Greg Boyd - Calvinism Refuted in 10 minutes

[@Christknight1991]

When I was in College I had so many Calvinist friends.. they really tried to “convert” me. I was easily swayed to the point to where I almost called myself a Calvinist.. thank you Jesus for bringing me back to the truth

[@lionofjudahlambofgod9132]

They defend Calvin more than Jesus.

[@matthewcooper4248]

@@lionofjudahlambofgod9132 Exactly. They often talk about being a calvinist more than a follower of Christ, it's becoming an idol in the church.

[@ronaldpettifurd5957]

Amen the same thing happened to me. I was basically a calvinist for a year! Praise God

[@chrismachin2166]

I recommend you watch “James White- Greg Boyd refuted in 30 mins” on KZbin for an intelligent replky

[@rettpanda6203]

@@chrismachin2166 James white is an arrogant and angry man who twists scripture. He has not love in his heart for mankind...after all, he is under the assumption that he is of the elect. Why bother with anyone's salvation

[@user-um5wn8ri7s]

God rescued me from sin and Calvanism ❤Praise God

[@johnmark9421]

I am beginning to wonder if Calvinism is the result of the prideful person that is so set on being able to explain the mind of God that he looses his own.

[@2timothy23]

Mark, the name Calvinism brings much anger to many, and it is not good to name a theological truth after any man. Yet the doctrines someone holds to that may be called Calvinism has nothing to do with pride, but the fact that the Bible talks about God's sovereignty, election, and the depraved nature of man in verses like Romans 3:10-18, 8:5-8, 9:6-24, Ephesians 1:4-14, 2:1-10, John 1:12-13, 3:8, 6:36-44, 8:34-36, 15:18-23, Acts 2:23, 4:28, 5:31, 11:18, 2 Timothy 2:25, as well as Old Testament verses such as Daniel 4:34-35, 5:21, Isaiah 46:9-11, Jeremiah 10:23, 17:9, Proverbs 16:1, 4, 9, Psalm 104:5-24, 115:3, and 135:6-7. These verses and many more give a full view of the attributes of God and the sinfulness of man, showing God as sovereign over all and man a slave to his nature of sin. No one has to explain the mind of God that He doesn't clearly reveal in scripture, but if He does reveal it, we must believe it. As for one loosing their mind, no offense, but it's just a cheap insult. One has to do better than Greg Boyd's presentation to rightly divide the Word of God in all these areas. And that is what we're called to do (2 Timothy 2:15). If these doctrines are wrong, then they need to be explained with the whole counsel of the Word of God, not the verses that fit our own view. Are they hard to swallow? Yes, they are, but that's because we want to be the masters of our own fate as if we're helping God to save us by our decision. That would leave much room to boast and to actually have pride. Being chosen by God by no merit of my own and having my nature changed to be able to obey the One I now love when I hated Him is actually humbling.

[@evanu6579]

Hey Eric Here’s my view on Romans 9.... Romans 9 Romans 9:7-22, I believe to be discussing those chosen for the Messianic lineage. This special class of people were given special treatment from God. He was merciful to their rebellion, unlike how He dealt with other nations. Paul begins the chapter with a look at these promises that were given to his people… Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. ……Paul is looking at the history of the Israelites of whom he has continual sorrow, in that they have not believed in the Messiah. He then goes on to make a comparison between the Israelites of his day and those to whom these promises were given, the word “neither” being the comparison….. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. The “seed” being the central focus of all the promises, that being Jesus Christ……. Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Paul then goes on to show through whom this promise would come….. Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. The phrase “The elder shall serve the younger” is to signify the blessings and favouritism of God upon those whom the promise (Christ) would come….. Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger. Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; The phrase “the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth”, is to continue with the comparison he made in vv6 & vv7. There is however a major difference that Paul later discusses (pertaining to unbelieving Israel)…… Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. The election that takes place now requires repentance, where as the gifts and calling which the fathers received, did not. Therefore Jacob was chosen within the womb, whereas we are chosen by faith. Both are void of works. Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. The phrase “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”, shows how God fulfilled His promises towards Israel….. Gen 22:17 ……. and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; This phrase is taken from Malachi chapter 1… 2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. 4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. What was it that Edom did to deserve such a fate?…… Eze 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD. Had Israel done any works of righteousness that they deserved a better destination? Let's look at what was spoken about Israel a little further on in Malachi….. Mal 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? 7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible. 8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts. God gave special favouritism towards Israel, because of the promised Messiah….. Jer 30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. The phrase “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” is taken from Exodus, and shows how God spared the lives of the Israelites despite their wicked rebellion. Let's look at the events that led up to God giving mercy, and compare it to Romans 9:22-23, which I believe to be an reiteration of what took place……

[@evanu6579]

Eric Smith Romans 9 continued..... Exo 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. Israel were vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. (Rom 9:22c) Exo 32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. Rom 9:22a What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,….. Exo 32:11 And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. Moses makes his plea for Israel, based upon His promises to the forefathers. The promise being the Christ who would bring salvation to those that believe. (Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,) Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, This event in Exodus 32, ended with this…… Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. So we see God spared the lives of the nation Israel and heeded to the requests of Moses. Mercy and compassion. Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Paul continues with more comparisons, within his comparison. He shows how Edom on one hand received full judgement for their wicked ways, yet Israel received mercy for theirs. Pharaoh was hardened so as to receive ten plagues worth of judgement. God had different purposes for different nations, so He dealt differently with each one. The purpose for Pharaoh and the judgement given to him, was that the power of God might be made known to all nations. Israel was given mercy in order that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy. Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? The potter certainly does have power over the clay. The bible tells us the method in which God makes His vessels……. Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. 11 Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good. 2Tim 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. I would like to finish with an attempt to dispel any lingering belief that Romans 9:1-22 is discussing salvation. In vv7, Paul begins to list those who are chosen by God. If this was God choosing for salvation, then we would be forced to believe that all Israel, which was chosen, had eternal life……. Deu 10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day. Yet scripture tells us that they weren't all saved…… Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Besides this, there were also men in the bible who were not part of this chosen group, yet they seemed to have a right relationship with God. Men like Job, Lot, Jethro the Midianite priest, the Queen of Sheba, and so on. To conclude that the focus of Paul's discussion is upon whom God chose for salvation, makes little sense. God bless

[@2timothy23]

Evan U, I will take the time to look over your comments, but the problem I believe your interpretation will have begins right at verse 6, which says, "Not as through the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." Remember that 9:1-5, we read's Paul desire for his kinsmen in the flesh not to be accursed from Christ, hence salvation. He talks about the Israelites position as God's chosen in terms of what the Israelites should've had in terms of privilege. The Old Testament chronicles over and over again that these promises meant nothing to them because they had unbelief. There were many that didn't believe. This sets up verse 6, which tells us that the Word of God is effective (Paul says it's not as though it didn't have effect, because it accomplishes what it will in salvation). Why isn't it as if the Word of God had taken none effect? For not all of Israel (as it pertains in the flesh) are of Israel (as it pertains to the spiritual). And since Paul is speaking of Israel and most of them being unsaved, he will go verse by verse from 7-24 to show why they are unsaved by using Old Testament examples of the positions of many to show some were chosen, and some were not. Verse 11 in particular. And every example are individuals. In addition, Paul brings up the objections that people have about sovereign election today. People claim God would be a monster or evil or the author of sin. Verse 14 asks, "Is there unrighteousness with God?" God answers by saying He has mercy on whom He has mercy and hardens whom He hardens in verses 15-18, using Pharoah as an example (who isn't of Israel at all). Then the next objection I hear today, why would God judge someone for the very sins they have no control over since they were predestined?" God anticipates that in verse 19, "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisteth his will?" Did you catch it? Why would God find fault (judge) since no one can resist His sovereign will (to choose or not to choose; to have mercy or to harden). God answers in 20-24 the way He answered Job; basically you're questioning my sovereign will, plan, and purpose from a position of unfairness. And notice in verses 56-24, God mentions He does what He does to show His wrath, His power, His riches of glory, etc. And He ends it by saying it isn't for the Jews only, but for the Gentiles in verse 24, dispelling the notion that this whole thought is just about Jews. Going verse by verse is great and I applaud that you do so. But the problem is when you begin with a premise that the verses don't dictate. Verse 6 dictates that it is about those that are saved, who know God. This sets in motion the whole narrative to come and a straight forward reading of the text shows it; this is the reason many can't preach on these verses without making disclaimers or bringing up Calvinism. 10 years ago I read it straight-forward without knowing about Calvinism or any of these doctrines and was "troubled" because I knew it said what it said. And when I read anyone trying to go through these verses the way they do, to make it say something different based on what they think, it does damage to the text. But I will go through the verses when I have a chance. (And remember, when New Testament authors quote Old Testament verses, their context is based on the subject context they are presenting, not necessarily the whole context of the Old Testament verses.)

[@evanu6579]

Eric Smith I’m glad that you’ll take the time to read it. With my understanding of Romans 9, Paul is consistent with his point and the scripture he cites. He is making a comparison - not all Israel is of Israel. Comparing with - neither are the children counted for the seed (the promises to Abraham about the Messiah). These gifts and callings (for the promise) are without repentance. God gave it to Jacob before doing anything good or evil, without the ability to repent. The gospel does require repentance. I believe that what Paul is saying in Romans 9 is what he’s saying throughout the book. Especially from 8:28 yo the end of 11. I will also add this one point..... The Church at Rome Audience I believe that Paul is writing an occasional epistle to the Romans. The Jews and Gentiles weren't getting along. Once the Jews were allowed to return to Rome, they found their church to be quite different from when they left. Paul corrects their attitude towards the Gentiles. He directs his conversation towards the Jews for a while, then to the Gentiles...... Rom 2:17 ¶ Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, He then condemns their attitude in the remaining verses of this chapter. He continues his discussion with them in chapter 3..... Rom 3:1 ¶ What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 9 ¶ What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; He uses the phrase "we" and "Jews", speaking in the first person plural. Rom 4:1 ¶ What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? Abraham is the father of all who are in Christ, according to the promise, but not according to the flesh. That would be the Jews. Rom 7:1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? The Jews know the law. (Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:) Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. The ones who have the firstfruits of the Spirit are the Jews.... Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Rom 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Jas 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Back to Romans..... Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? "Us, Jews" is again in the first person plural. He switches his attention to the Gentiles here..... Rom 11:13 ¶ For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office Notice the direction he gives them..... Rom 14:1 ¶ Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. The Jews had trouble eating what was once "unclean". The Gentiles were to be careful not to offend. So the purpose of all of this, is that when Paul was speaking to the Jews, he quoted a lot more scripture and assumed they would know what he meant..... Rom 10: 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; This makes no sense without knowing this..... Deu 30:11 ¶ For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. Paul was speaking to the Jews in Rom 8. This is why he could say "we know that all things work together for good to them who love God". I would like to give you my view of “the golden chain of redemption” as well and how it fits so well with Romans 9-11. I don’t want to put too much on your plate though. Let me know when you’re ready. God bless

[@timothyharrison3431]

Ah yes, I remember my Calvinist days too well. Never happier to leave them behind. Actually, never happier period.

