Group B: The Race That Killed Its Own Fans

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Group B Rally is the most insane racing the world has ever seen. But along with the immense speed, came immense tragedy...
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@spacetoaster7
@spacetoaster7 Жыл бұрын
Always wondered how much longer Group B would have lasted if they took action to fix it’s problems sooner
@vilkku3922
@vilkku3922 Жыл бұрын
a year longer and it would have been replaced by group s
@bennyb.1742
@bennyb.1742 Жыл бұрын
The idea was basically not to fix the problems, double down and effectively have people run LMP cars on dirt to be even more insane. Group S would have been really silly.
@vilkku3922
@vilkku3922 Жыл бұрын
@Raspian Kiado and cars having basically no safety features
@johanstjern4118
@johanstjern4118 Жыл бұрын
Then it would have been replaced by group S which would have been a disaster. LMP cars that are not based on road cars is a dream by executives who dont understand the fans and the car guys. Also a pipedream for the one or two team with the most money. It always ends in loss of intrest from the fans and teams jumping off cuz of higher dev cost to be competetive.
@midlifeparty
@midlifeparty Жыл бұрын
@@bennyb.1742 LMP on dirt 😄😄😄😄😄💀
@janelavie4115
@janelavie4115 Жыл бұрын
Henri Toivonen in an interview just before the crash: ”This is crazy. We are driving in this rally more kilometres in a day than the whole Rally Sweden. It’s not about physical fatigue, but mental. Brains do not follow.” Those were his last words.
@sidvyas8549
@sidvyas8549 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@AgentStir
@AgentStir Жыл бұрын
Every time someone dies in a race, they know it's coming.
@GFY127
@GFY127 10 ай бұрын
Yep.. I've seen the interview... I've seen Henri Toivonen and hannu mikkola protest about the events being too long and not being able to maintain concentration.... in fact after Toivonen's death the events were finally shortened somewhat.
@janelavie4115
@janelavie4115 10 ай бұрын
@@GFY127 Yes. Once again had to kill somebody first.
@AaronD492
@AaronD492 10 ай бұрын
His last recorded words
@thatkamz
@thatkamz Жыл бұрын
Rally in Portugal was insane. It was like the country stopped just for the races. My mother, the safest, calmest and most cautious person in the world, to this day says that her biggest dream is to be inside a rally car while it zooms through the road. That's how insane rally was in Portugal. One of my earliest ever memories, is being at a rally with my parents, them running just to get the perfect spot to show me the cars
@kwanshawn
@kwanshawn Жыл бұрын
God, watching those people stand so close to the track is absolutely bonkers
@dansihvonen8218
@dansihvonen8218 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you can't be much closer when you are on the actual track.
@hundkebab2433
@hundkebab2433 Жыл бұрын
morons should've gotten wasted sooner
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 Жыл бұрын
@@dansihvonen8218 Absolute madness. You'd see them facing down the cars sometimes too... what the hell?! I've seen cars have to slow down to avoid hitting Darwin hopefuls quite a few times over the years.
@mikezelinski4945
@mikezelinski4945 Жыл бұрын
They're idiots Could you imagine fans on the track at Road America?
@JohnnyGification
@JohnnyGification Жыл бұрын
Why would you guys call it bonkers and madness? Wouldn't it be more on the side of stupidity?
@TheBlaert
@TheBlaert Жыл бұрын
After Group B ended a lot of the cars were modified even further and became Rallycross monsters. I used to watch them testing at an aerodrome where I grew up and those things were shockingly fast
@littlepoolefam3
@littlepoolefam3 Жыл бұрын
Hey, man! I have been watching a few of your videos, and I have to say that I appreciate what you do for your viewers. I am 51 and used to race go-karts with the likes of Bryan Herta, one or two of the Pedregon brothers, and Page Jones, and a lot has happened since then. Of course, all of them went on to do bigger and better things, with the exception of Page Jones' life changing accident. Since those days, I haven't been involved much in the racing scene, but I have tried to keep up as best as I can, so watching your videos has been a little refreshing. It has brought back some memories, good and bad, but it is obvious that you do your homework before posting. Thank you for doing this. Again, it is refreshing to watch your videos, especially to see someone much younger than I am be so involved in doing what you do. Keep up the good work, brother!
@ethantran178
@ethantran178 Жыл бұрын
One of the reasons I love group b, was that the drivers weren't rivals,well, not as much as other racing types, they all banded together to get their voices out and i find that incredible, that doesn't happen too often
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@kaushikraikar1105
@kaushikraikar1105 Жыл бұрын
I think it happens because drivers don't see each other during racing as well, since they all focus on racing against nature more than to each other.
