GrizzlyStik Alaskan 200, IronWill 200s VS Elk scapula

[@strixoutdoors]

That was one awful elk blade burrito but I'm glad I was finally able to punch an "adult" arrow through them. ;) I'm sacrificing speed for the heavier arrow weight but it makes a huge difference in penetration.

[@mikeguy9668]

Finally a real test from somebody. Thank you

[@strixoutdoors]

You're welcome. I did a test of the IronWills on elk humerus bone that I'm really excited to post a vid about. I'll hopefully get that out soon so stay tuned for that.

[@nathanrobarge6970]

Very cool video. Ranch fairy and rocketman would love this

[@torreyintahoe]

I'm so tired of hearing about ranch fairy.

[@donnydonnydarko7858]

Hey Jesse, great info, thanks for taking one for the team! Maybe next time use a plastic bag/vacuum seal it? It was hard to hear you over the flies buzzing! :) The comments here rock, I learned so much from them, thank you everyone!!!

[@strixoutdoors]

LOL!!! The flies were terrible and the bones were nasty too. I went through so many pairs of gloves because I didn't want to touch my camera or my bow after touching the bones. :)

[@donnydonnydarko7858]

@@strixoutdoors thinking most people watching your vids have smelled that before, so yeah, we could taste it in the back of our throats, thanks!! :)

[@danf4062]

Great test ! Thanks

[@chazdahl1112]

Nasty heads!!

[@codiacmulletmulletlife9477]

Thanks for taking the time to do this, hopefully you get another elk soon and you can shoot through the thick part of the bone, thats what most of us want to see, shoulder blades are very thin in the middle and less work than getting through a rib, hopefully i'll get an elk next year and I can test for myself. Thanks and keep content coming

[@strixoutdoors]

Here is the latest video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJSbkmuIeJejpLc

[@davidholliday3286]

Whichever one you decide to use, please do an inspection of the damage to the animal and share the results.... Thanks.

[@mike_hunt_fish_trap]

This video made me purchase a six pack of iron will's @244$

[@strixoutdoors]

You can't go wrong with the IWs. I'm very impressed with them and that's what I'm sticking with going forward. I've got some additional vids on them, just too busy with other stuff to finalize them right now. Soon though.

[@jblanla]

What sharpener do you use For the first Brodhead

[@strixoutdoors]

Man. I’m not the best at resharpening. Mostly I’ve used DMT double sided diamond hones.

[@ep3389]

Do the iron will single bevel with bleeders to compare holes with bleeders

[@strixoutdoors]

I'm not sure I understood your question fully. I actually did some testing recently on the IW single vs double bevels on an elk humerus bone. Video to follow in the next couple of months I hope... I'm super behind. Spoiler: the IW's are awesome

[@ep3389]

@@strixoutdoors I was just saying to compare the hole of a single bevel with bleeders to that of a double bevel head with bleeders

[@ep3389]

@@strixoutdoors I'm just saying that cuz it looked like the double bevel with bleeders punched a nice hole through the bone and I was wondering if that was because of the bleeders, it'd be nice to see if a single bevel with bleeders would not only split the bone but punch a nice hole through the bone as well

[@strixoutdoors]

@@ep3389 , gotcha! I have exactly what you're looking for and through a much thicker bone. Stay tuned for that vid when it comes out.

[@ep3389]

@@strixoutdoors nice ill look forward to it.

[@toddfoxx7233]

Bleeder blade not vein right? Or am I hearing things lol😂

[@strixoutdoors]

Hahaha.. I know, I know... not sure why I had that in my head. Maybe if we serrate the edges of the vanes then they will be bleeder vanes! :)

[@toddfoxx7233]

@@strixoutdoors now we are talking that would be freaking awesome and maybe a tad dangerous 😂

[@williamsnick2]

Great video 👍

[@strixoutdoors]

Thank you! Just smoked a hog with this setup and the Alaskan 200. Double shoulder shot... right though without a problem.

[@richardbrown4953]

@@strixoutdoors have you tried any of the Bishop heads?

[@strixoutdoors]

@@richardbrown4953 , I have not. I talked to them about their heads and their broadheads look really tough but they are just so darn expensive. These are expensive enough as it is.

[@richardbrown4953]

I'm in the process of making some heavier arrows and thinking about using their 200gr single bevel

[@strixoutdoors]

@@richardbrown4953 , it's been an interesting journey making these heavy arrows. The bishops do look awesome.

[@tomellendorf7236]

Anything will go through a shoulder blade. Maybe next time try the humerus bone by the knuckle. That would bee cool to see especially because thats what guys hit when they say the shoulder stopped an arrow

[@strixoutdoors]

Yup. I agree with you. I do want to do that testing. I have a set of IronWill Single Bevels now as well that I would like to compare to the Alaskan200

[@tomellendorf7236]

@@strixoutdoors nice! Would bee really cool test

[@-lovefromnh]

@@strixoutdoors have you done the test yet?