[@JesusIsLord-sp9tu]

Timothy Harrison Here’s a list of some of the 5-Point Calvinists that helped shape Christianity to what it is today: Martin Luther (Leader of the Reformation, freed us from the tyranny of Rome and made the Bible available to the common man) John Foxe (Author of “Foxe’s Book of Martyrs”) Matthew Henry (Author of “Matthew Henry’s Commentary”) William Carey (Baptist Missionary) Augustus Toplady (Hymnist/Author of “Rock of Ages”) Roger Williams (Established First Baptist Church in America) John Knox (Reformed Scotland/Defeated Roman Catholicism) John Newton (Pastor, Author of “Amazing Grace”) Jonathan Edwards (Pastor/Evangelist: Preached “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”) George Mueller (Prayer Warrior/Orphanage Founder) George Whitefield (Greatest Evangelist of the English Speaking World) John Bunyan (Author of “Pilgrim’s Progress”) Isaac Watts (Hymn Writer/Author of “Joy to the World, When I Survey”) The Translators of the “King James Bible” William Tyndale (Bible Translator, Martyr) Nicholas Ridley and Hugh Latimer (Martyrs) The Pilgrims (Bringing Christianity to a New World) The French Huguenots (Thousands Murdered for their Faith) John Rogers (Bible Translator, First Marian Martyr) Charles Spurgeon (“The Prince of Preachers”/Preached to 6000 people each Sunday morning, and is estimated that he preached to 10 million in his lifetime) J. C. Ryle (First Anglican Bishop of Liverpool) John Calvin (Author of “The Institutes of the Christian Religion”, and a leading Reformer) And many many more. These are the men who not only helped shape Christianity to what it is today, but who fought against the tyranny and false doctrine of the RCC. But I guess their deaths, works, and accomplishments are all in vain because they believed in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, which is today called “Calvinism”. Your belief system is based off Pelagius and Jacob Arminius, and was accepted by pretty much all of Christendom during those times to be a heresy. It wasn’t until the 1800s that it started becoming the main view of Christian doctrine. This is also the same time when apostasy started to creep into the church, which makes its sudden rise to the top, not so surprising. I pray God reveals the truth to you.

[@timothyharrison3431]

@@JesusIsLord-sp9tu Thank you for such a kind and thoughtful response! I can see you have a warm and kind heart. All I can humbly say is that is almost precisely what I would have said to a questioner of Calvinism back when I taught Calvinism. I will assure you that I disagree with Pelagius (he was always my first go too as well when I met someone who was not a Calvinist); there is no way I can work my way to Heaven- I must be made a New Creation. Also I disagree with Arminius because I am quite certain I cannot lose my Salvation. My sincere thanks again for your caring response!

[@timothyharrison3431]

Though I'd hardly call Luther a calvinist, btw.

[@JesusIsLord-sp9tu]

Timothy Harrison And thank you for your kind hearted reply. I often see a lot of hateful people in opposition to the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, but I’m glad to see someone who is open to discussion. This shows me that the Holy Spirit is with you

[@Mark-oo3om]

@@JesusIsLord-sp9tu God can use a donkey.

[@chaosinorder9685]

“Calvinism makes God worse than the devil.” I couldn’t agree more. The God of Calvinism is logically and biblically self contradictory...

[@MistyEry]

Yes agreed. I always thought this when I attended a reformed church shortly. He comes off as a narcissist who is insecure and needs to kill the vast majority of humans for his self glory. The God of the bible is full of loving grace and yet justice. He died for all man kind and offered free will. Those who would choose him would not perish.

[@einarabelc5]

I was afraid to say it but yeah, might as well become a Gnostic or a Mormon.

[@lionofjudahlambofgod9132]

Amen

[@wellactually21]

No its not lol, u need to read exodus

[@truecrime256]

True I feel the same am actually scared to even be His friend

[@jdude7650]

I am always amazed how tenaciously and mean spirited calvinists fight tooth and nail for a belief system thought up by a mere mortal to attempt to explain the mechanics of justification and state of man which is something only the mind of God can fully understand.

[@rabbitcreative]

To me, Cal is the ultimate, "I accept no responsibility for anything" card. Such garbage.

[@eliasbracamonte4297]

J Dude, I’m sorry that you’ve met some mean spirited people in your life but not all Calvinists are mean, in fact most if not every single one that I know of are pretty loving dudes :)

[@ethaneichhorst5800]

Well put!

[@timothykring4772]

Opinions are like j dude comments....every you tube video has one.

[@cassandragarcia5548]

@@eliasbracamonte4297 and 98 % of them WHITE MALES...Lol

[@godschild6417]

Calvinists come on this post to argue and try to call this man a heretic and yet at the same time say this man doesn’t have a choice to do what he is doing because God predestined him to preach this way and that it is God’s will to have this man speak this way... Why are you Calvinists complaining of what you claim God has already predestined to happen? And what claim God is making this man do? :/

[@jorgeruiz599]

God's Child your confusing his ordination with predestination and also the commandments towards men to obey as in this circumstance God telling us to correct each other doctrinally. If we take it how you say. Then we shouldn’t contend with the faith. And let all form of heresy go because it’s God’s predestination. Wrong. It’s God’s allowing will or ordained will.

[@risingdawn5788]

Jorge is right.. that's not what Calvinism (as what "Calvinism" is generally understood to mean) teaches.

[@52RGD]

@@jorgeruiz599, Can you please explain what is Ordination, and what is Predestination? Thanks....

[@jorgeruiz599]

52RGD It has to do with the will of God. God’s will is revealed in 4 different ways in the Bible all for the purpose of his glory. Revealed: what God says about himself in the Bible Secret: God’s will for my specific life ex. Whom should I marry or what should I major in college Prophetic : prophecy. Or predestined Allowed: when God command certain things to sinners yet sinners can disobey. Not because he sanctions or approves but because he is reserving his wrath for the day of wrath So ordained is what God allows to happen yet men being held responsiblebecause they did it out of their own will Predestined God directly and actively willing something to be Ex. God calls sinners to repentance yet no body seeks him Romans ch 3 (revealed will allowed will) God has his elect in which takes an active Salvatore role Ephesians 1 &2 Does this make sense? God is sovereign but yet men are responsible for their sin

[@52RGD]

@@jorgeruiz599, Thanks for your reply.... But I can't see that ordinaton is the same as allowing, I cannot see either that predestination is the same as willingness...

[@bobotey6368]

If I throw a life preserver to a drowning man and he refuses it, and bats it away, is it me or him who caused his death? Because God loves everyone, not everyone will love him back.

[@wellactually21]

God does not love everyone

[@CliftonBoje]

Are you saying that a sinner is merely a drowning man? What about his rebellious nature which hates God according to Romans 1 & 3?

[@beaminup]

@@CliftonBoje If he did not love everyone because of their rebellious nature, then ask yourself, "Why bother sending his only son to die for those supposedly hates." He died for us when we were still rebellious, not when we had turned from our wicked ways.

[@peterfox7663]

@@wellactually21 It seems it would go against Jesus's words to not love those who hate Him "If you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?"

[@jonnyw82]

Is that what Muslims, Hindus and Jews doing? Aren’t they also seeking God, asking for a life raft? The analogy is flawed.

[@markgordon8681]

Calvinism puts the devil out of work😮

[@tommysuriel]

Very well put.

[@genernator]

The devil is merely a tool in Gods hand. God conforms ALL things to the purpose of His will. The devil cannot thwart the plan of God. The devil begs not to be thrown into Hell before his time.

[@ShowCat1]

I actually had a Calvinist, my older brother, to tell me that prayer does not do anything because everything is already predetermined. So then I asked, "so are you saying that we should not pray?" He replied "Oh yes we are still supposed to pray, but prayer and faith do not do anything." I have heard many confusing statements like this made by Calvinist over the years.

[@CliftonBoje]

What makes your older brother a Calvinist? Can he show you from the Bible that prayer and faith do not do anything? Just because a person calls him/herself something doesn't necessarily mean he/she is. Think of how people call themselves Christians when they aren't truly Christians. Shall we define what it is to be a Christian by observing a false one? If a professing Christian acts like a heathen, shall we respond by declaring, "Christianity is false"?

[@TheEngineer19]

Your brother is not save, im sorry, calvinist god and Biblical God is nit the same..

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

@@TheEngineer19 Calvinist god is Satan

[@peteverhelst2088]

I think it sad that you’re brother said this to you. I’ll add some more confusion. God is a 100% sovereign and man is a 100% responsible. Further I read people making comments that would make God responsible for my turning my steering wheel left when I should have turned it right. Calvinism doesn’t teach that sort of thing. It teaches that people are unable to make a choice to trust God unless God first gives them that power. Don’t bother asking me to prove this point from scripture since that has already been done in previous comments by others. Personally I think that it is not helpful to start missionary activity with election in mind. Election is one of those things that belongs to the secret things of God. I’m not privy to God’s electing degree and it belongs that way. I’m the clay He is the potter. Romans 9.

[@Zaloomination]

Sounds like your brother is very confused about Calvinism and prayer.... I hope he is better since this post was started 2 years ago ..

[@cherokeegypsy2617]

Not only to be remembered as a murderer for burning another human being at a stake, Calvin should be considered a heretic as well.

[@jgvtc559]

Who did he burn

[@MistyEry]

@@jgvtc559 anyone he deemed as heretical. www.reenactingtheway.com/blog/john-calvin-had-people-killed-and-bad-bible-interpretation-justified-it

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

@@matthewturner6593 and any others

[@bravebarnabas]

The heresy of Michael servatus was a capital offense...ergo it wasn't murder as it was justified by the law. I don't believe calvin was even in charge of that law. He met with servatus and implored him to repent.

[@timothyrogers1964]

Loved to torch the Anabaptists

[@user-ch6fd4nt9n]

The Calvinist always think that they are the elect.

[@cynthiasnyder1561]

Lol! Yet, they can't see that about themselves. How convenient for them.

[@johnking9161]

Uh, yeah. Why in the world would a Christian not believe that there a Christian? What do you expect Calvinists to believe? That they are Muslims?

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

@@johnking9161 I expect them to believe they are one of the damned.

[@seth1223]

Yeah, same concept within the LDS or “Mormon” Church.

[@angloaust1575]

Greater theologians have preached predestination In the past and been attacked So nothing new about the Latest ones!

[@cassandragarcia5548]

Why did Jesus get pissed off at people when they didn't believe? Shouldn't he have gotten pissed off at the Father for them not believing?🤔

[@MV-fj3fd]

Agreed, though you have a rather blunt way of putting it!

[@johnnydough8841]

Denying Calvinism puts a nail in osas as well. If we have free will to BELIEVE then we have free will to walk away.

[@forg1vens1nner58]

Johnny Dough Not necessarily. Once we are sealed, we are sealed. We accept the free gift and we can’t be torn out of Christ’s body.

[@friedmotherboards2395]

Forg1ven S1nner wrong, the scripture says the last days people will depart from the faith. If you were saved and go back to your sins, you’re no longer saved as you have to be holy to be saved.

[@cassandragarcia5548]

@@friedmotherboards2395 Wrong....you can't be "saved" and "unsaved" in the same life time!

[@NoobToobJamarMemes]

To be a Calvinist you really have to ignore a huge swath of the Bible and cherry pick verses to justify your beliefs. Free Will is littered in the Bible, read it sometime.

[@chrismachin2166]

The Calvinist believes in free-will,but the human being is in bondage.He will not submit to God’s Law- nor can he do so.Those in the flesh cannot please God. Every person knows God exists,by being made in the image of God and God’s general revelation,but is suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. He (the unregenerate) is unable to come to God,he is dead in spirit,he does not seek after God. Only by the grace of God can he repent and have faith ( repentance and faith is pleasing to God,and as God states no one in the flesh can please God!) God calls the unregenerate sinner to Him at His chosen moment,the call is effectual ,the sinner is given a new “heart” and becomes a God lover from a God hater. All of God,nothing in the person that merits salvation,all for His glory,and we are forever thankful for the undeserved gift of saving Grace.

