F tier. Detonating Gale will kill all your party members. Unless you do it to skip the very last encounter, in which case it will win you the game.
@joshhobbs48622 ай бұрын
So FS+ heard
@brule17632 ай бұрын
Lmao
@Uhnonimaus2 ай бұрын
@@JirkaKunst Dead gale carried and thrown with necrotic resistance
@joeracer3022 ай бұрын
I have his hand. What to do?
@MonteZuul2 ай бұрын
Remember that Druid's Halo of Spores (Circle of Spores) can pop grenades using only a reaction :-). Thanks for the video - love the content as always.
@mxmadifae2 ай бұрын
Oh! Thanks for the reminder
@user-wv8yk3xu4h2 ай бұрын
Boo is the #1 throwable.
@trengilly012 ай бұрын
Fantastic list . . . BG3 has so many things that can be thrown as 'grenades' that I feel like this is only half the story. Additional Grenade items include: Fireworks: (Popdrakes, Squidjins, and Wogglims) Barrels: (Water, Smokepowder Oil, Brine, Acid, and Firewine) Poisons: Virtually all the weapon coating poisons can also be throw to create AOE cloud effects. These can be super effective and I suspect most players don't realize they can throw them. Additional Special Grenades: (Orthon Explosives, Orthonic Handbombs, Flammable Slime Bombs, Poisonous Slime Bombs) Explosive Satchels: (Smokepowder Satchel, Surprise Teddy Bears!, Runepowder Vials) And three uniques that I feel are worth a mention: Brilliant Retort - a Runepowder bomb that triggers twice Runepowder Vial and Barrel which are both so destructive over such a huge AOE that they have been the death of many parties!
@limpstimpy92032 ай бұрын
runepowder bomb from wulbren in act 3 too!
@TheMossEnthusiast2 ай бұрын
You can throw the poisons?? Damn
@doloresabernathy98092 ай бұрын
Thanks! for this!! I had no idea about thrown poisons. And I thought that the Brilliant Retort does nothing extra. What does it mean that the Brilliant Retort "detonates twice"? I think Ceph mentioned as a bug that any Smokepowder bomb can explode more than once if it is damaged more than once at the same time. Is that the same thing, or you mean something else?
@trengilly012 ай бұрын
@@doloresabernathy9809 Brilliant Retort is supposed to explode twice, that's what the 'brilliant retort' is. I don't know if its also subject to the same smokepowder bomb bug . . . if so I expect it could fire twice every time its triggered.
@Zero_Zone.2 ай бұрын
Karabasan's Gift is also missing.
@rubymaes90062 ай бұрын
"The Web Grenade falling damage effect is replicable with Faerie Fire" You won't just die, you'll make sure eeeeeeverybody can see it
@TheSporelord012 ай бұрын
I assume he meant feather fall and misspoke
@rubymaes90062 ай бұрын
@@TheSporelord01 yep
@devonsharkey4142 ай бұрын
I think it is worth mentioning that these grenades reveal invisible enemies in the annoying fights where they are present. They usually don’t move much after they go down invisible and an alchemist fire to break up invisible isn’t a bad action use.
@joeracer3022 ай бұрын
Cast create water is a great way to do it also, has pretty big AOE, and will reveal invisible enemies.
@nathanfivecoate58482 ай бұрын
Backpack is the strongest throwable since you can stuff it with any number of grenades (if they aren't stacked in the inventory slots) and set them off all at once with something like a Chromatic Orb (fire). Used a backpack bomb stuffed with all the damaging throwables I had to nuke the Apostle of Myrkul in 1turn in my Honor run. 1. Throw Backpack at the Apostle's feet 2. Misty Step to a Necromite 3. Smack Necromite with a Divine Smite to one-hit kill it 4. Use Bloodlust Action to cast Chromatic Orb (Fire) from a scroll on the backpack to destroy it and set off all the explosives, killing the Apostle of Myrkul
@cryamistellimek91842 ай бұрын
I will now take this guide and once again forget about the runepowder bomb I took and leave it in karlach’s inventory.