@ethantran178
@ethantran178 Жыл бұрын
@@kaushikraikar1105 Yeah, but imo drivers should interact more with each other
@andrewharris7868
@andrewharris7868 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was a time where driver's mostly partied and drank beer together. Less ego, more comradely
@Narayan_Patki
@Narayan_Patki Жыл бұрын
@@kaushikraikar1105 that sounds viable given that downhill mountain biking has the same "racing against nature" focus and has the same comradery. its unlikely that is a coincidence.
@chrisdingley9277
@chrisdingley9277 Жыл бұрын
How those people can stand on a racetrack without worrying about the risks blows my mind
@yourhandlehere1
@yourhandlehere1 Жыл бұрын
As you go through life you will find that quite a lot of humans are just plain stupid.
@bigal3109
@bigal3109 Жыл бұрын
“Safety” in numbers
@potatojake197
@potatojake197 Жыл бұрын
Y'all are just boring 🥱
@chrisdingley9277
@chrisdingley9277 Жыл бұрын
@@potatojake197 boring?? 🤣 i just don’t wanna die lad
@potatojake197
@potatojake197 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisdingley9277 That's a tad boring
@Daferpare
@Daferpare Жыл бұрын
I'm portuguese, and my father went to that Portugal race when he was a teenager. He was a few curves away from where the accident happened so he didn't see it, but he still remembers seeing heavily injured people, some missing legs, when he was leaving. Rally Group B was so crazy, it's even hard to believe that it was allowed in the first place.
@corail53
@corail53 Жыл бұрын
They could have kept it going, all they needed to do was better spectator managment.
@stellviahohenheim
@stellviahohenheim 11 ай бұрын
​@@corail53no it's a good solution to overpopulation
@mau5yb0y182
@mau5yb0y182 9 ай бұрын
It should still be around, but spectators have to ruin everything. How hard is it to see that a car is barrelling down the road towards you at over 110kmh? Get off and away from the fucking road.
@lukewoodside9420
@lukewoodside9420 9 ай бұрын
Group B was fine. The issue was spectators being allowed on / near the track.
@ZeroESG.goopootoob
@ZeroESG.goopootoob 8 ай бұрын
"Allowed?" People should be free to race. The fans on the sidelines were the idiots. Let them be idiots too. This should be titled, _The Fans That Killed Their Own Race._
@redist4088
@redist4088 9 ай бұрын
group B objective: 1. win 2. alive (optionable)
@APlagueOfButterflies
@APlagueOfButterflies Жыл бұрын
I saw this in Portugal as a teenager and I feel in love with rally. Portuguese spectators are insane!
@cerberus1166
@cerberus1166 Жыл бұрын
i absolutely love how you said exactly how it is. group B didnt have to go. they should have listened to the drivers and limited spectator contact and made safer cages.
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@user-qw1cf8zl2c Жыл бұрын
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@0xsergy
@0xsergy Жыл бұрын
safer cages are heavier. and teams were already using cardboard for cages to pass inspections.
@iggiewalsh2237
@iggiewalsh2237 Жыл бұрын
rally driving is inherently dangerous. that danger is magnified tenfold when you have large sponsorships like visa
@cerberus1166
@cerberus1166 Жыл бұрын
@@0xsergy so are turbos but they were fine with throwing those on instead of developing better engines.
@0xsergy
@0xsergy Жыл бұрын
@@cerberus1166 turbod engines have the best powr to weight tho. You can only do so much with 14.8psi atmo pressure.
@asedkarim7551
@asedkarim7551 Жыл бұрын
Honestly so sad to see, group B created some of the best cars ever. Would love to see it come back.
@bennyb.1742
@bennyb.1742 Жыл бұрын
I mean, it pretty much is. Modern hybrid WRC is basically Group B from space.
@beatles42ohgg94
@beatles42ohgg94 Жыл бұрын
@@bennyb.1742 no, very very far from the truth. the only reason drivers are faster now is the batman preparation theory. they keep the roads maintained and every team has an entire R&D department dedicated year around to helping these people get the best times . group B drivers did it with a few low speed test runs and faith in their co driver.
@beatles42ohgg94
@beatles42ohgg94 Жыл бұрын
@Raspian Kiado it really had nothing to do with the spectators. since there was such lack in regulation, there was a lot of speculation that most teams would eventually cheat the few safety rules they had nobody talks enough about the paper mache roll cages.. little bits of flimsy metal shouldnt be the only remnants of these cars. like, a lot of the crashes you couldnt find the roll cages. just the thin strips used to keep the body mods on
@The_One_Over_There
@The_One_Over_There Жыл бұрын
i feel like it could be both, The cars, And the spectators. If the cars were safer but the spectators were still messing with the drivers trying to trip them and sabotaging certain drivers, Something bad was bound to happen there at some point. But same goes the other way around, If the cars didn't change, Something would probably still go horribly wrong due to the way they were even without spectators jumping in. But that's just my 2 cents though.