[@ryangalligan1040]

How far is your head up John Calvin’s crack? His religion is literally based off having no free will, and only a few are “elected”

[@rprestarri]

Give me a biblical definition of free will

[@NoobToobJamarMemes]

@@rprestarri I am not a dictionary, rprestarri. But feel free to give a dissenting opinion.

[@artifacthunter1472]

There’s not one verse in the Bible that says you have free will you are an absolute moron! The Bible says that God works all things after the council of his own will from ancient times to everything that you have done evidently you never read your Bible! Your free will is 100% presuppositions! You read it into your Bible! God only loves his elect and hates the rest whether you like it or not that’s why only few will find the truth!

[@zyn87]

You can't explain anything to a calvinist. You can point out how unbiblical their beliefs are, it don't matter. They will continue to argue their illogical BS all day long. It's almost cultish.

[@cynthiasnyder1561]

I agree. I believe it is a cult. They follow John Calvin rather than Jesus Christ.

[@DeepSouthern_Outdoors]

Apostle Paul had a word he used for BS and it's been translated out of our English bibles 😆 "scubala" was the common greek street name for excrement and is equal to our word "shit" and he used that word to describe his old self-righteous religious accomplishments before Jesus revealed himself inside of Paul. Lol so you can say "scubala" and it won't cause such a knee-jerk reaction in Christians

[@tonydardi332]

It’s because of pride. Calvinists are FULL of pride.

[@shieldofpistis9557]

@@tonydardi332 I don't know if they are full of pride. But they will not listen to anything that challenges their doctrine- even if it's the Bible itself- and it is just strange to me.

[@SimpleLasagna]

@@cynthiasnyder1561 that highly ignorant and a huge misrepresentation of calvinists

[@marie-on5yj]

Yes, God gave us all a choice! I never understood how people could have true confidence and faith in God under Calvinist beliefs.

[@theTavis01]

Removing the choice removes faith entirely

[@artifacthunter1472]

Romans 9:22

[@artifacthunter1472]

@@theTavis01 if God works all things after the council of his own Will from ancient times to everything not yet done how does that give room for your choices outside the will of God!

[@theTavis01]

@@artifacthunter1472 because God *_GAVE_* us a free will. You have to ignore Jesus' own words if you want to pretend like we don't have a will of our own that is potentially contradictory to God's will. Luke 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

[@beaminup]

@@artifacthunter1472 If God is in capable of sin, yet he works all things (meaning everything happens because he thought it), then how does this God of light who can not be sin himself, predestine rape, incest and murder? The definition of predestine it to pre determine. If you are a Calvinist, you must bend the definition of predetermine to get around this paradox.

[@tennesseeminnissi2445]

Amen! The Lord Jesus died for all and he loves us all. He wants all to come to him to give them abundant life.

[@artifacthunter1472]

That’s hilarious because the Bible does not say that! If Jesus died for all sin none would go to hell but the Bible says contrary you are wrong!

[@artifacthunter1472]

The problem is scholars don’t go to the original text and study in New Testament Greek and old testament Hebrew! You do not understand the word all! The word all does not mean everyone! God works all things after the council of his own Will from ancient times to everything not yet done! Freewill means you can choose Jesus and salvation on your own without God, that is 100% incorrect! God wants all and everyone of his elect to be saved! Every single one of them that God chose he will lose none!

[@thekosmickat]

All Christians believe in either limited atonement or universalism. Universalism means everyone is saved. Limited atonement means that there are criteria for salvation. It is a strawman to believe that calvinists believe in the minority being saved. Both Armenians and calvanists can believe in majority or minority of mankind coming to salvation

[@BPond7]

@@artifacthunter1472 Salvation is through Christ’s death and resurrection, not through election. If God created most of us for no purpose than to occupy Hell, and only a few of us to spend eternity with Him, then there was absolutely no point in Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. There would be no point in Him commanding us to worship Him, if He made us unable to do so. Calvinism is incoherent and incorrect.

[@whatsaiththescriptures]

Does that INCLUDE Pharaoh who was in HELL before our Lord was even born? Think about what you are saying.

[@ItsAndy__]

Mannn Calvinism is extremely evil, I almost believed it myself and it still ircks me to this day whenever I see something Calvinistic. I don't like it one bit, just how I don't agree with Calvinistic reformed theology, I hate it.

[@wellactually21]

That just means you're depraved in nature , it's truly sad , prayers over you man

[@matthewcooper4248]

@@wellactually21 We're all sinful, but you're saying someone who isn't calvinist is only so because they're depraved. The irony is completely lost on you and it's sad.

[@CliftonBoje]

Would you please be specific about why you hate so-called Calvinistic reformed theology?

[@tommykaira8775]

More like deformed theology

[@sinnersaved9208]

Jesus said “He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings..” John‬ ‭14:24‬ ‭ If I preach that God loves everybody and died for everybody, including those who have perished , then I do not love His sayings. “And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of (all) which he hath given me I {should lose nothing}, but should raise it up again at the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:39‬ There’s not one soul in hell right now for whom He died.

[@davidmorton856]

God is NOT willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance!!!! 2 Peter 3:9

[@MateoManolo-sl6xp]

2 Peter 3:1-9 [1] BELOVED, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I STIR UP YOUR PURE MINDS by way of reminder), [2] that YOU(Beloved) may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of US,the apostles of the Lord and Savior, [3] knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [4] and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." [5] For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, [6] by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. [7] But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [8] BUT BELOVED, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [9] The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, BUT IS LONG SUFFERING TOWARD US, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. IN CONTEXT FROM VERSE 1 THESE PASSAGES CLEARLY REFER TO BELIEVERS....NEVER ANYWHERE DOES THE VERSE YOU'RE HIGHJACKING REFER TO EVERYONE WHOEVER LIVED, CONTEXT KILLS YOUR POSITION.

[@larrybedouin2921]

We cannot be created as imagine bearers of God, without also being created with freewill.

[@charleseasterday3742]

I am having great difficulty in finding "absolute sovereignty" (a redundant term) in scripture" I am also struggling with finding a definition of sovereignty that means, "puppet master - controller of every thought, word and deed." Is Yahweh the supreme leader? Yes! Ultimate planner? Yes! Thinker of my thoughts and manipulator of my actions? If I were to say yes here, then He would be a liar, cheat, thief, adulterer, fornicater and guilty of tempting me with evil.Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

[@joeltunnah]

Charles Easterday, bingo. The god Calvinists worship has committed every atrocity known to man. Sounds evil to me.

[@alext.8456]

We have enough flesh in us to do evil, and the devil does his evil. God tempts no man. But there is an example in the OT where God COMMANDED a demon spirit to be a lying spirit in the false prophets to tell the King he would win the battle. God uses demons as tools, other people as tools, etc. God is not going to whisper to you, "Go lie to your wife" but if you are bent to deceive already, then he may withdraw his grace, maybe even command a demon spirit, have you lie to her so that He may bring about something else he has ordained to happen. You may not like such a God, but that is the God of the Bible.

[@fnxleague1552]

God is so great that He can maintain His sovereignty while also giving us free moral agency. He does a great deal through His recourse. If God predetermined everything God’s recourse would not need to exist

[@gflow8357]

Stephen Alex Trainer Bent to deceive?

[@LAStreetPreacher]

Charles- Read the best book on the subject of God's Sovereignty for FREE ***You will never be the same after reading this excellent book. www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/pink/sov2015_p.pdf

[@markrenton1093]

Many people refer to early theologians and not from basing the argument on the Bible .Stay with the Bible.

[@BassReeves600]

As you have stated stay with the Bible No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44 ESV But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 1 Peter 2:9 ESV Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness, Titus 1:1 ESV Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, Colossians 3:12 ESV And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. Romans 8:30 ESV And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? Luke 18:7 ESV Elect, chosen ones and predestination all biblical foundations. There are many more scriptures if you would like. God bless

[@pcharliew]

@@BassReeves600 No, that is foolishness. You are cherry picking. God is clearly, and I mean clearly, a God who gives us free will. God predestined Christians. But who would end up a Christian is up to us. This sermon destroys predestination: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2anqK2wo9ZmrrM

[@pcharliew]

@@BassReeves600 Only one of those verses is actually a strong predestination verse. Romans 8 is not in context of the chapter, of chapter 10, and the Bible at large. Didn't God tell Cain if he did good, he had nothing to worry about, but if he did bad, sin was crouching at his door? Didn't Joshua tell his people to choose for themselves which gods they will serve? Wake up David! Wake up sheep of reformed false doctrine. We have free will.

[@johnnydough8841]

@@BassReeves600 Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. That’s odd how are they resisting God?

[@shredhed572]

@@BassReeves600 Who were those that were drawn? John 6:46 "....everyone that has heard and learned of the Father comes to Me." They were already believers in YHWH Funny how you left out that verse.......only TWO VERSES LATER. 😆🤣😂

[@gregnixon1296]

Knowing an outcome isn’t the same thing as causing the outcome. That is my sticking point with Calvinism. Sometimes I feel like I study so that I will know what NOT to believe.

[@itlupe]

He touched on what most people, in my HUMBLE opinion, miss. Calvinism, Roman Catholicism, Luthernism, etc were created by man. These cults are men attempting to force their narrative on God's word.

[@mikemcnamara3777]

What do you know to be true about Catholicism? Investigate before you castigate. Look and you will find the truth.

[@emf49]

I agree. In my opinion, Calvinism is “vain philosophies and traditions of men”.

[@fightingwithtruth1698]

When I was a calvanist I never had peace and assurance of salvation!

[@HerreraFamilyAdventures]

Then you weren't a Calvinist lol

[@CliftonBoje]

What did you believe when you were a Calvinist which caused you to never have peace and assurance of salvation?

[@oracleoftroy]

Maybe this is just my Calvinist bias speaking, but to me this sounds like you can't trust God to save you, but you trust yourself to save you. I have assurance of my salvation because it isn't up to me, but a holy and perfect God who will save every one of his people. If it were up to me to any decree, I would mess it up.

[@fightingwithtruth1698]

@@oracleoftroy uh no calvanist are counting on your fruits and do you think you produce Godley fruit every second of the day and week? I no longer count on my ability to do good works but absolutely trust in Christ for salvation and not whether I'm producing fruit or not. If you watch any calvanist preach like Paul washer he's always counting on his own abilities!

[@soukignacio3935]

Yeah me too

[@hotflash7486]

I have never understood why anyone would choose Calvin's theory over God's word. Calvin is a mere man with a theory. Even he doesn't know, with 100% assurance, that his theory is accurate.

[@edwinnunez7538]

Hot Flash that’s a false assertion, we can consistently follow God’s Word to understand what he’s saying because for one, he’s given us the minds to do so and 2, he knows how to reveal himself perfectly the problem isn’t the revelation, it’s the individual reading it. It’s clear, it’s only a matter of wether you’re gonna suppress his Word and embrace tradition over it, or test your traditions by the Word

[@hotflash7486]

@@edwinnunez7538 I can tell by your response you didn't understand my statement. I disregard Calvinism because it contradicts Scripture. God's word doesn't need Calvinism, it stands on its own merit.

[@edwinnunez7538]

Hot Flash we believe in all of scripture so if you wanna be consistent in your reading of everything in the Bible you have to recognize God’s sovereignty over everything including, man and their salvation. I’d just have to ask you believe Jesus died for every human?

[@hotflash7486]

@@edwinnunez7538 Yes because John 3:16 is a declaration.

[@hotflash7486]

@@edwinnunez7538 You can't believe in "limited atonement" AND John 3:16. So, I choose John 3:16.

