Group B Drivers

There are those who can drive Group B Cars and then there are Group B Drivers

[@garthpaul6216]

I grew up watching these in NZ, back in the day (I'm in my late 50's now ), the best sound your ever going to hear in a Rally car EVER NO modern Rally car will ever sound this good.

[@137thattempt]

My old man got to see some of these events back in the day and I am eternally jealous. It might have been more of a tribute event, but he has some amazing photos of some legendary cars at the race to the sky in Queenstown in the early 2000s.

[@evans3304]

I'm the same vintage as you and I agree 100%. The sound is like a screaming banshee from hell. Nothing else comes close the these cars and they always looked like they were going some much faster.

[@OhRaez]

Keep in mind, those cars are history. The reason newer drivers may be driving them more carefully is because if they crash them, that's it. They're gone.

[@ianmangham4570]

We can manufacture everything AGAIN

[@jayplexy5983]

@@ianmangham4570 You realise once a car is totalled it's prett much impossible to repair. And we can't accurately build a new one since most of these cas didn't have building plans.

[@ianmangham4570]

@@jayplexy5983 We can rebuild anything these day's, all you need is CASH

[@ricardo040385]

1 versus the other: 1 - what is at stake? A group b driver is fighting for world championship, the other is probably trying to win just that rally. In november 2019 i saw a rally in portugal (altronix rally spirit) and the guest driver was stig blomqvist, and he was going so so slow... The car is a piece of history and he was going around to show the car but keeping it on one piece. 2 - Money? You are a group b driver and you crash the car realy bad. Next rally you have a brand new for free. If you don't crash, after a few rallys you get a new one for free. If you own a group b you try to drive it without pushing the limits and not crash the car, because it is expensive to mantain and repair and most drivers are not bilionaires. 3 - for new videos the guy chose tight corners and tricky side jumps and for the old drivers chose open corners and open roads. Now search for josef beres, hungarian pilot, any video and he goes fast. And search group b old movies and look how they drive slow corners. Not much diferent from the new, but remember what was at stake: world xhampionship and free cars vs national championship or single rally and you pay all expenses. Think about it...

[@19SAS]

@@ricardo040385 there is no need to think about it really, i do agree with all you said and maybe my description was not that good, i know they cannot crash these beautiful cars now.... but in saying all that it still took a very great pilot to drive these cars and no one.. in my opinion, is as good as they were... Beres is a great driver, but he is NO walter Rhorl, he has an electric / cable handbrake to throw his S1 round corners, he also disconnects the front wheel drive at times to make it look more spectacular........... Group B drivers never had that option and would not have disconnected the front wheels anyway... corners were not picked to make older drivers look better, its just these days they DO NOT have those long sweeping corners for old classic rally cars.... but thank you for your comments...

[@goodlessnaren]

This Audi is eating the ground . With every gear it's just so hungry!

[@TechnikMeister2]

Stig Blomquist in that S1 to his navigator in the last special stage of the Rally of the Lakes in Finland. He had to make up 2 minutes: "Ok. Now you shut up." "Why?" "I know this road since I was 10 years old." "Ok." He then went out and in an insane demonstation of self belief and concentration, made up the time and won the stage and the World Championship. As they pulled up with the brakes smoking and the tires gone, the nav said: "just as well you knew the road" "I didn't."

[@japantuning88]

Your first clue is that when a Swedish guy tells he knows a Finnish road since 10 years old.. :D

[@Enderlais]

Is there a video of that

[@thecockfather82]

@@japantuning88 The navigator just had to understand the joke, only that...

[@rolandoinductivo8013]

son of a.....

[@M1976]

The original Group B riders were much better than those who use these cars today

[@WONGLER]

Group B riders were true MEN, even heroes in my eyes, the cars in the early 80s were so difficult and unpredictable to control , there was no power steering etc.

