Gretsch Broad'tron - Not Real Filtertrons

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[@billybadfinger597]

Ummm Dylan...those are not "fake" FilterTrons...they a "real" BroadTrons...Gretsch is very clear on their site that the B'Trons are DIFFERENT than F'Trons...they are not trying to scam anybody by using those toaster top covers...just trying to preserve the Gretsch heritage... And G&B do build some very good pups...just my 2 cents :)

[@umovilac]

G&B pickups are korean made , they're used by PRS SE, Washburn, and other brands. A good cheap pickup

[@JeffreyBurtonYT]

Why do you call them 'fake Filterl'trons? They aren't. They are completely different pickups with a completely different name, Broad'tron. There's nothing fake about them. I listened to a bunch of demos and they are very good humbuckers with very good articulation. Update: I actually bought a Gretsch G5220 with Broad'trons and I LOVE THEM. They are by far the best modern humbuckers I've heard.

[@popsfereal]

I will just say, the BT-2s are pretty good pickups, as long as you don't assume they will "sound like filtertrons".

[@DMSProduktions]

No! I Broad 'Tron' is not a Filter'Tron! Nothing alike! My Friend Mr. Fab makes a Broad'tron style pick up. It sounds great but is not 100% Filter'tron like!

[@richb3326]

Assuming these are the same or similar to the Broadtron pickups on the Streamliner series, I can say that removing half the pole pieces adds lots of definition and makes it sound much closer to a filtertron and less muddy. Worth a go y'all.

[@oskarileikos]

Did you remove the pole pieces on the same coil or three on bass strings on the other coil and three on treble strings on the other coil?

[@richb3326]

@@oskarileikos three on each. Was contemplating buying some tv jones filtertrons or gretsch hs filtertrons. Sure they're amazing but after my pole piece removal, it's night and day difference. Got the clarity of a single coil with the bite of a humbucker

[@oskarileikos]

@@richb3326 interesting... Should I try the same with my cheap wilkinson paf-style humbuckers... They've got only six screws on one coil but maybe it would work all the same?

[@richb3326]

@@oskarileikos I'm no expert but you need two lines of screws on the pickup. Then remove the e a and d screws closest to the bridge and the g b and e closest to the neck on both pickups

[@andrewpearson1903]

This comment just saved me $300. To my ear it’s not night-and-day difference, but the response and tone do seem a bit better. Thank you Jim B

[@joffle86]

Thanks Dylan, I’m enjoying watching the evolution of this guitar! Cheers from London, UK.

[@wiseowl2335]

I don't see the point of taking a cheap guitar and putting a bunch of expensive parts in it. why not buy the better unit in the first place?

[@drewdavis2392]

Possible video idea: What are the differences between the Gretsch Filtertron variants? They have the Filter'tron, the Full'tron, and the Broad'tron, apparently with slightly different designs to aim for different characteristics. So, it would be interesting to compare the tones on those, dissect them, and learn what makes them different from each other, as well as different from the PAF-style humbucker (which you've already done).. Also the Hilo'Tron and Dynasonic, on the list, but they might already be covered. That relatively recent video on Filtertron differences with a PAF-style humbucker briefly mentioned that the HiLo'Tron was a single coil with a big magnet. And the Dynasonic is a single-coil, so maybe they don't belong in a *Tron video.

[@marsmediapro]

You've demonstrated what I've wondered about... and now, it's more clear than ever! Thanks, Dylan!

[@williamcaddy1386]

What you mentioned at 11:15 about someone commenting on a video having trouble finding drop in replacements for their import Gretsch - The earlier Electromatics (5120s for example) came with 'Vintage Style' tuners with an 8.5mm bushing rather then the 10mm hole that came on later electromatics which were equipped with Grovers. Just a note that Grovers will not be a 'drop in' for all import Gretsch models.

[@Anjohl]

I played one of those Junior Jet's, it was the first Gretsch I played, and I thought it sounded absolutely fantastic. It sounds like nothing else I ever played, and it definitely has sent me down the Gretsch rabbithole!

