Grey Market Watches. What is the meaning? - A Seller's Perspective

[@markwalters1584]

This guy is so helpful, for many years. I hope he never dies.

[@Richie_P]

Grey market is definitely the way to go for high end watches. Just make sure you price in the cost of your FIRST factory servicing, since you don't get the factory warranty. I once bought a grey market watch for $1800 less than MSRP (a few months later, the manufacturer raised the MSRP by $4000, so it was a really good deal). The watch ended up needing servicing, so I had to pay $650 or so to service it through the boutique store (turns out ADs that aren't the boutique can't service it anyway) which still left me well over $1000 ahead compared to buying from an AD. The factory service came with a 2-year warranty, so now I have a warranty just like if I had bought from an AD in the first place. As long as you make sure the watch is not counterfeit, and you find out the price of factory servicing so you make sure the grey market discount is more than the servicing cost, there is little or no downside to the grey market.

[@islandwatch]

Right. It's all about the dollars and what makes you feel good.

[@acftmxman]

Marc, thank you for a great, informative video. The two best points you bring up are “Buy the Seller” and “Research”. If a buyer does both, the odds of being burned go down astronomically. And as for Long Island Watch, I will buy anything with confidence. Because, I know you stand behind what you sell.-Mark

[@islandwatch]

Right, but most buyer's do not take the 5 minutes to research and that's when it turns.

[@acftmxman]

Marc, I agree with you wholly. And I am the opposite, I do tons of research before I add to my collection. Even if it is a new piece from an AD. It’s like the SRPC91 and SRPB57 I recently picked up from you. The SRPB57 I had been researching for over a year and the SRPC91 since Seiko announced it at Baselworld. I am extremely happy with both. And buying them from a trusted seller makes it all the better.

[@kerikson88]

Marc replaced my SKX007 Sapphire Edition Super Oyster when it arrived malfunctioning out of the box. Great vendor!

[@islandwatch]

Thanks Tony.

[@efan829]

I was going to share the same story, great vendor! Replaced my watch , great service!

[@riseuplight]

We love Marc!

[@clifforddriver9434]

That explanation cleared up plenty for me. I appreciate the education. Thank you.

[@loriskim]

Great and very informative video as usual. Thank you Mark. I agree with “buy the seller first”, whatever the goods, white or grey, a good seller will take care of any issues with little to no cost to the buyer (only shipping fees most likely). I had an issue with a Sea-Gull and Mark took care of it. Excellent customer service from LongIslandWatch. I only partially agree with the “throwing away a $200 grey watch versus throwing away a $5,000 grey watch” example though. While repair cost may exceed the price of a new $200 grey watch so that the only option being to throw it away and buy a new one, I have never heard of a Manufacturer refusing to service an authentic grey watch. Sure, it will cost you. I had to pay $190 for a Tag (service) and $600 for a Zenith (repair) but I did not have to throw the watches away. Also the $600 repair cost was much less than the $2,800 savings of buying grey versus AD but it took 4 months to get it fixed by the LVMH service center. I would tend to buy cheaper watches at an AD because the savings would not cover the cost of a repair or early service.

[@MelAcme]

I just received an order from Long Island Watch, 3 Seikos, a skx007j, sarb033, snke01k1, a strapcode super oyster for the 007 and 3 nato straps, everything perfect!!! I am very picky, so i inspected everything with a jeweler magnifying glass, flawless items!!! Lightning fast delivery too. Yes you are buying the seller along with the product, I am very happy to chose Long Island Watch. Absolutely satisfied costumer!! looking forward to do business with you again. Thank you Mark you are the best!!

[@islandwatch]

Thanks so much!

[@beartenon888]

Again, an honest, straight forward explanation without judgement. Thank you for being a real mensch.

[@islandwatch]

Trying!

[@Zsolto66]

I knew what grey market was but it's been still amazing to listen to your clear explanation. You are a great teacher, Marc. Thank you! Zs

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@akstrading939]

How to buy and sell in grey market ? Can you please tell ?