@kelzuya
@kelzuya Жыл бұрын
@@The_One_Over_There Also any team could hypothetically pay someone to stand in front of a rivals car (whilst pretending to be a spectator)
@miata_man5632
@miata_man5632 Жыл бұрын
Group B was incredible, I truly wish I would've been alive to witness it in person. I doubt there will ever be another motorsport quite like it.
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 Жыл бұрын
True. A very unique page in motorsport!
@somebodysomeone3231
@somebodysomeone3231 Жыл бұрын
there is a other motorsport much , much more dangerous of this and it's called TT man of isle check it out !!! those dudes are insane !
@derpydood9986
@derpydood9986 Жыл бұрын
There’s Isle of Man tt
@sidvyas8549
@sidvyas8549 Жыл бұрын
@@somebodysomeone3231 those dudes are next level. Absolute madmen
@91lemlem
@91lemlem Жыл бұрын
Only the 2nd video of yours I've seen as I only stumbled on your channel recently and you have a new subscriber. Even though I already know the content being covered it's great to see it being covered in a different way, by a passionate fan. Keep up the great work.
@adrianbianco127
@adrianbianco127 Жыл бұрын
I just found this Channel today! Will share with my friends! This man is great, passionate historian! Truly I have learned so much from these videos and the editing is incredible! I can’t wait for the next video!!!😊
@Meipuruu
@Meipuruu Жыл бұрын
No matter how many videos I watch about Group B, I never get bored of it. Great video!
@johnbernhardtsen3008
@johnbernhardtsen3008 Жыл бұрын
crazy hardcore fans too! I remember a winner of Group B met a fan he actually hit and broke the fans leg!he apologized, and the fan got angry with him!he said "You won Group B, you dont apologize!" over 800 horsepower on a car Less than 800 kilos!dual turbo was a bit overkill!
@cabbage4118
@cabbage4118 3 ай бұрын
for real i can watch audi quattro rally vids forever
@Bjorgolf553
@Bjorgolf553 Жыл бұрын
Can confirm the crash of Joaquim Santos, one of the women i worked with on my first job is the daughter of one of Santos team meachanic and hearing her talk about it and how her father saw Santos still in shock after getting back to them was mind blowing. I can also confirm that we Portuguese are crazy about motorsport, be it Rally, Rallycross, Hillclimb, F1 or MotoGP. If it has wheels and an engine, we go crazy over it
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@Bjorgolf553
@Bjorgolf553 Жыл бұрын
@@Coop_De_La_Woop you don't get much love and attention at home, do you?
@Optical_slay3r
@Optical_slay3r Жыл бұрын
@@Bjorgolf553 what ever he said was bad enough for the reply to be hidden for me so...
@jesuschristiscallingyou953
@jesuschristiscallingyou953 Жыл бұрын
You Portuguese are just passionate people. It's in your DNA. 😁
@Bjorgolf553
@Bjorgolf553 Жыл бұрын
@@jesuschristiscallingyou953 oh yeah, that's for sure. Once i got my license i got passionate about cars and then i got passionate about motorcycles and got my motorcycle license
@tomlepski8306
@tomlepski8306 Жыл бұрын
Man, looking at your image as you give the narrative, you are a relatively young man and certainly wasn't around during the group B era but boy, your research is superb, impeccable,accurate,and well done. I was around and witnessed it all, collected lots of material from the Teams at the time and I can tell you, you've nailed it spot on. Good job mate!
@yurischwartz9879
@yurischwartz9879 Жыл бұрын
I love watching videos of Group B races. They're just so raw and visceral compared to any of their counterparts.
@simplyskrypt3914
@simplyskrypt3914 Жыл бұрын
I guess visceral is an appropriate choice of words after your car splatters 32 people's internal organs in a single crash
@David-qw5vr
@David-qw5vr Жыл бұрын
@@simplyskrypt3914 bloody hell
@simplyskrypt3914
@simplyskrypt3914 Жыл бұрын
@@David-qw5vr yeah that too
@ExaltedDuck
@ExaltedDuck Жыл бұрын
Ever see the short film Climb Dance? It's glorious. Ari Vatanen's 1988 record-breaking run up Pike's Peak in a 4-wheel steering Peugot 405 Turbo 16 design for Group S... The editing is sublime.
