Greenhouse Gas Tax ? Fart Tax? ETS? What's going on in New Zealand? EXPLAINED!!

[@kiwifarmernz]

UPDATE: I made a calculation error in the video. The 95% free allocation starting in 2025 only applies to Co2 and NO gasses (by 2030 all of the free allocations are removed). Methane has no free allocation therefore the whole amount is charged and paid for. For us this is an extra $9500 in tax.

[@OscarTahr]

How many kgs of methane did you calculate?

[@k1w112]

ITS GEHARD...???. God bless NZ

[@winstonsmithsoul]

There is nothing to stop the government changing the rules at any time. Farmers still believe they are negotiating with reasonable people.

[@SiliconBong]

I have yet to see the science behind hype. Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the ozone layer start at 15kilometers above sea level?

[@stephenboyd4934]

Well as it's all a lie being used for the reset @genda & mass arson is going on around the earth, plus HAARP weather control is creating floods too. All countries have only around 1000 people in control making up this bolox, get rid of them then the problem will be over.

[@winstonsmithsoul]

@@SiliconBong Yep, if the NZ government was really interested in our farmers saving the planet, they could research a certain man called Ewan and his ideas on farming. Instead they threw him in prison as a heretic because his idea would remove the need to use fertilizer. A billion dollar industry and world wide $$$$$$$$.

[@tonylawton7475]

One can not negotiate with lunatics.

[@SiliconBong]

@@tonylawton7475 Sounds like a hard bargin.

[@vertical-golf]

The great irony is that NZ is so small in the global emissions landscape (0.1%) that completely shutting down all emissions would make zero difference.

[@astutik8909]

Same with Australia. Why does the arab world, India and China and asia in general, all get a free pass? They are the worlds greatest polluters on every level. This is targeted at a few specific countries. The same countries that export most of their produce, and feed the world. If we reduce our farms to levels these " experts" decree, the world will be starving. Is that the real plan ?

[@sconnz]

Agree totally!

[@Bullshit1011]

Try telling the normies, just a blank look and they repeat what the TV said 🥵

[@roya9712]

Its a fucking joke and unfortunately we will be paying the price literally.

[@derekborkent2899]

@Darrell Taylor when are you going to realize that this has nothing to do with climate change and all about population control. Climate control is far beyond man's capabilities, either for better or worse. Localized weather control , up to a point. It's when people like James Shaw says that C02 is pollution you need to be afraid. People like him have no problem destroying life on earth with their good deeds and intentions. Ignorance is bliss ...... Ask the Sheeples, they know!!!!!

[@Natoyarose]

What aggravates me is that the cost of emissions trading schemes will always be passed on so it is only going to increase the cost of food. I was in Australia when their carbon tax came into effect and prices went up considerably. When that tax was rescinded, the prices did not come down again

[@nicktorea4017]

its like the hydro-electric schemes during the mid 1990's, power prices increase whenever the water levels were low during summer of course the public were assured it was only a temporary measure. Come winter water levels up but not the price of power. We're all being played for fools and we keep letting it happen.

[@downunderfulla6001]

That’s typical of the government here. Consistently overspending their budget and inventing ways to to implement another tax on its population. All governments should have to self fund their election campaigns and 70% of their yearly budgets

[@rumpelstiltskin6252]

i see you had to reply's which utube has hidden what could they say to have caused this

[@MrDCrosswell]

Prices never come down. It works the same everywhere. I noted, when Kuwait was happening years ago, that Australia got 97% of their oil came from the Bass Strait, 2% from Saudi Arabia, and just 1% from Kuwait, yet the price of fuels went up astronomically. Kuwait has been over for a considerable period of time now, but those prices have never come down and continue to rise. Regardless of commodity, that's the common factor. As far as cows farting is concerned, if the whole country reverted back to wildlife only, the Kiwis and Wekas would be blamed for this move, because their population increase would be claimed as the cause. In Australia, it would be wallabies, kangaroos and emus.

[@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810]

@@rumpelstiltskin6252 that's been happening for the last six months. What the fck is going on? It will say something like 6replys and then only 1 will be visible.

[@aussiefox2000]

Control the food ,control the people. They want small farmers out and mega farms in.

[@kairosquerencia4011]

Yes, heading down the same road as the Netherlands. Regulate and tax farmers off their land, making it unprofitable and impossible to maintain the land. New Zealander's need to wake up.

[@spudpud-T67]

Cause a famine and get the people desperate and offer a saviour in the way of a communist regime to enslave everyone.

[@TheBelrick]

and us eating bugs while they eat eye fillet. Us walking or waiting in queue while they fly in private jets

[@kairosquerencia4011]

@@TheBelrick Only the wealthy will be able to afford to travel and therefore have freedom of movement. All by design.

