Gri​nch's ultimatum

[@teclinsoro4523]

something about the music seems to elevate it beyond the level of a shitpost and into surrealist art instead

[@diffsnicker6570]

Trust me you'll realize this is much more than a shitpost once you watch it 50 more times

[@greengreninja5725]

@@diffsnicker6570 Straight facts.

[@ictogon]

@@diffsnicker6570 I am reanimating it right now and I definitely have watched it more than 50 times

[@carelesscamel]

@@ictogon this is the first time in forever I've seen a comment like this that promised a specific thing relating to a video,..that ACTUALLY DID WHAT WAS SAID. Nice job btw.

[@ictogon]

@@carelesscamel What about the rush e guy

[@SmileRYO]

My favorite part is how he IMMEDIATELY Grinches out. Dude gives it no thought.

[@sirchris6047]

Hey I noticed that you also watch Brian F Wanna touch tips?

[@brtbaggedmilk1963]

@@sirchris6047 💀

[@Snetzelsnetzalsnetzul]

Yea and then he immediately regrets it and starts writing if he has lost his hummanity, its so fucking funny

[@smallmailman3992]

@@Snetzelsnetzalsnetzul I don’t think so, he writes as if he really did lose his humanity. “Have I truly become a monster?” Reflects that, I guess, because he’s asking if being a grinch truly means he’s a monster.

[@yaboi7034]

He knows he will never be a sainte. Become grunch.

[@user-up1op3kz9q]

The way he dances for himself without a real audience has always cut deep for me. He’s become something that he believes is monstrous and unacceptable, but he’s still finding the motivation to put himself out there and express himself so confidently, to the point of not even caring if people like it.

[@ivan55599]

Like... Joker dancing on stairs?

[@gaetanociccolella1818]

@@ivan55599 exactly

[@mrhidie4529]

You’re insane

[@tyrmagistable]

We were always meant to like the grinch's confidence and cleverness, to identify and empathize with him. We've been the grinches the whole time, it is up to us how our hearts grow.

[@ShinerCCC]

In the original animation, the Grinch still utters a lie of mercy to a child and decides to return the Whos' gifts at the climax of the story. He exhibits redeemable qualities. This version embraces his Grinchness fully and that's why the dance is so shocking and cathartic for us to witness.

[@2782Jack]

after viewing it a few times I keep coming to the same conclusion. his flaws like his anger make him choose grinch because he knows he's not good enough to become a saint but even after becoming a monster he still retains his humanity. when he chooses to dance in spite of how other people see him, he's free. That's why it's so profound when it ends with the tale of the christmas cretin. he's only a cretin because of how he refuses to give in to despair. and when other people look at him with disdain, they become grinches themselves. Amazing what someone can do with a 2 minute animation.

[@sebman6031]

I've always thought that he never actually choose. Just as we rarely get to choose how people would Judge us

[@danielcarroll6303]

or maybe the curtains are just blue

[@sebman6031]

@@danielcarroll6303 are you proud of your feeble minded existence?

[@brycepetersen7823]

Grunch

[@mattgroening8872]

Genius

[@emmablowguns]

the emotions i felt when the grinch started dancing are indescribable

[@billylapworth]

I can't describe it either. It's something about the animation

[@Spiraler_]

lust?

[@woodlandcore2811]

TheProjectMJ same

[@rxsanders4265]

TheProjectMJ same dude

[@SnaredArrow]

It took me months to find this comment again. Thank you for this masterpiece.

[@thechristmascretin7034]

People keep saying that watching this is a yearly tradition for them, man I barely go a whole week without rewatching this banger

[@Trevor6714]

The music do be pretty bangin tho

[@jerome2smokey]

drugs are grest

[@joenuts6805]

You are The Christmas Cretin after all.

[@cocohotheatclips8264]

I cant go a day without it

[@alisyedhasany6594]

It's literally one of the most important works of art in my life. That and New Normal by Jack Stauber

[@pr0v0cative4pple]

I love the look of challenge on Santa's face right before he launches into the iconic, "ALRIGHT, BUDDY, YOU GOT TWO OPTIONS HERE."

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

“YOU CAN BE A SAINT OR YOU CAN BE A GRINCH. THOSE ARE YOUR TWO CHOICES. CHOOSE WISELY. SO WHAT’S IT GONNA BE? HUH? HUH??? A SAINT? ( _sainte_ ) OR A GRINCH? ( _grunch_ )” **Slowly fades away**

[@ion_force]

"look of challenge" is a good way to put it. The determination.

[@blindingblade]

a look of smug wisdom, knowing exactly what the man will inevitably find himself choosing

[@Sr38890xx]

the way his eyes and lips pulsate just oozes confidence

[@hearmth6618]

GIGACHAD 🎅

[@Krispy-Klips]

there's just something so comforting about "It's Claus!!!!"

[@DetrimentalDerivation]

Reminds me of the original Shin Megami Tensei; the protagonist's dog, Pascal, has a dedicated room and melancholic theme, but with only the description "Pascal the dog is here."

[@gre8000]

​@@DetrimentalDerivation shut up weab

[@user-lb3ut1hp7e]

@@DetrimentalDerivation petah the doug is here

[@sikkableeat5614]

​@@user-lb3ut1hp7ePetah our dog "Brian Griffin" is dead!!