[@fluffyfreak505]

Under a grand, grey market all day, over a grand, AD only. Tha ks for the video explain this man!

[@islandwatch]

Good philosophy.

[@spirg]

jared packer what if the watch is around 1100. , and I’m gonna save $300.00 ? Pls help

[@SeaquartzwatchCo]

spirg get it in a grey market, worth the savings

[@spirg]

ActSciGuy22 yep !!!! I did , got a good price w a warranty 👍🏻😊 thx

[@Konformation07]

@@SeaquartzwatchCo What about a Tissot Luxury Powermatic 80 that at an AD is 795 but Jomashop it is 475. What do you think?

[@borisrichter9457]

Hi Mark, very good video. One Remark about warranty. I bought a Omega at the "Grey"Market. I live in Europe and the seller told me that the original seller will be from Europe. Watch arrived and I have the original certificate from a AD in Italy. I live in Germany, but the warranty is for Europe. If I have a problem wich the watch: No problem, just go to an AD in Germany and I got the full warranty. So my opinion for the grey market is not loosing the warranty.

[@islandwatch]

Perfect, glad it worked out.

[@garygaray7774]

Marc you make a ton of sense when you emphasize to buy the seller. The reality is that the grey market has become so large and liquid that the sellers that I deal with (mainly in the Seybold building in Miami) are very dependable. I have bought two rolexes and a Panerai in the grey market and the sellers all typically give me their own 1-year warranty plus when I buy and I can purchase it subject to my own inspection (which I can use a trusted professional to inspect it). So, from the point of saving a good amount of money versus purchasing retail - as long as the you trust the seller and they stand behind the watch - I say go for it and save a ton of money. Of course, the opposite occurs when trying to acquire a watch that can only be obtained after spending a considerable amount of money at a retailer and then getting on a wait list. In that case you end up paying a hefty premium versus retail. For me the equation usually tends me to still prefer the grey market to actually get the watch right away and when compared to the amount usually required to spend at a retailer...the actual premium can be considerably less.

[@steventogami898]

Marc, Great topic! I have learned more about watches on this channel from you in the past 2 years of buying watches. I would buy grey market for watches not available through US AD. Seiko JDM like the SARD012 is just gorgeous for the price! I also like to wear watches that not many people have or seen.

[@islandwatch]

Right, and that's partly why the market even exists.

[@NHseacoast]

Good video. I buy an Omega list for $5000 in a store. The price from A grey market dealer for $2900. Worst case scenario the grey market dealer doesn’t honor his warranty. I send it to manufacture for service for $500-750 for a major overhaul still ahead of the game. I have original paperwork that came with it. Yes do your research. Mark you need to carry Omega.

[@tricky92x]

This... all day long.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

I don't understand the fear these watch guys have. Why the need for a two year warranty security blanket if these are supposedly heirloom quality goods that will last to be passed down for a hundred generations? What are the chances that anything will go wrong in the first two years? tiny

[@NHseacoast]

Phafanapolis these expensive watches need to be serviced every few years. I’ve gone 10-15 without, the watch will Sooner or later need service.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

NHseacoast Sure, eventually a watch movement will need to be cleaned and oiled but not until well after the warranty has expired.

[@NHseacoast]

Phafanapolis yes agreed at a $500-1000 “factory service” cost per watch depend upon the brand especially for an automatic movement watch.

[@ednammansfield8553]

Very interesting video Marc. A couple of years ago I purchased two Orient Neo 70's Panda Solar Chronograph watches via Ebay UK. The price on Ebay was £96 and both watches came boxed and with the tags and guarantee. The watches where for the Japanese market and not export models. The seller on Ebay was based in southern Ireland and the watches arrived within a week and as promised everything was boxed and had the original tags and labels with the guarantee in Japanese. They are both incredible watches and I wear them a lot, the price of each watch in Japan was labelled at 32,000 Yen so don't know much that is in UK Sterling. I think I got a good deal as I have seen one of the models on Amazon Canada with a price tag of over $300 Canadian. I assume my watches are therefore grey market watches. The seller in Ireland provided free UK delivery and there was a money back guarantee if the watch was faulty or it would be replaced with another watch.