[@TheBelrick]

@@kairosquerencia4011 They war upon the population. Many shots have already been fired. Already there have been many casualties. Stay safe, go with God (because they don't, they literally go with the other guy)

[@tkinvy9750]

I just saw a great comment from the great Thomas Sowell which went something like this Why do we in the modern world: - We condemn those who produce - We reward those who refuse - We canonise those who complain

[@mahuta_1195]

Gotta say I’m impressed at your explanation.. well done mate! Great to see the straight factual discussion. Cheers

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Mate

[@markstephens5118]

First i would like to say as a city dweller, thank you for your hard work in all of the farming and agricultural industries you and yours have single handedly keep NZ a first world country and i am very very sorry all of this nonsense is landing on your shoulders again (remembering the 1980's).we well achieve nothing with all of this carbon sequestering other than sending us(NZ) into three world status and for what?. China is bring more and more goal fired power plants on line every year, so we will be just peeing into the wind and wondering why we are getting wet.

[@LWJCarroll]

Sigle handedly is incorrect as the farmers are just the first part of the chain to the consumers. There is a big team of people after the farmers doing hheir part in getting meat etc to local and overseas markets. Having been one of these people in the past….

[@markstephens5118]

@@LWJCarroll of coarse all you say is true, but what exactly is it you are trucking, butchering, packing, (ag, fish,hort and such like) then exporting with out the primary producers. And the receipt from our export income show that this sector is NZ biggest earner with tourism second. I ment no disrespect to the workers that came after the farm gate but your comment only goes to prove just how important the premier sector is and must must must be protected.

[@LWJCarroll]

@@markstephens5118 Mmmm "Must be protected"???? Surely its just another export industry in NZ that needs to adjust itself to whats going on like Climate Warming....other industries do so over the years.... it was good enough for me to negotiate a 10 Percent permanent pay cut with one export employer in the 80s or 90s so I think farming should be expected to do the same....What the farming sector has done for years is use that threat/excuse for getting "special" treatment over other Kiwi business and workers. I dont agree with it as it also means the farming sector is not future proofing itself but stays cocooned in a "special" business bubble so to speak. I can still recall the 25kg frozen meat packs airfreighted out to London (NZ2) and Frankfurt (NZ18) back in the 90s (about 9 000kg per flight) while public marketing advise was to export the final retail products instead. The meat farming sector back then was able to avoid change innovation etc in its retail product/s....This sector must must must be OPEN to change and be innovative in order to be an important part of the NZ Export Sector imo...

[@alanthompson4727]

Well done Alastair, one key part of the Paris accord that all governments have conveniently forgotten, reduction in carbon and emissions was to be achieved provided that there's no reduction in the quantity of food produced.

[@ghostchips7204]

The counter point is doing nothing is going to lead to more adverse weather, poorer yeilds and drop in production. There has to be something done, as an industry we cant just bury our heads in the sand. The actual implementation is not how I would have gone about it, but just doing nothing leads us into an inescapable corner.

[@kevinmccracken9959]

The so called NZ govt is a corporation formed in 1987. Legislation tells us this. We wouldnt listen to Mcdonalds telling us what to do so why do we listen to this so called in charge circus.

[@robinwallace6259]

@@ghostchips7204 You are incorrect in your statement regarding poorer yields, more adverse weather events and production yield decrease. Your belief is misguided and poorly founded on climate alarmist rhetoric.

[@LWJCarroll]

I think by changing to plant based protien we can get a major increase in food supply. Due to avoiding the losses in going via animals…in comparison

[@kevinbrooks409]

@@LWJCarroll correct. Halticaultur will employ more people per hectares witch will increase personal tax rather automated industry that pays zero. Fed the poor.

[@nzbushman07]

Good on you keeping composer talking about this bro it really gets me going, as farmers we are not nieve to change but there needs to be a line because some of the things they want us to do is BS

[@richards933]

what do you mean "some of the things",all of the things they want you to do is bullshit

[@robinwallace6259]

Fantastic information Alistair. Very good positive angles which i hope will be encouraging for NZ farmers.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Robin

[@katthompson3852]

What a brilliant video! Thank you for sharing. It has always seemed wrong to me to hit farmers with emissions when animals are only doing what's natural. When the bigger issue is deforestation of the globe outside of NZ on a massive scale. It seems so disproportional. You could take away every dairy/sheep/beef farm off NZ plant all the trees that could possibly fit in that space and overall if nothing else is done elsewhere with deforestation... it wouldn't help. Taxing the shit out petrol and farms ... leave us alone. Politicians here need to grow a pair and focus more on the international responsibility. Best of luck dude... from outside of Leeston Canterbury.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Kat, Yep its quite frustrating.

[@foggycoast]

Sheep and beef hill country is going for $15,000/ha because big forestry companies can forward sell the carbon units guaranteed by government (the part that's considered sequestered even after harvest). There is a forward market, meaning the units can be sold before they are sequestered. That's more than the price per hectare of land atm. So no farmers can compete to try and buy farms coming up for sale, they're blown out of the water by big forestry. It's a subsidy to carbon farming and forestry against farming, in all but name. This has been in place since 2019 and the Zero Carbon Act. That's why you've seen all these farms disappearing under pines in the past few years. Orchestrated, subsidised destruction of farming. And the forestry companies bowl over regenerating bush for pines. Great for the environment.