[@chriskilcullen]

And single coils are not real humbuckers! beware! 😁

[@IanOPadrick]

I mean they did also rename the pickup. That was a pretty significant thing that happened. Like, I understand where you're coming from, but they very much did rename the pickup

[@jeroengevers]

I got the white version. Changed the bridge for a wilkinson wraparound and the tuners for klusons. Have to swap the pots and pups in a later stage.

[@MaxNafeHorsemanship]

Those pickups fooled me. I bought a G2215 because it had a P90 and a Filtertron. I found out different. The broadtron went in the garbage and it now has a HS Filter'Tron. 100% happy with the work it took to make it fit.

[@Philip_Taylor]

Thanks for the tuner suggestion, I was wondering. Will do the same with mine.

[@oldguy5381]

Thank Dylan, you make a lot of sense. I’m new to your channel you explain in clarity. Thanks stay safe.

[@fin3590]

Those tuners that are on it are great. I left my one guitar for a couple of months and they are still perfectly in tune Even the g string 😂

[@bciecko1]

Great bit of info here. Looking forward to the progress and work on this.

[@visje1996]

Hey Dylan thanks for doing a giveaway outside of the US dude, I feel really included

[@jpvvandermerwe87]

Great clip - as always. Please keep 'em coming. GREAT JOB ! We appreciate you creative approach to these clips.

[@louisfryzel4618]

Do you remember if the BT-2s Filtertrons had ceramics or alnico magnets? I've looked online and can't find anything definitive. I know some people say they can be muddy, which to me tends to mean it has ceramics, as well as having higher output. But I don't know.

[@Bliggick]

Great video. I like the way you savagely dissect the pickup. I really think you should change the switch tip to the metal Gretsch version so you can injure your hand if you do the Townsend windmill and miss!. Great info on the pots. I was playing my Electromatic G5220 last night and it has the same crap pots. I like how you and Philip McKnight both justify locking tuners for easy string changes only! I must admit those tall posts on those locking Grovers looks a little weird. I seldom break a string and use a thin pick and long-life Elixirs, so I don't mind taking the time and do a minimal-wrap self-locking string winding technique to stabilize tuning. Fine tuning the nut slots or replacing with a Tusq is what I do always.

[@b.rodclark7349]

I put G&B pickups in my Strat from Stewmac as Golden Age PU's and @6K they're similar to Fender Tex-Mex pickups. They supply a lot of company overseas like my Tradition CAB10 Tele and all I did was swap out the cheap electronics for a premium wiring kit that came with a 4-way switch and those pickups are so on point to me especially the bridge that's P90 hot @8.5K after swapping out the old Alpha pots for CTS 250Ks that sounds way better than before the upgrade... good luck to the winner if it isn't me!😁

[@atlejohnnyrygg7124]

I got one of these a couple weeks ago and think these pickups are actually quite good. Better than alnico classic and alnico classic pro i have had in my Epiphones imho. Just removed stock volume pot with resistor and cap and put in a big size alpha B500K pot and put on speed knobs with numbers wich makes it easier to find the right position. I think the pickups clean up quite a bit, maybe not as much as other pickups, but they do clean up and it is a lot easier to adjust that with new pot and knobs. Tuners are better than on the really cheap guitars, but not as good as Grovers found on many Epiphones, but I think they are on par with the kluson style that Epiphone has on many of their guitars. Lot of guitar for the money. Don't think I will do much more with it at this point. Thought of replacing the tuners with Gotoh SG301 as they seem to be a drop in replacement, but not necessary so I'll just keep the stock ones for now.

[@atlejohnnyrygg7124]

And I really like the neck on this. Not sticky wich some laquered necks can be. Has a nice rounded shape that lies perfectlys in the hand. Not skinny, but not too thick either. Just be aware of sharp fret ends. Needed to file down some on mine.

[@thedaways]

Thanks for this info. Looking to get this guitar for a younger beginner guitarist. If I could ask a question. Other youtubers changed out all the pots on these broad trons, did you just swap out the volume pot?

[@atlejohnnyrygg7124]

@@thedaways I normally have everything on 10 (especially the tone knob) so it wasn't a big deal to me, but I had a pot and knobs lying in my parts-box so I replaced them. If I hadn't I wouldn't order the pot, but I did order some other knobs off ebay though as I think it might look better with amber knobs (the speed knobs I had laying are black). New strings and a setup and you are good to go 😀 Pickups might be a bit dark, but so are my other guitars so my amp is set accordingly.