[@erpedave]

@@WONGLERand true woman ^^

[@petebagwell6666]

The best female driver to ever live, a true legend behind the wheel, these cars were death boxes but I guess when you practice with the most dangerous gear in some of the worst conditions imaginable its gonna train your reaction times alot more

[@M1976]

@@petebagwell6666 gods and a goddess

[@EleanorPeterson]

Great video - thanks for the upload! I don't want to bring anybody down, but I feel someone needs to point out for any KZbin viewers who may not be too familiar with rallying that one very sad difference between regular drivers and the stars of Group-B is that far too many of the latter are no longer with us. These cars were dangerous and insanely difficult to drive. The turbo Quattro that started it all had none of today's 'smart' tech, perfect weight distribution, traction control, intelligent gearboxes, driver-tunable dampers, computer engine management, trick diffs or any of the rest of it. It was a brutal monster once described (very fondly!) as the world's fastest tractor. ;-) I'm certainly not saying that today's competitors have things easy: it still takes enormous skill and courage to drive ANY vehicle at 100%, whether it's got 2 wheels or 4. WRC drivers have to be just as committed as the Group-B guys (and 1 famous French girl) were, but they face different challenges. Things are more technical now, just as they are in Formula 1. A lot of what happened in Group-B was pioneering stuff: brave, professional drivers - test pilots, even - exploring unknown territory. Far too many were lost. It's significant and encouraging that a fatality in rallying is now an unusual and shocking event. [Note: I was a very minor amateur/club rally driver back when this footage was shot. I never got to drive a Group-B car, but I still love them, and the bellowing shriek of Audi's glorious 5-cylinder engine still haunts my dreams.]

[@19SAS]

very well written piece and explains group b very well, yes they are slower than modern WRC cars, at least on tight twisty stages, but the spectacle of controlling these fire spitting mad machines is what, as a young lad of about 20, left me speechless and in awe and admiration of these pilots, true heroes of a time gone by and some were lost to young. The funny thing is not ONE group b driver actually said these cars were too fast, they only said they are too fast for the type of stages they were being raced on, 0=100 as quick as any F1 car of the same era, Group b would not work in this modern times, they just would not be the spectacle they were with all this modern tech making it look all to easy, these sights and sounds will never be seen again in anger and we are the losers for it..

[@joerngrossblotekamp]

Today’s cars are full of technical gadgets and the rallies are way shorter, no night stages. It‘s so different.

[@lex1945]

Audi s1 e2, that engine sounds so angry and evil! I love it! Best sounding group b car ever!

[@missingmac7104]

Pure magic, a true rally car and the best drivers ever❤️🦂

[@galicije83]

My God...that sound of quattro engine....nothing can bit it....inline 5 cylinder....and S1 what a relly legend...Merc fun here...

[@jonassmith230]

Forget the audio and video quality, its friggin Group B we’re talking about. This is the best rally group!

[@bassboygilo]

The best drivers in the history of racing

[@ottiliPY]

There is a big diference when you're driving for a Chanpionship nack in the day for a team. Nowadays those S1 are relics (even as replicas). You dont wanna crash that thing or even break anything... Thanks for the video by the way...😁👍

[@staatssekretardingsbums5592]

Die Audi waren klasse. Bei Sprüngen sind die Audi fast immer mit allen Rädern gelandet im Gegensatz zu den Lancia oder Peugeot. Und wenn ich mir gelegentlich den Clip mit der Fußarbeit von Walter Röhrl ansehe, bekomme ich Gänsehaut. Super Zusammenstellung, Danke 👍

[@19SAS]

Thank you you are welcome, The Peugeot was the worst landing because it had its engine slanted to one side, so would always land crooked, the Audi would always land flat, although the long wheel based models had a tendency to want to land front first, the S1 was much better, Walter was the master

[@LiamRyan-l3b]

S1 swb

[@dublin17anon12]

Love the fan's as the Quattro dances up the road . Group B & Drivers

[@michaellooney1089]

quattro, not Quattro - FACT!

[@EleanorPeterson]

I did a bit of (amateur/club) rallying in the 1980s, and once had the very great pleasure of shaking Hannu Mikkola's hand. End of a night stage (it was snowing on the Lombard), his Quattro over a minute down and shedding oil, but he still took the time for a few friendly words and a smile. What an absolute gent. Anyway, my mates and I didn't call people like him, Alen, Salonen, Mouton, Rohrl, and all the other Group-B greats mere 'drivers'; we called them 'pilots'! :-)

[@19SAS]

great story, he always looked and acted like a true gent

[@arihakkarainen837]

Hyvä Me!Ja Kalle!!

