GRINDER BATTLE: Niche Zero vs. Baratza Sette 270!

[@LanceHedrick]

Please take a second to like and subscribe! You all rock and I am so humbled to have a spot where I can share ideas, opinions, and my experience with you all. Thanks for the support.

[@LanceHedrick]

I mean, my analyses on the cups produced were spot on. Happy to do more tasting to prove this in future videos

[@EricPetersen2922]

Hey Lance , happy holidays 🎄🎄 Glad to see your rocking!!!!🙏🏼😀💪 Let’s go get tattoos!!!

[@LanceHedrick]

Happy holiday's Eric! I hope you're holding down the West Coast for me

[@garyradley5694]

The Sette 270 is AU$530 and the Niche Zero is around AU$1600. If they are very similar in what they produce there is really only one winner. Just bought the Sette 270 to replace my failed Sunbeam, a AU$200 burr grinder. Has made a huge difference to what I can produce from my 12 yo Rancilio Silva.

[@tommihommi1]

Very, very important consideration: The "38mm" burrs in the Sette is the dimensions of the inner burr, while the niche "61mm" is the diameter of the outer ring. The actual burr size isn't *that* different, niche is still bigger ofc.

[@LanceHedrick]

Good call.

[@lepepus]

Good point, I was kind of chocked when he mentioned the size difference!! :)

[@BensCoffeeRants]

You'd think they'd market it as the larger, number that's generally what they do! Like peak wattage for speakers.

[@rhoelg]

size does matter said by my mistress!

[@Cenot4ph]

Appreciate the honest comparison, it really shows how difficult it is to taste differences at some point when the grinders are "good enough"

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely. The whole point of diminishing returns. My impetus for this video was in response to the insane difficulty of obtaining a niche. I hope people see this and know if they can't get a niche, it's not the end of the world haha

[@mattgraves3709]

@@LanceHedrick very glad to hear, also your channel has opened up all sort of possibilities...life has given me rainbows recently and I want to make Informed and smart purchases that will make sense in my mouth:)

[@LanceHedrick]

Heck yeah! Love to hear that

[@nolanscott9870]

Really hope that you get a chance to do a detailed review of the DF64 similar to what you did with the Baratza Vario. Talking about alignment, modifications, and blind tasting against the Vario + (or modded Vario) would be very cool to watch. So much community discussion is currently revolving around the DF64.

[@baluray2]

Lance… 9 months later you still rocked it. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

[@joseroda5863]

Lance, you rock! I really like your videos because they complement, rather than repeat, what other people do in KZbin. You have a more down to earth approach to things, while keeping professional and educational. Keep up the excellent work!

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much Jose! That means a lot. I'm so stoked you're here to support

[@svx123]

Lance, you rock! Thanks for this video and all the latte art ones - definitely helped to get me in the right direction. Breville Infuser and now Sette 270.

[@LanceHedrick]

Fantastic! That is wonderful news. Thanks for taking the time to drop a comment!

[@vschroeder4062]

I never would have thought to compare these two and would have assumed it would be no comparison. Thanks for doing this, I actually own the 270wi and feel vindicated. Thanks to Clive Coffee for their advice.

[@brentroman]

“Lance U Rock” I’m very happy you made this video. I have the Sette 270 and always wondered if ‘upgrading’ to the Niche was necessary. Glad to know. The Breville Dual Boiler with Sette 270 was actually my home workhorse team for years (until I sold my BDB in order to preorder the long-awaiting Odyssey Espresso Argos). FWIW- I also got a 3D printed single-dose hopper with a weighted auger for my Sette, and found the quality of the grounds was improved as a result. Thanks again, and keep up the great content.

[@LanceHedrick]

I think I'm going to get one of those lever machines when they come out. I'm excited to mess around with it

[@bravewoodbeanery]

Lance, you rock! I love my Sette 270. Thanks for the great comparison, you made me appreciate my grinder even more.

[@jimhand2734]

Thanks, Lance. My Niche arrived back in October after struggling to buy one for several months. I went through more espresso than I would have expected during the first week of ownership, but the Niche is doing great now. The espresso tastes really good.