[@GloriousGrunt]

Foreign investment in the forestry is really going to be the cause of a land crisis, we have AUSTRIAN ARISTOCRATS buying up swathes of of forestry to get paid out in taxpayers money through this SCAM FFS. Hard to vote out when all the mayors and politicians are doing it too...

[@derekborkent2899]

Who needs regenerating bush when you can generate regenerating money from people that have slaved their guts out to earn it. James Shaw will be wringing his hands in glee while he's poluting steak and egg farts all over the place with extra copious amounts of methane and C02 leaching from the upper orifices of his head. We have plenty of WEF, UN, WHO and various billionaire club puppets in our government and local bodies. Nauseating!!

[@GloriousGrunt]

@@derekborkent2899 as Klaus said "We have penetrated cabinets around the globe"

[@samoosa1000]

You may also have look at Moringa and Paulownia trees. Moringa is considered the "miracle tree" Both are extremely fast growing and should reach 5 plus meters pretty quickly (less than 5 years). Moringa is a food source and Paulownia wood are used as lumber and furniture, etc. I assume its wood can also be used in the paper industry. Lots of articles about both on the internet.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks

[@spudpud-T67]

Paulownia is used a lot in Asia for furniture but its is very soft, it's a little harder than balsa wood. It may be useful in the paper industry IMO.

[@livingmultiverse5544]

Yes the morning tree is a miracle plant especially for arthritis of any kind, as is stinging nettle, comfrey, Mullin,dandelion and celery. Personally I believe Jacinda arden blows off more toxic gas than all the cattle n sheep in nz put together not to mention enevitible environmental disaster she is going to create with phasing out fuel cars and drowning our lands in toxic electric car waste, just pray we don't have a catastrophic weather bomb that blows up the electric car charging stations, that is not an experience anybtown wants. Nor is the government information based on truthful science-based proofs only the narratives that suit their agendas. Also comfrey nettle and Mullin is amazing for soils and a highly prized permaculture plants I'm no farmer so I'm not sure how they would affect your animals or your concerns. I wish the people of new zealand would grow a pair and just stand united gor the people against the government demands and the bullshit decimation of our farmers our lands and water oh and people don't forget people. This is the most disgusting government ever in my life time, if ever there was just cause, worthy of revolt this is a major one for nz. It's just a matter of time before she criminalizes growing our own fruit n vegetables. 2030????? All part of the great reset 2030 agenda uuuuugggghhhh......... I wish it was a quackery up conspiracy theory but..... it aint

[@rogeratkinson7209]

Moringa is only grown in tropical areas

[@margaretcoote1429]

Mornings won’t grow in Canterbury it’s too cold!!

[@captain-hooked]

Interesting video. The modelling aside (which is a joke), it seems like when you look at the numbers it's not so bad. Especially when you have the opportunity to increase native bush cover and gain a return from the sequestration process. I'm all for increasing bush cover on marginal land especially stuff that has been cleared over the last 40-50 years and is now constantly slipping off the sides of hills throughout the Waikato and back of Taranaki.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks mate.

[@nzfarmer2410]

I’m just going to get an off farm job that has me flying around the country on planes which will then pay my additional farm emission tax.

[@calling_a_spade_a_spade]

Thanks Alistair, much appreciate your research and insight. All the best and looking forward to joining the farming community one day soon.

[@tomhoro6468]

It like everything else happening it's all about money for the thugs

[@Twortortle]

Mate, soon our farmers will be protesting like the Dutch farmers did, the plan is centralising food production.

[@livingmultiverse5544]

Yeah well when they do they best be prepared to be brutalized and destroyed Cindy's outlaw gang of blue boys love playing gangsters and don't give a f k who gets hurt. When you do protest do it like the French, shut done every highway in the country refuse to buy petrol for just 2days and stop the economy show the people in power that its united we stand and it's the people who hold the power not the filth we put in power. Once we were warriors and by f k we still are. I stand with the people of nz the farmers and the market gardeners. Just look at the Australian farmers its so sad and absolutely Wirth fighting and dying for

[@Theresa-td8yk]

We support you Farmers and I am personally so sorry for what the Government have done to our Farmers, Just know we support you and if you fight we fight side by side with you 💯💕

[@matthewjohn2744]

Blue Red they both the same mate. Thanks for the video. Nice one. Hang in there mate. We standing behind our farmers. 💪👍👏

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Mate.

[@paulfisher7708]

What about history when the plains of Africa America asia were covered in massive heards of wilderbeast bison and buffalo there was no problems with them farting

[@theflamingone8729]

Yes, and all the long since drained swamps and wetlands that also produced methane. Oh and methane? After a few weeks exposure to sunlight, it oxidises into ozone. The whole greenhouse gas narrative is a scam.