[@mk1gti]

I met Hannu in 1985 when he was testing the Quattro S1 E2, as you said, he was a real gentleman, glad to have shared a few words with him. Later on I was near his car working on my beat up old Datsun 510 adjusting the carburetor. I caught him stealing a glance, he recognized me and winked. I got the impression that if he wasn't in the middle of a race he would have gladly come over to help me out.

[@nicofonce]

Looking at all these people on the road I suddenly realise we are living today in totally different times (+ I'm getting old)

[@pedroebarbosac]

Fuck! Is like releasing an angry and hungry badass bull

[@WONGLER]

GROUP B was for MEN , WRC for Boys

[@lordpetrolhead477]

Spot on and I was told the same with the addition: F1 is infants.

[@raybobuzz]

These Drivers were the Rock Stars of Rally..look at the crowds! do You see that in WRC?

[@zomhby]

there are new safety standards

[@johnnyturbo8460]

This has to be one of the best B rally videos i have seen... 1 because its AWESOME and 2 I'm an Audi fan

[@Dawwwg]

If you want more great Group B on YT, one word: Marvdogger2

[@SuperDi_]

4:14 can we talk about how the car sounds like it's literally trying to kill its driver.

[@thomas-ud1fs]

There's also amazing off throttle chuckle/ruble you'll hear in some cases

[@d.delfano3983]

It's a brapp brapp!! stuu stuu sound from turbo

[@foo4572]

I absolutely loved these and still do , I couldn’t wait to watch the Rallying on BBC2 with William Woolard hosting it back in the 1980s

[@19SAS]

I too remember those days, the anticipation of seeing these beautiful machines, also standing in places like Sutton Park waiting to get a glimpse of them live, i remember those Audis could be heard well before you saw them

[@michaellooney1089]

YES, great memories! Didn't they use the instrumental by Propaganda - Duel??

[@19SAS]

RIP Hannu Mikkola, feel like crying like i did with Henri, didnt know him, but loved that man.

[@stefan-stocksmadesimple5241]

Can you imagine what monsters these cars could've gotten had they not cancelled the series.... unbelievable

[@tt-rs1457]

Driven by the little french girl 🙂 Awesome

[@michaellooney1089]

Yes, I think there was going to be a Group S, which made it into Rallycross.

[@alancrofoot]

I've said it before, Group B rallying was, in many instances, the automotive equivalent of running with the bulls in Pamplona.

[@conjoe176]

"wow, look at all those people on the road.......maximum attack"

[@hehehoho3770]

In the actual group B races the drivers could push the cars to their limits knowing that they have a team of mechanics to fix the car in time for the next stage. Modern drivers are treating the car much more carefully because if anything breaks it will be a pain to repair or replace.

[@russthomson6168]

that magical 5cyl. sound brings tears to my eyes, that short wheelbase hobbyhorse action clinging for grip

[@mariosaderi9096]

Voir la S1 traversant la foule ,avec un bruit hallucinant,est un spectacle incroyable...

[@valjeanjean2540]

La S1 c'est une voiture, un moteur, des ingénieurs,des pilotes de génie !!!!

[@michaeldeel7998]

11:20..... he said to driver,,, so your telling me your not going to go Flat Out.....Driver,,, Yes of Course....we go flat out....lolololol walter

[@sekwanelesekwa3882]

Damn that 5 cylinder sounds good

[@Kevin-rg2ib]

This is my favorite car EVER made! And I hate working on Audi

[@jochenscholz276]

Walter was even the best of all

[@arihakkarainen837]

Kalle!

[@klasseact6663]

Great footage!!🇺🇸

[@gixxerthouk4]

this video should have a 18+ certificate

[@MrGrazzhoppa]

2.5L inline 5 cyl heaven!!!

[@19SAS]

2.110 - to 2.134 approx in Group B trim, they could not use their 2226cc engine as the x 1.4 factor would have taken it over the 3.0ltr max..

