Grievous' AWFUL tactics at the Battle of Saleucami | Clone Wars Battle Breakdown

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[@IronicUser]

Hi

[@caleb4965]

EckhartsLadder yessuh

[@thebiggun6663]

Could you do a breakdown of a Warhammer battle. Perhaps Cadia?

[@thorondor1593]

Me: *sees big ships in front of little ships* Also me: Oh yeah, it's all coming together...

[@joshuaalleyne3288]

Can you do more please

[@MrPeanut624]

General, our tactical droid indicates incoming republic forces will "get bodied" by our superior firepower.

[@fireballgarcia1281]

InternetFeline straight up

[@rasgrizrevelations4145]

General- "So call for reinforcements?" Droid - "What?" G - "Look every time the tactical droid says we have a ninety percent chance of victory or victory is a assured we get beaten, so call for reinforcements and prepare a block-aid. "

[@mr_confuse]

@@rasgrizrevelations4145 facts though xD

[@MusicFan752]

@@rasgrizrevelations4145 no joke I hate those tactical droids so much, they’re just insufferably annoying.

[@rasgrizrevelations4145]

@@MusicFan752 I hate the cheap fucks that kept using them.

[@thepaladinpup2272]

"Just have the goddam ship self destruct. Collect their light sabers in space. Add them to your collection" Ah, priorities

[@daenor7807]

I’m not sure but I’d imagine any intelligent navy would have safe guards against that like an access code or something g

[@kevonho3809]

@@daenor7807 the thing is, it's his ship

[@daenor7807]

Lol I thought we were talking overall battle tactics, like from moment of engagement

[@andrewgreeb916]

Maybe, although Jedi are known to escape many circumstances and that is an expensive CIS asset

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@andrewgreeb916 I mean, if I was General Grievous I'd give up the Invisible Hand to kill Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ahsoka, and whoever-he-was-again.

[@jknetwork6211]

Grievous: You fool! I have been trained in your Star Wars tactics, by CoUnT dOoKu!

[@jknetwork6211]

ThePhantom OfNightwish thanks lol

[@Julian-pw5mv]

@ThePhantom OfNightwish I am more of a.fan of this spelling CoUNT DOOKU

[@101Phase]

Let's be perfectly honest here: trying to analyse the tactics of Clone Wars episodes is usually a pointless exercise because unless the strategy was central to the plot (an example being the battle above Ryloth), the logic of the battle will simply boil down to which side has the plot armour.

[@gokulauri]

Yup. Pretty much.

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

Plot turbolasers

[@mr_confuse]

@MX 3 Most authors aren't the brightest people

[@thatsaltyfish1960]

@Baldur I wouldn’t say that

[@Werrf1]

​@@mr_confuse It isn't that they're not bright, it's that they don't have any tactical training or, most of the time, any interest in tactics. Writers are more interested in telling a cool story than in tactics. It's unfortunate, but there you are. I do wish that series like the Clone Wars or other war-heavy stories would keep a couple of tactical consultants on staff, though...

[@Noahb20]

Using EAW mods to simulate the battle is a fantastic idea for this series

[@ingridmace2530]

I completely agree, it's a great idea

[@wyattflee]

Agreed

[@MaxDaCappy]

Amazing idea do this please

[@Ataurion]

Yes

[@Mattsimilate]

What is EAW?

[@MaximilianoAedo]

I always find it irritating that NEITHER SIDE launched any fighters during the battle.

[@mihajlo961x]

Do you know if either of the CIS ship-types carried fighters? I'm pretty sure Munificents didn't.

[@punctuationman334]

Michael J. Oghia Vulture droids can latch on to munificents, but not in large numbers. Grievous’s recusant also has a hangar which can carry fighters.

[@mihajlo961x]

@@punctuationman334 makes sense!

[@DerAnanasKing]

maybe the author forgot fighters exist. thats not too unrelaistic. sometimes the individual authors, ignore the rules of the universe for it to fit the narrative.

[@RichardHunslet1963]

They must have been on a budget.

[@Iamafafr]

*2003 Grievous:* Unstoppable General, tactical genius and an exceptional Jedi killer who have succeeded in besting many Jedi Padawans, Knights and even Masters, with clever use of fear tactics and the use of unorthodox Sith training provided by Count Dooku himself. *Canon Grievous:* Electric fan

[@germanscience7246]

what're you trying to say about electric fans?