[@paulmills2862]

Just want to say thanks from a non-farming folk to you and your peeps for feeding us all cheers

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Mate

[@Bullshit1011]

As you said the blue guys signed us into this stuff. It is extremely important to realize that over time it doest matter if it's red or blue we always decline , they ( red green and blue) are not our friends

[@axelpuhl6221]

'We just leave it there before I get myself in trouble" says it all and that is the real problem !!

[@theherewini]

Great video, learnt alot from this mate, well done and very informative. hope it goes well for you in these mad times.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Much appreciated

[@renkodoodle]

Really hard to put into words how difficult it is to watch this path nz is rapidly going down.

[@tonylawton7475]

Like Shri Lanka just has...half a million back into poverty with the collapse of the tea industry and now an importer of rice..that following uninformed mandated ideology.

[@iosefhotahi9162]

The new abnormal

[@notfromromepope5109]

Thanks mate . Love your work . I had a sticker on an old jo bedford truck . NZ farming is our bread and butter . Love that . But they're killing it .

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thank you. That is a good saying.

[@roberthiggins6401]

No farms, no food, no future. Its a better one and applies world wide. Comes from Ireland, grass men you tube channel.

[@LWJCarroll]

04:17. I guess you are referring to plant based protein which bypasses and saves the losses involved in going through livestock?

[@wyattfamily8997]

I heard an interview some day ago when a European student was questioned regarding the anti farming laws being introduced in Europe. His reply was that ALL farming should cease and , when questioned where he would then obtain food to live on his response was, "from the Supermarket of course". With imbeciles like that, and lack of intelligence in political "leadership" around the world, we may be doomed.

[@apteryx7080]

Hi Kiwi farmer. I would encourage you to tune into the Advancing eco agriculture channel here on YT. You might find you don't need to use all that lime. You may be able to reduce your emissions by reducing lime, and other fertilisers, and grow better grass and healthier animals at the same rime ☺️

[@lovemeanyou]

Kia kaha farmers we support you bless our country with love

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thank you

[@Lopsid3d]

Grasslands should be taken into account when calculating the sequestration process

[@iosefhotahi9162]

As crazy as it sounds, I'm pretty sure the oceans recycle over 90% of carbons, but the huge majority of their initiatives are terra based. Carbon points are just a massive Un ponzi scam

[@warriorsfan1602]

Thanks mate for explaining that. I gotta say give me a box of Heineken and a mild curry and they should whack a fart tax on me lol

[@OscarTahr]

It might be useful to discuss why the split-gas approach is critical (and hence why its imperative to get a workable scheme rather than have the ETS activated for farming)?

[@wildwindfarm1279]

They want to talk about livestock emissions but are not factoring in their role in sequestration. Also grass is proven to be a better carbon sink than than trees. Cattle in a well managed grazing scheme are carbon neutral or even a net carbon sink. Farmers are being unfairly targeted around the world with this rubbish. When reporting on California’s 2020 fire season researchers at UCLA reported that “emissions in 2020 essentially negate 18 years of reductions in greenhouse gas emissions from other sectors by a factor of two.”

[@les8518]

Good to see you Alistair. I am a Kiwi living in Thailand and shocks it me no end see all this crap going on. Nothing like that happening in any of the Asian countries. Also nothing happening about any kind of pollution control. Someone or peoples are trying to gain control in New Zealand etc and are going to make billions of dolars at the expense of the people. Carbon credits is a bunch of lies. I wish you all the very in stopping this insanity. Same happening in Europe.

[@LWJCarroll]

Fyi, theres a video here on KZbin by a US farmer in the Oak Tree forest area in mid USA that he shows how he and his wife diversified into a system of nut bearing trees, cropping in between those and some animals as well. Copicing wood trees as well..he was surrounded by corn or maise farming which he criticised as inefficient food crops….fyi….

[@seandillon933]

This was really interesting, currently looking at lots of the stuff you talked about.

[@thewhalsons7624]

I am pro framing and pro protection of the land, air and water But please correct me if I'm wrong. Farmers get to plant trees and save there forests (1990)??? and get lots cash from somewhere. They are better off planting the land in pine than farming food, based on BS numbers from our BS govt and then sell these carbon credits to China or India or the US so they can continue to pollute? The US isn't even signed up? I saw some statistics showing the amount of cars now owned in NZ compared to 20 years ago? It was staggering... Is that account for? How does NZ govt account for white islands or Raoul Island volcanic out put? How does Tongan account and off set the last eruption? Did you notice after that event the both the northern and southern hemisphere have has some of the wettest and highest snow falls on record? Do you start to get the feeling, trying to fix the weather with carbon tax credits is a complete waste of time and resources?

[@kiwifarmernz]

They are not worried about cars, industry or natural events. They are harder to control than land use.

[@MarkJones-vc6ty]

Awesome work Alistair putting this together! Really surprised by that figure from the climate change commission on ETS pricing! That will have all the coal users running for the tree lots!

[@kiwifarmernz]

I was also very surprised by that price, it will really change the game.

[@johnjordan4647]

@@kiwifarmernz govt looking after the farmers 👍👌

[@aenorist2431]

Coal users running is a good fucking thing for sure.