[@thedaways]

@@atlejohnnyrygg7124 thanks for replying. Happy to give this guitar as a gift now. Amber would look great too.

[@atlejohnnyrygg7124]

@@thedaways I would recomend it if you like the design. It's fairly easy to do some upgrades later on if you feel it is lacking in any way

[@ChrisChocol]

those pickups sounded petty good to me- it's he just being a snob here? i mean tone is subjective, sure, but they didn't sound like they were lacking. and i understand wanting to mod and add something different, why not ofc

[@DragonofLimerick]

Interesting as always! I love putting locking tuners on my guitars for the purpose of ease in stringing too!

[@danielvought1802]

I’ve been watching this video for five minutes and so far it has absolutely nothing to do with the title

[@Olegstuff21986]

Those Gretsches have a treble bleed circuit - if you remove it, you'll get a usable volume pot. I guess replacing the pots did this as well, but this method would probably have been simpler than changing out the pots :). Cheers!

[@mikegrasso9736]

The bigsby makes that guitar look so fun

[@jasondehart9345]

Can’t wait to see what the upgraded guitar looks and sounds like

[@SSRT_JubyDuby8742]

Someone is going to win a sorted guitar, good luck 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧

[@michaelgomez9370]

Good luck all!

[@noakwesterberg]

I recently bought a 2011 g5120 with broadtrons. I will probably swap the pickups, but I think they're pretty good humbuckers. But yeah, not filtertrons...

[@redielg]

I have a Gretsch G2622T that I upgraded/modded the hell out of just like this. Grover 18:1 tuners, string butler, tusq xl nut, real filtertrons, 500k CTS audio taper pots (with 5% tolerance), treble bleed mod, greasebucket tone, chrome gretsch hardware instead of plastic, a locking roller bridge, biggsfix tuning stabilizer, super squishy spring, string spoiler, chrome armrest, switchcraft jack and a football jack plate. i went overboard. Probably spent as much on the parts as i did on the guitar. Don't recommend. But it was fun. Its unique and mine.

[@SidBonkers51]

Cool modding, like the look of those tuners.

[@docsiltanen]

Hey Dylan … I'm interested to see how the roller bridge retro-fit is going to go… i knew you'd come up with a solution, just curious as to which one ??? Great to chat with you on the TT live stream…. those things are usually a blast !!!

[@andrewguttry6886]

"Fake Filtertrons"? Didn't the fact that they're called Broad'Trons give you a clue as to what they are and what they are not?

[@autistichead8137]

I love my Broad’Trons they sound fantastic. They are not another pickup. They are they. And they are awesome.

[@goosegaskins]

@@autistichead8137 I’m considering a 2622 with Broad’Trons. I don’t get why people are down on the BTs.

[@autistichead8137]

@@goosegaskins I love mine, I have a good friend who is a touring professional guitarist and he has two guitars with these pick ups in them and adores them. They are absolutely fantastic Rockers, This guy is deaf.

[@goosegaskins]

@@autistichead8137 Thanks for the info! The only thing stopping me right now is the fact that I want a real deep sounding humbucker to complement my Rickenbacker 4003W. I’m wondering if the Broad’Tron can get deep...

[@autistichead8137]

@@goosegaskins Well they are super deep in my G5622T I only upgraded the pots, Something you should do with every Asian guitar anyway. I use 52-12 strings and it’s a marriage made in heaven. Super deep booming.

[@Samana009]

The sound with the mic camera is better, more faithful of what is going on in the room

[@Nothing-gv8mv]

I just got the same guitar 2 weeks ago. I put a gotoh wrap around bridge and some planet Wave locking tuners. Got some Seymour Duncan fat cats and some Emerson peds but but sure am enjoying those cheap pickups for now.

[@repoman5581]

Could you name some adjustable wrap around bridges that would fit right on there and if possible could you see if thomann has one that would fit... thanks if you can or cant :)

[@MrEDL1966]

Where is the link for the drop in Grover locking tuners? Thanks!!

