Grey Knights Codex - Full Rules Review

[@auspextactics]

CORRECTIONS: Grandmasters and Voldus also lost the ability to cast two psychic powers. Might give Librarians a bit more of a nice to get those spells in!

[@slaymarbo8713]

Voldus cant cast 3 spells. But he still can cast 2

[@Blackout7850]

Another thing you missed is that Paladins, VenDreads and Purifiers are Honored Knights so can't benefit from any buffs that key off of the Brotherhood keyword, making them quite a bit less efficient.

[@boomheadshotyeah]

Another correction: Librarian is actually ws3+ and bs3+ so thats a nerf

[@phyreztorm]

Couple more corrections. Librarians can choose from dominus and/or sanctic powers for more flexibility so purge soul isn't paladin only. Psychic channelling stratagem isn't discard lowest, it's just discard one dice so if you roll double 6 and say a 4 you can discard a 6 and not perils.

[@darrylelam256]

Ah the review I was waiting for. The way you do your reviews is simply and easy to understand. Everyone else that I saw is just flipping through the book reading. You however laid it out so nicely

[@primafacie5029]

Agreed. Always top notch analysis and reviews

[@StreamAway]

Tide of convergence + the Litany words of power + the psychic power hammerhand + Rapiers strat Deadly Efficiency + Draigo + Ancient = Anything dead. Is a lot to put into? Yes, but watching your opponent's reaction as Mortarion drops in one go would be pretty funny.

[@mrsmooth6456]

If you spend 1cp to cast a second power and use the +1A power as well then they kill Morty twice over. You only need exploding 6’s strat, words of power (in convergence) and hammer hand to kill him (with falchions, other weapons need amplification to offset the -1D). You could also get the hit rerolls from the chaplain instead of Draigo if needed with the strategem. Like you said, you would never stack everything on one unit, but being able to layer psychic buffs to push NFW’s to the point where they can kill anything in the game absolutely fits my head-canon

[@urilacambrafrias]

Shame It can't be used on Paladins, though...

[@Coveiled]

Morty will almost always turn off re-rolls. His warlord trait does so.

[@urilacambrafrias]

@@Coveiled Noup, there's a Gift of the Prognosticars that shoots a marked bolt that turns off DAEMONS aura. Fuck Morty and Bel'akor

[@j_chaos5811]

@@urilacambrafrias unfortunately Gloaming Bloat which turns off re-rolls in contagion range is not an aura :(

[@aversion7140]

Presaged Paralysis is huge for me when trying to charge my deepstriking GMDK into Ultramarines. Blocks off that broken strategems they have to have 3 things shoot at you.

[@Ninjahbutter]

Your format is the perfect way to showcase Codexes and the British accent makes all things 40k more authentic to me.

[@isamartell]

Looks to be amazing. I really like the customization with the Brotherhoods and how you can boost up your characters with the Wisdom rules. Feels like more older style games where you can tool your army up in a variety of ways. More unique armies hopefully. Now, my only thing is that they make Inquisition Elites have the Agent keyword so that you can take a them with an Inquisitor and not have it count against the army.

[@guymoron]

How in the warp does AT do this, the man is faster than a servitor working 24/7

[@okonkwojones]

He’s secretly one of the Men of Iron. Think about it: all we ever see are just slides-BECAUSE HES A robit!

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

Attending a tournament this weekend, so this information is likely to be very useful. Definitely know not to rely to heavily on anything Psychic around these chaps and to be prepared to remove handfuls of models every psychic phase. ‘Twas ever thus.

[@tomoswilliams2827]

no tournament this weekend will be using the codex. Since it comes out on Saturday. Also most tournaments have a grace period as people need to submit lists beforehand

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

@@tomoswilliams2827 I believe that's probably the case here, though it is a bit less formal (and on Sunday). Wasn't sure of the release date honestly. But still good information to have regardless.

[@tomoswilliams2827]

@@samuelharmssambamsjm269 yeh definately for all games going foward to be wary of some of the tricks the grey knights can do, as well as 1ksons. Also good luck for this weekend

[@Coveiled]

You are barely more at risk to them denying your spells than a librarian with a psychic hood.

[@samuelharmssambamsjm269]

@@Coveiled whilst no more reliable, It is harder to avoid denials with so many psykers around, and MW ignoring on a 5+, whilst subtle will make it’s presence felt over the course of a game.