[@deancameronkaiser]

This is better than modern day WRC. To race these cars took skill and big balls. Today's WRC cars might be faster yes but they don't come close to the sound, look the group B cars have.

[@dionysquezada9221]

Best sportscar Ever created!

[@richardbryant7505]

You should have a lot more subscribers mate your videos are effing brilliant

[@19SAS]

thank you my friend

[@morbus74]

Spotting the difference between drivers capable of driving b-group cars and REAL b-group drivers is easy, picture and sound quality helps you a lot!

[@guitariste47]

superbe video, un melange d'ancien et de moderne

[@VRLA3B4SP]

Increíble !!!!. Magnífico !!!!. El mejor coche de Rally . Que potencia !!!. Lo de hoy son tortugas

[@DriekjeGif]

❤my young time is this great 🤗i love this so

[@skankhunt896]

German cars = UFO'S 😂 Walter Röhrl+Audi S1=untouchable Audi S1 das beste KFZ was jeh gebaut wurde, seiner zeit Meilen weit vorraus. Einfach nur ne Traumkarre 😍

[@Speedbird61]

skankhunt 89 ... until the Peugeot 205 T 16!

[@V8AmericanMuscleCar]

Didn't Walter Röhrl say the 037 was the best car?

[@sebastiaolussadissu4134]

The only difference that is see is that people didn’t have fear back then 💀 people standing in the way when the beast is coming bloody hell crazy I love it great video btw 😍 that quattro system was lethal and the engin was and still is a masterpiece, cherry on the cake 🍰

[@underwood05]

Brilliant content i even seen the place i live inverness :D Great vid

[@morbus74]

That Audi driver at 4:19...he just keeps the pedal floored.. :D

[@19SAS]

and the guy holding his head, thinking, what the fuck just happened here..

[@utuber200985]

That was Michelle Mouton, the best female driver of the history...

[@markusweissenbock6337]

One of the most awesome scenes in rallying.

[@kristerjonsson6028]

Its the STIG BLOMQVIST

[@michaelandrew4488]

@@kristerjonsson6028 I've slowed the video and opened it up to full screen, and it looks like the driver @ 4:19 has a closed face helmet. Stig Blomqvist always raced with an open face helmet . I think it may be Michele Mouton , who did race with a closed face helmet. Wish I could see the co-driver, but there is too much glare on the windscreen - if the co-driver had an open faced helmet , like used by Fabrizia Pons, that would confirm it.

[@kisut7]

Legend says they are still rallying in heaven. Becoz they really loves rally.

[@turist79]

No sense in mixing original 80-s videos with modern day ones. But anyway nice video, thanks! Never seen some of the records included here. Michele Mouton was mad - beating Pikes Peak record while driving Quattro S1 is a thing.

[@musicsnob4226]

The difference is when a group b driver starts a stage it looks like a demon escaping hell! Audi had no hand break!all those perfect slides done with clutch kicks

[@roby_5259]

Audi S1...best car in the world.

[@cristianvitan5007]

Omg nice

[@bassboygilo]

After Lancia

[@ianmangham4570]

AMAZING

[@donbrashsux]

Best rally car ever..nothin sounds like these monsters

[@donbrashsux]

futea marius salam ..after you repair it..

[@dyslexiusmaximus]

Audi S1 best sounding turbo car?

[@michaeldeel7998]

at 4:20... im pretty sure that was michelle.... she was one amazing girl.

[@mygius1]

the only car in rally was made by audi. hell yea illuminati confirmed.

[@julianv.5848]

GREAT FOOTAGE.... AT THE RAC AND IRELAND IN GROUP B. RALLY, AND THE UP TO DATE FOOTAGE TWO... THE BEST WAY TO GET THE ESSENCE OF GASOLINE ON A PC. IS TO SEE A GOOD PILOT, IN A QUATTRO LEGEND........BEETS KEN BLOCK 🙌 🙌

[@19SAS]

Ken block is very good at going around things he has had time to look at in advance, lol.... you cannot beat GrB

[@pascalraymondlaborie4619]

L'AUDI était un monstre du groupe B ainsi que les autres marques. De vraies bolides de rallye disparues trop vite pour ceux qui ont vécu et connu ces années là. La différence était aussi la popularité de ces époques ceux qui est très différent aujourd'hui vu ce sont des voitures de Mr tout le monde produite en nombre illimité.