[@coryabouaf7713]

Great wisdom in exposing the basic consequences of believing Calvin's gospel which is to most bad news!

[@TheBenevolentDictatorship]

Well, scripture is pretty clear that the gate is narrow which leads to life and the road which leads to destruction is wide. So, yes, no doubt most will be lost, which is bad news

[@thelegendofneo]

@@TheBenevolentDictatorship but the gospel IS the directions to the narrow gate. So ur contradicting yourself. The gospel is the good news because it’s announcing the way to the narrow path is free and available to those who repent and believe. The gospel itself is good news if you believe the truth. If you believe calvinism it’s not. Because according to calvinism these people aren’t making their own decisions or choices. According to calvinism life is simply just a game of hope you were God’s favorite and he chose you to believe and go to heaven or not. Name me one Calvinist who claims to not be chosen? It’s easy to feel happy about what you believe when you assume you’re on the lucky team who got picked. But that’s just a complete distortion of God’s message he told us to spread to the world. And pride blinds many from realizing that. Calvinism is like a cult mentality. It feels good to be a part of because it makes you feel like you’re a part of a special club of awoken spirituality that’s truly just people tryna intellectually philosophize about God through out of context and misinterpreted verses.

[@TheBenevolentDictatorship]

@@thelegendofneo To deny predestination is to say that you chose when, where, to whom you were born, and decided everything about your being. Does God create everyone as He chooses? Of course He does. Does He know before we are born whether we will accept Christ or not? Of course He does. Could he have created those who will be lost in a way that they would be saved? Of course He could. God chose those whom are His, for His own reasons. If Scripture wasn’t abundantly clear on this point, there would still be no logical way around it unless God isn’t omniscient and omnipotent, in which case why trust any of God’s promises? Does the person born to a Muslim cleric have the same opportunity to accept Christ as a person born to a long line of pastors? Of course not. If our faith is what saves us, and our faith is of our own doing, they we are literally co-redeemer with Christ. I hated Christianity when God saved me. I didn’t do anything. It was 100% God, 0% me.

[@TheDivineCallingofJesusChrist]

@@TheBenevolentDictatorship you're getting faith and works mixed up. Good works comes from belief in Christ. It comes from faith. No works get you in the heaven. Predestination exists just not to the extent of Calvinists viewpoint from my understanding. If God predestined people to go to heaven or hell that defeats the purpose of him putting us here in the first place which would mean free will to choose him or reject him. God knows who's going to send who's going to end up in hell and who's going to end up in heaven he has fore knowledge of those events but he does not tell you what to do he does not control what you do he does not control whether you reject him or accept him he just knows about it it's called foreknowledge. If predestination is true from the Calvinism viewpoint then what's the purpose of people spreading around the nations of the world and spreading the gospel about jesus? There would be no point to tell people about Jesus there would be no point to Jesus with a viewpoint of Calvinism because everyone's already predestined. Repentance and believe in Jesus, died on the cross for our sins and that he is the Son of God. Repentance is also meaning the change in ones perspective, change of the mind realizing your sins realizing that you need Jesus Christ the Calvinism viewpoint rejects all of this. If you're predestined then what's the point about the gospel? There's a lot of red flags with Calvinism and it does not line up with scripture correctly. Limited atonement is very scary, imagine telling somebody about Jesus and then telling them that God already predestined those he likes to heaven and those he doesn't to hell. So what's the point in believing in the gospel if everything's already predestined? In my opinion the Calvinism viewpoint gets rid of the significance of Jesus Christ whom is the utmost importance of the world!

[@TheBenevolentDictatorship]

@@TheDivineCallingofJesusChrist I apologize for not reading your long reply. I think I get the idea of your post, albeit you seem uncertain. There’s simply no way around the fact that God chooses whom He will save. Even if you reject the Reformed doctrine, God still created us, with our character traits, genres, family we’re born into, what town of what country, the people who will cross our path, etc., etc. You agree God knows before we are born if we will be saved or lost, and yet created us as He so chose anyhow, when He knows exactly what it would’ve taken for someone to come to saving faith. Your portrait of God is impotent and puts Himself at the mercy of man’s will. Suffice to say, when, where and to whom one is born is logically a form of predestination. The pastor’s son is obviously many, many times more likely to be saved than the Muslim cleric’s son. My original point is that the wages of sin is death, not eternal hell. Scripture couldn’t be any more clear on this point.

[@shieldofpistis9557]

This is a very powerful lecture that calvinists need to watch.

[@artifacthunter1472]

How about you need to study your Bible every one of the points of Calvinism is actually in the Bible!

[@shieldofpistis9557]

@@artifacthunter1472 Total depravity is not. Did God not tell Cain that if he did good good things would happen, if he did bad sin was crouching at his door? Did Joshua not tell the people "choose for yourselves which god's you will serve?" As far as unconditional predestination, do you think the rich young ruler failed to follow Jesus because he was attached to his money and way of life, or do you think in the context of the story he was predestined to not believe? Obviously the latter. Of course one can make biblical arguments for certain elements of Calvinism. I can make biblical arguments for drinking wine and not drinking wine. This is the deal. There are a few (and I emphasis "few") biblical passages that imply some form of predestination. However, there are tons of biblical passages that imply free will. It's not even a close argument. When we say that Jesus only died for those already predestined to be saved- and He did nothing for those headed to hell- why don't you understand you are dishonoring the sacrifice of Jesus?

[@shieldofpistis9557]

@@artifacthunter1472 Yeah, that's what I thought. No rebuttal. Thanks for agreeing my side has more logical case.

[@lydiahumphreys4098]

@@shieldofpistis9557 While good may have happened to Cain, that doesn't mean he would have been saved. The bible says that All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Total depravity is saying that no one can know or desire God. No one can desire God because our hearts are "utterly deceitful and wicked above all else" (Jeremiah 17:9). We are incapable of truly desiring God because of our wicked hearts. Be careful saying that your side is more logical. Many wise men and women have been on both sides of the argument. Try to look on both sides and to rely more heavily on the bible than logic. The bible is God's word about the world and how it works, so what humans think seems more logical may not be what is actually correct.

[@shieldofpistis9557]

@@lydiahumphreys4098 Just because humans are wicked and sinful doesn't mean that total depravity is true. Total depravity is an extreme level that the Bible never comes to. Someone can be like the tax collector in the Temple. He recongized that he needed God because he was sinful. The Bible never teaches that a human is incapable of accepting Christ. Total depravity is a man made fallacy.

[@EliasB100]

The problem with this sermon clip is although he says he doesn’t believe in election or predestination, those words are in the Bible! How are they explained? He never says.

[@timothybierl2746]

If you take away the Calvinists interpretation of election and predestination, you can begin to understand that election is not about salvation, but service and predestination is about the what you are when you are IN CHRIST JESUS not predestined to be saved. When you are IN CHRIST JESUS, you are predestined to be Holy and Blameless. If you are IN Christ, you are Holy and Blameless.

[@robertmoon1018]

He's addressing the conclusions of the Calvinist lens, which is fairly on point. A great example where predestination is mentioned is in Romans 8:29 "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." When read carefully we see that foreknowledge precedes predestination here, and that the predestination is not to initial saving faith, but to sanctification. What initially caught my suspicion about Calvin was that he was a massive fan of Augustine, who introduced many gnostic beliefs from his manichaeism into his theology. Best advice is to tread carefully, be adept in the Scriptures, learn the roots of denominations and their fruit.

[@eensrds]

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." No purpose in doing so if all decisions about who is saved and who is not had previously been determined. "Might" like "may" means it could go either way. It means that someone is able to do something; it never means that he's not able to do it. The world's a big place, salvation extends beyond the borders of the Calvinist club.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

The next logical question you ought to ask yourself from your quotation of John 3:17 is what Jesus actually meant when He said He came to save the world...Does it mean He came as the promised Messiah to extend the promises made to the patriarchs to the Gentiles...or did He come to ensure universalism?

[@whatsaiththescriptures]

Why did you not read past John 3: 17 to verse 21?

[@JohnW-cf2kw]

Only a Calvinist can be so illiterate. ​@@choicemeatrandy6572

[@user-yv2bd7qm4p]

Greg Boyd is a very articulate and insightful pastor/ teacher and theologian. Anyone who is seriously grappling with the "problem of evil" should read his works.

[@chasechance711]

I am a 5-point Calvinist (not a hyper-Calvinist) and have no problem with people who consider themselves Arminian. However this sermon completely rejects other scriptures that prove God chooses His church. I strongly suggest to read John 6 and John 17

[@ricobonifacio1095]

During the days of Clement and Polycarp, guess who only taught predestination and pre-determinism? Gnostics. True its the only part that is the same, im not saying Calvinist are Gnostics, im just saying predetermination was not originally taught by very early church fathers.

[@greg731]

Well said my brother. Thanks

[@mrb532]

"You didnt choose me but I chose you" How do you explain that?

[@duanemcquillin9343]

Okay…read ALL of John 15. Who is Jesus talking to? He chose them for what? And if you are using this chapter for Soteriology Purposes, what happens to those who do NOT bear fruit? What happens to those who don’t remain? If you think God is an immoral sin causing God, then you have not understood Grace. There is NO gospel in Calvinism.

[@SugoiEnglish1]

@@duanemcquillin9343 Idiotic. You are leaving salvation in man's hands.

[@SugoiEnglish1]

FACTS!

[@joshnestberg5717]

​@dionsanchez2775 I likely agree with your soteriology but please don't call someone's belief idiotic. That isn't loving. I am not Arminian in my theology nor do I argue against Calvinism with such tenacity as they do but it is unloving for the sheep to treat each other like that.

[@ronsdad3736]

Great message!

[@FutureNotFixed]

Calvinism is a redefinition of sovereignty, grace, faith, justice, mercy, free will, predestination, election, reformation, and heresy. Here is how you prove Calvinism: if anybody questions or criticizes it, tell the objector that he 'misunderstands' Calvinism otherwise he would embrace it proving himself to be 'regenerated'. Tell the objector he commits a straw man or ad hominem fallacy, then hurl abuse at him calling him a heretic finneyite, an armenian, or a pelagian or semi-pelagian who congratulates himself for having saved himself by exalting his free will over God's sovereignty. Mock him by telling him you will pray for him and yell at him to REPENT knowing full well that he cannot unless God slips him a theological roofie first. And when you find those apologetic rules to defend calvinism(s) utterly fail, tell the objector that he needs to grow up and rejects logic and continues demonstrating ignorance. And when these apologetics fail, ask him if he is suggesting that God is a liar or if he is trying to teach Mormonism or Jesuit theology. Never permit yourself to be put on the defensive so demand a verse to prove that Jesus was not really Jewish or something like that. Keep demanding an answer and when the objector does not answer you, then call him a coward and block him. You have just proven calvinism at this point and can thank God you are so humble that you won and imagine all the angels and saints shaking your hand and congratulating you for being the great champion in your humility. And after Jesus tearfully thanks you and diminishes then the moment of glory arrives when John Calvin parts the sea of witnesses, comes up to you and embraces you into his eternal arms.

[@theTavis01]

LOL! Spot on

[@Robwolf28]

In Judaism, the Pharisees solved this problem a long time ago they believed there was predestination and free will. Well according to Flavius Josephus in his writings The Antiquity of the Jews and The Jewish wars. In fact, the Calvinist beliefs resemble Essenes, and there are the other extreme the Sadducees who believed it was all free will and chance.

[@eouzcuemarz3114]

I have jut one question, what if John Calvin was not chosen by God either that so called predestined to eternal life?