[@Neilukuk]

198.27 Pound sterling. Good deal

[@ChristopherSmith-zk9yf]

Marc I have complete faith in you and Long Island watch. You are a stand up guy.

[@weedXD38]

Good to know!!! I find your Reviews n content Honest n unbiased, Thank you for sharing!!! :-)

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for checking them out.

[@ELY3358]

Great video once again Mark! As one user said - grey market risk on the F91w lol! The grey market is fine and really makes the horology industry move items and not become stagnant. It really comes down to the buyer and how much risk they want to take.

[@islandwatch]

Thank you

[@nrs6956]

Excellent presentation Marc. Have looked at a Heure on line from various dealers and noticed a savings of 10 - 17% less that MSRP. Substantial, but Heure as well as others over seas will not honor any warranty internationally unless purchased from a "dealer Boutique" in the selling country. So in essence you end up paying $1k or more to ensure manufacture"s service. Have bought two Russian watches that needed adjustments of whatever done here in US this entailed shipping costs plus a long repair time locally, fortunately work was/is good. So most dealers, aside from Jewelry stores in US are actually grey market, sending their units, usually over seas for warranty if any, from unknown repair workers. Some what a roll of the dice!

[@islandwatch]

Sometimes it worth it, sometimes it isn't.

[@johndoe-ep7qk]

Buy the seller. Good advice. I can hardly get gray market watch sellers to answer an email or a question, and it often feels like they "hide" the fact that they are grey market. If they're that way about general stuff, how will they be about communication during some issues with a warranty? And if they ignore you long enough you'll just go get it serviced locally, which seems to be their MO, and they won't have to honor their warranty either.

[@izayus11]

Glad to see this kind of openness. Definitely, buy the store. I have ADs I will never do business with again. I have never had an issue with gray market, since I trust that lemons are pretty rare in the major brands of Japanese and Swiss watches. Gray or AD, Ill buy from LIW as soon as I can justify ANOTHER watch purchase.

[@VenkateshmurthyVK]

Very well explained Sir, but I am still apprehensive how prices differs so much between gray and white markets. It is hard to believe warranty certificate alone jacks up prides so steeply..

[@danbel34]

Another great video Marc, thank you. You have developed a very witty viewership, just reading the comments is time well spent. Keep up the good work, thanks again.

[@islandwatch]

Thanks!

[@rmoraespinto]

Hi, Mark. Very instructive. The truth is that large and well know manufacturers find a way of selling their surpluses through the grey. I have already purchased Rolexes and Nikon cameras through excellent sellers in the US, but without the manufacturer's warranty. Cynical, or whatever you name it. That's life! BTW: will never buy the overpriced Rolexes in my life. Or Montblancs. Or no other product which lives only throught their marketing force.

[@fiatjustitiaruatclum7557]

Since grey market is closer to white, why not call it off-white?

[@islandwatch]

Love it! Alabaster

[@davidrosenblum2178]

Pewter? Titanium?

[@TjPhysicist]

i like "Beige"

[@jayqunchen]

I had just thought the word "off-white" too.

[@69fastfurious]

hi , Marc my response is goose duck tainted market ! that's why i prefer to buy from Offial Dealars like your company ! love your blue Nato Strap ! happy Hollydays

[@pilsberry]

You are so Informative. Not only pertaining to watches but in general. Thank you

[@islandwatch]

Thank you!

[@timstott7845]

Do you think not having the manufacturers guarantee / AD stamp devalues a watch even when the guarantee has run out?

[@kuperlen]

Great info and a perfect delivery, thanks Mark!

[@BrownTigerTV]

Mark, I’m talking myself into buying “Grey”. Looking to get a $2K discount off a Planet Ocean. I can take the discount as a gamble. If there are issues with the watch I can spend that $2K for Omega to fix. Is this logical thinking? Will Omega repair the watch? At my cost of course.

[@ralphcall4322]

Thanks Mark. Great education. It's more complex than I thought.