[@mikeivey8471]

Love the video , Bro. !! Great info !!

[@nathanokeefe9169]

thanks for the videos!

[@Cactusruss1]

I never win these kinds of contests, but I'm glad you are still offering them. Keep up with the good work my friend.

[@pskemster]

Excellent looking guitar Dylan!

[@rickdabass]

Finally someone that make good videos and with true knowledge and not saying how good is the guitar!! Thank you for that

[@andrewpearson1903]

My Gretsch Streamliner had the same problem -- the knobs might as well have been on-off switches. My guitar tech opened it up and found that during shipping or something, the knob or pot had been broken somehow (I think the pin connecting knob to pot had broken). It seems to get more volume & nuance now, though not much

[@andrewpearson1903]

Taking out half of the pole pieces from each pickup (the ones towards the neck under the GBE strings and the ones toward the bridge under the EAD strings), like Jim B suggested in another comment, seems to have helped a little too

[@kennowell5641]

You never mentioned the exact model number for the Grover tuners. It would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[@EdgarsLS]

I hate how filtetrons usually sound, but when paired with the right amp (my favorite the Gretch 6160, of the mesa boogie dc3) anyway, yeah with the right amp I think it really sounds amazing.

[@MaxNafeHorsemanship]

Educational. I just bought a G2215 and was disappointed it was a BroadTron. Thanks to this vid, I know they are worse than I thought. Love the P-90, but I think I will be buying a real Filtertron for it.

[@lucasimmons075]

These aren't Broad'trons though. The Junior Jet that you are playing has normal humbuckers tweaked to sound Gretsch-ey. They are a one-off pickup to save cost

[@kennyh5083]

massive difference, many if not most swap out their pups when the real problem are the pots and caps!

[@TippyI]

Before this video finished. I have a fender Mexican Nashville telecaster. It came fitted with 1meg pots not 250k not 500k but 1000k. It was bright as hell way too top “endy”. I replaced both vol & tone with CTS 250k pots + a330k orange cap and total tonality why are guitar companies doing this.

[@DDE_ADDICT]

i love watching you destroy junk pickups :-)

[@duanebass]

I really like your no-nonsense honest approach to explain things. I am so tired of disguised humbuckers! I liked the video about the Seth lover PU's and now this one about Gretsch. Even though some of these masquerades sound good, why do they have to make them look like something they're not. Oh well, commercialism! Glad to have someone to pull the covers down! Also, I'm loving that Gretsch. I just signed up and entered. Please! Nobody else enter cause, I WANT IT!!!

[@luthierwnc]

Hi Dylan, What bridge did you end up using? Thanks, sh

[@2bikemikesguitartopics145]

It's kind of the sleight-of-hand but slight of sound marketing calling them broadtron humbuckers

[@2000SkyView]

I'm guessing those are the GRETSCH BT-2S Broad'tron Pickups?

[@jonallen5280]

Excited about this guitar build. Fun to watch. Though I'm sure you've shared this before, what wire do you use for wiring up your guitars? I typically buy spools off Amazon, but I'm just not happy with it. The coating melts too easily and it all just feels a little cheap. I'm not sold on the need for cloth wire (Although I do like working with it), so I'm just looking for something solid and reliable. Would you mind sharing a link to the actual stuff you use?

[@ericcrawford9827]

Replacing the pots, rewiring, putting a treble bleed in-how difficult is it?

[@dugbert5]

I don't love the Broad'Trons in my JR and I'm wondering if 1 meg pots would help.

[@wpkg]

who ever said they were trying to be filtertrons?

[@valueofnothing2487]

So the filtertron has fewer windings on a stronger magnet?

[@TheBaconWizard]

And a steel baseplate.

[@paulmartin4713]

This is going to be a sweet guitar!

[@Explorerofthesea]

Thank you for the video ! Are they same size like humbuckers ? Can ı fit on gretsch guitars humbucker sized p90 such as Lollar Novel ?

[@joeladams2540]

They're advertised as broadtron

[@pcollenyt3683]

"Volume Mod" = Treble Bleed. Presumably you replaced the Reverse Audio (C) type pots with Standard Audio (A) type pots, and not with Linear (B) taper pots, correct ?