[@bedwyr84]

Yey! Finally! 🍿🍿🍿🍿 *Edit* ohhhhhh losing the audio would be super frustrating! Thanks so much. Your reviews' structure, analysis and accessibility is priceless.

[@brownmims2311]

Aw, no more teleporting Land Raiders or BURNING JUSTICE

[@jamesloder8652]

You pronounced halberd correctly! This makes me happy, thumbs up haha

[@auspextactics]

Sorry, I know it's taken me a while haha :D

[@Tnkrumpets]

Hardest working lad in 40K does it again! Thank you Auspex.

[@joshuabrowncrow]

Thanks for all your work. Thanks for relating rules to each other, you do a great job of explaining how everything relates to the meta.

[@marcsilva4482]

Will you be covering the Thousand son codex next?

[@alexbrown1930]

Yes...I have a friend who wants to hear what the Dust Boots are getting..

[@thomasmacabee8361]

@@alexbrown1930 Dissapointment unfortunately...

[@Jarms48]

If GK are going to remain the only pure first-born marines, they should have gotten all the first-born vehicles. Vindicators, Predators, etc.

[@abelbabel8484]

They have never cared about those tbh, it's not their style as a chapter

[@stephanhecht3913]

I just want true scale strike squads and maybe their own unique dreads

[@Uri1991]

you forgot to menion that Librarian can get acces to Sanctic Discipline also, for a bit more of flexibility

[@fancyultrafresh3264]

Thank you for your awesome coverage of 40k news.

[@binnsi2251]

I really don't understand why they took away the standard plus one to casting for Grey knights or nerfed the amount of powers Voldus and grandmasters can cast.

[@calummcleod9791]

Just because they are all psykers doesn't mean they are the BEST psykers. And with Smite going back to normal it could be pretty op getting off a load of smites with the +1

[@revengeofoboro]

Something of note, Librarians can pick their powers from both the Dominus and/or Sanctic discipline.

[@diegobrando3430]

I’m surprised no one is talking about Blades of Victory, the trait and power are actually quite nice

[@ak_sushi4808]

A GMDK and a DK(cus they are core) can cross the board T1 w the trait. Really cool brotherhood.

[@dudebromanguy]

Tides of Celerity is more than just niche. Guaranteed 6" charge is amazing. Making anything a 100% success rate in a game of dice is powerful.

[@justususalplayer1329]

It combos well with nemesis GM with first to fray and raliers WTs, gives a solid chance for first turn charge

[@Shedgaming_40k]

I really like it , if you roll a 6 and a 1 you just made a 9 inch charge

[@urilacambrafrias]

@Auspex Tactics You missed the nerf to GM and Voldus, they all lost a cast. I think it's outrageous, specially considering that TS have stolen our +1 to cas, our WC have been increased in most cases, amd TS can field THREE psykers with 3 casts on the field AT THE SAME TIME (magnus, Ahriman and a Rahati sorcerer). Why aren't our GM able to cast two, and our chief librarian three? Most chapters can get three casts Chief librarians, and we don't? Makes no sense, specially since we don't have characters upgrade. Also the powers have been incredibly re-touched and Santic discipline it's a shadow of it's former self...

[@Coveiled]

This one is of if the biggest stings and part of why l hate this codex thematically

[@simonjackson5296]

GM has been my main competitive army for the last couple years and I think they’ll be getting shelved for anything other then crusade until some things change. They have done us dirty with this codex.

[@joshuagraham5422]

No offense but you have very strong combat, better deepstrike, 5+ against mortals and +1 to deny. Before 9th, GK had +1 to cast and TS had not. Which is silly because casting is what thousand sons are for. It's just like these two armies are somewhat mirrors to eachother. TS have better casting and better AP, GK have better combat and deny.

[@urilacambrafrias]

@@joshuagraham5422 that's all true, but having better casting is useful all the time, just like the 5++, while the deny bonus only comes into play when the enemy is a psyker army. The TS had their +6" powers, which let them use their powers from afar and benefit of their better AP, whild ours was more reliable but required shorter range. It made sense. Yeah, our melee has improved, but taking away the +1 to cast and reducing the casts from Grand Masters feels awful. And makes no sense.