[@islandwatch]

You are welcome.

[@chrismcalister6553]

Well done Mark. You have cleared up a lot of mixed info I have gotten over the years.

[@islandwatch]

Thanks Chris.

[@thejordanflynn]

Really appreciate these videos as a beginner who just caught the watch bug.

[@freedomvan2970]

Speaking of buying the seller, Marc, you're a class act. I'll NEVER buy any watch that you sell from anyone else.

[@islandwatch]

Much appreciated, thanks.

[@SirBeauJangles]

Since Amazon UK figured in a video of yours I just watched, the skinny on them is that Amazon UK is not a Seiko approved seller. I guess that makes the Seiko stock most likely grey items. So Amazon's warranty is what you get if buying Seiko from them. A two year warranty implied. I kinda hope I don't need to find out how that shapes up....

[@kennethgibson3296]

Grey market is pretty kool I’ve met a lot good folks on the grey market and they are pretty honest they are just trying make a living like everybody else good video Marc..

[@thestig007]

Hey Mark, I have a question. I love my JDM Seiko / Citizen watches. What happens when, for example, my Seiko Tuna needs a battery change or service? Do I need to send it to Japan for service? Will the service center in US take care of me if I'm willing to pay for the services done or will they say "We don't service this watch, even though we are Seiko."

[@islandwatch]

The USA will service them.

[@slam854]

Good explanation as I was personally confused about this issue. Purchased a camera from a NYC discount dealer and later learned it "may" have been a grey market item. No issues with the camera and never needed warranty service so I won on that deal. Consider myself lucky.

[@stevenoconnell9312]

Great breakdown. Clears up a lot of questions.

[@stephaneboudreau1088]

Great explanation from a seller's perspective, makes it clear what grey market is. Keep up the good work!

[@islandwatch]

Thanks.

[@utewatchco1468]

Great info Mark. I get asked this question all the time when people are talking about shopping at Jomashop. I always reply back with "how much are you comfortable with losing if it needs service?" The next thing I do is recommend your shop. Keep up the great video's.

[@islandwatch]

Right on, perfect!

[@chrisauge6802]

Thanks for the information Marc. This subject was very confusing to me when I first started collecting watches

[@islandwatch]

Glad to help make it clear.

[@andrewsales9081]

Checked out the site looked at spinnaker and your website is near MSRP so where is the discount?

[@caseclosed2519]

love your honest perspective

[@woocoheed]

One of Marc's best videos to date

[@robinuez2926]

hi mark i like your channel we watch it a lot.. i have a question on orient watch some orient watch has made in japan, and some doesnt, it has a japan movement...whats the different of those watch?

[@islandwatch]

All Orient movements are Made in Japan. The different is some of the watches by Orient are also assembled in Japan.

[@robinuez2926]

thank you mark, were goona order a bambino white face with open heart..which one you recommend the 1st gen. or the 2nd gen?

[@mostirreverent]

I know i With Nikon, they won’t touch a gray market product even if it’s out of warranty and you just need repairs. My question is how do they know where you bought it and will they make repairs to an out of warranty watch, say for an older watch?

[@MrTranamosity]

Before buying my SeikoSKX013. I did a lot of research on sellers and prices. But really I always knew I would buy it from Long Island watches. The price is great Value let alone the peace of mind you get .Thanks Mark

[@MrTranamosity]

*Marc

[@johngreen1683]

I have two SKZs and have never been able to find parts even from the Seiko headquarters.

[@kevinc1001]

I mentioned Jomashop to a sales rep at a local jewelry store, cause I wanted to see if he could price match the watch I was thinking of getting. He tells me not to buy from them due to them not being an authorized dealer but I mentioned they have great CS and reviews. The watch in question was the Omega Planet Ocean GMT with the black and white ceramic bezel. They wanted $8k+ Jomashop was asking around $5k?

[@islandwatch]

Is 3k worth it? That's up to you.

[@kevinc1001]

Yes to be 100% honest it is that extra $3k can get me into another watch or even the repair costs if needed.