[@bernardpullon4632]

Related to my comment about GDP below, it seems to me the agricultural sector is unfairly saddled with this. The majority of income from the environmental impact of agriculture is made with the related sectors such as manufacturing and even finance. Seems that the burden is placed on farmers while the upstream industries reap the rewards. They wouldn't exist without the primary production.

[@rjh6037]

Cindy’s masters at the WEF are most pleased with her. And Luxy is preparing to continue their agenda.

[@sumosidnz]

great overview. THX. Can you supply links to info that you have come across? Would love to read it. Cheers.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Just put some links in the description

[@ilonawildauer6227]

What about the feral animals, volcanoes, rubbish dumps etc ?

[@stevewiles7132]

Is Paris being converted back to forest?

[@justinemcmillan2779]

Youre the only person thats ever gone into any detail about any of this.

[@NZFORESTPRO]

Hey I was wondering if you need a forestry professional for the planting of or pruning your pine blocks love to hear from you.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Hey mate. Sorry for the late reply. Flick me an email. Link is in the description.

[@onemanand7759]

Unfortunately my interpretation of the document is that the free allocations have already been included in the numbers so you would be up for the full $10k per year at 30c/kg of methane if farming entered the ETS. The Farm-level levy at 8 to 14 cents per kg would still be thousands of dollars each year. The paragraph after Table 6 explains it well

[@kiwifarmernz]

Yep I think you are right.

[@cathyclark6652]

Cattle do not emit methane from their backsides!

[@meefeenewme6767]

there is alot more to this situation and the relationship to 2030. it is hurting farmers all around the world.

[@jonathonaltmann4493]

Who conducted these studies? Do the people get to see how this data was collected, categorised and collated into a data set?

[@kiwifarmernz]

img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/2210/Impacts_of_CC_mitigation_policies_on_the_primary_sector_FINAL.PDF

[@sylviaalger4917]

Pine trees need to be treated with toxic stuff to be used in building… how good is that?

[@Gunjaroo]

Speak up mate! I support you here from Aus. 💪

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Bud

[@quintintheron8655]

Please explain, how paying money reduces ,"green house" gasses. Won't hot farts just float into space?

[@kiwifarmernz]

The tax will force or promote people to change their farming practices.

[@quintintheron8655]

@@kiwifarmernz I get the principal. Though I'm yet to observe more tax doing anything else, other than to cause inflation. I am grateful for your channel ☺️

[@OscarTahr]

Was it the Beef + Lamb New Zealand GHG calculator you used to estimate emissions?

[@kiwifarmernz]

Yes it is.

[@chrisbird6609]

Alistair, you have outlined what your Carbon emissions are, have you done the calculations on how much C you sequester now, and what effect this will have, and also, if you do put your native bush into the ETS, how much sequestration will this add. Will you be C neutral or even positive?

[@kiwifarmernz]

We are actually carbon positive (sequest more than we emit)

[@roberthiggins6401]

@@kiwifarmernz That's carbon negative I thought?

[@obee1kanobee]

How does a tax stop the gasses from heating the planet ?

[@murrayllewellyn7059]

Thoroughly enjoyed yr presentation. Most informative. With you bro !!

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thanks Mate.

[@bluebyyou7504]

Prayers.

[@petewood2350]

So how many Cows, per tree, or trees per Cow to offset a Cows greenhouse gas?.

[@KiwiJim13]

Thank you Alistair very informative the only fly in the ointment is the involvement of politicians

[@theflamingone8729]

Yes, running ahead of the mob, parroting the dominant discourse to protect their jobs, not their communities or the environment.

[@bernardmccann7676]

All we need to do as a collective is not pay any ets tax from day one they can do all their calculations and tell us what to do but at the end of the day we have the check book so don’t pay I urge you all don’t pay

[@blinkybill2198]

Once they get you on board they will ratchet this up until you can't take it any more. Look to Sri Lanks and the Dutch farmers. You will have the people on your side, especially when the food prices skyrocket.

[@rocker4577]

Buying into the idea that methane or co2 has any effect on the climate is your first mistake.

[@kiwifarmernz]

I'm surely not buying into that.

[@LWJCarroll]

I do agree with the chap here about Transport in NZ not being changed much to reduce carbon emissions. We should be electrifying the rail system in NZ especially the main trunk lines to get freight off trucking. Evs are slowly making the change happen on our roads but it will take awhile I think…

[@cathyclark6652]

Our emissions are equal to a 1 strand of human hair on the Auckland harbour bridge so this is diabolical! In case you didn't realise they don't want people to have meat - imagine going to mickey d's and they say , "Would you like fried locusts with that soy burger?"

[@sscanlon4389]

How does taxing farmers decrease greenhouse gas emissions? 🥴

[@Forester-qs5mf]

As far as CO2, if pastures are managed properly they will sequester more carbon that that emitted when animals eat part of these plants. Research shows currently that there is NO LIMIT to the amount of C that can be sequestered into soils as new research shows that deep rooted diverse pastures can deposit stable Carbon to around 1.5m in depth, far greater than originally thought. The problem is that pastures are often grazed too frequently to allow full root development and maximium sequestraton.