[@UnlimitedFlyers]

Tartakovsky's micro-series was much better than anything Disney can output. This is the guy behind Samurai Jack, after all.

[@101Mant]

@@UnlimitedFlyers but both Clone Wars were made under Lucas. Generally I prefer the Clone Wars characters to other versions, particularly prequel movies, but Grevious got the shaft compared to the 2003 version.

[@UnlimitedFlyers]

The 2003 version is just a whole different animal. It was made to fill in some of the gap between the outbreak of the Clone Wars, all the way to the surprise attack on Coruscant, fleshing out in vivid detail how the Jedi were caught off-guard and Grievous just outsmarted and overpowered them. Compared to that, the Disney Clone Wars is exactly that: _DISNEY_ . It's almost on Kingdom Hearts-level of cartoony, cardboard villains and heroics that save the day through the power of love and friendship.

[@Gghddssxfyy]

Like a Leaf in the Wind It wasn’t Disney bro

[@mihajlo961x]

5:55 - See, the problem is that Obi-wan's Arquitens had an incredibly unique and rare form of armor: plot armor.

[@177SCmaro]

I wouldn't say it was rare or unique. This kind of stuff happenes all the time in Star Wars space battles.

[@mihajlo961x]

@@177SCmaro it's sarcasm mate

[@177SCmaro]

@@mihajlo961x So was I and so is this comment.

[@Xozkov]

@@177SCmaro 😐

[@invictus6176]

@@177SCmaro 😐

[@Matt-cz6ti]

The inconsistencies around Grievous are very jarring. One minute he's a badass who's personally slaughtered dozens of Jedi Knights, the next he's losing one-on-one lightsaber duels to Padawans. One day he's the best strategic mind the CIS have, pulling Alexandrian battle tactics out of nowhere, the next he's an idiot who couldn't organise a drinking session in a brewery. I wish creators would make their mind up as to whether's he's awesome or pathetic

[@kofola9145]

I think it is the conundrum between "He is a military genius, which implies being able to win" and "but he is a villain and therefore has to lose." If you need him to lose, have him fight against impossible odds. That way he can lose and be hailed as a military genius for inflicting disproportionate losses.

[@kofola9145]

@Joshua Sharwood If you know what you are doing. That is the problem.

[@ExecutiveSonda]

What duel did he lose to a padawan? Every fight between Ahsoka and Grievous resulted in her ass being kicked and forced to escape.

[@alphacommander428]

the biggest problem in the clone wars will always be plot armor

[@Dominion69420]

The solution is what they did with Thrawn: Give him shitty subordinates, so him losing wasnt his fault

[@nicholaswong6737]

“Cody punched Grievous in the face” the madlad doesn’t get enough credit.

[@bickenwings1350]

No Clone Ever Does XD

[@youssefelshenawi8508]

@@bickenwings1350 wait but it's not Cody, the arms don't match up

[@chaospilot2142]

A other clone tried it with a droid, broke his hand and got blasted dead...

[@commanderpondscc-4112]

@@youssefelshenawi8508 tf u talkin bout?

[@picrigg1913]

@@commanderpondscc-4112forget his name but he was circled by b2s and b1s punched one and got shot dead

[@ESFNinja]

Grievous failed to consider one thing during the battle: He could never overcome the high ground.

[@eternal5930]

Obi Wan doesnt like flying because there is no high ground in space

[@loweexpectations3222]

watchyourlanguage your profile pick is absolutely golden

[@purplespeckledappleeater8738]

Oh, burn! Sorry Vader.

[@pedrokantor3997]

Obi-Wan does not only overcome the high ground once, but twice with both Grievous and Maul.

[@theshakter]

He was to busy getting lightsabres for his fine collection

[@loweexpectations3222]

Grievous in 2003: A tactical mastermind and unstoppable killing machine. Grievous in the clone wars: whoops there goes my fleet

[@stevesteve88]

Right

[@ltb1345]

Plot armor.

[@matthewkuchinski1769]

And, we do not see a capable commander in the Clone Wars for the CIS until Admiral Trench comes along.

[@Turbulation1]

I mean he wasn’t really commanding fleet battles in the 2003 clone wars.

[@mariano98ify]

Lowe Expectations he wasnt any tactical mastermind in the 2003 show, stop lying yourself but indeed he was a killing machine and Rasputin the biggest Russian sex machine

[@panzerschiff9805]

Grievous is an interesting character. He claims (and seems) to be a fairly competent Military leader (maybe even one of the best). But his downfall are his crippling obsessions. He desperately wants to kill Jedi in 1v1's (with limited success and only winning by cheating). If he had taken the more aggressive and attacked the Venators+ Escorts, he could've easily beaten the entire fleet, Kenobi and Anakin included.