[@LanceHedrick]

They are great grinders! When considering workflow x quality x aesthetics, hard to beat

[@SylvainProov]

I had the Sette 270v2 for 2 years, it's really a good grinder, it produces really fluffly grind without any lumps (in no time) ! Really impressive ! its only weak point is the noise! I sold it and bought a Eureka Mignon Specialita'. I didnt noticed any improvement in flavor or body, maybe a subtle improvement in clarity ? i'm not sure. But it's definitively more quiet, and the build quality and aesthetic is way superior. Keep in mind those grinders were not designed for single dosing. Only the Niche was. Thanks Lance for the video, it's always fun to watch !

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I went the same route you did. Can't really have a Sette with sleeping kiddos in the house! I love the Specialita!

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you for sharing your experience! And what you said sounds right. I would suspect higher clarity in the grinder you now have

[@SylvainProov]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ahah yeah, good point :D noisy but in a short amount of time because it's fast. 😅 but i prefer the Specialita too :p two times slower but really quiet ! @Lance Hedrick Mignon Single dose is coming soon :D Merry Christmas guys !

[@LanceHedrick]

Single dose! Nice! I need to get my grimy barista fingers on one

[@rasmuspoulsen4763]

I had a sette for a couple of years and upgraded it for a niche a year ago. The difference in shots wasn’t as big as I had thought it would be. But I’m sure the niche will still be grinding long after the sette is dead. Th niche has far superior build quality. And if you’re into light roasted coffee I don’t think the sette will handle the density and hardness in the long run. No problem with the niche there. I liked the sette but I have no regret upgrading to the niche.

[@LanceHedrick]

Agreed! 100%. Thank you for this comment!

[@cquezadak]

Thank you for your comment. Sadly, I can't hear you over my Sette 270.

[@marshallgoldberg8376]

When my Sette dies, I order a $40 part, get it in under a week, install in five minutes, and I’m up and running again. Not a big deal.

[@LanceHedrick]

Exactly! Not a big deal. But, in the long run, for some people who have the means, the niche could be a much better option for build quality and for not having to do replacements

[@tripledad6577]

@@LanceHedrick I had to repair mine. The gear box is 50 EU and It's a pain to install. Doable for someone who's handy, but certainly not for everyone. The simpler repair is the motor+gearbox combo. It's about 100 EU. A lot easier to install, but still not trivial. Since it's bound to break down after about 1500 grinds, the Sette is not a grinder I would recommend. If I had known this, I wouldn't have gotten the sette. Now I'm stuck with a loud grinder that requires a finicky repair every three years.

[@Twilo27st]

Wooowww.. this is the battle I’ve been waiting for. Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🙏

[@LanceHedrick]

I hope the video did not disappoint! Thank you so much for watching and supporting

[@playwright4peace]

Thanks, Lance! Several months ago, I bought the Sette 270 on your recommendation, and I am very happy with it -- thanks!

[@LanceHedrick]

Fantastic! It is a great grinder. And I stand by that rec!

[@y4wnd3r3]

I’m very new to the realm of nice home coffee, but I’ve found the sette fits perfectly into my tastes. I really like darker, bitterer roasts and brews and (likely because of this) have found the sette perfect for infusion brews or things like the hario switch. Plus its impossible to argue with the price to performance ratio. While I might enjoy the niche if I ever get my hands on it, I can see almost anyone getting into home espresso getting years out of a sette.

[@TheCoffeeField]

I wish they made the Sette in different colors like white and maybe less plastic components. I would pay $100 bucks more for that

[@satyr966]

Lance, you rock! This is a great comparison, thanks for doing it

[@LanceHedrick]

Thanks, Jimmy! Means a lot.

[@babas0097]

Bro…Idk why I’ve been longing to subscribe. Just did! To me, you are fastly becoming the next James Hoffman. Well explained, well mannered, enthusiastic, connoisseur, and fun! Keep doing what you are doing brother! 👊🏾

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much! Means a lot. Really appreciate the support and kind words!

[@florinchis4051]

When you have the opportunity please do a Eureka Mignon SD vs Niche comparison. You rock.

[@LanceHedrick]

I will see about getting my hands on one of those as soon as possible

[@CaptLatte]

I had the Sette 270 for about 3 years and upgraded to the Niche last year. I find the Niche a bit easier to dial-in my shots and cleanup is great. Adding the portastand and funnel from Decent makes it an even better setup as the metal cup isn't great for grinds with some static. But the big complaint I had with the Sette was that it was too darn loud (obnoxiously so in a home setting). My wife is so much happier now that she can sleep in on weekends :).