[@paulodr33]

This deserves to be in the "Watch and Learn" playlist. :D

[@islandwatch]

Thought about that. Didn't since it wasn't technical.

[@paulodr33]

Long Island Watch still very informative though. 👍👍

[@timemachineeddie1146]

Invicta gives you a 3 year warranty on your Seiko Movement in their watches. Aragon Gives you a 1 year warranty on their Seiko movements. Great Video and Thanks for sharing.

[@lexwaters909]

What about discount channels like Nordstrom, TJ Maxx, etc.?

[@Stand4Victory]

Great video Marc. So if you purchase a watch from a website and there is NOT a manufacture's warranty included, is it safe to say they would be considered a grey market seller and not an AD? That seems to be the main difference if I am understanding correctly. Awesome channel and I always look forward to everything you put up; very educational and I've learned so much from you. Thanks!

[@islandwatch]

That is a correct assumption; why would you offer a store warranty if you could get a manufacturer's warranty. Bearing the cost of warranty on the store is a large chunk of change.

[@bradmarlin6591]

Awesome info Mark. Truly appreciate your efforts to educate us all.

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for watching.

[@bubbab7792]

Great video Marc. Thank you for clearing it up and being honest and forthright. Thus why you are successful in this business. Great work ethic. 👍

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for checking out the video.

[@rbt4196]

@@islandwatch how to start this grey market watch?

[@Robert.Dickson]

The first time I heard of ‘grey import’ was when I worked for a now defunct photographic retailer here in the uk in the mid 80’s. We were selling Nikon cameras waaay cheaper than anyone else. On closer inspection, when you looked in the box there was no yellow Nikon warranty paperwork. Never had any problems.

[@islandwatch]

I bought an Olympus grey camera many years ago. Documentation was in Greek.

[@jhelwig19781]

Appreciate your integrity Mark, took some courage

[@islandwatch]

Thanks John.

[@kennyvancleave2422]

I've learned more from Marc than any other source. Side note, bought a watch from Marc that had a problem and it was taken care of asap. Couldn't ask for more.

[@michaelsdadj33]

Another great video. I can’t wait for my Laco Paderborn to arrive. For anyone that does not know Long Island Watch has great customer service.

[@islandwatch]

Thanks Mark!

[@homertalk]

I'm looking for a Hamilton Khaki Pilot Day Date watch on they grey market?

[@TopSecretVid]

Interesting facts about the Seiko SKX.. Thank you Mark!. Question though are you referring to the JDM models?

[@islandwatch]

Those as well.

[@TopSecretVid]

Long Island Watch Interesting.. Even my 7002 that I bought in '87-88?

[@bettygreene6642]

Thanks for great information. I guess I have bought a couple of watches on the grey market before I knew what it was, nothing over $500 or $800. I think both of these have been through Amazon sellers. It fits in my budget or I can use my Amazon CC or there is a payment plan with my Amazon CC. And, I don't have access to the AD (also I'm really still learning) or the model I have found on Amazon isn't available directly from the brand anymore. My real question is, if there is an extra warranty plan being sold with the watch, is it worth it to buy this extra warranty, maybe $25? For that matter, when I buy a watch from an authorized dealer, is it worth it to buy their extra warranty, maybe $100?

[@davidcoleman2463]

Walmart sells some great Seiko automatic watches . Also the Orient Bambino . Are the gray watches ? There are some great deals .

[@vorticwatchcompany]

This was a great conversation to just listen to! Thank you! Best, IC

[@islandwatch]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@jonny1904]

Another great video Marc ! Thank you ! My wristwatch check ? SKX Pepsi !!!!

[@islandwatch]

Nice! Orient Ray and UN here.

[@markplayford5836]

Always wondered where the 'grey' bit came from. Thanks Marc.

[@islandwatch]

Welcome Mark!

[@jashoo8597]

Does it means that if we get any high end jdm seiko not sold in the AD, the seiko service centre for that country will not service them or send them to Japan to be serviced even if we are willing to pay for the servicing? What about jdm seiko with international warranty

[@islandwatch]

JDM usually has a Japan warranty only. But that doesn't mean a store cannot have its own warranty.