[@priscyllathewitch298]

The problem is he usually faces plot armour in the show. How many of his fights are between him and Kenobi or Ahsoka, for instance? As far as cheating goes, you can see a very clear pattern in most of his cheating, that being that it always happens after the force is used against him. As far as strategy and tactics go, clearly he's great at what he does to even have his position, but obsession and overconfidence are his primary character flaws. Canon Grievous clearly isn't as effective as Legends Grievous, but no Canon character is as good as their Legends counterpart. But Grievous being incompetent is a gross over-exaggeration, probably only there because of his 2003 debut. But you don't see anyone saying Canon Windu is bad because he can't punch Super Battle Droids to death. Maul's got the same flaw of obsession, but it rarely hinders him to the same degree because the writers went out of their way to try and make him as cool as possible to the point his flaws mean nothing. Like, Maul being a competent leader is counter to his characterization prior to The Clone Wars, but of course he becomes the competent leader of a group of thugs and then Mandalorians, the "cool soldiers" of Star Wars. Stuff like that. But the presence of Grievous' flaws actually meaning anything is a reason that 'Grievous is a Hero' meme account exists.

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

That reminds me of the Clone Wars Volume 1 and 2. Shown how much of a badass he was without turning him into an electric fan.

[@nfldend501]

He looked at it as kill the Jedi end the war. He could have easily overcome a clone lead military or any standard issue military his only challenge was Jedi

[@101Mant]

@@nfldend501 except the Jedi were not particularly good leaders. Why would they be Jedi training prior to the clone wars had nothing to do with military tactics, they were peacekeepers at that point. Just look how often they are the senior commanders but are fighting in the front lines, that's a terrible place for them to be as they have no tactical overview and no way to actually control the battle and respond to what is happening outside their immediate vicinity. Then the tactics they employ frequently consist of heaving infantry advance across open ground under fire despite clones being a valuable resource.

[@punctuationman334]

Scylleviathan how was maul set up to be a bad leader in the phantom menace? We barely learn anything about him besides he’s a great warrior, and it makes a great story in TWC.

[@overtbias9305]

2:56 Your inability to launch fighters was a colossal failure. Nay, it was heresy!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

But he was right to focus his attention on The Flood!

[@ciaran..G]

@@fuzzydunlop7928 But your inability to protect eeth koth was a collosal failure!

[@jediarchives7826]

It's great to see Battle Breakdown return, it was my favorite series back in the day, and I think the addition of footage from Fall of the Republic, especially at the end, was a neat touch!

[@mihajlo961x]

Likewise! Keep it up Ecks :)

[@akumaking1]

I think that in general (ha!) Grievous was following orders to sow chaos and keep the Jedi running around. Geetsly stated Grievous' biggest strength was more about logistics.

[@sunnex474]

”you know what, just make the goddamn ship self-destruct” Eckhart’ladder 2020

[@DoctorLoudonclear]

Grievous was a truly brilliant commander, it was only because Mr. Senate was controlling the War and Count Dooku that Grievous was limited to having to carry out tactics that made no sense. When he was allowed to let his true military genuine shine, he was practically unbeatable! Edit: Also, this is The Clone Wars, and while I like probably everyone here loves the show, I was pretty disappointed by the fact that they turned Grievous from the terrifying monster he was in Legends into your weekly Saturday cartoon villain.

[@tagomisan2865]

Amen to that

[@James-pt2vk]

As one of the biggest grievous fans going tcw completely butchered him. The only similarity he had to his eu depiction was the appearance. Tcw fundamentally changed everything else about him even down to his origin

[@patrickmaybe2197]

Ah yes the prequels fans favorite excuse to all criticisms: “it was all Palpatine’s plan!”

[@MagicSpud]

Last time I was this early, Grievous had yet to start his lightsaber collection.

[@thedynamicdoggo4155]

Last time I was this early, mace hadn’t flown out the windu

[@thedynamicdoggo4155]

Borni Ekellem oh ok

[@spartangoku7610]

Borni Ekellem out of the windu?

[@spartangoku7610]

Max Smith wheeeeee!