@MoskusMoskiferus1611
@MoskusMoskiferus1611 Жыл бұрын
@@simplyskrypt3914. That reminds me of some Le Mans accident
@ScammedKid420
@ScammedKid420 Жыл бұрын
Rally fans haven't changed, I attended WRC Rally Croatia this year and I stood on a hill before a hairpin, a lot of people stood on the outside of a decently fast hairpin when the road was wet, a marshal came before the event started and told the people to go away but after the marshal left more and more people came back to the hairpin. There were like 30-50 people behind the guardrail of the hairpin
@Wish_I_was_Righteous
@Wish_I_was_Righteous Жыл бұрын
So the spectators are also the fucking issue
@cjolney
@cjolney Жыл бұрын
@@Wish_I_was_Righteous the spectators are THEE main fucking issue. Sadly it doesn't matter, a group of people would get hit by a car and almost die, and they'll be right back next year standing in the same spot.
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 Жыл бұрын
I also saw footage of a recent rally event where idiots were setting off rockets and fireworks on a fast right hander in the dark. I'd have the lot carted off and given a lifetime ban.
@solracer66
@solracer66 Жыл бұрын
I worked service for a friend of mine at the last Group B rally, the 1986 Olympus Rally in Tacoma Washington. But my buddy wasn't even close to a Group B driver, his car of choice was a SAAB 96 which was reaching the end of its eligibility. So the last Group B rally was also the last WRC rally for the venerable SAAB 96! Unfortunately my friend's car gave out about half-way through, regulating us to spectators. We were well aware of what had happened earlier in the year and took some precautions (made easier by the small crowds compared to Europe) but in retrospect in a couple of cases maybe not enough (though I was standing next to Steve Millen at one point so it's not like we were clueless newbies compared to everyone else, that's just the way it was. It did make for some good memories and some inside access as since we were part of the rally we had access to the drivers and other team workers that we would not have had otherwise. I also spectated at the '87 and '80 Olympus WRC rallies but they weren't the same as that 1986 race which I will never forget!
@Alexandros1972P
@Alexandros1972P Жыл бұрын
Your videos are true tutorials of the automotive and racing history!! Keep on the great job you're doing!
@marcosantos1547
@marcosantos1547 Жыл бұрын
The memories I have from group B will for ever stay with me, I remember as a kid going to Sintra in Portugal 🇵🇹 with my family and see these monster cars and drivers on the narrow roads, the smells, noises and the roar of the crowds it’s too hard to describe. What a great thing it was but times change. Now to get close to this kind of experience only at the Isle of Man 🇮🇲 TT 😮
@pedroluis758
@pedroluis758 Жыл бұрын
Portuguese here! I was a teenager at that time. I enjoyed so much those competitions.
@mikezelinski4945
@mikezelinski4945 Жыл бұрын
You were fortunate
@andregon4366
@andregon4366 Жыл бұрын
I was born in 83. By the time I realised it, Group B was over a long time ago.
@JohnDRambo
@JohnDRambo Жыл бұрын
The Isle is on a completely different level..
@Randompersonyouwontseeagain
@Randompersonyouwontseeagain Жыл бұрын
@Marco Santos my dad has been on TV at isle of man rally he drove the Cash for kids in 2008 I think
@Canalbiruta
@Canalbiruta Жыл бұрын
Yup, the reason why i loved rally so much. Watching group B era of rally was mesmerizing not only because the cars were fast, but also that the drivers were so skilled that they could pull off crazy corners in such fast cars driving on dirt and gravel.
@sened1245
@sened1245 Жыл бұрын
It was the most exciting but also the most tragic period of rallying.
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@Albon-zu2bg Жыл бұрын
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@ghostdv1239
@ghostdv1239 Жыл бұрын
Even after these gruesome incidents group B still is and will continue being remembered with fondness for the legendary cars and drivers it had
@bastard748
@bastard748 Жыл бұрын
You are not the first KZbinr to do an analysis of Group B, but I most certainly enjoyed yours more. A Razor-sharp intellect coupled with a prodigious amount of hard-core research and spiced to perfection by being a good narrator. I think you've overtaken Hunter's Moon
@albonfilms
@albonfilms Жыл бұрын
Hunter's Moon is fantastic! Love his analysis and of course his deep voice!
@mr.mr.2318
@mr.mr.2318 Жыл бұрын
I've seen it all, I thought, for Group B on KZbin and beyond, but I still learned something new from this video :)
@ghstie
@ghstie Жыл бұрын
Somebody wants a thousand bucks!
@fxnr1r
@fxnr1r Жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms one of the most balanced voice ever.
@nibbacheese3787
@nibbacheese3787 Жыл бұрын
I love both but Hunters Moon takes quite a while to upload tho
@kirkfengel373
@kirkfengel373 Жыл бұрын
Nicely presented: good energy, interesting info, excellent lack of smarm. Cheers!