[@IAmScottD]

Thanks Marc! Always learn good stuff from your content. Best, Scott

[@islandwatch]

Thanks Scott!

[@CtFshd1812]

Marc, thank you for this very informative video. I really applaud for being upfront and honest with the seiko SKX situation. But overall, I think this video will be a great watch(pun intended) for every watch enthusiast. Hope you don’t mind me sharing this on a facebook group.

[@islandwatch]

Thanks Benny; share away. I wouldn't publish it if I didn't want it out there.

[@alanlim6318]

these videos are amazing!

[@karlkingston811]

Excellent presentation. Thanks for the info Marc.

[@islandwatch]

Thanks Karl.

[@busdrivermike13]

Great informative video, I mainly buy grey market But from dealers I have researched, The warranty issue can be tricky but I’ve found A great watchmaker and thankfully parts are available Grey market also

[@TheDobbermn]

I think the rule of thumb on higher ticket watches is if the reduced price plus the potential cost of a service (in case there is a problem and you need to pay to have it fixed) is cheaper than buying from an AD then go for grey market. That's the way I think of it at least.

[@islandwatch]

It's a good philosophy.

[@WS-fd1pv]

Hi, the longisland waches can be delivered to UAE?

[@donp2166]

Same market dynamics in almost every industry. Good presentation.

[@islandwatch]

Absolutely. Watches are no exception.

[@islandwatch]

Absolutely. Watches are no exception.

[@donp2166]

In some pharmaceutical manufacturing, they use a digital"pedigree" to track a product to the end user.

[@MrDoggerDog]

Hey Marc, white gloves or we won't believe you... ;)

[@islandwatch]

LOL Next time!

[@rowdyron4111]

Excellent video Marc. Thanks for the clarification.

[@islandwatch]

You are welcome.

[@ggongi3141]

I bought a grey market Omega once, and would never do it again. The online store (a big, well known one at the time) did a hack job on the movement, grinding off the serial number leaving metal shavings everywhere inside the case. I only discovered this because the shavings started to migrate onto the dial face. I had to have a watchmaker clean up the seller's crappy hack job. Learned my lesson after that purchase and have only bought watches from ADs since then.

[@luayis7045]

My favorite seller that I didn't buy anything from him 😁 due to my overseas location. Thank u Marc for ur continuous valuable information.

[@islandwatch]

Welcome, and thanks!

[@ХристоР]

Do grey market retailers present serviced watches as new? Sometimes i wonder with the ridiculously low price....

[@EODHammer]

Great video. This is precisely correct and lots of people just don't get it. Jomashop is a great example. I've had great luck with them on a couple of luxury purchases and they never gave me an issue. Other people have had issues when the watch broke and had to send it back for repair. You're rolling the dice with grey market products. I would say (in my experience at least) that you're probably ok and the only issue would be if it did fail the servicing could be an issue. Reviews indicate this too for this particular store. The 3 watches I purchased from them all ran fine and still do. They will be out of warranty when I have them serviced so nothing lost. If you don't want to take a chance simply don't use grey market dealers, it could wind up being a royal PITA even though I haven't had an issue.

[@islandwatch]

You've got it right, perfect explanation.

[@brads4606]

Hey Mark. Thanks for the info. My one and only experience with one of the two “A” brand warranty companies was not good. Had a SARB033 purchased from Amazon that ceased to wind and/or beat within the warranty window. First, I had a difficult time getting a claim approved. Then, once it was approved and sent in they did nothing to service the watch except to put it on a winder over night and say “Works fine”. I’m paraphrasing a little. The watch was actually sent back with a photocopied generic form letter stating that it had been on a winder for a day and was working properly which wasn’t true. I guess my question is this. Do these companies actually have qualified technicians to work on mechanicals? Do you know anything about their triage process when a watch comes in for warranty repair? Thanks so much.

[@islandwatch]

I cannot comment, but I cannot see how a broad warranty company can work on any mechanical watch. They simply don't have the know how. They must sub it out but don't know what to look for.

