Plato's Republic book 10 | Ideas, Things, Imitations, and their Makers | Philosophy Core Concepts

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I genuinly wish you were my actual professor. the way you explain this is so much pattelable than my professor. So Thank you so much for that.

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Thank you professor this video was really helpful,I’ve been struggling with this course

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Glad it was useful for you

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Finally you give us more Plato! I am pleased. I hope you go on to discuss the Gorgias, the sophists, and why debate is a waste of time better spent involved in Socratic Elengkhos.

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[@giovannaliviana505]

Gregory B. Sadler One of my professors suggested that I might go on to work on my PhD at Cornell (where at the time, they had some good Plato scholars), because of my interest in Plato. I chose another, but related, path based on my other undergraduate major, but I often think I should perhaps have taken his advice. These days I use what I studied in graduate school much less than what I learned from my undergraduate major in Philosophy in the '80s.

[@ethanlevine5623]

Thank you, Dr. Sadler. Going over this in class today.

[@GregoryBSadler]

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Thank you so much Prof. I like the way you explain with relevant examples

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[@jamiltahhan5153]

it's so clear. Thanks a lot I have a question: I understand the idea that says we have three chairs, for example, one in the ideal form, the second in the physical world which is imitated by a craftsperson, the third is the artist's chair which is thrice removed from reality and is imitated by the artist. the question is: who made the human being who exists in the material world or let's call it the second level according to Plato? If the answer is God, so mustn't we consider God as an imitator of the ideal form too? just like the craftsperson who imitate the ideal form. Thanks in advance

[@gabrielwatkins7981]

The answer would have to be God. God would be the ideal form and He would the imitated rather than the imitator. What we imitate is part of the bigger picture, for example, the idea of a chair, where we understand the archetype of a chair and we build on that point. A human would be an imitation of God, because we were created in the image of God, and the things we create would be imitations of a ideal being. I hope this is understandable.

[@KenFales]

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[@Akuryoutaisan21]

Thanks professor.

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@javierrodriguez3098]

That materialism is hard to drop 👍

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes, Plato thinks it takes a lot of work to shift towards contemplating forms

[@ivyelizabeth7462]

Everything Plato comes back the forms. He is clearly very proud of his theory haha

[@ivyelizabeth7462]

Thank you for this by the way, really helped me out!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Not everything in Plato comes back to the forms. A good bit does.

[@oly7633]

Thank you so much . Very helpful 😊

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@psithur]

Would Plato then consider the philosopher as a kind of craftperson or a kind of artist? If Philosophy is aimed at Truth and this philosophical Truth can be gleaned in the same way that, say, the the form of a bed can be gleaned and then copied by a craftsperson, then is a philosopher not a craftsperson too?

[@GregoryBSadler]

A craftperson who isn't like other craftspeople, perhaps

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good morning i am from Nepal thank you so much. what is Compare and contrast plato and Aristotle art theory

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[@MrMarktrumble]

so the type (eidos) of the table is that which is ontologically higher (more being, more real) than any of each of the material tokens that participate in it. The numerically one edios of the table ( because it is the single template for all the instances of the token tables) is also one metaphysically ( it is simple, as it is essentially one thing,the form of a table, not changing, and not many).BUt this one edios ( the form of the table) is only one example of an edios. So if one looks at what multiple forms have in common, one comes to the form of the form, which is one both numerically and metaphysically, which all forms as form participate in. Instead of a plentitude of shapes ( a star, moon, octagon...) one can consider the form of the shape in general ( a bounded and closed figure, regardless if the figure is a star or an octogon).ONe cannot draw this from, because it would then limit the representation to only one of the tokens ( If I draw a star then it may seem I am implying that an octagon is not a figure. The shape of all shapes cannot therefore cannot be drawn ( unless represented by a circle...)Circumscribing and defining what each of the eternal forms have in common, the one would be a form higher, more stable and enduring than any of each of the multiple eternal forms. It would be the ultimate being and truth. If I conceive this immaterial idea, then as there is neither a way to distinguish the one from itslef by place or time, it is the one one that one is conceiving,and when the one rests in oneself, oneself rests in the one, as the unity one conceives is the one unity where one is unified. I think this is some form of Platonic mysticism.

[@GregoryBSadler]

There is no form of forms for Plato. Other than the form of the good or the beautiful, that's as high as the ontology goes

[@petarjovovic308]

Gregory B. Sadler But shouldnt God be the highest on the ontological ladder or are ideas ontologically independent? (btw keep up the great work professor, you are really doing an incredible job)

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[@loudsilence2061]

nice explanation

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[@seaofliterature6158]

Art is twice or thrice removed from reality?

[@GregoryBSadler]

For Plato, yes

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[@uniphcommunity.thewhitetower]

The 3 types of "producers" in their divine, material, and imitative forms as well as their implications in real life...the more we approach God, the closer we get to the source of the truth itself! How true a video you are presenting!!!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes and I suppose part of that would be realizing that we ourselves are made things

[@wasumyon6147]

Love your content but you really don't need a disclaimer that takes a tenth of your video on every video in this series haha.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yeah, it's not a disclaimer. I suspect you can figure out how to skip ahead. Glad you enjoy the videos

[@wasumyon6147]

Introduction*. Yes, but it breaks the flow of your playlists. I suspect your content is mostly binged while doing some other task.

[@GregoryBSadler]

I've had one other person complain about the intros the entire time I've had them. I'm sure most viewers are all right with them

[@gelorosales3260]

Imitating or creating? .. it's our nature to light the candles when darkness is coming. The word nature is connected to reality am i right or plato is wrong? Hahaha

[@RobertF-]

Well we know now that Plato was probably a lousy artist and couldn't even draw a straight line so he had a grudge against artists, haha. But all joking aside, where do playwrights fit into this? Did he consider story writers to be poets?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Drama was poetry back then.

[@RobertF-]

Ok, thanks.

[@martinnousis1737]

the self is of the divine, the good- human inventions are products of the mind, they do not reflect anything beyond. creativity is good,experimentation, has no bearing on the quest to attain the true self.just my opinion.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yep, just your opinon