[@sgtmiklin]

Des conditions de sécurité inadaptées à l'époque par rapport à ces autos....car aujourd'hui ces voitures pourraient courir avec les conditions actuelles, mais bon, c'était beau et à l'époque ça nous a beaucoup fait rêver. Quand la S1 montait la spéciale de Burzet en clous sur l'asphalte car glace en haut ça me s'oublie jamais....🤩

[@pascalchauvet7625]

To me it seems apparenrent that only the then-group-B-drivers really knew how to race these beasts in four-wheel-drifts

[@jeffsevcik742]

Lol O

[@kathehun6034]

Group-B Forever !!!

[@m.g.4569]

I heard from the mouth of a vintage driver in 1986 that when they played with the wheel of the turbo power could rise to almost 700 hp...

[@klasseact6663]

M. G. ....S4 made 1000 hp with 5 bar of boost on the dyno!

[@halilhaliloglu464]

such a nice car I have 2 of them my love

[@paullacey2999]

Special era!Drivers were very brave.Hundreds of horsepower,brakes that couldnt cope.Yup They had guts alright.

[@iRQ.s]

You have to have big balls to drive those

[@FROOBELINKALIKAT-p9z]

Hannu Mikkola The best driver .Rest in peace .

[@jamess9384]

I guesstimate that today, I could drive a Lancia Delta S4 at approximately 50 percent of its capability for 15-20-ish minutes before losing my pooh.

[@ibraimcosta8589]

Estar em casa, contra o Corona virus, e ver os vossos vídeos ( + ralyes) é qualquer coisa de muito bom!!! 😜😂😂👌Muito Obrigado 👍e continuem a mostrar este bom trabalho. 👍Parabéns 👏👏👏👏

[@19SAS]

espero que esteja tudo bem, e obrigado por suas amáveis ​​palavras, mantenha-se seguro

[@Surestick88]

Best? No. Most iconic? Arguably. By all accounts their handling was a bit flawed with the weird weight distribution due to engine placement. You can even see this in a lot of the videos from Group B, the Quattro looks less composed than the other front runners. Audi themselves were developing a mid engine car to replace it in Group S which is an indication of flaws they were looking to address. The best looking Group B car is, of course, subjective but my vote goes to the 037.

[@19SAS]

Not quite my friend, Audi Sport (Not Audi) built a mid-engined quattro around late 1983-early 84 against instructions from Audi top brass, when Audi found out they told Audi Sport to get rid of it, it went against their principles of having their rally car "Moderately" like their road cars. You are right, it would have been an uphill battle to stay with the mid-engined cars, but they werent that far behind. the S1 only had 6 rallies, lead 3 of them b4 having issues and won one. Mikkola set records in the 1000 lakes 1985 thats i believe still remain unbeaten, i could be wrong, It was more the engine being to far forward of the front axle, as apposed to being front engined that handicapped it. Todays shopping trolley rally cars prove that with clever technology you can make a 300hp front engined car faster, if not as fast, as a 550hp mid engined car. To maker the S1 beat or compete with the rest of the field was actually quite easy for Audi, its just they would not change their principles, to do so would have make their concept seem flawed. Group S was a joke, stupid one off cars so glad they never came to light. I do agree with you tho the 037 is a beautiful car, as apposed to looking like a brute like the rest of them.

[@viki008]

The SOUND--------

[@fathertimedevourer3599]

My dream car!!!

[@max27stoner]

Why just footage of Audi? I mean Group B was much more than just about Quattro. I mean I love that Audi and its sound but all those other famous Group B cars: S4, 205 T16, RS200, 6R4 were unbelievable machines too. They were all amazing cars in their own way.