[@simonjackson5296]

@@joshuagraham5422 that’s part of the issue though in an all comers situation once we get past the launch day games vs t sons plus one to deny and 5++ won’t be relevant in a lot of games where + to cast is extremely strong in psychic armies

[@dit5180]

16:50, psychic channeling gem, DISCARD ONE DIE, it is NOT the LOWEST, its important when you peril for example 6,6,4 or 1,1,4, Please like it to get this info to players :)

[@gregsmw]

@8.30 talking about the "tides of the warp" i feel you undervalue the "celerity" effect, saying its just a "more reliable" and not much else by the maths its actually quite strong, replacing 1s and 2s with 3s does a lot more then simply set the lowest you can roll to a 6, statistically the chances of rolling 7, 8 or 9 inch charges (the ones you actually WANT to try and make, you arent ever rolling 11 inch charges if you can help it) "'lower then 3 counts as 3" actually works out nearly identical to +1 on the charge BUT you then also have the minimum roll of 6, 2d6+1 while unlikely CAN fail lower rolls, 2d6 min 3 literally cant fail this means that compared to standard charges 2d6 min roll3, is both much more reliable then otherwise for low charge rolls AND a statistically huge boost for landing those cruicial "mid range" charges for example, a 9inch charge out of deepstrike has a 27% chance of being succesfull without bonuses, with the "minimum dice roll of 3" that 9 inch charge is now 39% likely to succeed, which on its own is a pretty massive boost it then ALSO has the "min 3 on advance rolls" which is a nice little ok a suppose

[@jonasandersson5838]

Its great with first to the fray wl trait, as it basicly turns it into "can you roll a5+". It's the same chance as Rolling a 7+ on 2d, so good chance with reroll

[@timheinrich3752]

If 9th edition has taught me anything...it's that people will complain about every single dex release no matter what.

[@PepsiMagt]

Yes, and they will complain even louder when their codex is not released :)

[@joshuagraham5422]

Exactly. Imagine some people calling GK and TS op x)

[@RSBurgener]

Great video! The codex sounds sensible and effective. I still refuse to believe Crowe was able to tear out Mortarion's heart. We can reenact it in-game now. Try it. See how well it works for you!

[@lucasash9992]

That was Draigo, not Crowe. And if I understand this correctly, Draigo's Warlord trait would ignore invulns, he can give his sword D4 with the Nemesis Psychic buff, and will deals additional mortals on 6s. I'd say it's within the realm of possibility he can take down Mortarion. Not certain, of course.

[@Jeeps-ye5ct]

@@lucasash9992 mortarion has still got a 2+ normal save, even 4 ap makes that a 6+ and he has a 5+ fnp and -1 damage

[@lucasash9992]

@@Jeeps-ye5ct Oh for sure! Draigo 1v1ing Mortarion is silly for the knight still, that's not a hill I'm willing to die on. Just saying that with the amount of psychic buffs, stratagems and raw base stats draigo has, it's not as ludicrous as it was in past editions.

[@something12344321]

Yewh drago cutting a name into magnuses heart is epic and deff doable with his flat 4 damage mortal wounding badass fighting prowess and ignores invuls hell yea

[@RSBurgener]

That's right, Draigo. Maybe it's possible, I just don't like it. Thought it was one of the dumber moments in the 40k universe. Squats require less suspension of disbelief!

[@erickt8184]

So is it me or was the steel heart strat written wrong? In the grey knights crusade rules terminators can gain the proven slayers battle honor which suggests that the steel heart was also meant to improve ranged attack hit rolls by 1.

[@alexanderlanier6159]

I was hoping for stratagem for turn 1 DS

[@Obi_boy]

Teleport shunt and gate... that's 2 units

[@TheMagicalPinata]

I think you are grossly underestimating that "Charge rolls of < 3 become 3". It means that ANY charge roll that includes at least 1 Six is a 9" charge. Very reliable out of deep strike/teleport, especially if the roll is changed to a 3 before you get the +1 for the warlord trait.

[@Drinkwateritsgood4u]

This isn't Thousand Sons...