@randomencounter898422 күн бұрын
"I will use it against brain"
@inderdeepsingh54982 ай бұрын
I think my next character is gonna be a consumable only character and this tier list along with the potion tier list is definitely gonna be useful. I didn't realize that the Berserker's prone on throw effect also worked on grenades but I guess it makes sense since its the same as any other throw attack. Great video as always!
@eirh2 ай бұрын
I feel like the combo between throwing items and mage hand is important to remember. You can drop basically all these from your inventory without any action cost and have a mage hand use it's throwing action. A party member using an Action to throw an Acid Vial is mediocre, I agree with you. Having a mage hand do it suddenly changes everything. Some consider this strategy cheesy (for good reason), but it's in the game so anyone can use it if they want.
@AirLancerАй бұрын
"Cheesy" in a single player game really has no meaning. It's just people policing how other people are having fun, and getting mad when it doesn't line up with what they'd do.
@joshhobbs48622 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥 35:15 what a godsend! I'm playing my honor mode right now, need to jump off a massive cliff and only have faerie fire! Brb
@Cephalopocalypse2 ай бұрын
Gotta make sure everyone's paying attention!
@alexisF10312 ай бұрын
this series has been making me see sooo many more opportunities, tysm for this!
@flibbernodgets70182 ай бұрын
2:53 if you do it badly enough, any grenade you throw can fit this description
@korakys2 ай бұрын
Neat, I was hoping for this one after the last two consumables videos. Weapon coatings next I hope?
@trengilly012 ай бұрын
Haste Spores - the only thing to be careful with is that enemies entering the cloud can also get hasted. Need to make sure you only use them where your party can access them.
@doloresabernathy98092 ай бұрын
I always learn from Ceph's videos, no matter how many hours I have played. Here I learned these three (among other tidbits): There is a difference between Haste Spoor Grenades and the Haste Spoor Flask. Terazul is useful and stacks with Potion of Speed. The Brilliant Retort is better than the normal Smokepowder Bomb (learned from comments).
@seporokey2 ай бұрын
Coatings, Arrows, and Barrels tier-list when?! Lol, good list overall. Let's not forget the other S-Tier benefit of water, washing the blood off your characters before entering into dialogue!
@ryanstewart22892 ай бұрын
Satchel bombs are my favorite part of BG3.
@dinospfc2 ай бұрын
You forgot to menion Concussion Grenades, which while is somewhat hard to obtain, is technically farmable and is a significant enough effect even if you only grab the ones that appear without farming
@matthewfuhrken9835Ай бұрын
the surface from caustic bulb is permanent. So there are often chances that you can toss it in from stealth and without combat just keep beating down unalerted bad guys. Things like the spider queen will just sit on it and can potentially die. I also have fun tossing them off the upper floor of the moonrise tower down onto the patrolling bad guys below. granted they will eventually heal, but its constantly harassing them, and if you jump in after its done a bit, you can lead the battle with an advantage.
@AlexiDragomir2 ай бұрын
I would have also mentioned the utility of smokepowder bombs for dealing with doors, walls, and such with Medium Toughness which might not be immediately obvious to more casual players
@davidwagner37102 ай бұрын
Alchemists Fire is my favorite way to reveal invisible enemies
@RussellSmithOmegaW2 ай бұрын
Another thing I like with the smokepowder bomb is that when an enemy is low on HP even in later game it can be a handy coup de grace when you've otherwise got a miss chance.
@wladib87702 ай бұрын
Hi. Great content! I have to say, you are my favorite BG3 KZbinr. I would like to ask you for another tier list. Could you make a tier list with all the 6th-level spells, including spells you can upcast? For example, compare Globe of Invulnerability and Arcane Gate to upcast versions of Control, Magic Missiles, Hold Person, Fireball, etc. Thanks and great job again. Looking forward to your next video!