[@ln5747]

The problem with all that chat is that it ignores the simple underlying fact that man made CO2 does not cause climate change. Stop trying to twist yourself in knots trying to discuss policies and solutions whilst ignoring the simple fact that the science is a scam - people need to start challenging and questioning the science if they want to stop this madness.

[@groblerful]

@@ln5747 Right on target

[@geoffsimns8424]

Thanks Alistair for taking the time and making the effort to cover this topic. To my, admittedly logic-only based mind, this is all a bunch of, well, stuff. Can anyone explain how taxing anything, cows, cars, pogo sticks, feathers, you name it, reduce "greenhouse gas emissions" ? Oh, and what is "greenhouse gas emissions"? - if it is anything put into the atmosphere that contains carbon in it's makeup, then all lifeforms, plant, insect, bacterial, animal, et al, are the cause of "greenhouse gas emissions", which, logically, means getting rid of all living things on planet earth will reduce, but not stop, carbon emissions, right? (not stop because "greenhouse gas emissions" also derive from geological emissions, but there must be a way to tax that out of existence also) But, as we all know, this is all smoke and mirrors to extort money by global entities to further their control over the people of the world, of which, according to said same entities, there are too many and therefore the number of people must be culled by circa 90% - logic tells me those extolling this culling do not count themselves among the number that need to be culled, otherwise they would have assisted the planet by culling themselves long ago....

[@red2seata]

Have you heard of or read the book Regenesis by George Monbiot?

[@kiwifarmernz]

Nope

[@chrisbird6609]

If you follow Gareth Wyn Jones from Wales you will know what he thinks of this person.

[@LWJCarroll]

05:40. That Stuff article on 12 Oct “in addition more than 11000 hectares are of farmland are deforested, harvested or cleared each year on average. Millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide is also leaking out from paddocks that once were wetlands”. Which seems to the increased farming areas referred to here by the gentleman……

[@tenacreescape8826]

Exotic trees… everyone talks about pines because they’re fast growing but maybe there’s a few other interesting options … planting fast growing hybrid oaks and / or chestnuts will give you an understory crop of acorns etc that deer thrive on. Red deer do famously well in Europe on supplementary acorns. Also, if the land is staying in the family, consider the likes of Black Walnuts for the hugely valuable timber which will be ready when your daughters are about your age. With trees there’s a lot of different options other than more ugly pines. And they all sequester carbon, and once established they can be grazed under.

[@Kaurione]

Good points!

[@michaelgrey7854]

What about Native forrests?

[@Kaurione]

@@michaelgrey7854 I think you have clicked on the wrong reply button because the message came through to me

[@roberthiggins6401]

I agree on marginal land and chestnut make the best fencing stakes and regrow quickly time and time again. Softwood stakes are useless and rot so quickly.

[@cenedraleaheldra5275]

Hi over there. Cousin from Australia. Very well stated. I wonder where N.Z. Govt Want to get their meat and milk if there is no farmers. All my very best

[@NaomiCramerLawyer]

china

[@Saxdude1984]

Doesn't matter. They're part of the collective group that want to destroy us. What the politicians and many others seem to be unable to understand, is that once they have fulfilled the wishes of their puppet-masters, they too will be in the big pile of poo that everyone else is being forced into. "You will own nothing and be happy." Whilst alive, as the 'leaders' want the world population to be less than 500 million.

[@colvardy8691]

One thing here though once you sign for carbon credits it is for ever, it goes on the deeds even if sold etc

[@D.Cooper420]

It's like those drinking ads... It's not the farming, it's how were farming. If we weren't exporting everything and being greedy it wouldn't be a problem. Capitalist greed is the real issue

[@maguires]

Great summary and understanding of the bigger picture at the farm level. If only other major emitting countries of GHG per capita like China, Australia, Middle East and US get on board and do their part.

[@iosefhotahi9162]

It's scaremongering tactics and lies that al gore used. Same BS at 6pm. I'm into cleaning up don't get me wrong, but not the way and for the reasons they want to

[@arawiri]

Can I put bees in the corner of our old paddock, please 🙏

[@davidkirk6249]

At 410 parts per million, what exactly is the problem with carbon dioxide ? Without carbon dioxide, Earth’s natural greenhouse effect would be too weak to keep the average global surface temperature above freezing...... think about that. Meanwhile in Scotland, 14 million trees have been displaced by a wind farm ! Keep up the good work Alistair, we need you and your families more than a crackpot government.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Agreed , Thanks David.

[@sklenars]

At 410 ppm CO2 is at an historically low level according to world renowned scientist William Happer. CO2 is the elixir of all life on earth. We need more of it not less.