[@dirtdiggler4213]

Can you drop a filtertron in place of a broadtron without any modification? Are they the same size?

[@richarddaradar6173]

Is the Roswell filtertons will fit in that slot or better with humbucker pickups?

[@lunkercarp]

We're the original Grover tuners with 180° SCREWS or 45° screws to mount like my Gretsch 5655tg? I can't find 45° locking tuners with post longer than 20 mm to fit my Gretsch 5655tg

[@Chefy620]

I was going to get the Grtesch G5655TG, but they didn't have it in stock, so I got a G2655T. I was disappointed in the pots it came with, it has the same issue with the volume as well as the tuners. I would definitely want to replace them and eventually switch out the pickups as well. Would you be able to provide a link for the pots you mentioned in the video?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Since Gretch is made by Fender, what's the difference between the filtertron and what Gretch uses?

[@mrjasondylan]

Filtertron is a classic Gretsch pickup that they have patent on since way back when Gretsch were still made only in USA, fender don't make them they just bought out Gretsch but there still there own seperate guitars. Gretsch like Fender still have there high end USA models then slightly cheaper Japanese models ( like 4k US 2500K Japan) then there budget like $5-600 Chinese ones. Audi own Ducati, Toyota own Lexus but there all still there own brands with there own models there aren't Fender filtertron then Gretsch there only Gretsch.

[@fin3590]

Thank you for confirming my thoughts on those pickups

[@cubistone]

Get filtertron if you want it. That simple.

[@TheDoug2103]

BUDDY, i hear everything you are saying and im sure you know your stuff, i just dont hear alot of what youre talking about, i have no problem with my stock gretsch parts. maybe im low maintenence. when you run thru the range of the pots, it sounds no different to me than my stock pots. i guess i just dont hear it..

[@Abruzzo333]

Same here.

[@visje1996]

Maybe give the old broad Tron you did not take appart away? It sure is a upgrade compared to some humbuckers I have heard!

[@konjunto2477]

Hi, great video! I'm just curious if you can explain the difference between the Broadtron BT-S and the Blackface Broadtrons. Im very confused. Thank you.

[@popsfereal]

You're at 80k...I think I'm late to the party.

[@mtrooze]

Question: What are the "Blacktop" Broadtrons and Filtertrons? These show up on the line above the Streamliners, the Electromatics. I imagine that the Blacktop Broadtrons are just like the Streamliner Broadtrons, except with a piece of black plastic in the pickup cover, which is not something I would be interested in. However, I really like the Gretsch Electromatic G5420T and G5422T for the price, and they come with "Blacktop Filtertrons." These are advertised as being modeled after pickups taken out of Baldwin-era Gretsch guitars. So what is this construction? Moreover, what is this tone like?

[@GregStraub42]

I've been looking at, and played a couple, G5222 double jets and the Broad'trons do sound good, filter'trons or not. They sound different than the PAF style pickup guitars I played back to back with it but I don't know enough to know why.

[@autistichead8137]

My G5622T is an absolute beast with the Broad’Trons. Bell like highs deep rich resonance. The only thing I did was upgrade the tone pot and capacitor. It initially had two settings pillow over speaker and pillow not on speaker. This simple dirt cheap mod really opened it up. Plus it has separate volume controls for each pickup. I play Yes, Crimson, Akkerman, Steely San, Wes, Tull, Sabbath, Grateful Dead... the thing is a tone monster.

[@Beachbumartist]

So do you think the BroadTrons are not as good as the Pro Bucker pick ups? Which is better quality you think? Thank you as i'm going to buy a guitar and not sure if I want the Broadtron on a Gretsch g2655 or a epiphone with Pro Buckers.

[@rockalliance8815]

Good day Dylan, first of all excellent videos! Very helpful!! I've been searching for a Gretsch guitar on the affordable side and found your videos. I'm a big ACDC fan and love Malcolm Young's tone and was going to purchase this guitar, now after I heard it I was like..nah..sounds totally different from what I'm looking for. My question is, I have an EVH 5150 III 50 W 6L6 and use a Gibson Les Paul Studio, is there any way to get that sound on these? Such as changing the pickups? Or do I need a complete equipment change? Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Dylan and keep up the amazing work!! Cheers 👊😎⚡

[@angrytroll27]

Oh no not the self locking grovers!!