@albonfilms
@albonfilms Жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@D3Vlicious
@D3Vlicious Жыл бұрын
One thing to remember that the "Groups" were used in motorsport in general and not just rally. Group A actually competed in both rally and sports cars and Group B sport cars were also in the works from Porsche and Ferrari. It was only Group C that was purely sports prototypes which didn't get used in rally.
@navalhodossantos
@navalhodossantos 8 ай бұрын
Very good video! Thank you and congrats from a Portuguese “small” rally driver!
@lelleck0077
@lelleck0077 Жыл бұрын
My dad was at one of the group b races and told me about it. He said it gave him pure adrenaline being this close to the cars
@vic98auto
@vic98auto Жыл бұрын
The 80s.... Crazy times but memorable ones. Those that saw those monster cars will never forget.
@Ghostie.
@Ghostie. 7 ай бұрын
This was a great mini doc. Thanks dude!
@ccrider3435
@ccrider3435 Жыл бұрын
Another fantastic production Albon! Great work, thank you.
@alvinpunnackal3147
@alvinpunnackal3147 Жыл бұрын
Group was the pinnacle of rally racing. It was the answer to the question" how far could we go in the ultimate pursuit of speed"?. There has never been anything like it before and after. But it came at a cost.
@alexcarrara8140
@alexcarrara8140 Жыл бұрын
Hey, if people are dumb, they pay the price. I would have totally continued it.
@manictiger
@manictiger 11 ай бұрын
​@@alexcarrara8140 I mostly care about the people in the cars, their safety and their mental health. But yeah, they definitely should have mandated Mad-Max style grille guards, among other things.
@stpbasss3773
@stpbasss3773 5 ай бұрын
​@@alexcarrara8140The drivers were complaining they couldn't keep up with these insane cars. Screw the spectator thing these cars were straight up deadly for the drivers.
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 4 ай бұрын
​@@stpbasss3773which sadly happened to Bettega and Toivonen. As well as 3 spectators.
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 4 ай бұрын
​@@stpbasss3773which sadly happened to Bettega and Toivonen. As well as 3 spectators.
@JuanHernandez-pz2mx
@JuanHernandez-pz2mx Жыл бұрын
The spectators were literally 'bullfighting' the cars, I say those that got caught up got what they were looking for.
@frosthammer917
@frosthammer917 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but the mental toll it takes on the driver, who wants no part in that, must be insane. That's what pisses me off about letting spectators onto the tracks.
@kennethgray7020
@kennethgray7020 5 ай бұрын
I'm not even into rally car racing, but I gotta say - this video was still super interesting and entertaining. I didn't know a thing about rally racing before watching this. So I learned quite a bit. If I ever was to get into racing it would be stuff like this that would be my focus. Super cool stuff that looks like it would be fun to be a part of. Thanks for making this video and sharing it with us! 👍 Have a good one and ✌️ out!
@Missch_1
@Missch_1 Жыл бұрын
CONGRATS ON 200K!!!
@SuddenDeath507
@SuddenDeath507 Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see a race just once. It looks primal.
@Franko384
@Franko384 Жыл бұрын
You should go see a modern WRC Event. The top class cars are much faster than the group b cars.
@SuddenDeath507
@SuddenDeath507 Жыл бұрын
@@Franko384 That's fair. I'm thinking of how it would be like seeing a movie in theaters instead of on DVD. Nothing beats seeing it in the fresh format.
@realQuiGon
@realQuiGon Жыл бұрын
@@Franko384 While they the modern WRC cars can indeed go much faster through a stage than group B cars, they lack the raw power and especially the imperfectness of group B cars, as the modern WRC cars are full with high tech stuff that makes it much easier to drive them than a Group B car, making the driving much more perfect and thus more boring (but safer!) than the wild action of Group B, where drivers constantly had to fight the car to stay on course.
@Franko384
@Franko384 Жыл бұрын
@@realQuiGon 380 HP+ is definitely enough power. And don't forget about the ridicoulus 50 meter+ Jumps the new rally cars can take without shattering.
@Franko384
@Franko384 Жыл бұрын
@@realQuiGon For me, the thing that sets group b apart from modern rally is the variety. Modern WRC Cars all sound similar and share a lot of components, while group b cars had very different approaches to their design phylosophy. The modern WRC cars are less interesting but more exciting, if that makes sense.
@alidurrani8622
@alidurrani8622 Жыл бұрын
I love watching your videos. Thanks for the content.
@albonfilms
@albonfilms Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them! Thank you for watching!
@KA._.144
@KA._.144 6 ай бұрын
Group B: The Race That Killed Its Own Fans Le Mans 1955: he hasnt seen nothing yet
@timo55x
@timo55x 7 ай бұрын
Great video, I love the group B cars. Cool to see some deeper history about them.