[@nickevans7116]

The Dynamic Doggo lol

[@armageddonarmada6869]

I’m surprised that Grievous’s dreadnought had an escort in the first place (Referring to Bismark, malevolence)

[@marrqi7wini54]

At least he's learning...

[@ceilyurie856]

DS-! Orbital Battle Station: "Wait, you got escorts?"

[@gdspathe1130]

Bismarck did get an escort tho...

[@armageddonarmada6869]

GDS Pathe yeah it did but later Prince Eugen left bismark half way the journey

[@ninofromkitchennightmares1497]

the Malevolence had very very good maneuverability And the ION cannon which exploits this as being able to target almost anything having an escort would just get in the way

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

6:20 ; One error with that statement Eck. I think you may have forgot that the large dorsal hanger bay doors arn't the only way for fighters to exit the venators; There're also two side hanger bay doors of decent size which have been seen/used throughout the clone wars, a hanger bay door on the bow as seen on the Battlefront II 2017 GA Kashyyyk map, and a ventral hanger bay seen used in S1E14. All but the bow are well protected and together can still launch more fights than their munificents counterparts. Other, quite the excellent battle breakdown per usual. Hope your voice continues to recover.

[@thenightman7879]

Your right in your point that it can launch fighters from the starboard and port hangars but (And im bringing this up using a reference to Battlefront II) if you recall from those maps those hangars are decently big but still fairly small. only able to hold i'd guess around 10 star fighters or so in total so using both of them that gives you 20 maybe 30 if some are held in reserve suspended over the rest of them on cranes. on the other hand the dorsal hangar can hold over 3X that amount so it would be more logical to use that one over the side ones. Regardless its a good point none the less and i was thinking about it too.

[@ardransack9805]

@@thenightman7879 yes but if i remember correctly the ventral hangar is connected to the larger one with the colossal doors so all the fighters can come this way

[@moviemaker2011z]

Isn't there also a hammer door that allows the ships to go our underneath it as well?

[@flickinggamer]

There is a reason his name is GENERAL Grievious and not ADMIRAL Grievious.

[@kofola9145]

Oops.

[@punctuationman334]

General sounds cooler than admiral.

[@mr_confuse]

@@punctuationman334 Is that a joke?

[@f.palmero5010]

He did launch fighters. They all waited in the hangar armed, and ready. With no ships.

[@kasinokaiser1319]

"Have a droid impersonate you" Grievous: *>:(*

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

Grevious won't allow that

[@bubbagump4261]

I approve of you proving your tactics through the use of empire at war, hope we can see more of such in later battle videos

[@maximosmausten7668]

As much as I love grievous and how awesome he is, the clone wars really tarnished his reputation, in the EU/legends, as well as Canon comics, the revenge of the sith novel paint him as this almost undefeatable force that has a great tactical mind, but in this show he is portrayed as a almost incompetent mustache twirling villain. Despite the many great and amazing things that Dave filloni was able to accomplish with this show, I feel like he almost had it in for grievous.

[@James-pt2vk]

he does, season 7 of tcw he couldnt resist sticking the knife in one last time with filloni cutting out coruscant which was the one time he couldnt butcher grievous as well as having the narrator refer to him as a droid. His one good showing in the whole of tcw is dathomir and he still gets bodied by ventress which is somebody he curb stomped in 1v2 being him against ventress and durge. Every single character is better because of the clone wars except grievous who gets completely decimated by it.

[@zakai-kaz]

I'm still so mad he got bodied by gungans fucking gungans

[@jirdan4870]

Grievous was always said to be an amazing strategist, warrior and tactician, but honestly the new Clone Wars did him REALLY dirty.

[@islesofalbion2561]

Love that you mentioned Grevious getting a Clone-shaped haymaker at 4:00 with a chuckle, which it rightfully deserves. I don't think it is Cody that hits him, though. The pattern on the armour is different on the forearm, meaning that Grevious got clocked in the...jaw(?) by an unnamed clone trooper, which is 1000 times better!

[@lovenerds6184]

General grievous isn’t stupid The reason he lost is because a plot armor

[@rylan2314]

Priscilla Joseph facts

[@TechnoMinarchist]

You can't defeat plot armour. It's level 12.

[@lovenerds6184]

Jacen Solo no it is level 999999999999999999999999

[@TechnoMinarchist]

@@lovenerds6184 lol. It was a reference to the lvl 12 spell in D&D that lets its user replace a god of their choosing with themselves.

