Macbeth Is a Victim of Fate

Again, Happy Thanksgiving. Well, some of you asked for him, now you've got him. Macbeth was my most requested Villain Tribute since before the Big Crash. It took me a while to figure out an approach. Well, here he is. Afterall, what Scottish King is more immortal than Macbeth? More mortal too, for that matter.
Also, after the complete suckiness of the guy in my last tribute, I think we all deserved an antidote.

[@Cassimfan]

"I'm just so TIRED." You FEEL that. In that one word you hear and feel everything Macbeth has gone through over the past 900 years, and honestly it makes it almost sad that he is constantly being stopped by our heroes. Yes they urge him to live, to find meaning in life again, but the man has been at this for NINE HUNDRED YEARS. You almost want to say, "Just let him do it" after hearing that delivery. You really feel bad for him.

[@zemox2534]

I know suicide is not the answer but at the same time you want him to be at peace and be reunited with his family in the after life.

[@texasgent4694]

@@zemox2534 Exactly, even though Macbeth is physically alive, everyone and everything that matters to Him is long gone, His Kingdom, His Wife Grouach as well as His Son Luach, for all intents and purposes Macbeth has been dead inside every since the night He was "killed" by Canmore and persuaded by Grouach to go into exile

[@strider8507]

@@zemox2534 He is cursed with immortality, as long as Demona lives both of them will continue to live its a never ending cycle. The only way to end this is for one of them to destroy another.

[@Crasher1982]

John Rys-davies played the absolute HECK out of this role. He makes you feel Macbeth's pain and suffering. You learn he's not actually a villain who is after Goliath (despite the look of his first appearance in the series) but a broken man full of pain. He gets a little hope from Goliath when once again, he lost someone he thought he could find love again with "At least now you KNOW, you're capable of love. Search for that love, because she's out there." Macbeth manages a weak smile. I own the gargoyles tv series. Absolutely phenomenal. All the actors in this were phenomenal.

[@CoralCopperHead]

@@zemox2534 It's a permanent answer. People call it a "permanent solution to a temporary problem" without considering that the "temporary problem" is fully capable (and very likely) to persist for _longer than our lifespan._ I'm close to checking out myself, and it's because of war. I've never seen it firsthand myself (gods above, thank you) but the fact that we haven't been able to stop for tens -- maybe even hundreds -- of thousands of years? I don't want to call myself a human anymore. I just hope I don't end up being dealt a hand as bad a MacBeth's or Demona's.

[@katethegreat91]

“I’m just so tired...” I just love how John Rhys Davies delivered that line.

[@vguyver2]

That line really stuck with me as a kid. It's been over 20 years it still echoes in my thoughts. He's immortal and depressed about his long existence. He hasn't found happiness again since he first "died".

[@malahamavet]

Can you tell me which accent is he speaking? English is not my first language, so my accent is weird, lots of r rolling haha. I would like to learn his accent but I don't know which one is

[@vguyver2]

@@malahamavet He is speaking with a light scottish accent. It's one of the various accents spoken in the UK though the actor is actually Welsh. Davies speaks normally with his native Welsh accent and is a really good veteran stage actor.

[@Daniel_i-s5b]

@@vguyver2 i thought he was speaking welsh

[@vguyver2]

Don't know why, but he's consistently cast in Scottish roles. As far back as Shogun Miniseries and once as an Arab in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[@eugeneturner7520]

"I blame you, you blame me, aren't you tired of talking about it?" Demona, on some level, seems like she is aware that her entire vendetta and betrayal by Macbeth was nothing more then a massive misunderstanding, but seems to just not care.

[@Yoxiv]

That's exactly it. Demona has come close to realizing her own fault in many of the mistakes she's made over the centuries, but always finds some way to pass the blame and avoid confronting her own self destructive tendencies.

[@cunningsmile4166]

She'll have a breakdown some time in the 22nd century

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

You gotta respect the folks behind Gargoyles, they managed to take someone like MacBeth and turn him into a truly tragic character.

[@feraflauna3238]

+Ian Greene-He was always a tragic figure with Shakespeare. However, this show fleshes him out even better. In Shakespeare's play, MacBeth is consumed by his insatiable lust for power where Duncan has to bring him down in order to even save England (Scotland and Britain) from the wreckage and the flames MacBeth unleashed on it. Here, he's a genuinely good person that all throughout his life, he wanted to be a hero for everyone and help everyone in need. He had a huge amount of compassion and a huge heart, even to those like Duncan who didn't deserve that mercy. He was just repeatedly screwed over by people he considered close to him. And then Demona, his closest ally and arguably friend screwed him over so bad, he wasn't even able to see his wife and his son for the rest of their lives. (And MacBeth probably had to watch helplessly while his son assumed the throne and died not soon after where England was thrown into complete chaos.) He is eternally bound to the same woman who took away everyone and everything from him (that deal was arranged by the Weird Sisters who only wished to use him and Demona for their own ends), where he is forced to still share her pain, and he is unable to die and be released from his torment where he can finally see his wife and son again in the afterlife. This MacBeth is far more MacBeth than even Shakespeare's MacBeth.

[@texasgent4694]

@@feraflauna3238 You know when you mentioned Macbeth's Son Luach, I think that was the most depressing part of all, is that Grouach convinced Macbeth that His going into exile and having the people believe that He was dead was the best way to ensure that Luach would prevail against Canmore, then only a mere 7 Months later, Luach and Grouach's Father Bodhe die in battle against Canmore and Grouach subsequently commits suicide, and as you said Macbeth has to live with the fact that He COULD'VE done something but because He'd already been declared dead chose not interfere, you're also right about Macbeth repeatedly being screwed over by those closest to Him, His Cousin Prince/King Duncan who did everything He could to prevent Him from becoming King, which ultimately caused it to happen, Demona who sentenced Clan Moray to it's doom due to Her own paranoia, and Bodhe, albeit more unwittingly on His end than Duncan and Demona

[@wellesradio]

So they took a tragic figure and turned him into a tragic figure? Wtf even is this comment?

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

​@@wellesradio Made him more tragic.

[@blackdogbones9900]

I planned for you to govern by my side. And now because of you my kingdom is in flames. That is really good writing for a kids cartoon. I miss the 90's.

[@Solqueen86]

Just like any marriage

[@LordZontar]

The "City Of Stone" trilogy episode was some of the finest writing in the whole series, blending together the elements of Shakespeare with the true history of the actual Macbeth, and combined with the admixture of Celtic and Norse mythology to weave together a rich story. It was also the best Macbeth episode in the series, naturally.