[@somethingtheoneandonly]

mother 3

[@bocmaxima9721]

i cannot get enough of the line deliveries of "sainte" and "grunch"

[@bocmaxima9721]

Kakeru Satsuki this is pilotredsun's best work

[@bocmaxima9721]

Kakeru Satsuki and that's the tale of the christmas cretin

[@bocmaxima9721]

***** tis the season

[@tinybed]

it sounds like hank hill's voice to me lol -_- Glad u enjoy it

[@kilderok]

Oh holy shit, it does sound like Hank Hill! XD Now this video is even better

[@mono.isgtds]

This song actually is a banger i like how more people have started replying to this because it’s christmas.

[@jjhassy]

when the drums come in it hits

[@TheNPCKiller132]

Anyone know if pilotredsun put the full soundtrack up yet

[@tristanwh9466]

@@TheNPCKiller132 No but there are some reconstructions of it

[@tristanwh9466]

@@TheNPCKiller132 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmfGgIl3asSVbqs

[@roguerayquaza2547]

I especially like 0:41 And 1:31

[@SeanVito]

This is art. The whole video is a unique vibe. When grunch danced to that idm with flute i was like "damn straight. You do your thing. Life is fleeting."

[@Chezbungus]

Grunch

[@SeanVito]

@@Chezbungus yes

[@squishysquidward2507]

Grunch

[@FleshWizard69420]

Grunch

[@mxjuno1998]

glad to see im not the only one who watches this every christmas.

[@fruitsn4ck]

Lol ofc not, by now I'm sure it's tradition to a good number of ppl :)

[@iamapersonwithachannelwith4759]

Strange tradition tf

[@mxjuno1998]

@@fruitsn4ck that makes me very happy!!!!

[@helloolleh_dis]

I watch it like 100 times every day

[@dubblejumpchump]

Doesnt even need to be Christmas for me honestly. The music goes hard and the animation os captivating, i found the video on mushrooms originally and it made me geek so hard

[@thedevilgoose2482]

There are four good Grinch stories. 1. The Original Book 2. The Original Special 3. Jim Carrey's Movie 4. This

[@hudmaceachern]

There are one bad Grinch stories. 1. *unfunny minion facebook mom men company* 's Movie

[@TheKingOfNachosTM]

The four horsemen of the apocalypse

[@yuhyuh1471]

I disgusting

[@peepeepoopoovdbhxvbcc6683]

Y’all are talking like the Illumination movie was the worst grinch movie, just count your blessings that you didn’t see the snl grinch skit last year 🤮

[@curt7777777777]

Halloween is Grinch Night explores a much darker and more sinister Grinch, I think it deserves an honourable mention

[@leonderprofie123]

So what's it gonna be _H U H_ _H U H_

[@camryn156]

ᵃ ˢʰⁱᵗ ⁱⁿ ᵐʸ ᶜᵃᵗˢ ˡⁱᵗᵗᵉʳᵇᵒˣ ʷʰᵉⁿ ⁱ ʷᵃˢ ˢᵉᵛᵉⁿ

[@Jequetepeq]

hеlр мом iм sсаrеd

[@gangsterkhalid2964]

Grunch

[@riesenflugzeug]

A Saint? (sainte) Or a grinch? (grunch) **claus fades away**

[@shadysam7161]

@@camryn156 *NoOoOooo!! AAAAA*

[@shrub8644]

This is real art. AI could never create this.

[@hecklinghecker4971]

This exactly, this is why people who aren't "artists" should just make whatever they want and can, because you get genuine art like this

[@chadthundercock4806]

Yeah it could. Why do people have meltdowns over ai all the time

[@zombieseatflesh7]

@@chadthundercock4806 current ai technology can only learn from existing artworks. It is incapable of being original. There is no alternate reality where this was created completely by AI, unless it already knew about pilot red sun

[@chadthundercock4806]

@@zombieseatflesh7 It combines unoriginal inputs into a new original output

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

​@@zombieseatflesh7i mean, thats also how people work. they create based on experience and previous art. the very first rural cavemen paintings were literally just drawings of animals

[@goodmorning7358]

god that drum fill at 1:37 is just life giving

[@rayres1074]

The whole thing by about 1:07 is absolutely wild.

[@goodmorning7358]

agreed, i love this shit@@rayres1074

[@sabotabo7476]

the part after the fill makes me hum along to it and i almost cry. i don't know how he makes these beats so powerfully melancholy

[@goodmorning7358]

that's exactly how i would describe his beats. melancholic, but also nostalgic in a haunting way@@sabotabo7476

[@iamthespy9808]

Being a Grinch might seem like the “bad” one out of the two choices. We mustn’t forget that afterall, the Grinch’s heart grew three sizes after truly accepting himself. To be a saint is to be a perfect yet artificial being, a pure person, however, becoming one is a completely inhuman task, for nobody is perfect. The Grinch is a truly pure person unlike a saint, for The Grinch has had to deal with inner demons, managing to go past his self-loathing ways and accepting others and most importantly, himself, and in the process, became much more than just a “Grinch”.