@Takumitsuu
@Takumitsuu Жыл бұрын
I never knew anything about group B rally before this video! Albon, you made a great documentary!
@albonfilms
@albonfilms Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@TheAcethunder32
@TheAcethunder32 Жыл бұрын
Group B was so exciting to watch. Fans knew the risk.
@rhuttrho88
@rhuttrho88 Жыл бұрын
They got what they wanted!
@stealtoe9036
@stealtoe9036 Жыл бұрын
Exactly just don't bring your kids
@ishankelkar4347
@ishankelkar4347 Жыл бұрын
@@stealtoe9036 😏
@ianactually
@ianactually Жыл бұрын
The fans didn't know the risk, that's the whole point. "Fans" didn't know the chance that when pushing hard, the car might strike a rock or log on the apex and launch itself into 50 spectators too close by, or fall off a ditch in a power slide and catapult into a 'safe' space of families and amateur photographers. Those were the risks. It was exciting, it was almost beyond belief, but it was the lack of crowd control that killed it.
@sankaplays3098
@sankaplays3098 Жыл бұрын
Its not about the fans, its about the drivers, what if you kill a dude because he wanted to touch your car zooming past at 100 MPH?
@Mag_Nus32
@Mag_Nus32 Жыл бұрын
Really good video, nice work all round
@Nacimin
@Nacimin 5 ай бұрын
Exceptional work in narrating Group B history! Well done!!
@gusparlow
@gusparlow Жыл бұрын
I've been preparing my wheels for paint this last days and I have to say this was one of the best videos to watch while I work on my car. Keep it up
@calebyoung1018
@calebyoung1018 Жыл бұрын
You are a great story teller and I always find myself checking to see if you've uploaded. I've always wanted to know more about rally, so I appreciate you making this video
@semme01
@semme01 Жыл бұрын
Awesome storytelling, Albon!! That video was over in a blink of an eye!!
@BuilderLee72
@BuilderLee72 Жыл бұрын
Have to say, excellent work on sifting through the minefield that was Group B rallying during the 80's. Blessings be upon you
@Fabiani930
@Fabiani930 Жыл бұрын
Portuguese here- thanks for the shout out. we are actually rally crazy here. too bad there´s no more F1 tho. with the exceptions of the last two years haha
@rust405
@rust405 Жыл бұрын
I bleeding love rallying. You covered Group B in a much better way than others.
@kpkp7094
@kpkp7094 Жыл бұрын
10:35 You forgot to mention there that one major reason for his death was the rollcage since after some investigation they found out that the roll cage was made out of paper which made the car very fragile
@bigd5899
@bigd5899 Жыл бұрын
I saw an interview with röhrl recently and the way he described the lancia 037‘s roll cage was nothing short of terrifying. He said that you could see it flex when going over bumps and knew all along that a crash meant certain death. its crazy that they raced these things under rally conditions.
@PepinCar
@PepinCar Жыл бұрын
OMG finally a saab 96 in the video and a saab 99 THANK YOU i love you put them in!
@JackMildwaters
@JackMildwaters Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. It's awesome that our off-road motorsport today, especially desert racing, still has the spirt and feels of the immortal group b. When talking about these topics, people need to realise that motosport is dangerous even today. There's a reason Mercedes pulled out of racing for a crazy amount of years or that 50 something drivers have died in f1 since debut. I believe at the bottom line it makes it worth doing. As they say, the closer you are to death, the more you feel alive!
@Albon-zu2bg
@Albon-zu2bg Жыл бұрын
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@GT-Z-
@GT-Z- Жыл бұрын
You're staring to become one of my top 5 automotive youtube channels ! Great video as always
@albonfilms
@albonfilms Жыл бұрын
I am very humbled you think so! We just want to spread the love of cars 😊
@aleisterhanley151
@aleisterhanley151 Жыл бұрын
Lmao that's sad, literal self report
@DanielAsato98
@DanielAsato98 Жыл бұрын
It never gets old learning about Group B, you certainly made it even more interesting!
@crowntug
@crowntug Жыл бұрын
Group B will forever be remembered as one of the most exciting motorsports!
@Albon-zu2bg
@Albon-zu2bg Жыл бұрын
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@alexjones4679
@alexjones4679 Жыл бұрын
As always, great content man, good stuff. Gotta say though, the statement "no hp limits" is a bit misleading, perhaps 'unreasonably high' is more accurate haha. However, this was a brilliantly put together and informative and full of obvious passion for the sport.
@Patronciozo
@Patronciozo Жыл бұрын
The group B always felt like something out of this world, I was something that was meant to end. "An long joy ends in sorrow"...
