether she’d gossip to Ollie idk but that much I think I buy

[@immortallegacy100]

I always saw the line as Ollie screwing with his best bud. Gossip is just that, gossip, and Hal's line to me was him nonchalantly denying that anything happened. Hal's fairly straight laced, especially compared to Ollie, so Hal supposedly getting drunk and having a threesome is just kinda funny. As a side note, I do like the idea of Hal and Zinda having a thing for each other. They're both pilots, and I actually like the idea of Zinda getting Hal drunk in order to sleep with him. I dunno, I just didn't take it all that seriously at the time, and I still don't. To me it was just Ollie screwing with his best friend, and that's something I can appreciate. "Hey, I heard about the threesome you had with two of the hottest superheroes in town. What's that? You don't wanna talk about it? Then let's keep talking about it! So, Hal, how's your sex life?"

[@campbellsoup93]

Is it really so difficult to believe that three exceptionally good looking people who are all pretty open with their sexuality and who have very small circles would get together? Also, Gail Simone's 'women in refrigerators' did more to objectify thr characters than thr stories she was railing against. She just lists characters and how they died without giving any context. She treated the characters as props to further her agenda rather than anything real.

[@DavidRamirez-wq6zi]

Love your videos. I must say though, I worked for civilian contractor who among other things made squadron scarves for the Air Force. Most every one done without exception had to feature the aircraft of that squadron all over the scarf. Spoke to many a pilot, and it was a point of personal pride. They truly loved their planes.

[@Jbondage]

One of the greatest videos you have done yet Sasha. I have never heard such an impassioned defense of threesomes.

[@levonpoe]

Hal Jordan got tag teamed by 2 consenting adult women. Get over it.

[@cactusalucano4013]

Everyone came into the conclusión he got pegged.

[@lowercase21]

Plus he could do a lot with that ring am-i-right?

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

It is funny how all over themselves some people got. I've heard this book was crap but I don't recall ever hearing this story but it's not a big deal.

[@sketch-eee4165]

@@cactusalucano4013 by his own green ring powers

[@joelrobinson5457]

​@@sketch-eee4165reminder the ring is sentient, so... Foursome?

[@ianleex6874]

i love you sasha. nuanced discussion and genuine passion for comics. cant get enough. not just learning but getting insight as well.

[@Spite_Lip]

that commenter slammed the dinah/ollie relationship?! maybe just my growing up with the Timm-verse, but i love that relationship. I don't think Simone was mandated to include it.

[@malcolmanderson6735]

OMG I love the level of sociological introspection you bring to the genre and the fandom.

[@Znobishtucon]

This video is 100% wisdom. As legit critique as it needs and a dip into subjects best expressed in longer form. Glad to subscribe!

[@JT5555]

and in a alternate universe,the three-some was just ollie making a bad joke (because he's one of the funny one's) and hal's reaction was just "ha ha. funny." and that was that.

[@wonderwomanguy]

This was happening towards the tail end of when I was reading comics. Huntress was pretty damn sexually active, Lady Blackhawk was very much an alcoholic. Hal however is nothing more than a single scoop of vanilla ice cream. The real questionable thing is Hal agreeing to a 3-some. If sex actually happened. When Green Arrow first met Huntress, he thought about trying to get a piece of that and by the end of the issue was way too freaked out my her intensity! But Ollie has great history of useless gab with his buddies (See Kevin Smith run).

[@starsiegeplayer]

Did they ever actually say that sex was involved? Maybe they just played spin the bottle.

[@-THE_META]

I was expecting the punchline to be some epic superhero beer/liquor pong feat....

[@yessum15]

Maybe they both got together and pegged the shit out of him.

[@favouredmg4336]

@@yessum15 Here you are again....who are you!?

[@yessum15]

@@favouredmg4336 I'm sorry, I don't remember you. You see, for you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.

[@favouredmg4336]

@@yessum15 What are you talking about??? Are you high on something?....these damn internet trolls smh😞

[@texasmade456]

You are on a roll!! This channel shows just how mixed up comics can get. Love it!🤠👍

[@theGhostSteward]

My theory is that Green lantern and green Arrow are so often depcted as villains cause the "Green is bad" Disney thing. Wellcome to my podcast.

[@londonknight8308]

This video solidifies my view that your judgement on comic storytelling and character development are profound.

[@TheIantoJones]

I agree with you. Thank you for this great video.

[@SereneDancer]

My main memory of this comic is just Linkara saying: Together we can be justice!

[@thepaper888]

As always, points very well made on all sides.

[@theloniousMac]

As you’re reading the quotes I get the distinct impression that these people are missing certain types of life experiences that would help them understand how such moments occur.