[@jaredolives1578]

*Grunch

[@aroulos]

What is better: To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? -Paarthurnax

[@burritowyrm6530]

inspired my ass so hard you have no idea thank you

[@brooket8068]

When the grunch asks "have I truly become a monster?" It would seem at first that he is starting to realize that he is a monster. However, I would venture to say that he is starting to realize that he is *not* a monster. Clause said to "choose wisely" and the wise choice would seem at first to be sainte, but maybe choosing grunch does NOT make you a monster. Perhaps choosing sainte would have freed the man from his demons, but instead he chooses grunch and channels his frustration and passion into writing and dancing. The question "have I truly become a monster?" Lets us into the mind of a proud grunch; a grunch who questions the validity of his "inherit" bad nature; a grunch who dares to challenge the ultamatim given to him by a strange, detatched, unmerciful, being. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@raisinbran4989]

This is a joke video but I get it you are 14 and very deep for your age

[@ZumbieGuy]

I’ve watched this video at least once a month for three fucking years why is it so addicting

[@enemyofvirtue]

it's the music

[@usualdosage7287]

@@enemyofvirtue yah it's strangely nostalgic

[@Slammatoro]

the music i promise it's the music i need the music alone from the video

[@thegreatestfartofalltime6448]

Hey me too

[@Moon-zc4ti]

Don’t forget the sainte and grunch

[@slowginfizz]

I like how he stays true to his dancing when everyone is staring he doesn’t care he has transcended the need for approval

[@Sareza.]

The dance evoked a myriad of indescribable emotions, I truly felt that.

[@HIVEMINDxMusic]

I bet the guy who makes these looks like the most normal guy ever

[@BertranDeGato]

I checked his Tumblr. You’re right

[@matguimond92]

nope. Probably a greasey basement dweller or a neckbeard.

[@goonspoons7870]

@@matguimond92 rent free

[@matguimond92]

​@@goonspoons7870 only bums squat.

[@JamietheEmperor]

@@matguimond92 take a chill pill you punkass and get off youtube if this is what you waste your time with

[@JohnFuklaw]

The video shows that there are never genuinely two choices. Like with many times in our own lives, the protagonist is presented a false binary, and the claus, a false prophet, suggests to him that he could only be a sainte, or a grunch. Having the role of the grinch forced upon him he does not accept it as it is and instead pursues his own path, one of dance, of entertainment. He is human, and therefore radically free, capable of making any decision at any time. That is the moral I take from this, and it is one that is truly meaningful to me.

[@outerstreets608]

John Fuklaw Jesus that's deep aye

[@pizzapr2001]

However, he was given the option of choosing between sainte and grunch. If the protagonist’s intentions were truly benevolent, why would he choose grunch over sainte in the first place?

[@crustman5982]

There’s also a theme of self loathing in that he breaks his own tv and questions if being grunch is really that bad. He attempts to prove it wrong with a harmless activity by dancing but he only delves further into his self loathing by continuing to let others decide his worth since the townsfolk judge him harshly when he leaves the house and dances. But he’s also taken a step away from the self loathing by embraceing his true self and dancing anyway.

[@daugh8587]

The choice of being a sainte or a grunch is merely an illusion cast by the fact that people sometimes only see two different sides with no in-between. As if hot and cold exists but warm does not. This is why he asks himself "have I truly become a monster?" when in reality not all of his actions define him as a grunch. The way he thinks and the choices he made make him a mix of both a sainte and a grunch which is unique to him as a result of his actions and experiences. This leaves him in a state of denial, which takes him to the plaza to dance, trying to find where he fits in society. Trying to find others like him that share the same flaws, ideas, or commonalities. Not perfect like a sainte, and not evil like a grunch, he writes his own story through the choices he makes.

[@salt.6999]

ryan u there

[@zohzow]

Here’s my pothead analysis: the man is suffering from seasonal depression and then is visited by an angel who will grant 1 of 2 wishes: appeal to yourself (grunch) or appeal to others (sainte)? There's no wrong choice because ultimately the man is choosing how he will be happy. Will he get happiness from himself or from the people around him? The man chose to be a Grinch because he desires happiness from within. And when he becomes a Grinch he unlocks the shackles within him that locked away his true-self. He put those shackles there in the first place because he was convinced he needed to conceal his personality. But after the transformation he can't help but wonder: "have I truly become a monster?". The new perspective granted to him by his wish allowed him to see that he is in fact not the monster he feared he'd become. He is just himself. So then he goes into public and dances his heart out as a grand gesture of confidence and self-love. Side note: Watch this vid at 0.75x speed it actually sounds awesome

[@SixArmedSweater]

You. You get it.

[@spleespleeslacysploo]

Lol it sounds like it might've been the original play speed

[@tacitus1403]

This is the most advanced piece of philosophy in the existence of the human race

[@FleshWizard69420]

My analysis: *grumnch*

[@grimothy1184]

duuuuude

[@10n0]

Merry Christmas PRS, thanks for being a sainte

[@RexoBoi]

ya forgotti to pinnit

[@irradiatedpacific]

the only bad part of this video is that i can never see it for the first time again and hit that indescribable feeling when he starts dancing

[@MoRoKeiFrOd]

Exactly 😔

[@zoot.589]

Damn I just went through this and now the feeling is fleeting and I don't want to let go but I know I have to :(

[@julianlocileno2968]

@@toolittletoolate Vinny's Ultimatum did it for me as well

[@TreeFrogOnATree]

Greasy

[@NuclearDuckie02]

Go through it frame by frame (< and > on the keyboard) and you'll get it back

[@maxw799]

The idea of being presented with a choice and choosing the "wrong" option is an incredibly powerful message.

[@John_Smith_Dumfugg]

Have I truly become a monster?