[@barone8889]

Its a shame how low cartoon entertainment has fallen. The cartoons of today are nothing in comparison to those of the past.

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

​@barone8889 In art style too .

[@Montesama314]

"Ever read it?" "No." "Maybe we should." And with that, a new generation of kids want to know what this whole Macbeth play thing is all about.

[@PrincessToyNerd]

I was one of those kids.

[@Predahronus]

Still waiting for Prospero and Ariel to appear.

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

As do I.

[@edwardgaines6561]

We 90s kids were *REALLY SPOILED* with this show. Never saw a cartoon of this depth or maturity since then, besides BTAS! ☺

[@jordancunningham4962]

Well, this was their successful attempt to match it...

[@Mechaghostman2]

Welllllllll... there's Avatar and Korra.

[@Trollamollex]

I forgot all about this show and always thought that it might be cheese as fk. I'm just here watching small clips now and I'm like tha fk this shit isn't just gold it's platinum.

[@tree_alone]

i mean, Mummy's Alive also existed. It wasn't all good back then lol.

[@Trollamollex]

@@tree_alone I never knew this existed and just looked it up. Looks like it came around the same time that yu-gi-oh did and that's just crazy lol.

[@Dragonfire-ko8fs]

A man who doesn’t fear death has nothing to lose. A basic definition of Macbeth in gargoyles.

[@alexjewett7455]

It might be more accurate to say "a man whose already lost everything has no reason to fear death."

[@PietroMaira80sAreAwesome]

Gargoyles had some amazing writers!

[@hindsightpov4218]

Pietro Maira The writing is so good it’ll never get dated. When it came out in the mid 1990s, it was way ahead of its time. Not too many series these days have come close to the rich characterization, sophistication and epicness of Gargoyles.

[@PietroMaira80sAreAwesome]

So very True HindsightPOV, couldn't agree with you more! most of the cartoons that came up to that time and evern after were just basically 1 quick 20 min episode, they never followed each other, or head any ongoing story line.. Gargoyles was a long story going on the whole series which was just amazing.

[@matthewsmith3078]

Had a great showrunner, Greg Weisman

[@sweetcinnamonpnchkin]

The first two seasons. The third one was horrid

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

Man Disney is just sitting on this, this is their Game of Thrones damn it.

[@GlennHoward-GeekLiberty]

It would be so simple as well, give the animation a touch up and continue with a new season based on The Gargoyles Saga.

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

Game of Thrones with freaking King Arthur and McBeth for crying out loud and they didn’t do very much with it

[@_Muzolf]

Would you prefer them giving it the Star Wars treatment? This show is great as it is, no need for some shitty, identity politics infested remake.

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

Z Zs very true, that’s why you need someone with love for the show to take it up not a business man

[@blackgriffinxx]

@@_Muzolf they had comics and a lot of plot lines to finish.

[@ManMonkey600]

I love how the characters evolve in this show. Macbeth starts out as seemingly a bad dude but as they tell more of his story you see he was an honorable man. A true sympathetic character you start to root for and hope he finds some semblance of either peace of happiness with his existence. It's to bad Demona believed that Macbeth would betray her. But she to had a reason for distrust after she though the Captain of the Guard would protect her clan. She still made her own fate and has been trying to get her "revenge" for centuries. Truly sad that even after being reunited with Goliath in the beginning of the show she decides her way is the right way. But even she can show a caring heart when Thailog is going to kill her daughter. Such an amazing show. They really showed it care and gave the audience a great product.

[@feraflauna3238]

+ManMonkey600-When you get to the two parter over how he met Demona, MacBeth was/is a good man that has repeatedly gotten royally screwed over. He has tried so hard to be a genuinely kind, considerate person. He had a heart of true gold, only for the individuals he knew to repeatedly betray him in the worse ways. Duncan and then Demona. Because of Demona, MacBeth lost everything. He lost his life, even as an immortal, he was stripped of everything but his name after her betrayal. He lost his wife and son, even before they died a natural death where he knew he was going to outlive them, he was forced to leave them so his son could take the throne without the fear and suspicion over how MacBeth was still alive. So MacBeth never got to see his own wife and child ever again. He probably never knew how either of them died. (Or if his son met the same tragic end as history, knowing he could do nothing to prevent that and watch his own country go down in flames.) He was never able to hold them again, even when they were dying. He never got to say goodbye. He was forced to live, forever, cursed to watch all the people that ever mattered to him die around him while he lived on. So it's wonder it broke him down pretty bad. Even then, I'd argue he never truly was a bad guy. I consider him more of a "good guy playing for the wrong side." What he wants just doesn't align with the gargoyles. He doesn't truly hate THEM and usually has no qualm with them, they just get in his way. Naturally, he doesn't have a lot of fondness for gargoyles and doesn't entirely trust them but he doesn't truly hate them either. He is a man with a big heart who has a lot of honor and dignity. At least with The Journey (which is still semi-canon, the comics are considered canon, catch the comics for the better version of The Journey anyway), it's heartwarming to see MacBeth far more happy. Willing to live a normal life again instead of just wanting to die and willing to come to the gargoyles' aid.

[@jordancunningham4962]

Tea with Arthur was a great scene. It was clear both were/are great men who have seen too many years.

[@jaysefgames1155]

@@Ash_Rein oh my

[@tappingninja]

@@Ash_Rein you spend most of your time alone and have very few TRUE friends

[@Crasher1982]

Truly understandable how Demona jumped to conclusions, given her history with that captain of the guard. If Macbeth knew her history it was super careless of him to say what he said. If he didn't know, it's tragic and a terrible misunderstanding.

[@wulfgar6749]

A big thanks to John Rhys-Davies for voicing Macbeth, he brought this character to life!

[@ericastrum5926]

I got John's autograph on a Production model layout spread of MacBeth and a cel from the Sanctuary episode

[@theojenner1902]

I would kill for an audio book with him reading the boy who would be king or any Arthur legends or any myths and legends in fact

[@lightheart5]

Same goes for Thor

[@finding.a.new0]

A time when "childern" shows taught us the very dark parts of life.

[@Thescott16]

A time when children's shows helped us to *grow,* instead of keeping us naive and pliable.

[@morgezorge6387]

You can't have that show today, because euopean myths have to many white people in it.