@haydnredx
@haydnredx Жыл бұрын
Imagine if group B was still around today. Wonder how it would be like
@Viper-ih3yt
@Viper-ih3yt Жыл бұрын
Insane. That’s the only answer. Imagine what we could do with things like Vtec and more advance turbos. Along with the wider use of carbon fiber parts it would just be insane.
@jean-micheldupont1150
@jean-micheldupont1150 Жыл бұрын
Pikes Peak's race is quite close concerning car regulations, too bad they paved the road because of some eco lunatics
@imagehunter1
@imagehunter1 Жыл бұрын
I love Albon’s material and presentation 👍🏼great stuff…keep it up 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@bralmeidapt
@bralmeidapt Жыл бұрын
I was there when the accident took place in Portugal - the place was so packed that there were even people standing on the trees…
@freyjames4663
@freyjames4663 Жыл бұрын
This is eye opening. I can see how much you put in so much work on this topic. I love watching your videos 😇.
@mm6705
@mm6705 Жыл бұрын
That a legend. Actually giving credit to the youtube channel the particular clip is from...Thats respectful. Every channel needs to take notes
@George_Lazaridis
@George_Lazaridis Жыл бұрын
I still remember the mastermind of Lancia behind them fighting the legendary audi Quattro's. Incredible stuff.
@PowerstrokeSynd
@PowerstrokeSynd Жыл бұрын
New subscriber, great content and production.
@bohoaDev
@bohoaDev Жыл бұрын
I was sad this video ended. Great video of the era! Thanks
@captainnope747
@captainnope747 Жыл бұрын
The Stratos will always be one of my favorite cars, even if it wasn't in Group B. It's like a little flying saucer for the dirt, with a cool over cabin wing
@maxskogh6289
@maxskogh6289 Жыл бұрын
Having been to Finnish wrc rally in the 90s was so much different from today. The barrier was a plastic safety tape and if you ventured out into the woods, there were huge gaps in where no barrier existed. Now every meter of the rally stages has guardrails or guards. You can only watch from specified zones. Going to a rally stage is not as fun anymore. Its too crowded and you see better from the TV. The special stages and the mechanics area is the only place worth it, at least with how expensive the entry fees are
@tonyelberg7814
@tonyelberg7814 Жыл бұрын
Great video mate really well done, used to love group B it was and still is the best racing around, 👍👍👍👍
@histandard31
@histandard31 Жыл бұрын
Another amazing video! Great story telling and in depth information!
@user-qw1cf8zl2c
@user-qw1cf8zl2c Жыл бұрын
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@MarkKoolen
@MarkKoolen Жыл бұрын
Every video of group B gives a kind of the same info, but every group B video tickles me to watch them 20 times
@GxG_TM
@GxG_TM Жыл бұрын
Legends were born in group B ! Nice video !
@theotherwayofstopping4717
@theotherwayofstopping4717 Жыл бұрын
I can still remember watching these monsters flying past a young me when they came to New Zealand. Had a huge poster of the 205 T16, 704EXC75. That and the Delta S4 were my favorties.
@MultiMrMike1
@MultiMrMike1 Жыл бұрын
This feels like a very short documentary, and I love it!
@carlosmgbrunen6157
@carlosmgbrunen6157 Жыл бұрын
Group B was crazy and very dangerous, but it was awesome too! It has given us lots of iconic and spectacular images :)
@carlosmgbrunen6157
@carlosmgbrunen6157 Жыл бұрын
But yeah, banning Group B was the right decision to make.
@martabakcoding7784
@martabakcoding7784 Жыл бұрын
Why the hell they never learn anything from the Le Mans tragedy. Putting spectator like that is a guarantee for gruesome accident
@nichhodge8503
@nichhodge8503 Жыл бұрын
I’m old enough to remember watching Group B as a kid on tv. Not watched Rally since 97/98
@evo3s75
@evo3s75 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, I was always in awe seeing the Group B going through forests and mountains so insanely quick
@menno615
@menno615 Жыл бұрын
Ive spent a lot of time getting to know more about one of my passions through your videos, therefor thanks!!
@adamditch5835
@adamditch5835 Жыл бұрын
Awesome cars, drivers & noise.. The greatest era of Motorsport. I will never forget those times..
@JK-gm6kk
@JK-gm6kk Жыл бұрын
It's crazy that the co driver looked so calm, while the driver he was next to was dead. Everyone reacts differently to crisis, and he was probably in shock. I know that when I was sitting in the middle of a single cab Toyota pickup, with two friends on either side of me flipped over on a dirt road. The passenger to my right had his fingers hanging onto the doorframe, having them outside the vehicle. His fingers got all mangled, and the minute I saw them, I took off running down the road to reach the larger group of friends already at a campsite. Even though there were rudimentary cellphones, and I ran into a vehicle of friends headed to help during my run. All I could think to do was run to get help. I was 18 years old, and I remember shoveling cow dung at my moms friend's farm the following day, booze leaking from my pores. I was never happier to be shoveling excrement, and just to be alive.