[@8-thisboy911]

i think its better to think of it as it being neither a good or bad choice

[@TheDude8008]

I mean, what responsibilities does being a Saint bring? Is it like chosing between being a Jedi or a Sith?

[@janevane420k]

Ive thought a lot about this video and im still wondering why he chose to be a grinch, even though he tries to redeem himself later

[@8-thisboy911]

@@janevane420k he sought inner enlightenment but ended up regretting it

[@fufu9817]

It's a tradition to watch this every christmas

[@ZumbieGuy]

I’ve watched this video every year since it released, usually multiple times but I always watch on Christmas. I watched it in Iraq, I watched it in Korea, I watched it in my house and in my room. This video has a special place in my heart

[@dyskelia]

A friend just sent it to me for Christmas and I love it

[@EbonySaints]

US service member, I presume?

[@dutchmountainsnake5379]

This is a bit much to take in

[@Hyperlink1337]

your mind must be as supple as a healthy anus

[@woag2098]

I will never be able to figure out why I get so melancholic whenever the grinch starts dancing

[@SoulSukkur]

Music is probably a big part of it. Or maybe that he's indulging in the social rejection. Those are you two choices, choose wisely. So what's it gonna be, huh, huh?

[@warmination7891]

@@SoulSukkur moosik? Or sosheeal redjeksion?

[@Qwertype315]

Eithrr He is trying to see whether he will be accepted for who he is, or he is a monster that ruins christmas by going out and dancing in front of people, weirding them out and gaining the label of cretin. Probably the former, but perceived as the latter

[@axis_tilted]

Something about the synths kicking in really jostles something loose in the soul

[@patrickfrost9405]

It's because he's Toby McGuire's Spider Man.

[@genericname155]

5 years ago my buddy had all our friends over and he showed us this video, those were some of the best times of my life. I still listen to the ost of this and it’s just as short as those moments seem now, this is the most nostalgic song I’ve ever heard in my life thank you pilot red sun

[@forteOG]

i love these type of videos. it's so far out of left field but you can tell that it's the result of the creator's genuine, unfiltered ideas.

[@kuriboshoes9639]

I think that what people are missing here is that this story is about more than choosing the wrong option. I think that Grinch’s immediate transformation and later questioning of his “choice” shows that he never really made a choice at all. He was just an inherently sour person, and society, as represented by Claus, labeled him as such and put the idea in his head that if he’s not an acceptable saint, then he is just a Grinch. A monster. However, Grinch defies this idea soon after the choice is made for him. He asks himself if he is truly a monster, and even goes out and expresses himself in a harmless way in an attempt to show people that while he is no saint, The Grinch is not truly a monster either. The sad part is that despite these efforts to prove his ideas of self-identity, society still labels him as the Christmas Cretin, ending our story on an unfortunate note. Revision: Grinch’s Ultimatum is the prequel to Shrek

[@aguythatexists8318]

Yo Socrates it’s a Pilotredsun animation

[@_bleck]

@@aguythatexists8318 LOL

[@mcbaws21]

thank you for your analysis

[@hahaweedlol4933]

This is absolutely so lgbt

[@foxdiemmxx]

@@hahaweedlol4933 Heeyyyy thhatss prreetty gaay

[@gavindalf2547]

I wish I danced as good as the grunch

[@vanessamarsen7911]

Gavin McLaurin #PopplioPosse don't we all?

[@D0NU75]

this chrismas i wanted to be a grunch, all i have become was a christmas cretin

[@yeet-gy6fu]

Gavin McLaurin #PopplioPosse same

[@vol1392]

don't be a sainte, only grunch possess the moves

[@Glace1221]

Gavin McLaurin #PopplioPosse holy shit, are we just gonna ignore how Santa came out of that lit fireplace, the guy really is Satan

[@ashtonfifield1489]

Even though this is a really old video, I’m gonna offer my interpretation too lol. Although the other interpretations in these comments are quite good as well, this is just what I first thought when watching. I think it’s meant to show that there is no such thing as people who are inherently good and inherently evil. Although some people (Santa, in this case) try to portray people’s moral character as a true and rigid dichotomy, the truth is, it’s a lot more of a gray area. People have their highs, people have their lows. People do good, people do evil. People can’t be labeled good and evil because morality doesn’t come from our essence and doesn’t define us, but rather from the individual actions we make. We can see this in our “Grinch” character, who merely has a moment of rage, and wants to choose to be angry for some time, so he becomes a Grinch. However, after he cools off, he reflects “Have I truly become a monster?” because he doesn’t feel angry or evil anymore. In fact, he eventually cheers up enough to go dance and enjoy himself in public. He still appears like the Grinch, however, because people put that label on him when he had only a moment of anger. Even though his feelings and actions changed, the label stuck. But he’s not really a Grinch. That’s what looks so funny to us-a character who’s supposed to be angry all the time is dancing in delight and enjoying himself. It shows that nobody, even the Grinch, is someone who is permanently evil. I can see why the legend of Santa would be fitting to propose that being someone who acts good and bad are mutually exclusive, because he himself separates people on his list between naughty and nice.

[@AndTheStoryGoes]

I come back to this every now and then, whether it be Christmas or searching for some absurd inspiration. You, sir, have made a timeless piece.