[@19SAS]

I also have other videos to the other vehicles you mention individually and also mixed, but the Audi one seems to attract more attention

[@max27stoner]

Paul ok thanks. The title of this video is just a bit misleading

[@19SAS]

@@max27stoner yes i can see that now you mention it

[@ka-bx5vl]

7:34 i cant stop smiling :D

[@ianmangham4570]

1:16

[@chunder27]

8.37. That is the PDK car that rohrl used in 85 RAC yes? Never knew that was still around?

[@angelodagnolo984]

when man was the CPU of the machine not intel outstanding capability these rally drivers had, just amazing to watch.

[@chiorniibumer4723]

Audi S1 Sport Quattro FTW !!!

[@michaellooney1089]

quattro, not Quattro - it's a fact!

[@ShrinkWrapping]

it's important to note the courses that are used these days are not even similar in terrain, length, or difficulty, perhaps we could bring group B back by controlling viewing areas and crowds instead of making the cars and courses boring.

[@19SAS]

Nice idea, but we could not have Group B back with modern electronics tho........

[@hermank9169]

It for sure could not be called group B. Way too stigmatized even today. An experimental "E" could work.

[@arnebuchmann9780]

1:16 That Turbo

[@joelviiankorpi4964]

Nää on parhaita ❤ These are the best!!!

[@daystatesniper01]

When group B stopped so did i

[@19SAS]

i feel your pain

[@Revup1]

Great video Paul, but Group B was more than Audi! I do like the S1's and E2's though.

[@jolicska]

4:21 dude suddenly realised: "fuck it Im gonna divorce and sell the house to get one of these quatros"

[@webdeuce]

bring back group B

[@nickchu7743]

touch the limit vs drive carefully Nevertheless, Group B is LEGEND

[@ungurdani8346]

Salut my friend super car super video subscribe subscribe ...

[@christianenriquezmichel1787]

Que maravilla 🥰 El grupo B 💪

[@extraglutenplz3758]

soooooo where are all the other group B cars?

[@Speedbird61]

ExtraGlutenPlz Especially the Peugeot 205 T16 which started to dominate before the dramatic end of the Group B... even if I also liked the Lancias and the Audis (the sound).

[@kurvinipuh]

Kickstart My Heart

[@6ixss]

You just made my day 8:38

[@sgtmiklin]

Les vieilles vidéos de l'époque 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@ETIMOSLAETUS]

9:04 fucking hell those flames

[@Paganiproductions84]

With modern tech those old group b cars be even more insane and safer example Bruno Ianelllo Lancia s4 cars

[@19SAS]

bet they would be boring to watch though, better when they on the limit of their abilities i think

[@Onefootinthechill]

Modern wrc is as fast as grp b and modern wrc goes round corners too. Still love the grp b.

[@rijkemans5114]

I'm not sure. Easier to control yes, but crash protection was something of an afterthought in the 80s and early 90s. Even regular production cars were often potential death traps. It's not thát strange that Group A claimed lives as well (I believe even more lives among competitors) and I doubt Ott Tanak and his co-driver would've been unharmed from that somersault a few years ago if that had happened in a Group A or Group B car.

[@19Edurne]

Real title should read "Audi4 cars in group B"...

[@Dodger0103]

If you got to drive this car at that time , you were a God, or one certain person was the Queen of rally. God save the Queen 🤴

[@storymoto]

wonderful...adrenaline...💯

[@storymoto]

Mouton ..💝

[@deafyboy86]

Roldo Roldano She was with Peugeot in the S1 E2 days wasn't she?

[@19SAS]

Only after Audi pulled out, she drove an S1 E2 briefly in the British championship

[@donbrashsux]

The fastest women driver ever..

[@gixxerthouk4]

audi s1 arguably the best car ever built, and definately the best sound ever

[@confusedredditor1660]

2:57 xD that understeer

[@johngalt6929]

What creates that high pitched squealing sound?

[@privateuser9303]

If I could like this thrice I would

[@markusweissenbock6337]

Real Rallye-Drivers are constantly on the edge of friciton.

[@ЛЁХА-ь2в]

2:26 после прыжка он продолжал ехать на задней оси

[@evans3304]

Yeah I know. It's crazy. Always looks like it's trying pull wheel stands and when you combine it with the sound there's nothing else like it.

[@xxcoconutoilxx]

They do be jumping doe