[@DD8842]

Yep there like taught us and made us want to understand.

[@Thescott16]

@ I wasn't referring to just this one show in my comment, but rather that era of cartoons and childrens programs. We grew up on shows like Gargoyles, Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Kim Possible, Pinky and the Brain, and more that told stories with morals intended to teach kids about life and the world and how to grow into it. Today's programs teach kids to be enttitled and adversarial, judgemental and bigoted, with opinionated messages framed by comfortable moral standing to disguse what's actually there. Moreover, they don't teach kids to think for themselves and decide for themselves what they will build in the world, but rather they teach kids to expect to be told what to build by someone else.

[@barone8889]

Indeed. I feel sorry for the young ones of today...the entertainment that is provided to them is meant to make them mindless consumers. Not to teach them valuable lessons. Lessons that shows like Gargoyles used to teach.

[@Nepthu]

I loved how the Weird Sisters looked different to each character. It was a cool touch and excellent writing.

[@cryosapien4607]

Yeah magical beings let you get real creative in their narratives

[@mariaperez-cuatzilo7864]

To Demona she sees the weird sisters as gargoyles and Macbeth saw them as three witches my

[@OMartinez91]

I wish the Disney CEOs could see the golden egg-laying goose they have collecting dust in their vault. A brilliantly made show that deals with the human nature while exploring a mythos that is not often portrayed like the Greek or Nordic mythos

[@pinkiepiecupcake7779]

Fun fact: John Rhys Davies who voiced Macbeth also voiced Cassim, Aladdin’s father from Aladdin and the King of Thieves

[@Drakus_VII]

"Revenge is a dish best eaten cold" in a show that has so many Star Trek actors as voice actors this is a nice shoutout 😁

[@franketwas6917]

The voice acting on this show was exceptional.

[@rodimusrider8798]

MacBeth should have gotten his own spin off series

[@Tbear0581]

That is the most interesting thing about this show...The potential spin-offs. from MacBeth to the world tour there were so many possibilities for a spin off

[@adampatterson7248]

I'd watch it😃

[@hjalmarwallen443]

There were lots of plans for spin offs actually. From Gargoyles: Dark Ages to Gargoyles: 2198 and a ton of other stuff. It´s a shame it never came to be.

[@LemonRush7777]

@@hjalmarwallen443 Damn... how sad.

[@eamonndeane587]

@@hjalmarwallen443 Don't forget the Cancelled Crossover between Gargoyles and Atlantis: The Lost Empires.

[@civilwarfare101]

It's hard to choose the best antagonist in the show.

[@gabriel10169]

That is the very reason for the show's cult following. The heroes are only as good as their villains.

[@edwardgaines6561]

That is the mark of a very good show.

[@spencerbowden2979]

Imagine in this universe Shakespeare just happened to hear Macbeth depressed and drunk telling his life story and decided to make it into a play.

[@ztslovebird]

Can you imagine the night MacBeth realized Demona was in NYC and her clan was alive? "Ah, just another night of watching the Brooklyn Bridge while enjoying a good cup of - ow, OW! God dammit, who's that flying lizard pissed off this time?"

[@mystictame69]

+ztslovebird That is an awesome thing right here. I am coping and pasting it and putting on my tumblr as a quote from what your name is on here. Much awesome rest here

[@feraflauna3238]

+ztslovebird-MacBeth's entire reason for moving to NYC had to have been because he had suspected that Demona had taken up residence there somewhere, he just wasn't sure where, hence why he lured the Manhattan clan into a trap, he had hoped that by trapping them, he would lure Demona out of her hiding place, but as Goliath was quick to point out to them, they stood against Demona as well, so she wouldn't care whether they lived or died, especially by MacBeth's hand, and I think MacBeth, knowing they were innocent at the time, was regretful that he did get them involved, but some of that old hatred towards Demona rubbed off against the rest of her kind and since the Manhattan clan were in his way, he would get them out of his way however he could.

[@Wolf10media]

They feel each other's pain when they are in close proximity of each other. Further away they are just fine.

[@yiraidaborges5947]

I assume Xanatos buying and bringing a whole castle full of Gargoyles to Manhatan wouldn't really go unnoticed. He did contact Xanatos first.

[@Compucles]

@@feraflauna3238 No, he never held a grudge against the Manhattan Clan. After that initial conflict, he only fought against them while under the Weird Sisters' control or when they stood in the way of something he wanted.

[@jasonlee6663]

This is one of those rare cartoons where it gets better with (viewer) age. I wish they can just make it HD, and still keep the same story line, and voice actors.

[@PrincessToyNerd]

What “Gargoyles” need is a makeover and an upgrade and then it can be put on Disney+.

[@milessmiles9289]

Hated the fact that we never saw Macbeth on Season 3. Except on that interview or whatever he was doing. Such a waste of a great character. Needed more of him!

[@GregXB3]

Good thing season three doesn't count. He did show up again in the Greg Weisman written Gargoyles comics that are the true season three.

[@aarontopa9458]

Was it Goliath or Macbeth laughing? because it looked like Goliath was laughing but it sounded like Macbeth

[@clinder27]

@@aarontopa9458 Goliath

[@gameking8809]

@@aarontopa9458 So you say a comic is the continuation but the actual newer episodes not? That makes no sense (even if that might be true)

[@feraflauna3238]

@@gameking8809 The situation is a little sticky. Disney always planned for a season three and it's obvious with the way season two ended that there were some very, very big plans Weisman intended for the story. However, sometime before season three, Disney fired and removed all the writers involved with the show. Fired the original animation team that did the show and replaced them with an animation studio that was probably willing to do it for far cheaper. (And it shows. While the style is not complete trash, it's a severe downgrade in season three. Much less detail and atmosphere.) Weisman got screwed over pretty royally as well. He had planned to stay on as showrunner but he was running ragged working on the show with little compensation or benefits for being run ragged. He asked Disney simply if he could have more time, freedom, compensation, and a chance to breathe. Disney said no and then turned around and gave the new showrunner the same benefits Weisman had asked for. Weisman stayed on as a "consultant" for the final season but his involvement was very minimal. He admitted most of his time was spent trying not to slap his head against the wall with what the writers were doing to his story and characters (a lot of his original ideas did make that season but were so badly handled, it's pretty embarrassing) and telling the new writers not to badly handle the characters. Weisman has said he only considers The Journey-the version on the show to be somewhat canon, but the version in the comics is much better. Basically, the comics is season three the way Weisman would've done it had he been able to. And from what I can tell, it is much, much better than what we got. It's really what we should have got in the first place. If you have the money and the means to track down the comics, I recommend you do so.