[@emdee0014]

IKR

[@GorillerViller]

Hope terminators and especially paladins will get a points adjustment to be playable at some point. I think I like the codex overall but it has weird junky weaknesses and imbalances that are of putting. Edit: also wtf is this psybolt ammo doesn't turn your bolters into psy weapons bs, for such a humongous opportunity cost on a large squad it absolutely should..... aside from not making any sense.

[@ak_sushi4808]

Paladins should have master crafted stormbolters. Would be cool.

[@christiangriffiths7674]

Thanks Auspex for your amazing work!

[@lulucoco5775]

Will you give notes as for the space marines?

[@CyrodiilCome]

Just seems you're now paying CP to do things you use to do for free/ for having wargear

[@r4ureviews]

CP are just the new points upgrades.

[@Chnmmr]

Rapier... Rapier is the only brotherhood people will ever run I suspect. Lists will be Dread Knights, Draigo, Strikes and Interceptors. I firmly expect that terminators/paladins will not see competitive play just about ever. Shame.

[@mikoajkosowski1750]

Swordbearers are great for DK heavy builds. A single patrol with GMNDK and two regular NDKs offers a lot of nasty and mobile firepower.

[@bonedale]

Agree, the rules changes should have encouraged terminators, not pushed them aside

[@isamartell]

I guess if you are a lame ass meta gamer. I know that I will keep running the same style of list, which is based around Terminators and Paladins.

[@bonedale]

@@isamartell I only use terminators

[@fwwilliamson]

@@isamartell Wanna play? I could use a punching bag of an army to practice on.....your statement makes no sense. Rules change, just adapt and have fun without being cranky. Lame ass lololol better than a dumb ass

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Excellent overview. Thanks for all the hard work.

[@lazarus2331]

I have a feeling that Grey Knights Land Raiders can be a thing now. Not strictly competetive maybe. But i think a Land Raider backed up with a techmarine that heals it for 3 wounds with the relic and gives him a 4++ with this warlord trait psychic power instead of casting one. Plus of course this LR shoots at 2+ BS. Seems quite cool in my oppionion. :-D

[@saschahein6332]

My Brother will load his one with Purifiers, led by a Brother Captain. I really love the picture of that and will love to see it on the table 😁

[@thecappeningchannel515]

@@saschahein6332 8-900 points? In one vehicle?

[@saschahein6332]

@@thecappeningchannel515 In Crusade, everything is possible 😁

[@ak_sushi4808]

Tide of escalation let’s you cast lodestone multiple times which is neat. And rapiers can cast +1 attack multiple times?

[@jonasandersson5838]

In the right tide

[@wh40kev98]

Yes, escalation will let you cast a hood power again with +1 each time. Santic like HH can be cast multiple times regardless with +1 each time too. Knights of honour or whatever its called (purifers, paladins, vens cannot benefit from hood strats or powers for some stupid reason, like we're gonna go S tier or smth).

[@Funkloving]

Quick question to anyone who can answer, (I'm new to grey knights), I've seen in multiple battle reports people casting hammer hand on multiple units however mirroring the effects of smite increasing it's value by 1 each time you attempt to cast, I understand tides of escalation allows you to do that with your brotherhood spell (Symphonic Strike for instance), but what rules allows this with hammerhand? Any clarity would be much appreciated :)

[@richmcgee434]

16:20 Rather obviously, Purge Soul exists so that Paladins have access to a MW power that they don't have to share with anyone (except other Paladins, of course). The more one Sanctic power gets used the higher the WC penalties will get and the Smite has the same issue, so having many different powers available really helps. While Purge Soul is arguably a weaker choice their leadership is high enough for it to be effective against many opponents, although it would be nice if they'd been a little more generous and just made it flat 3 MW on a win. Also targetable within 12" so you aren't limited to closest, which is a real plus. Doubt it gets taken often, but it's not entirely dead weight in some army configurations - most notably a "Crowe + multiple Purifier" build that's aiming to shove in close and melt targets with MW fast. Outside of that, yeah, I expect Paladins with Purifying Flame will be more common. Second power's the real question - Hammerhand for melee murder but that doesn't mesh well with PF, +1 save for max tank, Castigation for move-shoot-move to cover ground faster. Betting Castigation + Hammerhand prove a popular combo for larger units, Castigation + PF for min size ones.

[@ak_sushi4808]

Purge soul is sick vs tau shield drones.