[@lovenerds6184]

Jacen Solo I don’t play d and d

[@ruthlessrubberducky5729]

4:00 Imagine being able to say that you punched general grievous in the face and lived.

[@jonahbreen8512]

THANK GOD THESE ARE BACK!!! This is probably my favorite content on your channel

[@highlyopinionated5611]

Obi-wan: "You can not win, Grievous. I have Plot Armor,.. ah, I mean, I have the High Ground."

[@michaelscalese3142]

The Venator has like 4 hangars... One on each port and starboard. One of the bottom (which isnt a fighter hangar but its there. Then the huge hangar on the top. The 3 main hangers are all connected.

[@phantomactual8916]

Actually, I'm fairly certain all four are. I know for a fact the dorsal bay and the ventral launch bay are connected, we see that when one drops off Gungan reinforcements on Mon Cala(the Gungans drop from the main landing bay out the ventral docking bay through a door at the top, though this may have been a later modification), but I didn't know the flank hangars were connected

[@darthnerd4432]

@@phantomactual8916 well I think it was via direct hallways rather than places to move fighters.

[@liker-qd4fz]

Droid: general! We are attacked from every side! Grevous : Shut up,im reading ,,How 2 battle 101 4 dummiez".

[@legostar00]

8:41 just self destruct I choked on my water I’m dead lmao 😂😂

[@zebfirehd9102]

wouldn't the lightsabers also be destroy like they aren't indestructible.

[@Chisszaru]

The thing i finds funny is that Eck said that Greivous could blow up his command ship, which would kill all of the 4 jedi and then collect their lightsabers. It's even funnier that if he had used that tactic, then there wouldn't be any Darth Vader and Count Dooku would still be alive. Palpatine would be like: Why did you blow my future sith apprentice killed?

[@Charlie-xc1bt]

Books and OG Clone Wars Grievous was an amazing tactician and fighter. He was nearly able to get away with kidnapping Palpatine, his armies destroyed countless worlds, and he killed so many damn Jedi.

[@alecotte3560]

I love that you started recreating these battles on empire at war!

[@nicknak04]

6:34 Hangers so unseen we’re not even sure where they are too! Like as far as we can tell they’re on the long connecting structures

[@chrissonofpear1384]

The Recusant has one on the forward hull flanks. The Munificent one is in keel, possibly rear facing.

[@nicknak04]

chris sonofpear1 I think I remember something about how the munificent had more fighters so the recusant was made with more troop capacity

[@cameronmoney5660]

Also eck lives *stomps feet*

[@shadekerensky3691]

I have to say that I love how Dave Filoni apparently loves to have space battles that have like four ships on each side, when the Republic comics and even the 2003 series had dozens of ships up to hundreds in the case of the Battle of Coruscant and Hell, the movies had more ships in their space battles.

[@godji9396]

True, but the galaxy isn't 2-3 planets. They can't concentrate everything in one battle. Also, if they wanted they could've waited for support, but by then Grievous could've escaped. Meanwhile a battle for the capital will obviously involve enormous forces, even more with the chancellor at stake.

[@shadekerensky3691]

@@godji9396 Even so, a battle will incorporate far more than three capital ships and four smaller ships, this is something you'd expect out of a skirmish. A battle would, standardly, incorporate from 6-9 capital warships supported by a larger number of support vessels such as Carrack-class cruisers, Dreadnought-class Cruisers, Republic Attack Corvettes (a Consular with a more trapezoidal bow section armed with laser cannons and concussion missiles, Acclamator carrier variants, etc. And you can bet that the CIS wouldn't leave a super-capital warship like the Recuscant Dreadnought (which makes no sense, by the by, considering it's basically saying that they turned a bloody support destroyer into a dreadnought somehow) supported by only three frigates and no other smaller vessels.

[@ExecutiveSonda]

@@shadekerensky3691 Bismarck was supposed to raid British shipping with 3 other ships, lol. There is no set limit on how many ships fight over control of an insignificant planet.

[@Ech0Chamber]

As much as I admire Girevous, I can only give a defeated sigh hearing the dismantling of his tragic tactics.

[@neilmendrico5262]

I love this new style of battle breakdown your battle blueprints + actual scene/gameplay of the battle is visually amazing keep doing more sir eck.

[@tilltronje1623]

FINALLY another battle breakdown!!!! I have waited so long for this

[@terahgon]

Last time I was this early, the Chancellor considered it Treason.

[@jerec1267]

Did you mean the senate?