[@ninocarlitos5229]

so how about Fender Fidelitron then? I own one, well it doesn't sounds like filtertron but it just close IMO. Does it a gimmick too?

[@redielg]

those are actual filtertron copies. way better than the broadtrons he took out of this gretsch.

[@Jydmd]

Do you use Bourns for push-pulls too? Unless there's something I missed, they're not full size pots, does that change anything?

[@NOLNV1]

That thing looks pretty damn slick for a budget variant! Though I find it Kind of strange Gretsch would mess with their own image by putting regular PAF-style humbuckers into their guitars

[@helotaxi]

Some people like humbuckers but still want a Gretsch. Broad'Trons are still Gretsch pickups and aren't PAFs so it's not like they're totally bastardizing their product, image or whatever. And with the different scale length and pickup placement, it's still going to sound completely different than a Les Paul. It's just another option. That's like asking why Gibson would make a Les Paul with PAFs instead of P90s and vice versa.

[@LPCustom3]

Real FilterTrons are around 4K with an alnico 5 magnet that’s 1/4” thick..

[@DylanTalksTone]

we have a video on them

[@Danielson540]

This guitar is going to be soooo cool. Really hope I win.

[@killslay]

Dude's motorhome is nicer than my house 😂

[@DylanTalksTone]

lol... this IS my house

[@peterdavies5358]

If I lived in a while it would be just like my house. Couldn't do it if you were still bringing home filthy 350's.

[@SatyrProds]

Hey Dilan, what pickup height you suggest for Broadtrons in hollow body guitar?

[@jman1428]

I had a Gretsch with the broadtron pickups in it, they are not even close to a filtertron.

[@crayjackson757]

Thank god for this comment, someone should make a video on it

[@mrjasondylan]

There not supposed to be like a filtertron they tried to make it sound inbetween a single coil and a humbucker basically.

[@Abruzzo333]

That's why they're not called filtertron....and they're not trying to be filtertrons. Very simple.

[@MichaelBLive]

what is it about the new pickup that will allow volume cleanup the stock pups didn't have?

[@DylanTalksTone]

Way less resistance, less capacitance and a different frequency response

[@terryjohinke8065]

Interesting. Pity we didn't get to see the end result.

[@DylanTalksTone]

make sure you subscribe... the build is not finished yet

[@DrJeebles]

This thing was already nice by my standards, but it is going to be awesome when you are through with it. I'm excited to see the final product. If you are going to put different pots in it anyway what about coil splitting? Nevermind, I just heard you say "push/pull" is going in.

[@jaymichaels5187]

Dylan...is the magnet in that stock Broad'tron pickup an Alnico or a Ceramic magnet?

[@grilledspaghetti]

Definitely looked alnico.

[@agomezkrauss]

Buenisimo video.

[@autistichead8137]

Omg that guitar is a fake Gibson!! Oh it’s not a Gibson. You are a fake Bob Dylan. Oh just a guy named Dylan. Fake Filtertrons,? NOT filtertrons.they sound great. You are doing a huge disservice to people putting them off great pickups.

[@DylanTalksTone]

Uh... they are terrible

[@autistichead8137]

You are terrible

[@autistichead8137]

Maybe change the name of your channel to “Dylan is a deaf condescending douche.” It would at least warn people.

[@clarkbabin9799]

Was used to seeing you on a patio or in a house what happened. You think Gibson will sue Gretsch over that guitar?

[@redielg]

gretsch has been making a "jet" style single cut guitar forever, I doubt gibson would sue now. They don't own the single cut shape.

[@spottedsaint957]

A Telecaster is almost a single cut guitar and Gibson hasn't sued Fender that I know of. Although ,I believe that the Telecaster came out first before the Les Pauls (Juniors or otherwise).

[@globalnova]

The broadtrons in this are probably not that great as they are in a very cheap guitar. The BT65 Broadtrons in my MIJ PE Jet are however, very nice. You get what you pay for in this instance.