[@JayAndNightASMR]

Wonder if we'll see any GK in high tourney places

[@MaggieMop]

Hard to beat Admec imo, but here's hoping

[@jonasandersson5838]

They are not bad... just unsure about their place in the meta

[@MaggieMop]

@@jonasandersson5838 I payed 1 game with a excel sheet codex someone posted on redit, dreadknight sweep attacks are really cool imo, they feel great to play and are super capable

[@jonasandersson5838]

@@MaggieMop cool, do you go 1 or 2 Guns on em?

[@MaggieMop]

@@jonasandersson5838 I went Psicannon and psiilencer, I'm debating the incinerator but idk about it tbh, seems like I want the range turns out being able to cast +1 dmg on your dmg 2 sweeps makes short work of 3w infantry who knew

[@setaripantheon8801]

Man.. You are on fire!

[@jameszoeller1517]

I'm disappointed that the Grey Knights don't have access to any 'fight last' abilities in their army. That sort of debuff is generally what makes for a really strong melee force but its not all that bad. I really like their flexibility in deployment, with such an elite force it really is important that they can redeploy as the opponent is likely to be in a position to easily counter the initial deployment due to the low number of units Grey Knights field. I look forwards to dropping big chonky terminator squads from reserves as Interceptors zip and zoom around the board supported by Dread Knights. Just hope there'd be enough points left for a handful of servitors.

[@MeAndSomeRandoms]

Question about Warlord trait "First to the Fray", the part about "+1 for GK core units to charge a unit the warlord just charged" does the warlord need to successfully charge that unit or is the attempt to charge enough to trigger the +1 ?

[@SundownTE]

"charge a unit the warlord just charged" implies that the charge was successful, because if you fail the charge nothing happens

[@trophyborg]

Thank you for your time doing this video :)

[@xFatCommandox]

Nice review, AT. Grey Knights are looking pretty tough! I don't collect them myself, but it is very interesting to see what other armies are able to do these days. As I was listening to the warlord traits and relics sections, I had a thought and was curious if anyone thought it would be a good/bad idea. There are a number of relics or warlord traits not just in the GK codex but throughout 40k that suffer from being too specialized, such as ones that give you a bonus to denying the witch which would be completely wasted against T'au or Necrons or any other army that doesn't bring psykers. What if you could use your stratagems for conferring additional relics/warlord traits to units in your army reactively, AFTER you know what your opponent's army composition is? I think that if you were allowed to do that, you could potentially see a lot more use of these edge case relics that are too "high risk/high reward" in terms of who you play against and therefore see some additional variety in the game. Thoughts?

[@ironalex28]

No review of the crusade rules?

[@TodayInTheNBA27]

Can you do an army list review?

[@nicolascarlier9533]

Hello, I wanted to know if the chaplain was still a psyker and could take SM litanies. Thank you in advance.

[@robinb1416]

Yes he is a psyker, no he cannot take SM lithanies

[@nicolascarlier9533]

Thank you.

[@DidYouSeeThatTrickShots]

Can you send me a picture of the codex for the grey knights stats please.

[@ak_sushi4808]

Can the Psychic spell range increase strat effect the exactors spell?

[@lollomannu1125]

Space sorceres next yay

[@dongutierrez1709]

Can I use servant of the throne if I being targeted by a ranged attack?

[@marcarthur100]

Are u doing thosond suns codex as well

[@olafwilsing5166]

Paladins, Purifiers, and Ven Dreads have one major disadvantage. Being Honored Knights you must field Draigo to get any auras on them. As far as I remember, most aura abilities are keyed to Units, can't use Brotherhood Strats or powers. They lose quite some options with that. Though I do think that 1 purifier squad, using combat squad, in a rhino can quite hurt with their super smite. at least that makes them an interesting distraction Carnifex. So I'm sad for my 10 Paladins, Terminators as a whole seem to be overpriced right now, and Power Armour GK is the way to go. Ancients are quite interesting I do think, as with the Tide of Convergence +1A for a large Strike Squad does help to generate, especially with Silver Rapiers, a decent amount of Attacks. For Nemesis Force Weapons, let's wait for the Mathammer, but I do expect that Falchions might be really a thing of the past; unless in some very special cases, like T6 Deathguard units; Swords or Halberds will depend most likely on the opposition. T3, 5, 6 Halberds might be much more useful, against anything else Swords are the better option. Unless high invul saves come to the calculation. So things like Deathshrouds, Scarab Occult, or the like. Oh one Question: does Empyric Amplification change the Profiles on Weapons or modifies Damage suffered in the last step of Damage? I'm not sure how this interacts with the +1 Save vs. D1 abilities out there. That might make Psilencers and Falchions against specific targets quite worse.