[@Evan-gq9lu]

Man: hits tv Man:becomes grinch Grinch: hits the Quan Grinch: becomes legend

[@swiftytaco8080]

_And that's the tale of the Christmas Cretin_

[@xrippedgirljeansx9262]

God: creates dinosaurs God: destroys dinosaurs God: creates Man Man: destroys God Man: creates dinosaurs Dinosaurs: eat Man Woman: inherits the earth

[@Crigence]

He was just trying to mine his TV Dumb grass should've used an iron pickaxe

[@theconiferoust9598]

@@xrippedgirljeansx9262 Hold on to your butts.

[@shill2920]

@@xrippedgirljeansx9262 oooh boy

[@futk8751]

A man coming to terms with himself. He knows what a good person is supposed to be and he doesn't feel he fits the mold. He sits alone on Christmas with the TV he broke in front of him and considers his options. Should he aspire to be a saint or resign himself to be a grinch? Embracing despair he publicly dances; a cry for help heard by many but answered by none.

[@smokeyjoe291]

Thoroughly enjoyable

[@zarathustra1430]

Relatable

[@davebryan1890]

It do sometimes be like that

[@Alejandrocj12]

Fuck yes

[@futk8751]

@AsukaWorshiper69 I love this interpretation. Like he finally allowed himself some peace. Maybe he is a grinch but so what. It's better than living a lie.

[@Uberransy]

A grunchful tradition, merry Christmas to all of you!

[@elijahbaley5556]

Merry Grinchmas.

[@fruitsn4ck]

:)

[@smithywerbenjagermanjensen]

This video lives in my head rent free. There's no other video i feel such a strong urge to come back to every now and then.

[@SuicidalChocolateSK]

Same

[@cupofjoe3x]

Fun fact this is actually the video Joker was based off of

[@obeseperson]

What

[@Zillasucks]

It’s Claus!

[@max3784]

What

[@Plantify9339]

It's Claus!

[@Krimnorr]

It's Claus!

[@inendlesspain4724]

This guy didn't "turn" into a Grinch, he already "was" a Grinch, it's just that as soon as Santa put the idea into his head that people like him are like the Grinch, he started to see himself as one.

[@pseudoplotinus]

Spot on

[@FleshWizard69420]

*grunch

[@Prengle]

And he embraced it in the end, with the people noticing him for being unabashadly himself

[@themondei746]

You are right as hell pal

[@sabotabo7476]

i think this is actually the correct interpretation

[@JRSRLN]

This has to be the best music video on KZbin.

[@Alioramusremotus]

2000% agreed

[@makobell1702]

i am literally begging you to release the full track

[@ffzzyyzzyy]

I KEEP COMING BACK I CAN'T HELP IT AAAAA WHERE IS PILOTREDSUN EP2

[@reackizback]

love this song too

[@whambamduel]

I just listen to a loop of the voices and sfx poorly edited out and it works.

[@john1644]

@@whambamduel now you don't have to guys kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGGUh5-cqdCkj5o

[@diego5079]

@@john1644 thank you so much

[@rascle1939]

“Have I truly become a monster” That hit hard bro

[@stickafingerinit4381]

Sometimes I feel like I'm just slowly drifting myself to my own shitty demise. But maybe I deserve it anyway, idk

[@theskiesaredark]

@@stickafingerinit4381 What's the opposite of that?

[@poisenbery]

@@stickafingerinit4381 but even the Grinch was able to find something: Dancing You just haven't found your thing yet. It takes time, don't give up.

[@ItzCortana]

@@poisenbery that's true

[@Chiller07]

"Have I truly become a monster?" If you count those monstrous moves then he'd definitely become a monster

[@megafan1137]

A friend showed this to me yesterday and to call it life-changing would be a criminal understatement

[@sachumo]

Christmas wouldn't feel right if it wasn't for pilot red sun

[@garfieldandtanksyoutubecha6232]

sachumo agreed

[@MLGRACCOON]

sachumo Ayy look who I found

[@krakuf5239]

Oh boy its yoy

[@mutantmeerkat2304]

Where is this year's...

[@just-nat]

MutantMeerkat in our hearts

[@eph177]

That little whistle that starts playing at 1:31 is the cherry on top

[@lancelowery5387]

EPH it really ties the room together

[@getupoffyourgoo8045]

Recorder

[@ArtianSetS]

Sounds more like a phone dial sound to me

[@B0RGUS]

Neat tech, isnt it?

[@Spaceman68ok]

Ethan Ansell this scene is too action packed to notice it, he deserves some slack

[@DeafOnAllFronts]

This is making a comeback, the eerie melancholy of this tune calls something within, asking everyone what their ultimatum is

[@user-gorbino_by_himself]

This video it's pure nostalgia for me. I trully love it. When TV stops to work because of bad weather, man starts to break it. Santa enters his home and giving him a chose: to be a sainte, or a grunch. Man understand that he isn't saint (because of anger and bad behaviour I think) and choses to be grinch. Claus don't giving presents to him because he's an adult. Santa wants to save him from himself. He has magic powers and can help to understand man who him is at the Xmas eve. He morphs into monster. It is could mean end for him, or for a GRÜNCH. But he hasn't lost his humanity. He grabs stereo and goes to the Park Plaza and starts dancing. He has got rejected by society, but he found real happiness in loneless. He celebrate Christmas alone. The best melancholia, philosophy and nostalgia in two minute animation 10/10. Choose wisely...