[@zakai-kaz]

@@jerec1267 he is the senate

[@polarisbear7468]

@@zakai-kaz not yet

[@SlvrWolfman]

They are back!! I loved these battle breakdowns that he did earlier on! Keep them coming!

[@alexnieman5491]

Keep this series going! By far one of my favorite KZbin series.

[@Spirit_Yoshino]

I really love how you use the game to show off the battle. That was really awesome

[@adamkaralexis2510]

This is a really cool way to do a tactics video, actually seeing the battle from a different point of view was awesome

[@PanvelTyrell]

I love the idea of Grievous getting fed up with losing and just straight up blowing Obi Wan out of the sky. And Eck's complete frustration with Grievous' incompetence must be how Palpatine felt for most of the clone wars. Oh, btw, using Empire at War mods to simulate the bettle is pretty cool

[@elusivei998]

I've always found it interesting in the Clone Wars that Venators seem to have trouble fighting Munificents especially when it is a 1:1 ratio. I understand when it's a 2:1 or 3:1 but even then the Venators should be able to tank hits for a little bit

[@kumardias9348]

Yes awesome, would love more clone wars battle breakdowns. Adding footage from the Fotr mod gave a really nice visual representation of how those scenario's would go down.

[@adammullarkey4996]

2:50 To be fair, he may have been expecting an attack, but that doesn't mean he knew exactly when it would take place. Thus, there was no reason to launch the short-ranged Vulture droids until the Republic force arrived. I know, it doesn't excuse him not launching the fighters immediately after the Republic fleet dropped out of hyperspace, but it does at least give him an excuse for not deploying them before the start of the battle (since launching them early would just be a waste of fuel).

[@macadder1177]

Yay more battle breakdowns! I’m glad your voice is a bit better!

[@ArchangelApollo]

The moment you mentioned the hanger doors as a vulnerability I started thinking about a minor redesign. The first would be to add 20-25 point defense turrets on the edge of the dorsal side to protect ships as the leave and enter the hanger from enemy fighters. The second would be to add 2, preferably 3, layers of ablative hull armor on the ventral side. Third would be 20-25 turbo lasers on the ventral side. Fourth, adjust the primary attack angle when attacking head on to 15-20 degrees so the ablative armored ventral side is taking the hits, exposing the enemy to additional firepower, and protecting ships entering and exiting from turbolaser fire until they have decent maneuvering room.

[@Roboguy48]

Please keep doing these fall of the republic mod examples for future videos. This is brilliant

[@onyxstark9223]

Great job as always Eck! I do, however, have points as far as the Venators go: They didn't just have the ONE hangar opening, having port, starboard, and ventral hangar access. They also could have made swiss cheese of the Munificent frigates with full power to the weapons and shields, and heavily damage the Recusant's shields with their pinpoint accuracy (which you said they have mind you). On the other hand, Grievous doing what he did was actually smart in the beginning, trying to lure the Republic into attacking his fleet, though that isn't what happened, as the Venators have superior range to all the CIS ships (ten-light minutes or 1.799 X 10^8 [179,875,474.8] kilometers at maximum range).

[@thenightman7879]

Regarding your point about at 6:23 about the C.I.S putting pressure on the three Venator's Hangars i totally agree with that tactic. Also like you pointed out (And this is just my opinion.) I've always found the Venator's larger hangar to be a critical weak point on the ship as much as it is a invaluable strength. While not as vulnerable as the hangars located on its starboard and port flanks the forward hangar has two critical weak points: Point number 1 being (Facing). while the forward placement of the hangar allows fighters to be deployed incredibly quickly if the timing on the launch is wrong the entire squadron of fighters exiting can be bombarded with Turbolaser fire as they slowly rise out of the ship's hangar. As far as i can see there cannot be a deflector shield in place while the craft are launching so an enemy ship be it a cruiser or even a corvette has a straight shot right inside one of the Ship's most vital aspects. Point number 2 Id like to discuss is the size of the hangar. like with the first point this can be considered a strength allowing the Carrier to have a larger compliment of star-fighter's but the hangar is so large that it reaches almost straight back to the base of the bridge structure. If a very powerful weapon was to strike the back section of the hangar it could theoretically sever the bridge structure from the rest of the Star Destroyer. And those two points along with other faults like the primary weapons placement and hyper exposed bridge structure always make me second guess why it was used for so long in such an inappropriate role. I know that the Venator was designed to be a carrier, and I know that it was only near the end of the clone wars (Thanks to Palpatine wanting to drag the war out.) that the republic finally got better front-line ships. Even so. I find it strange that the Jedi. (wanting to save lives more than anything.) Didn't petition the senate for the funds or G.A.R command earlier in the war to either: Retrofit the Venator for a more wide role, or design a similar ship for a more (Battle cruiser/battleship) Role. Regardless awesome video. I love the effort put in and i always love seeing you talk about these battles strategically It really makes me think about how things would've played out if the faction in question used different tactics at specific battles.