[@strixoutdoors]

@@-lovefromnh, no I haven't done it yet. I need to find some good beef bones to test at least until elk season... hopefully I'll have elk bones to test on after that. Currently, I have full confidence in the IronWills. They are just expensive. The other part of that is using a sufficiently heavy arrow along with the heads will also be a big factor according to Ashby's study/reports.

[@wildernessoutdoors6875]

I just posted a video using beef scapula, not using a heavy setup like this, but does show a couple arrows hitting the knuckle.

[@timbow50]

Heavy arrows are way over ratted IMO. IVE had little trouble getting complete pass thru on175-210 # wild boar with 445 grain Magnus Black Hornet serrated at 282 fps. A few hits were in the shoulder Shield and the broadhead was protruding thru the opposite side shoulder shield. Hits were actually a little high and missed the sweet spot taking out the heart. If you've never seen these shields they can easily be more than one inch thick. So, an elk scapula isn't much of an stopper unless you hit directly on the thick part which is actually very narrow.

[@strixoutdoors]

I hear ya. 445 is pretty good weight. I 100% believe my heavier arrow setup allowed me to drop my last archery whitetailed deer (ducked the arrow and the arrow went straight through the spine) and last elk (heavy quarter away shot) where my previous arrow setup may have not quite done the job as well. I've also done some testing on some heavier elk bones that I need to make the time to edit and share with you guys so stay tuned for that. Thank you for the comment. Always eager to learn what's working for folks.

[@paytenblevins3401]

@@strixoutdoors 37 yards with a 467 grain arrow with a rage trypan completely rolled my huge doe last year and severed the spine in 2 parts. Super heavy arrows are overrated imo also but If you choose that route just stick to a closer yardage and you’ll be good. I am picking up some iron wills to shoot this year along with my tooth of the arrow fixed blades to see which takes the cake. Good luck

[@jordanpowell228]

100 percent agree with this. Good speed, heavy enough, quality broadhead

[@kevinemard5370]

Which is higher in cost?

[@strixoutdoors]

The IronWills are more expensive. Grizz stick doesn't make the Alaskan 200s anymore for some reason. The IronWills are tougher. If I was only going to buy 1 I would go with the IronWills

[@lukewagley5842]

Can you expand a little more on your insert/outsert system with those Momentum TDT arrows? Was looking into using the ethics system on my momentum 240’s but the minimum weight of the ethics system is 175gr and that would put my total arrow weight way above 650. I’m curious to know how you got to 625gr with that insert/outsert combo. Thanks

[@brycehiigel235]

On my ethics I am getting 180gr insert/outsert that includes the sleeve.

[@lukewagley5842]

@@brycehiigel235 what is your total arrow weight? And what weight head?

[@brycehiigel235]

@@lukewagley5842 I am not at the 600+ gr yet. Right know I am using the Sirius Orion’s .166 diameter 300 spine. With a 180gr in/outsert and a 125gr head. TAW is around 575gn with about a 20% FOC. I am also trying the Victory VAP SS. Still using the ethics stainless steel in/outserts cut down to 60gr plus the sleeve gets me another 70gr total 130gr there. Head is 125 gr (actual weight is 130gr) total wait came out to 574gr with 20.68% FOC. I am still learning and trying this out.

[@lukewagley5842]

@@brycehiigel235 sounds like it should work well! That’s a good happy medium.

[@brycehiigel235]

@@lukewagley5842 thanks.

[@ephatla58]

A 320 spine seems light for that poundage and point weight?

[@nj-bz8pv]

Yep 240 would be better

[@strixoutdoors]

I have a 28.5" draw and I'm cutting the arrows from the back end which would make them stiffer. I used the Archers Advantage program and also chatted with Grizz Stick about it. But, sometimes it does feel like they might be on the light side. They are quite fickle to tune.

[@milkrvr4088]

Way underspined unless they run off weird number but at 28.5” and 70lbs which is more like 73.7 and 60 insert and 125 point I’m a 300 spine if I added more weight like 200 I would need to be a 250 victory has a good calculator for it I don’t like how it takes the bows ibo speed but I was also underspined with some vap tkos and after switching to a 300 spine it’s much easier to tune

[@lancewoody6294]

So which one do you like better single bevel or double.. i am switching to fixed blades this season and want best penetration and also good blood trail

[@strixoutdoors]

Ah man... that's a tough call because I don't feel that I've killed enough critters to make that determination just yet. From the penetration testing I've done so far, the Grizz and the IronWill both seem to do well and I feel like the IronWills are a more durable head because of the material. The IronWills are a bit more of a chore to sharpen in some respects. Blood trail, they are all going to be about the same and shot placement will make the biggest difference on that. The IronWills do have 2 bleeder vanes so that might give you a very slightly better blood trail but again shot placement is 99% of the story with that IMO. If you read the reports from Dr. Ashby, and I highly recommend you read these if you're after big game, (www.ashbybowhunting.org/ashby-reports). The biggest difference in single bevel and double bevel is supposed to be their ability to break heavy bone. You need the correct arrow setup to do this anyway but all other things being equal the single bevel should perform better. The elk scapula that I tested on wasn't stout enough to show that difference and to be honest, the IronWill arrow was deeper into the target than the Grizz arrow was but lots of other factors there also of course. According to Ashby; structural integrity of your arrow setup and arrow flight are #1 and #2 top factors in penetration. The broadhead edge type (single or double) is factor #10 (ranked in that order). This is out of 12 factors that affect penetration. So, if you don't have all of those other factors correct to maximize penetration first then the broadhead edge doesn't matter.