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely! So you have noticed that the taste is not incredibly different, though there are certainly differences, the biggest upgrade is in the quality of build, the quietness of the grinding, and the workflow.

[@tomfletcher7848]

Have you tried adding a spritz of water to negate the static when grinding? It made a huge difference for me with static and chaff spray

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely! RDT is very important foe reducing static.

[@darkdahaka7965]

@@tomfletcher7848 when and how do you apply it?

[@LanceHedrick]

Prior to grinding. Dose beans in a dosing jar, one spritz of water OR two (and I mean two) droplets of water. Shake the jar with your hand covering the opening, then dump in grinder and go!

[@yvonne3820]

I’ve been using the Sette 270 for as long as I remember. Happy with it. Don’t think I’ll ever go to another brand. I am getting a new born soon though so the noice might come in to play. Thanks Lance for the video. You do rock.

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you! And huge congrats on the impending newborn!

[@yvonne3820]

@@LanceHedrick ❤️❤️❤️

[@FireAwayProductions]

Lance you rock. Also, you rock. Keep on rocking in the free world.

[@lagunovmike]

Hey Lance! It would be also really interesting to carry out the similar battle between handgrinders for pourover (or other filter brewing methods), for example 1Zpresso (J or K series), or Timemore (popular C2 or their premium X model) vs Comandante. Price difference is like double, but some people say taste difference is negligible. Would be really nice to hear your opinion

[@elliottphd]

Would love to see this content Michael!

[@LanceHedrick]

Funny you ask this-I am currently working on one of these videos with 6 hand grinders that I think are at the best

[@lepepus]

GREAT timing on this video! I have had the Sette 270 for over a year and a half now and have a love/hate relationship with it. I like the way it looks, it works pretty well for single dosing and make good grinds. but GOD I am sick of the noise!!! (also annoyed on how the dial tends to move while grinding). So after much debate I finally ordered my Niche Zero this week and this video re-assures me that I made the right choice!!! Thanks!!

[@LanceHedrick]

Yes! Congratulations on getting one! They are definitely fantastic grinders and will be a huge step up in work flow and consistency from your current setup

[@joraver]

So incredibly looking for this viddy. Lance your Rock!

[@ozpain1]

Lance, you friggin rock AND you’re the man

[@MattHarris85]

Lance.... you rock Love this kind of vid, more of these comparisons please! Lots of reviews focus too much on design, work flow etc rather than quality in the cup. And the comparison between different products is so useful. Df64 vs cheap 60mm flats vs Forte would be really cool

[@LanceHedrick]

I need to finally just pony up and buy DF 64. I'm just so low on money. I've been blowing through my monthly budget through patreon like it's going out of style haha

[@martinzhang5533]

From my experience the most obvious difference of two grinders with same type of burr (conical here) is gonna be clarity, which is the most significant influence of fines in the taste. Other than that, all the "body", "sweetness" etc is very subjective. However, flat burr can have a rather big difference in taste vs conical, as the shape of the ground particles are different when inspected closely, which will influence the total surface area given a similar ground particle size.

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely! You have nailed it right on the head, Martin! Thank you for sharing this. I will definitely hit more of this in future videos when I dive more into flat burr sets, but it's nice that you have put this here for people to see.

[@JoseGonzalez-vw9bb]

Lance you rock. And thanks for your job, it's amazing. I love nerdiness and thoroughness in your videos, right on point.

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much Jose! Your comment means a lot.. Appreciate the support!

[@user-ge9uz9nn6j]

I have had the sette for 6 months now. Yes, it is loud, it is 10 seconds of your day - get over it. For the ultra low retention, reliability, small footprint and reasonable price point I have been very happy with it. I got the base model for less than $300 US, it did not have the step-less ring and I thought I would not need it. As I get further into making espresso I can see the benefit to having that option. It is available for an extra $100 and I will buy it in the future, easy to add on. Because I prefer to single dose I did not need the features of the 270wi. I did have to use their customer service and it was as fantastic as everyone says it is (I messed up the one/off micro switch when I first cleaned the burrs, newer models don’t have that fail point.). Excellent comparison review, LH does a great job. Clear example of the law of diminishing returns, I will spend the difference on good coffee beans.