[@Wizgoht]

I always remember that line, “I’m just so tired.”

[@clarkb2697]

I swear we lived in a renaissance of voice actors

[@Montesama314]

Demona mocks the cycle of revenge but only on Macbeth's end. If only she had a little more introspection and honesty...

[@unpronouncable2442]

"next time get a good look at her at night"

[@justygilberts4336]

That can be taken out of Context.

[@smugreptile6695]

@@justygilberts4336 With the writing of the show as a whole, they knew exactly what they were doing.

[@MoltenUprisingMK]

Macbeth, I think, is the kind of guy who will just sit in a cozy chair beside the fireplace and talk to you, and you can talk to him, about anything at all, without fear of him misjudging or antagonizing you. He will listen to you, and you can just tell him anything, and he will give you his trust and respect.

[@ethrsag735]

If given the choice I'd love to have a chat with the man by the fireplace seated in comfortable leather chairs and drinking tea and wine, enjoying a simple yet deep discourse of life and what it means to live.

[@PietroMaira80sAreAwesome]

voice actors and Writers.. Amazing Series ! ahead of its time!

[@deeRay7292]

10:44 "Duncan was afraid that your father would make you king. Did your father's death stop you from becoming king?" "NO" "you wanted revenge for your father . Did Gillecomgan's death settle that score?" "No" "did your own death save your son Lulach from Canmore?" "no"

[@alexanderwaters2925]

11:06 "Death is never the answer. Life is."

[@SasukeUchiha-ix2yk]

This show turned out interesting character after interesting character. Gargoyles is fan-fucking-tastic.

[@kaiyinmarcel]

"I have been a King too long to serve any man." -MacBeth Hearing this at 8, really does destroy limits in adulthood.

[@nilesstark]

Demona and Macbeth not only started an eternal rivalry but they pretty much started the mantle of the Hunter.

[@andrewames247]

I remember watching "Grief", the episode where the Emir summons Anubis to demand he resurrect his son, on the night my father died as a form of catharsis. That one line has stuck with me for years. "What is dead and gone cannot be restored, but the stolen energies can be re-channeled." I WISH entertainment of this quality could be created again...

[@barone8889]

Same here.

[@SmokeyMcb]

"I'm just so tired." Quoted by Macbeth in Disney's Gargoyles

[@guardian08527]

Then later on it turns out that Macbeth's misery and Demona's misguided vengeance was all orchestrated by an old foe who everyone thought dead centuries ago. "Did your own death save your son Lulach from Canmore?" As a kid watching this for the first time I never really got that but years later I realize that Canmore killed Lulach at some point and took the crown. Makes sense because the Weird Sisters said that both Duncan and Macbeth would have turns being king and so would their sons. There is a Gargoyle Wikia (take it with a grain of salt) that after Macbeth "died" Lulach only reigned as king for a few months just like his real life counterpart and was killed in battle along with Bodhe. The saddest part is that Gruoch was completely lost in grief and committed suicide by poison after losing her entire family. That's the story according to the wikia page anyway.

[@feraflauna3238]

+guardian08527-Even back then, Disney would never have allowed a suicide on one of their shows. But given how dark Gargoyles is, I believe it. It would flesh out better why MacBeth is so angry about losing his wife and son. Not only was he not allowed to see them as long as they lived, but he was unable to do anything while his son and wife suffered tremendously. Luach was unable to save England and be the king that could've united and healed the country from the wreckage. It's easy to assume that Canmore orchestrated the fight that killed Luach. Gruoch would have no claim to the throne with her husband and son both gone so she would have to watch helplessly as Canmore took everything from her and her family. (I'm not sure how the Canmore family lost the crown though if Canmore did in fact take it. I wish the show could've delved into that.) Beyond pain and agony, she would take her own life to end her suffering. Because at that point, her life was the only thing she had any control over. And at some point, MacBeth would have to find out after the fact what happened to his own wife and child. That he couldn't be there for them, and he "watched" them be taken away from him. It's a pity MacBeth never seemed to have met the Canmore descendants, particularly Jon, and I wonder how he would feel if he met them.

[@Godzilla00X]

After City of Stone it was so hard for me to take Mcbeth seriously as a villain. Such a well written character and history. He reminds me a bit of Ned Stark

[@Crasher1982]

That's the point. He actually never is a true villain.

[@texasgent4694]

​@@Crasher1982Yeah personally I've always seen Macbeth as an Anti-Hero, He's had several chances to kill Goliath and the rest of the Castle Wyvern Clan, yet He repeatedly spares them

[@Crasher1982]

@@texasgent4694 Yes. It's not them he was looking for.

[@Crasher1982]

@@texasgent4694 as the title of this video says, he's more a victim, not a true villain.

[@PenDragon-hg1lg]

A thing I think about often with this version of Macbeth that while that used aspects of the play, this is still a more historical version of Macbeth, and frankly, I really love the idea of him reading the play written about him

[@DarkWarrior076]

As a Shakespearean fan the backstory bugs me, however, the fact that Macbeth becomes immortal and lives in modern day NYC as a punisher/deathstroke antivillain and meets King Arthur is kickass!

[@GregXB3]

The backstory was actually inspired by that of the historical Macbeth.

[@edwardgaines6561]

This Macbeth is even cooler than Highlander! If Disney is looking for their next blockbuster movie, this is it!

[@drewyetti]

"Just make sure that next time, you get a good look at her at night" Can't believe that got past the censors! Goliath i'm shocked! 😂😂😂

[@sweetcinnamonpnchkin]

And MacBeth’s grin was icing on the cake.

[@LordZontar]

The series had already slipped one past the censors in the scene from another episode when Human Demona and Elisa were fighting in Central Park, with Coldstone clearly leering at the two women as he quips "Well, this is diverting" with a really sleazy manner in his voice. That had to be a truly fun moment for Michael Dorn in the recording studio.

[@Compucles]

@@LordZontar It's partially the facts that Gargoyles was a syndicated show with censors who understood proper context. How else did a mid-90s cartoon get away with one hero accidentally shooting another hero?