[@GojiraHulisz]

"Have I truly become a monster?" I don't know why but that line goes so hard for no reason

[@mattgroening8872]

The whole video idea goes hard for no reason. A grumpy man who has the power to change who he is or unlock the personification of his true self. Instead of hiding in fear and misery, he goes out and shows off his true self, disgusting everyone but finding true happiness.

[@markusdead96]

@@Losing-it.broski it’s just a video

[@Losing-it.]

@@markusdead96 leave me alone

[@Losing-it.]

@@markusdead96 Lalalalalalalla i dont care.

[@markusdead96]

@@Losing-it. I'm coming to get you

[@vmsh9810]

I watch this video every christmas as a tradition, and trust me, it has really changed me as a person.

[@blomqf]

Same tbh

[@BiggRich95]

Same

[@MooImABunny]

*as a grunch

[@Jordanectomy]

Has it changed you in a good way, or a bad way?

[@_half]

hehehe yup ok as a G R U N C H way

[@hypernova_119]

This has essentially become a tradition for me and my little brother to watch around Christmas time.

[@Blankult]

It's that time of the year again

[@lampoilsalesman]

yup

[@EluTran]

IT'S THAT DAY ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE. THE BEST WAY TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS!

[@donaldthe4th817]

Wait are you Elu Undertale?

[@slimetime5666]

seeing that greninja on christmas got me feelin emotional

[@strebicux6174]

This has the most likes of most comments in new because he's verified

[@BrightofNight]

Why did you send me here

[@angelotrevisani860]

Thank you Elu Tran, Very Cool!

[@christianrowe8934]

Every year. It is tradition.

[@corenlavolpe6143]

Damn right.

[@marsted2]

tis the reasons for the season

[@roguerayquaza2547]

*SAINTE OR A GRUNCH?*

[@jitterrypokery1526]

Yes, it is

[@joko49perez]

666 likes

[@hamburger7243]

I have to revisit this every now and then to make sure it wasn’t a horrible nightmare I had.

[@creativeandoriginalhandle]

*dream

[@macchiato_1881]

I have made my yearly pilgrimage to this video.

[@AnalogBorer]

I still get fired up when grinch starts dancing in his leather jacket

[@spencerthegarfieldfanboy]

*christmas cretin

[@FleshWizard69420]

Grinch knows how to boogie

[@skullerton9858]

*drifter OOOOOOOHed to that*

[@sainteorgrunch5474]

Alright buddy, you have two options here. You can be a saint, or you can be a grinch. Those are your two choices. Choose wisely. So what's it gonna be, huh, HUH?? A saint (SAINTE) or a grinch (GRUNCH)?

[@kyannajk1089]

SAINTE OR GRUNCH I CANT BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY DID THIS😂😂😂😂

[@garfieldandtanksyoutubecha6232]

SAINTE OR GRUNCH probably sainte

[@Cpt_Natalia]

SAINTE

[@Pleasestoptalkingthanks]

The question is rhetorical, as it’s apparent before Claus even comes down the chimney that the man has always been a Grunch, and only upon hallucinating Santa gave him the choice, realizes his transformation. His attempts to go out and convince the community -who is already numb to his presence - that he isn’t a monster, fall flat, and we’re forced to look into ourselves and see if we’ve already made the choice between grunch and sainte ourselves.

[@andrewantretter4279]

SAINTE OR GRUNCH why do I continue to watch this

[@TheManForU]

Have I truly become a monster? 2023 Christmas

[@horrorshipwreck]

It's a yearly tradition.

[@fuckoff9182]

I love everything about this video, the music, animation, the line deliveries of "sainte" and "grunch", swear to God this channel is perfect in every way.

[@piluex2]

Dickhead Danny I love the music on this too, it fits the video really good, it gives it quite a surreal feeling

[@KaliBella]

yeah this video is awesome

[@justanormalcommenter1409]

600th like!

[@Abbafan14]

“Alright buddy here are your choices” I live idk why

[@reckydaguy2432]

This video came out 10 months ago but it feels like it's been around since the dawn of time.

[@toptenhottestbobduncanmome5495]

ReckyDaGuy what is de song name my bruda

[@theoneandonlyspook1312]

ReckyDaGuy wha whaTttttttt

[@doneandover1357]

your comment's has been around since the dawn of time

[@navazen5416]

It’s not the video that’s been since the dawn of time, it’s the question itself. Are we to hide our true nature to become an angle to satisfy those who see us as monsters, or are we to become comfortable with ourselves, and accept our flaws that others may not see as acceptable. The movement of the man shows his comfort in his dance, how he does not desire to be changed. It’s truly, a tantalizing conundrum.

[@swoshiwo]

this piece of art is so advanced that now people can only understand a fraction of whole

[@JBrander]

just visiting this video for my yearly christmas pilgrimage

[@Firebird2078]

"you either die a sainte, or live long enough to become the grunch" is my senior quote

[@calvin8464]

0:33 there is just something so mesmerizing about the "It's Claus!!!" bit

[@UoirLocer]

Especially for people who have played Mother 3

[@OnlyInDr3ams]

@@UoirLocer Now that you say it, I got some giygas vibes from it.

[@froydian9185]

Its gotta be the way the music kicks in harder as well. This is awesome.

[@chocopie1165]

Where’s Hobbes at

[@CornerOfTheOval]

KZbin search "HWD 05 Graphics Cut", youd like that aesthetic then

[@sauceboss3918]

year 7 of watching this every christmas and crying.