[@alexyates7166]

Hey Lance, what was the roast level on those beans? I've been tempted by the Niche because I've heard it's better for light roasts than the Sette, while they might perform similarly on medium to dark. Is that true? Would love to get some comparative tasting across multiple coffees, doesn't need to be a blind test. This topic is one I've been waiting a long time for someone to do, so thanks!

[@LanceHedrick]

The coffee was light! I almost exclusively drink lightly roasted coffees and have used the sette for years with them

[@user-jp9js9th8o]

very good approach for an comparison... thx a lot

[@Jim90wa]

I've owned the Niche for a while now and am very very pleased with all categories. Thanks Lance always for your input and opinions .

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely! I am too. My goal with this video was less to say anything negative about the grind or, but to ensure people who have not been able to get their hands on one that the alternative grinders out there are very good as well. The biggest thing the niche can offer in my opinion is the workflow and quality of build.

[@tarltonc]

Very helpful review! I have owned a Sette 270wi for 2.5 years. I'm on my 2nd gearbox after the first one failed exactly 1yr in. The 2nd gearbox is starting to go now too, 1.5yrs later. I make about 3-4 espressos per day and don't single dose. Mainly, I love the grind by weight functionality to the 270wi as it dramatically simplifies my workflow. Waiting to see what Baratza is going to do in terms of hopefully providing another replacement gearbox, but have been looking at alternative grinders in the meantime. The Niche is now about the same price here in the UK at 500GBP. I'm really torn between getting one or switching to a flat burr grinder!

[@OutOfNamesToChoose]

Yep. In the UK, too. Been using the Smart Grinder Pro as opposed to the Niche, but I can't shake off the feeling that there's going to be something greater than the Niche to upgrade to at some point soon. The SGP isn't too good for espresso if I'm being honest, so the temptation to upgrade can be quite alluring. I have to remind myself that at the end of the day it's still espresso, and I've got more important fiscal priorities.

[@shahidyt]

I have a Macao M4D grinder that is a 58mm flat burr. I’m trying to replace the burrs if I can find a replacement. I’m currently using a smart grinder pro too, the Macao at over double the price is much better than the smart grinder, I can’t go fine enough on the smart grinder pro, so I’m using 22 grams rather my usual 28 grams. I like the weight option of the 270wi, but I’m wondering how it will compare to my Macao, no point spending money unless I’m getting the same or better quality.

[@jaeun87]

Great video! It was super interesting to hear the comparison between the two in a blind side by side

[@LanceHedrick]

For sure! I'm so happy you enjoyed the video

[@davida7586]

exactly the video I needed! thanks Lance!

[@logicaljuan]

Having had both of these, Lance is spot on. The flavor for money is not significantly different. However, the work flow on the Niche is certainly superior which is a small thing that adds up with daily use. Additionally, Baratza’s great customer service not withstanding, the Niche is noticeably quieter and built much more solidly (less likely to need service).

[@4wolverines]

Enjoy the baby’s first Christmas! Thanks for all of the videos!

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you! We did! It was fantastic

[@JonneytheKidd]

Lance You are a rockstar. We love and learn from your videos.

[@gilbertresendez3481]

Lance you Rock!

[@rioriggs3568]

Great video, thanks for the honesty!

[@rahmeleon]

Lance - You rock!!! I have a smart grinder pro, but I've been eyeing off the sette 270wi for awhile. Great video! Keep em coming!! And Merry Xmas!

[@LanceHedrick]

I would recommend against the WI. There are so many reported issues with the Tech in it. I would go with the base version 270. And merry Christmas to you too

[@2g1c69]

@@LanceHedrickyip have the 270, it’s great. Friend has a 270wi and it’s also been great, but one thing we noticed is we prefer weighing the beans pre hopper where the 270wi weighs the beans in the portafilter. Based on our workflow the 270 is better Repairing the 270 & 270wi are both super easy though and parts are easy to obtain. Best thing about them. You rock

[@adaz240]

Thanks for the great content and easily reachability for questions! Awesome!

[@LanceHedrick]

For sure! Thank you for watching and supporting!

[@jw6180]

Thank you Lance, you rock. I’m still searching and researching budget grinders.

[@LanceHedrick]

That is awesome! I hope you find some useful information on my channel

[@anderdelrio]

Lance, you ROCK.