[@briannapauls3420]

Ha! That didn't even occur to me until now. It's all about interpretation

[@segaman9265]

"revenge is a dish best eaten cold Demona, and I have waited 900 years for this meal" still to this day that line is badass

[@Wolf10media]

Wise king considers all available options. A wiser king would still listen to his son. Even as he spoke truth.

[@GregXB3]

He did listen. He wasn't going to betray them. He just picked a bad moment to teach his son a lesson about being a king.

[@Wolf10media]

GregXB3 my gargoyles history is scewed, thank you. Indeed he is still one of my favorite lawful neutral heroes. Or is he lawful good?

[@edwardgaines6561]

They didn't have soundproof rooms back in those days, did they?

[@thewick-j1837]

Should we betray our super body guards, maybe we should consider it, they can fly and have great hearing it'll be fine

[@bicarbonat1]

That scene was basically Cathy and Heathcliff (Wuthering Heights) all over again.

[@paolotorres8537]

At least this Macbeth is better than his Shakespeare version

[@LordZontar]

Shakespeare's Macbeth was Stuart propaganda. The Macbeth of this series is based upon the historical Macbeth, who by all accounts was a good king and very capable warlord.

[@pendraco2000]

yep, the entire reason the Shakespeare play demonized the poor guy was due to Queen Victoria being a descendant of Duncan's. if Shakespeare'd been true to history, he would likely have been beheaded for it.

[@LordZontar]

William Shakespeare wrote during the reigns of both Queen Elizabeth I and James I. The Stuarts were said to be descendent from Banquo, who's line is prophesied by the witches to eventually rule Scotland (and by extension England). Hence, that play was Stuart propaganda. Likewise, when Shakespeare wrote Richard III and made that king into an unmitigated villain and cowardly murderer who's death at Bosworth Field at the hands of the future King Henry was the satisfying climax, he was writing Tudor propaganda to flatter Elizabeth. If that demonstrates anything, it's that no one could ever accuse William Shakespeare of being doctrinaire.

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@LordZontar Tudor? I thought that was a made up name in _Berserk!_ Derp!

[@justmichael651]

It's kind of ironic that Brooklyn and Lexington should mention the play Macbeth. You see, when I went to the Historical Villain Upgrade page on TV Tropes; I found this: William Shakespeare was a major purveyor of this trope out of necessity, writing histories to support the royal family's prejudices (not that he might not have agreed with them-but who knows?). "The Real Life Macbeth was one of Scotland's better early kings, and was especially known for his charity toward the poor. He defeated Duncan, a young tyrant invader, in a fair fight in battle, reigning successfully for 17 years before being defeated and killed in battle himself; he was succeeded first by his stepson, then by Malcolm III, the thane who had defeated him. Shakespeare's Macbeth is nothing like the original, partly because his source got a lot of things wrong, but also because Shakespeare was writing the play to appeal to King James I, who was descended from Duncan; portraying an ancestor of King James as weak, ineffective, and/or tyrannical (even if he really was) may have been tantamount to treason, and portraying his ancestor's enemy as a monster would certainly earn James' favor. The play echoes James's belief that kings were chosen by God and that God's will, no matter how thwarted in the short term by tyrants, could not fail in the end. Lady Macbeth's characterization is pure fabrication, as almost nothing is known about her beyond her name, Gruoch (?!)." So in a way, Gargoyles's portrayal of Macbeth is actually more accurate than that of the play.

[@KB_13247]

goliath's speech to macbeth after demona tears his heart in half was sooooo good. honestly some of the best writing there is. to turn something so heart wrenching and devastating into a glimmer of hope for his enemy. man this show was good.

[@NicholasGeschke]

Macbeth is not so much a villain as he is an Anti-Villain. All he really wants is to slay Demona, (in so doing, get his revenge) and die. According to the Weird Sister's spell, only one of them can truly kill the other. Aside from his formidable skills in swordsmanship and hand to hand combat, he is a powerful sorcerer and cunning strategist. Then of course, he has little to fear against anyone because of his immortality. Absolutely no one, or anything, except Demona can slay him and end his eternal life.

[@germanwolf8839]

+NicholasGeschke yeah you're exactly right...Macbeth wasn't on the same level of pure evil as Xanatos or Demona, like the title says a victim of fate. learning about his backstory we find he's a tragic character and the link to demona in how she became the way she is, Macbeth was a courageous man, who wanted to rule with justice and compassion, demona and her clan at his side, it started out that way but misunderstandings ruined the life's they had. that again adds to why this series was great to watch as a kid and now I get a deeper understanding of it that makes it even better

[@NicholasGeschke]

I would hardly say Xanatos was pure evil. He's not a psychopath. He's just selfish. Not a villain but not a hero either. Not insane but not sane either.

[@germanwolf8839]

yeah looking back, I felt pure evil was harsh for both- you're right Xanatos was selfish, wanted what he wanted and when out and took it even if at the expense of others but even someone like xanatos had his limit, when Fox or his son were in danger, he protected them as a husband/father should. demona you could define with some psychopathic traits but really she only wanted what was best for her kind, however the wrongs and decisions she made led to the demise of her clan and her alliance with Macbeth...therefore being her worst enemy. yeah whatever that middle ground is-anti-hero/anti-villain, should've chosen my words better.

[@feraflauna3238]

+NicholasGeschke-MacBeth is certainly not a villain in any way, he's just a "good guy playing for the wrong side" and has suffered through a lot of the same tragedy not much unlike his Shakespearean counterpart: his father was murdered by his own cousin for the throne, a cousin he stood by and defended until the end when Duncan revealed his true identity and suffered through Duncan's evil for years, always wanting to do the right thing and be a good person. His kindness towards Duncan and Canmore was not reciprocated and both Duncan and Canmore unraveled all the good he sought to do, and his closest second in command, ally, and good, close friend betrayed him and caused many close to him to die, his life shattered where he was unable to see his wife or his son for the rest of his life. MacBeth is a man that has lived for hundreds of years, living biologically, but not actually living, all the people he ever knew and loved were gone while he still survived, and if he ever dared get close with anyone else again in those hundreds of years, he only had to see them pass on while he couldn't. He lived a lonely, empty life, stripped of everything, the sole purpose driving his existence to get even with Demona, the one who betrayed him and stripped him of everything, his sole drive to finally kill her once and for all so he could end his own life, be at peace, and finally move on to see his loved ones again in the afterlife. MacBeth was willing to do almost everything and anything to bring Demona down, except he took pride in remaining a good person with decency so he had a code of honor and ethics he refused to ever break, he especially didn't want to become like Duncan or Demona. It's just that his own goals and motivations often conflicted with the gargoyles and the people that defended them, his hatred of Demona rubbing off in some way to her entire kind and because his motivations conflicted with the gargoyles, they weren't always on the best of terms, to put it lightly until Goliath, Angela, and Elisa saved him from Demona and Thailog and Goliath encouraged him that he still had enough life to live and he should exist again, be happy.