[@marswrld2489]

I come here every Christmas it’s a tradition

[@Housesider]

A year later and the massive reverb when he says *W H A T* still gets me every time.

[@Jackvonblood]

*W h a t*

[@FleshWizard69420]

*w h a t*

[@markwiedeman7271]

The music in this is kind of amazing

[@aFinalNote]

yea i need an extended version

[@axlrose7668]

Its what Michael McDonald should do

[@themetalmario77]

i think it's on his soundcloud

[@pettysaltblock9358]

@@themetalmario77 I didn't even know he HAD a SoundCloud. If I could I'd hug you rn

[@Nastuf]

@@themetalmario77 I haven't found it on there EDIT:I hunted it down soundcloud.com/melvinthemenace-high_noon/pilotredsun-grinchs-ultimatum

[@teddypunch]

I'm kind of enchanted by this video. It speaks to me, somewhere deep in my mind that I try not to acknowledge.

[@Vainglory100]

You can either be a saint or a grinch

[@nsombakuZambia]

sainte* grunch*

[@IvoryRune]

(Sainte) (Grunch)

[@bigh213]

Is he a grunch or sainte, on the outside he looks like a grunch but by dancing for the amusement of others is a sainte on the inside.

[@RemnantCult]

"Have I truly become a monster?" He was always a grunch but wanted to repent for his cretin ways.

[@thebigkahuna2529]

To think that a Hitachi television could push a man this far into darkness of the grunch and then for that same man to rise from the pits of despair and become a sainte on the inside where it matters. Inspirational.

[@fairfairbrooks8319]

Haigaz Tataryan I think that dancing was the grunch's way of saying "I'm sorry."

[@zimshowfan]

Here, the artist PilotRedSun presents to us a tale of morality, and whether or not it objectively exists. The unnamed man desperately attempts to get his fritzy living room television up and running. The top of the television reads "ultra high frequency box" and the barely-working television screen shows the vague figure of a man. The man on the screen is a manifestation of perfect morality, while the television itself represents the lens of absolute morality. The unnamed man wants the image to be clear, meaning that he wants to know what it means to be objectively moral. The television fails to give him a clear answer. Feeling betrayed and angry, the unnamed man attempts to destroy the taunting symbol of moral perfection. He concludes that morality will never be an easily-discernible picture by any rule of measurement, no matter how "high frequency" it is. The unnamed man is visited by Santa Clause, manifesting as God, both of whom are moral authorities in their own rights. Outraged by the unnamed man's abandonment of his moral edict, Santa offers the unnamed man a choice. He may choose to be transformed into a saint (*s a i n t e*), which is creature of pure, unrelenting moral goodness, or a grinch (*g r u n c h*), which is a creature of pure, unrelenting moral depravity. Santa leaves the unnamed man to make his decision, and the unnamed man, unable to remove himself from his divine predicament, bitterly chooses to become a grinch. Instantly his body and thoughts become flooded with hatred and poison. He takes to his journal and poses the question to himself, "Have I truly become a monster?" He takes to the streets for public consensus on the question. He dawns a leather jacket and white shirt, and styles his hair in the unmistakable manner of a juvenile delinquent, and then he dances for the bystanders. His costume represents the admittance of his new moral bankruptcy, but his dancing represents virtuous elements of the human spirit, life, grace and poetry. The whole thing is a thought-provoking piece of performance art which reiterates the question he asked himself. Has he truly become a monster? Despite his flaws, does he not have beauty inside himself as well? The people stare at him blankly. They do not know the answer his question. Soon, the Grinch himself comes to take on that same stare, as is shown in the end. His sense of self-worth and his moral status both remain uncertain.

[@fuckoff9182]

zimshowfan underrated comment

[@mtnnoonan]

I read this in Jordan Peterson's voice

[@sxlem]

Desperado TX the grunch posted this comment

[@everyonesfavorite7804]

Thank you for this comment

[@hermit_36]

zimshowfan Thank you for this in depth analysis on the video. It is greatly appreciated.

[@discofraud]

who up grinchin' it sideways

[@pon2oon]

Thanks!

[@skylineislineskylineissizeskyl]

🐐🐐

[@kj-zx1zp]

when the grinch started dancing, I felt like i was watching something I've never seen but at the same time something I've watched for an eternity

[@orbismworldbuilding8428]

This right here

[@Always_has_been]

When the despised character ascends to his truly potential and people start seeing value in him. lol

[@neszero]

seriously, without exaggeration, same. i wonder why that is

[@TheQweerdeer00]

Its a mix of the song and the odd movements that gives a sense of nostalgia. It reminds us of dreams because dreams are weird and indescribable like the music and the movement

[@Superadventurebuds]

There's a higher meaning to this I fucking know it

[@treefingers1183]

Elaine Atkinson call me stoned (because I am) but I interpreted it as him accepting who he is and owning it, letting go of inhibition.

[@markusdead96]

thats deep bruh

[@daregularperson]

It seems generally nihilistic. Begins with good and evil paradigm, but after coming to terms with being a grinch, he embraces it.

[@sleeeeeenky]

the way i see it, is that it's about committing to your decisions and making the best of the outcomes. the tv-punching man is given an ultimatum: sainte or grunch? he picks grunch, and begins to doubt his choice. but he realises he cannot go back on his decision, and instead dances and has a wild ol' time, making the best of being a grinch.