[@joebeone]

Lance, you rock

[@timlu7486]

Lance... you rock! Got to meet you at the SF Coffee Festival and you really made my day!

[@LanceHedrick]

Hey Tim! Absolutely! Thanks again for coming by and saying Hey

[@What_If_We_Tried]

Lance, thanks so much for that Sette 30 upgrade tip.

[@zacht4517]

Lance, you rock.

[@ivankreitman1526]

Thank you Lance!! I have the Sette "30x9" (30 with the 270 mod) and I am very happy. Thank you for confirming the quality of the Sette grinder. I am also enjoying my BDB. A great pair.

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely! Just know that you'll need to keep really good care of that grinder. And if something does happen, make sure to reach out to customer support 1st. they usually take care of issues for a while

[@a.g.wilson8618]

@@LanceHedrick I have the same set up - and re: taking good care of it........... a few weeks ago i was adding water to my Gaggia CP and - while distracted by my 5yo I POURED IT INTO MY SETTE. OMG i panicked and froze. My wife was like 'wtf - clean it up!' as water flowed from every intersection of its' plastic body and out of the ground spout. I was horrified that I'd just ruined 1/2 of my daily medication process (though somewhat thrilled about the likelihood of getting a new toy). I took it apart and put it in front of a fan for 24 hr and it seems to be no worse for wear. I realize some corrosion may have been initiated - but so far so good. I'm only a year into making actual non-Bialetti espresso - so I am not yet entirely ready to move on from my entry levels.

[@obaits3225]

Lance…. You rock

[@Beckese27]

Lance.. You rock! Your videos are so so good man. And for someone like me who wants in the future to provide the complete coffee experience these videos are game changing

[@LanceHedrick]

That is so great to read. Thank you for saying it!

[@marianoolivares6439]

great video Lance, getting better on the video quality also! congrats.

[@LanceHedrick]

Now in 4k! Lol thanks

[@Tazer2death]

Lance, you rock! My friend was upgrading from a Sette to a Niche Zero and offered me the Sette. Perfect to see the 2 head to head!

[@LanceHedrick]

That is an awesome deal!

[@ChongMark]

Lance you rock!

[@xdorz282]

Hey Lance- You rock! I think this was a great idea for a video and was well executed and I enjoyed it. However, I did have a few suggestions that I think could make comparisons videos like these even better. First, I think instead of just talking about the workflow, maybe we could watch your workflow with both grinders for just the first shot. That way u can talk about as well as show the real world impacts of the improvements of the Niche and show how it’s easier, faster, better distribution, sound while actually grinding, etc. This would seemingly be more useful than just mentioning those concepts. My second suggestion is with regards to the stirring. I really enjoy your video style and transparency in process and I do think it’s a good idea to show it for the first shot to mitigate questions, but showing the thorough stirring on the 2nd and 3rd shots instead of just mentioning that you repeated the procedure seemed like video time better spent on showing the shots or the workflow. Lastly, I focused on trying to guess which one was the Niche, rather than which one you preferred. For the 2nd shot, you guessed wrong because of the body but the other one was more clear and was the Niche. Which did you prefer and why? Would some prefer the body? I think focusing on what is better and worse within the shots is more useful than just seeing if a talented coffee professional can guess the grinder. Anyways, love the content, keep up the great work, and hopefully the feedback is received in the spirit in which it was intended. Merry Christmas

[@LanceHedrick]

Thanks for the comment. Tried to speak in terms that were not subjective in the sense that I was telling which one I preferred but more so giving terms that I thought represented the cups well so that you could draw your own conclusions. If you go back and watch the tastings, you will see that I was quite descriptive with what I was tasting. But but, your notes are definitely noted and I will do better in the future

[@louisleoncini1033]

Lance I'm learning a lot from you thank you keep it up.

[@jamesprecious1035]

Lance. loving your channel! Keep up the great work.

[@LanceHedrick]

Thanks James! It means a lot. Thank you for supporting the channel

[@sergn717]

Awesome comparison! Lance, you rock. My biggest takeaway is that in home setting, shot to shot consistency will never be perfect no matter what, so basically Niche is as good as it gets all things combined (grind quality, build quality, workflow etc), but you can get equally great results from a cheaper grinder. I just got my Niche - and availability seems to have greatly improved recently, it only took 2 weeks from order to delivery to the US - and while I’m very happy with it, I can definitely say that the shots I’ve been pulling with the Niche are very similar to what I had been getting from my Comandante C40 - sometimes better, sometimes worse. I expect the Niche to get more consistent over the next few months as it gets more seasoned, but still the difference in taste is never going to be several hundred dollar worth, like you said. But the looks and the workflow improvements are, to me.