[@Tbear0581]

He's not a villain at all. Like you said he only wanted to kill Demona so he can die. the only thing he really did was kidnap the gargoyles, and steal the scrolls of Merlin. He is Honorable and has lines he would not cross like Xanatos

[@TeranIcer]

The voicing of this series is one of my favorite aspects.

[@RickZard1]

The voicing was and still is , top fuckin notch

[@edwardgaines6561]

Were the voice actors really Scottish, or was it just tacked-on and affected?

[@unknownstranger6875]

@@edwardgaines6561 John Rhys-Davies, who voiced Macbeth is not Scottish, he is Welsh. I don't know about the rest.

[@OneHandedClapper]

And the music

[@lazyel]

"I say thee nay weird sisters" ...love that line.

[@joemcguire9988]

“Your love is out there, Macbeth, look for her. Just make sure, heh, that you get a good look at her at night” “Wow, too soon, actually, as it turns out. I mean, your point’s well taken, but I’m actually not super ready to make jokes about the woman I loved secretly being my evil eternal murder wife who I’ve hated for centuries. It’s still kind of raw, you know?”

[@Groundrunner100]

Can anyone imagine Gimli talking about King Arthur in The Fellowship of The Ring while The Dwarrowdelf theme was playing? That’d be friggin’ awesome.

[@Beeyo176]

I forgot how brutal Duncan's death was. Holy shit

[@texasgent4694]

Yeah Duncan's death has always been burned into my brain, pun intended Lol

[@Beeyo176]

@texasgent4694 And then three years later, I am once again reminded. Dude got dealt with like a Blasphemous NPC, Jesus

[@odin1185]

This show was entertaining as a kid then when you watch it again as an adult it blows you away how deep and fantastic the story and voice acting really is. Truly one of the best series of all time.

[@hgonz14]

Macbeth is one of the best characters ever in an animated show. Glad this is on Disney plus.

[@greygremlin1248]

Macbeth maybe a victim of fate. But demona will always be a victim of her own poor choice. It's like saying you had a bad day to and drove you crazy bit you won't sit it

[@ethrsag735]

A victim of paranoia who lives with the consequences of a choice made from good intentions.

[@Sweet_Venom0027]

Am I the only one who suspects that if the betrayal hadn't happened and Macbeth's reign had remained then he and Demona might have become more than allies after his wife passed? After all they were friends, are both immortal and at the time they headed two strong warrior clans.

[@Asher_Tye]

This poor show. Disney just never fully understood what they had on their hands with this.

[@barone8889]

Disney is doing the same with Star Wars. They have no idea of the treasure they have in their hands.

[@Asher_Tye]

@@barone8889 it's such a shame because when they do know what they're doing, they're fantastic. With Star Wars they were basically given a free empire (no pun intended).

[@barone8889]

@@Asher_Tye Agreed. Instead of getting epicness like the Darth Bane story or the Mandalorian Wars about Revan or the wolrd of Star Wars the Old Republic...we get crap like the Mandalorian. And more crap is on the way. What a shame. Xanatos would be disgusted with how terrible businessmen the people at Disney and Lucasfilm are.

[@Guyverman01]

Disney did a good job at not making this merely a Batman TAS imitation.

[@barone8889]

An epic antagonist! Not a villain. I love antagonists with honor and Macbeth fits that perfectly! I hope he managed to find true love and to take back his mortality (perhaps once Arthur found Merlin...he had him break the immortality spell that was cast on Macbeth). He was an epic character! All the characters in Gargoyles were epic!

[@america6545]

Wow, that was a brutal death at 4:56

[@Savagewolver]

It’s Shakespeare. What did you expect?

[@Nathan-ti9pm]

Yeah brutally awesome!

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

ÍF A T A L I T YÌ Macbeth Wins

[@rasanjamesEL2498]

Damn you Disney cuz you for not making stories like this anymore you guys have really Fallen like bring your brother's back this is the first like dark series y'all I had

[@abloogywoogywoo]

This and Batman the Animated series were the high quality potent TV substances in the 90s.

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

I always liked their rendition of MacBeth better then Shakespeare’s, especially sense the historical evidence says that MacBeth was a well liked king and he was only ever remembered as bad because his enemies won in the end

[@NWCountryGirl17]

You know you're in trouble "When GOLIATH LAUGHS!!!"

[@XiaoFury]

The horrible marriage of Macbeth and Demona. Choose your life mate wisely!

[@Compucles]

It really brings new meaning to the phrase "as long as you both shall live."

[@justmichael651]

@@Compucles Hahahaha!!! Yeah! 😂 And to "Till death do us part part"!

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@justmichael651 Actually, I'm sure there's fanfics that ship Macbeth and Demons together. I wouldn't mind it personally. 😛

[@smugreptile6695]

@@edwardgaines6561 Not here to propagate that toxic pairing, but it does beg the question. Demona not only got Macbeth to marry her, but genuinely feel love again. Demona must have learned a lot about romance over the 1000 years she has been alive to fool someone like Macbeth with 900 years of experience seeing through treachery and lies. And she did it long enough to get to the marriage proposal without showing herself at night. Thats insanely impressive for someone like Demona. Must have been some grade A performances.

[@Montesama314]

Goliath giving love advice is funny, but hey, he actually got his girl. It took him a thousand year sleep to find the woman of his dreams. Maybe Macbeth can find his own love. Hell, if it turned out to be Demona somehow after she achieved a moral epiphany, I'd find it hilarious.

[@stevenbrown1225]

Cleverly rebooting Willie da Shake into a action-kids show. I had forgotten that they did this. Gotta give props to the writers and (w/conditions) to Mouse-Ink.