[@LWJCarroll]

Its interesting here how some of the doom n gloom criticism of the Government forget the same government bailing out dairy farmers with that bovine whats it disease a few years back, even when said dairy farmers were themselves spreading this disease up from the South Island moving stock around when obviously that usual practise should have been put on a temporary hold. Oh that meat being able to be fed to us as it didn’t apparently pose a risk? I had a step cousin farmer in the Waikato go off! When I asked him about it at the time, he was really furious dairy farmers were actually not stopping the spread by not moving dairy stock around as per some regular practise I wasn’t aware of.

[@vaughansamuelson6552]

My contention is that the ETS should take into account foreign exchange earned per unit of emissions. There are "industries" which emit carbon, but earn no foreign exchange. Examples are the government itself, banks, insurance companies. They should pay their share. One must not kill the golden goose.

[@The-Real-Ando]

It’s about emissions not forex, it’s obviously too simple for you to understand.

[@vaughansamuelson6552]

@@The-Real-Ando You should broaden your skill set.

[@The-Real-Ando]

@@vaughansamuelson6552 That’s a completely meaningless comment since you have no possible conception of my skill set. This is an emission trading scheme, it’s about reducing emissions, not finding excuses not to pay for them. You can find an excuse for pretty much any industry following your proposal so we end up with little reduction in emissions. My solar system has reduced carbon by 9000kgs since March this year. What are you doing to help solve the problem? Just being an apologist for our country’s largest polluters? Sure it hurts, sure it sucks, but ffs grow up and be part of the solution and not part of the whiny little baby problem.

[@vaughansamuelson6552]

@@The-Real-Ando I do know one thing. You admit to only one variable in what is a complex problem.

[@The-Real-Ando]

@@vaughansamuelson6552 yes it is a complex problem, the only thing you are suggesting is an exemption for forex earners. Whilst that helps them, it doesn’t help solve the emission situation. You need to work on your comprehension skills. I didn’t admit anything, I criticised you’re proposal. I repeat my question. What are YOU doing to reduce emissions? Anything?

[@johnhelmbright1573]

Thank you Allister, I suggest that farmers refuse to participate, rebel against the foolish poloticians who lack common sense and logic.

[@wilsonflood4393]

There is real confusion over methane. The truth is of the 33 degrees of the greenhouse effect methane is responsible for about 0.1 of a degree. Of that New Zealand's contribution is about 1/1000th that is 0.0001 of a degree in other words, nothing.

[@claudiandfriends]

A question from a non farmer, can you plant like a rotation crop of negative carbon things, like lentils or peas to cancel the tax? Also....I cracked up when you shooshed the cow 🤣

[@kiwifarmernz]

Currently not in the scheme the government are proposing.

[@mountainblokemoments]

Two things that worry me. One it’s the thin edge of the wedge legislation wise, the numbers and compliance criteria can be changed as the politicians see fit “ for votes”. Second. Where is all the money for trees coming from? How long till it’s seen as not financially viable for government to back it and it ends up being a corporate/global business plaything for carbon credit offsets. Good video mate we need to be open to new ideas and having discussions of pros and cons on these issues. I can only hope all the players involved feel the same🤷 👍🏼👍🏼🇦🇺

[@joannagommans3345]

Considering animals (cows) have been around for thousands of years, it would be interesting to see how they actually calculated the greenhouse gas emissions?

[@wyattfamily8997]

Pity they don't tax the "hot air" generated in Par;liament.

[@roberthiggins6401]

More animals for extinction! That's what it seems to me and while they're on their way to extinction they'll be taxed to the hilt too.

[@roberthiggins6401]

If like to know how that calculated too. From an independent lab. All these figures they throw at us, who is funding these labs?

[@xzxz-uy2lm]

Reminds me of a story called Jack and bean stalk

[@jeremywright5036]

When a government report shows the outcome of an action, then the government proceeds with it. This can mean only one thing. That is the desired outcome and everything else is the lie to justify it.

[@kiwifarmernz]

Couldn't agree more.

[@mickmurphy1837]

There is always big assumptions made whenever climate science is involved and lies for that matter. Thanks for the vid mate, thoughts are with you from over the ditch

[@kenhorlor5674]

Why are the positives resulting from an increase in greenhouse gas emissions never considered? Current policies resemble the Highland clearances in Scotland from 1750 to 1860, where small tenant farmers were moved off land in order for new technology to replace them. The farmers in NZ are sitting on land certain capital interests want to plant in trees. The farmers are in the way, so they must go. The result of this won't be climate friendly as NZ's efficient production will be replaced by much less efficient production in other parts of the world. The only people who gain are those investors planting the trees. When it comes to the 1990 threshold, how come Russia has their old forest counted? This is through the Marakesh Amendment. The scheme on the one hand is a wealth transfer, from the efficient to the less efficient, while others are paid to not cut down trees. It's a boondoggle.

[@kiwifarmernz]

I believe the Pre 1990 forest is counted by the government to fill their obligations, therefore not being able to be counted by the land owner.