[@Syd7088]

Hi Sergey, for C40, did you use Red Clix for Espresso (light or dark?)? thanks.

[@sergn717]

@@Syd7088 I do! It makes a lot of difference. I drink mostly medium roasts, and sometimes light. Without Red Clix, the range between the machine choking to a "gusher" is basically 3 clicks. Red Clix makes this range twice as big - realistically you get about 3-4 clicks that produce a palatable shot. Now, arguably, 15 microns is still a bit high for espresso, and you might find yourself needing to adjust dose (within .2-.4 g for me usually) to get that final tiny adjustment.

[@Syd7088]

@@sergn717 thanks very much!

[@JakubSobczak]

Lance, you ROCK!

[@QWEEKEN73]

Lance, you rock!

[@clintonbrendle6843]

You rock lance! Keep up these excellent videos

[@camelnoon]

Thank you for this review , appreciate your effort 👍🏻

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words

[@marshallgoldberg8376]

I have the Sette 270 and found that if you put beans in the hopper, it works much better: You can dial in the weight by programming the timer. Plus this makes it quieter, it grinds in half the time, and eliminates popcorning, which makes the grind better. And workflow is faster.

[@LanceHedrick]

Absolutely! Always having beans to feed the dose is a better option, but then the beans can go stale a lot faster when in the hopper. So I think that's the impasse most people are at. Fresh coffee versus better grinding but old coffee.

[@peanutbutterjelly800]

Lance Rock I have the pleasure of briefly speaking to him on the phone because I'm an onyx customer and he's very nice and I appreciate that

[@LanceHedrick]

Hey! Thank you so much for saying that! What is your name? I hope you are doing well!

[@peanutbutterjelly800]

@@LanceHedrick sorry for the weird English I was using voice to text. My name is Matt! I spoke with you off of bears phone a month or two back! Thanks for helping me improve!

[@LanceHedrick]

! Very cool! So glad that you're improving and enjoying what you're doing

[@stevenr5149]

I owned Baratzas for years. I liked them but not the sound. I got about 5 years out of each. Then I used the Lido hand grinder for a decade. I can not go back to the sound of the Baratzas. Now I have the Niche Zero. It actually sounds so nice. The Build quality is at another level. It may be the last grinder I buy. Time will tell. I love the Niche for my clever-dipper water first method. The more round shaped grinds fall to the bed before the fines. I get 30 second pour-downs with 31 grams of coffee & 500 grams of water. And yummy coffee.

[@LanceHedrick]

Nice! I can't stand the niche for filter. You must have a unicorn machine! Fantastic. Mine lives in a cabinet mostly.

[@stevenr5149]

​@@LanceHedrick Honestly I think I might. With my 400 micron Kruve screen- less than a gram of fines with 31 grams of beans. (fines role in pour-over are complicated though) I can easily be overwhelmed by the main flavors and lose the symphony of subtle flavor changes from beginning middle and to the long. I also like my flavors on a velvety silky pallet for my flavors. Niche delivers for me in these two areas. I found that I have to grind significantly more coarse with the Niche in my pour-overs(maybe the because the Niche creates a less uniform grind size). If I were to compare pour-overs with the Niche to a flat burr grinder, I would not use the same pour over recipe. I would not be getting the best out of one of them-or both. As a 25 year coffee enthusiast(My coffee journey started at Intelligentsia's first cafe on on Broadway in Chicago), we are in a high-point for grinders. Incredible high-quality choices and options--for every brew method and for every palette! When I bought my first Lido-that was basically it(in my budget;). Now so many great choices--easily at the level of the Niche. Good times :)

[@donle5688]

Thanks for the video!

[@adamaddams1521]

Finally the side by side I've been looking for

[@LanceHedrick]

So happy I was able to do something that you were seeking. I hope you enjoyed the video!

[@9abe9]

Lance, you absolutely rock!

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much! You rock as well

[@demmidemmi]

Great video as always Lance. If these kinds of comparisons are something you like look into triangle tests.