[@shankarban1135]

Me when I hear what Eck says at 8:24 : Wait, that's something Thrawn would do. So, Eckharts Ladder is basically the Thrawn of our universe...

[@rumor-936]

I personally would have had a few vulture droids attached to the munificent classes, maybe even replaced the recusant with a providence instead. Sure I'd lose firepower but I'd gain much more fighters and bombers. I'd also keep my flagship pulled back a bit, call it cowardly but I'd rather not be at the front of the fleet where I could die first. Many people underestimate the power of a successful bombing run. Hell I would have had a lucrehulk as well, if I had a Jedi Master captive and knew another Jedi strike force were coming I'd make sure to cripple them even further. Imagine taking out General Kenobi and Skywalker, both great strategic and lethal minds.

[@chengzhou8711]

“Grevious’ disadvantage was his lack of organization at the start, due to the fact that his forces were scattered and he could not organize, he became cornered, and could not maintain any semblance of good supply, since he usually has logistical support from droids and support ships. His escape was due to a critical misstep on our side, but our side won the battle and destroyed his force. I think if our side had another reconnaissance or patrol detachment, they would’ve found him faster. I’ve studied this exact battle for the event I would ever encountered him, and I’ve never encountered him. I’m a lucky clone, aren’t I?” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@Frizzleman]

I really like the demonstration at the end that’s really cool and unique, can’t wait for more

[@nathanielreichley4640]

I found the Pong Krell arc compelling for its moral dilemmas and character development, but it would be interesting to see what proper strategy should have been used instead of Krell's sabotage. #askeck

[@yardhunter4209]

Fantastic. Finally another Battle Breakdown!!

[@antonioabreu5736]

Thank you for a Battle Breakdown. Awesome!

[@GrimSix]

I love how grievous commanded every type of ships, but couldn't hold them, they all got destroyed 😂

[@samschellhase8831]

#AskEck why do medical droids not appear to have more soft material on their figures? When Koth rests on one at 4:17, I can’t imagine resting up against a hard, metal robot would be very comfortable, especially after being tortured. Why were these fitted with some sort of padding, or even cloth at the more sensitive parts, like the arms, shoulders, maybe even the palms? I understand the fingers need to be dexterous and mechanically precise, but the arms? The shoulders? Never made any sense to me

[@etazeta674]

You have no idea whatsoever how much I missed these battle breakdowns

[@danieltymus9340]

One thing to bring up, while anakin and galilee could've destroyed the droid pilots, not just the commando droids and tactical droid in the rescue, that would've alerted droids on board that something happened in the ship, and the mission was supposed to be stealthy.

[@nickvinsable3798]

Go over the Historical Evolution of Space Combat. Battle of Ryloth to the Battle [where Ashoka Tano was captured by Hondo Ohnaka].

[@wordwyrd]

The "good plan" was GREAT! A good days work indeed!

[@_Opalescence]

Clone Wars Grievous was such a chump. This battle breakdown was done spectacularly and it perfectly demonstrates how much the series relied on an incompetent villain for it to work.

[@reachdefender1]

Eckharts, I have a couple questions. Question 1: How would you build a fleet as a UNSC admiral, choosing ships pre, during, and after the Human-Covenant War. While I know you would prefer canon sources, I would also suggest that you look through this site "Halo Fanon". It contains fanon ships as well as ships used in Sins of a Prophet as well as some home drawn designs as well as using ships from other sources. Question 2: How would the Citadel species react to the history of the UNSC and the Swords of Sangheilos as well as the other species like the Unggoy and the Jiralhanae. (Post Human Covenant War)

[@vincentdamienarneo369]

After researching this again, I have just one comment. Your idea for what Grievous should've done is pretty spot on with my own idea but you said it yourself... The dude has a major problem with beating jedi in melee combat. I'm sure he knew what the best strategy was but time and time again he goes against reason just to satisfy his own ego

[@feyyro2855]

Could you cover the battle that happens during the "Bound for Rescue" from season 5 with Grievous and Obi Wan near Florrum ?