[@dit5180]

Ven dread can use 1cp gem to reroll aura to all core in 6" and for hilmself, give lascannon 2+ to hit, you can use rerol for 1cp if you unlucky and get reroll of 1 if you dont wound. BH of swordbearers and you good with 2x vendreds and 4xDK with almost full reroll :)

[@olafwilsing5166]

@@dit5180 Well yes. But that is not the point. For instance, it is rather strange that you can field Ven Dreads, but they can't benefit from the Charge of Ancients Preserver Stratagem. Nor could in your example the 2 Ven dreads benefit from the Swordbearer BH, as they might toss out a reroll, but themself don't benefit from the possibility of +1 to hit/wound. So actually taking two normal ones is more efficient. The Ven dreads should still have their unyielding ancient rule, but the core keyword is a bit less useful on them than one should think. Well and missing part of the buffs from THE machine-heavy brotherhood is kinda... strange? I do understand to give the named characters and purifiers this, but the rest? SoB have a similar Mechanic, where it actually feels not too misplaced.

[@cristhianmlr]

What about Combat Patrol?

[@matthias8368]

Wait did it just say the Incinerator is no longer an assualt weapon? That means it now can’t advance and shoot right?

[@raphaelzorina3051]

They can be a proper shooty army now IMO...

[@rexmcgee3857]

Can psybolt ammo be used on a vehicle like a lr crusader?

[@gmradio2436]

Do you sleep?

[@toldavf1523]

double heavy incinerator is overwatch silliness

[@tyraxor49]

So, Draigo and Voldus can't be in the same detachment? I always wanted a big-ass bomb of paladins lead by both Draigo and Voldus to team up with my B. Angels, but I guess I'll have to choose between the characters, then.

[@auspextactics]

You're fine to use them both in the same detachment, Draigo can go in any :)

[@auspextactics]

He has 'Supreme Grand Master' not the Grandmaster tag I believe

[@jakobfinney]

no they can. Draigo and Crowe can be played anywhere.

[@NeverLuckyE7]

Great review!

[@fkjl4717]

I dont uderstand what means "light cover outside 12"?

[@jamesmunn576]

While shooting the Grey Knight unit within 12", the GK's do not recieve the bonus.

[@fkjl4717]

@@jamesmunn576 oh, it s serious nerf.

[@jamesmunn576]

@@fkjl4717 It is still powerful man

[@TheNarwhal85]

Why are there so many audio pops in your videos

[@captainweekend5276]

Just to clarify, are falchions +1 attack per falchion or only for dual weilding?

[@Skitch213]

Flat +1 attack regardless of how many falchions you take, as far as I'm aware.

[@captainweekend5276]

@@Skitch213 damn that sucks, even still falchions seem to be a real trap option, better at killing T3 1W infantry and not much else.

[@patriarch7237]

@@captainweekend5276 Also plague marines since they aren't affected by -1D, so the extra attack is strictly better.

[@captainweekend5276]

@@patriarch7237 swords are still +1S and AP, compared to falchions though, swords on average still pull ahead thanks to wounding on 4s rather than 5s. Force swords average 5.926 on plague marines whilst falchions only manage 4.667. The thing is against anything that isn't T3 the extra attacks aren't enough to make up for the lack of strength, AP, and damage. Falchions honestly needed more than just extra attacks to make up for the lack in damage, or should be brought up to 2 damage like the rest of the options.

[@patriarch7237]

@@captainweekend5276 Ah, I see. It looks like all GK getting extra attacks in their profiles dilutes the benefits of +1A for falchions, compared to just taking something choppier to use those attacks with. Back in the day, falchions were just obviously better.

[@RamRam.720]

is it just me or is every army seemingly getting a bunch of FNPs against mortal wounds nowadays

[@nfortin24]

I guess I'll have to wait to get my codex this weekend but losing Emperyan Domination to generate more CP is big for me.. We were a very CP hungry army before and not being able to regain those points doesn't seem great to me.