@dinospfc2 ай бұрын
Caustic bulb surfaces can break other potions/items for action free effects. Combines very well with void bulbs where you can just drop it on the surface from inventory for infinite free AoE pull
@MarianojoeyАй бұрын
One thing about the Caustic Bulb is that brine surfaces explode when ignited (doing 2d6 if I'm not mistaken, with no save, so free), and has a pretty usefull push effect (again with no save dc), and leaves a nice flamming area, so enemies moving around will get burned too. I use it on the Nautiloid to force the cambions to reposition, specially Zhalk, before stealing his flaming sword (he always ignites it and both him and the mindflayer blow towards the center of the room, where you want them). :D For me, the Caustinc Bulb is definately A tier, for the whole Act 1. :)
@ZanderKreegan2 ай бұрын
Even 1 guaranteed damage is nice for removing Unstoppable stacks in an AoE in the late game. Spiked Bulbs, Void Bulbs, and Alchemist’s Fire are all excellent at this.
@TKDB1316 күн бұрын
Another factor worth considering with grenades is Mage Hand. With a little setup (pre-cast Mage Hand and drop a selection of grenades for it to throw) grenades don't even cost you your own actions in combat!
@gametangia2 ай бұрын
I love acid vials, If you throw them with mage hand the opportunity cost are very low, so when I have a low hit chance I like throwing it at enemies.
@CMiY02 ай бұрын
Nice use. I always wanna use mage hand but setting it up before a fight feels like a chore lol. Specially when you have to also setup longstrider and all the other daily buffs.
@gametangia2 ай бұрын
@@CMiY0 I never use more then one bc its anoying, but imo mage hand is the most broken cantrip in the game for a variety of reasons
@CMiY02 ай бұрын
@@gametangia yeah I’d say its up there with minor illusion and guidance. Really hard to pick between either of the three cause they’re all so damn good. I do think minor illusion has the highest potential because it really just groups up all enemies in one spot for a massacre, but I’d say mage hand is the most versatile and guidance is of course probably going to see the most use out of all of them so it’s the most consistent in that regard.
@bentrieschmann2 ай бұрын
I got a good use out of the hearthlight bomb, but ironically Gale didn't have dancing lights. He used the mentioned bomb to reveal a shadow that was about to try to destroy him.
@TekoraX2 ай бұрын
How do you do it every time ceph? I thought for sure after the potions tierlist, this man is done. How about a weapon actions and unique weapon actions tierlist next?
@LeGioNnd2 ай бұрын
"Cough!" "Cough!" Runepowder...
@ianwinter5142 ай бұрын
hitting wet people with arsonists oil also makes them weak to fire damage
@darthnihilus621110 күн бұрын
after the wet condition is over...
@CadmiumPoisoning2 ай бұрын
"There are no grenades that are actively harmful to you" is a fucking hilarious line out of context
@ReclusiveDev2 ай бұрын
curious about orthinic handbombs, orthon explosive, and concussion grenades. can you still pick up the handbombs and concussion grenades? those were the only grenades I really used because of how wild they are
@smrtt922 ай бұрын
They exploded in my inventory at long rest, it really scared me
@engrammi16 күн бұрын
Spiked bulb can be very useful if you get the "BOOOAL's Benediction" buff for you team. Getting advantage on a group of enemies for the price of an action is pretty good. I do agree that it's probably B tier for a normal run, but can be absolutely devastating should you do the BOOOAL sacrifice.
@jah53912 ай бұрын
Thank you! I've never actually used any throwables. Now I just need one for Illithid powers.
@slaminjaminotter72862 ай бұрын
My problem with the spiked bulbs is even if they are a consistent way to inflict bleeding, a lot of the synergies with bleeding can be done in other ways with less setup. (Yes I am including the full party synergy you can get, bc advantage can be gotten in other ways)
@quasarsword74792 ай бұрын
Need a video on effects like wrath and heat
@puddinz-faork2 ай бұрын
I imagine if you use the drop item + use mage hand to throw combo, everything just goes up a tier. Probably not worth to think about cause more actions is better, but it’s a combo I’m biased towards. Great stuff as always!
@ericlandon9502 ай бұрын
Thanks for this list..coatings next, please!
@andyl76772 ай бұрын
Arrows tier list next plz!