[@mrmomtime111]

Eouz Cuemarz then he goes to hell. What’s wrong with that?

[@godschild6417]

Geoff Dick because John Calvin was a Calvinist and that’s where you get your theology from :/

[@creationexplored6976]

"We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen." 1 John 4:19‭-‬20 NASB I just wanted to add this to the posts and say, I love you all. No matter your soteriological beliefs.

[@joshnestberg5717]

Good reminder

[@savedbygrace8337]

Ephesians 1:4 “According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

Of course He chose us before the foundation of the world. He FOREKNEW who would respond to His message of salvation so He chose them. Duh.

[@CliftonBoje]

@@endtimesareuponus8930 So are you saying that God learned something?

[@shaneyeestudio]

@@CliftonBoje Exactly

[@joshnestberg5717]

+savedbygrace8337 Amen. There are too many verses in the Bible supporting what Calvinists believe to ignore.

[@carrotstick1970]

John 3:16: “Whosoever.” I am so grateful to be a “whosoever.” Thank you, Jesus, that Your Word teaches me the powerful, indisputable truth that “. . .whosoever believeth in you shall have eternal life,” (John 3:16) and that it is the will of God that all men be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:4)

[@de629]

"Whosoever" is an indefinite relative pronoun which is not in the Greek text. They are translating a participle which would be better rendered "that the ones believing " or something similar. My point is that using this to say it's open for everyone is not in the text

[@de629]

PS God does want all men to be save not just the Jews, Jew a d Gentile.

[@carrotstick1970]

These are just a few thoughts on a beautiful Friday morning. I wish you well, and I thank you for such a thoughtful response. David Pawsom wrote a book called “Once Saved Always Saved?” in which he discusses the Greek that translates “whoever goes on believing,.” So, I agree with what you shared; however, I also believe that the Bible is for the simple. If some truth is above the head of a simple country farmer with an 8th grade education, it is simply a truth that is not necessarily to be grasped. We must reconcile the clear passages on election with the passages like 1 Timothy 2:4, that it’s God’s will that all men be saved. I am thinking one cannot be true to the exclusion of the other. It’s all true, and only God knows where these truths join. To have the idea that all are not potentially among the elect thwarts evangelism. We don’t know who is among the elect and who isn’t, so we must have the perspective that each person we see or meet could very well be among the elect, so we must live and teach and pray with the heart that all may be among the elect. As Spurgeon said,, “It would be nice if the Elect wore a giant “E” on their backs, but they don’t.” So we must push forth and evangelize to all, knowing that it is God’s desire that everyone be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. To say the gospel is not open to everybody sounds to me like fingernails are going down a chalkboard simply because I know not all will be saved, but I don’t know who is and who isn’t, so in my heart and mind, I must view everyone as though they are among those who will one day be saved. It is a worthy conversation to have. It matters. We both care deeply about the gospel of Jesus Christ, and we shared in a good exchange of truths and perspective.

[@de629]

@@carrotstick1970 I appreciate your kind and humble response.

[@carrotstick1970]

Richard Moore Your humble response to me was worthy of the level of sincerity and character you extended to me. Thank you for that. don’t have all the answers, but I have many questions. And, your point was a string point on the Greek translation of John 3:16 that is certainly bolstered by the like context in the rest of the New Testament. May you have a blessed and wonderful weekend, and thank you again.

[@stephenfoster9009]

Every time I watch Wesley/Arminian preachers try to “refute” predestination ( Which is a biblical doctrine which is part of our being in Christ) Wesley made a statement that was determinist predestination which presented God acting. With no consideration of God’s foreknowledge. It has gone downhill from there ever since.

[@truthseeker5698]

predestined to what? This is the question. Be wise in your response Stephen .

[@stephenfoster9009]

@@truthseeker5698 predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, our Lord, Jesus Christ

[@richardlee2701]

Are there other theological systems that can be studied excepts Calvinism Reformed theology?

[@Zaloomination]

He asks "How is God glorified by starving children?" Was it not God's plan to use the famine in Joseph's day to bring his people to Egypt? Are we naive to think there was no collateral damage there? That no children died in this famine? But God knew this famine would come, it was his plan, and God was glorified by the egyptians by Josephs interpreting of those dreams.

[@tangoseal1]

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.” Ezekial 18:4 God can do what ever He pleases and we have absolutely NO RIGHT to suggest He doesn't. This preacher is another one of the thousands that were prophesied by our Creator and King Jesus that it would be like the days of Noah where every intent of man is for evil. Just my humble 2 cents.

[@joshnestberg5717]

Two good comments but I disagree +tangoseal1. I don't think Jesus warned us about brother Greg or maybe He did but not based on what Greg said here. I admit I don't know Greg or anything else about him other than this video but anti-Calvinist preachers, while I disagree with them, are still God's children if they believe Jesus Christ is God and that He is the only way to get to heaven.

[@therealweenis]

"I think he's preaching in stocking feet." - DrOakley_

[@MarkTheMimic]

haha, I came to see for myself and it's true. This man is wearing socks with no shoes... all relevancy lost

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

Foot Fetish is a sin. Just in case. God bless you.

[@carrotstick1970]

therealweenis The only valid dispute of the clear, scriptural statements he has made need to include scripture Any other response is invalid.

[@CliftonBoje]

Who is the "any" referring to particularly in the context of 2 Peter 3 and even 2 Peter in its entirety? I'm asking this as a question of hermeneutics and grammar.

[@joelthompson90]

"If God loves everybody (and he does), then God also loves me." How beautiful.

[@Ckphoto80]

using the logic of man to disprove calvinism...

[@5ivepoints18]

Sinners choosing God 'FREELY' is as likely as a heroin addict 'FREELY' choosing rehab. We love our sin & without God's intervention we'd be content to wallow in it. I prize my election & thank God for it!

[@tsapp2831]

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[@laurencastillo9741]

@@5ivepoints18 wow. You are SO lost. Yes. God died for the heroin addict. He died for you, me and everyone else. Get over your pride and learn the truth and love and unconditional love of the Lord Jesus Christ! This doesnt give us a license to sin, we obey God not because we are elect! But because we LOVE Him, we WANT to be changed, we are a new creation! The message of Jesus Christ is LOVE. REPENTENCE. for ALL. And He loves us so much He gives US the FREE WILL to DECIDE if.WE want to come to Him. Abd there is no pre destination on that. If that were true what kind of a loving Father would God be? What would be the reason to preach the gospel if everything is already pre-destined? I'm pre- destined to respond to you? 🤣🤣 Come on. He reaches out to EVERYONE. That's the purpose of PRAYER. Calvinism is ridiculous. What would be the point of praying if everyone was pre destined to be in their sin? The point of the Gospel? It makes NO SENSE. Please repent. Look to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Not John Calvin, the author and finisher of our faith.

[@gunnart1305]

You forget that Calvinism is also the logic of man

[@MansterBear]

So how does foreknowledge work in arminianism? Does God know who will be saved before they are saved? or is it like a happy surprise when someone gets saved? or does he just not know the future and plays catch up with man's doings?

[@phillwithskill1364]

MansterBear On Arminianism, God has infallible foreknowledge of all who will and will not be saved according to their own free choices. If you think that God’s infallible foreknowledge and Human Freedom are incompatible you really need to look into the reasoning as to why it is fallacious to conclude that. Something called Ockhamism is one solution and the other solution is called the Augustinian/Frankfurtian solution. God predestines/elects the group of people made up of those whom He foreknew would put their faith in Him.

[@MansterBear]

@@phillwithskill1364 Ok. See I was raised with the view of what you said in the first part, but with the "Eternal Security" view of Calvinism. So I guess maybe kind of a hybrid. Talking to my pastor about it, he said he jokingly calls himself a 2 1/2 point Calvinist. I assumed the Total Inability and Limited Atonement were the 2 points he didn't agree with. Either way, the problem I run in to is if God knows what we will do before we do it, then that is what we will do. So the line between His foreknowledge and our "will" seems blurry because if he knows that I will fail and sin next week... then it's not like I can change that and NOT sin, because then his foreknowledge wouldn't be perfect. I'll usually look into this subject for a week or so, then kind of come to the point that it's a "secondary" issue (as in you can believe either and still be saved, imo) and move on. Mainly because I kind of feel like that we, as being completely and fully bound by space and time, will probably never be able to comprehend things that are done outside the bounds of space and time. But then it does seem to have an big affect on apologetics, or how I explain things to my kid. Before I would just go with what I was taught in the past, or what kind of "made sense" to me. Now, after hearing the arguments for the reformed view, they are very persuasive. And it's almost impossible to read through Romans or Ephesians and not feel like it screaming Reformed doctrine now, after hearing that perspective. I don't want to just stick with what i was taught as a kid, because there's a risk of just sticking to my traditions. I never want to hold to a tradition of truth of God's Word, even if the truth seems a little "harsher" or isn't what i was taught growing up. Either way, thank you for the information. I will look into Ockhamism and Augustinian solutions you suggested. Thanks!

[@phillwithskill1364]

MansterBear Ockhamism coupled with a view called Molinism is what I hold to. Molinism allows for a hybrid of Calvinistic and Arminian views. Check out William Lane Craig’s Defenders series on Molinism, Divine Foreknowledge, and Salvation. He’s a Molinist and I hold to most of his views. There are actually much better nuanced interpretations of Ephesians and Romans that avoid the Calvinistic overtones. One thing that always gets me is the fact that all of the earliest Christians for the first 300+ years of Christianity all unanimously denied unconditional election and determinism. Matter of fact, it was only the gnostic heretics that held to deterministic views of God! Why is it that all these faithful men of God, who were all very close to the time of the apostles (some were even taught by them) and spoke the koine Greek and refuted all heresies that were raging at the time, why is it that those guys all believed in traditional free-will and conditional election? If Calvinism is the truth, why was it totally absent from the church for 300+ years? These early church fathers read and interpreted Ephesians and Romans and they never once understood the passages to infer modern day Calvinistic ideas.

[@risingdawn5788]

​@@phillwithskill1364 But the problem is that the whole concepts of "free will" in, say, Molinism, seems to be wrong to me, in that it implies autonomy. Unregenerate people do not choose God because they want their sin, whatever it may be. Romans 3:11-12. It's only by the grace of God that people turn to the Lord in repentance and faith.

[@phillwithskill1364]

RisingDawn I believe that we can do no good works apart from God’s grace but I still believe that scripture teaches that we have libertarian free-will. So many scriptures teach that we have the ability to do otherwise where Calvinism denies this in holding to “compatibilistic free-will” in which we don’t have the ability to do otherwise yet we are still free because everything that God ordains that we do is what we wanted to do anyways. I believe that Christ has drawn all people to himself, I believe that he is the light of the world (not just the light of the Elect), I believe Christ died for all and desires none to perish but all to come unto salvation. So you’re right that we cannot do good a part from God’s grace but: Titus 2:11-12 (NASB): For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,

[@Ronald47798]

Beautiful exposition!

[@lawrenceehrbar8667]

I've been a Christian since 1986 and the first I had ever heard Calvinist teaching was in 1997 or so. I came upon it through hearing Harold Camping on the radio. Is it just me or is this conflict (predestiny vs free will) becomming more commonplace than ever before?

[@cynthiasnyder1561]

Amen! God bless you for speaking the truth!

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

Calvinims is diabolical.

[@timothykring4772]

You are diabolical.

[@CliftonBoje]

You have made a strong declaration. Please explain why you think Calvinism is diabolical.

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

@@CliftonBoje Calvinism is heresy

[@CliftonBoje]

@@endtimesareuponus8930 Could you articulate the heresy for me?