[@LanceHedrick]

I've done fair share of triangle tests in my time lol. Been working in coffee for a decade just about haha!

[@sandygilliland7600]

Lance, you DO rock! Love your vids!

[@aaronoeldrew]

Rock on, Lance. Nerdy and informative, though the singing was also awesome. ☕️

[@LanceHedrick]

Haha! Thanks sincerely. Hope you are well!

[@nilsalb]

I actually would love to see you do a similar test with Niche for filter coffee. The ability for the niche to do both was a selling point for me

[@LanceHedrick]

Issue is I can't stand filter coffee from the niche. I have not ever gotten a cup I've enjoyed out of it. They are always a stringent and lacking any sort of balance and complexity. But, that doesn't rule it out. I would definitely definitely be willing to try them out on a video

[@LanceHedrick]

I have already reached out to him and he is willing. The issue is he is in London and I am an Arkansas. Lol

[@LanceHedrick]

For sure. It seems a lot of people aren't really happy with it for filter, even though James is. But again, that is one of those to each their own moments. I think the niche can give great filter coffee if what you're looking for is a more chocolate and traditional cups from most of the coffees you put in. finding acidity and clarity as almost impossible in my experience.

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Agree with you, Amen and Amen, superbly fun and superbly done

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much for the support! Really appreciate it

[@auggiehoutz8396]

Lance, you rock!!

[@bryanbischof4351]

Hey! My grinder! I never see content about the Sette so thanks.

[@LanceHedrick]

Fantastic! I hope you enjoyed it

[@dbauernf]

Damn! I've been thinking about this comparo for years! You rock!

[@LanceHedrick]

Haha! That is awesome! I hope you enjoy the video

[@dbauernf]

@@LanceHedrick I did! My little Lelit grinder is cryin' in the Espresso corner of my office now tho 'cause I want the Niche. :(

[@LanceHedrick]

Haha! Upgraditis is real

[@z3r0w1ng]

Lance, you rock...Coffee God! And you're comparing my grinder (well, I have a modded Sette 30 with the 270 wheel...)...so cool!

[@LanceHedrick]

Very good! Hope you enjoyed the video

[@abdullahaluqmany6011]

You rock Mr Lance

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you, Abdullah!

[@andrewdevall4438]

Lance, you rock! You've encouraged me to go learn about some of the more technical aspects of specialty coffee. You're a great teacher and have helped me seriously level up in my coffee game

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you so much for sharing! I'm so happy that anything I do can have a positive effect on anyone else

[@MrNikibilly]

Lance you Rock

[@stefanitan3825]

Thanks for this comparison! I recommended a friend sette 270 while I was lucky to get niche due to the same reason you mentioned. Super relieved that I didn't recommend the wrong one hahaha

[@LanceHedrick]

Haha! Not at all! You recommended a fantastic grinder that punches well above its weight

[@futurizo]

I happened to have been shopping for a grinder at the time of the GBP collapse last year and was fortunate to purchase the Niche substantially less than price range mentioned in this video. and fwiw availability wasn't an issue; received it in like 5 days from order.

[@LanceHedrick]

Nice! I am still not a fan of the cups it produces.

[@futurizo]

@@LanceHedrick since purchasing it, I came across your channel and Niche criticisms. but you are mostly critical of its filter capability, no? I don't do filter, so far have just ground for moka pot, and it's been great. but have a robot on the way, so will be trying my hand at espresso soon.

[@LanceHedrick]

@@futurizo I am not impressed by the espresso it produces, for what it is supposed to produce. I have had better espresso from, say, the eureka specialita and baratza sette.

[@michaelscholten9753]

The Sette 270wi workflow is so good I don’t know why someone would go back to individual weighing of doses.

[@meakesey]

This was my thoughts exactly for a long time as a 270Wi User But by keeping the beans in the hopper they are going stale much quicker. I now store my beans in an Airscape. Plus, if you need to adjust grind settings (for dialling in or switching between espresso and filter) then single dosing means no need to waste beans.