[@justmichael651]

It's kind of ironic that Brooklyn and Lexington should mention the play Macbeth. You see, when I went to the Historical Villain Upgrade page on TV Tropes; I found this: William Shakespeare was a major purveyor of this trope out of necessity, writing histories to support the royal family's prejudices (not that he might not have agreed with them-but who knows?). "The Real Life Macbeth was one of Scotland's better early kings, and was especially known for his charity toward the poor. He defeated Duncan, a young tyrant invader, in a fair fight in battle, reigning successfully for 17 years before being defeated and killed in battle himself; he was succeeded first by his stepson, then by Malcolm III, the thane who had defeated him. Shakespeare's Macbeth is nothing like the original, partly because his source got a lot of things wrong, but also because Shakespeare was writing the play to appeal to King James I, who was descended from Duncan; portraying an ancestor of King James as weak, ineffective, and/or tyrannical (even if he really was) may have been tantamount to treason, and portraying his ancestor's enemy as a monster would certainly earn James' favor. The play echoes James's belief that kings were chosen by God and that God's will, no matter how thwarted in the short term by tyrants, could not fail in the end. Lady Macbeth's characterization is pure fabrication, as almost nothing is known about her beyond her name, Gruoch (?!)." So in a way, Gargoyles's portrayal of Macbeth is actually more accurate than that of the play.

[@kazemizu]

Wow, that guys death was actually gruesome

[@yarrells]

When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not.

[@andrewallen6860]

Macbeth, the TRUE Highlander! Que "Who wants to live forever" by Queen

[@robertbogan225]

Princes of the universe. Is their song based on the highlander series.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

Ah Gargoyles, the best fanfiction mashup of Ninja Turtles & Shakespeare!

[@malahamavet]

And Batman the animated series

[@jonreese7066]

Goliath took enemies and made them friends Demona made friends and turned them into enemies

[@BlueHooloovoo]

It's interesting that the Macbeth in Gargoyles is actually more historically accurate than Shakespeare's interpretation.

[@bigevil1001]

Macbeth was a real person?!? Not just a Shakespeare character?!?

[@BlueHooloovoo]

@bigevil1001 Yes, Macbeth ruled Scotland from 1040 to 1057. His reign as king was actually quite stable and peaceful for the time period. He wasn't a murdering psychopath like in the play.

[@Lurker1979]

John Rhys-Davies was perfect as Macbeth.

[@bahamutskingdom]

Perhaps the greatest animated cartoon show to ever grace the small screen.

[@danbaldwick4853]

Macbeth is my favorite Gargoyles villain and one of my favorite real life king of Scotland next to James the sixth.

[@eddyshepherd5885]

Hi, don't know if you will really see this but I was wondering what makes James VI one of your favorites?

[@sjcobra84]

Macbeths life in an endless cycle of paradox and nothingness. And the immortal pain pact he shares with Demona doesn't help. 🤣

[@christianfournier6356]

Macbeth got a raw deal. The terms of the contract was he’d trade anything to “save” his family. This bargain was not honored.

[@EbonFang_92]

They both did, Macbeth lost his family, while Demona didn't have a clan to lead

[@EmptyMan000]

Hey Greg, you should do a video about the Weird Sisters. They cause enough suffering and trouble to be considered villainous and they have a lot of material you could include.

[@feraflauna3238]

+EmptyMan000-I'm sure Weisman and the writers of the show wouldn't consider any of the villains truly "villainous" they were just simply individuals with different motivations and that sure definitely applies to the immortal and morally scrupulous Fey aka Oberon's children. Oberon himself is far from a flawless individual, he is often condescending and snide, believing him to be a God among all Fey and mortal alike and his word is law, the ultimate law, but he is not without his compassion towards "lesser" mortals and he has his own strict code of ethics, of honor he abides by, even if it is not considered fair to anyone else. Puck is a pretty typical trickster, he does things just for the fun of it, whether or not it harms someone else is not his concern or problem, he chases after the thrills in the mortal realm, he didn't even want to return to Avalon because he considered it too boring, but to a few people close to him, the people he considers companions, equals, a true friend such as Xanatos, he takes great pride and loyalty in protecting them, and even when he knew Oberon would exact some kind of punishment for staying with Xanatos, even when he was no longer "obligated" to continue to serve Xanatos, especially if it conflicted with his fealty to Oberon, he decided to stay and protect his friend until the end, accepting Oberon's punishment for defying him. The Weird Sisters' entire motivation to help the Archmage was because humans dared to trespass on their "sacred" territory, it was Oberon's decree that no mortal shall touch the land of Avalon, should not be graced to stay on their land, and it was a decree they were willing to follow to the letter, seeing themselves perhaps as Avalon's greatest guardians and when the Magus, Katherine, Tom, etc. defied their orders and landed on Avalon anyway, the mortal humans broke their most sacred law, so to the Weird Sisters, they were in their rights to use any means within their power to exact revenge. They thought it nothing to meddle in Demona and MacBeth's lives, altering their fates and turning their lives to tragedy, they thought it nothing to side with the Archmage to take revenge, on the humans, perhaps even kill if they needed to those who trespassed on their sacred isle, since they view themselves above mortal concerns, they just don't really care that much about mortal lives, only Fey, much like people view ants with passive indifference and sometimes, mortals can be proven useful if they can be manipulated, controlled. Sometimes their motivations allied themselves with the gargoyles'-the Weird Sisters needed to collect Demona and MacBeth to prepare for the assault on the mortals in Avalon so they helped Goliath foil Demona's plan for the purpose of collecting her and MacBeth. And sometimes their motivations didn't align at all-they had no qualms with Goliath beforehand but when he decided to get involved to save the mortals on Avalon, he became one of their biggest enemies and when Oberon awakened from his sleep, they thought it nothing to essentially rat everyone out who was living on Avalon because the mortals broke their law and if they couldn't exact justice, perhaps Oberon himself could.

[@solei5678]

I liked how they appear different before everyone.

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@solei5678 It's like that old joke of God being made in our image...but whose image? We're all different.

[@Blackblax]

If Disney isn't going to make new episodes of this show (just not as boring as "The Goliath Chronicles"), then I'd like to see a live action movie based on the 1st season.

[@powertheimmortal]

10:42 “How and why the bloody hell are you three still around!?!”

[@nateescobales6930]

Futurama, Rick and Morty, Bird girl, Rooster Teeth certain parts of Netflix, especially inside job...eat your lousy frigging hearts out!!

[@NPCSingularity]

Why hasn’t this show been brought back in some form? Disney is just sitting on it and this is the perfect time for it to return.

[@jimmy200570]

Macbeth is one of my favorite male characters in this cartoon.

[@johnathanholmes1297]

Macbeth and Arthur are the next level of bros.