[@localspaceangel8199]

Maybe it's about acceptance of who you are and what bad decisions you did in the past, stopping carring what other people think, thus just enjoying life, like our dude dancing in the end

[@morsalty5228]

It's that time of year again

[@no-browentertainment9720]

Despite the Christmas theme, this video just embodies January for me. There’s something about the hollow melancholy of the music and the melted snow on the ground that reminds me of what comes after. This video is what comes after Christmas: nothing but snow and ice, and a memory of warmth. Pilotredsun is a visionary

[@markusdead96]

Bro how high were you when you wrote this?

[@jayminyoel7911]

Where I live, January is when the snows starts.

[@sussy6905]

@@markusdead96 basic mfs when someone tries to analyze a weird youtube video:

[@hustlened7494]

Beautifully said

[@markusdead96]

@@sussy6905 I stand by my question

[@monotoneheadphones]

Imagine Santa arriving in your house and all you do is look at him angrily and say “what?”

[@casscroute8706]

I find this moment pretty funny

[@vikperson1058]

'Tis December 25th once again, this means we get to subject ourselves to the tale of the Christmas Cretin once more...

[@unparker]

Many people have talked about this the same way I'm going to, but I'm still gonna try and describe it. This video is the closest thing to art that I've seen on the internet. It has a deep meaning to it, it has a great build-up right before the dance, and HOLY SHIT THE EMOTIONS THIS GIVES OFF ARE SO HARD TO DESCRIBE. This whole video makes me feel a mix of depression, hopelessness, and just sad emotions like that. The video is very bleak, though it's practically a work of art due to how well it's portrayed. As I mentioned before too, the build-up between the guy turning into the grinch, and between the dance is amazing. This video is so good, and it does such a good job portraying themes and emotions. It also has a fucking great soundtrack!

[@grosezero8834]

have i truly become a monster?

[@gipgip01]

By watching this video? Maybe...

[@wumpus3719]

grose zero I am the beast i worship?

[@kerryoo2]

He's a monster alright. A monster on the dance floor

[@Pooepw]

Time for the yearly ritual

[@ydk1k253]

My yearly pilgrimage

[@ineedabetterpfp2485]

I think this might be up there as one of PilotRedSun’s best videos. Definitely Top Three. In my opinion, it might even be his magnum opus.

[@averystrangeguy4378]

Honestly it's just *slightly* under Bolus for me. Just barely

[@moltenn7]

Easy #1

[@igotashake]

Undoubtably his masterpiece, honestly cannot find anything I dont like about it

[@jukmifggugghposer]

For me this is just barely beaten by Casino Night. That video just has such a surreal magic that nothing else he’s made can match.

[@licht4808]

Garfielf is better

[@SuperJonny400]

The fact that this guy has animation skill but refuses to use it makes this a true masterpiece

[@rurogliding5317]

I would love to se this guys art in a museum someday

[@mareksicinski3726]

he uses it in a different way

[@vapordreams983]

This is animation skill

[@shill2920]

"When an animation contains an error, it distracts the viewer. Thus when an animation is composed of errors, it mesmerizes the viewer." - Pilotredsun

[@dizzylimme]

Pablo Picasso was an excellent realistic artist when he was younger. He could have drawn that way if he wanted to.

[@globbo2225]

In the past week I’ve watched this video over 25 times

[@Bessux]

This is PilotRedSun's magnum opus. There's something special here that he managed to capture with this video that he hasn't been able to replicate.

[@dinghyboat]

its the music totally!

[@geroldas]

Watching this, thus completing another year. Every Christmas since I first saw it during Christmas. What a wild year it's been.

[@punishedredruby]

You're a sainte

[@sicksabre]

this shit makes me feel so melancholic like when you falling into a depression nap and when you open your eyes again 6 hours have passed and its too late for dinner now

[@CrabmanReturns]

Way too descriptive

[@dunkadumma4619]

I've been doing this alot these past few months, just get sad and tired.

[@naomilauzut92]

Jesus this is too accurate

[@Langtree]

this is genuinely one of my favorite videos, it's fun seeing how many people come to comment every December

[@bituin5908]

It’s strangely nostalgic everytime I play it

[@bug_under]

it's december once again and it's tradition to watch this.

[@blootendo]

Merry Christmas, all ye saints and grunches

[@TwoNumbahNiens]

sainte

[@holo-void]

merri christmas

[@typ0z]

I think PilotRedSun does an excellent job of posing an interesting philosophical question to us. We are quick to categorize people into saintes and grunches, and while this is a quick method of organizing people in to tidy groups of who conforms to our worldview and who doesn’t, we ultimately do ourselves and those we judge a disservice. We never learn about the complexity of a person. In turn, they become the thing society has told them to become. We see this when the grunch in the story questions if he has truly become a monster. However, in the end, he embraces his grunchhood, and dances amongst the rest of us, because through his embrace of his own inner darkness, he has learned that we are not simply grunch nor sainte... however we are all both grunch and sainte. Each and every one of us.

[@zacharytracy3797]

The most powerful pieces of philosophy xan sometomes be found in the most unexpected of places.

[@devonlucero2113]

¡SHut up neRD¡

[@pearcepackman2528]

i mean ok

[@svnyea7132]

What the absolute fuck

[@RedSteez247]

I too am in 9th grade English pre-AP