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

@@CliftonBoje you don't read all of the Bible? Educate yourself. Don't ask me to educate you. I'm busy.

[@charlesheller4667]

What is Pastor Boyd's view of End Times eschatology?

[@mistertornado2303]

Question: Why would I want to choose God? The heart is wicked above all else, right? If I'm a sinner dead in my sins and trespasses, why would I choose to submit to a holy Being when I could be the king of my own life? Man's nature is so vile, why would anyone choose to follow God?

[@joshnestberg5717]

Good question

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

If a calvinist sins, was it God's will that he sinned... or did he have free will in making a decision to sin or not. . .? Peter 3:9, KJV: "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Ephesians 1:4 KJV 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: ... I looked up the word "US" ...in my Strong's concordance for Ephesians 1:4... "US" is not a limiting word..it means "US"... God has predestined everyone of "US" to be saved....but he love "US" so much that he gave "US" a Free Will choice, "Whosoever Will".... John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 5:24: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” John 6:40: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “ John 6:47: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 7:38: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” John 8:24: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” John 11:25: “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” John 11:26: “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” John 12:46: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” John 16:27: “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.” John 20:31: “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” Acts 2:21: “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Acts 5:14: “And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)” Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:13: “Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.” Acts 8:37 (8:35-38): “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” Here are just some of the verses that say we are saved by faith.... So when will you repent of your Calvinism and be saved by faith in Jesus name... Calvinism can not save you, you need to repent of your sins, then put your faith in Jesus like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane, you can't just look at the parachute... You have to put it on...by faith put on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved... Your teachings of Calvinism is not correct... You would be correct if there wasn't other verses that talk about free will... Did Jesus have Free Will or was he predestined to die on the cross without any choice? Jesus said no man takes my life, I give it up...freely. John 10:18 Romans 9:33 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. "whosoever" believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Anyone, it's not a limiting term to them that have been chosen... Whosoever...anyone all people. 3956 strong's greek concordance "Whosoever" all (731), all the things (7), all...things (1), all kinds (1), all men (14), all people (4), all respects (3), all things (126), all* (1), always* (3), any (16), any at all (1), anyone (3), anything (3), anything* (1), continually* (6), entire (4), every (128), every form (1), every kind (9), every respect (1), every way (2), everyone (71), everyone's (1), everyone* (1), everything. Everyone, Whosoever...is All that choose to believe... it's not limiting to them that have been chosen it's available to All peoples....

[@codyleslie478]

Amen! The scriptures dont lie!

[@cynthiasnyder1561]

Amen!!!

[@CliftonBoje]

In 2 Peter 3:9, what is the context and who is his audience? Grammatically, who is the "any"?

[@CliftonBoje]

What is your definition of free will?

[@CliftonBoje]

Does God have free will? If He has a completely free will, then how can humans also have a completely free will?

[@nathanandnickSherbetImage]

Great. I agree toatally. Jesus said I will draw all men to myself. Thank you.

[@CliftonBoje]

Does everybody go to Jesus?

[@johnnyhernandez6067]

Can anyone explain to me Psalm 5:5 or 11:5?

[@tommysuriel]

what don't you understand? They're pretty straightforward.

[@jofantioch]

Predestination is a necessary belief for the institution of slavery to thrive. This belief has infected virtually all American denominations to some extent. This is a lovely little nugget

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

"We believe that people thwart God's will" Thats where you lost me. The difference between the idols of this world and the true and living God is that idols can be thwarted.

[@thelegendofneo]

Is it God’s will for a christian to sin?

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

@@thelegendofneo No

[@raymondrinehart5957]

I can't tell you the number of times a heresy hunting Calvinist has stated their absolute belief in double predestination then turn right around in the same conversation and accuse whatever Christian personality they are attacking (for essentially not being like John Macarthur) of leading people to hell. When I respond with something like " You don't believe a person has the ability to lead anyone to hell because the eternal destiny of every person is prewritten by God and cannot be changed or influenced by another person," they always respond with either trying to explain Calvinism to my lesser mind or they just try to give me verbal discipline about how I need to repent or line up with the doctrines of Grace. For whatever reason when this happens , I still have not had a single Calvinist acknowledge that they very obviously contradicted themselves. It still blows my mind every time and I have this same experience on a very frequent basis.

[@endtimesareuponus8930]

They're too prideful

[@Kay-br7by]

@@endtimesareuponus8930 honestly smh🤦🏽‍♂️

[@believein1]

Praise God for this sound and Biblical teaching.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

It's not found here 😢

[@st.christopher1155]

The Gnostic- Manichaean-Augustinian-Calvinistic doctrines of demons have been around for millennia, so to think you can slay that dragon 🐉 in 10 minutes is just a tad optimistic. ✝️📖😇

[@jamesl7696]

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

[@calvinpeterson9581]

Yes God works out everything to it's proper end, even the wicked for the day of destruction.

[@jamesl7696]

@@calvinpeterson9581 No, The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

[@calvinpeterson9581]

@@jamesl7696 evangelicalarminians.org/category/scripture-index/proverbs-164/

[@stevensingleton1855]

Brother you can't take one verse to build a foundation for double predestination. Especially when there is so many verses that would contradict it. It must be viewed by the whole council of God, God will be glorified by the judgement of the wicked for His holiness will be on display. God doesn't make people sin, He has no part with the transgressor nor does He tempt man to sin. God cannot be the cause of sin, for then He wouldn't be God.

[@tommysuriel]

This verse simply means, he's the creator. The wicked became wicked by themselves not because God made them wicked. To suggest otherwise makes God evil.

[@thomasbranton2392]

Categorizing and debating believers regarding a mystery that will never be fully understood in our finite minds is fruitless, divisive, and destructive to the church. I do not call myself a "Calvinist" but only believe that what the Bible says is true. Jesus said "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own." When lost, a sheep has no ability to save itself and is totally dependent on the shepherd to save it. I do not give myself any credit for salvation; it was all by the grace of God, and I praise Him!

[@codyleslie478]

The scriptures also say "whosoever will may come" "for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

[@joshnestberg5717]

Amen +thomasbranton2392

[@michaelciccone2194]

What's up with the all the tech gadgets on the platform?

[@ChristmySavior3]

The issue with Arminianism, is that you have to deny scripture to fit your pov. Calvinist make sense of all scripture, or at least we aim to

[@joshnestberg5717]

Yes

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

Brother preeeeeeeeeeeech it!!! Glory to God 🙌👏

[@charlvandenheever8878]

Real manna from above...taste and see that the Lord is gooood

[@AlanaL3]

Praise the Lord for He is gooood!!!

[@dannyreasons6070]

You left Calvinism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@AlanaL3]

@@dannyreasons6070 yes I did:) 4 years ago

[@DDREASONS]

I listened to your story. Loved it.

[@AlanaL3]

@@DDREASONS that’s awesome:) thank you❤️ the Lord has helped me so much these last 4 years…it’s been so hard is so many ways, but I wouldn’t change it because of where I am now. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@DDREASONS]

You may be able to offer me some advice. My Church has called a pastor and I think he Is some kind of Calvinist. He preaches the gospel clearly, but all the people he quotes are Calvinists. He tells me that he is not one, but that could be Symantecs, since he could mean reformed. I am not too familiar with these new age calvinists and how they can be so evangelical and deterministic at the same time. He has me puzzled

[@Bobshinglebottom]

All I would say is this. Was I looking for God when I was a sinner? No. He came looking for me. He came and knocked on the door of my heart. It was nothing I done. Once he showed me his love and mercy, I wasn’t about to turn it away. If I told you your house was on fire and I gave you the choice to stand with me outside or you could go inside, which would you chose? You would be stupid to go inside. God showed me I was a sinner. He showed me that there really is a heaven and a hell. Not that I truly see the truth, why would I choose hell?

[@robmullin1128]

The Adventurous We Urs once a person hears the gospel they have a decision to make, some are moved to accept and others aren’t. The rejection could be due to factors such as unbelief, culture and so on.

[@Bobshinglebottom]

Rob Mullin You have to look at what Paul teaches in Romans. That none seek after God.

[@Bobshinglebottom]

Rob Mullin kzbin.info/www/bejne/qICUnZ6lhpyNgsk

[@matts.6558]

⁠​⁠@@BobshinglebottomI think you need to look at the context and overall message of Romans to understand what Paul is saying in Romans 3, which is just quoting Psalm 14. The overall argument of Romans 3 is that no one can achieve righteousness by the Law but there is a way of righteousness by faith. The Calvinist can attempt to say Romans 3 implies a naturally disabled condition of man to not be able to seek God as a result of the fall, but the burden of proof falls on them to do so. Because it contradicts other very clear scriptures like Acts 17:24-27 which indicates ALL mankind is able to feel their way towards Him and find Him The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,c 25nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,

[@SOULSafeProductionZ]

This guy gets it! I mean he completely gets it!!!

[@clifforddavis9952]

Am I really supposed to believe that in ten minutes this man has accurately clarified what theologians have debated and written volumes about for centuries? To make it that simple is to misunderstand...

[@JMRabil675]

This is wjat early church fathers believes though. Calvinism is a recent doctrine. And what stupid logic. Because its simple means its wrong? The Gospel was made as simple as possible, even Paul said the message was simple. You are REALLY stupid lol

[@abomination2theLord]

Thanks Greg Boyd for a simple answer for a simple guy that I am and GOD made! Love 4Truth!

[@daviddeck1974]

For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and we those who find it are few.

[@TheReformedPagan]

First 1:55 sounds like an argument a baby christian very new to the faith would offer or an argument very much in the same vein a non believer would offer "if God made us, why would he send us to hell" type reasoning. As he's speaking, scripture is just running through my mind refuting each of his weak points and statements about the very nature of God and the gospel. I mean, to someone not concerned with theology and sound doctrine as a result of diligently studying the word, I suppose this very liberal and post modernist all inclusive message sounds good? To me it's a few steps away from saying "God loves you the way you are, he died for everyone, let's put a pride flag outside the church because Jesus blood saves everyone"

[@joshnestberg5717]

I got the same feeling listening to this

[@JLeppert]

Saying God wants all to choose Him, and He died for all is NOT universalist. Calling this man a Universalist is an attack because Calvinists have no real answer to what he's saying here.

[@hotwax9376]

A universalist is someone who believes that all will be saved. He's not saying that. Some will be saved, and others will not, but everyone has the opportunity to be saved. You are right to say that this doctrine is not universalism. Saying that everyone CAN be saved is different from saying that everyone WILL be saved.

[@mollygriffith2073]

Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your SEED and her SEED; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." Hebrews 2:16 - For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham. Matthew 13:38-39 - and the field is the world; and as for the good SEED, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; [39] and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. Could it be that Jesus died for the whole HUMAN race (the SEED of Adam)?