[@warrenjohnknight.9831]

From my opinion our farmers are obviously being making world wide changes since 1986 to become the leaders in sustainable farming in history strangely enough all the kerfuffle is by people in the UN any others making the rules across the board, I think that 90% kiwi farmer's will and can ca.carry on to farm, food is the most important part of lives, hang in there mate as I am sure it's just a kerfuffle, 😁😆.

[@tkinvy9750]

If Ag is the biggest emitter where does it stand in terms of gdp revenue in your country?

[@kiwifarmernz]

From what I can find its only 5% of New Zealand's GDP.

[@tkinvy9750]

@@kiwifarmernz what about ms exports?

[@markmeredith5521]

I thought Ag is just behind tourism as NZ’s biggest revenue stream. How that relates to GDP, I don’t know. 🤔

[@bernardpullon4632]

Most of agricultural output to GDP comes under food manufacturing and wholesaling, GDP is value-added so agriculture produces the raw (primary) goods and the value-added (ie GDP) mostly occurs within manufacturing.

[@tkinvy9750]

@@bernardpullon4632 is it hard to find the manufacturing contributions on Ag Produce to NZ’s GDP then add the two together? IE total supply chain % of GDP from farm to export?

[@gavinmuller9505]

Very good mate - makes better sense

[@Spiderwebsider]

Keep voting for Jacinta, the Kiwi Trudeau, and expect more of the same. She just loves being a show pony on the world stage.

[@annethomson4920]

jacinda

[@Spiderwebsider]

@@annethomson4920 Who cares

[@chrisbayly6612]

Jacinda Trudeau

[@dionadams1502]

Doesn't matter who's running the show, they all the same, don't forget national started this

[@LWJCarroll]

Btw its good to be able to have adult discussion here even when we have different views. One of the best assets NZ farming has had in my view is the likes of Lincoln etc doing scientific research etc to improve/change practises, crops etc…this really just seems another challenge for them. The farming business like other sectors here in NZ have been able to handle change and be better off over the decades….

[@LWJCarroll]

Mmm and what am I doing in town here? Stopped mowing the lawns and slowly changing from grass lawns to shrubs and small trees etc (the property used to have massive trees ) to do my but to sequester carbon and slow stop our climate warming…fyi….

[@kazzana9013]

@@LWJCarroll lol, I put a foot of woodchip, leaves, twigs and all, over my lawn and made a fruit and vege garden.

[@ST0RMM23]

Wait but your prime minister is able to produce more carbon than you do (being a cattle farmer) purely travelling around the world on private jets? Where's the sense in that? They seriously couldn't take the piss more.

[@ngallakp62]

I always wince when people say free money it always comes from somewhere usually by inflation wich is a tax on peoples savings. by a direct tax or cost over the counter or all of the above

[@kiwifarmernz]

Thats true it's not free, it will be tacked on the prices of flights and manufactured goods ect. Just like transport fuel costs are being passed on.

[@J67844]

Alan Jones and ONE Nation MP Malcolm Roberts are a good listen on our Carbon Emissions. They are that small in the scale of the world we shouldn't even be talking about it.

[@davidpattinson959]

As an Aussie farmer even I think Jones & Roberts are stuck in the fossils of the deep dark past. We have to do something so as the world will continue to trade with us as Alastair rightly points out.

[@oppopooop3058]

What happens if nobody does anything like Asia. And Mani other countries.

[@kicknitoldskool]

If you're financially encouraged to Agro-Forest that sounds like a good thing

[@brendanfennell3552]

While New Zealand has appoximitely 7.5 Million Bovine , India has over 55 Million Bovine , mostly Buffalo, Dairy Cows and Goats some 7 times the number of Bovine in this country, and remember India is the third largest emitter of carbon dioxide (co2) for consuming Coal after china and the US , so for the Prime Minister of India Narenda Modi to enact a similiar scheme as Jacinda is promoting in India it would cause major riots across India

[@rossholmes178]

Sorry mate - fact check...goats are NOT bovine, they are from the sub-family caprinae, commonly referred to as caprine.

[@FantailValleyHomestead]

Just look at Sri Lanka, praised for being the first country to meet new targets and ban synthetic fertilisers. 6 months later there are people starving, riots in the streets and their economy is collapsing. Go woke, go broke sadly.

[@michaelgrey7854]

And cows are sacred in India too.

[@thebighectares]

Hey mate, one thing you've missed that I think is important for farmers to understand in all this. When NZ set our 2050 emissions targets we set a net reduction target for CO2 and a gross reduction target for methane. That means essentially that the country cannot reach our emissions goals by offsetting methane. We have to reduce our gross methane emissions 24-47% or fail to meet international obligations. This was a stupid decision at the time and farmers will pay for it, because without technological breakthroughs it means stock numbers have to reduce. Agree with everything around the ETS and getting into it even if you don't agree though. There's going to be some very well spaced poplar forests showing up everywhere soon.

[@dennisfoster4054]

Brilliant well spaced poplar forests who would have thought. Poplar far more versatile than pine,Cattle love to eat the leaves and twigs,no real fire danger most unlike Pine which always is at risk.