@joerundell81972 ай бұрын
Thanks for opening my eyes to the use of them
@theta16722 ай бұрын
If you throw any of these with the enraged throw you also get to knock enemies prone, so that enhances the efficiency even further :) The sleeping potion can be thrown on venders to have an easier time pickpocketing them and not getting caught ;)
@BiSBuilds2 ай бұрын
I got 2 haste grenades from the mycoid quest in honour mode, not sure if flasks exist in honour
@ecbrown61512 ай бұрын
Water is OP, love it and it’s one of the few pots I use consistently.
@trengilly012 ай бұрын
I also use Water Barrels . . . same effect but a much bigger AOE!
@mxmadifae2 ай бұрын
Great list! I’m curious whether you have experimented with various packages of grenades (backpacks, crates, etc) and have any tips when building those gift packs of death
@moonwatcher992 ай бұрын
Please tell me you plan to finish out the video set by doing oils and coatings. If there's one thing that annoys me in BG3, it's that a lot of the descriptions don't actually give you a basic description of what it does, just flavor text. At least that's how it is in the alchemy window, which really makes it hard to decide what to spend resources crafting. IT would be nice to see that breakdown to round out the series, please!
@WearyWeaver2 ай бұрын
Might have missed one, depends on criteria. I know it's mainly a Coating but, I think, Oil of Freezing can also be thrown as a Grenade. It inflicts Encrusted with Frost, so you need a Cold set but if you do, it's REALLY good. As for the list, thank you I just found Heartlight Bombs are a thing. Nevermind trenglily01 in the comments is absolutely right.
@vladimirk76862 ай бұрын
Arrows and throwable items are so cool in BG3. Shame they are not a thing in base tabletop dnd. That's why martials suck so much starting from nearly a ~7 lvl.
@vincent48052 ай бұрын
Where are all the fireworks? In HM I stuff all the fireworks and smokepowder bombs I hoard into a container, hurl container near final fight (the one with the 5 turn timer and annoying mechanics) and detonate, guarantees a win
@noahsenninger31932 ай бұрын
is the orthonic explosive not a grenade?
@darthnihilus621110 күн бұрын
maybe becaus you can only get 3 the entire game?
@chronosvonflowersby76802 ай бұрын
Seems to be some audio issues with this one
@Cristian_D63Ай бұрын
I accidentally 1 shot the nether brain on my first playthrough by dropping 12 smoke powder bombs beside it and blowing them up. 😂
@TheMelnTeam2 ай бұрын
Too bad you can't stack floor effects, but I guess they learned their lesson from BG1 and BG2 where the math on stacking 7+ webs got extremely brutal for anything that wasn't outright immune.
@GhostofaNewAge2 ай бұрын
Next up: Camp Supplies Tier List
@thevigilmain66282 ай бұрын
Please rank illithid powers next
@user-vt4mo7qm4p2 ай бұрын
Are you going to be doing a vid on weapon coatings?
@Cephalopocalypse2 ай бұрын
Stay tuned ;)
@zeroskaterjjr9817 күн бұрын
What about the orthon explosive, and the brilliant retort?
@matthewfuhrken9835Ай бұрын
just realized, there is no smoke powder satchel here.
@cannyvalley85222 ай бұрын
Water washes away puddles of acid and caustic brine
@complainer4062 ай бұрын
Isn't the downside to haste spores that enemy creatures can also gain the effect?
@kinggamereon6532 ай бұрын
Holy water is an absolute scam. I figured it'd work on Mizora as she is stated to be a fiend to keep her away from the camp for good. Just throw one where she stands and she disappears every turn due to taking damage, also it's not a danger to scratch/the owl bear cub. However, for some fucking reason it doesn't work on Mizora.
@ginar23392 ай бұрын
Mizora can’t be damaged :/
@kinggamereon6532 ай бұрын
@@ginar2339 yes, but when she should take damage she teleports away. For example if you eldritch blast her she takes 0 damage and teleports away. But she doesn't take that 0 damage from holy water despite being a fiend.