[@ethrsag735]

Equal to if not just coming up behind Goliath and Xanatos.

[@TheDragonOfWhi]

It really is hard to wrap the head around that the most historically accurate depiction of MacBeth in popular media is him being an immortal that fights mythical creatures that turn to stone during the day. That's the legacy of that Shakespeare play of lies.

[@GAvillain]

Hooray! Thank you for finally doing MacBeth! He's my favorite Gargoyles character!

[@furioussherman7265]

11:06 And yet, if he were to kill Demona and by extension himself, who would be left to continue the cycle? Neither Demona or Macbeth have anyone left in their lives who would want revenge: It would end completely with them.

[@feraflauna3238]

Well, that's what MacBeth really wanted. He just wanted it to end for him. He wanted to die so he could finally be released from his immortal torment. So he could finally be reunited with his wife and son in the afterlife. It makes you wonder if MacBeth was ever so desperate, that he tried to commit suicide before to end it? Only to find out the curse is bound where only Demona could kill him, or he could kill Demona to break the pact. For centuries, he kept on looking for a way, just to die. He didn't care about leaving any legacy, that was already taken from him, he just wanted his revenge on Demona and with that, final peace. Demona doesn't want it to end. Her hatred of humanity, her hatred of everyone, consumes her so much that she wants to live to inflict endless suffering on them. A few times, she was stopped so narrowly from committing outright genocide on the human race. Everything was taken from her, but unlike MacBeth, she wants to live to take her life back, or that's what she believes. She wants to live in order to achieve the peace, happiness, and personal forgiveness she longs for. Her life in fact matters to her far more than everyone else's. Even when Goliath broke the crying gargoyle that would've protected gargoyles from the genocide spell, knowing her daughter would die from her hands, she still attempted to smash the spell canister. Demona believes everyone is against her and she has no wish for a true successor. She denied any chance for anyone to be her successor. So Demona and MacBeth are locked into this immortal feud: Demona to continue on her path of genocidal revenge and MacBeth to achieve peace through death. Where they do intend for their own reasons that it end completely with them.

[@furioussherman7265]

@@feraflauna3238 I think you're missing my point. My point is that Goliath shouldn't have been able to talk down Macbeth. Beyond him and Demona, there's no one else left who would carry on their cycle of vengeance. Had he killed her right then and there, he would have fulfilled the prophecy, stopped a genocidal murderer, and finally given himself the peace he so wanted. It should have all ended right then and there.

[@feraflauna3238]

@@furioussherman7265 I see. Goliath was concerned over how MacBeth's need for vengeance consumed his entire life. To where he spent his entire immortal life just looking to die. He never had a chance to ever be. .happy. And that's what Goliath was encouraging him to do. Instead of living hoping to die, try living for once. Goliath has a good heart, but too much of a good heart, towards Demona. He remembers the "wife" he used to have, he remembers his beloved "angel of the night" that stood by his side. To Goliath, it wasn't that long after he woke up that 1,000 year cursed sleep that he reunited with Demona and found out how evil and depraved Demona became. Demona lived 1,000 years in eternal agony and torment. Goliath didn't. A part of him probably still hopes there is a bit of good left in his ex-love where she can be redeemed. To where she would want to be redeemed. He believes in stopping her but he doesn't believe in killing her. However, and the show never got too far before Weisman and the original writers were pulled off the show, Demona's Operation Clean Slate should've changed everything for Goliath. Not only did they narrowly stop her from committing genocide on the entire human race but she nearly killed all the gargoyles with them, including her own daughter. It wasn't just turning an entire city into stone anymore, she very nearly wiped the Earth out of 99.9% of all sentient life. Goliath would have to face really tough questions over if Demona should be kept alive, if they ever captured her, would they be able to contain her. . .forever. . .and if that was truly what was best for even Angela.

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

Recently rewatched this show for the first time in thirty years and Macbeth was my favorite character. He was The Highlander and Batman rolled into one

[@capedluna]

I am re-watching the series again minus season 3. And I love this show,great characters and plot. Truly a show Disney should pride itself on. Not to mention adult characters which I don't see in .any cartoons or anime.

[@earththeelementofearthandn1452]

This is different, King Duncan the bad guy and Macbeth the good guy. That's a really big change.

[@GregXB3]

It's actually more historically accurate. Funny enough.

[@craighorner5259]

Love the King Arthur and Macbeth scene at the end where they agree to fight along sode one another.

[@ArchangelExile]

This was my jam as a kid.

[@meamishere1166]

God, I miss this show. All of the nostalgia driven reboots we've been getting but not this?

[@malahamavet]

And is not just nostalgia, this show is actually good and other people from next years can fall in love with it even if they didn't watch it on the TV. I was born in 1998 so I didn't know this show until I casually watched one episode as a teenager. And now years after I can ensure this show has great writing and doesn't depend on just nostalgia 😁

[@gabriel10169]

We don't need a reboot. They'd just screw it up. What we need is a continuation.

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@gabriel10169 Agreed, but do you want the ABC SATAM version continued? Mixed opinions on that one.

[@gabriel10169]

@@edwardgaines6561 A fair question. We can get rid of all of the last season except the first episode which belonged to the original creators, bring them back and let them continue from where they left off.

[@dat078912reppa]

Its a shame they cant make a live action trilogy or 4 or 5 movie series about Gargoyles its so many characters to use the top 3 most interesting are probably Demona, Xanatos, & MacBeth I wouldn't mind having to see the Gargoyles fight against Oberon in a live action movie

[@christiaanbothma]

Imagine if Shakespeare watched this show. I think he probably would've been proud.

[@Cassadinegirlaz]

Am I the only one that kinda shipped Macbeth and Demona? I mean, they're so eternally bound ... and you know there's passion under all that hate. Plus, he named her?

[@RFerrer]

Supposedly, the show runner has said that part of Demona's deal was that she was a little bit in love with Macbeth, which just made her angrier.

[@SaitohYatate]

It's kind of implied... Disney really took some risk with subtle adult themes throughout the show.

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@RFerrer In love with Macbeth? I never saw that in the show! 😳 Mind blown!

[@onba7726]

So I am not alone! And neither are you.

[@unknownstranger6875]

They got good chemistry. Even as a kid I could see it.

[@idontknowteachmeplease3154]

and thats why xmen illustrations are the same as gargoyles

[@davididiart5934]

Imagine THIS Duncan's death in the original play. Metal AF.