@yashaglitches
@yashaglitches Жыл бұрын
Just recently discovered this channel. Definitely some great content. Much appreciated!!
@user-qw1cf8zl2c
@user-qw1cf8zl2c Жыл бұрын
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@danbarnes4069
@danbarnes4069 Жыл бұрын
Group B was probably the best rally, paired with fast jumps and no horsepower limit, it could of been long-lasting if they could fix their problems after the first crash.
@robbiemercury889
@robbiemercury889 Жыл бұрын
I just started watching your vids but I already love them😊
@5thwiseman
@5thwiseman Жыл бұрын
As far as I am concerned if anyone dies as a result of getting in front of a race car, that is natural selection at it's finest.
@harshithsadhana7475
@harshithsadhana7475 Жыл бұрын
I have seen so many people talking about the glorious group B rally. This version of this group B rally is new. How FIA ignored drivers and team's plea for better conditions for rallying. Thanks albon
@hephaestus1708
@hephaestus1708 Жыл бұрын
Always had a dubbel feeling about Group B. On the one hand you don't want anyone to get hurt but at the same time that extreme risk is what made Group B so awesome... also no one forced anyone to get behind the wheel or stand next to the course so thats also one way to look at it.
@zedballs
@zedballs Жыл бұрын
Well... the spectators part is sort of arguable, if the organisers are selling an unlimited number of tickets, far beyond the capacity of the course, it gets iffy. The drivers I totally agree with you, and I'm glad we still have IoM and just road racing in general in bikes.
@PJ-hi1gz
@PJ-hi1gz Жыл бұрын
@@zedballs And I would say on behalf of the drivers, if driving is your profession and your employer wanted to race Group B, you had to race group B
@Eventual-Visitor
@Eventual-Visitor Жыл бұрын
@@zedballs What do you mean selling tickets? Group B rally was free to watch live, hence the sea of people freaking out watching those monsters roaring through slim roads at break neck speed and power, the closest the better.
@corail53
@corail53 Жыл бұрын
@@zedballs No one was selling tickets to rally back then.
@HarrisChoudhry
@HarrisChoudhry 10 ай бұрын
I agree. This was all voluntary, everyone knew the risks. It should've gone on.
@paperclihp3588
@paperclihp3588 Жыл бұрын
I am trying to get into the history of rally and this video is amazing
@xanderyesilirmak956
@xanderyesilirmak956 Жыл бұрын
Love the vid. Could we please have metric units too in the future?
@romainlavoie1526
@romainlavoie1526 Жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary and I agree , If only management would have paid close attention to the drivers recommendations - perhaps Group B would still exist !
@pietrobombieri
@pietrobombieri Жыл бұрын
This era of rallying was just crazy. But it remains in every petrolhead's heart❤
@zhe8450
@zhe8450 Жыл бұрын
albon always pushes out good videos
@rickreese537
@rickreese537 Жыл бұрын
Group b racing back in the day looks insane
@fufu5068
@fufu5068 Жыл бұрын
Bought a steering wheel to play rally games coz it looks cool in those great Dirt videos. I quit on the first corner lol.
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@user-qw1cf8zl2c Жыл бұрын
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@benjishahaf5414
@benjishahaf5414 Жыл бұрын
Group B was the most intriguing rally group to ever race, and I would’ve loved to see more safety measures be put in place to continue the races.
@blacksheepdetecting
@blacksheepdetecting Жыл бұрын
Great video surprised you didn't feature the metro 6R4 .a group B monster.
@paultaylor5502
@paultaylor5502 Жыл бұрын
Current WRC cars are now 5 seconds a mile quicker than group B that is to be expected. Spectator accidents are now very rare because crowd control is now marshalled properly. The biggest issue with Group B was the difficulty driving them, they were hard work. Don't forget and this is notable, Santos who went off in the RS200 in Portugal was an average driver with a wealthy team owner, he went from a 240 hp BDA mk2 escort to a 430 hp RS200 overnight. By the way the E2 S1 quattro was officially quoted at 444 hp but it was always the most powerful at 550 hp for the Monte and Portugal in 1986. Good video with some slightly embellished data. Ex DSM employee
@markomarin4778
@markomarin4778 3 ай бұрын
And group b were manuals with clutch, today we have sequential transmission, clutch only used for launch at start
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