[@nonetheless01]

Iron will all the way.

[@ericlind3569]

What poundage are you pulling for this test?? Cool video!

[@strixoutdoors]

Thanks! I have the Bowtech Reign 6 (comfort setting) maxed out and I'm at about 73-74#s. 28.5" draw length. I haven't put it on a draw scale in a while.

[@jeffreyccv]

Red green would be proud! Duck tape King lol

[@thestalkarcheryarrows]

Out of both of those broadheads what one is more accurate back to 60 yards?

[@strixoutdoors]

I think they are both accurate out to 60. I feel like it's a bit harder to tune the Alaskans. IronWill is coming out with a single bevel head very soon. Also something to consider.

[@thestalkarcheryarrows]

@@strixoutdoors no doubt I was just looking at them

[@thestalkarcheryarrows]

@@strixoutdoors thanka

[@TheMichiganShow]

Porch refrigerators, genius

[@strixoutdoors]

Haha.. Thanks. They are in the garage now... although I do miss having them just outside of the back door on the porch.

[@MP-cx2rh]

Pretty cool cuz

[@ammonnhonduras]

Great idea and video. I just dont see why it wasnt performed at 30yds. More of an actual distance that would happen in a hunting situation and the reason for why you are using the heavy set up.

[@strixoutdoors]

I agree 30yrds would be more realistic but the problem is that you introduce more human error in shot placement with distance and for this test I wanted to be as consistent as I could with each shot. I only had this set of bones to test so if I made a bad shot it could ruin the whole test. It's a pretty minimal decrease in speed between this and 30yrds.

[@dan776]

Bleeder blade not bleeder vane

[@strixoutdoors]

You're absolutely correct! Not sure why I have bleeder vane stuck in my head.

[@jessedavis3196]

Of course shooting 2 different spots on a scapula will render different splits and holes. The closer to the V-notch the more reinforcement the bone structure naturally has, and of course right in the middle of the "paddle" area the more prone to splitting. Also a watermelon is nowhere near the consistency of lungs. Just buy some lung or save a lung or any organ from a meat market.

[@strixoutdoors]

I agree with that you're saying; just making due with what I can get my hands on to give an indication. I've done some further testing recently with the IW single and double bevels. I hope to post soon just very behind on videos due to other priorities.

[@Fred-eg9sx]

In my experience, I find the Ashby 315 penetrates alot better than the Alaskan, though I find that the Ashby 315 gets some pretty crazy wind drift just due to how long it is...

[@strixoutdoors]

Makes sense. The Ashby head has a better mechanical advantage with the blade angle also. My buddy that shoots the Ashby 315 feels the same way. I don't trust the point on the Ashby as much. Seems like it would be easier for it to break/bend than the top on the Alaskan.

[@tylerharlow1226]

Out of the too what broadhead would you guys recommend for whitetails within 30 35 yards?

[@Fred-eg9sx]

@@tylerharlow1226I'd use the Ashby 315 for anything within 50 yards. However, you might need to run a lighter set up if these bucks jump the string too often.

[@Fred-eg9sx]

@@strixoutdoors that is true. 2 years ago during my Ontario moose hunt, the Ashby 315 I was using (which had been through 4 or 5 white tails) finally broke apart after breaking through both scapula. Which by my standards are more than good enough, considering most Broadheads can't even punch through moose shoulder

[@strixoutdoors]

@@Fred-eg9sx Yes! That's impressive! What was your total arrow weight for that moose hunt? Arrow speed?

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

Coming at you 3 years in the future. Grizzlystik is about to drop the new Alaskan head in 200 grains and made of Bohler K340 tool steel, which will put the A2 and S7 tool steels to shame.

[@strixoutdoors]

Ok. Looking forward to that.

[@RadDadisRad]

A single bevel offsets the cutting edge without offsetting the blade.

[@indianapublicland7429]

Grizzly sticks are junk. I've seen plenty snap at the ferrule!!!!

[@pburch08]

You wanna try English this time?

[@montuckyman4982]

@@pburch08 That is English! Makes perfect sense.

[@pburch08]

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[@brianmad19]

This is the worst recipe for elk watermelon I've ever seen.

[@strixoutdoors]

hahaha!