[@byronmorrison909]

I want to add something. Maybe you didn't mention this because of the poor writing, poor characterization, or you didn't know but this happens. Two friends hanging out and one wants to talk about something and the other assumes it's about something else. That threesome conversation belonged in that comic. It shows their level of friendship, and Oliver clowning Hal about it cements the fact of their friendship. Holla back if I'm totally wrong on this Sasha.

[@blackrazer22]

I have to agree.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Except it really doesn't belong I. The comic if it was poorly handled.

[@goblingrimm4146]

I like that your logic at the end can be applied to other aspects in comics. I think a lot of people just get outraged for the sake of it and don't stop to think, why this particular thing made them upset.

[@cultofj3777]

Great video! One I somehow managed to overlook based on a comic page I wasn't aware of about something that never happened.

[@iBluefoot]

‘You need a foil” hallelujah “Canon isn’t forever” amen You’re preaching it in this one!

[@numericalhorror185]

I love how you look at this from all angles! You talk about some serious relevant topics but also poke fun at the hilarity of it all

[@GeeksandGrub]

This was an awesome video. I am glad you didn't Wham this Wonderfully Whimsical "Whatever-This-Was." This type of video is why I enjoy your channel more than people like Comicstorian and ComicsExplained, and I seriously enjoy those guys.

[@MAZZ0Murder]

It dawned on me that Ollie and Hal never give a clear idea that it was a threesome in the first place... just that something happened XD

[@make.and.believe]

I did not know Roy’s daughter dies. Not mad about the spoiler, now I must read the arc and feel the feels. Thx dude. #RedArrowIsTheArrow

[@foxxygradius7858]

Because of the weird font in use, I read 'Cry for Justice' as 'Gay for Justice' and thought this teamup was going in a very different direction.

[@ComicPower]

You're reporting is A plus Great pacing and editing. AWESOME JOB

[@jonathanettinger6970]

Very, very late to the party here. KZbin said "look at this" and it had Hal Jordan, so I said "Okay, then." 1. I have this book. I read this book. 2. I also entirely forgot about this book whatsoever until seeing this video. Impact? Meh. Not exactly Bane breaking Batman, Doomsday killing Superman, or even Captain America being shot or the Cap Hydra crap, is it? No. 3. It's not a throwaway page/panel/joke. The point was a brief shift in tone while playing on the friendship between GL and GA. GL: Serious tone, serious important secret to reveal. GA: Is it about X? Because I already know. GL: No, it's...you what? GA: Yeah. GL: Aww, shit. But, no, it's not. Back to serious tone dialog reflecting recent events. 4. That's all. Not a character assassination. Not a sexist trope. It's how friends talk. It humanizes them instead of it being 100% stilted serious talk. 5. People really need to stop this soap operafication of comics, especially superhero comics. This thing of "all life should conform to X and anything else requires my outrage" is bad enough in the everyday life of everything else. Comics are meant to be escapism, not heavy-handed social lectures.

[@hydestreet251]

I love your channel. You're videos are always super entertaining. Keep it up!!

[@ToaLapaka]

Just came back to this from 2021. 5:26 Love that they were saying "heroes don't do that" all the way back then 😅

[@justinfjay9611]

U dissected the f*** out of this. Thank u for shining light where it needed shined

[@paulellington1505]

Dang girl. You make some interesting videos. Love how passionate and enthusiastic you are without being toxic. Have you done anything about the punisher? My favorite character along with Green Arrow.

[@HistoryWes]

I’m really enjoying your videos, and in particular, this one. It is really fun to follow along with your analysis. I’m a comic fan, but haven’t been a comic reader really, for a couple of decades. Your videos bring me right back into the mythos.

[@matthewdavies2057]

The Huntress slept with The Question. I rest my case.

[@johnburt7935]

I'm suddenly picturing the Huntress sleeping with both Questions (not in a threesome, but over the course of time), and...giving the idea credence.

[@TVOR]

Which one?

[@johnburt7935]

@@TVOR Good point - I'm thinking Bertinelli. Wayne, I've always pictured being in solid with Power Girl.

[@Xehanort10]

You could say their relationship was.... Questionable.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

Wasn't that just in the animated series or did they port that over to the comics too? I will say the Question in the comics is way less mentally unstable than the animated series. The animated series borrowed heavily from "Watchmen" and Rorasche.

[@elliefitzpatrick2791]

Also Hal Jordan has canonically hooked up with John Constantine let him live his life

[@graemejackson5979]

I'm new to the channel and just have to say, I'm a huge fan of these behind the scene dissections. A favourite page of mine (before CBR went to hell) used to be "Comicbook Legends Revealed", so I'm loving this type of content.