[@bartholen]

The CP hunger was mostly due to the method of gaining command points in 8th edition being stacked overwhelmingly against GK. They're now at the level everyone else is at.

[@datirishdrank9811]

Tt does feel bad having CP gen locked to a brotherhood.

[@AlexWithington]

God damn it videos like this make me wish i could get myself a damn codex but they arent shipping to nz at the moment ahhhhhhhhhhh

[@Harakiri404]

Are paladins and purifiers core?

[@datirishdrank9811]

yes

[@Harakiri404]

@@datirishdrank9811 thanks mate

[@jorgenava2021]

I need the Thousend sons

[@mellowfellow14]

Great stuff! Thanks for this

[@EdBurke37]

I am engaging with this content.

[@Nirakolov]

I do like that these guys are Firstborn puritans

[@poxous3854]

I still am amazed how a +1 to hit is a 25% damage gain...

[@Phiro-bn3tt]

+1 to hit also affect the number of wound roll, sooo i don't if it's that

[@Eniclac]

I like the GK, I play them fiercely, but... tbh. It feels a little like GW got bored and had to rush this, I half expect there to be +2 DLC books coming out the next 2 weeks with new units and rules they "forgot" that's how this book feels. also it feels like they just can't be arsed about GKs, they had to push it out fast, so they could go to their next pet project, . same with TS, which might be why they could launch both books at the same time. I'm not saying I want every book to be a party, I'm just staying it feels lazy, even the Combat Patrols feels dozy.

[@joshuagraham5422]

TS sound very fun and fluffy tbh. Not top tier but they were never a meta army as far as i know

[@primafacie5029]

Been waiting for this... :D

[@idfk1608]

Please for the love of god let the tsons codex be on par with something for once. If this is anything to go by, I'm really excited for the dusty mans.

[@orchtrien2042]

Goonhammers review places it overall a better codex than Grey Knights so when Auspex's review comes out you should be pleased than the Tsons are much stronger than they used to be.

[@idfk1608]

This...does put a smile on my face.

[@commanderagapitonev7389]

@@orchtrien2042 goon hammer does place it better, yet in batreps etc. And other reviews, Grey Knights have won nearly all of the ones I’ve seen (TTactics, TTitans wtc.)

[@orchtrien2042]

@@commanderagapitonev7389 true but Goonhammer rating was based on overall in the meta. Against each other Grey Knights are specifically designed to counter Thousand Sons gameplan as they are very strong vs Mortal Wounds and at disrupting psykers.

[@commanderagapitonev7389]

@@orchtrien2042 That’s true. I guess we need to wait for the big GTs this weekend and if anyone brings any of these two armies so we can see

[@MrRomanticGameGuy]

I want Paladins and Dreadknights with a Stormshield.

[@Tzar-TZ]

Im glad necrons dont have a command limit

[@sockmonkeyjg]

i am setting this up for listening to later, i am excited to see how this will pan over to kill team as i honestly believe the concept of grey knights was built for kill team but they havent been viable for a while

[@alexmacdonald257]

Anybody have an Ork codex yet ?

[@Nidhoggrr]

I've seen over half a dozen game of TS vs GK and the +1 to "deny" the witch is basically useless. Without the +1 to cast TS can easily deny GK spells if they want and god forbid Magnus is on the field it pretty much shuts down the psyker phase for GK. -Paladins and Termies and Leaders got annoying sideways changes that especially for the paladins makes them harder to use and keep alive. -Dreadknights are good but now you have to consider if it's worth taking them. -Grandmaster Dread is still an must if you can afford him. -Troops are the real winners in this book. -Don't understand why storm bolters don't have AP -1 when the gun fires an AP round. -The special GK grenade was just flat out removed which is annoying -Crowe lost his "Master Swordsman" trait and is a weaker psyker now -Falchion tax is still present Dreadknights are still the shittiest looking model in the game. Cannot understand why GW did not remake it. There are some really good changes to the faction but also a lot of annoying sideways shunts that didn't really change anything or missed changes, like giving paladins 4 wounds or a better invul.