[@spinfowars8958]

think about it this way - if God wants all ( every single person in the world ) to chose Him - why did Jesus speak in parables and then explain the reason was so that they WOULD NOT hear and WOULD NOT see ? He said He spoke in parables to fulfill the prophesy of Isaiah ] 10, ¶ Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11, And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12, A For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13, This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14, Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: ‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.” Mat 13:10-14 (ESV) [ It is very hard to find context to twist the meaning of this as some do to romans 9 to say that this text does not mean what it says [ but some people still attempt to do so ] when you look at these verses and many other verses in the bible - you eventually will find out that Jesus did not pay for the sins of every single person in the world - even though the verse reads that he died for the sins of the world [ take Esau as an example - along with the vast majority of people that will never have faith in Jesus [ romans 9 proves that if God did not choose to save some - then no one would ever be saved - because we are all the same [ there are not some people that are different than other people - so that - when some people hear the gospel they reject and other people who are different - when they hear the gospel - they receive it - [ the parable of the soils is not about soils being different because the soils chose to be the way the were ] it is about God who prepares the soil with rain to accept the seed and preserves and protects the plant to grow - or in the other case - He leaves the soil dry or lets it remain among rocks or allows the weeds to come up and choke it [ the bible is about God and His works - His dealing with a wayward rebellious people [ people get confused when we try to think the bible is about us and how we can do good and make decisions on our own to choose right over wrong [ Adam and Eve are the prime example that we could not - would not - and never will be obedient by our own free will [ we were there with Adam and we rejected God - we were there when Christ was killed and we were ashamed of Him [ the bible teaches that before God does a work in us - we are SLAVES to sin and we do the work of satan [ take the example of the Israelite people who were slaves in Egypt - they could not chose to leave and and go serve God [ it took the power of God to free them [ Lazarus was dead [ it took the power of God to make him alive [ that is the picture of salvation [ it is God centered and not dependent on man - his will or his choice [ romans 9 [

[@sfaoldguy]

Because if they had believed, Jesus would not have been crucified. Notice that passage refutes your own position that man "can not" or "will not" turn apart from being regenerated first. If someone must be regenerated first, then there is no need to speak in parables.

[@charleseasterday3742]

Arminianism is not fully correct and Calvinism is far from correct. If you all are embroiled in an ism you do not possess the whole truth. You must understand the whole nature of God, the reason for the fall, what sin really is, what Jesus did in the cross and why. The other problem we westerners have is that we think like westerners! We compartmentalize the Bible with western thought, we re-formed the Catholic teaching which eliminated the Jewishness of scripture and we didn't restore it. We fail to comprehend terms, phrases, sayings and so completely error in our "interpretations" that it's no wonder our denominations abound in numbers! Our Christianity is pathetic, weak and devoid of Christ, a stench in God's nostrils! Why do we call the creator of all that is by a complete, nondescript, function less, powerless term like, "God?" That's not the name He gave Abraham. We think too little of Yahweh and too much of ourselves!

[@willishall5897]

Very good,message on spot, cannot be refuted by any calvanist.

[@eppchoi]

You obviously dont venture into many other school of thought... maybe find someone who is at least equally studied in the other camp... And not some presupposition view because some Bible study leader in your church gave a quick 3 min answer to what Calvinism and Arminiasm was. (That was presumptuous ;))

[@jhq9064]

​@@eppchoibottom line is it's one half truth or the other. UR or CU makes sense to me!

[@coryabouaf7713]

HIsterical! I love it!

[@rockonmadonna]

Calvinism, as it has become since the council of Dort, is heresy. The issue of total divine predestinationism is a major theological difference between orthodox Islam, which is a twisted religion as if seen dimly in a mirror, and orthodox Christianity, which places love above power. Christ humbled himself to take on the form of a man and even unto death on across. He’s not all that interested in power. It would seem his focus is on love.

[@CliftonBoje]

You have made a rather authoritative claim that what was discerned at the Synod of Dordt is heresy. Can you establish/defend that claim?

[@ipaporod]

That's why I would never be a Calvinist, I believe in a loving and just God who would not play favorites among his creatures.If we as humans are 80% fair (just been conservative) in the way we treat and judge others imagine how fair and just God would be when judging someone before condemning him to an eternal hell!.God would not create someone without the capacity to be able to listen to his gospel of salvation for the sole purpose of sending him to hell while at the same time play favorites on others whom He created with the capacity to be able to receive his gospel and have eternal life at Jesus side in heaven.That would be injustice and cruel and God is neither!.

[@eppchoi]

You sound a lot like God...

[@vacadious]

I owes thought about pre destination as, we have the right to chose however he knows weather we will or not, so he knows, he pre destined us...can someone please tell me if this is wright or not

[@lydiahumphreys4098]

Predestination is the idea that God, before the beginning of time, looked into the future and chose who would be saved and who wouldn't. He then puts things in those people's lives to draw them to him, until one day they accept him. The view that you summarized is the idea of foreknowledge, which is the idea that God looks into the future and "predestines" people who will already choose him. This view is not really in holding with most calvinists.

[@markD5150]

Does it not say in revelations that There is a curse upon anyone who adds or takes away from the word of god? where in the bible does it mention TULIP?

[@the_real_toothbrush9314]

all 5 points of Calvinism are backed with scripture. If you haven't already, search for TULIP or the 5 points of calvinism and choose the first link. This will give a semi-deep breakdown with scripture for all points

[@markD5150]

@@the_real_toothbrush9314 most of which are taken completely out of context. How can you teach something that contradicting to the rest of scripture? Does the bible not say to go and make disciples? If some are predestined for heaven and others for hell what is the point in Sharing the gospel? Calvinism is a lie spawned in hell by the devil himself. There is nothing more debilitating to the spiritual life of a believer than to not know weather or not they are truly saved. Search the definition of a cult and tell me Calvinism does not share many similarities.

[@emanuelkournianos7412]

JESUS CHRIST’S TEACHING ABOUT ELECTION AND PREDESTINATION “Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.... You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.” John 8:34, 44 This is why Jesus says: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me drags HIM, and I will raise HIM up at the last day.” John 6:44 Notice that every person that the Father drags or draws to Jesus Christ is saved and raised at the last day. So not everybody is drawn to Jesus or all would be saved. But we know not everybody is saved. (Matthew 25:46) If a person is not dragged or drawn to Jesus by the Father choosing them (for reasons known only to God - Ephesians 1:4-5, 11) they will never come to Jesus because we are all born slaves to sin and dead in sin. ( Ephesians 2:1-5) Jesus says: “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe. This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN come to me unless the Father has ENABLED them.” John 6:63-65 If you do not believe what Jesus says above, then you are not one of Jesus’ sheep because Jesus says: “You do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” John 10:26-30 “There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the LAST DAY!” John 12:48 Notice that Jesus raises believers at the “last day” and also condemns unbelievers at the “last day.” Therefore the events described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13- 5:4 take place at the “last day” and not at a heretical pre-tribulation rapture. Jesus says: “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me!” John 10:27

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

CALVINISM FOR SURE TEACHES PUPPET THEOLOGY. WE ARE INDEED PUPPETS ON A STRING OR GOD MADE US LIKE ROBOTS HAVING NO FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS. GOD IS NOT A PUPPET MASTER PULLING ON OUR STRINGS SO THAT WE DO WHAT HE WANTS APART FROM OUR OWN WILLING OR DOING. PUPPET AND ROBOT ANALOGIES DON’T WORK WITH GOD MY MAN. FOR CALVINISTS GOD IS JUST INCAPABLE ON WORKING WITH PEOPLE. OUR OMNISCIENT AND OMNIPOTENT GOD CAN’T DO THAT. THE CALVINIST GOD HAS LIMITATIONS. CALVINISTS HAVE NO PROBLEM AFFIRMING THAT GOD DOES NOT COERCE THE LOVE OF HIS HUMAN CREATURES. MY GOD BY MERCY ALONE, THROUGH SOVEREIGN GRACE, AND BY HIS ETERNAL DECREE CHOOSES TO LOVE US FIRST. I TRULY WORSHIP A RIGHTEOUS, LOVING, MERCIFUL FULL OF JUSTICE GOD WHO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD. 1 JOHN 2:2 MAKES IT VERY CLEAR. DO YOU FOLLOW JOHN CALVIN OR JESUS CHRIST? YOU INDEED LOOK SO EXCITED BEING A HARDCORE CALVINIST WHEN READING YOUR MESSAGE. YOUR FOUNDER JOHN CALVIN WAS INDEED A COLD BLOODED MURDERER WHO USED TO TORTURE AND BURN PEOPLE ALIVE SAVAGELY FOR NOT AGREEING WITH HIS THEOLOGY. MR. CALVIN ACTIONS ARE BLASPHEMOUS AND SO SICKENING. HTTP://WWW.REENACTINGTHEWAY.COM/BLOG/JOHN-CALVIN-HAD-PEOPLE-KILLED-AND-BAD-BIBLE-INTERPRETATION-JUSTIFIED-IT. MR. CALVIN DOES INDEED LEAVE ALL CALVINISTS WITH A REAL BAD REPUTATION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT. MY GOD INSTRUCTS ME TO LOVE, HELP, GIVE AND FORGIVE. THAT INCLUDES MY ENEMIES. NOT TO TORTURE AND KILL THEM. YOU WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH MR. CALVIN COMMITTING THOSE INHUMANE HEINOUS CRIMES. GOD BLESS YOU.

[@RightlyDivide365]

Thank you

[@soukignacio3935]

The first verse is we are all Sons of Wrath but Jesus said if you continue in my word then you are may desciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

[@joshnestberg5717]

Well said

[@brianladyman6426]

I will affirm the doctrine by referring to Romans 9.

[@joshnestberg5717]

Yeah, Romans 9 is pretty hard for the Arminian to explain away

[@charlespackwood2055]

Very clear explanation. Thank you.

[@fredr7217]

Please provide scriptures.

[@Species-rj9si]

Calvinism in a nutshell: A man has two sons. He murders one just because he can, no other reason. The remaining son is expected to love, honor and obey his father regardless of what the Father did. Here's a flash for you: The "god" of Calvinism is not the loving God of the Bible.

[@davemitchell116]

Bang! Zoom! Right on the nose!!

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

That's a false analogy and a false equivocation. How about instead of making false analogies you just stick with what the Biblical text says about the state of mankind?

[@TheEngineer19]

Agree, can never understand why some non calvinist call them brother, when they confessed to another God, another Jesus and another Gospel. A gospel that you need not to believe, but be FORCE to believe..

[@Species-rj9si]

@@choicemeatrandy6572 You didn't say why you think it's a false analogy, but that's typical. It's like being on trial where the prosecuting attorney has an opening statement, but no evidence.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

@@Species-rj9si You're the one who made a fallacious opening statement and a big thunderous objection got thrown in your face. Dont you think its helpful, especially to you, that if youre going to criticize a position that you first know what youre actually criticizing?

[@jimkraft9445]

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also after ye believed, ye were sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. We were not regenerated before we believed. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, (everybody) that He gave His only begotten Son, (Jesus) that WHOSOEVER, (anybody) BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

[@andrespalacio9530]

John 6:44

[@andrespalacio9530]

Ok. Let's go one by one (I'm a newbie but I'll do my best): John 12:32 = It can refer to the elect ones, easily. 1 John 2:2 = This verse doesn't states that everybody get saved. Or does it? 1 Timothy 2:4 = I see this verse as an equivalent of John 3:16. The Lord whises something even when He knows it's not going to happen. Romans 1:16 = This one doesn't contradict calvinist doctrine. It think it's quite the opposite if you think about it. "...The jew first"? Even after Jesus? Why? Romans 6:23 = You do know what the word "gift" means, don't you? Romans 11: 6 = I don't get where you see calvinism is about works. It's exactly the opposite of that. Now, check Mark 4:11-12 and then tell me the Lord doesn't exclude anyone. Finally, I think we should accept that we can not understand the complexity of His mind. We are called to obey His Will and to have faith in Him. That's it. Fortunatelly for us, His mercy doesn't requires our comprehention of things. God bless you, brother. And sorry for my english (smh).