[@nrs6956]

Very good points on service. How do you know the abilities of the repair people and what recourse do you have?

[@brads4606]

n Sokach - I don’t know. But as I indicated, I’m fairly confident that the case back was never removed in the process. It was a somewhat nuanced repair because it wasn’t as if the watch wouldn’t wind at all, but there was something definitely not right. The watch would just stop randomly even after regular wear AND manual winding, so it wasn’t a problem that could be diagnosed by simply placing it on a winder over night. I described the malfunction in great detail on the warranty claim form, too. So they were informed. I’m not sure I’ll buy a watch without a manufacturer warranty again. At least nothing over $150.

[@edwardb7811]

I take it that the downside of buying on the grey market is that you get a vendor warranty rather than a better warranty from the manufacturer. If the vendor either delivers the watch in excellent condition, or brings it up to excellent condition under the vendor's warranty, then future, off-warranty servicing can take place at the owner's expense, either through a watchmaker or through the factory-authorized service center. Can the factory service center find out that the watch was not bought from an AD and, if so, would it refuse service or confiscate the watch? I am looking at Omegas and the price is very much lower if not bought from an AD. Any advice would be appreciated.

[@operasinger2126]

Marc, you're very good at sharing info. Will get my watch from you tomorrow. Thanks.

[@rivaldoriyanto7072]

thanks for the video

[@ambarbenazeer8269]

such a good video helping consumers like myself BETTER understand what alot of these terms like greymarket mean, as so much get lost in translation, only leading to myths being formed

[@islandwatch]

Trying to clear the air.

[@karlroberts580]

Thanks for the explanation Mark. It will help me put across what I’m trying to do for prospective buyers. Grey does not mean fake 👍

[@dbonboard]

Thank you Mark for this video. Definitely great content. Thank you for sharing all this knowledge!

[@islandwatch]

Welcome!

[@ricktemmen6272]

The Costco return policy is legendary ... Nice video Mark

[@sealevelbear]

Another excellent video, thank you Marc!

[@islandwatch]

:)

[@mickeyx6746]

Thanks Marc! Super informative as usual!

[@islandwatch]

Many thanks.

[@giorgiamondani]

agree

[@nickc2124]

Is there any way to buy a grey market watch, and pay extra to get the manufacturer warranty? I have heard mixed opinions on this. Some say no, some say yes and they have actually paid a couple hundred extra to get the original warranty. Thoughts?

[@msmo4127]

This is very good, honest information about the subject. Personally I would only buy divers and other watches without complications from grey market, chronographs and the like need a warranty, kind of like my less than year old Autavia that's currently being serviced....

[@islandwatch]

Good method.

[@therustyspoke]

Thanks for this! Refreshing honesty.

[@islandwatch]

Welcome.

[@SoFloCichlids]

Marc, how come a lot of grey market watches seem to have many defects? A friend of mine has had defects in every watch he’s bought from JomaShop.

[@islandwatch]

Just a perception. Not the truth.

[@wademullis7377]

Is a very educational video thank you.

[@markwarren250]

so, if I understand you correctly, the grey market Seiko's that you sell, since there is no manufacture's warranty, you do not service them ---- at least for not cost as one would get with the warranty. Is that correct? Thank you.

[@islandwatch]

Everything we sell has warranty, whether it be manufacturer or our own warranty.

[@markwarren250]

thank you. that is great to know

[@walterrandon1793]

Thank you for the video on the matter

[@right2armbears685]

Great video and info Mark!

[@islandwatch]

Welcome.

[@matthewreagan2384]

I went the to Seiko boutique in Miami. After seeing some Grand Seikos, I ask them if they had a SKX013 and SKX007 they were very polite in telling me that model doesn't exist and that I must be confused with the SKX173. I guess from the A D s point of view in the USA it doesnt. Is there anywhere in the US i can see a 013 and 007 side by side?

[@islandwatch]

Nope. My online store. And the skx173 Seiko USA has discontinued.