[@calummcleod9791]

Love the dreadknight model. People just fall into the baby carrier trap because that's what people call it. If no one ever mentioned that I think people would like them more

[@Nidhoggrr]

@@calummcleod9791 And you're free to think that. (people call it that because it quite literally looks like a baby being carried in a front pouch) Me (and everyone I've ever known that has seen one) however think it looks fucking stupid, especially compared to all the other dread style units in both Marine, Custodes and even the Sisters.

[@bedwyr84]

What Is and Isn't Core? Apart from Dreadknights? Most concerned about Interceptors.

[@Coveiled]

"Slighty more minor changes to Voldus". Lost a whole cast. Lost casts on most of our HQs. Single psychic action monkeys, guess we don't have the dilemma of losing multiple casts for psychic secondaries any more.

[@elliottreadings8029]

Kind of disappointed with Crowe. His master swordsman ability was so badass combined essentially with his shotgun smites. He feels very vanilla grey knight now. I'm sure he's far stronger, but he's lost a bit of personality to me.

[@isiahduran2041]

Thank God they got rid of rites of banishment that was just stupid

[@ej.crusing6130]

WHERE ARE THE HAMS?!?

[@purplemagi2414]

Oh boy I can’t wait for dreadknights to lose core after a month or two.

[@MrRomanticGameGuy]

Boah not again such an Expensive Codex for nearly nothing new and old Artworks. Can the Grey Knights use the Tactical Doctrines from Space Marines and can a Squad of 3 Paladins get 1 Special Weapon or must they be 5?

[@peterfastenau9837]

Obligatory engagement comment. Not a Grey Knights player, I just think they're neat.

[@dascoop6018]

Didn’t hear much on those Grey Knight apothecaries, I may have missed it, have a time stamp to start?

[@ewandaly8572]

As a guy starting grey knights this is great but as a blood angels player this is annoying

[@Jeeps-ye5ct]

I know, I liked being able to kill them easily

[@ewandaly8572]

@@Jeeps-ye5ct it's also the fact they can get a ton of first turn charges off whilst blood angels got most of theirs taken away

[@alanrickett2537]

Look any random orc boy is tougher than C Crowe how very inline with the lore.

[@bwd8664]

Yeah I still really don't like T5 boys, it just feels wrong with marines being T4, I'd prefer just having a few more of them around.

[@Goddog777]

lol your mod H157.0 kicked me for saying "no U" to him

[@MarcinObuchowski]

Doesnt look stronger than admech so that's a plus

[@redjacc7581]

SoB rock!

[@SgtDax]

Shame that they broke the lore and don't let you sacrifice sisters of battle to get buffs vs khorne units.

[@chrisw5253]

😂😂😂

[@mitchchisholm180]

So let me get this straight a chaos sorcerer is 90 pts, same as Castellen Crowe? That's totally fair o yea not broken at all. So long and thanks for all the balance GW.

[@Sherrard50]

I wouldn't compare an 8th codex to a 9th

[@mitchchisholm180]

@@Sherrard50 but the points costs! And the only reason I'm comparing is chaos is a huge part of 40 and as of now demons and CSM are SOL over a year later.

[@Sherrard50]

@@mitchchisholm180 I'm sure it'll be much more inline once the chaos codex comes out.

[@mitchchisholm180]

@@Sherrard50 would you care to inform me as to when that will be?

[@Sherrard50]

@@mitchchisholm180 Haha how long is a piece of string?

[@christiant.6913]

One additonal faction where my Necrons have NO chance against. Not many factions left to play against as Necron :D I think i can stop playing 40k again and wait for the next Necron Codex in the next edtion

[@joshuagraham5422]

But u only have one month of playing time every three years 😄 i think it always depends what you will bring to the table. Immortals, scarabs, tomb blades, Destroyers, overlord are solid choices i think

[@christiant.6913]

@@joshuagraham5422 Yes solid versus normal Space Marine, GSC, and some other old Codics.With the tons of Mortal Wound and the ability of all new codices to wipe a big Necron Unit in one Shooting/Attack, the reaimation protocoll is now a joke which makes the necrons a fragile, bad shooting/fighting (compared to the codices), in many parts slow army which also laggs in reliable heavy shooting. The DS-1 advantage is ignored by many of the new codices/units as well. So overall compared to the late released codices the Necrons have no strengh but many weakness.

[@viewtifuljoe4412]

How have you done since the core buff to Necron units?