[@LanceHedrick]

Hey Michael! For sure. Convenience is insanely good! But as Matt pointed out, it's better for the life of the beans to store them in an airtight, preferably vacuum style, container. This will elongate the tastiness of them beans lol

[@rwh1949homer]

I have the Baratza Sette 270 with both sets of burrs, espresso & drip/filter. I do mostly filter coffee and use the filter burrs. Yes, the Baratza is noisy but it doesn’t bother me. My wife doesn’t however appreciate the noise. I also like the Baratza’s repair strategy but I’ve never had to utilize it over the 2 plus years of ownership. Also I’m a subscription service customer of Onyx in Rogers, AR. Love their coffees. Robert

[@LanceHedrick]

Hey Robert! I'm currently in Rogers Arkansas sitting in my garage! Thank you for taking the time to comment. I agree with you on the noise. It doesn't bother me. And yes, their repair strategy is absolutely elite

[@MrJpWelder]

I got frustrated with my Sette 270. The noise is one issue but that is not what frustrated me. I despise the adjustment on the Sette. I could spend a long time dialing in an espresso bean. Then if I move to a courser Aeropress setting, moving back to the finer espresso setting produces a completely different result. It was infuriating. I had to start from scratch again. After a few times of that I ordered the Niche.

[@crispyfrank]

Lance, my friend, you rock!🤘🏼

[@MrFlapstick]

What kills me with the sette 270 is the inconsistency between shots, probably my workflow but interesting to hear your shots were also varied!

[@LanceHedrick]

Sadly, that is the nature of espresso. Your shots are always going to vary a little bit based off of the nature of coffee beans being different in every sample dose you take. On top of that, the high pressure and the Is difficulty of being perfect with putt preparation every shot is impossible

[@bobdonaldson445]

Some others have commented, try the Eureka Mignon vs the Niche. I have a Eureka and love it. Great buy for the money

[@LanceHedrick]

I will need to get my hands on one of those. I have the atom 65 at home and have not been impressed

[@tobytobyson]

Lance, you absolutely Rock. No doubt about that.

[@LanceHedrick]

Haha! Thank you so much Ruben

[@brianconnormusic]

Going from the 270wi to the Niche, the biggest difference to me was the ease of dialing in. Maybe I didn't know what I was doing, but I had such a hard time with the settle.

[@LanceHedrick]

Yes. You are correct in that observation. Nothing wrong with your capability of dialing in. thanks for engaging!

[@tomjodisamibock]

Lance, YOU ROCK!!!!

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I'm sure the burr size and geometry played a part in it, but I know flat burrs at lower rpm generally give more clarity, and less body (less fines most likely), and higher rpm = more body and less clarity (more fines most likely), so I'm thinking that was a factor as well here.

[@InspirationCatalyst]

An old rocker from way back

[@carstenkumaripaakjr8149]

Thanks Lance your awesome 👍😉 Happy to hear that the sette holds up the way it does. I have had my eye on the Niche since it came out but the price tag is just too steep! I ended up getting the sette and I love it (maybe more so now even 😂)

[@LanceHedrick]

Is heck yeah! You got yourself a really good grinder. You're only really missing out on nice workflowing build quality.

[@marcozammit9608]

Thanks Lance, you rock! Love your videos and you have already helped me improve my espresso dramatically across your videos. I am looking at upgrading my grinder from the ECM C54 as I can’t fine tune it enough depending on the beans. The Niche looks awesome and is in my budget, I love that it is stepless and the workflow is perfect for me, but I am not sure if flat or conical is more preferable for espresso. Do you recommend the Niche or something else with that budget in mind? I am even happy to shell out a bit more for something very special.

[@LanceHedrick]

If you have the ability to get the lagom p64, I'd highly recommend that!

[@cheekster777]

Nice battle between two good grinders. Thanks Lance.

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you as always!

[@roncenti]

Now that was useful. I was happy with my Sette 30 with the 270 adjustment ring. Did month of research. It is loud, yes but I am single and it does not bother anybody and its only for a few seconds anyways. I always thought the high prices of some grinders are insane and way out of my reach. The Niche is beautiful though. But you confirmed my suspicion that after you reached a good level, it does not make a huge difference and definitely not a several hundred dollars or thousand dollar difference. I am now very happy with my Sette and concentrate now to find a good espresso machine I can afford. My current machine is OK. Got it for $40 on Facebook. Was $1500 new but it is not as manual as I want it to be so.... Almost saved up for a Gaggia. :-) By the way... You rock!

[@LanceHedrick]

Heck yeah! Thanks for sharing! I love reading about the set ups of people here. Cheers and happy brewing!