[@davidkanengieter]

Really like the new color format for the diagrams.

[@grendelkahn]

"just have the goddamn ship self destruct". Gold. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

[@BufftatJunkie]

This is freakin awesome. More combat simulations in the future please! 10/10

[@InventorZahran]

"Yer rowin' up the river boys, to ol' Salucami!"

[@philipsalama8083]

This kind of makes me imagine being a CIS command droid, pretending to be Greivous, and then annihilating Obi-Wan with turbolasers when he comes to board my ship, thinking that I want to fight him one-on-one.

[@nicholasszabo5954]

The fact a random trooper from the 212 punched Grevious is awesome.

[@kaptin1249]

Got the game, and the mod wish me luck all goes well, may the force be with you.

[@tp59804]

I looooove battle breakdown videos, especially about the clone wars so please make more of these

[@Wastydest]

Nebula vs. Pelleaon Resurgent vs. MC 85 Bellator vs. Resurgent Starhawk vs. Nebula Nebula+Endurance vs. Resurgent Who would win? #StarshipVersus #AskEck

[@apolloknight9521]

I’m seriously thinking that you could be a military officer... because you’re amazing

[@lsrys177]

Eck: im a little sick so my voice is a bit different Me: sounds normal to me

[@patchworkfellow]

*Cody* : *Punches Grievous in the face* *Also Cody* : *Visible bad@ssery*

[@demi-femme4821]

Y'know, all Grievous has to do is wait to ambush Obi-Wan, and then overwhelm with rapud strikes while Obi-Wan might not have even drawn his saber yet.

[@Ludwig.J]

Finally another episode of Battle Breakdown. Love this series (in generelle your conten)

[@BanditoBill]

I feel like this really reflects on Greivous' warrior-like personality as he'd much rather face his nemesis face to face and kill him with his own hands. Man the Kaleesh are ruthless and I love them! I hope we see a bit more on greivous' past and even about the Kalee.

[@waltuhgaming6523]

Actually at 4:00 that was just a normal 212th clone who punched grievous as the orange stripe goes up to his hand As for cody at 4:02 you can see it only goes up to his elbow

[@type_s_tyler7547]

I actually just watched those episodes last night! #Askeck during the ground battle of Saleucami, we see a droid with a shoulder fired rocket launcher nail an AT-TE and take it clean out of the fight. Do we know why walkers and other heavy ground forces don't have shields?

[@EckhartsLadder]

Type_S_Tyler I don't know, but I wasn't a fan of that part tbh

[@type_s_tyler7547]

@@EckhartsLadder Me neither, I get that tanks can have their week spots but that's at least the second time we've seen an AT-TE taken down in one shot and it feels kinda cheap

[@mitchcoleman1238]

That’s one thing I’ve always noticed about Grievous, the fact that he’s always willing to sacrifice his troops in order to gain a little ground! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@carpocolypsenow]

Just started watching clone wars again to be ready for season 7. One thing I noticed is episode 1 season 1 is the only time you see the munificent actually maneuvering like they should in an enguagment. Usually larger warships just look static.

[@fishfossils8858]

Cody punching Grievous in the face is like…the most Cody thing ever.

[@drizzt7dourden7]

huh... a question that came to mind when Eck talked about blowing up his mostly automated ship: most CIS ships are crewed by droids. why do they keep them pressurised/filled with air?? it does them no good while wasting resources/energy and giving the enemy a tactical benefit... and even if you have fleshys on board, you only need to have the sections in question pressurised.

[@jacks8016]

Wow Eckharts this is great please do more clone wars series battle breakdowns

[@thorshammer7883]

How would Star Trek ships by the end of the Dominion war fair in combat against Star Wars Expanded Universe and Warhammer 40k vessels since in Star Trek some of the less advanced factions like the Cardassians and Romulans had been able to significantly damage a planet's crust as seen in DS9 when the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar had bombarded the entirety of the Founder's homeworld which would be in the teratons of explosive force. And we are talking about the Post Dominion ships where the Federation has militarized and has updated their ships quite alot. So it's likely we are seeing about the very least somewhere above a dozen teratons. And I thought the Expanded Universe 200 gigaton per shot statement was quite ridiculous.

[@titanjakob1056]

The reason genital grievous lost was due to kenobis trolling