[@jimkraft9445]

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. If I were a Calvinist, I would have to change that verse to this. For by grace ye are saved, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. I left out faith because if we are chosen we do not need to believe. Belief is not a work because it says we are saved by faith, not of works. So faith is not a work. Christ died for the sins of the whole world to everyone that believeth. How do you know you are chosen? You don't. You may believe you are chosen but not be saved because you are trusting in the fact that you were chosen. But you may have never trusted Jesus as the only way to be saved. Do you believe John 3:16 For God so loved the world, (everybody) that He gave His only Son, Jesus, that WHOSOEVER, (anybody) that BELIEVETH in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. Since I have everlasting life now, why do I have to persevere in the faith to stay saved. I am already saved by what Jesus did for me on the cross where He paid my sin debt in full. John 3:18 I can never be condemned again no matter what. Calvinism, Arminianism, and Lordship salvation are all false gospels. Once we believe the gospel we are chosen, but we are not chosen to believe. Faith comes from us. We have to believe it to receive the free gift of salvation by grace. We do not persevere in the faith to do something we already have. We do not get saved by making Jesus Lord of our life. We get saved by believing the gospel, First Corinthians 15:1-4 That all our sins have been paid in full. Past, present, and future. That Jesus was buried and rose again after three days. That is how I know I am saved. Not because I was chose. It is true that when I received the free gift of salvation I am now predestined to be raised at the resurrection. A person may believe they are chosen, but never trust Jesus as their savior and be lost. The only thing Calvinism has that does agree with the bible is that we have eternal security. But Calvinist have eternal security for a whole different reason than what the bible actually says. Many of them are not saved. Both end up as works salvation which no one who believes that will be saved. Matthew 7:21-23

[@jimkraft9445]

We are not to believe the doctrines and traditions of men. Just believe what the bible says. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me HATH EVERLSATING LIFE. It has nothing to do with how we live or what we do, our works, or we would be our own savior. Jesus paid it all, and we paid 0. it is free. No one can save themselves. There is only one way the narrow way, and that is through Christ alone. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know ye have eternal life. I have eternal life now because I have believed the gospel. What if I loose my faith? Second Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, God is faithful, He can not deny Himself. Once we have His Spirit in us, Second Timothy 2:19 we are saved forever. We are sealed unto the day of redemption. I can not loose my salvation no matter what.

[@andrespalacio9530]

You're a little confused, man. Calvinism is not about works vs faith. It's about predestination. Think about it this way: After you and I die, people will continue to be born in this world. We can not know who among all those people is going to be saved or not. But the Lord does. He knows their names, their families, their faces... (He knows the future). Yet, He will allow that people that is not going to be saved to be born anyway. See, they are not born yet. They did not do anything right or wrong yet. However, the Lord knows their fate, which in many cases, is not good. Check Ephesians 1:4. You, and I, and them (those who are not born yet) were predestinated even before the foundation of the world.

[@rlee1185]

I'm no open theist, but I like some Greg Boyd

[@saulmartinez118]

AYO WHERE THE SCRIPTURE AT

[@virginiashroyer2279]

This is another great lesson by brother Boyd. Thank you!

[@truthseeker5698]

Yes, better to meet a bear ribbed of her cubs than a fool in his folly. Applicable to so many calvinists.

[@5ivepoints18]

Right there about 6 minutes in he sums up Calvinism! “You can only choose Him because His grace is already operating in your life, you couldn’t choose Him on your own if His grace wasn’t already there but His grace won’t force you” Amen!!! This begs the question then, how do we get His grace operating in us?? He puts it there!! There is nothing we can do to get it or earn it on our own. God gives us grace & opens our eyes to it, for we already receive grace every day without realizing it. & the realization of His grace COMPELS us to love Him. God doesn’t force us to do anything against our will, our problem is that our will is ALWAYS AGAINST GOD! Romans 3:10,11 clearly tells us that none of us seek for God, no one is righteous, none does good. To say God fights evil yet there is evil means that God is not all-powerful. God has a permissive and effective will. There is evil that God allows (i.e. Job) but He always uses it for good. Maybe we can’t see how but that’s only because His ways are not our ways & His knowledge is FAR beyond our knowledge.

[@tsapp2831]

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[@1989ElLoco]

5IVE POINTS Yes he is saying God makes the first move, but every individual has to cooperate. So no points for Calvanism there.

[@mebsteve47]

If you are saved it is because of Gods choice to save you. It is by His Grace and through Faith we are saved. (not choice) Faith comes alive in us by hearing The Gospel. It’s birthed in us by hearing about His work of salvation. We can reject or suppress the Truth but if we don’t reject it it’s God’s Faithfulness, Love, Grace, Mercy, Work and Son that saves you. It’s not because you chose Him. It’s because He chose to give you The Gospel. It’s because he chose to send someone to you to tell you the gospel. It’s the gospel working in you that births faith and trust. It’s the gospel that transforms you. It’s the gospel that gives you a new spirit and new desires. And through these new this new spirit and desires new choices come alive in you. He gives them to you.

[@joshnestberg5717]

​@@tommysurielfaith is a fruit of the Spirit. A fruit comes from an existing tree. Faith cannot be both the cause and the effect. We are God's, He gave us the gift of faith.

[@renealeman4566]

The description of Calvinism he gives should be rejected by all (even 5-point Calvinists). Thankfully, the kind of hyper-Calvinism he's attacking is not espoused by any 5-Point Calvinist (Sproul, McArthur, White, etc.) since none of them believe in this kind of double predestination (which is what this video is fundamentally about).

[@collinlynch4569]

This guy is amazing. I’m a conservative Lutheran and I about shed a tear. He truly understands the Gospel.

[@michaelkingsbury4305]

This guy sounds like a well-trained Lutheran, a moderate Episcopalian, or good Methodist! The World does not like educated moderate and well meaning people. Narrow is the way between extremisms.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

No, he does not 😢

[@a.d1287]

while calvinism does not tell you these directly,it tells us that -God does not love everybody equally -he doesnt desire everyone to be saved -you do not have any freedom of choice -God plays favourites -most importantly,There is no real present in this world.Because love is not real love when it is forced or demanded.Like if a robot was programmed to say 'i love you' and act lovingly,that is not genuine real love.(Love requires freewill) The Bible tells us that God is compassionate for the lost and desires all to be saved,and that is the God i serve

[@mercibeaucoup2639]

God Bless you.

[@Kiithknight]

...Pretty sure love can be demanded as summed up in the two greatest commandments.

[@eppchoi]

Quick abrupt response to your quick and abrupt arguments: - God shows His love to everyone benevolently Matthew 5:45 (every day essential needs), yet Salvation is received by few (Matthew 7:13-14). In the same way, we are to present the Kingdom of God to all; the great commission in doing so with love, hope & faith (1 Cor 13). Yet, not all will receive (John 3:18). "Was it the Fathers intent to send His Son to die on the cross, to make salvation possible for everybody, but also with the possibility that it would be effective for nobody." You need to wrestle with the tension of this Life Changing POWERFUL love, that 'could' possibly, maybe, someday, change the life of one. In short, a weakening of the atoning work of Jesus on the Cross. PS - I will not, and do not assume who is and who isnt. Who will receive and who will not. I believe fully, that God will draw His sheep to Himself. It is up to the current sheep to share the message of Hope, not witholding it from anyone (Ezekiel 2-3) - God desires all to be saved from Peters correct? This does not refute the doctrines of grace. Please understand who Peter is writing to in the letter. The context of the earlier chapter and what Peters words had meant in the word, 'Any' and what 'Will' was being used. Where there NIV and modern translations have substituted it for the word 'desire'. Ill leave it there. - This is the problem of 'freedom of choice'. You embody what Free Will is as one definition and explanation. When Scripture clearly gives a definition of Free Will, 4 different ways. 3 of them most notibly: Decreetive Will, Preceptive Will, Disposition of Will. The fault of not understanding what Free Will is, is the fault of those who dont understand that there is CHOICE INDEED, in the reform doctrine. A short example: A Lion will always, in its 'nature', pick the meat (sin). It has chosen it. It has choice to run around it. It has choice to run away from it. It has choice to breathe on it, and so forth. But it does not have the Will, and will never have the Will to choose the piece of carrot on the rock beside it. Its not even considered! (Romans 3:10-12,19-20, 23-24) I do hope you read these Scripture references... most dont. Im guilty of this as well... Again.. understanding the difference of the 4 Will's as described in Scripture is helpful. As well as Martin Luthers rebutal to Erasmus on the issue of the Bondage of the Will. You are either under the will of your sin nature, or Gods grace. - God plays favorites. Now we know that isnt true. Read the book of James and refer back to the first point above. We also know that what Paul said in Romans 8:28-30 ... does not contradict favoritism. Ill let you think on that one for a bit. Here is another one to think about.. if God had shown true favoritism, in regards to who He is shown in Genesis 2-3 & Romans 1-2 --- OH BOY, none of us would be saved (1 Cor 5:21) or shown benevolence (Matthew 5:45; every day essential needs).. To assume favoritism would be that all would be saved? Now were bordering universal-ism. But I dont think you lean that way either do you? - Your definition of love is driven by self esteem over who God is. A Holy and Just God. In which those 2 characters of God is the definition of Love. One that believes in love must be an advocate for Hate. Disagree? What is the opposite of Love? No.. it is not Hate. You only know how to love because you hate. And you only know how to hate because you know how to love. Once cannot exist without the other. The opposite of Love is indifference (Not caring). That is the furthest thing from our God. A God that is love MUST, also be just. Romans 12:9 "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." "The LORD detests (abhors/hates) the way of the wicked, but he loves those who pursue righteousness." (Proverbs 15:9). Our God is Love. Do not filter His Love with how culture has taught you what Love is. For that would be watered down and wicked. Lastly, I will finish off with exactly what you said, "The Bible tells us that God is compassionate for the lost and desires all to be saved,and that is the God i serve." Me as well @Anan Dinomaniam

[@papax4815]

That’s not what Jesus prayed to His Father in the Garden before His crucified. He said I do not pray for the world, but only for those you gave me before the foundation of the world. They are yours, and all that are yours are mine. John Chapter 17

[@carnagexf4454]

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- 23 I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me

[@45Nasman]

Isaiah 45:6-7 ‘I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity. I, the Lord, do all these things.

[@davidpierson4407]

The Bible plainly says that there is predestination (election). Ephesians 1:4-6 Romans 8:29 And others... Yet, the Bible also plainly says that we make a choice. Deuteronomy 30:19 2 Peter 3:9 And others... If we say that some have been elected (predestined) for salvation, there is no getting around the fact that this also means that God has chosen to not elect others, thereby predestining them to eternal hell. We don't believe this, do we? So which way is it? Is there free will or predestination? Both are correct. Yes, both free will and predestination are correct. I will explain how that is. Predestination is from God's point of view. The eternal point of view. Free will is from man's point of view. The finite view. God created time for this world (Genesis 1:5). Man is bound within the time and space that God has created for this world. God is completely outside of the time and space He created. When a human makes a choice to believe in Jesus Christ, he gains eternal life. John 5:24 Eternal life means that there is no end to this human's life, and it also means that there was no beginning to this human's life. He has always had this life (Romans 8:29). Therefore, from God's point of view (eternal view), this human always had life. It was just a matter of time before he made the choice (inside the human, finite point of view) to believe in Jesus Christ. God predestined that person for salvation, but the person, bound within the time and space God created, made the choice to believe in Jesus Christ. Both predestination and free will are true. It just depends on which view you are looking from -- God's eternal point of view, or man's finite point of view inside the time/space boundaries God established for man to live in while on earth.

[@busybody1474]

God has foreknowledge, he knows our lives before we even live them and certainly knows whether we will ultimately choose or reject Him.. You said the same thing, just the long way around ❤