@pdballou2 ай бұрын
I decided to go from balanced with a ton of save scumming straight to honour mode for my second playthrough. On nere, accidentally pulled everyone when I tagged one of the Duergar while blowing up the wall, and then threw a grenade that doesn't explode on impact mid fight, which promptly got thrown back at me -__-
@trengilly012 ай бұрын
Caustic Bulb is for when you want to use Alchemists Fire . . . but DON'T want to set the environment on fire!
@Washburne212 ай бұрын
Actually, the caustic brine is highly flamable.
@icata12345Ай бұрын
most i used is a bit of water here and there in act 1 and a it in 2... i wonder if im missing out
@Noobgamer03252 ай бұрын
Magic: the gathering mentioned. Liked
@ranmashiah19992 ай бұрын
Nice, now only coating and barrels are left Wonder how you would rate them
@trengilly012 ай бұрын
I've always considered Barrels as Grenades already since you can use them the same way. And you can also throw all the different Poison Coatings to make AOE bombs!
@SisyphusianSaturnite15 күн бұрын
What of the SS++ Brilliant Retort?
@frankovercrest23172 ай бұрын
As a chemist, the acid vial seems so heinous.
@chauncyriggsby99972 ай бұрын
what about the skull grenades that you can get from dammon for giving him three of the cursed mask??
@chauncyriggsby99972 ай бұрын
they are listed as Orthon Explosive's you can only get them from devilfoil mask they provide 3d6 fire on throw plus 1d4 fire on turn, plus thunder damage + knock back
@TheMossEnthusiast2 ай бұрын
Does the Brilliant Retort etc. Not count as a grenade?
@travishartzler91552 ай бұрын
I hate enemies using grease on me so much that I refuse to use it on them. I use 2 per run, on statues. The rest I sell.
@shoulderdeepcloud33982 ай бұрын
completed bg3 6 times, never seen a shrapnel grenade lol
@cHaMp6302 ай бұрын
Smokepowder bombs get damage riders even on honour mode from fall damage, impacting fire surfaces, etc thus are s+
@CMiY02 ай бұрын
Where’s the orthon explosive?
@Pandaemoni2 ай бұрын
No brilliant retort?
@darthnihilus621110 күн бұрын
sad holy water doesn't apply wet effect
@byronruano20222 ай бұрын
Can u do all weapons
@antoniohristov87292 ай бұрын
Where runepowder bro
@kalythaiАй бұрын
Is your microphone dying?
@CephalopocalypseАй бұрын
It was, I've since replaced it
@Jamisen222 ай бұрын
If your spellcaster is using grenades as their default attack, you're playing wrong 😂
@Cephalopocalypse2 ай бұрын
I'm not 100% sure what you're confused about, but it's definitely something! Grenades are an excellent action if you have no relevant spell or are trying to conserve spell slots
@Jamisen222 ай бұрын
You said: "Often times your spellcaster doesn't have a good default offensive option" - if this is the case, you've built poorly. Cantrips scale really well in this game, so you should always have a good spell attack, regardless of spell slots (or scrolls are EVERYWHERE). I'm not saying it's never useful to have them throw a grenade, but it should in no way be a default attack. Plus throw distance scales with strength, so you should be leaning way more on your physically beefy characters to be launching grenades.
@tobiaskoran67872 ай бұрын
Runepowder vial where
@aratakeneikawa65892 ай бұрын
Too strong to be here
@doloresabernathy98092 ай бұрын
ACT 2 SPOILER WARNING. Barcus Wroot spends many days working on his "Brilliant Retort" and he thinks its a great invention, but it seems like it is exactly the same as every other Smokepowder Bomb that you can have in abundance by then. That is what I thought until I read a comment on this video and then read the wiki (Note to self: read the wiki). The tooltip in game omits important information. I think that is a deliberate deception of the player into thinking Barcus is deluded or a liar, when he actually has a hidden power or truth. It is part of a very cleverly written portrayal of a complex character. Is he an archetypical "wise fool," or a liar with a heart of gold? Is he a childhood friend with a sublimated sexual crush on a same-sex friend? Is he meant to depict someone with autistic spectrum disorder? He is funny, deluded, awkward, and sad. But he is in many ways superior to his "superiors"... I won't say more to avoid more spoilers.